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Strictly Come Hamster - Series 11 (featuring Geoff Cockwill & Ian Winterton) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to Strictly Come hotstar.
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  And I'm gonna say it for the first time ever before Rod has a
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  conniption fit the Doctor Who Championship hot car.
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  It's only taken 1 8 1 8 should be fine.
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  I love that Sonic Screwdriver seen.
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  Um, I am gonna be very lazy as usual and immediately hand you
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  over to my fabulous co-host Mr. Raab Brown.
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  Hello world. Hello.
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  How are you doing? Oh, let's talk about a series 11
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  of Doctor Who I'm sorry. Do we have to yeah, it's an
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  antidote. I was talking about what a shit
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  Seasons we've done so far. I think it's going to be a bit
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  of a reverse of our series nine conversation where you were very
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  negative and I was very positive serious night miserable dream.
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  That's this serious 11. You've just killed Sunshine Baby
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  Sunshine, really you're watching a different program to make
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  well, you're right here. We are just first season we had
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  together didn't we have to mind back to the 16th of July 2017
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  when the announcement of Joe discussing first dropdown
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  wimbledon's men's final at least thank goodness.
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  Fandom took the first female doctor in their stride everyone
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  really positively embraced the change something like that when
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  you're like, it's the 13th Doctor first season and how will
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  it fare? Well, we're going to find out
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  tonight and how to sort out our in from our umang and bonus
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  points for anybody who recognized those two characters
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  from this season, you get I'm waiting for you all you're all
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  scratching. They are main characters in this
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  season. But you're working on his face.
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  And there we are just proved my point on their conundrum know
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  neither of them, but we don't know is it that was replete
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  space names? The thing is we do know the
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  characters are in the mafia, but we don't want to know who they
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  are Angie Artie. Okay.
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  It didn't say long did it 60 seconds and into the Moffitt
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  bashing. Well in is actually our Malik
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  from the ghost monument and his member of Paul truck is crew
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  from that wonderful Battle of rough score of colon or
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  something. But yeah, We will get there in
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  time no doubt, but we are going to decide between the four of
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  us. Which story from this.
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  Ah slow season, we'll be lifting the recursion glitter ball and
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  which will be sent to join a really bad CGI frog in another
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  universe. So let's welcome.
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  Today's guest. Let's start with Jody loving
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  Jeff Jeff. Would you like to introduce?
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  Hello everyone. Your name is Jeff.
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  I am one half of the hosting Duo for who corner to corner podcast
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  and and as you just correctly introduce me what I am a Jody
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  lover and if anyone listening knows me from online surely
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  recognize my endless enthusiasm and praise about her doctor hero
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  and the whole thing. So, um, if if there's a thought
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  that you might be able to change my mind about this series.
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  Yeah fired already just a smart charismatic handsome man, you
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  know, and now you just At all, thank you determined whether
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  it's yeah. Hi, I'm Ian Winston and I am a
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  writer for Comics including suitcase, which is for some
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  reason just at a massive uptick and sales.
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  Um, and why but anyway, we're not talking about that season.
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  Are we all this season? Unfortunately, we're not if only
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  we were in if only we were and that it was my favorite era the
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  original periods. Yeah.
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  Anyway, yeah, so I write for cutaway comics and very sort of
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  things and I've got a big finish coming out in 2025 because
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  that's how it rolls. Yeah.
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  That's not what I'm gonna do an instant finish all yeah.
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  Well you you can do whatever you like all over it if you like and
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  what else do I do? Oh, yeah.
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  I always forget this bit and I also do a podcast like everybody
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  there's a podcast called the bunker so I comics and which I
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  basically ripped off this island discs much like Joe's just
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  taking over one that said, all right.
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  It's nothing to do with me. I'll just here you yours makes
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  me yours makes me think. Oh yours is much more
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  interesting, but it's books and it's the one with do you want
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  with Gary Russell recently. He was genuinely moving.
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  I was very bold of him, you know to take himself age 15 on the
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  shot. Yeah, wait a desert Planet.
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  Yeah, but yeah, but genuinely moving it really was it was, you
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  know, get old Gary because obviously we work with Gary as
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  well. Look that's why he gets
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  everywhere. right assess Right. Well before we get into the
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  stories, I've got a question for you all which will probably be
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  brief because this will be a long podcast but let's just get
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  a quick snapshot of your overall feelings about this season,
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  Jeff. Let's start with you because I
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  think we know where you're going to land with this but just give
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  us a brief a brief overview and I always loved Doctor Who you
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  know, I have since you know Sylvester was on the screen and
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  but I never loved as much as I did when Jodi came along and I
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  would almost say it took 57 years for the show to become
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  perfect. It going keep going.
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  And then he didn't and and then and then we got three seasons of
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  perfect and then it ended. And then we all where we are
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  now, which is still very good, which is not did you say we're
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  throwing shade in both directions out.
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  Now, what we've got now is if you've listened to us about on
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  the podcast it's strange to sort of, you know, well, we know what
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  it's like with a show don't we? You know, you have your doctor.
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  And then they go and it can be quite a strange thing after
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  that. And you know, Paul Paul said to
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  me once you you're not over Jody leave and I was no I'm not
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  really actually know and it's still the case and you know, I
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  think she is brilliant, but it's just, you know, it's just not
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  the same, you know, but so that's where I am with it.
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  Yeah, you're a bit of a wildcard.
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  We don't know where you're gonna lie.
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  I mean I am because I'm doing lots of politics and stuff at
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  the moment. I'm just very conscious.
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  I am Centrist Dad. I am the voice of moderation.
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  Um, so I actually I don't love this era it wasn't my hero, but
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  I really like to and this is maybe controversial.
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  I thought this season was the best of the three season 11.
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  I Instantly loved Jodie actually met Jodi when she was she just
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  unfairness, which was like her movie when I was a time ago.
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  Yeah. So yes, I was at a party in
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  Leeds the Leeds film festival and got to meet Jodi and I did
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  not she was brilliant. I did not a second thing.
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  I was meeting a future Doctor Who which is very strange.
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  But um, I didn't think she was it's just weird.
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  I think she's made the role alone and it just goes to show
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  how The Regeneration thing is really hard to sometimes get
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  over. I think I had the same
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  impression of Jodie Whittaker as I did over Peter Davidson who
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  are now things are brilliant doctor, but he wasn't on Baker.
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  So I imagine a lot of people were as she was a woman which
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  was too much for a lot of people and she wasn't there doctor so
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  that whole fed into but now we got used to her you watched
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  season like she's really good, but I did really like it anyway
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  because I'm not I'm thinking I'm quite good at assessing things
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  in the moment and I loved it from the second.
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  She came in when she first said I'm a you know, What was it when
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  I first said sorry half an hour ago as a whitehead Scotsman,
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  when's the next train you and I just went I just remember
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  clapping my hands together when I watched that for the first
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  time going. She's the doctor and it doesn't
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  matter what gender she is. Of course it fucking doesn't
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  which I've been in the roof of that train, right?
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  Yeah. Got up.
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  Just funny witty. Oh man.
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  She was my doctor straight away stretch it.
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  Oh, yeah and and my first impression of that first season
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  anyway is I quite liked it. I didn't love it.
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  And that's why this has been my first time going back and
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  re-watching it all. I've rewatched lots of a few of
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  the episodes a lot and they're the ones of so probably going to
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  Champion. Um, but it was really good
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  watching it again because I actually liked it more than I
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  did before so sorry road, but all the things are still there
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  that I don't like like when she's in explaining mode.
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  It makes me cringe and but her delivery of one line as Equipped
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  she's brilliant. Um, and I really like the family
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  really good to spend time with and I think the historical maybe
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  never been better as well. Yes, but my downside is The the
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  fam feels a bit overly designed rather than organic. and we can
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  maybe talk about the You know their ethnicity and things when
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  we talk about over. Of a stories later on but the
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  fact that we've got, you know, someone who can be there for the
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  Punjab someone who can be there for Rosa someone who can be
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  there and then Graham's a bus driver and Ryan's Warehouse
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  operative it all feels it feels a bit like you can see the you
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  can see the working but but at least they are people right?
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  I'm not yeah. Yeah.
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  No, I like them and then all the most I think people in the
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  universe, you know, certainly aren't we right?
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  Yeah again again. Yes becomes it still say the
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  word for me the wheels. I think it's almost in Reverse.
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  Most people got most people got used to Triple zero and kind of
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  went. Okay, I'm enjoying it now.
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  I like it less. I prefer this season toward the
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  others really really hated float.
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  I have heard of a few people say that this is their favorite as
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  well. Yeah, and I think I think he in
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  the character arcs of just about everybody work.
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  Well and you I mean we could talk at length about how it's
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  sort of you could almost touch a real.
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  It's a it's a really it's a rethinking of the heart and all
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  and three companion. thing with Yaz as he in Chesterton, that's
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  why she doesn't do much moving character wise this season
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  because she is in Chesterton and I love the little little Fuck
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  off. My fat to the fact.
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  That Yaz is a cop not to kiss a gram cop when you said about the
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  carpet. Yeah, all you see was Clara
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  River song. Oh, it's been swept under the
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  carpet last. Oh, could I say I think this is
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  a wonderful season of Doctor Who I think it's a true rebirth for
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  the new series after sorry Rod seasons and seasons of over
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  complications and smart. Finally.
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  We're raining it all back in again to a naturalistic level
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  with people. I can fucking believe in and
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  give a shit about which is so refreshing.
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  I think you've got a likeable crew which are pretty much
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  formed on page one. And that's a really impressive
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  thing to do with that very first episode.
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  So I think it's full of unique episodes.
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  Not one episode is like another and you certainly can't say that
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  about RTD Moffitt every episode this season feels completely
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  different and I'm not just talking about in his content.
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  I'm talking about how it looks as well how it sounds I can only
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  change is his musical style for every single episode.
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  You've got a beautiful funny warm hug of a doctor.
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  My absolutely my comfort doctor in this I just love Jodie I
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  smile every time she's on the screen.
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  I adore being around her. I think this is a spectacular
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  rebirth for Doctor Who I do think it's slow.
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  I do think it's on Sunday night. I don't think those are things
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  that we should be criticizing at all.
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  And if this didn't hit the audience as well as it should
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  have done I don't care about that because I love it.
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  I think it's a wonderful. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I agree. There's this this year was just
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  a absolute blast of mostly like, well not most like overwhelming
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  kind of optimism and positivity which you know, even though the
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  doctor went through challenges, of course the year All of that
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  stuff was still really prevalent within and I know think the
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  doctor was kind of, you know, any doctor. there's traits and
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  you know different levels on the sliders are pushed up in
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  different versions, you know, the grumpy was pushed up in 12,
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  for example, you know, but but Jody stopped to push the
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  positivity and optimism like, you know off them machine and
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  you know, kind of broke it, you know, and yeah, like you say
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  George just fell everything in it was Fresh and it was vibrant,
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  you know everything from the you know, the poster artwork and the
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  trailers they did and you know hammers they using yeah, there's
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  no never look better. The costume was so overseas to
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  other countries and doing beautiful location work.
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  Yeah Life's a week. We still not seen in RTD too.
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  No honest know and and you know Ross looking up at 6 in the
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  corner there. And I don't know how you got you
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  want to go through like Episode by episode and we will she was
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  our short so a bit like Joseph when she crashed through the
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  roof on the train and she stood up and the music did the I was
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  like, oh, yeah this this, you know, like right from the you
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  know the reveal on you know, it was during the tennis.
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  I remember punching him thinking yes, you know, they've they've
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  changed in it and it's a short in the arm that we need on the
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  show to freshen it up, you know, you can keep doing the same
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  thing but it gets tired and no matter how much we love it.
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  You know, it will eventually be small of the same.
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  So, you know, they mixed up so much here, I think and I think
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  you know, you look at the the this rebirth compared to office
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  rebirth in serious five. I think serious five is a really
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  strong. Well, let's go It's a terrible
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  episode but it's a strong year overall.
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  But he's following the rusty Davis formula almost episode to
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  episode episode where the two parties are.
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  All of it. He's there's a formula that
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  works whereas Shimla actually goes should know what let's just
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  shake it up completely. This is a boulder rebirth.
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  I mean more profit did yeah it was Well, I couldn't disagree
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  with him more with all of you. You're all talking absolute
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  scribble. Okay, so I'm gonna be punto
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  villain on this episode Oh, no, you're not.
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  Oh, yes. For me, this is easily the
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  weakest series. I would say in the whole of Dr.
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  Classic car model. Oh, I just finding season 15 in
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  that. Oh, I'm certainly out.
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  Okay. All right.
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  God give me 15. I need I um, I just personally I
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  just find it like last stuff. I did disappointing.
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  I find it quite dull in a lot of places.
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  It doesn't please me to say that but that's just how I feel about
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  the characters the companions. I just find them intensely dull
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  in this series. That's when they have anything
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  to do which isn't an awful lot of time.
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  There's an awful lot of episodes where they're just hanging
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  around on the on the fringes of the storyline doing nothing
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  we've gone from Russell who was big bold fun camp great big
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  character's bold crazy ideas, and we come to Moffitt with all
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  Interiors clever plotting smart dialogue, however, however,
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  intricate plots and then we come to this for me.
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  This is kind of straightforward. Sunday night doesn't overly
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  appear to me so for the first time in strictly.
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  There are more stories here that I'm gonna bend that.
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  I'm Gonna Keep On I say it doesn't please me to say that
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  but There are more I'm keeping more than I thought it was going
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  to so I'll give you that as a positive but your contributions
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  will be disappointing to this episode.
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  There was well, I might be in the minority but it's good.
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  We've got a balance. It's one of the things I find
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  Most Fascinating about you know, who but you know any kind of
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  media how differently people can read them, you know like Paul
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  and I were talking about Legend of Ruby Sunday on Saturday night
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  and kill the moon came up and I really like kill the moon.
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  I think it's an exciting slightly scary space adventure
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  with a big moral, you know dilemma in it Paul hates it
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  because he can't get past the fact that the Moon is an egg at
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  the end. Like he's signed brain won't
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  allow him to all his right get by moon is not he can get that
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  travels through Thomas. Yeah, how much by a man who
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  changes his face and my point is exactly.
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  Yeah. So I'm like, I you know, the
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  Moon being an egg doesn't bother me because of what it does. for
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  the story in the character's, you know, and I think that It's
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  fascinating how differently people react to something and it
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  you know it I mean you always wrong here.
