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#107 - Fred "Jigg" Johnson - Pugilist · The Chris and Mike Show

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What's up there, boys and girls? This is the Chris and Mike show.
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We have a super special guest today.
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We have Fred Johnson, a boxer out of Florida is actually
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coming on the show to talk all things about life and boxing and
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being a pugilist. Welcome, Fred.
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How are you? Welcome Fred, nice to meet.
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You. Nice to meet you too.
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How you? We're good.
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So just so people know, I'm in Arizona, Mikes in Illinois, and
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you're in Florida. Yes, Sir.
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Right on. How's Florida today?
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It's been raining all week off and on.
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Still warm though. Yeah, yeah.
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It's like it's the armpit of America, right?
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The humidity. Yeah.
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What part of Florida are you in? Calm out of Florida.
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It's like 40 minutes South of the Tampa.
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Still considering the Bay Area a little bit.
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OK, right where you're at. OK.
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OK. And born and born and raised in
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Florida. That's where hometown
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everything. Yes, Sir.
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Right on right on and so give us a little bit of background on
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you. You're obviously a boxer get
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litter and just so you know too, this is at the why we're doing
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this right now. We're we're we stream live on on
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YouTube, but then we'll also have we'll have we'll drop this
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whatever lineup we are and all that kind of jazz.
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So people can re watch this if they're not able to join the
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YouTube broadcast. So OK, give us a little bit
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background of who you are as far as you know, whatever we want to
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talk. We can talk about personally, we
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can talk about family life. We can talk about work life.
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We can talk about boxing. You tell us, introduce yourself,
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and we'll just go from there, man.
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Well, I'll start off by saying I'm a pro boxer, cool out of
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palm out of Florida. I'm a father of two.
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Nice. My work and mental health.
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So that's. Cool, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, I've been how long? Go ahead.
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I was going to ask you how long you been a boxer.
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Since I was 15. OK.
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And how old are you now? 36.
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Really. You don't look 36, man.
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No, I would have never. I I couldn't have no party life.
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It is a good boxer. So how so?
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So you've been training basically into the world of
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boxing for, what is that, 16 years?
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A little longer. Yeah, OK, right on man.
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And and what's, what division do you fight in?
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Well, it's a weight. OK.
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And what's your record in welterweight?
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I'm two I know as a pro right now.
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OK, now congratulations. Yeah, absolutely.
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So here's a question. How, how because we don't know,
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I don't know the in and outs of boxing, right and and the
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struggles and things like that. Like we had somebody on that
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that was knee deep into into professional wrestling and kind
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of had give us insight with that.
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So with boxing, how long were you an amateur boxer before you
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became a professional boxer? Well, I can't even count how
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many years. Really.
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I started competitive boxing at 19, but I trained since I was
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15. OK, so you have 4 years of
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training to become A to start competitive boxing at 19?
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Actually, you compete when you're ready.
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Like I was still chasing football dreams.
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Right, right, right up, man. Chase and tell me they shut the
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door. Right.
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Yeah. Man, I had to make a decision.
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There you go. So so why?
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Why is there such a long time being an amateur and and going
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into the pro level? Because I tell kids like who
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want to turn a pro on boxing, A lot of people in general, not
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just kids, you got to treat boxing and amateurs as let's
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say, pee wee football. You.
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Know. You got to learn.
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You got to learn the basics of it, and then from there it is
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high school football. OK, use that as an example.
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Then you make it to college, then to the NFL.
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It's kind of like you're saying, well, you want to build all that
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experience, as much experience as you can in the amateurs.
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Win, lose or draw right off the account before you turn on the
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probe. OK, so how many amateur fights
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have you been in? 56.
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OK. And what was your what was your
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record as an amateur? To two and four the.
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Hell. I did.
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I did underwater boxing as well too.
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Wow, what's that? Under the radar bouncing.
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Oh. OK, So what was your record on
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that? I don't know, it was like every
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week. Wow.
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Explain that. Explain that for the people.
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That don't know. Is that like, is that like
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fight? Is that like Fight Club?
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You don't talk about Fight Club. Yeah, it's basically that's what
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it is. So I'm going to get put together
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in certain nightclubs. Yeah.
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OK. Wow.
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You you still have all the gloves and stuff on.
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It's not bare knuckle or anything like that, nothing
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crazy. Well, we we had our hands
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wrapped. Even some of the shows had had
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your own. OK.
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Yeah, it was dangerous, but we made sure we did the best we
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could to stay safe. Yeah, of course.
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So how many did you get? Yeah, Go ahead, Mike.
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Sorry. Sorry, man.
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You go. Go ahead.
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Did you get paid at these fights?
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Of course. Or why else would you do them?
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Yeah, cut them. He asked.
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He you cut off Mike, say again. Oh, did you get paid at those
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fights? Or, you know, like people would
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ask, why else would you do them? Experience.
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Oh, there you go, experience. So even the amateur level, you
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don't get paid. Experience.
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OK, so no, he didn't get paid. OK, wow.
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So the so underground boxing's experience amateur, is that a
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paycheck or is that experience as well?
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Amateur boxing is legit experience.
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OK. Wow.
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Because that's certified, right? That's a certified organization
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rules, OK. That's crazy man.
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So. So 16 years until you became a
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pro? 16 years of experience but not
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making a dime from doing it. Hundreds of fights because he
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says he can count the other ones.
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Right, right. So you got to be like it.
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Like what? What 80 plus knockouts say we
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have 100 fights. You're like 80 plus knockout
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guy. See.
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That's see, so to me, that's amazing that it it took you that
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long to break into the pro level. 2017.
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Musicians, man. 2017 I originally turned pro but.
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OK. I dealt with some mental things
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after the show that I was originally supposed to be on.
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Damn falling through. I was already battling mental
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issues like prior to going into that fight and when I fight it
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didn't go through, which is like pretty much hung out the gloves
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for a little bit. Gotcha.
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I actually just got back into it last year.
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OK, OK. Like when I hung out the gloves
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I dripped it into. Actually, that's when I started
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working in mental health. OK.
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And what do you what do you do in the mental health field?
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I have background with that too. I worked.
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OK, cool. So you work like behavioral
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types type stuff like that. Yeah, but I've been, I had some
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time in that field too. So I I know what that's like for
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sure. And from now I started giving
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back, you know, coaching kids, a lot of kids.
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And I eventually ended up pro boxing coach.
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I told you Aston Muscle Gravel, that's the first pro I've
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trained. OK, right on.
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So I'm sure Mike and I both have the same question.
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What does it feel like getting hit in the face, in the nose, in
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a boxing ring? In the beginning, I'm going to
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take you in front of the beginning.
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In the beginning, Well, what the hell is that?
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You know what? I mean right, if you get popped
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the right way that's how you feel but if you in a zone and
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your adrenaline rushing it's you don't really feel it.
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Let me ask you this, did you play baseball?
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I played baseball 2 years when I was a kid.
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Did you ever get hit by the ball?
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I got nipped in the air. OK, so I got just pelted and
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like the first time it was, it took me forever to get back in
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the batter's box, right? But once somebody explains to
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you, you already know what to expect.
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It seems different after that, right?
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Is that what getting hit in the face is like repeatedly?
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You just know what's coming. Yeah, I mean the stuff you see
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coming, that's that due to less damage, it's what you don't see
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that takes us too long into the works.
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The blind side, that's that's where Mike Tyson's, you know,
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uppercut that comes out of nowhere.
