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Furness Show 12-10: Stewart Mandel, Luke Falk and Mike Holmgren · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 3: Let's get things started right away with Stuart Mandel from
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  Speaker 3: The Athletic All Things College Football the Audible podcast as well,
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  Speaker 3: and Stu has the dust settled yet on what all
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  Speaker 3: happened on Sunday with the revealing of the college football
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  Speaker 3: playoff bracket and the twelve teams in there as your
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  Speaker 3: life settled down yet.
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  Speaker 4: I think a little bit finally today. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: this has been a bit of an extended cycle because
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  Speaker 4: we moved from the everybody's angry, which happens every year,
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  Speaker 4: you know, is to now the Notre Dame ad going
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  Speaker 4: score shirt on the ACC big soft mission of Greg
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  Speaker 4: Yormark going in on him like it's just taken on
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  Speaker 4: new legs.
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  Speaker 3: Would in Stuart Mandel's opinion, did they get the right
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  Speaker 3: twelve teams in?
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  Speaker 4: I think that that it's a perfectly defensible position that
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  Speaker 4: they ended up at. The problem was the process that
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  Speaker 4: got there. You know, I've been saying for quite some
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  Speaker 4: time those weekly ranking shows are very counterproductive, and I
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  Speaker 4: thought they were particularly misleading this year. You know, the
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  Speaker 4: idea that Alabama got killed in the SEC title game
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  Speaker 4: the way they did and didn't drop is really infuriating.
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  Speaker 4: But if you didn't have that show, you wouldn't know
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  Speaker 4: that they hadn't dropped, right Miami, Notre Dame. I think
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  Speaker 4: by the end that was the only the only correct
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  Speaker 4: thing to do. They were just too similar to similar resumes.
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  Speaker 4: They were right next to each other. You've got to
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  Speaker 4: honor the head to head. But because it took them
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  Speaker 4: all the way until the end to acknowledge something that
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  Speaker 4: had been the case all along, obviously Notre Dame fans
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  Speaker 4: are beside themselves.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the thing that that's hard for me
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  Speaker 3: is there there's a little bit of an inconsistency in
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  Speaker 3: the following, Like there's part of me, and this is
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  Speaker 3: just me speaking out loud, but there's part of me
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  Speaker 3: that thinks, Wow, you really should not be penalized for
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  Speaker 3: playing that additional game, that thirteenth game in the conference
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  Speaker 3: championship game, i e. Alabama. Yet at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: by playing in that thirteenth game, you can earn your
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  Speaker 3: way into the tournament as well, you know, like you're
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  Speaker 3: better off being Ole miss or Texas A and M
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  Speaker 3: and not playing in that in that thing or Oregon right,
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  Speaker 3: same thing, Like you're better off just not playing in
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  Speaker 3: it and keeping your spot. In a sense, Alabama hurt
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  Speaker 3: itself in sense, at least in the eyes of some
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  Speaker 3: didn't hurt themselves in the terms of getting knocked out,
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  Speaker 3: yet at the same time JMU and Tulane earned their
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  Speaker 3: way in into that tournament as well. So I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what the answer is. Do we think at all
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  Speaker 3: that there's ever a chance we get rid of conference
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  Speaker 3: championship games?
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  Speaker 5: Not?
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  Speaker 4: After the new re press releases came out that eighteen
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  Speaker 4: million people watched the Big Ten title game and sixteen
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  Speaker 4: points something watched the SEC championship game, Like there's just
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  Speaker 4: too much interest and too much money for them to
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  Speaker 4: go away.
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  Speaker 6: Also, conferences aren't doing a particularly good job of determining
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  Speaker 6: who should be in the.
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  Speaker 4: Conference championship games right now, right So I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how we would, you know, stop it one short. My
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  Speaker 4: thing with the with the penalizing the teams, do it,
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  Speaker 4: don't do it, I don't care, frankly, but be consistent
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  Speaker 4: about it. And so it just looks so yuh inconsistent,
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  Speaker 4: like I you know, look, everybody thinks Alabama gets special treatment.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know that you could argue anything.
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  Speaker 4: Otherwise this time. And so if you say we're not
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  Speaker 4: gonna punish Alabama for losing then SEC title game, we
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  Speaker 4: are going to drop all the other teams that lost
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  Speaker 4: in the conference title games at least one spot give
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  Speaker 4: it the appearance that Greg Saank you put in the
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  Speaker 4: call and you're not gonna you're not gonna do this, right.
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  Speaker 4: But but in terms of even if you're somebody who
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  Speaker 4: thinks that, I think it's a reasonable position to say
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  Speaker 4: why why, Like like why did Notre Dame and Miami
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  Speaker 4: move when they didn't play a game but some of
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  Speaker 4: these other teams did. We just can't unsee it.
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  Speaker 6: Committee watched that game.
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  Speaker 4: I saw them lose by three touchdowns to Georgia, and
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  Speaker 4: it didn't happen in a vacuum. I think the thing
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  Speaker 4: that bothers me about Alabama being in the playoff is
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  Speaker 4: they just haven't been a very good team for about
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  Speaker 4: a month. This didn't come out of nowhere. Their offense
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  Speaker 4: has been in decline since probably the South Carolina game
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  Speaker 4: in late October.
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  Speaker 6: So if we're trying to put.
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  Speaker 4: The ten best teams or twelve best, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: ten best largest, you can't convince me.
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  Speaker 6: They're one of them.
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  Speaker 4: And so to just ignore that result means you're also
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  Speaker 4: ignoring the larger trend to play with them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, Stuart Madiel joining us, Yeah, I agree,
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  Speaker 3: there's no perfect system. But yeah, the bias towards Alabama
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  Speaker 3: seems to be real. And then now we've got Notre
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  Speaker 3: Dame picking up their ball and going home deciding not
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  Speaker 3: to play. Everyone has an opinion on this. I think
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  Speaker 3: you've been really outspoken, and not just outspoken, but also
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  Speaker 3: I've done a good job of articulating the fact that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Bowl games still make money, like they or
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  Speaker 3: at least they still have viewership, right, they still have
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  Speaker 3: people watching them. They still have you know, at least
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  Speaker 3: a million people. It feels like, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: I think the average last year, right Stewart was for
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  Speaker 3: non college football playoff full games was over a million people,
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  Speaker 3: and like those things are still going to exist.
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  Speaker 2: So in a sense, is.
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  Speaker 4: The Notre Dame is basically opting out of the top
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  Speaker 4: parts Bowl Almost seven million people watched it last year.
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  Speaker 4: So well, you can say it's meaningless in an exhibition game,
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  Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 6: People really like watching them. Yeah, to be clear, I don't.
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  Speaker 6: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not one of the people who's saying Notre Dames players,
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  Speaker 4: you know, did something wrong or they quit and they
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  Speaker 4: took them by any of that. I do agree, it's
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  Speaker 4: a it's a.
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  Speaker 6: I sympathized with.
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  Speaker 4: The position they were in because, like like I said earlier,
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  Speaker 4: they were led to be leave for five weeks, they
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  Speaker 4: were in the playoffs, and to have that pull it
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  Speaker 4: out from under you at the last second, and then
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  Speaker 4: because of the timeline, and I think pipa backwether Ad
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  Speaker 4: explained this, like, while you're still in those very early
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  Speaker 4: moments of dealing with that pain, the you know, the
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  Speaker 4: the bole folks are calling you saying, Okay, we're ready
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  Speaker 4: to invite you to the pop starts ball are you in?
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  Speaker 4: So I'm sympathetic, but I think I think I may
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  Speaker 4: cut you off. But I think what you're getting at
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  Speaker 4: is what I wrote about, was like this could be
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  Speaker 4: a really troubling precedent for the ball system, like somebody
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  Speaker 4: that always has to be the first And if this
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  Speaker 4: is what you know, this is now an option for
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  Speaker 4: snub teams or teams that are going to have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of opt out that could end up having a
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  Speaker 4: pretty devastating effect.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I exactly, That's exactly where I was going.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Christian McCaffrey opting out the first got the
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  Speaker 3: first player to do so. Now we see other players
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  Speaker 3: opting out and things like that. You know, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's interesting because I try and maybe I do
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  Speaker 3: it too often, try try to draw a parallel between
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  Speaker 3: college basketball and college football. But you know, the bowl
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  Speaker 3: system has kind of, you know, morphed into more of
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  Speaker 3: the n I T in a sense. The difference is
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  Speaker 3: people don't watch the n I T and wait for it, Stewart,
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  Speaker 3: people don't wager.
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  Speaker 2: That much on the n I T.
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  Speaker 3: H I think I've got I have no word of
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  Speaker 3: a lie. I have four different emails sent to me
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  Speaker 3: from various people like friends and so coworkers and others
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  Speaker 3: with bull pools, right like, just like, hey, get in
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  Speaker 3: our bullpool. Our show was sponsored by Snowcalmi Casino. Guess
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  Speaker 3: what they're going to be taking a lot of juice
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  Speaker 3: on the Pop Tarts Bowl, the Alamo Bowl, the Holiday Ball, etc.