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  No one's wrong you you It enjoy things and you know watch them
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  and feel them differently and and that's your opinion on it.
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  And that's you know, that's what matters isn't it, you know, we
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  should treat this is the Truth and Reconciliation sessions
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  after the great shipment Awards, although we can just say yeah,
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  you just say nobody is wrong there Jeff but we should all
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  acknowledge that Fraser Gregory is wrong.
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  Oh that's control, which I'll give him.
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  He should be a gift about wrongness one of the West Wing.
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  Um, but I would say I am in between I don't think I as a man
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  he used to assign star ratings to movies for about 10 years.
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  That was my main job and I still think in terms of fight.
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  Well how many stars want to give this?
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  I don't think there's a episode there's a season of Doctor Who
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  well even more three stars. That was all right too then this
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  season so it's weirdly in the middle and people that say this
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  is a bit vanilla and a bit Bland sometimes find my billing what
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  mood I'm in I sometimes find myself agreeing so I've liked it
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  more than I did first time around which I didn't hate it,
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  but I didn't go. Oh my God, this is the best
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  Doctor Who ever made? Hi, I'll give one episode of
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  freestyle one episode or two star and the rest would be four
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  and above for me. Yeah, I suppose to um, am I
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  supposed to been an episode here?
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  You know, I do whatever you are good because that's like saying
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  to me which are your three kids, you know do not want to keep any
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  well, that's the next question. All right, but we have actually
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  started. Yeah.
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  This was the short introduction guys.
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  Yeah. Just swiftly on should we go to
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  our first set of overview comments for let's do it because
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  I think they will show there is a mixed mixed response.
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  Tell you the wise people are all right.
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  Yes like guys Japanese. I believe you're going to do our
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  work for us and read these out. So shall we start with Ian and
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  you wanted to take the yes and any action for this?
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  No just you. Know Michael series that brought
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  my love for who back from the edge and made it even stronger
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  great. Just wonderful stories
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  interesting themes and more. You know, I don't know Matt
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  price is but I imagine he's very sexy. massive cock Almost
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  certainly. Right.
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  Should I go through it? There's a lot of names I
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  recognize in here, which is nice and Lazarus is switching from
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  the Morpher area to the Chippenham era felt like
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  swapping a deep full-bodied flavor some Shiraz who are cheap
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  acidic possibly caulked Pinot Pinot Noir.
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  You are a sexy man. Jim Allenby the massive refresh
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  to show really needed a big rug pull for fans.
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  But a necessary one. It's a start of my comfort era
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  Jody is a delight. It's not perfect.
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  When is it ever what is sometimes but it's a breath
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  refresher the gyms just be in Polite there.
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  He knows it's perfect. And actually, you know what?
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  Me and Rob was on a podcast with Jim where he said his go-to
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  comfort who is always Jody whenever he feels low, you know,
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  it's on a Jodie anyway, sorry back to the comments.
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  Okay, Nathan bottomley it aims to be Prestige TV.
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  I see what you're saying Joe about the comment distribution.
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  Don't worry. I'm just showing both sides of
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  the coins. Should I put them in in the
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  voice? So I imagine this to be?
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  Yeah go and I'm a reached TV and ends up being a bit dollars.
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  So the doctor is curiously in an end up being a staunch defender
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  of the state of quote. He's Extended my accents and
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  unless you want to send me decent call from the Thor films.
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  All right on the other end of the spectrum.
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  Probably my favorite season of modern who should not take those
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  early blueprints laid out by Newman Lambert and Whittaker and
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  takes it into the Modern Age the freedom from the past and not
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  encountering old enough to use enemies the incidental music
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  theme titles. I love it with all my house.
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  Jeff is a He saw it wonderful man.
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  Yeah, John best run of the show for me.
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  Not just because the writing was great but also that the writing
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  is a history. So John no surname says worst
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  one of the show for me not just because they're writing is
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  lacking but also that it makes the bizarre decision to strip
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  out the shows entire DNA no returning writers or Monsters.
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  No references to the show's history.
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  It just felt like a generic sci-fi and pathology.
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  Well that's wrong. It was so big original for the
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  first time in years and even talks about even it does have
• 24:05
  references to previous things all the time.
• 24:07
  Yeah, it does. Yeah.
• 24:08
  There's a number of I mean just Yeah, I think it's just
• 24:13
  slightly, you know, it's slightly more subtle.
• 24:16
  Yeah, so for some people right complexity to cookie.
• 24:23
  My favorite ship was no season some real gems in there Jody and
• 24:27
  Bradley shine, but to 50/50 hit rate across the ten episodes.
• 24:31
  Maybe is that what you're looking for to launch a new
• 24:33
  year? I feel they deserved better.
• 24:35
  I'm with complex. Okay summed up my feelings.
• 24:38
  I should have done that at the beginning.
• 24:41
  Here we could have been over by now.
• 24:45
  So sorry. Big Orange Michael that's a
• 24:50
  name. I haven't seen before as a
• 24:52
  father of a girl who loves science and learning.
• 24:54
  I'm grateful that chipping or created a doctor who looks and
• 24:56
  sounds like my daughter a great role model but Whitaker is to
• 25:00
  Modern who what Colin Baker is to Classic good act with okay
• 25:04
  stories. That is a double.
• 25:06
  Whammy of controversy. Oh just like to add that point
• 25:10
  that so my kids I have my son Ethan is nearly 10 and my twin
• 25:14
  girls are six and they all know what know they've now seen a bit
• 25:20
  of shooting the doctor to be Jody and and a while ago.
• 25:24
  I was looking through my who Shelf at home Blu-rays and stuff
• 25:28
  and the girls came over and they pulled one of the you know cases
• 25:33
  off and it had David on the front.
• 25:35
  They said who's that? I said that stuck to who Dr.
• 25:38
  Who's a girl and for them Joey? You know that, you know, she was
• 25:43
  the doctor and I was so on that note so, you know, I know some
• 25:47
  people think so Anglican Andrew is quite the worst episode of
• 25:51
  Doctor Who ever but I think that If we can we try and watch the
• 25:56
  show and think about how other people might perceive it.
• 26:00
  So I showed my kids saranga a while ago and they thought the
• 26:05
  King was amazing, you know, they they loved him burping and being
• 26:08
  a little shit and all you know, all of that stuff.
• 26:10
  And so, you know, like for me, I think it was, you know, it was
• 26:15
  great that whole set looked amazing in it, but you know, my
• 26:18
  kids loved it and and yeah, yeah despite what I've got kids as
• 26:22
  well and I'm exactly the same people.
• 26:23
  I think I see one I on them. Yeah despite what people want
• 26:28
  people to believe there is an entire generation of kids where
• 26:32
  Jody was absolutely that doctor. Yeah.
• 26:34
  Yeah. Well, you could see it with
• 26:35
  people like little who go on Twitter.
• 26:37
  You know, she dressed like he's just say I'm a she's now a
• 26:46
  regular guest on a on we have a little spin-off on my podcast.
• 26:49
  You've had your opportunity for plugging here. guys We're just
• 27:04
  here to plug. Oh, yes, but really struggled
• 27:14
  with this year. Oh, sorry, he means 2019 not the
• 27:19
  series then they Brendan Jones, it's all very serious and
• 27:25
  weirdly stoic Jodi and Bradley on that natural Comedians and
• 27:28
  whilst there are funny moments. Everything's just so cold.
• 27:31
  A lot of the time well said Brandon Michael Donny who says I
• 27:35
  like how fresh it feels no big story arc.
• 27:38
  Just a doctor having Adventures. It's good to have companions.
• 27:41
  We're just normal people first into this strange situation.
• 27:44
  Jodie has fantastic from the word.
• 27:47
  Go. Yeah.
• 27:49
  Charlie Barnes starts with promise ends badly a doctor
• 27:53
  whose ineffective in irritating companions who are cyphers
• 27:56
  rubbish villains, but credit for attempting proper historicals.
• 28:00
  So there was a single compliment in there.
• 28:03
  Yeah, the amazing how old of creation says the cast of Good
• 28:08
  and it looks good, but the scripts filled are finished.
• 28:12
  Well, we can confirm score avocado was the first draft.
• 28:16
  Chris said that he that was the one he'd like to go back and
• 28:20
  redo the he didn't have time to finish it for like oh shit.
• 28:23
  No worry. I goes to war the Apostle Paul
• 28:26
  astronaut those were all first drafts as well.
• 28:28
  I could go. Please don't magel excited
• 28:33
  falling out of love with the show off to series 10.
• 28:35
  I put this on and it not only got me back into the show it
• 28:38
  gave me my doctor. I'll Always Love series 11.
• 28:40
  Excellent. There we go.
• 28:42
  You see I'm not I'm not all despite what Joe will tell you
• 28:45
  and now 45 minutes in we're at around 1.
• 28:48
  Well, no, it's never been so long has it right?
• 28:51
  I'm thinking of me. I love it when it's for hours
• 28:54
  long because I have a lots of car Journeys and I go I was
• 28:58
  right. You have authority brilliant,
• 29:10
  right? Yeah, let's move pick your first
• 29:13
  off 10 stories. I'm sorry Dale listener pick
• 29:16
  your first of 10 stories. Give us your reasons why you're
• 29:20
  obviously going to jump in it all you can benefit if you wish
• 29:22
  Joe's having a stroke you Here's the first suggest holding up a
• 29:31
  sign that says shut up. So it had to be me.
• 29:35
  I'm a middle-aged man. And I you have to come here just
• 29:39
  turn. Oh, okay.
• 29:41
  I'm fine. I'm fine.
• 29:43
  So pick your story of choice. What what story I'm just gonna
• 29:49
  bring up the list or can remember them all in exact order
• 29:52
  and that's that's a tough one. Oh, I'm just gonna go with the
• 29:57
  ghost Monument. So the reasons for that are it
• 30:01
  open. Well, it's a great adventure.
• 30:03
  It's a doctor and the companions, you know from a you
• 30:07
  know, really good Cliffhanger at the end of the woman.
• 30:10
  It feels worth into massive danger, you know on the
• 30:13
  spaceship. So my day job is is video camera
• 30:17
  directing stuff like that. So a bit like you in when you
• 30:22
  watching something and you're you know, thinking how many
• 30:25
  stars I'm kind of half. My brain is singing.
• 30:27
  Oh, this is great and you know really excited or whatever and
• 30:29
  the other half is thinking I want to have they shot that and
• 30:32
  all that looks really nice so that single take in the space
• 30:36
  ship at the beginning of this is so exciting.
• 30:38
  It's so brilliantly dumb and then they land on the planet and
• 30:41
  there's that, you know the kind of race, you know to get to the
• 30:45
  end of it and that And you get the robots and you know, the
• 30:48
  farmer really throwing into it and I just found the whole thing
• 30:51
  in a really exciting that the doctor kind of still figuring
• 30:54
  herself out and everyone kind of getting to grips with this this
• 30:57
  unit and working together and then but the so all of that was
• 31:02
  was great fun, but then the Tardis turns up at the end and
• 31:05
  for me that that whole bit is the single best scene in all of
• 31:10
  Doctor Who and I'm not embarrassed sat there crying
• 31:15
  with joy how beautiful it was to tell us appears Jody runs up.
• 31:21
  You know she goes in and we get that brilliant shot where you
• 31:25
  know, the camera pulls back and we reveal the interior and music
• 31:29
  and the way it's all performing and the fam coming in and she
• 31:31
  you know pulls all things and the custard cream pops out.
• 31:34
  It was just you know, I thought yeah, we're in for something
• 31:38
  really special here. I'd already been convinced from
• 31:41
  the woman who fell to Earth and then you know, the ghost one was
• 31:44
  was exciting and like you were saying, you know, it was shot
• 31:47
  and South Africa, it looked expensive it looked amazing and
• 31:51
  then you just get this this pure joy and you know Beauty at the
• 31:57
  end of it. So, yeah fantastic.
• 32:00
  Brilliant, let us go to The Listener comments James Lark
• 32:04
  says sand running shooting running Sand Gun sand running
• 32:09
  shooting sand Tardis custard cream.
• 32:11
  Yeah, that's all about I remember this one.
• 32:13
  So look how differently I've actually got a heart of stone
• 32:17
  and listen to this. Listen to this Jeff Dylan Reese.
• 32:21
  Whoa, what a beautiful episode Great Character moments for the
• 32:25
  new team and guests could do with a proper monster like
• 32:29
  Michael storms has some strange narrative choice is mean that
• 32:32
  having the fans split into two opposing sights to create
• 32:35
  dramatic tension. We've got two space Motors snuck
• 32:38
  in each other while progressing through a live action video game
• 32:42
  knock off Bennett Andy Parkinson looks amazing, but it's a thin
• 32:46
  story killer robots that are apparently leeful become
• 32:50
  non-leaf for when our protagonists are concerned and
• 32:53
  check off cigar. Oh, I love that cigar resolution
• 32:55
  is Nick it's not as bad as the mark Wave i a good idea that
• 33:00
  could have done with a rewrite not terrible just average chuck
• 33:03
  with that first trip to space RTD brings the politics and
• 33:07
  character clashes Moffitt brings the fairy tale hijinks and ship
• 33:11
  know brings some bland Side characters and gestures towards
• 33:14
  the law. That won't be paid off for 18
• 33:16
  months. I like the strip back nature of
• 33:18
  Storytelling a throwback to Terry Nation style Adventures.
• 33:21
  It gives us a modern Twist by reframing the story as a series
• 33:24
  of open world video games site quests.
• 33:27
  Jason Thompson says a decent Enough second episode shame.
• 33:31
  I can't stand the new Tardis interior though props to the
• 33:33
  design team for trying something new keep it if only because I
• 33:37
  can't find anything about it egregious enough to Warrant
• 33:40
  kicking it out. Jeff Richardson says good clean
• 33:43
  fun. I like the spooky submerged
• 33:45
  Warehouse with Killer Robots Big Orange.
• 33:47
  Michael says visually stunning with Gorgeous cinematography.
• 33:51
  The story isn't a solid as it could have been but I'd still
• 33:53
  say keep it. Luke Simpson says a really fun
• 33:56
  time showing how capable the doctor is not the greatest but
• 33:59
  it runs along nicely Daniel know it says it looks epic making up
• 34:03
  for the slight plot the final five minutes on that mountain
• 34:06
  are beautiful and the Very erudite and intelligent Paul
• 34:10
  smile says looks great, but very very boring.