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That's why he dropped people with that shit, because they
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weren't expecting it. I've been fortunate enough to
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experience that in sparring, so I won't experience that in my
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real fights. I've been parked a couple times
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in my real fights, but I really haven't been taking much
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punishment. That's good.
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Do you approach? Do you approach the when you get
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into the ring? Do you approach it more from a
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defensive standpoint, waiting for your moment to to be
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offensive and aggressive? Yeah, I'm a I'm a counter
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puncher we call. I stayed to like the art of bars
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and well, the way my close train me is hit and not get hit, you
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know? Right there's there's I.
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Got you right. And I'm I'm taking off.
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Yeah, that's there's a today would be the best approach as a
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boxer man, defensively and counter punching boxer as
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opposed to, you know, the great, late, great Muhammad Ali just
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dope on a rope. You know, that's the punishment
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you don't want to take. So growing up, did you have any
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any any boxers that you idolize that you aspire to become like?
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Well, first it was Roy Jones Junior, but I learned quick,
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like as my coach taught me a lot.
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I learned this guy breaking every single rule of boxing and
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getting away with it because because of his speed, you know
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Roy Jones is certain athletes or boxers you can't really coach.
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Just like Curry with that crazy 3 pointer.
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Right, right, right. Some things you just have.
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And join one of those guys and learning the art.
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I really watched a lot of Andre Ward, Floyd Mayweather and Penel
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Whitaker. OK, yeah, old school man.
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What about you? Consider Floyd Mayweather, the
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master of not getting hit. Yeah, that's.
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Yeah. One of the greatest?
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That's not the greatest defensive fighter of all time.
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I agree. Yeah I I would agree with that
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too 100% and that's why his fights are boring.
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You took the words right out of my mouth.
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People are going to say that his fights are boring and as a
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student, how you look at it? As a student, it's amazing.
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I agree with that for sure, Fred.
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Yes. Go ahead.
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No, I was just there, I was just reinforcing that fact.
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You're you're a student of, of the sport, you know, like you
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said, how you were coached and stuff.
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So I could see that. I could see how you would
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appreciate Mayweather's fights. And and because he was, I mean,
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to me from a, from a viewing standpoint, you know, you want
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the, you want the knockout punch.
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You want, I like say I like the lighter weight weight belts or
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weight classes just because they tend, they're more aggressive in
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the ring. There's more movement.
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I heard there's that. Yeah, right.
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Yeah, a lot more punching in the in the lighter weights.
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What's you mentioned football earlier So, so and you still
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pursuing that dream, What what are you doing with that?
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Are you trying out for teams and stuff like that?
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Oh no, that was before dripping into boxing.
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I'm still a I'm still a teenager.
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I'm glad to please. Gotcha.
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Yeah, I was playing semi pro for the brightest and Gladiators
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beta, Southwest Florida Gladiators now, but that was it,
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you know? Did you play?
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Did you play football and baseball and stuff throughout
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high school? Like I just played football in
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high school. OK.
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And certain situation with a new coach kind of really shifted my
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path into the boxing gym. OK, So what was it?
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What was it? Explain to us, give us like some
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insight of your first of your first professional fight.
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What was what was that like? I mean, the emotion, the
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adrenaline, you know, the stage, all that kind of jazz, you know,
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because you might obviously Mike and our fighters to kind of walk
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us through that journey and what it feels like to step into that
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ring knowing you're going to go toe to toe with that dude.
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After doing it so much in amateurs, I had a lot of
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experience. So with that and then dripping
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into being a coach and then going into camp, I'm going into
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camp after all of that. OK.
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I had some real hard sparring. Yeah, there's one guy in
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particular, Sonny dude who said he another pro boxer, he's from
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Avon Parkway. He was training out of Sarasota,
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FL OK, put me down a couple times.
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He really showed me, OK, this what the pros going to be like,
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you know, so. He showed you the next level.
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Yeah, basically that's what that was.
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That's what that was from there. I think the preparation that I
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went through to get ready for this fight.
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I usually think that people have butterflies and all that nervous
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stuff. I didn't like my trainer
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prepared me and I had a real good camp, so I was ready.
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OK. So would you say you were very
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centered on that night? Yes, I got yeah, I was real
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calm. But people like the way to fight
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was it was a bloodbath and people was like looking at me as
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a monster. But I I wasn't like black and
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out or angry, not once because everything was connected for me
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and where. Was this fight at?
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The van waves on the side, so the Florida.
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OK, I was right by the water. Can we, is this something we can
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we can go on YouTube and watch? Not the fight, but I could send
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you the videos. Oh, that.
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'D be cool. Yeah, I'd like to see it.
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Man, that'd be awesome. That'd be cool.
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So then this is your first professional fight we're talking
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about. Yes, Sir.
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Right. And who was that against again?
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Brian, I forgot his name. When you beat the guy, when you
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beat the guy, you don't remember the name, right?
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It's I just kicked. Brian nice guy though.
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Nice guy. I know his name was Brian.
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Get his last name. Yeah, yeah.
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So here's another, here's another.
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And Mike, feel free to chime in with all questions you have too,
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because so when you're boxing, when you step into that ring,
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it's all business, right? It's got to be business.
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You, you got your game plan, you got your everything you're
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supposed to do. Listen to your coaches all kind
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of jazz like you just kind of explained that you had your
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camp, you were ready. And so before the fight you meet
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just like weighing stuff like that, right?
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Do you really get to know the person you're going to fight or
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is more just like your opponent's gladiator style?
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And after the fights over, do you?
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You know what? I mean you crossed paths but
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you're not really finna rub elbows with your partner before
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the fight. It was actually doing some scare
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tactics trying to. Yeah.
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It was weird. Yeah, you got to, you got to do
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that Tyson Stair, right? You just want to intimidate.
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Yeah, it. It didn't work.
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It was like, I don't know if you see, like, the scary movies, you
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see, like Michael Myers and then look away and look at him again.
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He disappeared. Yeah.
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It was like stuff like that he was doing.
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OK. Oh, this really?
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That's a great description. That's funny.
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That's funny. So is it so like I know when in
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professional sports like basketball, football, baseball,
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not so much baseball, but basketball and football going
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from from collegiate level, which we can kind of call
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amateur, right, Going from amateur to pro, the speed is, is
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that much more as a pro, right? Like with football, you can have
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an amazing athlete, college football athlete, right?
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Then it comes to the pros and just falls flat because of the
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speed and the timing is so different between the two.
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Is it is? Is it the same with boxing from
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an amateur to pro level? It's actually two different
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levels and the amateurs you got novice level, which is like your
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first ten fights. That's like then you go open.
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Once you go open you fighting anybody from who had between 10
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to maybe 300 fights. Those are both sanctioned
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divisions. USA boxer Yeah, obviously you
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want to get into the way you're competing on a national level.
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Well, I just want people to understand you're fighting at a
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pro level, just a semi pro level at that point, right?
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You know, you're calling it amateur and I think that gets
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misunderstood sometimes. These are sanctioned divisions
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within the pro league. You just well, if it's like
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wider League Baseball versus pro baseball.
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Yeah, basically. It's still a pro.
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Basically when you go open you fighting guys with ton of
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experience, you you hope that you get matched with a guy who
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had somewhere around the same amount of fights as you.
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But I don't know, that way you might be finding a guy who just
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won nationals 2 years in a way on a row.