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  Speaker 2: Etc.
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  Speaker 3: Can't do the Potato Bowl, can't do the La Bowl
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  Speaker 3: because we can't bet on our own teams in our
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  Speaker 3: state at the casinos. But every other bowl will be
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  Speaker 3: bat on a wagered on which you don't have in
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  Speaker 3: the NIIT. The other thing that jumped out of me
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  Speaker 3: with the bullstew just is this talking to ex players?
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  Speaker 3: You know, We've talked to a few ex college players
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  Speaker 3: and so forth, and most of them say the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, Man, I can't even fathom bowing out of
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  Speaker 3: a bowl game, you know. And I know it was
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  Speaker 3: a quote player vote. I just wonder how much it
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  Speaker 3: was a leadership council vote. Guys that are going to
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  Speaker 3: go to the NFL and opt out anyway, and there's
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of young guys going. If I'm the third
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  Speaker 3: or four string running back at Notre Dame where they've
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  Speaker 3: had the two headed monster all year, I think I
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  Speaker 3: kind of want to play in this game. But that's
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  Speaker 3: that's where we are right now.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I wonder, you know, I said to our Note
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  Speaker 4: Dame writer Pete Sampson, we had him on the podcast
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  Speaker 4: the other day, do you think if they'd gotten like
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  Speaker 4: twenty four hours to cool off, do.
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  Speaker 2: They make things? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But what it was explained, he explained it well, is
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  Speaker 4: whether they played in the game or not, they were
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  Speaker 4: going to have a ton of opt outs. You know,
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot of NFL guys on that team, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Jeremiah Love and a whole bunch of others. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: nobody has come out and said this, but what happened
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  Speaker 4: to Flora State a couple of years ago where they
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  Speaker 4: had the devastating snug and they basically had to put
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  Speaker 4: out like their B team in the bowl game against
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  Speaker 4: Georgia who had everybody playing, and it was sixty three
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  Speaker 4: at three. You know, sometimes if there's that many opt outs,
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  Speaker 4: it's not going to be a very pleasant experience. But
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  Speaker 4: you know, the former players who talked to I assume
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  Speaker 4: we're from a previous generation, pre twelveeen CFP and where
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  Speaker 4: it was still considered an honor. And look, most people
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  Speaker 4: you talk to, they have a blast of these Bowl games.
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  Speaker 4: Most of them do a really good job of activities.
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  Speaker 4: The other thing, how is I saw Sam Schwartztein, he's
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  Speaker 4: the former Stanford player who is now involved in the
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  Speaker 4: Thursday night Amazon games on the NFL. He's like, man,
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  Speaker 4: when we used to break down practice like one, two,
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  Speaker 4: three Bowl games, I'm.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry, Bulgus.
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  Speaker 4: The good guys really wanted that Xbox or whatever they're
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  Speaker 4: going to get. Yeah, and now these guys are making
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  Speaker 4: so much money, what do they care?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly?
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  Speaker 4: The dynamics have.
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  Speaker 6: Really changed real quick.
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  Speaker 3: Before I let you go. I want to touch in
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  Speaker 3: on this. Twelve teams? Is this the impetus for sixteen?
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  Speaker 3: I saw I think it was Sankee today said something
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  Speaker 3: along the lines of, you know, do we need more
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  Speaker 3: are all the best teams in? Do we need to
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  Speaker 3: get more team just I'm paraphrasing, but is the is
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  Speaker 3: this the push this year to get to sixteen or
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  Speaker 3: do you think we're still going to be at twelve
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  Speaker 3: for the foreseeable future.
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  Speaker 4: They all want to go to sixteen, but they can't
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  Speaker 4: agree on how to do it, you know, and so
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  Speaker 4: they pushed back that deadline a couple of times. Now
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  Speaker 4: I think now it's like January twenty third. But the
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  Speaker 4: end of the day, if the TV has been twenty
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  Speaker 4: t the Big ten commissioner has been completely dug in
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  Speaker 4: on automatic birth, you know, reduce certain conference is getting
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  Speaker 4: more than others, thanky and frankly, all the other conferences
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  Speaker 4: want as few aqs as possible. And so if that
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  Speaker 4: stalemate just continues, then we just keep going with twelve
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  Speaker 4: for a while.
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  Speaker 6: Plus she's already on to twenty four.
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  Speaker 4: He's sortady trying to convince them to do twenty four.
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  Speaker 4: So I I assume we'll still be at twelve next year,
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  Speaker 4: and this whole thing will continue for another year in
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  Speaker 4: less the way this year broke causes some minds to change.
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  Speaker 2: Stuart.
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  Speaker 3: Next week we'll talk and we'll be on the eve
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  Speaker 3: or a couple of days away from the first college
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  Speaker 3: football playoff games. We'll actually talk about, wait for it,
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  Speaker 3: the games next death Thursday, and that'll be fun to
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  Speaker 3: do as well. In the meantime, tell people about the Audible.
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  Speaker 3: And everybody can read Stewart the Athletic the Athletic dot com.
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  Speaker 3: But if they haven't checked out the great podcast that
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  Speaker 3: you and Ralph and Bruce do, tell them about it if.
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  Speaker 4: You want to get a little kick out of it.
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  Speaker 6: The Audible is three days a week.
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  Speaker 4: It's on You can catch every episode on YouTube at
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  Speaker 4: Audible Show. We actually all three got together in La
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  Speaker 4: on Sunday and we're live on the air when you
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  Speaker 4: know when the bracket got unveiled. So if you want
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  Speaker 4: to hear are in the moment reaction to seeing Alabama
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  Speaker 4: pop up at nine and Miami pop up at ten,
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  Speaker 4: go check that one out.
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  Speaker 2: Great stuff. Stuart will talk to you next week. Thank you,
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  Speaker 2: my friend.
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  Speaker 6: All right, Thanks, That is Stuart.
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  Speaker 3: Mandel from The Athletic the Audible podcast as well.
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  Speaker 2: We'll take a break. Coming up next.
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  Speaker 6: train them on is the physical side, Hey, can you
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  Speaker 6: get the skills to be able to get on the
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: field right, But what keeps them on the field? Does
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: you have the ability to put it all together? What
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: it counts? Have you have the mind strength to be
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: able to piece it together. I do it like having
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: a key to the chest of everything that you work
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: so hard for. And so many people, so many athletes
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: don't train it because they don't know how to. And
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: I was fortunate enough to have psychologists when I was
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: in high school. I was a kid that lacked a
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: lot of confidence. I was a kid that really worked hard,
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: but that really didn't see any traction for me on
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: the field. And then I started working with sports psychologists
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: and he showed me, hey, if you train your mind
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: like you train your body, eventually you're going to develop strength.
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: You'll have mind strength. And that's exactly what happened, and
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: you know, them started experiencing breakthrough after breakthrough, had a
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: pretty decent career, and then I quit working on these
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: things when I got to the top, and then you know,
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: we saw how quick lights all off. So it's a
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: fun unique perspective being from somebody who really struggled mentally,
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: really struggled with performance anxiety and self doubt all that
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: stuff to them being able to get to a place
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: where I felt very self secure or felt very confident
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: that you know, very adequate in my job and who
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: I was as an individual, and then quit working on
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: those things when you get to that and then get
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: humbled very quickly. And I think people really enjoy it.
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: You know, people remember me kind of is more of
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: a stoic, robotic type guy and a player. All this
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: looks anything about that. I mean, it's that it goes deep.
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: People will get to know a whole lot more about me,
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: and I think they're going to find themselves in the
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: stories and uh and then really be able to get
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: the applicability of it, because you know, I laugh when
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: people say, hey, knowledge is power, Yes, the application knowledge
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: is power. If I know the answer cee ye, I
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: put the NFS. That does mean no good. So I
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: really strive in the book. Hey, this is the black
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: and white way to implement what I'm talking about. So yeah,
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: I think people enjoy it, and I know Kook fans
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: certainly will. They'll kind of get blasts from the past
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: with some of the things I'm talking about and.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Again it's for for everyone. Doesn't meant if you're an
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: athlete or a coach, or just a businessman or just
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: someone in trying to navigate your way through life. Is
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: that it kind of is a certain you.
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: Know, you'll exactly the primary audience is for an athlete,
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: coach and parent of an athlete, but anybody reading it
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: is going to be able to take the mess into
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: whatever arena of life that they're in. I mean, the
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: nice part is is most people in the business world
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: are most people interact with sports, they play at sports.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: They're going to be able to get the messaging and
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: then oh, you know what, this can really help me
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: with the leadership stuff with my team, my sales team.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: I've gotten reached out to by a handful of company,
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: Hey can you come stick to our selves team because
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: they see the messaging on LinkedIn, Twitter and those. It's
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: been fun for me because you know, I'll write those
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: deals and those are in the book, and then I'm seeing,
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: you know, the tremendous feedback front that of you know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: getting one point three million views on Twitter on one
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: of them, or getting five hundred thousand views and not
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: that that's everything. But to me, what that tells me
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: is this is needed. You know, people desperately need mind strength.