• 34:14
  I was far more positive than negative.
• 34:17
  You know, next let's go to aim has just convinced you of the
• 34:22
  joys of the ghost Monument. Well, it's it's one that I would
• 34:27
  keep I think it's it's not it's somewhere in the middle.
• 34:31
  It's slightly above average for me.
• 34:33
  It does look amazing. I and I agree that bit at the
• 34:38
  end with Jody. Oh, I hate it when I hear people
• 34:42
  say hey when you say she's not a good actor that makes my shitt
• 34:46
  itch and I really really when they say she hasn't had a doctor
• 34:51
  moment. She had a doctor moment fall
• 34:53
  into that. Yeah brain and this is like, I
• 34:58
  mean, it's really good plotting to separate her from a tardis to
• 35:02
  make her work almost like she's working for the audience as
• 35:04
  respect. Yeah, I like it at the end.
• 35:07
  Yeah. Ghost Monument is a brilliant
• 35:09
  name. Yeah, but the Tardis it's
• 35:12
  absolutely brilliant and that bit at the end come to Daddy.
• 35:14
  I mean mummy is just gorgeous and I wouldn't say I was a
• 35:19
  floods of tears, but I I did quickly face.
• 35:21
  I was moved. She's still got the bit of a CBC
• 35:26
  presenter Vibe, but that's kind of maybe Jody's doctor.
• 35:29
  I guess I love CBB presented. Yeah, I was blueberry.
• 35:34
  But but she has that, you know Pythagoras never wore Shades you
• 35:38
  obviously never saw him with a hangover, you know stuff like
• 35:41
  that for me is much more successful than a lot of them
• 35:43
  offer era stuff know about browser history and all the
• 35:48
  recorded jokes and you know, all these things and this is lavish
• 35:53
  for a tent. It's good and I love I love Sean
• 35:58
  Dooley. I think there's a real Sabbath
• 36:01
  along Glitz slash absolutely dark kind of thing going on, but
• 36:05
  it's weird. When you when you get on Arcadia
• 36:08
  later on you go was supposed to be the same character because
• 36:10
  we've got a derby face northerner again.
• 36:13
  Oh space name. Yeah, but they but yes, so that
• 36:17
  some weird repeated. Things going on in the south
• 36:21
  series. Um, but I think all the comments
• 36:24
  about it being a slight story of very very valid as well.
• 36:27
  Yeah. There's just not happened in
• 36:30
  this story a lot of these stories.
• 36:34
  The the setup is okay, and then they just kind of Peter out.
• 36:38
  I'm gonna fight on that not in this episode.
• 36:41
  No, no. Yeah, not all of them.
• 36:44
  Some of them are really love but some of them it seems to be a
• 36:47
  repeat. It's something that I get.
• 36:49
  Throughout quite the ones I think are a bit more average the
• 36:52
  stories don't quite get to the third act.
• 36:54
  They don't do the take everything to the most extreme.
• 36:57
  It can be with with your setup. And then your story should end
• 37:01
  up over here. They go.
• 37:01
  Here's the setup and I'm just gonna stop halfway through and
• 37:04
  it's all fine. Let's go home.
• 37:05
  Um, that's that's I think this is a bit of one of those it's a
• 37:09
  bit. We've got this big chase.
• 37:10
  It's massive. It's gonna be like Cannonball
• 37:12
  run across the planet. Well, it's not really it's gonna
• 37:15
  have some rubbish sniper sniper bots in it.
• 37:18
  And I I mean, I don't like Ryan being just practicing at all.
• 37:22
  I think that that one of those things that it's like here's a
• 37:27
  list of things to make him a character and this is the one
• 37:29
  that's gonna get in the way the most like canine or something
• 37:33
  screwdriver. So we're gonna have to ignore it
• 37:35
  a lot of the time as well. So they have ignore it and then
• 37:38
  half down and it's just the shoulder just got rid of him
• 37:41
  being distracted, but generally I'd say keep it.
• 37:45
  Because it's it's just there's more in the pros column than the
• 37:49
  column. But I'm not in a rush to watch
• 37:52
  it again. So I go next Joe to bring a bit
• 37:55
  of dramatic tension to events. Yes Gordon, okay.
• 38:00
  Jeff I cannot believe of the 10 episodes this season you picked
• 38:05
  as your choice to start with the ghost Monument which again just
• 38:08
  goes back to what you said earlier.
• 38:10
  We all see different things in different and I'll just say I
• 38:13
  think that over the years I've realized that I am much more.
• 38:21
  Emotionally receptive stuff so Ian was saying of the plot is
• 38:27
  quite light in this one. Yeah it is but I don't care
• 38:30
  because it makes me feel good and makes me feel happy.
• 38:33
  And that ending is so powerful for me still now to you know to
• 38:36
  this day and you know Roy yeah, there was there was what you
• 38:42
  might say technically better in in this season in every aspect
• 38:46
  pointing, you know, blah blah, but because of how this makes me
• 38:49
  feel And and my memory is over here.
• 38:52
  That's what I put it. Put it.
• 38:54
  It's probably worth me. Just saying as well.
• 38:56
  I don't think that's just a chipmunk thing over.
• 38:58
  I think I love Russia Today Davis.
• 39:01
  And some of his episodes like new new Earth always Pops in my
• 39:05
  head. I don't that's a bit of a slight
• 39:07
  story. It's a runaround but the bit at
• 39:09
  the end with chip and see you know, and telling Cassandra that
• 39:13
  she's beautiful that bit at the end is like this.
• 39:16
  It's like others are lovely amazing bit of the other that
• 39:19
  makes me you know, 73 yards recently did the same.
• 39:23
  I wasn't that bothered about the middle bit just so we can take
• 39:27
  off every show run up. Yeah, you know, you get pregnant
• 39:40
  plots and no fucking emotion at all.
• 39:42
  So there we go, actually rolled. Thank you and you're so wrong on
• 39:46
  that because we've discussed so many times that Moffat does
• 39:49
  reduced me. What season yeah, and what's he
• 39:53
  gonna try and go? Why did the Turkish explode?
• 40:01
  Everything apart from seriously. I do love I do love series 89.
• 40:08
  I think we just really good on we want to do everything back
• 40:11
  here your opinion on the coast. Um, I would say the ghost
• 40:22
  Monument is possibly the Dulles slowest episode of Race Around
• 40:26
  The World Is this a race know we've got two competitors who
• 40:30
  are probably the blandest characters to ever set foot in a
• 40:34
  Doctor Who episode they just amble around slowly.
• 40:37
  There's no sense of pace or commitment to this race or
• 40:40
  enthusiasm. Then they're just suddenly
• 40:42
  joined forces at the end when they've shown no inclination
• 40:45
  towards are whatsoever nonsense. Think it's really telling the
• 40:50
  most the characters take a nap during the episode because
• 40:53
  something that's probably very wise but I am going to focus my
• 40:56
  friends in season 1 all the time and you didn't mind it there.
• 40:59
  I didn't mind that. I'm gonna Focus my three reasons
• 41:02
  on the three threats that they face across this.
• 41:05
  Oh so dangerous planet. So the first one is The Flash
• 41:09
  eating microbes the water don't touch the water.
• 41:12
  It's full of flash eating microbes just like the acid sea
• 41:15
  in the keys of marinus. That was 1964 show.
• 41:18
  I'm production values as you rightly said it looks like so
• 41:21
  the products but these flash eating microbes.
• 41:25
  We don't see them. We see no evidence of them think
• 41:27
  back to silence in the library where we demonstrate the
• 41:30
  national by throwing the chicken bone and meat get stripped off
• 41:34
  it. We don't get anything like that.
• 41:36
  We're just told that there's no Jeopardy associated with them as
• 41:41
  well that sail across the waters no reference to it and then the
• 41:45
  never mentioned again, so that's the first big threat.
• 41:48
  We don't see it. I don't go in the water.
• 41:50
  It's just dangerous. You avoid it you wouldn't go.
• 41:54
  Oh, that's the theory. It's just a point.
• 41:57
  It's checkups acid acid water with some money.
• 42:02
  It's check out cigar check us to go check using micro is second.
• 42:07
  Most famous one after is gone. Yeah.
• 42:09
  Yeah. It's famous ones the mark my
• 42:13
  dissertation on his acid. Micro one.
• 42:16
  I'm not gonna go a word actually that is a bad thing.
• 42:23
  And that's all right. He's alive second point the
• 42:30
  second threat the sniper Bots, right?
• 42:32
  We all know yes aliens can miss darling Smith Cybermen, Miss,
• 42:37
  but We have robots here that are designed specifically to shoot
• 42:43
  and kill the robots, even though they've got target practice in
• 42:46
  the basement. I'm not sure what just lonely at
• 42:49
  night and they go target practice thing.
• 42:51
  But these are designed purely to kill and four of them Miss Ryan
• 42:56
  when he stood two feet away from them.
• 43:00
  And they're not very good sniper Bots.
• 43:01
  Are they? Oh come back to that scene in a
• 43:04
  minute though, because that's part of my defense and then they
• 43:06
  turn up the air controls off, even though the doctors standing
• 43:09
  in the corridor where there's loads of open windows.
• 43:11
  So again, there's lots of false Peril that amounts to nothing
• 43:14
  and seems loot gross. And then the third threat are
• 43:18
  the remnants they are ranks. They are fucking Rags.
• 43:22
  Is that what we've come down to so these Rags apparently have
• 43:25
  been animated by scientists who leave a very convenient note
• 43:29
  about what they've done and the Apparently these Rags can
• 43:31
  smother you so yeah, you know fine all very Terror of the
• 43:34
  autons but Then this starts speaking.
• 43:37
  And then they read the doctors mind and tell her things that
• 43:41
  she doesn't know and I don't know how she reacts the Timeless
• 43:43
  child line because she doesn't know about that yet.
• 43:46
  Let's park that. But if these things are thinking
• 43:49
  and speaking surely there are a form of life and the doctors
• 43:53
  told her numerous occasions. There is no life on this planet.
• 43:56
  So what the fuck are these drugs doing?
• 44:00
  He happily satisfies them, even though she said in the previous
• 44:02
  episode. She doesn't like to kill she
• 44:04
  happily burns them to death. Oh, he does all the time.
• 44:07
  Look at the Vancouver. She takes out three armies in
• 44:09
  two cents. That's why everybody's come on
• 44:11
  the back of the episode where she said she doesn't like so and
• 44:14
  finally if those three pathetic threats Aren't Enough Graham,
• 44:18
  and yes get virtually nothing to do in this episode.
• 44:20
  It's not great as a second one in a run.
• 44:23
  That is my argument. I'm finished.
• 44:24
  I'm handing over to Joe. Oh, hello.
• 44:26
  I would like to give a positive reading on the ghost Monument
• 44:31
  which surprised me because I think this one is probably just
• 44:34
  about average as well because it is very slight but when has
• 44:39
  above average and Doctor Who looked this fucking gorgeous, I
• 44:44
  mean just on the visuals alone, I would put this through but I
• 44:49
  do have other reasons. I think nobody's really
• 44:52
  mentioned the characters in this I think there's a wonderful
• 44:55
  character scene between Graham and Ryan on the bone on the
• 44:59
  boat. It's a Wonderful scene between
• 45:01
  two men one who's very open and one who's very closed and
• 45:04
  they've both just suffered a profound loss and they're trying
• 45:08
  to navigate and that is a thread that runs through this entire
• 45:11
  season people don't credit chimp nowhere enough for his character
• 45:14
  work and it is a very very good character seen that I I love the
• 45:21
  Timeless child long game. I think it's great.
• 45:23
  It's a reference here and that's not paid off till the next
• 45:25
  season no issues of that at all the opening sequence where
• 45:31
  They're literally in space and then scooped up from space.
• 45:34
  And then it's all done with our word Idol.
• 45:38
  The direction is so great in that opening sequence.
• 45:41
  They did it in oxygen in the previous year.
• 45:44
  I think when Bill Falls unconscious and when doctors who
• 45:47
  is told purely in visual terms, that's when we're in cinema.
• 45:51
  We're no longer in television and this is Cinematic in lots of
• 45:55
  different ways. I love the whole lost without
• 45:57
  hardest thing. I probably could have done with
• 45:59
  another episode of yes with very seasoned one can just in the
• 46:04
  remember. There was a rumor that they
• 46:06
  won't gonna have Todd artist for the very end of the series.
• 46:09
  Oh, yeah, I was absolutely that would have been interesting the
• 46:14
  same that you brought our rod and got the completely wrong
• 46:16
  reading on it about the sniper bolts.
• 46:18
  The whole point of that sequence is is it absolutely cuts to the
• 46:23
  idiocy of that sort of masculine, you know, those sort
• 46:27
  of Gamers with guns and Rising they're going to talk about
• 46:30
  every fucking idiot bloke. I know and then they all turn
• 46:35
  around to shoot him and he's like, yeah.
• 46:37
  Yeah throwing what fallacy is are you off everything?
• 46:42
  He's acting all big and tough and he literally oh, but these
• 46:45
  if these Androids weren't sold to us as being sniper Bots and
• 46:50
  specifically that if they were guarded Bots there are
• 46:56
  specifically there to shoot and kill and four of them missing
• 47:01
  from two yards. This is the most evil force in
• 47:05
  the entire universe the Daleks that didn't kill a fucking
• 47:08
  person. Yeah.
• 47:09
  Do you remember that rod and how you excused that in episode
• 47:12
  after episode? And what's interesting here?
• 47:15
  How's my sniper Bots? They're not snapshot in close
• 47:19
  quarters Bots. I I agree.
• 47:22
  They usually at the top of towers waiting patient.
• 47:25
  I'll let missed even they can't they can't help from two yards
• 47:28
  away. We've Jeff as well.
• 47:30
  I think the last the last five minutes of this episode are
• 47:33
  possibly the most beautiful scenes and whoever that the
• 47:37
  secrets of her running across the mountains the sun now, it's
• 47:42
  just beautiful and you know, I love RTD2.
• 47:46
  I really enjoy the new series. We're just not commanding
• 47:49
  visuals like this anymore. They feel like there's less
• 47:51
  money on the screen now that just to detour information.
• 47:56
  You're absolutely right like what you know, Legend of Ruby
• 48:00
  Sunday was a crack in episode but it took place in the unit.