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Just fall in the Olympics, you know?
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Yeah. You can go like that when you go
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open. So when you so when you're
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openly fighting, you still had how many knockouts as an
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amateur? I had.
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When I went open, I had just two knockouts.
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I didn't know I wasn't one of those guys who lift weights.
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I was just sold out for skill. I didn't start pulling people
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down until I added strength and conditioning.
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Oh really? Yeah.
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Interesting. So, so before that, would you
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say you were more of you relied on your defensive skill set to
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wear people down? Yeah.
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I'll throw a lot of punches. OK, A.
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Lot of punches, you know, they they had a little bit of sting
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on them, but I didn't want them not to make you go to sleep.
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Gotcha. And then?
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You wore them down offensively then, OK.
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And then once you added the strength and conditioning did
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that your, your sting got a little bit more stingy, right?
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Then I I started settling down a little bit more too, like, OK,
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this feels kind of good. OK, because you had more, you
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had more power behind your punches then, so you didn't have
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to throw as many punches to have the and having a greater impact
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then? Correct.
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And when just like any sport, you got to develop into your
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grown manpower, sure. You know that didn't start
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happening for me. Talk about 2324.
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OK. What age did you go from the
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what you called the Peewee League to the Open League?
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23 I think so. So you got 23 when you went into
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the Open League and then what age was your first professional
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fight? 3035 last year wow right where
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am I? I had that gap or yeah, athletic
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boxing so. It's just what I want people to
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understand and what I'm impressed with is just, I don't
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know any other way to put it with but your stick to
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itiveness. You know, just that.
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Your tenacity to not guess, that's the word I was looking at
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for you know, I'm impressed with your tenacity to never give up
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on your dream. Yeah, because that's a long
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time. It's a long time chasing
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something and just to get, I mean, you did take some time
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off, so go ahead. Giving back, you know, it kind
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of like brought me back to the sport.
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Yeah, helping fuel. We had it, we had a gentleman on
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earlier today that his whole thing was a project finds your
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fire. And that's the basically is it
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kind of is what it sounds. It's it's, it's helping someone
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find what what they absolutely love to do in life.
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So that carries them, you know, all other aspects of the light,
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not just their thing. So obviously boxing is is
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something that you're very passionate about because you
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again, like over 16 years of your life, you've dedicated to
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the sport and you're still here talking in a very eloquent way.
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So you've obviously not been hit in the head very much.
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No, I haven't took many. I've never been cut.
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I've never been. Yeah, I've never been out.
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Never. Never broke your nose?
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I ain't. Never broke my knock.
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I would. I'm not kidding you, man.
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Now I want to see some of your fights.
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Yeah, because. That says a lot to, you know,
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Chris and I, we're not blowing smoke.
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We both love watching boxing. Yeah, yeah.
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Like we were disappointed with the Tyson and and Logan Paul
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fight. It's like, come on, man.
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Then you hear all the back nonsense that it was all you
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know. Yeah, it's pretty sweet.
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I think Tyson deserved that type of payday won last time.
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I agree 100%. We agreed on that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's actually, he was just
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in Arizona yesterday. They're instituting a thing in
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Arizona with kids and physical education.
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I didn't. I didn't dive deep into the
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story, but it was something that came across with Tyson and and
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the Arizona schools working on a physical fitness program for
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kids, which is cool. You know, it's all about me.
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Mike and I are all about giving back too.
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So the fact that you now from a coaching standpoint with your
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coaching kids and stuff like that, kind of helping them
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achieve their dreams. Yeah, a lot of them come and go,
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but a lot of kids, they come in and gym like just like me, like
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how I was. I just just a little damaged
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kid, you know, that didn't have nowhere to put that aggression
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out. Right.
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Yeah, something like boxing. Talk a little bit about that,
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Fred, that how important boxing is to kids who have no other
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choice. A lot of people don't understand
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that this probably saved your life.
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Would you not agree with that? Yeah, it definitely dropped in
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my path. I don't know where I was going
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to go, but I could tell you I didn't find out where I was
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going to go without boxing. And there's a lot of kids like
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that, right? A.
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Lot and they don't have no outlet.
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A lot of them don't even know about boxing and don't even know
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boxing is a odds now. See, that's crazy, especially in
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in, in the the time we live in with how social media is so
21:51
prevalent everywhere and you have access to everything.
21:54
It's it's taken this huge world and just shrunk it down to your
21:57
palm right where you can Google anything.
22:00
Is it, is it because they don't think it's it's it's it's a,
22:04
it's a an option because of cost or because of location or it
22:08
kind of expand a level? Because it could be cost,
22:11
location, it could be how they look like.
22:16
A lot of kids obese. So I can never do something like
22:20
that. But they don't know.
22:20
I just got to go in there and start doing it.
22:22
I can lose weight. I can get in shape.
22:24
Well, George Foreman. Yeah.
22:27
And then you got some kids who only know as far as social media
22:30
on YouTube Go, they see somebody like J Carl, like, oh, I can't
22:33
do that. You got to be rich, you know?
22:36
OK. Yeah, I get that.
22:37
I didn't think about that from that approach.
22:40
Yeah, because because the size really doesn't matter from a
22:43
boxing stack, because I mean, the Foreman, what was his name?
22:46
Butter Bean that that, you know, that hit that dude was huge,
22:49
right? Somebody like Benavidez, he was,
22:52
he just fought Canelo and he was about 15.
22:55
He was huge like butterball, right?
22:57
That's yeah. So it's it's, yeah.
23:01
Yeah, Boston, Boston do a lot of for kids, but places like
23:05
jujitsu and Maui Tai Taekwondo, those would be in the front of
23:10
the city, you know, boxing pack tucked away somewhere.
23:14
Gotcha. Because the whole M&AUFC
23:16
culture. Yeah, like Muay Thai and
23:19
Taekwondo a little bit more popular, you know, so they'll be
23:23
in a Plaza next to a Publix or something like that.
23:26
And right boxing and being warehouse somewhere where you
23:30
got to really search for there's not really an open for everybody
23:33
to know handsome boxing gym right there.
23:35
So it's almost become a second class society because of MMA.
23:41
No, I wouldn't say that. It's just boxing.
23:44
Always been tough dunks like that.
23:46
Oh, it's always been that way. OK, I didn't know that that
23:50
that's. Crazy and and you.
23:51
Got to go in the inner city to find like a.
23:53
See you do because, because I've, I've been faster with
23:56
boxing forever. And I always thought train doing
23:59
the I always thought that the training behind being a boxer
24:01
would be just an epic workout to do on a consistent basis because
24:05
it's a full body thing. Like it's, it's, it's not just
24:08
cardio, right, because the weights and the discipline and
24:10
the hand eye coordination. But you can't, I can't.
24:13
The only boxing gyms I've ever found are 45 minutes to an hour
24:17
away from me. So it's, it's, you know, it's
24:20
like, and then they open one up in, in in the East Valley where
24:24
I live. But it was for women like you.
24:28
The whole thing was catered for What?
24:29
Because I I just. Yeah, I want to do something
24:33
like that. They making to kill it.
24:35
Women are oh for those. People making box and fitness
24:38
gyms like. Absolutely because again,
24:40
there's nothing where I live right now, there's nothing.
24:42
There was one that popped up. We had a we had a guest on.
24:46
She's part owner Alicia Shields Mike of a gym called Box Out.