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: We've got more chaos going on in the world than ever.
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: What are we doing that master our inner world so
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: we can handle it all? And you could even say
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: the same thing in college athletics, there's so much going on,
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: or we're going to focus on all the things that
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: we can't control, We're going to put ourselves into vig
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: the minded box. Or are we going to look at
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: it and go, hey, how can we adapt? How can
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: we get ahead of the curb, How can we use
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: this as our advantage and really be able to carve
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: our own spot in what's going on here? So to me,
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: it's all about mind strength, having the right mentality in
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: every situation. You really set yourself up for success rather than,
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: you know, being a victim to the circumstances.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Luke Falk joining US former Washington State quarterback from our
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: NFL quarterback and of course all time leaning passer in
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: the National Football League. You know, Luke, I think one
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: of the things that that you know, I love it
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: because I think, you know, we've begun so much more
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: akin and in tune with the mental health world that.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: We live in.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, as you know, I do the
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: we do the golf from every year to help support
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Lensky's hope. And and you know that's I know, something
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: near and dear to your heart.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Uh. And so I love the premise of the book.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I love the fact that we're getting to the point
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: now in the world where we can talk more about
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: those types of things, which is which is fantastic. Let
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: me get to the other thing at hand. Washington State's
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: looking for a new football coach. You penned a long
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: letter and advocating for yourself for the job. Tell Washington
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: State fans why Luke Falk, who hasn't been a head coach,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: even at the at the high school level, hasn't been
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: a head coach, Why you're the right guy to be
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: the head coach at Washington State.
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: I appreciate it well, first and foremost, you know, with
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: the letter, I mean talk about support, I felt so
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: supported in love by all the koops out there. So
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: I just want to thank everybody for voicing their opinion
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: and their support. I mean, it really meant a lot
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: to me. The second deal is it's not the athletics
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: landscape that I grew up in and that everybody knows.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: And if we keep hiring for that old way and
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: that old model, we'll keep getting the same results that
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: we're getting right now. And so my view is, hey,
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: everybody lacks experience. It's an ever changing world that might
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: be totally different a year from today, you know, for
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: more right right now. And the people who have been
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: in the college athletic landscape the longest are probably the
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: most resistant to change. So why don't you get somebody
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: in who's going to look at things like, hey, the
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: oaquinn A's what do we need to do to moneyball
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: this thing? What do we need to do to be
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: able to iterate and see what's working and not just
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: going hey, well this is the way we've always done it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: And then from my perspective is, you know, if you
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: go and get a guy who's a vanilla hire and
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: they have success or whatever, well the first opportunity is
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: can be gone or you know when you do get
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: that higher, well, is he really going to be able
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: to spark WSU to be able to give him the
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: support that he needs. I don't think so, because I
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: think people will be skeptical of his intentions, how much
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: he cares about Wshoe. There's nobody in the running right
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: now that cares about Wshoe more than me. I mean,
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: my legacy's on the line there. So hey, take less
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: from the salary standpoint, go pour it into a great
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: coaching staff. I've put together a great staff right now.
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: I've talked to him about ninety percent are in on it,
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: and they'd be splash hires. It's not like I'm hiring
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: my buddies here. I'd be a great staff. And then hey,
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: also too, what can we do to be able to
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: pour him the players, because in this day and age
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: of college football, if you don't have have excitement from
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: the fan base, if you don't have money pooring in,
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: you're not going to have a program very long. And
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: we need to set ourselves up in a position for
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: when the next realignment happening. That we're in a prime
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: position because we're winning ball games. We've got we've got
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: great football teams, and we've got a lot of support,
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: we've got a lot of money coming in. And I
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: just think that you need somebody who cares about the place,
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: who it's not just another job for him, It's not
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: something they look at to get to the next spot.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: This is the job, you know, for Jimmy. I can't
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: fault Jimmy what he did because that was his dream job. Well,
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: this is my dream job. You know. It's the only
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: spot that my wife and I would ever get back
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: into it. You know, we got into it. And also
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: I want to create a paradigm shift when it comes
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: to college athletics and coaching. It is such a hard
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: world on parent or on families. You know, you just
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: don't see your kids, don't see your wife. It's miserable.
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: I think there's a better way to do it. I
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: think you can work efficiently. I think you can make
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: it family oriented. And I think that we'll build a
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: staff that wants to be there, that would have a
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: hard time saying, hey, yes to another job because of
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: how great the polus is, because of how great the
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: fan bases, because of their ties to Washington State. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: then also, hey, the quality of life is so much better.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: So I just I view it as we need a
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: paradigm shift. We need to go outside the box. If
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: we keep doing what everybody else is doing and keep
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: being corporate, then you know we're going to keep getting
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: the same results. But if we want to make a splash,
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: we need to view ourselves like, hey, startup, mentality, adapt, adapt, adapt,
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: be the first one to iterate, be the first one
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: to you know, easy easy. I write about that in
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: my book You know Coach Leitch, I think one of
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: the greatest things that he did is the lowest quarterbacks
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: to make audibles. Hey, we get out there, the defense
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: isn't giving us what we thought they were. And the
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: same thing happened at the University of Utah. We get
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: down as a third down, I believe. And I had
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: a certain play called and checked, a play called six seventeen, said, hey, easy, easy,
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: six seventeen. It ended up being the Pac twelve touchdown
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: passing record break through right there. And that doesn't happen
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: if you don't have the ability to audible. We need
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: to audible right now. We need to do things differently.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: By hey, iron, somebody who's outside the box and cares
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: about w SHU and and isn't afraid to play with
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: some house money and do things different to get the
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: kog's back on the on the national map.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Luke Falk joining us. The way you describe the job,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: it's interesting you use the term there that. We talked
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: to doctor Elizabeth Cantwell, our new presidents of yesterday, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: she talked she used the term start up a number
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: of times, uh, in terms of startup for the for
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: the for the New PAC twelve conference, you use the
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: same thing as a startup company. I thought the term.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: The term caught my attention. As you describe it, you
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: as a head coach would be more of a CEO
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: in in some ways, right? Is that kind of how
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: you you would envision this idea thinking outside the box.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: One hundred percent. I think that's what you have to do, uh,
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: in today's If you're running the the CEO of Cougar football,
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: That's that's how I view it. And I think that
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: you hire people who are great at what they do,
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: so they could be experts, net fills. And my job
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: is a great culture, to great vision, to create buying
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: from the players and also to do the same thing
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: with the fan base the university. And yeah, you're the CEO.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: You're the figurehead of Washington State football. And if you
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: go to the corporate route, I'm just telling you you'll
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: move slow, things won't happen. But if you're lean and mean,
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: and you make the most out of your resources and
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: you air rate it to a certain degree, right, they
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: air rate you do more with less, then I think
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: you're going to end up in a great spot where
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: you look back and you go, wow, we really changed,
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: and we really got ahead of what was going on here,
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: and we really have the stones to be able to
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: make the decision to do something different and put ourselves
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: on the map and give ourselves a chance, because I
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: think we do have a sleeping giant. We have a
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: fan base that is yearning for leadership, that is yearning
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: for somebody who gives a crap and gives it about
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: Washington State football and who wants to see you suc
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: see that guy's mean. That staff is my staff and
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: the people that I'll bring on. That's the number one
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: called it. Hey, develop young men. We're not going to
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: just do what these other programs do. Of how much
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: juice can we squeeze out of this kid here and
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: maximize him so we can win football games. No, no, we
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: want to win a lot of football games, but golly,
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: we want to develop great young men because I think
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: that is a huge responsibility of a coach and the
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: institution and college athletics as a whole, and it's something
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: that totally gets overlooked, and it won't be along with
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: winning football games, which is highly important. That's what keeps
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: people engaged. But it's not just going to be a
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: transactional relationship. I hate that crap, and I think it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: time to rather than bitch and my want to complain
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: about it, let's do something about it. And I want
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: to do something about it. I believe I'm the right
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: guy for it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Lukewalk joining us. Luke, how important is it to have
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Washington State alums on that staff?