• 48:02
  Yeah and and a joint 3D TV room and okay, I'm assuming that kind
• 48:08
  of save all the money for the The Empire of death, but you
• 48:11
  know consider all the Disney money.
• 48:13
  It doesn't look more expensive or elaborate than what typical
• 48:18
  did I think they need to stop doing Target novels for each of
• 48:21
  the episodes and actually put the money back into the show
• 48:23
  look at bubble, which is supposed to be you know, this
• 48:26
  beautiful science fiction Tower when we're on the streets.
• 48:28
  It's clearly grisly old car there, isn't it?
• 48:31
  Not these beautiful South African planes and we've got
• 48:34
  here and so yeah, I want to put this through because I think
• 48:38
  this is one of the weaker episodes of the season and it's
• 48:41
  still great. So it's going for it.
• 48:42
  Yeah. Oh, yes, so I'm delaying it all
• 48:45
  but yeah, I agree that there are like I said, there are you know
• 48:48
  better and you know episodes here that I do think of deeper
• 48:54
  stronger, but like I said, I, you know, stay emotional thing
• 48:57
  for me and it's interesting, you know, Joe you you the bit with
• 49:00
  Ryan and the snipe Bots he picked up on his camera at a bit
• 49:04
  there and and what you've been annoyed by them not been out of
• 49:07
  him and it is so fascinating how Currently, yeah react to things
• 49:11
  but I think you know what I do think and Rob this is not a dig
• 49:14
  at you asshole. Maybe is it but I think if you
• 49:18
  don't take to an Era then something you go looking for
• 49:21
  problems. Sometimes I did it with Moffitt.
• 49:23
  I'm sure you know and yeah here is that you like you forgive
• 49:28
  Journey to the Center of the hardest and Nightmare in silver.
• 49:30
  Yeah, you know whereas you would be less linear.
• 49:33
  I think that's true. Anyway, we should probably move
• 49:36
  on. Yes.
• 49:36
  Let's move on here. I'm gonna I'm I've been thinking
• 49:42
  about this. Ever since I said knew I was
• 49:45
  going to do this so I am going to nominate Rosa.
• 49:51
  But the bin, oh, you can see Ian's not worked out how to play
• 50:03
  this game properly. Yeah.
• 50:04
  Oh bullets you now off you go. Oh well.
• 50:16
  Anyway, I'm going to say it. Um, the reason I want to bend
• 50:23
  this is because of all the things that are great about it.
• 50:28
  and then in the middle of it, you've got fucking Cresco and a
• 50:33
  really badly worked out plot, which every time I think about
• 50:36
  it, it drives me insane and I think there's a reason Oh,
• 50:42
  what's the name who wrote it and Jacqueline Blackman, but Mallory
• 50:49
  Blackman course that Mallory Blackman.
• 50:52
  Didn't do a lot of online stuff when this episode was going out
• 50:57
  because I think it got butchered by the co-writer.
• 51:00
  There's a lot there's a lot of So many great things in it and
• 51:07
  it's almost like it goes. Oh, this is really this is
• 51:10
  exactly how to do this era my God that's good.
• 51:13
  You know, it's really moving and then it ends up with that bit on
• 51:17
  the bus where you realize the doctor and Graham.
• 51:19
  I've got to stay there. It's amazing, but then they've
• 51:22
  got they've obviously tied themselves in knots.
• 51:25
  Why? Why does this plot?
• 51:27
  Why does this why can't he just go and shoot rows of perks then
• 51:31
  and so they have come with a good idea that he's got this
• 51:34
  you've got this limiter, but then it just doesn't quite oh,
• 51:38
  it just drives me mad things like that the villains just
• 51:41
  shoot the doctor in every story. Yeah, but you could say but
• 51:44
  yeah, but the whole thing about, you know about suspension of
• 51:49
  disbelief as he don't you go along with things and but but
• 51:53
  what I'm watching this, I'm like wait.
• 51:55
  No, he can't shoot Rosa Parks. He has a violence inhibitor in
• 51:59
  his head. He can't do it.
• 52:01
  Yeah. Yeah, but I think he was really
• 52:04
  against the plot contrivance. Oh, I'm always trying to figure
• 52:07
  out a way of stopping it without actually, you know his head
• 52:10
  going off. Hmm.
• 52:11
  Yeah, and but I just I just find Cresco absolutely Dreadful and
• 52:18
  you're right. He's very fuckable well, but he
• 52:24
  can pull through that an episode based on the fact that I can't
• 52:29
  yeah, that's true. You do have four days with
• 52:31
  established Joe. I'm not I'm not I'm bi and
• 52:35
  that's for you. Let's talk Fresco is terrible.
• 52:40
  That's going he's just terrible and I really I really find.
• 52:44
  This feels like it's feels like I'm simultaneously watching too
• 52:49
  drafts bying with one another there's some amazing lines.
• 52:53
  Amazing like it's really bold. and just just I love the bit
• 53:00
  where where where Jody's of taking on the racist, but I
• 53:06
  don't recognize anyone by that description being cool as I saw
• 53:09
  some amazing stuff in it. I mean, it has to pee word and a
• 53:12
  Doctor Who episode yeah, which is Jesus.
• 53:15
  That's something So so I mean in a weird way I'm saying this one
• 53:21
  should I'm basically picking this one for the bin because I
• 53:25
  it really annoys me when it when when everyone says this was the
• 53:29
  best season because it just wasn't.
• 53:30
  Um, it was a it's flawed. It's so flawed and it could have
• 53:35
  been perfect if I whatever happened if they just Left left
• 53:41
  left left it alone. Whatever whatever was just
• 53:43
  perfect about it. It's just something on awry with
• 53:47
  with the with the with the plot of it, which two words for you
• 53:51
  and Chris Chippenham. Hmm.
• 53:54
  Yes, I'm trying I'm trying not to say that out loud.
• 53:56
  But but I think that your opinion here is for the outlier,
• 54:01
  isn't it? Yeah, I guess so, but this is a
• 54:06
  very popular episode of Doctor Who?
• 54:09
  He is and he does work. He does educate and it does do
• 54:13
  lots of things. I just I'm almost I've been
• 54:19
  working out this argument in my head for like a couple of weeks
• 54:22
  and it's almost like I've gone I've got some what it was about
• 54:25
  the plot that I just like so much.
• 54:28
  Are you tired of yourself around?
• 54:31
  Yeah, if you kind of I'm kind of half doing it as a as a thought
• 54:35
  experiment anyway, because of the episode I want to win you
• 54:40
  probably played this incredibly badly and it's gonna go through
• 54:47
  anyway, um, because you guys are both gonna put it through um,
• 54:52
  but there are loads and loads of good things here.
• 54:54
  Um the the side as I mentioned up front, I mean obviously we're
• 55:00
  four white men talking about this but the first ship know
• 55:07
  being being a you know, there is something slightly uncomfortable
• 55:10
  about Cristiano has come along and he's he's gonna he's gonna
• 55:15
  sort everything out and I don't want to be one of those anti
• 55:19
  wankers, but it did make me think of my friends who aren't
• 55:24
  white who are actors and they all always kind of otherwise go.
• 55:29
  I've got Captain. Yeah, and they kind of go and
• 55:33
  call Jenny. Oh, they let's get to the
• 55:35
  question, but they can have like they're all I'm an Asian woman,
• 55:38
  but I'm always called Jenny or something or there's the other
• 55:41
  thing of his. Oh, I've got a part in
• 55:44
  something. Is it racism storyline?
• 55:46
  Yeah. It's a racism storyline and I
• 55:48
  think there's a little bit of that kind of Like I was saying
• 55:51
  up front about how to leads that are all season and doctor and
• 55:58
  there was a whole right as room on on his ear which was mixed
• 56:02
  race well and the directors and the road they did because I had
• 56:06
  to take it to the right is Guild or whatever the equivalent is
• 56:12
  over here because they don't have writers rooms over here.
• 56:14
  Right the US TV. Yeah.
• 56:17
  The right is Guild of Great Britain.
• 56:18
  But yeah, I mean by shooting that wall but it's production
• 56:22
  team was Far Far blacker than what is now.
• 56:26
  Oh I know but I still I still think there's um, I just if you
• 56:32
  listen to the episode with Christmas, He talks about the
• 56:41
  the right woman having to get it.
• 56:44
  Off basically to be you know, something like a dude.
• 56:48
  Yeah, and you feel like you're on the fence now. no, no, I
• 56:52
  think I think I think I've I think I've basically Started
• 56:57
  bold and I've lost I've lost my lost my confidence in because I
• 57:01
  don't you argument. I was I only have believed what
• 57:04
  I was saying, but that's just stick with all I should say is
• 57:07
  this must not win? Oh, okay fair and you you don't
• 57:11
  have to you don't have to pretend to not like any of it.
• 57:14
  Should we go to the comments? Okay, Jason Thompson says it
• 57:20
  shows up all those who don't get the Sci-Fi tackles realist using
• 57:23
  imaginative ways because you take away all the Sci-Fi
• 57:26
  slippery until I'm actually historical story and people
• 57:29
  don't like it because it's uncomfortable.
• 57:30
  That's the whole point Ryan and he has his Frank conversation
• 57:34
  about the races and they experience in the 21st century
• 57:36
  was doubly uncomfortable because Mandeep and so sin could easily
• 57:40
  have that same conversation Jack Koya says, I have a problem with
• 57:44
  the final scene and is emblematic of my issues with the
• 57:46
  chipmunk wearer prioritizing symbolic cosmetic changes over
• 57:50
  more systemic action, the doctor literally Praises a symbol
• 57:55
  dedicated to Rosa Parks in space.
• 57:56
  I love that scene. We would have been better off
• 57:59
  seeing how roses advocacy made its presence felt in the present
• 58:03
  day and the Parkinson says a great basis for storing.
• 58:06
  All the bits around roads are really good.
• 58:08
  But Downey Zuko space Nazi get in the bone crash dummy a
• 58:13
  masterpiece such tension and confidence the doctor having to
• 58:16
  watch History unfold and not being able to intervene is such
• 58:19
  a great moment. Luke's drunken says a classic
• 58:22
  feels like a good mix of old and new who though the old show
• 58:25
  would never have touched the subject matter.
• 58:27
  I really feel for Graham Big Orange Michael an interesting
• 58:31
  throwback to Pure historical was the villain seemed to get away
• 58:34
  without the doctor punishing him really starts to stand out but
• 58:37
  I'll still say keep it James Larks is it looks great, but the
• 58:40
  writing falls short the half baked them unnecessary five
• 58:43
  sci-fi plot of strand. If you feel your story about
• 58:46
  Rose Parks needs to 20th century characters pointing out how
• 58:50
  awful racism is, you're not telling it properly Daniel
• 58:54
  Knight and exceptional example of the celebrity Hospital.
• 58:56
  Oh an exceptional example of the celebrity historical.
• 59:00
  The net Robinson is Pitch Perfect as Rosa Parks.
• 59:04
  The final moments on the bus are heartbreaking Bradley Walsh
• 59:07
  steals our hearts. So it breaks our hearts when
• 59:09
  Graham realized. He mustn't move out his seat.
• 59:12
  Michael storms has a vast Improvement.
• 59:14
  Even if it does come across a bit like the naughty book of
• 59:16
  civil rights movements kudos for tackling such a sensitive
• 59:20
  subject. Not sure that space racist with
• 59:22
  a gun from Blake 7 limiter was needed deliveries lovely
• 59:26
  episode. We've come a long way from the
• 59:28
  white privilege of tenant brushing offers concerns about
• 59:31
  being black in his history also. Thank you Dylan hotspace racist
• 59:37
  And those are three words, you don't usually expect to say
• 59:40
  Antonio news and finally says serious full blooded and nuanced
• 59:44
  one of the best of the year. So Jeff, are you going to follow
• 59:49
  Ian's bold move and check out Rosa?
• 59:52
  Could I just I've just remembered what it is that I
• 59:55
  didn't say before which is it's the it's the way they don't he's
• 1:00:01
  from the 67th century and I think I mentioned this one dot
• 1:00:04
  and bubble kind of that. People are still that racist in
• 1:00:08
  the 67th Century. I think that wasn't very good
• 1:00:11
  World building the need to be no, but I felt I felt I felt it
• 1:00:17
  was more needed in terms of making him a more fleshed out
• 1:00:22
  more evil character because he just doesn't seem convincing.
• 1:00:26
  It's he's from the 67th century and this is where things started
• 1:00:31
  to go wrong. I don't see that line.
• 1:00:34
  Like it's it's it's weird and simplified.
• 1:00:37
  I don't get it as well building at all.
• 1:00:40
  Why is somebody in the 67th century?
• 1:00:43
  Like several centuries, you know 20th centuries after Captain
• 1:00:48
  Jack. Why is he racist?
• 1:00:51
  Where is he from? Why is he just some guy think
• 1:00:54
  the point is that it's it's not you know, it's not going away.
• 1:00:58
  You know, we'd like to my my head can I don't do headcount
• 1:01:03
  and stuff very much because I think that way lies
• 1:01:06
  disappointment for one so I don't my name.
• 1:01:09
  Is he grew up on the planet? We saw in Dutton bubble.
• 1:01:13
  Yeah. Yeah, you know right now for
• 1:01:16
  cutaway Comics are you know, no came from find time and he went
• 1:01:22
  back. So I'm going to keep this one or
• 1:01:24
  bin it. That's the question.
• 1:01:26
  Why don't you take a guess? I think probably Jeff I'm
• 1:01:30
  guessing you are probably gonna I don't know why but I'm
• 1:01:33
  probably gonna guess you're going to keep are you anything
• 1:01:36
  this year? In his thinking they're probably
• 1:01:40
  gonna want me to bin something. I really would and I will I
• 1:01:52
  think this one I saw about Rosa Parks and stuff.
• 1:01:59
  But this kind of dove into it in a lot more detail than I knew or
• 1:02:05
  maybe remembered, you know, I was at school a long time ago.