24:50
But everything you see on them social media wise, it's it's all
24:54
women. There's no men.
24:55
So walking in there as a guy would be awkward like, oh, which
24:58
one of you are going to fight? But I can't hit a woman.
25:02
And then those guns don't be set up like that.
25:04
Just need just fitness like Title boxing.
25:07
I don't know if you'll have that there.
25:09
Title boxing. Mayweather even drifted into the
25:12
fitness boxing germs. Well, Mayweather, if he touches,
25:16
turns to gold, you know. So how long you been married or
25:21
are you married? I'm in a relationship.
25:24
OK, OK, OK. And how old are your kids?
25:27
Oh my God, an 11 year old and a five year old should be 6 August
25:32
8th. OK, right now I have a grandson
25:34
that's 5 1/2. So I feel you.
25:35
They're they're a blast at that age.
25:37
Grandson, you look my age. Thank you.
25:41
Thank you. I just turned 55 and I've just
25:44
turned 55 in March. I'm done.
25:45
I look like I'm 36. See ya, I'm going to tell my
25:52
wife that, honey. I'm only going to be 23 and I
25:57
look like I'm 62. No, I'm just kidding.
26:01
I'll be 52 in August. It's so you have a fight coming
26:06
up, right Fred? Yeah, it's next Friday in Tampa.
26:09
OK. And who you and who you fight
26:10
next Friday in Tampa. They just replaced my opponent
26:13
it. Was because he's scared of you.
26:16
I don't want to fight. I don't want to fight action jig
26:19
man. I'm going to get my ass kicked,
26:21
right? So he balanced.
26:22
Yeah, this is Raul or something. I got to look and scare family.
26:26
So, so from a preparation standpoint, when they switch
26:29
your opponent, like do you watch film and stuff of who you're
26:33
boxing? So you kind of know they're.
26:35
Yeah. OK.
26:37
So when they switch your opponent, how does that, how
26:39
much does that mess with your training and your game plan?
26:43
Not too much. It take me in my trainer
26:46
probably like a day. Sometimes it take my trainer
26:48
like 30 minutes to figure out we need to do this that, this and
26:52
the 3rd to get a job done. Let me.
26:55
Ask you this. That's why I do a better check
26:57
man. Do you have right on?
27:02
Do you have the? Option to not fight if they do
27:05
that inside a week. Yes.
27:09
OK, so now it'd be the balls in your court.
27:11
You can say yes or no to the new opponent because.
27:14
Well, it's always in your, the thing about the probes, you can
27:18
make a decision if you're not signed with a major, a major
27:24
emotion company. I mean, sometimes you got to
27:28
trust who they put in front of you.
27:30
But I'm pretty much independent, so.
27:32
OK. I'm a part of all my decisions
27:34
that I make. Oh.
27:35
That's good. That's awesome.
27:37
Yeah, because I kind of, I don't know if this is act or not, but
27:39
it seems like Oscar De La Hoya, that kind of started that whole
27:42
trend where where you're the boxer and you can be the
27:44
promoter and and you're the, you know, the Golden Boy production.
27:47
So that way the boxer, rightfully so, especially
27:51
someone on your journey, right, almost 16 plus years, you should
27:54
get all the pieces of all the puzzle because you're the one in
27:58
there, you know? Not you, of course, because
28:00
nobody touches you, you know, but you should.
28:04
That's that's the thing, right? You should make the money, you
28:07
should reap the benefits from promotions and and management,
28:10
all that kind of jazz, because you're the product.
28:11
So why not have it all-encompassing?
28:14
You know action jig promotions, right?
28:16
Well, it's not my promotion company.
28:19
You have some promotions are pretty fair, right?
28:23
There should be a percentage of the ticket sales guarantee
28:26
purse. That's cool.
28:27
I'm good at. So when you're dealing with good
28:30
people like that, they look out for.
28:32
Is there is there still Don Kings out there in the world
28:35
that just just for lack of better term, just everywhere you
28:37
rape the boxers. They're everywhere still.
28:40
Really. Yeah, they're everywhere.
28:42
That sucks, man. And that's just that's so, so,
28:47
so a boxer latching on to someone like him.
28:49
That's just, that's just they're trying to, you know, kind of
28:51
selling their soul to get to that upper, to that next level.
28:54
And they feel like that's the only way they're going to get
28:56
there. It can be that way.
28:59
Hopefully he changed, you know? Yeah, Yeah.
29:01
Hopefully. Learn from his mistakes.
29:03
Like dead people? Yeah.
29:05
But you're saying that that kind of personality is still super
29:08
prevalent in the Boston? World they say it's like just
29:11
like the music industry like it's just Trump familiar with
29:15
that the next been staying getting milked there man.
29:18
We're going to the next like when in boxing, if you lose a
29:21
few times, it's like basically send you right back to the
29:24
bottom and a lot of promoters don't want to deal with that.
29:27
They ready to move on to the next best thing.
29:32
That sucks. So there's no, there's no they
29:34
don't, they don't back like you just talked about with music
29:36
like back 20 years ago, you invest in them in a band, you
29:39
help them grow. You, you say the, you know, the
29:41
foundations, all that kind of just now it's like, OK, I need
29:44
one song. Give me one song.
29:46
And then and then a year from now you're just done.
29:48
See you later. Bye.
29:49
As long as you win, you can make 20 sounds.
29:52
Well, it's funny that he yeah, it's funny he brings that up
29:55
because I just heard that on a podcast I was listening to that
29:58
I was unaware of that, Fred, that in the boxing world, you
30:02
cannot lose in MMA, you can lose a couple times and you can still
30:06
keep trajectorying up, right? You're on the upward path in the
30:11
boxing world. If you lose one time, you could
30:15
be done. If you lose 2 times, you're for
30:16
surely done I. Didn't depend on who you lost
30:21
against. If you lost again, it's like a
30:22
world champion, like a Canelo. You still got, you still got
30:27
levers to yeah, 'cause. You lost a world champion, It's
30:30
not like you lost to me, but. You lose against Billy Joe from
30:34
Papa John's. I don't think we could push you
30:39
out too much. I don't think, Mr. Mark, you too
30:41
good. Yeah, so when it comes to when
30:44
it comes to your fight on on what was it the 13th or 16th
30:47
the. 13th. The 13th are you the where you
30:51
at in the card is because now you're a pro.
30:53
Are you an undercard? Yeah, I'm on network.
30:56
OK. It's a it's a popularity thing
31:00
at this point. Oh OK so the more fights you do
31:03
as a pro the more popular you can become and then you start
31:07
moving? The more they can promote and
31:10
push you out in the public, that's who the crowd coming to
31:13
see most of the time. But I got a pretty good
31:15
following home. Right on, right on.
31:19
Channel 10 and Channel 8 News just did a story on me.
31:24
But I think I saw something of that when you you were in the
31:26
boxing gym. Yeah, that's awesome.
31:29
That is awesome. How many, how many, how many
31:32
sparring partners do you have when you're training for a
31:34
fight? It could be from 2, it could be
31:39
the tenant. OK, do you do you spar every
31:42
day? Tuesday and Thursdays and
31:45
Saturdays with sparring days. But I started overnight job, so
31:49
I got a right. Yeah, I do.
31:52
Different days. OK.
31:54
And the other days, what are you doing?
31:55
Just conditioning, strength work, cardio OK.