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: I think very important. I think guys that care about
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: Washington State, who have bord blood, sweat and tears into
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: the program where it's not just a job, it's something
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: they would they wake up and they have a passion
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: about seeing the place go on the right direction. So
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: I think very important. And I also think you need.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: You can't just hire, you know, like I said, friends
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: or buddies or people who are wsue, people who might
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: not be qualified.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: You need.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: You need a great staff around you. And I've certainly
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: built that. And I think if people see if I
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: get the opportunity, they're gonna be like Wow, these are
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: These are some splash hires. These are great football coaches
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: with great character, who care about developing young men and
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: who care about Washington State athletics.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Luke fault joining us, Luke, if they came to you,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: and you know, first of all, have you talked to
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: President Cantwell or or John Harlowe, the intermedet Have you
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: heard back from them? I know that you know your
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: public push for the job has gone viral.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: In some ways. Have you heard from anybody on campus.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: I've been fortunate in us to talk to a lot
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: of people in the building. The only person I haven't
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: directly talked to is President can't Well. I'll talk to,
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: you know, people around her in that regard. And I'm
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: just hoping for an oppportunity to interview, because if I
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: get an opportunity to interview, then I think that they're
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: going to see my passion, They're going to see my vision,
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: They're going to see that, Hey, this isn't just something
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: I pulled out of the hat. This is something that
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: when I got into college coaching. You know, however, many
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: a couple of years ago, a few years ago, the
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: number one job I had in mind that my end
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: game was is I'm going to be Washington States had
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: football coach. I've got a vision board of it. I've
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: got pictures of me, you know, with the Wsue, Crimson
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: and Gray on and so it's been in the works
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: for me for a long time. And you know, just
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: I think that lightning has struck and I think the
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: time is right now. And so I love the opportunity
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: to be able to show them, Hey, this isn't just
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: something I put together. This is this is It's been
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: well thought at there. There's a great staff around me.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: We're going to have great wisdom to be able to
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: help provide some guidance and anyways, I just think it'll
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: be It'll be a great deal. And I lied. I
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: don't just want the interview, I want the job. So
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: that would be a lie.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I love that. I mean, I know
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: there's guys out there.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Would be nice to get guys like Parker Henry and
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: others on the staff that are out there working as
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: assistants in the game. If they came to you and said, hey, Looke,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: we love the passion, we love everything you're saying, we
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: love all these things. We need to go with someone
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: with experience as a head coach, but we'd like to
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: as a GM or, you know, because that's a job
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: now in college football.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: There's I mean, you dealt with gms in the NFL.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Apparently that's now a job in college sports, college athletics,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: especially college football, a GM or on the staff or
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: part of the program.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Would you be open to that?
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: My answer would be no, that's not my zone of genius.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: My zone and genius would be the man in charge.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: And part of why I want to go be the
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: head coach is I think that I can do it differently.
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: I want to be able to involve a great family
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: life that's totally been involved with what we're doing there.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: And I've got a great business, I've got a great
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: coaching practice. And to me, the only job that I
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: have on my mind is the Washington States head of
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: football coach because I wholeheartedly believe that in today's right now,
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: at this time, at this place, that I am the
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: right guy for the job. So you know, I want
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: to burn the boats and that's what I'm going for.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I love the passion.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: And you said you have a staff, You've already talked
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: to guys, you already have a group put together.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: I certainly have. I certainly have. And I had one
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: guy who you know is big name, he's won a
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: national championship. I sent it over to you know, the
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: people at Washington State, and his text to me was,
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: I've sold all teams that I'm not going to take
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: any more calls until i hear what happens at Washington State.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: And he would be a huge splash. So I'm just
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: we're waiting to be able to see. These guys are
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: in a holding pattern, but I think if we get
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: some traction, people are going to flock. I've had a
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: number of people reach out to me when when I
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: made that post, and they don't reach out if they
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: don't think that there's a shot. They don't reach out
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: if they don't think that there's a legitimate chance that's
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: going to happen. And I know it's a dark horse,
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: I know it's coming out of left field, but it's
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: the right decision in my opinion.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Right now, Well, listen to me, there's a place that
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: would be out of the box and do things that
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: would be there. No one thought Mike Leach should get
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: a job coaching football again, and lo and behold, that
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: happened with the hiring Mike Leach at Washington State University,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: and obviously the rest is history with what he accomplished
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: there with guys like you and others along the way.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Before I let you go one more time, it's the
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: holiday season. Tell people about the book if they want
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: to get a great little gift for Christmas. For folks,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: whether it be their student athlete, whether they're a coach,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: parent of an athlete, or maybe someone in the business communities.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: You mentioned you're talking to sales staffs as well, tell
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: us about the Mind Strength Playbook and where people can
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: get it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the Mind Strength Playbook is an opportunity to be
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: able to really work on your mind like you work
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: on your body. I think it's especially needed now. I
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: think you get great mind strengths, you can handle anything
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: that the extra world throws that you great for teams
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: that coaches reach out and say, Hey, this is going
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: to be our off season learning or off season book.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: What I'm trying to push right now at the universities,
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: you know, they're investing so much into mental health, and
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: they hire these great people on staff with these big salaries,
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: but there's only three of them, and how many student
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: athletes do you have. How about a book for you know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: I think there's bolt pricing. How about a book for
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: seventeen dollars And here in a couple of weeks, I'm
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: going to do an audio version too, because I know
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: these young kids love listening to the audio or the
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: podcasts and stuff. So how about invest in that and
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: then they've got a resource that they can always go
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: back to from somebody who has real life experience, not
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: just somebody who read about something in the classroom and says, hey,
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: when this happens, you should do this. No, no, I've lived it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: I've walked in their shoes, and so I think that
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: creates a lot of credibility and people have some buying
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: When I go and talk to these kids and people
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: in general, you know, there's a lot of life in there.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: So anyways, I think it's a great book. I think
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: people really enjoy it. And last I just want to
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: say about the coaching deal. Obviously, whatever direction Washing State goes,
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: I'm going to support the koops. I just want that
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: to be known. I just want no stone unturned when
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: it comes to the search and how people you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: know how I feel about it. I know a lot
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: of people reached out to me, Hey, are you serious
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: about it? I certainly am. I certainly am, and I
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: would buy in wholeheartedly. It would be kind of be
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: like walk on to a certain degree and guess what
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: I say. I found my way and I think I
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: do the same there.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you right now, I appreciate you coming
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: on today, and I've talked to doctor Can't well. I
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: don't think she's someone that thinks inside the box. So hopefully,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: if nothing else, you'll get a chance to go face
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: to face with her and John Harlow and in the
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: athletic department as they go through this process. I trust
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: that they will. I trust we'll give you that opportunity
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: and hope that happens and we'll see where it goes
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: from there. In the meantime, Luke, have a great holiday,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: go Koogs, and thanks for joining us. Thanks Ian, Luke Fall.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see what ends up happening. I just
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: looking at the text line four nine four y five one.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: There's very people have opinions, and they're very strong one
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: way or the other, like very by the way, glancing
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: over breaking news in college football before we get to
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: a break and also the Daily power Play. This comes
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: literally minutes after we finished talking to Stuart Mandel. There's
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: a new opening in college football for a very big program,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Sharon Moore, according to multiple reports, being fired by the
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: University of Michigan. So the Michigan job is now open. Wow, Wow,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: and wow, lot's going on. We'll take a break, come
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: back with more. All right, I told you ready for
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: the break. A little breaking news in college football. Man,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: why couldn't this happen like two hours ago, hour ago?
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: We had before we have Mandel to Stewart. University of
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Michigan has fired head coach Searon Moore, a statement from
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Michigan's athletic director Ward Manual. By the way, when this
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: first came out, you're like, what are you doing? Like
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: why would you do it?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Like all these jobs have been filled, the top candidates
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: are effectively gone.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Michigan's truly a blue blood program. So this is one
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: of those things I was mentioned in earlier. I'll get
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: back to that second.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Let me read.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Let me read this because it's salacious. Head football coach
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Sharon Moore has been terminated with cause, effective immediately, following
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: a university investigation. Credible evidence was found that coach More
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member. This
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: this conduct constitutes a clear violation of university policy, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: um maintains zero tolerance for such behavior. Bill Pogey has
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: been appointed head football coach in an interim capacity, effective immediately.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Inappropriate relationship with a staff member. Sharon Moore done gone,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Thanks for coming out of there at the Universe See
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: of Michigan.
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: Oh maybe they learned a little something from their state partner.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Maybe just make God that's right, Michigan State with what
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: was that dipstick's name?