• 1:02:08
  My memory is not what it was and and it's the same with demons of
• 1:02:12
  the Punjab. You know, I was you know,
• 1:02:14
  ashamedly not really aware of all of that and that kind of,
• 1:02:17
  you know, open my eyes to you know, some some awful stuff from
• 1:02:21
  our recent past so rows are kind of and again, you know, it was
• 1:02:27
  quite an emotive episode really and For me, I knew that we were
• 1:02:33
  in for something good when? and I don't mean that well, so
• 1:02:38
  when Ryan gets slapped me the beginning and I thought Christ
• 1:02:41
  that's quite you know, Suddenly It's tackling something with
• 1:02:46
  with, you know, it's a real world issue and they're not
• 1:02:50
  dressing it up in sci-fi flying it or anything, you know, they
• 1:02:53
  were, you know facing it for real as it were and I just was
• 1:02:57
  gripped by the whole thing and and you know, like someone Grimm
• 1:03:02
  You know realizes he has to stay on the bus and everything and
• 1:03:05
  they kind of get pushed into that at the end like goddess.
• 1:03:08
  It's no one breaks your heart like Bradley Walsh.
• 1:03:11
  Oh, yeah, and also Jodi's face when she you know, she she knows
• 1:03:15
  like they have to stay but also there's there's so much fun
• 1:03:19
  stuff in here as well Graham and his sandwich, you know, he's
• 1:03:22
  takes a sandwich at work because he gets hungry or was this one
• 1:03:26
  where he wants the sandwich and he can't get one and then later
• 1:03:28
  this is what he wants to somewhere just a later he starts
• 1:03:31
  taking that's the big payoff Jeff.
• 1:03:33
  That's the big story arc of the season.
• 1:03:36
  It's great. I'm someone Ryan.
• 1:03:41
  Yes, so worn and I think you know, if you've ever had a I got
• 1:03:52
  the doctors, you know, writing and Graham says, oh, you know,
• 1:04:01
  you like banks in you know, She says oh you give us in the same
• 1:04:04
  room. How do you know I'm not him.
• 1:04:06
  So and then there's a bit with the policeman and grandchildren
• 1:04:10
  that the doctors is is wife and he puts his hand on her shoulder
• 1:04:13
  and Jody just this little look like what you know, the contact
• 1:04:17
  is a bit weird for her, you know for her doctor just lots of
• 1:04:22
  little moments like that. I kind of think in Rich there.
• 1:04:25
  Each of the characters and their relationships together. and and
• 1:04:29
  for Cresco, yeah, you could say, you know, he's, you know a
• 1:04:37
  fairly sort of flimsy character in some ways, but I think it
• 1:04:41
  achieves a purpose in the episode and it again it doesn't
• 1:04:45
  really bother me that he's not kind of hugely fledged out
• 1:04:49
  because it's not about him, you know in it's about Rosa and
• 1:04:53
  sometimes I think you know, I say this to Paul maybe I'm a bit
• 1:04:56
  stupid and and you know, just kind of like, oh, yeah, I really
• 1:05:00
  liked that, but I don't think I think I said I react you know to
• 1:05:06
  help make me feel more than what the kind of plot mechanics might
• 1:05:09
  be and stuff like that and and this I found very powerful and
• 1:05:13
  it showed me your stupid at all. So thanks, Joe all the slip the
• 1:05:17
  check to you and the post-work just imagine how great this
• 1:05:21
  would be if it had a really good villain in it as well.
• 1:05:24
  Well that worries. Yeah it yeah, it would have
• 1:05:28
  taken it to six stars, you know out five but you know, it
• 1:05:32
  doesn't matter to me because everything else is so strong and
• 1:05:37
  so effective in it and I think that This is when I felt like
• 1:05:43
  oh, yeah, this series is doing something.
• 1:05:46
  Quite different now and we'd have three episodes that were.
• 1:05:50
  You know distinctly different like you were saying Joe, you
• 1:05:55
  know, it's it's everything about each one is is really different
• 1:05:58
  and substantially so and I felt yeah, there's there's a lot
• 1:06:02
  going on here that is fresher and newer and Bolder than we'd
• 1:06:07
  had in any of it to that point. And also I just popped into my
• 1:06:12
  head. I love the secrets that this era
• 1:06:15
  had as well you do you remember when we knew what the first
• 1:06:19
  couple of episodes of this series were that then and so
• 1:06:24
  anger was you know, that was up coming up.
• 1:06:26
  We didn't know what was coming out passed off to that and they
• 1:06:30
  said the witch finders. Oh so about what that sounds
• 1:06:32
  exciting. I like a bit of spooky Doctor
• 1:06:34
  Who so it was for me really exciting not knowing literally
• 1:06:39
  what was happening from week to week on it and and all the way,
• 1:06:43
  you know, there was so many secrets and stuff contained
• 1:06:46
  within this series and like kept you know, it's not like At the
• 1:06:51
  moment where you can read the entire series synopsis on Reddit
• 1:06:55
  at the moment, you know, I do think the current series can
• 1:06:58
  still surprise, but I know yeah. Yeah and it is a balance, you
• 1:07:05
  know, I understand or TD wanting to And more fat did it as well,
• 1:07:09
  you know to to, you know, hook the viewer in and give a tease
• 1:07:13
  and stuff. But I think sometimes you know,
• 1:07:15
  we can go too far, you know give too much stuff away and as well
• 1:07:19
  as also just genuine, you know, spoiler stuff getting leaked and
• 1:07:22
  ruining things, you know. Joe let's go to you Rosa.
• 1:07:28
  One of the best Doctor Who historicals ever listened
• 1:07:33
  directed acted it's a call back to the historicals of season
• 1:07:37
  one. So this is Chip will literally
• 1:07:40
  doing you know, his Marco Polo or whatever a very serious
• 1:07:44
  historical with a point to it. I think it attacks racism with
• 1:07:48
  passion. It truly does show you what
• 1:07:51
  people went through then and now, you know and the point that
• 1:07:55
  conversation between yes and Royal is to show that this is
• 1:07:59
  still going on now the word which is the point of two Ian
• 1:08:03
  and that's all the point of Cresco because that's the fruit
• 1:08:06
  that is still happens in the future.
• 1:08:07
  This thing is not going away. We need episodes like Don
• 1:08:10
  Bubbles as well to remind us to hold that mirror up and say this
• 1:08:14
  stuff is happening right now again, it looks amazing this
• 1:08:18
  episode it genuinely looks like America back in how does cord if
• 1:08:22
  you've written here is vile. Irritatingly fuckable now we are
• 1:08:30
  ideologically different but I do want to lick his ass over every
• 1:08:34
  time it's on the screen. So And he brings the best out of
• 1:08:38
  Jodie Whittaker because this is a first time we see a really
• 1:08:41
  fucking angry so that bit where he chokes her in the thing and
• 1:08:45
  they're right in each other's faces.
• 1:08:47
  That's a really tense thing the bit when they're on the silos
• 1:08:50
  and she walks away and Jazz goes.
• 1:08:52
  Well, we leave it and look on Jody's face when she goes
• 1:08:55
  absolutely not her hair's all over her face.
• 1:08:58
  She looks so powerful and then face when she's on the bus at
• 1:09:03
  the end of the episode the look in her face where she realizes
• 1:09:06
  she's gotta be a part of his history.
• 1:09:08
  It's some of Jodie Whittaker's best work of the season.
• 1:09:10
  I think, you know, it's just as angry as the others, but it's
• 1:09:17
  it's less Showboating in some ways when she shows it when she
• 1:09:22
  shows us still sorry to skip to another season.
• 1:09:24
  I bet where she shuts her master down.
• 1:09:26
  Oh, yeah, you know just be on the other end of that.
• 1:09:31
  Yeah, when she snaps at Yeahs and once upon a time when she's
• 1:09:34
  been pulled out of the she can absolutely do it, but I think
• 1:09:37
  the real reason this has to go through is not just because it
• 1:09:40
  educates at it entertains. It's for vinette Robinson's
• 1:09:44
  house standing turn as Rosa Parks.
• 1:09:47
  I think she's effortlessly likeable.
• 1:09:49
  We're on the side with her immediately and we're just
• 1:09:52
  appalled the bit at the beginning where he drags her off
• 1:09:55
  the bus that's one of the hardest things to watch.
• 1:09:57
  You can't believe stuff like this happened.
• 1:10:00
  Not that long ago. It's powerful.
• 1:10:03
  It's moving its intelligent television if we're gonna do
• 1:10:07
  Sunday night drama as Dr. Who This is the perfect way to do it
• 1:10:11
  and and the shows, you know, science fictional.
• 1:10:14
  We were saying earlier it can tackle this kind of stuff and
• 1:10:18
  You know do it just as well as I you know, genuine drama can you
• 1:10:24
  know this isn't yeah a time traveling as well.
• 1:10:27
  Yeah, exactly my different, you know watching this with my eight
• 1:10:31
  year old and just saying He was just he was just going just
• 1:10:35
  seeing you about it. But then just saying the fact
• 1:10:39
  that there were the words white and black on the seats.
• 1:10:42
  He was just like he literally had his mouth open and what what
• 1:10:47
  so it was you know, I mean, yeah, let's can we just can we
• 1:10:52
  just edit it so that I've put it Forward.
• 1:10:53
  Yes, we've done this before just don't want it to win and it's
• 1:11:01
  got it could have in a way. It was so good that I really
• 1:11:04
  really annoyed that it was let down and it could have been it
• 1:11:10
  could be made even better. Yeah.
• 1:11:11
  This won't get just the year even after his brilliant.
• 1:11:15
  Yeah, yeah just it could have just been so good.
• 1:11:19
  I'm not moving to me and I'm not going to put this through either
• 1:11:22
  because I thought I was going to be the soul force of discontent
• 1:11:25
  song this one so but I'm not what did what have you done it
• 1:11:32
  Ian you fool. I should have message you in the
• 1:11:34
  France put it through. Yeah, but if one of you had
• 1:11:41
  advocated and the other three of us would not play this.
• 1:11:45
  Yeah contact. No, this one's not for me is an
• 1:11:52
  important story to tell absolutely it is because I don't
• 1:11:54
  think it's very well known in the UK.
• 1:11:56
  Is it good basis for a doctor? Whose story?
• 1:11:58
  Yeah, probably is. Is it a good basis for a doctor
• 1:12:01
  whose story being told the way that the story is told?
• 1:12:04
  No, that's where I fall down on this one.
• 1:12:08
  So for me the first thing is what is the story about?
• 1:12:11
  So let's leave out the kind of emotional and moral and ethical
• 1:12:15
  heft of the story and we're left with story about.
• 1:12:18
  Yeah, we left with no take from the Doctor Who show take the
• 1:12:23
  take a racism elements out of it unlock of the plotting of it.
• 1:12:27
  What is the plotting of the story is all about getting us on
• 1:12:32
  that boss. So Rosa Park is kickoff it and
• 1:12:35
  that comes down to a really kind of vanilla Battle of the buses.
• 1:12:39
  it just Doesn't work for me as a story.
• 1:12:42
  We're dealing with really important issues and we have all
• 1:12:45
  this crappy nonsense about you put up some posters.
• 1:12:48
  I'm going to take the posters down you damage the bus.
• 1:12:51
  I'm gonna find a new bus you change the rotor we change the
• 1:12:55
  route. It just feels very that doesn't
• 1:12:58
  engage me as modern powerful drama.
• 1:13:00
  The message is powerful and I'm not disputing that but the way
• 1:13:05
  the story is told does not work like it around with a fever but
• 1:13:10
  on a mop from scene to scene know in the same sort of thing.
• 1:13:13
  No, I just find I just find it too.
• 1:13:16
  Try to it's interesting Joe you talk about season one because I
• 1:13:19
  do get season 1 5 for this because the way they tell the
• 1:13:22
  story it's what irritates me at the end of so reign of terror
• 1:13:25
  where you got the scene wouldn't apply and you've just got
• 1:13:28
  Barbara and then looking on the thing, it's Napoleon and
• 1:13:31
  watching from a distance and it's like same kind of thing
• 1:13:34
  here. We've got the impotence of the
• 1:13:36
  main characters just being observers and watching on I'm
• 1:13:40
  not I just doesn't engage me terribly because they're not
• 1:13:43
  involved in the story. What I would want to see more of
• 1:13:47
  is the implication of roses actions on the community and we
• 1:13:51
  see that in Punjab later on. I don't want to you know, shoot
• 1:13:54
  my load early on and say what I feel about that but we see the
• 1:13:58
  we see the repercussions of partition on a single family
• 1:14:02
  here by coming to the the actual architects of what's going on.
• 1:14:06
  I think you lose it because you've got to stick true to that
• 1:14:09
  story. You don't want to sci-fi rows
• 1:14:11
  the parks up. So you're left and you kind of
• 1:14:14
  constrained into telling us a story the fit the historical
• 1:14:17
  fact and I think as a result of that it makes your main
• 1:14:20
  characters a bit impotent and there's another great example of
• 1:14:23
  Joe's and see which does it take me.
• 1:14:27
  When Ryan gets hit by the man in the car.
• 1:14:30
  I want the doctor at that point intervene.
• 1:14:32
  I want to take the moral High Ground.
• 1:14:34
  I want to do something. She doesn't she's very passive.
• 1:14:37
  She's considering she almost apologized the Gap so we don't
• 1:14:41
  want any trouble and it's up to Rosa to come along and intervene
• 1:14:46
  on the situation that sits quite uncomfortably on me roses very
• 1:14:51
  passive as well. She's so she actually It's just
• 1:14:55
  worse with that be for Ryan if she had done that.
• 1:15:02
  Yeah, that's what you know, the doctor has not, you know reacted
• 1:15:06
  the way we would have liked because they've already probably
• 1:15:09
  treading Dangerous Ground by having Ryan and Yaz in the gang
• 1:15:13
  and then when he's been slapped to for them pushed back, you
• 1:15:17
  know that could take things in a whole other.
• 1:15:20
  I'm not suggesting she stands up and does a huge Colin Baker
• 1:15:23
  showboating. I want to see a bit of Anger
• 1:15:26
  from I want to I've already said that point we don't we see her
• 1:15:32
  apologetic and considerate the wrong way to do this.
• 1:15:35
  So the wrong way to do this is thin ice where people just
• 1:15:38
  punches that guy in the face and we're playing comedy races.
• 1:15:41
  Oh, yeah. I'm not suggesting that we did
• 1:15:45
  we take that broke, but I want to see more from the doctrine
• 1:15:48
  that point than being apologized to the guy who's clearly racist
• 1:15:51
  and just punched right? I want to see Heart from
• 1:15:57
  apologizing to him being the point of that is the Injustice
• 1:16:01
  that people did have to step down and let this stuff happen.
• 1:16:04
  But this is that's the point. I want the doctor to do
• 1:16:07
  something a bit more. She is our off.
• 1:16:10
  She is our moral pathway through these stories.