31:59
Just a lot of craft in. OK, so, so again, just so people
32:03
can wrap their head around stuff, so we're going to, we're
32:05
going to Rocky, right? The the world famous movie,
32:09
Rocky, the first one, not all the ones after the fact, like
32:11
all the training and stuff, the running and all that.
32:14
Shit's kind of real at a certain extent, right?
32:17
Yeah, it's, it's pretty much. I don't you're doing the same
32:20
thing every day. OK.
32:22
And then after that, you're doing the same thing again every
32:25
day. Every day.
32:28
But but that's the thing though, you're, you're, you have to be
32:31
in top physical condition to step to the ring, right?
32:33
Yes, Sir. That's what we did everyday.
32:36
We practiced. Yeah, Yeah.
32:38
I think that's the part that in a situation like this that
32:42
people need to understand is how many hours you put into, you
32:48
know, what do they say, 10,000 hours for the hour that they saw
32:51
you fight. You know.
32:53
You're talking pregame, the fight, after the fight.
32:56
You know people see that glory of yours for an hour, they see
33:00
an hour of your life. They don't see the 10,000 hours
33:03
that went. Into my last fight I was
33:05
training like I'd say 4 to 5 hours a day.
33:09
Wow for 2 1/2 months and it was over 4 minutes.
33:13
I stopped the second round one minute.
33:15
Did you knock him down? Yeah, yeah.
33:18
How'd that feel? How'd that feel when knocking?
33:20
Like like throwing a punch and then seeing your opponent just
33:23
drop. It was a flurry.
33:25
I threw a flurry that made him quick and I thought the referee
33:30
was going to let him get up. Yeah.
33:32
And he waved it off. OK.
33:34
I saw what I wanted to throw out, everybody wanted.
33:37
I was highlight knockouts. I saw what I wanted to throw,
33:39
but there's a freeway to fight off.
33:42
OK, right on. And so you just, and then all of
33:44
a sudden he's down. Yeah.
33:46
So, so, so you're stepping back looking at that, right.
33:49
You're still probably just dancing a little bit freaking.
33:52
Just adrenaline's going through the roof.
33:54
Are you just like in your head Like yeah man, that knocked you
33:57
on your ass? No, I stepped back Like people
34:00
thought like I stomped. Like I stomped off.
34:03
People thought like I was celebrating.
34:05
I was more disappointed because I saw the overhand right that I
34:08
wanted to throw. I wanted referee to just, you
34:12
understand, the 8 lbs and I don't get back up.
34:15
Yeah. You know about those highlight
34:17
knockouts that be viral, you know?
34:20
Well, yeah, because that's going to increase your popularity,
34:22
right? There's the other side of it
34:24
that people don't see is that disappointment on your face was
34:28
just you at war with yourself, not your opponent, right?
34:32
They thought I was celebrating when I when I started to.
34:36
Yeah, See, Chris and I will say the same thing.
34:38
It's like we'll make horrible mistakes in the middle of our
34:42
set and then we'll ask the people that see us play every
34:45
night and that's like we didn't hear anything, you know, like
34:48
the people don't understand. It's like at that level, you're
34:53
not. You're in more competition with
34:55
yourself than you even are your opponent, right?
34:58
And the people be more entertained than you realize.
35:02
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because what you, yeah, because
35:06
what you do isn't is it's entertaining for sure.
35:08
I mean, that's the whole point of it, right?
35:09
You're putting on a show. So if you ever so if you ever
35:13
had one of those those those punches thrown that just you
35:16
know, it's just you know, tree falling in the woods, just one
35:19
hit, one shot. Yeah, I had a.
35:22
And how does that feel? Because you got a little smile
35:25
when I asked that. Well, yeah, I got with him.
35:27
It felt good. I'm still remember the first
35:30
time I put somebody down on my. Punch.
35:32
Yeah, well, what kind of punch was it?
35:34
It was a body shot. OK.
35:36
Oh, really? Yeah, it was a body shot, you
35:38
know. To the ribs.
35:40
Yeah, to the oblique area. I reached down to help him up
35:45
and well, he was one of my mentors trying to Smith.
35:48
He wasn't on boxing around here. He kind of freaked out, you
35:52
know, like what you doing? We don't do that.
35:54
We don't help nobody up. We go to, you know, wait on the
35:57
ribs to do his job. That's what type of person I was
36:01
at the time. But as it start happening more I
36:04
just walk off because. You have to, right?
36:07
That day, he told me you go to the corner where in the room
36:10
that that's like in my head, like you'll see me walk off when
36:13
I drop somebody on the videos I'm seeing.
36:15
You Well, yeah, I mean, you know, most boxers aside from
36:19
some of them, the showboating ones would would like you said,
36:21
you just you drop the guy, you walk away and I I guess that's
36:25
kind of more respect for the sport, right?
36:27
Like you're not going to showboat.
36:29
Look at me. Because all it takes is one
36:30
punch, right? It's.
36:32
Yeah. It's kind of like with football.
36:34
You score, touchdown, OK, Give the ball to the referee.
36:36
Like the great ones like Barry Sanders.
36:38
Here you go. I act like Carolina before,
36:40
right? Yeah, exactly.
36:41
You've been there. This is this is who I am.
36:44
My job is to knock you on your butt.
36:45
And, you know, these days I'm more impressed with somebody who
36:48
has that class because it's so rare, you know, than somebody
36:51
that makes up some dance they do.
36:53
Yeah, I'm not as offended as everybody else at all.
36:56
That showboating. I mean, the over the top stuff I
36:59
can't stand, but now I'm so impressed when someone has what
37:03
Chris, you know, just described as the Barry Sanders approach.
37:07
Act like you've been there before.
37:09
Yes, Sir. If you're and you're going to be
37:11
there again, because that's the other thing with that, right?
37:13
You, you've been there before and you plan on being there
37:15
again and again and again. That's my point.
37:17
If you think you're that great that you have to do all that
37:19
showboating, then just don't do it at all because we're going to
37:22
see it over and over again, right?
37:24
Yeah, you never know who watching like this is time for
37:26
the place where people can't, like, be over the top when
37:29
they're celebrating. But you just want, yeah, show in
37:32
front of you just want to fight in front of probably 100 people.
37:36
There's no reason to go insane. I can see if you want like a
37:39
championship belt. Yeah.
37:42
Oh yeah. That's a whole.
37:43
Yeah, that's a different. Story exactly.
37:45
That's a different yeah. You win the belt, man.
37:48
You better be fucking celebrating.
37:49
That Yeah, If you win a world title, we better see you
37:51
standing on the top rope, Fred. Yeah.
37:56
So for your fight coming up, how do how do people watch it?
37:59
Can they watch it? Is it something you can stream
38:00
online? Is something you can TuneIn
38:02
thriller. TV it's going to be on
38:03
pay-per-view on trailer TV. I'm not sure how much OK it'll
38:07
cost, but I know you can stream it on that app.
38:09
That kind of thriller, like Michael Jackson.
38:12
Thriller TV. Thriller.
38:15
OK. A lot of musicians use that app.
38:18
OK, yeah, you have to give us, you have, have have your, your
38:21
people give us that link so we can, we can take a look at it.
38:24
Yeah, because that would be fun to watch you, man, just, you
38:27
know, to see you, you know, not now.
38:30
So Rocky never broke his nose either, right.
38:32
And then his first fight with with Apollo Creed, the first
38:34
punch. Yeah, there's a there's
38:38
definitely a lot of lessons on those movies.