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: I don't even want to say his name.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, don't say his name. I can't remember his name.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Now that's how well the predecessor to Jonathan Smith, who
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: has also been fired. Uh so Sharon Moore is out. Okay,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: whatever he did, he did, Bye, thanks for coming the thing.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I'm this is amazing. During cross talk, I was talking
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: to Mark and we're just talking about, you know, coaches
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: and leaving, and he says, you know, I know you're
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: you know, you're you're mad at Jimmy, but you know
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: he got a better job. I don't Whatever he did
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean I don't like the guy I can understand
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: why he took the job and still think he's a puke,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: like an absolute scum of the earth puke. So I
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: can I understand why he did it, but I think
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: he's a puke. But I get it. But as I
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: mentioned to Mark, you know, the interesting thing is, because
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: we all understand and we all understand how this works,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: there are very few jobs in the country that are
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: safe in terms of guys taking that job and not
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: wanting to take another.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: College football job.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Michigan might be one of those ones where you don't
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: leave that job for another job. It is a blue
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: blood program, just a couple of years removed from a
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: national championship. They are as that's as top shelf as
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: it gets. Sharon Moore being gone, that opens up really
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: the entire country unless your name is unless you're Calin
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: to board Alabama, Lane Kiffin now at LSU. I mean,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: the list is pretty damn short of guys that wouldn't
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: take that job, like really.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Short if offered.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: And now he's gone. Yeah, because when we first saw it,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: when we saw before the break, before the actual details
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: came out, I'm thinking that's crazy. Why would you do that?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Now? You should that you should have.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Done that like three weeks ago or four weeks ago
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: or a month ago or whatever, right after you know,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: right after the Ohowa State game.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: At least you know, you just do it. Then. No,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: he's gone, so.
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: Well, we'll find out more details, I'm sure.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really don't care about the details of him
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: being a you know, sketchy and in the office place.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I'm more concerned with who's going to get that job,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: because that like, they're not going to scale, They're not
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: going to just give it to Searon Morgan. And what
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I mean by that is an assistant getting bumped up
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: or something like that. That's the Michigan job.
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: That's a big deal.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: There's there's probably a lot of athletic directors across the
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: country that are sweating all of a sudden today.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Yep, it is. It is. It is spicy season.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: You were the college football So again, Sharon, we're out
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: at the University mission and.
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: We'll keep you up dated.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Mike Homegren will join us the coach come out.
• 38:58
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  Speaker 2: Huh yeah, he's forty four years old.
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• 39:32
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• 39:35
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• 39:36
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• 39:37
  Speaker 3: By the way, breaking news college football Sharn Moore, Michigan
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: head coach, out inappropriate relationship with a staff member, breaking
• 39:45
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• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Hello, sir, how are.
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: You good, buddy? How's it going?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. It's a wild day,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: wild day in sports. Sure, Searan Moore out at Michigan,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: their head coach apparently messing around inside the office.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: So he's done.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: And Philip Rivers at forty four may start for the
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Indianapolis Colts on Sunday. Mike, I will tell you this.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: This is the only thing I was on. I do
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: a weekly thing with some buddies of mine. They do
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: the host a TV slash radio show in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: A And I was on with him today and they kept,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: you know, they were referring to it, and I was
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: referring to it as man, he's forty four, he's old.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: This guy's old.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: But and then I said to those guys at the end,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: because we're all roughly the same age asgo I'd killed
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: to be forty four again, Mike, that's really not that old.
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: I was just thinking the same thing. But I got
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: to tell you a Philip Rivers story that I have. Okay,
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: when he was a freshman in college, I think he
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: went to North Did he go to North Carolina State?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I believe so, yes, yes, yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: And then so he went there. His coach there was
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: Norm Chow.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and you know Norm very well.
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and he phones me up and he goes, Mike,
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: I've got this. I've got this freshman quarterback. He's really
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: a talented guy. But his arm action its side arm
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: almost you know, I'm going to say something. Look at
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: it and tell me what we can do here. So
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: I looked at it, and yeah, he had a delivery
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: that was different. But then it's been my experience that
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: the only guy that's been ever change the delivery is
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: Aaron Rodgers. If the guy is accurate and can get
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: the ball where he's don't mess with the delivery. And
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: I told that to Norm, and clearly Philip Rivers played
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: his whole career that way. If you watch him play,
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: he's delivering the ball with a little bit of a
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: side arm motion, but he was accurate and he was good.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Mike does I guess I'm just trying to figure this out.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, it goes for a long long time, a
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: lot of levels. But let's just look at the NFL.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: How realistic is it for a guy to come in,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: whether he's thirty four or forty four, but someone who
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: has not played in the league. This is what's crazy, Mike.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: He has not played in the league since twenty twenty,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: the COVID year with no fans. Let's talk about that
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: for a second, Like, how long ago does that seem
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: right now? And he has not played in the league
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: since then, How realistic is it to think he could
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: come in and have any success at all against the
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Seattle defense.
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: I was thinking that very thing today. You know, going
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: back to twenty twenty, he hasn't been in and I'm
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: sure he's kept in shape and he worked out and stuff,
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: but it's, as you well know, it's really different. And
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: he knows that. Philip knows that. But he was he
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: was one of those guys, you know. I got to
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: meet him a little bit and talk to him over
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: the years. He just loves it. He loves it, and
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: if there's any anyone phones him up, he's going to play.
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: But how realistic is it? I worry him getting hurt.
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: I really I think it's really a long shot, because
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: if you just don't shut down for five years and
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: then step on the field and shoot lights out again,
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: I don't think I've never seen it happen. I don't
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: think he's ever happened. So I wish him well if
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: they doubt if they do play him, I hope he's
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: you know, it doesn't get hurt and he does okay,
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: But I think it's a long shot. Me and I
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: really do.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I was just thinking the end
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: of part of like everything as you age changes, and
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: you know, one of the like one of the things
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: is mobility, right, your quickness isn't what it used to be.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I got it. I have to think your arm strength
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: isn't what it was.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just trying to think, how in the
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: world could a guy who hasn't thrown a football on
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: a regular basis in six years, five years, and and
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: and already was already you know, he was thirty nine
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: right when he when he left. How can that guy
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: have any arm strength, Like, let's just say this, even
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: average NFL arm strength at this age, Like you don't.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Just the other thing is like like it's like baseball,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: isn't it, Mike. You don't just come in and start
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: chucking at one hundred miles an hour.
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: No, you don't. And you know, I'm I'm living proof.
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: Of course, I'm a little older than you are, just
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: a little, So let's let's put that on the table
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: just a little. But things start as you get older,
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: things start to ache, and particularly if you played the game,
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: if you played the game, I had players come and
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: visit me, not even this five years after a little
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: even shorter distances, and I go, how's it going. It's
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: tough to get out of it, or it's just you know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: and it just catches up with you, and I just
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: you're right. He the velocity which he will need if
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: he were to play. He got to do those things,
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: and I just I don't get it. Now. They don't
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: have any choice, all their guys, they don't have any quarterbacks,
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: so they had to do something. And I guess because
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: of his connection with the head coach, they thought this
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: might be, this might work, And like I said, it
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: would really be quite a story if it did work.
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: But oh my goodness, I think it's going to be tough.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Leonard was banged up, has knee banged up on
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: the same day, but as he is, he'son any injury
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: to Daniel Jones. I think Leonard looks like he's gonna
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: to be okay. But the boy, they seem to be
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: intent I going down this path, Mike. Let's just go
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: back to the bigger picture. We've talked about this a
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: number of times, and I think this goes back. This
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: is this would be like Mike Hoger was sitting in
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: the in the you know committee meetings and the competition
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: committee meetings next year. This is what you're gonna bring
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: up again. Isn't this exactly why two things? One you
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: need to draft quarterbacks every year, but two you need
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: to have at least three, if not four, quarterbacks are
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: hunt on your roster at all times.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: I believe that. I've always believed that, and that was
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: a battle I fought for a long time because there
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: are people who didn't want to do that when I
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: was coaching. In fact, they didn't do it, yep. And
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: so but you have to have you know, if you
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: let me say this. You're playing a game and you
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: don't have a quarterback, you lose it. You lose a tackle,
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: you lose a receiver. Okay, those are all hard. But
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: if you lose the quarterback, we saw it last week
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: with Minnesota m H. You know, and you can't. You
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: have no chance if you have a backup. This's been
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: with you, maybe you know, if he has a good game,
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: you go down to the third one, very very difficult.
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: And if you have to go any farther then that
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna work.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: The National Hockey League, the NHL next year is going
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: to do something with the new coloctive Parting Agreement that
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: they're going to And I like this, and I think
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: it applies to the quarterback in football too, And I'm
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: wondering if you think this would ever something similar could
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: ever be passed with a third quarterback next year in
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: the NHL, every team is going to be allowed to
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: carry three goalies, but goalie number three won't count in
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: the NHL. Like the NFL, Mike has a hard salary cap.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: It's not the NBA salary cap where you can manipulate
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: it and all that kind of well for the most part. Right,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: So it's they that third goalie will not count against
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: your salary cap. He will that not counting against your
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: roster size, but he will be able to practice, be
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: with the team, travel with the team. So if a
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: guy gets hurt or guys banged up, or a guy sick,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: you don't have to use They call it emergency the
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: EBUG emergency backup goaltender.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: They have those. Every building has one.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Like if I go to the game tonight, look over
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: the press box down the very far left of the
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: press box, there's a guy that he sits there and
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: if a goalie gets hurt and can't return, then he
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: goes and gets in the other locker room with his gear,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: and if something happens to the backup, he goes in.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: That's that's how it works. But next year they're going
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: to have three on every roster. Could just see the
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: NFL ever saying, all right, listen, your third quarter Jalen Milrow,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: for example, doesn't count against your fifty three man roster
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: and doesn't count in the salary cap, but he's on
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: your team and he's there as a third quarterback. Would
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: the NFL ever be open to something like that.