• 1:16:12
  I want to see her do react. I don't want to see a punch him
• 1:16:16
  in the face. I just want Some bit of fire
• 1:16:20
  from her I want to see some emotion other than being
• 1:16:23
  apologetic and concealer and submissive and that took me the
• 1:16:28
  best thing to do there was to get him out of that situation
• 1:16:30
  immediately before it grew up. I think because in the end of
• 1:16:34
  the day it blew up he was gonna be the one on the receiving end
• 1:16:37
  of that. Man's.
• 1:16:39
  Oh, yeah. Yeah, we've seen I think what
• 1:16:42
  will agree to disagree on that one.
• 1:16:44
  Um, secondly, I just find out a little all a little bit too much
• 1:16:49
  on the nose. I started thinking about this I
• 1:16:51
  watch this before Dot and bubble came on and I was going to say
• 1:16:54
  if we tackling something like races, I mean Doctor Who which
• 1:16:57
  sci-fi store program I kind of like my preferred approach is
• 1:17:02
  the kind of analogy because I think that works really well as
• 1:17:06
  it did in dots and Bobble more than you know, some people might
• 1:17:09
  not this isn't a documentary drama.
• 1:17:14
  This is a Sci-Fi. Slowly I did and I'm not
• 1:17:20
  excusing or apologizing for that at all.
• 1:17:22
  What I'm saying is does that make good doctor who I'm not
• 1:17:26
  saying? Yes.
• 1:17:27
  Okay for me it does it for me. It doesn't.
• 1:17:30
  Yeah, it's two on the nose. It's just too it's a little bit
• 1:17:36
  ladybird book of Rosa Parks. It is about I'm reminded and so
• 1:17:40
  back back in the 80s image did a Lampoon of Boy George brought
• 1:17:45
  out an anti-war song called the war song That's bigger image did
• 1:17:48
  a Lampoon offer and the lyrics were Wars naughty very naughty
• 1:17:52
  and people who go to war and naughty people and it's they
• 1:17:56
  were taking a piss out of her and that's kind of how I feel
• 1:17:59
  this story works. It's a little bit too much like
• 1:18:02
  racism is not say it just it's Too.
• 1:18:05
  It's too crazy. I think the uncles.
• 1:18:09
  Point is that these people have this stuff thrown in their faces
• 1:18:12
  in a very unsorted way because white people did not have to
• 1:18:16
  protect that they didn't like black people if it had been
• 1:18:19
  subtle a new one and microaggressions.
• 1:18:23
  This episode would not make it you've got a hit it hard for it
• 1:18:27
  to be effective and to really get that message home how bad it
• 1:18:31
  all is. I think I think it's I think
• 1:18:34
  it's in between I do think there's a bit of a ladybird book
• 1:18:37
  of Rosa. And but the same time. maybe for
• 1:18:42
  one episode that's fine, but it's but then there were times
• 1:18:45
  when it really is sort of and that is when they're dealing
• 1:18:47
  with people and and and and you know Jody's Jody's having to
• 1:18:52
  bite her lip, and she's saying, you know, and she's not, you
• 1:18:56
  know, she's lying but But Lying by omission and it's just some
• 1:19:01
  really subtle bits in it. And I think it's a weird.
• 1:19:05
  Mixture that's what irritates me about it as a thing because it
• 1:19:08
  could have been could be all Billy written. as I think maybe
• 1:19:14
  there's a draft somewhere that was and we had a proper villain
• 1:19:17
  who was probably too nasty because instead of just being
• 1:19:21
  I'm a racist that's why if he was actually a properly
• 1:19:24
  developed racist. Maybe he was too much for Doctor
• 1:19:27
  Who at this point possibly. Yeah, possibly and and I and I
• 1:19:32
  do also think It's it was such a ladybird.
• 1:19:35
  I mean the fact we Rose aparts. A little known facts, but it's
• 1:19:40
  just there is they had a meeting and they all agreed whoever gets
• 1:19:44
  asked to move next time. It happens to you.
• 1:19:47
  Don't move. It wasn't just a random in the
• 1:19:49
  moment thing. Somebody was going to refuse to
• 1:19:52
  get off the bus from that meeting that was a planned
• 1:19:56
  action they were going to do I think it just happened to be
• 1:19:59
  it's working. But yeah, maybe somewhere I
• 1:20:03
  think he's so unusual. I do think there are people out
• 1:20:08
  there like Cresco who are incredibly racist and do
• 1:20:12
  appalling things all the time. I don't think he's as
• 1:20:15
  unbelievable a villain as as you're suggesting that he is
• 1:20:19
  because I live in a very conservative town and I'll see
• 1:20:22
  Heavy races of all the time. Yeah.
• 1:20:25
  Yeah, but it's it's in terms of drama and going why is this?
• 1:20:31
  Why is this happened to the 67th Century isn't just oh, of
• 1:20:34
  course. It's happening in the 67th
• 1:20:36
  Century. It's it's it needs addressing as
• 1:20:38
  a when you interrogate in your script you need to go and it's
• 1:20:42
  not just it needs addressing its this will make for a really
• 1:20:45
  interesting piece of World building.
• 1:20:47
  That was my one bit with and bubble was wow, they're racists
• 1:20:50
  and the future and and you know, Millie Gibson Scouts it goes you
• 1:20:55
  still have battery problems, but she doesn't go you still have
• 1:20:57
  races them and maybe and I think I've I think I remember somebody
• 1:21:02
  that I'm saying I completely don't question.
• 1:21:06
  That they have racism in the future because you know because
• 1:21:08
  there's racism everywhere and I'm not receiving end of it.
• 1:21:12
  So I get that but just from the writer in me was just like I'd
• 1:21:16
  like a bit more. Why are you racist?
• 1:21:19
  Why are you that mad that in the 67th century when the human race
• 1:21:23
  is spread across a thousand galaxies?
• 1:21:27
  Why are you still bothered about Rosa Parks and things like that
• 1:21:30
  now? I don't know so mad with other
• 1:21:33
  people when we're ready. Yes this planet.
• 1:21:36
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and but the fact is just
• 1:21:39
  having a bit more of The Madness of his position racism is
• 1:21:44
  madness and I'm trying to fix non-big tree just stupid.
• 1:21:48
  And the reason it's happened in this form is a really recent
• 1:21:52
  historical thing from the way races of the races have been
• 1:21:57
  viewed. We all can't Whatever whatever
• 1:22:00
  ethnicity you are. We're all stuck in this colonial
• 1:22:04
  slavery era Imperial version of of race and the human race for
• 1:22:12
  most of his history didn't have that.
• 1:22:14
  And so for some reason we're stuck thinking of that's how
• 1:22:18
  they're going to be in a 67% Century, but this is called
• 1:22:22
  Rosa. So that right suggest you wear
• 1:22:24
  the attention is pointing. No, yes, six or seventh century
• 1:22:28
  but no but but we need both when you writing a script you go.
• 1:22:33
  Who's who's the antagonist you have the doctor and you have and
• 1:22:37
  you have the villain and the villain is is a like a weird
• 1:22:41
  afterthought. I'm a racist not the villain.
• 1:22:45
  It's the bus driver. He's the villain in this story
• 1:22:47
  was its know but he's not both villains but he's a secondary
• 1:22:52
  villain. The main villain is is a bit of
• 1:22:55
  a wet Cipher of us. Nothing crazy does worse and
• 1:22:58
  dragging her off that baths. So the main villain is the
• 1:23:01
  entire neighborhood in terms of structure.
• 1:23:05
  He yeah, he does that and it's awful, but he he is he is not
• 1:23:11
  the villain the doctor that you know, just the the doctor is the
• 1:23:17
  hero and the antagonist is this weird wet racist.
• 1:23:23
  Who buys I don't who I don't believe I don't believe Roger
• 1:23:27
  better finish your argument of what I'm done.
• 1:23:30
  We're moving into the next. Oh, is it me?
• 1:23:35
  It's future. Oh lovely.
• 1:23:37
  I would like to Champion. What I think is possibly the
• 1:23:43
  best episode of the Season no second best and that is it takes
• 1:23:47
  you away by Ed Sheeran, which I think he's singularly the most
• 1:23:52
  unique episode of this season because it all from Nordic
• 1:23:57
  horror to dark science fiction fantasy to conceptual weirdness
• 1:24:01
  to emotional drama to Absolute wonder of the universe within 45
• 1:24:07
  minutes. It's switches.
• 1:24:09
  A time but again and it does it evocatively atmospherically it
• 1:24:15
  switches tones visually as well. It's basically all of Doctor Who
• 1:24:19
  in 45 minutes everything you could do with the with the
• 1:24:23
  concept of dog. So and it doesn't feel rushed
• 1:24:25
  either know and this episode is so good for so many reasons but
• 1:24:30
  a lot of people don't like it because it's got fucking frog on
• 1:24:33
  a chair. I'll get there Jeff don't you
• 1:24:35
  and I think if you've got a problem with a fog on a chair
• 1:24:38
  like the egg being the Moon being an egg, you know a show of
• 1:24:42
  a guy in a police box that travels through time.
• 1:24:45
  Maybe it's not for you or we've already had a frog on a chair
• 1:24:48
  and forth to Doomsday. You think they're used to that
• 1:24:50
  on now. Um, so I just love how malleable
• 1:24:54
  this story is and yeah, just how you uniquely it's sort of morphs
• 1:24:58
  itself every 10 minutes into a completely different episode
• 1:25:01
  while still being a constructed piece of work.
• 1:25:04
  It is a beautiful beautiful script.
• 1:25:07
  I love Pins and everything that comes to have his mouth to be
• 1:25:13
  alone, please. You know, I will take you to see
• 1:25:16
  missing Daddy every every one of his lies and all of those things
• 1:25:20
  in the anti Zone which feels to me like I was so nice straight
• 1:25:24
  out the Sylvester McCoy era the flesh moths.
• 1:25:27
  Absolutely. Chili.
• 1:25:28
  I mean after did, you know, anyway, did you know there was a
• 1:25:32
  monster that the spindle monster?
• 1:25:34
  Yeah. He didn't know Chris said that
• 1:25:39
  it looked great on paper and then when they saw on screen
• 1:25:42
  they were like that's not working.
• 1:25:44
  So they should have done that in before the flood with that
• 1:25:46
  enormous monster in that should that's great.
• 1:25:51
  He moves that became a bigger part of the anti Zone stuff
• 1:25:56
  because of the spindle disappearing it does it does the
• 1:26:00
  horror really? Well, it does the sort of
• 1:26:03
  Science in the anti Zone extremely well, but the thing it
• 1:26:05
  does best is gave Bradley Walsh. Is it Walsh know?
• 1:26:11
  Yes break my heart. Oh, please don't do this to me.
• 1:26:21
  Yeah. It is heartbreaking.
• 1:26:23
  He has a lot of moments this year where he subtly just plays
• 1:26:26
  the emotions. I just thought to say that
• 1:26:29
  Bradley was a bit of a revelation to me in in this
• 1:26:34
  series and and I should've learned by now, but every time
• 1:26:37
  who casts a Media and I think oh God Katherine Tate.
• 1:26:41
  Oh God turns out to be brilliant Matt Lucas.
• 1:26:44
  Oh God turns out to be brilliant Bradley Walsh turns out to be
• 1:26:48
  brilliant John Bishop turns out to be brilliant.
• 1:26:50
  I should just accept it by now, you know, but it's, you know,
• 1:26:55
  it's true often. The comedic actors can do the
• 1:26:57
  drama stuff brilliantly and you know the best, you know,
• 1:27:01
  Bradley's comedy is very kind of you know understated in this he
• 1:27:06
  really does give it a great dramatic performance across it
• 1:27:09
  all. And the last reason I would like
• 1:27:12
  to put this through is because I think the doctors had many hero
• 1:27:16
  moments throughout this season, but she has a ultimate hero and
• 1:27:20
  this and it's not Capaldi coming out the Tardis and threatening
• 1:27:23
  monsters and it's not Matt Smith on the roof of a building
• 1:27:26
  threatening monsters because that's what we figured.
• 1:27:29
  That's all the doctor can do. That's his hero moment.
• 1:27:31
  He's in really against the bad guys know it's her blowing a
• 1:27:36
  kiss to something wondrous and spectacular that she's seen
• 1:27:40
  embracing The Madness of the universe and she's Creative and
• 1:27:45
  audiences. I love that scene that she's in
• 1:27:48
  all of it. And she prepared to Great is a
• 1:27:50
  problem Chase. So ridiculous.
• 1:27:52
  I sent you a universe is a frog on the chair.
• 1:27:55
  It's so Doctor Who? Yeah, and she's prepared to give
• 1:27:59
  up everything to stay there and be friends with it.
• 1:28:01
  And the fact that I don't think she even better lit in the
• 1:28:05
  Heritage around she looks I mean I'd ever and that's saying she
• 1:28:08
  looks and but just just a blow of the case.
• 1:28:11
  I think it is. Oh probably the best moment of
• 1:28:14
  the season I think everything it takes you away on paper.
• 1:28:17
  It shouldn't work. It's doing too much.
• 1:28:19
  It's got a lot of characters in there.
• 1:28:21
  It's changing his tone. Every five minutes magic hit the
• 1:28:25
  screen something really went right here and I still
• 1:28:29
  maintained this should have been the finale of the Season it
• 1:28:33
  would have been a really Brave move to do something this
• 1:28:35
  conceptual and weird at the end of the season and to make just
• 1:28:39
  that very subtle moment between grandma and Ryan where he
• 1:28:42
  causing Granddad. Oh, that's that's The emotional
• 1:28:44
  payoff. Yeah, that's what we've been
• 1:28:46
  waiting for Shoulda stopped here.
• 1:28:47
  Yeah, but can I just say that it home?
• 1:28:52
  He did deliver the goods here. And then he took it up and Notch
• 1:28:56
  with orphaned before. A little bit where the where the
• 1:29:01
  fuck is that mute button, because what he's done is we've
• 1:29:05
  taken the he's taking a bit of aliens and a bit of The Truman
• 1:29:09
  Show and he's blended it through Dr. Who he's made something very
• 1:29:13
  special there. Oh Jeff about you could have
• 1:29:15
  been on serious 12 right now on that one swiftly onto the
• 1:29:20
  comments Darren it around says, I'm quite fond of this one.
• 1:29:23
  Is it so atypical? I love ribbons as a character.