38:42
Now, when you're, when you're standing toe to toe with a guy,
38:44
right, I mean, you have a certain space, right, because
38:47
the jab, the extension and stuff like that, you're not like, you
38:49
know, typical, everybody knows typically what boxers do and
38:52
things like that. When you're when you're when
38:56
you're looking at the guy like like in football, I let my son
39:00
play football and I so I was one of the coach of the time and I
39:02
would coach the, the cornerbacks, the defensive backs
39:04
and I would, you know, teach them you, you watch the waste
39:06
because the waste shows where the receivers going, things like
39:09
that. So you don't get Juke and dive
39:10
and that kind of jazz. So when you're boxing and you're
39:12
toe to toe with somebody, what do you focus on?
39:14
You focused on on his eyes. You focused kind of like the
39:17
whole picture around him. Because the speed is what always
39:20
intrigues me with that. The first thing I'm doing is I'm
39:23
checking their feet. I'm seeing it flat footed.
39:27
I'm seeing it on his toes. OK, once on their toes, they're
39:30
ready to move. The ones with flat feet, they
39:33
they're not ready to move out of the way.
39:34
I'm going to stand and bang. OK.
39:36
Yeah, some of them just flat feet.
39:37
They don't know how to stand at all.
39:40
After that I'm checking my range and like a lot of.
39:42
People. Which is why, Which is why the
39:44
jab's so important, right? The jab sizes up how?
39:47
Tall are you? Once I figure out my range, I'm
39:50
listening to my coach. OK, how tall are you?
39:54
I'm 59. OK.
39:55
And what's your weight? 154.
39:58
And what's your span? I forgot I only got those
40:02
measures like once. So here's here's a fun question.
40:06
So being 59, is it Do you prefer fighting somebody taller than
40:10
you? Your heights are shorter than
40:11
you. Everybody want to fight somebody
40:15
shorter than. OK.
40:16
And and why? Yeah, and why it's?
40:18
Easy to find your range if you know how to do that and it just
40:21
give you that confidence like you just so much bigger than
40:24
that person. OK, OK.
40:26
But for me, like fighting somebody taller, I don't get a
40:31
lot more leverage than you can, and I know I can get lower
40:34
quicker, yeah. So you can you can attack the
40:38
body easier on a taller opponent than you can on the shorter one.
40:41
Yeah, and people who are slow from underneath, those are shots
40:44
that knock you out and be explosive enough, like tank.
40:48
A lot of tank shots come from underneath.
40:51
Right. He always catches somebody on
40:53
the blind side. Yeah, yeah.
40:55
Which is what that uppercut's so good, right?
40:57
Yeah. And then when like you said,
40:58
when you do flurry, so when you're doing your combinations,
41:01
is it both hand combinations, are you focused on one side of
41:03
the body or does it depend on the opponent?
41:05
I'll mix it up. What I was going body, head,
41:08
body, head. So do you get like in baseball,
41:12
they can, they can measure the speed of the baseball right from
41:14
the pitcher to the catcher. Do they measure the speed of
41:17
your hands when you're? When you're that?
41:20
Would be pretty cool if they. Did that would be cool, right?
41:23
They don't measure the force of your punch though, right?
41:26
Yeah, well, not during the fight.
41:29
Yeah, not during I I could. Is that what you're asking for?
41:32
Is it sounds like? Yeah.
41:35
I've just it's intrigues me how fast like the the like we talked
41:38
about earlier, the lower, the lower weighted weight classes,
41:42
the lighter weight. You watch them do the speed bag,
41:44
man, it's out of control. Yes, that's what I'm talking
41:46
about. Like the speed that the that the
41:48
the lighter fighters have has always been more intriguing to
41:51
me than the heavyweights because the heavyweights tend to be
41:53
slower. You know, that's why I want to
41:54
watch him fight, because if he's never been cut, I'm interested
41:58
in skillful. You know, like, whatever
42:00
profession it is, if somebody's developed a way to do it the
42:03
right way, I want to watch you do it the right way.
42:06
Yeah, well, obviously you don't get hit a lot.
42:09
Yeah, I'll keep my hands up. Yeah, they're going to say
42:12
figure that, yeah. So you so you you wear glasses?
42:16
Do you wear contacts in the ring?
42:18
No, I can see like if I took this off, I can see you guys
42:21
pretty clear edges. OK.
42:23
Well, if I back up too far, I won't be able to read and it's
42:25
saying Chris and Mike. Oh, gotcha.
42:28
OK, So you still have perfect vision as far as being in the
42:30
ring without glasses on? OK, I do.
42:33
Gotcha. Well, I can't see nobody outside
42:36
already. Well, yeah, it doesn't matter.
42:38
You just got to see the guy in front of you, right?
42:41
I'd be in the same boat. I can still see up close without
42:43
my contacts in, but I can't see. Far away and I can hear good,
42:46
like I can make my own. I can hear my coach over
42:49
everybody. Really.
42:51
No matter how loud to get it, I can hear my coach.
42:54
Yeah, that's cool. That's kind of like you ever
42:56
seen that movie for Love of the Game?
42:57
It's a baseball movie. OK, So remember when, when, when
43:00
he when Coster's on the mound and he's like, clear the
43:02
mechanism and the entire stadium goes silent?
43:06
Isn't that Kevin? Yeah.
43:08
Yeah, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah.
43:10
So is it is it that kind of concept 'cause that that's
43:12
intrigued me when he when he did that in the in the movie, like
43:15
what if that's a legit? That's like tonal Bridger.
43:17
Yeah, so it's so that's legit. So it doesn't matter.
43:20
You can have people standing on their feet cheering like crazy,
43:22
screaming, hollering, but you just, you're so zoned in on your
43:24
coach, that's all you hear. When you say that's how you felt
43:28
in the middle of a song, you know on a good set you're not
43:31
there anymore. This is true.
43:33
Yeah. You get it.
43:33
I mean, yeah, but it's a different thing.
43:39
I'm not trying to defend myself, you know.
43:40
No, but you're doing what your skill set is at that point.
43:45
He's just, I think a lot of people would be fascinated that
43:48
he can get to that point in his head before he gets hit for
43:51
sure. Yeah, yeah, well, he doesn't get
43:52
hit. He's already explained that.
43:54
That's why he looks so pretty still.
43:56
Well, OK, so before he potentially gets it.
43:59
Right, right. So you've never been knocked
44:02
down. Where have you?
44:03
I've. Been knocked down and sparring.
44:05
Oh, and sparring, but never in an actual fight.
44:07
Never. In an actual fight, never
44:08
somewhat again. OK, then let me ask.
44:10
You this? Yeah.
44:10
No, we're not going to wait for you, dude.
44:13
In your losses, were they technical knockouts?
44:16
Were they decisions? Were they?
44:18
Not over decisions. OK.
44:20
All decisions. And all those decisions were
44:23
wrong, right? I say three of them was.
44:26
Questionable. One of them was for sure loss.
44:30
I didn't do enough. I gotcha.
44:32
OK, you. All know the one.
44:34
That's humble, man. But I started developing my
44:37
prostyle right And amateurs, they want you to shoot and Bang,
44:41
Bang, Bang, Bang. Oh, really?
44:43
They they care about who the busiest.
44:45
OK. Obviously skill play a point on
44:47
that, but when I developed a prostyle of boxing I slowed
44:51
down. Like I was more patient picking
44:53
and choosing when I want to shoot.