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: I think they.
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: I think they absolutely would, particularly after what's happened now.
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: They could use this as a perfect example, or Minnesota
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: situation as a perfect example, you know. And and that's
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: what happens in those meetings. Something has to happen and
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: that dramatically go oh okay, we've been talking about this.
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: Now it finally happened. Now it's time to do something.
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: And that's typically how things worked in the league when
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: I was there, and so this would be a perfect time. Well,
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: you know what, it would surprise me if he played, Honestly,
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: the more I think about it. But if he were
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: to play and then get hurt, say, or something should happen.
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: The league doesn't want that. They don't they don't want that.
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: I don't believe. And so you know, now, is it
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: be a good time to do it?
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, A hundred person agree.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, while we're doing this, while we're trying to
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: fix the problems in the National Football League, let me
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: throw another one at you.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: That would be this.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: So the NFL and NFL officials, they're the NFL officials
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: bargain or CBA ends in May May thirty first, and
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: they're talking about some of the things they're going to
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: do with the with the officials and how they're going
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: to change things or what they might change, et cetera.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: You know my friend Hugh Millen, right, you've talked to
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Humilan before. Good guy, really good dude. Yeah, yeah, he's
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I love this term. I just I absolutely goat hurterers, right,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: goat hurterers. I think that's what he.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Calls these guys.
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: That's right, because they're passionate.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, because they don't have that. They have full time
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: jobs and then on the weekend they're to go officiate
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: the most expensive, most lucrative, biggest league in our country,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: the National Football League. Mike, when can we get full
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: time officials in the NFL?
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: You know, they've been talking about that.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: That was a heavy side, by the way, that was
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: a really heavy side. That was that was a significant
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: heavy side right there.
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: No, I again, you sit on those committees like I did,
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: and you talk about the same thing just about every year,
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: and then it then it falls apart for some reason,
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: either the owners, they're the commissioner or somebody and it
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: reaches beyond what the coaches are committee might want. And yeah,
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: it comes up every year, every year, about the officials
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: and why it hasn't happened. I don't know, because in
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: my opinion, I you know, you and I have a
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: little sparring match for this on occasion. But lately this season,
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: I'm watching the games and I'm seeing stuff, and it's
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: either getting called or not getting called, or getting called
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: too much or whatever. It just seems very very inconsistent.
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: And now is the time, like I said with the
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: other thing, you know, with the three man three quarterbacks,
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: now is the time to take a serious on a
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: little look, a serious look at something with the officials.
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: That's one man's opinion. It's more than I think. I'm
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: not alone on that.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: What's been the resistance? I mean, I do believe helped
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: me out here. I do believe that the owners of
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: the NFL do have the financial wherewithal to do such
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: a thing. I would think, yeah, well, what's been what's
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: been the resistance, what's been the pushback over all these years?
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: I know they don't. They don't want to. They don't
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: want to dive deeply into that. They don't want to.
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: They don't want to imply that the guys working right
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: now aren't aren't good, aren't doing it well enough, right, you.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Know, okay and okay, yeah.
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: You know, they don't they don't want to admit that.
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: They don't want to admit that they've had twenty years
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: of ah, you know, you've been screwing it up for
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: twenty years. Now you're going to do it. Okay. They
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: don't want to admit that. So that that's that's one
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: of the reasons I think it doesn't happen.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: That makes actually that that's that's the only thing that
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: would make sense, is the inability to check the ego
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: at the door and say, you know what, this this
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: just isn't working anymore. Let's do it better. Like these
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: guys are fought like. That's because that's what they affect.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: We'd be saying, well, all the criticism over all those years,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: they'd have to come out and say, yeah, you know what,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: you're right, let's let's take that next step and make
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: them full time. And apparently that's that's going to in
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: the way of what should be happened.
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: That sounds like you do you remember, well, of course
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: you do art.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Deal, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, Well.
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: He wrote he was writing a book. I think he
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: phoned me up. This is years ago. He phoned me
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: up and he goes, can you tell me some things
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: that happened in games with officials that I can put
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: in the book? I said, absolutely, How much time you have?
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: You know? Was one of the classics was I was
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: playing Andy Reid and the incomplete pass right in front
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: of me. The guy dropped the ball right in front
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: of me, and he was on the other side of
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: the field. So he challenged the play and they gave him.
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: They gave us said no, no, we'll change it. It's
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: a completion. I said. I called the guy over. I said,
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: it was right in front of me, he dropped the ball.
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: How could it be a completion? So anyway, game goes
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: on the next day, Mike Perero was in charge, phones
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: me and I said, Mike, before you get going. He goes, no,
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: before I you get going. I got to tell you
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: that call. That was not They made a mistake, I said,
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: tell me about it. I was going to phone you.
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: What had happened is they looked at the film. They
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: looked at the play that was on the film, the
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: play before, which was a completed pass. They weren't looking
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: at the right play. So except I go, okay, that
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: makes me feel better, you know. Oh gee, Mike, did.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: It ever make you feel better when they admitted a mistake?
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: No?
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to I just get mad.
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: I said, thank you for telling me. But let's get
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: you know, let's get it right the first time so
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: I don't have to have a heart attack.
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Uh, my friend soft he plays a game. You can
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: only have one.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: I'm going to make you pick the you can only
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: have one of the guys that the profession that drives
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: you more crazy.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Agents are officials.
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: And you you know what, how long have we known
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: each other? Man? You love you love these hot button
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: issues with me because you know me.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Dead tie? Okay, all right, I'll go with the tie.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: I just I thought when I saw the story today
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: and it said officials collective already agreement up, I'm thinking, oh,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: this is the perfect time to do it. And guess
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: who I've got on the show today? Our friend who
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: loves talking NFL officials, Mike Holungrin. Next time, there's an
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Asian story coming up, and it'll probably be a Wednesday
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: as well, and we'll get you on.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this final thing before we leave.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: It's more football related. Uh, your friend and you read
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: scuffled along right now. His team's not doing well. And
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: and you know there's listen, they've got they've got issues.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: One of the things. And this is not me pushing
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: your hot button topic of the infamous. We're not going
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: to throw the football, We're all, we're not gonna run
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: the footba again, We're just gonna throw it. But one
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: of the Christism is not christis. One of the things
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: I've heard people talk about a lot with with the
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Chiefs is their quote inability to run the football mic
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: And we've watched enough Chief schemes. You have, I have,
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: we all have on a very you know surface. L Well,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: I'll see, listen, they don't have maybe an elite running back,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: and I know they've got some injuries on the offensive line,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: but boy, what I see a lot of times is
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: like Isaiah Pacheco or Kareem Hunt. They'll have a nice
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: game and you'll be second and three. Then they'll bust
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: it through and get a first down. They have two carries,
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: they get twelve yards out of it, and then they
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: just abandon the run, like just abandon the run. Running
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: the football. It takes patience, does it not? And how
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: difficult is that, because I think that's I think most
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: people would agree. One of the biggest problems that that
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: Andy's offense is having is not only do not have
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: maybe elite wide receivers and Kelsey's getting old, all those things,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: but but they just don't stick with the run.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: They don't run it. They're not committed.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: They'd rather go three and out with three passes than
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: running the ball three times, punting it away and resetting.
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I think I feel the same way watching him
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: play this year, and I think what could be happening
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: because partaiclo they I don't know if he got hurt
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: a little bit, but if if you're injured or you
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: got people they've had injuries up in the in front. Yeah,
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: in their offensive line. Okay, there might be reasons why
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: you kind of get away from the running game a
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: little sooner than you have to. But I don't think
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: that's not what they're going I think they're playing to Mahomes.
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: I think he is in their mind. He is in
• 57:17
  Speaker 7: the play caller's mind all the time, and you can't
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: really argue with that. I don't suppose, but I think
• 57:23
  Speaker 7: that's what happens more than anything else, because Aulin you know,
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: he was an offensive lineman himself, right, and then he
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: coached tight ends, he coached offensive line, and so offensive
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: linemen like to run the ball. They like to run
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: the ball and found it and so no, I think
• 57:40
  Speaker 7: that that's the only thing I can think of, quite honestly.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think it has to be what we've
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: talked about PLAYCLLL before. It has to be won the
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: hardest thames with play clong, Like just you feel like,
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: what's the what's that fine line between banging your head
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: against the wall or banging into the line of scrimmage
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: and nothing happening, and also knowing at the same time
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: it's going to probably come through, right at some point,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: it's gonna bust through. But it's almost like, you know,
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: like you're you're chipping away at concrete, right, Like sometimes
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: it just takes a while to get to that point.