• 1:29:26
  I'm performance and the Frog on the chair with Grace's voice
• 1:29:29
  will never not make me laugh. Melvin Pena says Doctor Who had
• 1:29:33
  never been as unapologetically bizarre since the Daytona Jody
• 1:29:37
  breathlessly described in the beauty of the universe to the
• 1:29:40
  frog is one of the series defining triumphs and you might
• 1:29:44
  start was a Nordic style Chiller but there's so many half-baked
• 1:29:47
  ideas here. Kevin is creepy as ribbons, but
• 1:29:50
  he's character is killed off too quickly and frankly.
• 1:29:52
  I just don't get all like the Frog he's killed by Lord of
• 1:29:56
  disgusting moths is flesh. It's wonderful Jason Thompson.
• 1:30:00
  How could you been an episode with the balls to give us a
• 1:30:03
  sentient Universe in the form of a talking frog on a chair?
• 1:30:05
  I've just said that. Oh, we all know it was coming
• 1:30:09
  when Ryan finally called Graham Granddad.
• 1:30:11
  I wheeled up a little Michael storms.
• 1:30:13
  Does it starts off creepy anomalous building up to what is
• 1:30:16
  essentially a Sci-Fi take on the siren myth.
• 1:30:19
  I quite like the talking frog and Graham Coming to Terms about
• 1:30:22
  Grace's death is still to be handled unfortunately.
• 1:30:25
  Abusing Eric knocks it in the bin.
• 1:30:27
  Yeah, that is weird. Right that Andy Parkinson a
• 1:30:31
  creepy and Atmospheric basis of a story that fails to deliver on
• 1:30:34
  its promise the dad is so selfish.
• 1:30:37
  He's almost unlikable Graham seems with grace are lovely
• 1:30:40
  though again. Not terrible.
• 1:30:41
  Just middling Big Orange. Michael says triple has
• 1:30:45
  admitted. This one needed a bit more work.
• 1:30:46
  I can't say this is incorrect. I kept expecting villains who
• 1:30:49
  haven't got their come up and to come back again, but it never
• 1:30:52
  happened Bennett James log. I know this has its fans.
• 1:30:55
  Yeah me but it's another one that left very little impression
• 1:30:58
  on me. I can remember it's worth noting
• 1:31:00
  James like did go on to love this era in 12 and 13.
• 1:31:03
  I think he just that issues with this season.
• 1:31:05
  I can remember the imagery typically for this season is
• 1:31:08
  handsomely mounted and beautifully scored, but I wasn't
• 1:31:11
  always invested in what was happening.
• 1:31:13
  Is an interesting meditation on guilt loss in the age old Doctor
• 1:31:17
  Who concept of the memory cheats recurring theme throughout the
• 1:31:21
  series has been people who are so focused on searching for what
• 1:31:23
  they could have had that they feel to see the good that from
• 1:31:26
  them which comes to the Forefront here still a racer.
• 1:31:29
  Why is man says an all-time classic again telling a new type
• 1:31:33
  of story people have a go at it for the dad being a bad parent,
• 1:31:36
  but people are and do terrible things when dealing with grief
• 1:31:40
  and mental illness. Our men to that delivers the
• 1:31:44
  frog is a stroke of Genius the flesh moth suitably grotesque
• 1:31:48
  and ribbons is a great character Joel featherston said the Frog
• 1:31:52
  was weird and a wasted opportunity for something
• 1:31:53
  meaningful derge says trippie weird ethereal kind of wacky and
• 1:31:59
  finally Luke Sims. Jenkins says fucking incredible
• 1:32:01
  creepy and very imaginative lovers.
• 1:32:05
  Right Joe. I'm going to respond to it takes
• 1:32:07
  it away. It takes you would take you away
• 1:32:13
  starts with probably one of the worst gags in the series when
• 1:32:17
  the doctor taste soil and knows not only that there's now pack a
• 1:32:22
  farm 25 miles away, but he's got a tea room and what the
• 1:32:25
  TripAdvisor rating is really meaningless Wally Rebellion.
• 1:32:38
  But I fucking love it this to me is the best episode of whole
• 1:32:45
  Jodie Whittaker era. I fucking love this or
• 1:32:49
  something. There's something wrong with my
• 1:32:50
  headphones. Yeah, I can say I hate it if you
• 1:32:55
  want. Let's go on this episode.
• 1:32:58
  I think this is a solid track just taking you over.
• 1:33:00
  Yeah. So my first reason now, we got
• 1:33:11
  three zones three atmospheres. I think each of the different
• 1:33:15
  areas. They go to really sells sells
• 1:33:19
  what it's doing with a really clear and distinctive
• 1:33:22
  atmosphere. So you start in modern day
• 1:33:24
  Norway's all I've been in the woods everything makes it feel
• 1:33:26
  like a horror film. You've got the color grading.
• 1:33:28
  I'm working the music the imagery of all those boards kind
• 1:33:32
  of nailed haphazardly up against that house.
• 1:33:35
  You got the noise of the creature in the woods.
• 1:33:38
  The discovery of the father's traps and even Hannah's initial
• 1:33:41
  appearance in a hoodie and sunglasses.
• 1:33:42
  It all feels really quite disturbing and that's before we
• 1:33:46
  even get to the mirror. So creates this real tangible
• 1:33:49
  sense of on these and foreboding and Menace and then you cross
• 1:33:53
  the mirror and then go to the answer Zone and Joe as you
• 1:33:56
  rightly said, it's moodily lit all the Trias brilliant ideas
• 1:34:01
  and I like the the red light which they hurry like a child's
• 1:34:04
  balloon. Exactly and you've got actually
• 1:34:08
  here now, you've got physical threat because you've got
• 1:34:10
  ribbons and you've got them flesh moths and then you move to
• 1:34:14
  the solid truck to universe and start with that seems all
• 1:34:17
  normal. The sun is shining everything
• 1:34:19
  seems calm but in your brain something has always quiet about
• 1:34:24
  it and shining the sorry to interrupt.
• 1:34:28
  There's a very subtle, you know, they flipped all the shots.
• 1:34:31
  That's my next point because I'm saying you can tell something's
• 1:34:36
  off because of all be flipped and So, you know something odd
• 1:34:41
  is going on. And then of course you meet is
• 1:34:43
  it a lady named train the wife and Grace and suddenly that
• 1:34:48
  starts shifting again, and it suddenly becomes you've really
• 1:34:50
  feel that something dangerous and strangers happening.
• 1:34:53
  And then of course you end up in a white out with the doctor
• 1:34:56
  talking to a frog which is weird and surreal.
• 1:34:59
  I think it's utterly captivating and anyone that moments about
• 1:35:02
  the Frog hasn't watched doctor for us.
• 1:35:04
  My second reason. Is there a real last and Christ
• 1:35:09
  there are real genuine emotions and the story right from the
• 1:35:13
  very start thinking all the way through I love the way that Ryan
• 1:35:16
  suggests right to the beginning that Hannah's dad is just run
• 1:35:19
  away and abandoned her and Hannah's reaction to that
• 1:35:22
  because why is used to it? That's his Norm is Father runs
• 1:35:25
  away, but Hannah reacts so badly to that and that feels real and
• 1:35:28
  heartfelt and Joe as you rightly said Graham's response to Grace
• 1:35:32
  and that thank you. Don't do that to me that feels
• 1:35:36
  far more half and any big history on the Emotional core
• 1:35:40
  and I love that and I was going to say exactly the same as you
• 1:35:43
  go if this had been our finale this would have worked much
• 1:35:46
  better because it is kind of the finale Graham's coming to terms
• 1:35:49
  with Grace's loss and he and Ryan reconcile.
• 1:35:53
  So this should I still do think resolution which is called.
• 1:35:57
  Yeah resolution. Yes a finale for this season.
• 1:36:00
  Yeah it is. Yeah, maybe just battle of runs
• 1:36:05
  it but we'll come to that right and thirdly there are so many
• 1:36:09
  parts. It's a really clever script fuck
• 1:36:11
  knows what happened with orphan 55, but this is a really clever
• 1:36:14
  script. There's so many parallels.
• 1:36:16
  So avoid talks about the parallels between Ryan and
• 1:36:18
  Hannah and they're both abandoned children.
• 1:36:21
  But so is the solar truck the solid truck is like and
• 1:36:23
  abandoned child is desperate to reach out and find companionship
• 1:36:26
  and the doctor's office that her empathy is absolutely spot on
• 1:36:29
  shop at friendship and love and hope I think that's great an
• 1:36:34
  obviously, there's also parallels of how Eric responds
• 1:36:36
  to his dead wife the way that Graham reacts to Grace.
• 1:36:41
  Obviously gray is all so tempted but knows the grace will never
• 1:36:44
  ask him to abandon Ryan unlike Eric who's abandoned Hammer.
• 1:36:48
  So yeah, I think there's so many clever parallels going on the
• 1:36:51
  outside. Yeah.
• 1:36:52
  This is really good clever weird.
• 1:36:54
  Fantastic story. You could have been doing Doctor
• 1:36:57
  Who so absolutely this is going through am so I thought maybe
• 1:37:05
  maybe I'd have a bit more of a assumed you take it.
• 1:37:08
  I thought I was gonna have to Casting vote maybe um, but I
• 1:37:15
  would I love this episode as well.
• 1:37:18
  So I would I would definitely definitely put it through there
• 1:37:24
  are a few things. I don't like about it.
• 1:37:26
  I think Ryan is assuming the dad's gonna run a that jumped
• 1:37:31
  out of me as a bit heavy-handed. It's like I'm doing a plot thing
• 1:37:34
  and I will change my mind by the end of it, but generally and the
• 1:37:39
  some of the dialogue in this episode is a bit.
• 1:37:42
  Dumbed down. This is really, you know the
• 1:37:45
  whole bit of are you really going to give them the Sonic
• 1:37:47
  know? Of course?
• 1:37:48
  I'm not almost like just some lines needed to be cut and
• 1:37:52
  there's a lot of nature with a pulse harsh.
• 1:37:57
  There's a there's a lot of there's a lot of Jodie Thinking
• 1:38:00
  Out Loud, which makes me cringe, but generally this is a this is
• 1:38:06
  one of the best episodes of the season for me.
• 1:38:08
  I really hate the Willie Rebellion though.
• 1:38:10
  I see when I hear that line. I hate the I just hate it don't
• 1:38:15
  I hate that more than her eating soil think that line is that
• 1:38:21
  line is up there with you know browser history stuff.
• 1:38:23
  I just it's just too much to make an argument there, but only
• 1:38:27
  say criticism as well done. I know I know what I like, I
• 1:38:30
  guess what I'm saying is I really really agree with
• 1:38:32
  everything that I really I generally really really builds a
• 1:38:40
  really brilliant unusual. Up weirdly creepy.
• 1:38:44
  I mean, it's very Scandinavian, isn't it?
• 1:38:46
  Weirdly creepy sort of episode of Doctor Who and it ends up
• 1:38:51
  with the genius. That is a frog on the chair a
• 1:38:55
  universe as a frog on a chair and I just love that absolutely
• 1:38:58
  brilliant. I mean, it's it's it's it's kind
• 1:39:02
  of like Douglas Adams meets candy Noir it's we never know we
• 1:39:07
  needed it. But we did.
• 1:39:08
  Yeah, it's a genius episode. It's a lot of weird. the same
• 1:39:13
  thing that I think misfired in Northern 55, which is to but
• 1:39:17
  things in the blender that you never needed to be together in
• 1:39:20
  the office of 55. They probably didn't need to be
• 1:39:22
  together. But this episode I think it's
• 1:39:25
  absolute absolute. It's well these flaws that are
• 1:39:30
  there so I don't think it's the best of the season but it's
• 1:39:33
  definitely definitely one. I would put through one of the
• 1:39:36
  best why you think maybe the best maybe maybe the maybe the
• 1:39:40
  top three where did didn't write a lot down one right lots of
• 1:39:47
  notes. So I guess that's that's a sign
• 1:39:48
  that I was generally enjoying myself because I wasn't there
• 1:39:51
  going that was a bit shit. That was a bit shit.
• 1:39:53
  So mostly I really enjoyed it and I didn't mind the dad.
• 1:39:58
  I got the impression a bit. Like I think one of the comments
• 1:40:01
  that it was a bit like the sirens So he wasn't in his right
• 1:40:05
  mind is how I felt it. He wasn't being a selfish dad.
• 1:40:10
  He was being hypnotized by a sentient Universe.
• 1:40:14
  Well Hannah even says at the end, he hasn't been mentally.
• 1:40:16
  Well since the wife died. So yeah, so yeah, so yeah never
• 1:40:21
  in everything never struck me as a problem.
• 1:40:22
  So yeah, so that totally tracks. He's basically a very vulnerable
• 1:40:26
  man and a sentient Universe has not just some woman online.
• 1:40:31
  Something is a sentient Universe has made him up of your personal
• 1:40:36
  life. Yeah.
• 1:40:40
  It's not somebody pretending to be a Russian.
• 1:40:42
  Um, but anyway, the The yes, so I thought he thought he really
• 1:40:50
  liked to as well. So she's kind of she's right.
• 1:40:55
  Yeah. Yeah, he's very lucky.
• 1:41:04
  Yeah, and yeah that they just some brilliant stuff with.
• 1:41:08
  I think I think it's hiding with the themes of honesty and and
• 1:41:13
  and deception the fact that she was blind.
• 1:41:16
  Everything wasn't just there for the sake of it.
• 1:41:18
  The fact that she you know, you have if you're around somebody
• 1:41:21
  who can't see the trust they have to have in the person to
• 1:41:24
  interpret the world for them. So the fact that the dots are
• 1:41:29
  kind of a bit dodgy wrote stuff on the wall, but then they gave
• 1:41:33
  the character she could tell what does it say?
• 1:41:37
  on the you know, they had that lovely moment and they were I
• 1:41:40
  will it's a you know So that was good as well.
• 1:41:44
  And then I just thought the bit of Grace and Bradley Walsh.
• 1:41:50
  Was it just a relationship to me sandwich here?
• 1:41:53
  He's just yeah, he's got a sandwich.
• 1:41:55
  I mean, that's we got to Yeah, but Bradley Walsh wasn't just a
• 1:42:01
  revelation to me. I'm I don't know what it is.
• 1:42:04
  I don't connect with popular culture.