44:54
They don't like that in amateurs.
44:56
Now do they want you to be that way because of the entertainment
45:00
value? They don't want boring fights is
45:01
that? No, it's it's a sport who can
45:04
land the most hits and. They want you.
45:07
That's busy. That's the way their game is
45:10
designed for their score. And we turn pro like everything,
45:13
by just a business. You got to be strategic with
45:16
everything. I can see that.
45:18
What what do you have as do you have particular colors that you
45:21
that you gravitate to like, you know, like Tyson always wore the
45:24
black shorts and the white towel.
45:25
Do you have the same kind of colors you always?
45:27
Nah I'm mixing it up. I saw like red and cheetah print
45:31
or leopard paint. My first.
45:33
Fight I will baby blue and white.
45:36
My last fight and it's fighting on white wearing all white and
45:40
silver. OK, have you ever, have you ever
45:44
met any professional boxer that was just like.
45:47
Yeah, I mean Roy Jones junior as a.
45:49
Case. I was in Alabama.
45:51
Right on. And I'm in my phone and he come
45:54
in AB side locker room like you. That's pretty much unheard of
45:58
for the big guys to come to speak to the B side.
46:01
Then I was in the A side or the main Carter speed.
46:04
He came in and was like, what's up everybody?
46:06
And I'm looking at my phone and I look up and I look back at my
46:09
phone and I look up again like, oh stop, He took a picture with
46:13
us and everything. That's awesome.
46:16
That's cool man, how I love those stories.
46:19
That was what, three years ago? Right on.
46:22
Was he? Was he what you hoped he would
46:24
be as a human? For the short time of my time,
46:26
you were. With him, he is a decent dude.
46:29
OK. I've seen him at a celebrity
46:30
basketball game when I was younger, but I never met him.
46:33
He had a house here in Sarasota. OK.
46:36
At the time. OK, it's cool when you meet
46:39
somebody that you aspire to be in their their, they're not
46:43
assholes, that they're genuine humans, you know?
46:45
Yeah, you know, everybody's an asshole.
46:46
Some point in their in their in their rise because, you know,
46:49
it's just. Floyd Floyd walked right past me
46:51
one time too. Yeah, who did?
46:54
As a coach, Floyd Mayweather, and I think it's like Daytona
46:58
Beach area, he actually dapped the fighter up who I was
47:05
coaching, right with no hesitation.
47:08
Oh cool, that's cool. That's awesome.
47:11
And then did your fighter win? Oh no, he didn't win that night,
47:14
damn it. That would have been great if he
47:16
won too. They gave they he did a good job
47:20
because Floyd was going to actually sign the fighter who
47:24
fought our guy, OK? And he did enough for Floyd not
47:28
to want to sign him anymore. Wow.
47:30
Even though. We didn't win.
47:33
He gave a little upset. Gotcha, That's fair.
47:36
You know, So what do you think about the, the, the scoring in
47:39
boxing? Does it does it warrant the
47:42
decisions when it comes down to it?
47:44
Or is, you know, is it, is it popularity?
47:47
Is are they really looking at at the the punches landing?
47:51
Because I think that'd be really hard to sit there and watch.
47:54
What do you do? 10 rounds or 12 rounds?
47:56
Well that's probably 6 rounds, but my first team is 4.
47:59
OK. So from a six round standpoint,
48:01
you go to the distance, I mean are are there the judges are on
48:04
what three sides of the ring? Yes.
48:07
OK, how do they, how do they, how are they counting it?
48:10
Like is there something in their hands or something where they're
48:13
like they? Have one of those clickers.
48:15
They just got a good eye and they that's it.
48:17
They're marking it down. Whoever they feel on that round,
48:20
they it's a 10/9 like right? So that's it.
48:24
It's just naked eye. It's a judgment.
48:27
But a lot of them, before they become pro judges, they got to
48:30
go through the amateurs too. Oh, even the ribs.
48:33
They got to go through the amateurs as well.
48:35
OK, so you got to work your way up on all levels of the sports.
48:37
You're starting at the bottom and working your way all the way
48:39
up. And that's why a lot of those
48:41
judges to be old. Oh, that makes sense.
48:47
Though. Let's see that's that.
48:49
Could that be? Could be a bad thing though
48:51
because their their reaction time is is lower than it was 20
48:55
years ago. You'll be surprised though, it's
48:57
like a lot of good judges like they, you know, they've been
49:01
doing it so long when it's like second hand.
49:04
OK, OK. I can see that it becomes a
49:07
habit, right? So they're basically watching
49:09
the fight and just with their hand, they're they're making
49:11
little ticks on something. OK.
49:14
And. Then you have every now and then
49:15
you have those questionable decisions.
49:17
Yes, watching. Right.
49:20
What were you watching, man? That's the stuff that drives us
49:23
nuts as viewers. Like, you got to be kidding me
49:24
because there's some fights Mike and I have talked about and
49:26
watched recently. You know, it's like how.
49:30
Recently, there's a lot going on.
49:32
Some of those judges be hurrying boxing.
49:35
Yes, kind of like how LeBron James is destroying basketball.
49:38
Do your job. Yes, quit falling over when no
49:44
one touches you. Yes, like she's just, you know.
49:47
And there's video evidence. No total video evidence.
49:51
They made it so popular man flopping.
49:54
I think they got it, stole it from soccer and ran with it.
49:58
Yeah, because I've. Yeah, soccer has flopped too.
50:00
Good point. Yeah, yeah, but you know
50:02
flopping needs to stop. You can't flop in boxing, right?
50:04
You just can't fall to the ground.
50:06
Then you get a standing 8 count for nothing.
50:07
Yeah, that defeats the purpose of the sport.
50:09
Man changes to me and said grace was in his eye.
50:13
Look at that, duty just fell over.
50:17
That's the first day you got to go down in history as the first
50:19
bouncer to plop. True.
50:23
Story So let's talk about the day of fighting.
50:26
We got about 10 minutes left here.
50:28
So I want to kind of get into the mindset of that.
50:29
So the day, the day of the fight, what's your, what's your
50:33
routine? Because I'm assuming it's, it's
50:35
consistent, right? Because creature habit, right?
50:38
So the I mean, what's the day of a fight?
50:40
You wake up at what time and and just take us through that day
50:43
before the night of the fight. I'm waking up probably 7-8
50:47
o'clock and. OK.
50:50
I'm eating a good breakfast. What's a good breakfast?
50:54
What's a good breakfast for you on fight day?
50:56
Life, anything would lie to you. Like I'm loading on berries and
51:01
vegetables. Really.
51:03
Yeah, really loading up on them things.
51:05
OK, so why? Why loading up on vegetables and
51:08
berries as opposed to to protein?
51:10
Well, I'm really trying to rehydrate and put those fluids
51:12
back in my body first in the morning.
51:15
For the weigh in was the day before.
51:17
And we still rehydrating all the way up into that fight.
51:20
So I want to put lights in my body that morning, probably for
51:24
lunch. I have like a small chicken
51:28
pasta because my stomach. You shrink your stomach while
51:32
you're in that wood cutting process.
51:34
Yeah. I have like a small chicken
51:37
pasta and probably some broccoli.
51:39
OK. Maybe our protein shake before I
51:42
get to the venue. OK, won't eat again until after
51:46
the fight over with. But prior to that fight, we'd be
51:49
relaxed. I don't know what they'd be
51:52
saying, but I listen to opera too.