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: That's exactly right. And you know what I mean. I
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: go back to when we went to the Super Bowl
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: that year, and you know, you teach me about it.
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: I like to throw the ball. That's I wanted to
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: throw the ball and do it well. But we also
• 58:20
  Speaker 7: had a very very good rushing attack and it was
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: very balanced, and I think to get the most out
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: of your team and give yourself the best chance, the
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: balance is much more important.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Well, last I checked, I believe that team, if I'm
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: not mistaken, had the MVP that year as a running
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: back on that team that went to the Super Bowl.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: So I do believe you guys did run the ball
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: enough that year. There wasn't enough.
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: There was.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: I mean he had he had almost two thousand yards.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: He had eighteen eighty so like he did.
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: He was pretty good. He was pretty good.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: You probably had Matt knocking on your door saying, hey, Mike,
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: can't we throw it some more?
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Like I want to throw it some more?
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: But do you know the other thing with real quick
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: is the offensive line. Yeah, those guys give them credit.
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Hutchinson and all those guys. They and you
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: got to have that too. To your back can be great,
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: but you got to have that offensive line.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Well you had.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: You had the best that we've ever seen in this
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: city period. End of story. And I'm not sure if
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: that'll ever change because yeah, between Walt, hutch Robbie, Chris
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Gray and uh and Locke Man those guys were they
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: were They were special.
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: They were really good.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: They they probably told you what they wanted to have happened.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Every now and then, I would assume they probably gave
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: you a couple of pieces of advice.
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: On occasion I had to tell them to go sit down,
• 59:34
  Speaker 7: and they walk. They come off the field run by me,
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: and then invariably one of them will whispers, not whisper.
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: They'd tell me something. Yeah, you get a. I said,
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: thank you, I'm calling the game.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Well, see, now that's why I'm here here for you, Mike.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: You probably miss things like that. So that's why I
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: bring up officials and agents every now and then, just
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: to just to kind.
• 59:52
  Speaker 7: Of you know, yeah, I know. I got to go
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: in and get an ice cube out of it and
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: put it on my four YOUA. Now, you know we'll get.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Through the You'll do that again tomorrow because you'll join
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  Speaker 3: Softy tomorrow afternoon. So enjoy that, my great stuff. I'll
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: talk to you next week, my friend. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: That is Mike Clumber joining us here on the Beacon
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• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: talk to. I do believe I don't really try to
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: I don't really try to get him going, but for
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: some reason, we always go down that road and it
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: ends up happening and becomes farm. Maybe I'm more, maybe
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: I'm entertained by it. I know he's not always entertained
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: by it. He thinks I'm always trying to push his buttons.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: I'm not always trying to push his buttons, just on occasion.
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• 1:00:45
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• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: kind of the warm up act because I get him
• 1:00:54
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• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: he gets softy tomorrow. But we're so lucky to have
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  Speaker 3: I think Rick new heisl do well, but he's not
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  Speaker 3: a coup Go Coups two a six was initially against Luke,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: but after listening to his passion, I believe he deserves
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: a close look and an interviewed.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 8: I think just the interview. Yeah.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: On the other side, this dude sounds like an underqualified
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: used car salesman. Oh that what the next person says,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: Dude reminds me of Doug Gottley.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 8: I don't really know. If that's positive, that's negative.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I assume so, but I fortune five.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: I hope he gets a job to watch that train
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: wreck over under eight games before he's fired. Wow, now
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: another good one. Luke is sounding very much like Frosty Western.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: He should read his books and lead into being uncommon.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Frosty was the great one, the great Frosty westering at PLU.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Make the big time where you are it's not a
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: place at state of the mind. That was kind of
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: his his mantra coaching in small college football, winning national championships, and.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: Just like coach Leach was swing your sword.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: He's like that, I'm sold. Go coach, Go coach Falk,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: go coops. Then we have this one. This dude sounds
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: like it. Ude is living in the snow gold very nice, snowglal.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: You can be a coach and make millions. You don't
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: have to sacrifice anything other coaches I've always had to sacrifice.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Sounds great, Luke.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: So yeah, mixed reviews on that. I think I did
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: have somebody text me saying I'll quit my job today. Listener,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: friend of mine, I'll quit my job today. Angle jump
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: on his staff. I don't care like so, I think
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: what you just said is true. Just get him an interview.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Just get an interview President Camptwell. Apparently Kirby Moore is
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: there today talking to Washington State, as Greg Woods reported
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: from The Spokesman Review.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's see, let me get.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 8: There's there's a couple.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: There was one from Jeremy Jeremy which I appreciated on HomeGrid.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: Home HomeGrid is the best on all shows. I hope
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: he's still listening to hear that.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: He's walking over his freezer to get an ice cube.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 8: To put on his head right now, see and eating
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 8: them up.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Let's see.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: Dang it, Jess be me by one second at holmegrin
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: side was one of the biggest shocky size I've ever
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: heard since he left for Denver.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: Haha.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: It was very very shocky, like I haven't heard home
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: do me that. He's never really given me the big
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: side before. That was a pretty heavy show.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: I was.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: That was the longest It was like it again and out,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: like he had to take time to inhale as much
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: as he wanted to exhale.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that was. That was pretty good.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: We love Mike obviously, but you know, I think I
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: think one of the things with him is that you
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: can get him going on certain things. And I love
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: his passion for not the officials agents. I love his
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: passion for the quarterback situation. And that's why that's why
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: we kind of led with that today because I think
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: it's a problem in the NFL when you have.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: It.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: It just can't be good for anything or anybody in
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: the league to have a forty four year old that
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: hasn't played in five years come off the street and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: play quarterback in the NFL game. I don't care how
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: good Philip Rivers is or more appropriately was past ten.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Like I mentioned to Mike, and I think this is true.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: This would be a Hugh mill In question. You if
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: you're listening, text me and I get by the way,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: he if you are listening text came in. I don't
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: think those guys read it. It came in after when our
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: show started about the conversation with Fain and Holmegun yesterday,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: but demon Williams and how deep his drops were, and
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: the person said that how much he appreciated Hugh's insight,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: that's why he likes listening to Hugh.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: And it's one of those things. Now I'll let you
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: in on something. I know. Hugh talked to my son
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: last night.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: There was a conversation about how far I think it
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: was the depth of a drop back that an offensive
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: lineman likes. Because Hugh called and Keifer went upstairs and
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know how that they had a long conversation
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: about it. I love that, but I love you know.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: And actually I did talk to my son later and
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: he's like that was a ton of fun, Like he
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: was all excited, like this is he goes, I love
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: talking ball, and like he hadn't talked to Hugh on
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: the phone before and had a blast talking about it,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: and so yes, So Hugh, if you're listening, here's my
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: next question. Is it like baseball at all? Because there's
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: no way you're coming. You're not gonna go get who's
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: been rich. Felix Hernandez is coming in off the street
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna pitch for the Mariners tomorrow because they're down.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: They don't have a starting pitcher, and you're gonna expect
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: Felix to amp up and throw full speed and with
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: full velocity whatever he's got left. I know it's not
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent of the same thing, but you're still
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: throwing something a football like, how can that be? How
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: can he be ready to throw football at NFL level?
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: Makes no sense?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Does it?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: Well, I I think, but I learned from coach also
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: is that he was just worried about him getting hurt.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: That is the biggest thing I did not think about
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: the years he has been out the Philip Rivers of
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: college football, right, And that was another text that came in,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: was just about that.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: And I.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no guarantee playing full time wages will and
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: sure the rep's get all the calls right one hundred percent.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: What doesn't matter.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Well, full time officials in baseball football or baseball, NBA, NHL,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: and they don't get all the calls right. But at
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: least you have given yourself the best opportunity to have
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: the best possible level of officiating. If that's all they're doing,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: that's their full time job. If the quarterback situation says
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: the two six did not get addressed in the San
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: Francisco Philadelphia playoff game when perty had to play with
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: one arm, why would it now? Very good point, Well,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: if Philip Rivers gets annihilated, hurt whatever, which nobody wants
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: to see, then maybe.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: That will happen along the way.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: Some more stuff about the Cougar football search. Rick new
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: Huigs will be the best choice for Wazoo.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: It'll be interesting. I'm gonna see him this weekend, by
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: the way, I'll get some.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Deets knowing Luke and his pastor for car Cougar FOOTBA
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: will be awesome. Concerns though, Rick new Heiesel and his
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: son coming in for forty five year period would really
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: propel us another level, even though we are big boy
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Brando Koogs.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: I think you were doing a voice text. But yet
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: new Heisel and his son.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: You know, we have a precedent for that, and that
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: would be Dick Bennett Tony Bennett when they brought them in.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: But that Dick wasn't fifteen years removed from coaching college basketball.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: He was coming off a recent NCAA tournament adherance with
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: Wisconsin Green Bay. I'm not mistaken. So it's a little different.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: That was Jim Sturk that hired him, by the way, too,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: So I don't know. We'll see okay.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: Uh, I was like, don't read that one?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Which one did not read?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: Which?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I saw one.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: Okay, I got you, I got you, Yeah, I got you.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: Rivers has a ton of kids to throw too.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's full of the throwing full velossity
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: do either his great child or to his kids.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: But thirty four year old grandfather, I don't meet a
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: lot of those.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: Whatever he's getting paid, I bet I go out and
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: get sacked ten times too.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's true.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: I mean I don't think this is an indictment on
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: philipp that's easiest, say, yeah, that's the easiest.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Say.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Then you're standing out there on the field. You look
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: up and big Cat's coming your way. Bira Murphy's coming
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: your way, Shann's coming your way, DeMarcus Lawrence is coming
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: your way.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, even Warry's gonna blitz. Yeah that really you
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: really said you could handle that.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: And nobody can handle that off the street stop it.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, you fall down in a fetal position.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: Well I would definitely uh this one you're not going
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: to read because it's complimentary to you, Iana. I heard
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: you called the cracking game the other night a great job.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: My question is how do you learn all those names
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: so quickly?