51:55
I listen to opera. Anything that keep me, you know,
51:58
mellowed out and relax. Well, I could think Opera.
52:02
Yeah, Opera. Music.
52:04
People probably think little baby on headphones or something.
52:08
Nah that's awful. I don't even know what they
52:10
saying. They just keep me.
52:13
That's. Cool though, yeah.
52:16
I thought I was the only one that had my opera sessions.
52:19
No, I yeah, I love classical music too.
52:21
I like everything, really. Except.
52:22
Except a hardcore rap. I'm just not a fan, you know?
52:25
I just. That's what people think I
52:27
listen to all the time. But I'm being ready to fight.
52:30
I'm I'm a real like I visualize a lot.
52:34
I could see that you kind of seem like somebody who would
52:37
totally zone into it and Zen and just inner peace and just calm.
52:41
You know, I I don't I don't I haven't seen you fight yet.
52:44
We're going to make that change, but I I don't imagine you going
52:46
in there like, oh, you just don't have that demeanor.
52:49
I know I could be wrong. He.
52:51
Seems very centered. He just seem, yeah, you do.
52:53
You seem very centric, very in control of who you are.
52:56
You know that's her cool. Right on.
53:00
So again, the fight is the 13th. Yeah, the 13th.
53:04
Right. And and it's a pay-per-view
53:06
event. What's the what's the venue for
53:07
that? It's the Hilton downtown Tampa.
53:10
OK. And what are tickets?
53:11
If somebody's in Tampa, they want to go?
53:14
It's $75.00 for VIP and $50.00 for general admission.
53:18
Right on. I'm sure they got any tables
53:20
left, but that was a lovely one. Gotcha, cool.
53:24
Anything else you want to add? I I just appreciate you guys for
53:28
giving me the opportunity and I. Appreciate you coming on.
53:31
Yeah. Anybody you want to shout out
53:32
to? I asked, man.
53:35
He asked. He been doing a lot for me, you
53:37
know. Ash is cool.
53:39
Yeah, that's how we found you. Yes, and I asked when somebody
53:42
doing me wrong. Ash don't like it.
53:44
He found it. Right, that's awesome.
53:46
Or some like the news here, the newspapers here didn't do me too
53:51
good and it's not about it like right away.
53:54
Ash took care of that. I actually had a real big dude
53:57
that's like my most. OK, right on.
53:59
Yeah, thank you for by the garbage.
54:01
This is my brother, man. Right on.
54:03
That's awesome. Yeah.
54:04
And again, Ash is how we found you.
54:05
So shout out to Ash for coming. And that's with Absolutely with
54:08
Fred, Ash and Jig. And he friended both of us on
54:11
Facebook. So thank you, friend, and us,
54:13
Ash, it's a pleasure to meet you and thanks for hooking us up
54:16
with Fred. This has been awesome, man.
54:17
We appreciate you coming on too. Yeah, and you're welcome to come
54:20
back, man. Let's get you like, you know.
54:22
Yeah. Let's talk to you after the
54:23
fight. Yeah.
54:24
I want to know what went through your mind and all.
54:26
Yeah, let's do this after the fight so that you can tell us,
54:29
you know, what fight day was like, what the fight was like.
54:31
You know, take us through that, I think.
54:33
That that was a huge. Boxing fans, man.
54:35
Yeah, we are. Totally, dude.
54:37
I mean, it's, it's, I mean, I grew up.
54:38
I grew up Marvel. Marvelous Marvin Hagler.
54:41
Tyson. Tight white, yeah, but.
54:44
Tommy. Tommy Hearns.
54:46
Yeah, yeah, yes, Tommy Hearns, that's what it was.
54:47
Yeah. Tommy Hitman Hearns.
54:48
Like all those Buster Douglas Tyson.
54:52
Yeah, Buster Douglas. That's a bad word.
54:56
Tyson should have been ready for that fight, man.
54:57
He should have been. He was too busy.
54:59
Hookers and blow man Hookers and blow.
55:01
The one thing that I got from Fred on this podcast is how
55:04
focused he is on doing the job, man.
55:07
And that's what that's what you got to be.
55:08
You know, people think that musicians are all drug addicts
55:11
and party animals. Yeah, there's a little bit to
55:13
that, but there's a lot of work that goes into being a
55:15
professional. Anything right?
55:16
Exactly. People don't see that side of it
55:18
so. Do your do your kids watch you
55:21
fight? Yes.
55:22
They are they like, are they like, just like, come on, Dad.
55:26
Come on, Dad. You know, I think my old, my
55:28
oldest one and she would be a little bit more nervous, but my
55:31
5 year old. Yeah.
55:33
I got videos of her I think she menace she like.
55:36
That's awesome. That's great man.
55:38
Just. Stand up and scream at me like
55:41
I'm not doing enough. Kids are brutal, man.
55:48
But she want me to get busy. Sure.
55:50
Good for her. That's cool.
55:52
That's cool, man. You're a good man, Fred.
55:54
I appreciate you coming on, man. And damn.
55:57
Nice to meet you. Man, Yeah, we got to have you
55:58
back. We, you know, let's talk again.
56:00
Let's talk some more about fighting, all that kind of
56:02
stuff. Man.
56:03
You're a good dude. Send us the stuff because we're
56:05
going to watch you. It's going to be fun.
56:06
I want to see you fight man. Keep them up right?
56:10
Yes, Sir. That's right.
56:13
There you go. There you go, man, We appreciate
56:15
you. Be safe out there.
56:16
We always wrap our shows up with that.
56:17
Don't let the bad days win. So if, if, if anybody out there
56:20
is feeling suicidal and depressed, don't be that person
56:23
that takes your own life because somebody's going to miss you.
56:25
Somebody Loves You and and you don't want to create that hole
56:28
in somebody else's heart. So reach out, find some help,
56:30
talk to somebody you know that will listen to you and and just
56:32
be an ear to lean on. We're no judgement zone here.
56:35
The Chris and Mike show. We're all about love and and and
56:37
finding common ground with people, human interest, things
56:39
like that. So we wish you the best of luck
56:41
in your in your fight cup coming there, Fred, Absolutely great.
56:45
Kick some ass, man, where we're going to be rooting for you.
56:47
And I'm going to yell at the TV. If you're not doing, I want you
56:49
to do. Yeah, best of luck, man.
56:52
Like I said, it was damn nice to meet you.
56:54
Thanks again for doing this and knock him dead man.
56:58
Yeah, we appreciate your time. Yeah, we appreciate time.
57:01
Especially because you're training for a fight.
57:02
So nothing but love from us, man.
57:03
Nothing but love. Alright, brother.
57:06
Peace. Peace.
57:07
Have a great day man. Alright too.
57:09
Nice. This is the place where you will
57:35
go. Feel the trail behind your eyes,
57:39
Feel sob and need yourself. Take a moment.
57:45
Look until you see him. Watch the battle.
57:48
That's you boss. We're Watch the battle.
57:52
But you boss Will, who is this baby?
59:26
The. When?
59:28
It goes around. The world you with no creature,
59:34
we don't pray and smile. You took your breath on the
59:38
almighty day, you got a dream. Who in your life?
59:45
The people soul in every day take the trail behind your eyes
59:52
feel the soul yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah take a
1:00:06
moment listen to you see it fight the fan over to you most
1:00:13
we. You gotta, you gotta.
1:00:41
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.