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Not quickly?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 8: He actually works a lot.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Some people have a photographic memory. Foreslyn has that. Yeah,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: I don't John also calls games probably on average five
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: out of seven nights a week because he does the
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: national stuff for T and T and also UH Prime
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: out of Canada. But I watched what I do is
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: my preps pretty simple. I watched the other team play
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: a bunch of times like they I'll watch a replay.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: I watched I think four Minnesota Wild games over the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: course of the six or seven days leading up to
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: our game with them on Monday, and do it with
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: a roster and just repetition and the way you go
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: and that's it.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I appreciate it. I appreciate the compliment.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: I think, yeah, it does.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I go through the same thing,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: like pronunciations and everything. I talked to sports information directors
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: communication directors for professional teams can probably help in that.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: But you know, FORESLN, because of the national scale, gets
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: to see many more teams.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: If I ask john if I say to Johnny right now,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: who's twenty four on Minnesota, just like that, he zach
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Pagochi like he was just fin just fine, it'd be
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: simple as that.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: He's got and he's also a skill.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: He's a skill, and he's he calls a better game
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: than anybody in the league right now. And it's awesome
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: to have a chance every now and then to stand
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: in that seat or standing his his press blocks up there.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: National Game tonight, by the way on TNT for us. Okay,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: we'll take a break, come back soft, he's next. Al Right,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: he's back. Nave SALTI maler. Do you have a moral
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: clause in your contract?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 10: Moral turpitude clause? Do you have one of those we
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 10: define moral turpitude. I mean, let's just get into this
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 10: and discuss what exactly we're talking about in detail.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: We were talking about this off the air in the morning.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: I think about it.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: I think there is something in there, but it doesn't,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: you know, specify. I don't know, you know, secretaries or
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: co workers or members. What if you're just a creep,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: they can fire you. Well, I will be totally honest
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: with you. I I married the promotion as directory you did.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, there's no way we could have that.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: About GM's office here, well.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 10: Back in the day, yeah, back in the day, we
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 10: had multiple inner office romances at one time, a lot
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 10: lot going on.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: I got here towards the tail end of that, but
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: I do remember some and one of them.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean I was one. You had Sarah Dickinson
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 10: and Kirk Vokes. Uh, you had Mark and Jenny, right,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 10: you had Eric Powers and Jody Fraser.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: But what's what is and everybody got married? What's That's
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: the thing. This wasn't like me in the parking garage.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: This was if they get somebody gets married.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 10: What if you're saying, if he left his wife, because
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 10: he's married, right, if he left his wife and he
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 10: and he and he hooked up with this paid shiver
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 10: gal thirty two years old.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: That's the gal that's being reported.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: By the way, I'm stunned that you've already done the research.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: It's all over Twitter. What are you talking about?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: Man?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: It comes to you.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 10: What research is there to do? It's right in front
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 10: of your face. Away just because you didn't know. Don't
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 10: get mad at me. But this Paige Shiver, she's thirty two. Yeah,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 10: look her up page p ai Ge Shiver. I know
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 10: Jess is looking her up right now. I can see
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 10: him moving your keyboard. By the way, I can see
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 10: you on your camera back there. I'm watching you. There's
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 10: a camera on you anyway. Apparently the uh well, yeah,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 10: I mean, are you kidding me. The story is that
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 10: she got pregnant and he paid for her abortion. That's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 10: all over Twitter as well. A lot of reports about
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 10: that out there. So do you think they just want
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 10: to get rid of the guy. I think they got
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 10: to be a part of it. I think they absolutely
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 10: eighteen and eight at Michigan, you saw what he's done
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 10: the last couple of years. Kind of feel bad for
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 10: the guy. You're replacing the legend who won a national championship,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 10: to replace it.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: Like Kaylin de boor at Alabama with Nick Saban.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 10: So you know, Sharon Moore probably put in a pretty
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 10: tough spot to replace Jim.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: Harbaugh, who is being rumored out there.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 10: Well, I tell you what, man, we'll talk about this
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 10: coming up at three o'clock. The first name that came
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 10: to my mind was John Harbaugh was Jim's brother, because
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 10: I know that things are kind of falling apart in Baltimore.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: He's been there for a long time.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 10: I don't know about Jim's relationship with the Wolverines and
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 10: if that would preclude his brother from going there. Things
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 10: did not end well as you know with him in Michigan.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 10: His name is out there, Kalin's name is obviously out there,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 10: and then I'll tell you just you know what, I'll
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 10: tell Dick at three o'clock.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: He's in getting his holiday massage right now.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 10: I just called my buddy Rico Beard in Detroit and
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 10: I said, who are they going after? And the first
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 10: words out of his mouth were your guy, as in
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 10: Jedfish who was there for two years from twenty fifteen
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 10: to twenty sixteen. So I'm not saying Jed's leaving you,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 10: dub from Michigan. I'm not saying that Michigan wants to
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 10: hire Jedfish as their number one option. But Penn State,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 10: you may have noticed, had to go about five six
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 10: deep on their list before they got to Matt Campbell
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 10: and hired him. Okay, now a little bit of a
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 10: different situation now at Michigan caring a guy who's going
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 10: to replace the dude that replaced the dude right.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: You're talking about the frilled right.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 10: A lot of coaches were kind of turned off by
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 10: the way James Franklin got treated by Penn State with
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 10: his record getting whacked by them, So maybe not as
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 10: attractive a gig for them as the Michigan job is
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 10: right now. But I mean we know new Heizel wants
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 10: back in the game. I don't think Michigan would go
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 10: after him. I know he's looking at Wazoo, but that
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 10: seems like kind of a pipe dream.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Now is the days go by?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 10: I just think the idea on a big name out
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 10: there right, there's not the idea of Jetfish taking that
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 10: gig is.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: It's not a zero for me, not a zero at all,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: not even close to a zero. So we'll see. We
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: might be both looking for new coaches.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: But at least unlike the state of Michigan, both of
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: the top schools in our state didn't have two coaches
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: both fired for costs.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Well how many? How many coaches?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 10: So you had you had Rolovich, and then you had
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 10: uh Dickert, and then you had Jimmy. Talk about it,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 10: so what year was Rollovich's last year? By the way,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 10: COVID year was so twenty twenty. You're gonna have four
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 10: coaches in six seven years?
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Is that correct?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 10: And we're gonna have Jimmy in twenty twenty, the bore
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 10: in twenty two and twenty three, and now Jed. That's
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 10: seven coaches man minimum, seven coaches combined between our two schools.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: But again about not fired for cause.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: No, unlike the state of Michigan, not stooping a staff
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  Speaker 3: member creeps in Michigan, it just creeps.
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  Speaker 2: Least Land sing with melt Tucker and now Sharon Moore.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, you know what if you lived in Michigan,
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  Speaker 10: you know, options.
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  Speaker 2: Are limited, you know, all right, So outside Jim Mom's
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  Speaker 2: from Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Okay, so outside of talking about Jed
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  Speaker 3: Fish the lieutenda of the Michigan Florio will.
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  Speaker 10: Join us, Petrous will join us, Kevin Harlan will join us,
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  Speaker 10: and then Lane Lamberts.
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  Speaker 2: How about that Losers of six.
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  Speaker 7: In a row.
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  Speaker 3: He's the great La Kings Tonight, Baby, here's got a
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  Speaker 3: great term. The other day, we have too many passengers?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I love that term. Movie we have passengers here just
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  Speaker 3: kind of float along? No, sure, yeah, you would meet
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  Speaker 3: see it all right?
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  Speaker 2: For the mild mannered and marginally objectionable e inverness this
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  Speaker 2: paddle day saying so long everyone,