• 1:42:07
  I haven't watched. Television that's on channels
• 1:42:10
  for so long now. I didn't know who Bradley Walsh
• 1:42:13
  was to lose in Doctor Who never heard of Her never heard about
• 1:42:17
  Bradley Walsh, so I didn't even have that.
• 1:42:20
  Oh God, it's Billie Piper. She's a pop star got his
• 1:42:22
  girlfriend say I literally didn't know who he was but he's
• 1:42:26
  at he's he's absolutely the best thing of the whole, you know,
• 1:42:30
  he's if I had to pick one actor out the whole season of Big
• 1:42:34
  Brother. He's absolutely brilliant in
• 1:42:36
  every single scene and they give him some really good stuff to do
• 1:42:39
  as well. But this bit with him in Grace
• 1:42:42
  is just brilliant. And the whole don't do this to
• 1:42:45
  me. It's just gorgeous and and it is
• 1:42:49
  an interesting one. I'd love to I'd love to.
• 1:42:52
  Talk it over with chibnall ago, you know, did you think about
• 1:42:55
  having this at the end because having the person who's dead in
• 1:42:58
  the first episode? Then they come back in the they
• 1:43:01
  come back in. The last episode is kind of a
• 1:43:04
  thing and when we get onto the Battle of Battle of as the car
• 1:43:08
  park or whatever, it's called, we will we will sort of see
• 1:43:12
  whether that there's many reasons why I don't think that
• 1:43:16
  that works as a finale over. Um, because so many things are
• 1:43:22
  tied up in it takes you away. Jeff so anyway, it's going
• 1:43:26
  through for me just as a side note.
• 1:43:29
  We cannot choose the Battle of Ralph's Corvette Colossus or I
• 1:43:33
  under any circumstances. Well to be the best of stories
• 1:43:37
  to Champion or two things one of those two asked to do it.
• 1:43:42
  You want me to lie about it? No.
• 1:43:44
  Oh wait don't know what I'm saying.
• 1:43:45
  No, because because However Champions at their vote doesn't
• 1:43:49
  count. If our vote doesn't count.
• 1:43:51
  It's going all right. Think about it.
• 1:43:53
  Okay. Okay.
• 1:43:54
  Sorry anyway, but if you want that Joe you want that Direct in
• 1:43:59
  the finals that were saying just to annoy their of you.
• 1:44:02
  Yes, I'm I love our surprise you on the last one.
• 1:44:05
  No. Anyway over to trough.
• 1:44:10
  Yeah, I was with you guys on this.
• 1:44:12
  This is this is great and it please just me to hear that.
• 1:44:15
  The the two of you are not overly sold on the era of really
• 1:44:21
  like this one and the dirt and stuff doesn't bother me because
• 1:44:26
  we saw tenant licking would panels in tooth and Claw, you
• 1:44:31
  know, and it always makes me laugh at one thing.
• 1:44:33
  So okay for one dog, I feel that's left her in a bit as
• 1:44:37
  well. Yeah.
• 1:44:37
  He's actually detecting what the stuff is composed of other post
• 1:44:42
  to the TripAdvisor rating of she works out.
• 1:44:46
  Well, they all like doing it. It's just it's just it's just
• 1:44:53
  character bits. It's fun, but this episode
• 1:44:55
  starts out like like you said like horror and you know quite a
• 1:45:01
  lot more stuff and so, you know, Slightly scary looking building
• 1:45:06
  all boarded up and then you you know, there's something out
• 1:45:08
  there. And you start hearing the noises
• 1:45:11
  and it starts getting quite scary and quite tense.
• 1:45:14
  And then I love the rug pool that the dad has set it up and
• 1:45:18
  it's just the audio playback. Oh, okay.
• 1:45:20
  So there's something more, you know going on here then like you
• 1:45:24
  said we get the anti Zone and then the mirror world and stuff
• 1:45:27
  and it is a lot of parallels and there's a lot going on in it and
• 1:45:31
  you know, there's way more below the surface on a lot of these
• 1:45:35
  episodes. I think then in others and and
• 1:45:38
  the dad You know, is he a bad person?
• 1:45:42
  Yeah, I mean he's abandoned the daughter but the wife is died
• 1:45:46
  and he thinks he's found. You know a replacement or as it
• 1:45:51
  were and and he's gone running for you know for love and it
• 1:45:56
  makes you know, it's quite interesting, isn't it?
• 1:45:58
  Yeah, he's not a shity thing. But he kind of see why he's done
• 1:46:03
  it. He's in grief and you know and
• 1:46:05
  then and then Graham is is you know tempted by solid track
• 1:46:10
  Grace and and he stops himself short of doing what the dad did
• 1:46:14
  you know Ryan who sorry? Yeah.
• 1:46:18
  Yeah. So all of that stuff I think is
• 1:46:21
  is really, you know, interesting.
• 1:46:24
  It's just a brilliantly done episode that just keeps on kind
• 1:46:30
  of slightly sent changing and morphing and you know doing
• 1:46:33
  different things and And you get yeah saying about reverse the
• 1:46:37
  polarity in it as well brilliant.
• 1:46:38
  And I think you're wrong on Orphan 55.
• 1:46:42
  I really do one of my favorite. That's not go there again.
• 1:46:47
  I just want to say so when we we did a commentary on it on the
• 1:46:50
  podcast. We had a number of people.
• 1:46:52
  This is true message us and say I wasn't a big fan of that
• 1:46:55
  episode. I listened to your commentary
• 1:46:57
  boss watching it again. And you changed my mind on it
• 1:47:00
  Jeff. I was off of 55 fan Pete Lambert
• 1:47:04
  to come on to hamster and gave a glowing a price of it and then I
• 1:47:08
  was gonna say Joe it's made me want to rewatch it because I've
• 1:47:15
  only watched it wouldn't listen to me watches some point. but
• 1:47:23
  Right. So it takes you away is going
• 1:47:25
  through its my oh sweet three to three rods.
• 1:47:29
  It's three for three so far. So wonderful.
• 1:47:32
  Should we go to the second batch and final batch of overview
• 1:47:35
  comments from our listeners. So I heart says I love it after
• 1:47:39
  years of puzzle box clever clever storytelling.
• 1:47:42
  This was so refreshing beautiful historicals taking us places.
• 1:47:45
  We've never been a fun and lovely daughter and Sublime
• 1:47:49
  subtle music and the best theme in new knew who this is the
• 1:47:53
  start of a glorious era, you know, when she got came out and
• 1:47:57
  went give me the love and I'm feeling it tonight.
• 1:48:00
  Yeah. so Andy Parkinson next year Yeah, Andy Parkinson, if
• 1:48:09
  the attitude Moffat ears were in orgasm then the chip is like
• 1:48:13
  being edged now. Now there's nothing wrong with
• 1:48:19
  being edged but you but you really want to climax right?
• 1:48:22
  Jody is a great doctor though and Bradley Walsh was a
• 1:48:25
  revelation. I think men disappeared on
• 1:48:27
  Twitter. I said you're doing edging wrong
• 1:48:29
  as a comment on this one. But yes, no, not the mind probe.
• 1:48:35
  I think yeah, I like that. Yes.
• 1:48:36
  No not the one for says it's a massive reset button and there's
• 1:48:41
  to give us something much more akin to the remix of the shows
• 1:48:44
  original brief with relates with human characters that aren't
• 1:48:48
  called like saviors in Waiting deeper always with huge rewatch
• 1:48:52
  value. So I'm used to says looks
• 1:48:56
  incredible, but it just doesn't have the backbone strong
• 1:48:58
  characters or soapy story arcs to be as good as it could and
• 1:49:02
  Adam Richard I was so tired of all the potentials overarching
• 1:49:06
  stores often went nowhere here. We got a fun romp and off to
• 1:49:10
  somewhere different the next week. spent After the edging, I
• 1:49:18
  suppose the only two episodes of Whitakers that I've rewatched
• 1:49:22
  including it takes you away. I don't remember being impressed
• 1:49:26
  by the rest Wicked Whitaker is the weakest link.
• 1:49:32
  Oh, well accomplished myself, John Arnold probably the best
• 1:49:38
  the series has looked but the storytelling is messy and often
• 1:49:41
  lacks humor. They've not worked out how to
• 1:49:43
  use the strengths of the lead to the best effect.
• 1:49:47
  Matt V says it's a mixed bag, but the serious structure is
• 1:49:51
  perfect. Simple.
• 1:49:52
  Standalone Adventures not tied up in some convoluted Ark.
• 1:49:57
  Sherbert Avenger pretty dismal every script fell on polished
• 1:50:01
  and in need of another draft. It was only rent school there.
• 1:50:05
  But yeah, Daniel romsley the show is trying bold new things
• 1:50:11
  and we'll never get enough credit for introducing the world
• 1:50:14
  to a doctor who takes to be kind Mantra runs with it and
• 1:50:18
  embodies. It took me a while to fall in
• 1:50:21
  love with chippers, but I adored Jody from the off.
• 1:50:24
  Not sleep Paul smile at the closest.
• 1:50:27
  I have come to actually stopping watching the program even my
• 1:50:30
  guinea pigs are gonna love about that.
• 1:50:32
  We stories villains and Doctor the series is saved by a couple
• 1:50:37
  of decent stories and Bradley Walsh.
• 1:50:39
  Oh God, okay. Your triples are making can you
• 1:50:49
  hear them? Yes.
• 1:50:51
  Yeah, it's fine. that Nick Lord, Lancaster Mostly, okay rarely,
• 1:50:57
  excellent. There's no momentum and it ends
• 1:50:59
  with a whimper 10 average to good stories.
• 1:51:03
  A true Doctor Who fan the stories are all brilliant.
• 1:51:06
  The series is one probably needed a familiar enemy halfway
• 1:51:10
  through to give it a boost but that's all.
• 1:51:12
  Oh he is a true Doctor Who fan Oh, yes.
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  John Mayer A serious full of good ideas, but no reach their
• 1:51:25
  potential. So soundtrack often drowned the
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  dialogue and I didn't care for the preaching that so your TV's
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  out. Yes.
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  Anyone say after 10 seasons of Marigold secondaries music
• 1:51:41
  drowned. A ollie says I love it.
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  Genuinely as soon as we're apologize for loving it.
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  It's such a comfort series for me as is the holy of so many
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  Beautiful Stories. It's not perfect but it's new
• 1:51:57
  fresh and cozy in refreshing other cozy lovely interesting.
• 1:52:01
  Okay. It's a big it's a big hug.
• 1:52:03
  The Jodi era I will say that so I'm going to pick my first story
• 1:52:08
  and I am going to go with arachnids in the UK.
• 1:52:12
  Oh, yes. What do I like about this story?
• 1:52:16
  Nothing? Okay.
• 1:52:18
  I like. I like the fact of the
• 1:52:23
  companions lives and I think that's good and we fill in some
• 1:52:25
  of the blanks. I think Graham feeling of Grace
• 1:52:29
  in particular is very moving and it's beautifully directed.
• 1:52:31
  I like the fact that gives us logical explanation for each and
• 1:52:35
  coming back to the Tardis Graham monster kind of have time and
• 1:52:38
  destruction to get over Grace yows because she getting away
• 1:52:42
  from her family. That's a little bit because the
• 1:52:44
  family trust me. I'm not the worst family we've
• 1:52:47
  ever seen or was something else, right?
• 1:52:49
  Oh, I mean what I look like oh, Um and Ryan as always is the
• 1:53:04
  most underdeveloped. He says he wants to get away
• 1:53:06
  from working in a warehouse even though we've not actually seen
• 1:53:08
  that so yeah, there is we do see it working in a warehouse later
• 1:53:12
  in the season later. I don't talk to this point.
• 1:53:15
  I don't know if we need to though do we Okay, but it's a
• 1:53:17
  bit of a lame excuse so but I'm saying I like all that bit about
• 1:53:21
  there is some good stuff in that in the blanks.
• 1:53:25
  We know this is a preamble, you know, I hate the rest stop.
• 1:53:31
  It just gets lost beneath this absolute Bee Movie shit that
• 1:53:37
  just sinks any possible chance of subtlety or character
• 1:53:40
  development and it's just horrendous.
• 1:53:42
  So my three reasons for booting this out which vary needs to be
• 1:53:46
  first one is Jesus Christ Jacques and where to begin with
• 1:53:51
  them. Oh, he's an opponents of trump.
• 1:53:53
  But clearly he's from the same cloth gosh the subtlety in that
• 1:53:58
  everything about him is so cartoonish from the Riddick.
• 1:54:01
  Performance the dialogue it's a bit of dialogue.
• 1:54:03
  What's wrong with you people? What don't you do that normal
• 1:54:06
  people do get a gun shootings like a civilized person.
• 1:54:10
  Yeah, so Trump Yeah, it's really subtle dialogue.
• 1:54:14
  Isn't it is Trump. I don't want Trump in the middle
• 1:54:18
  of Doctor Who are but remember, but remember we're taking a piss
• 1:54:21
  out of him and it's not subtle taking the pistol.
• 1:54:24
  It's not so on the nose when kids watch this and I showed
• 1:54:28
  this one to my kids and I'll probably come to that shortly.
• 1:54:30
  They know their needs a bad guy and a bit of an idiot.
• 1:54:34
  Yeah. He remember, you know, how other
• 1:54:37
  people watch it and it is hard to remember something because we
• 1:54:40
  do things, you know, You know why I find him.
• 1:54:45
  He's the fact that he's so big and bold and one-dimensional in
• 1:54:49
  a story where a lot of the other side like the character stuff.
• 1:54:52
  I talked about earlier is trying for a more naturalistic tone.
• 1:54:55
  So suddenly you've got this ridiculous cartoon character up
• 1:54:58
  against some of these trying to be naturalistic and it's a it's
• 1:55:01
  an uncomfortable mix and for me, it doesn't gel like the Rowdy
• 1:55:05
  and salty and they're one dimensional panto character.
• 1:55:08
  Where are they in the middle of comic stories?
• 1:55:11
  They're not in the middle of something that's trying to be to
• 1:55:14
  deal with a man's grief over the loss of his wife.
• 1:55:16
  He's trying to be part of the only a very serious story.
• 1:55:20
  If I thank you. I don't think a giant brain
• 1:55:24
  quite Compares, but I just I think that makes it's just an
• 1:55:28
  uncomfortable mix doesn't sit well for my I was just there was
• 1:55:32
  so many stupid plot contrivances like the fact that Yas comes to
• 1:55:35
  pick her mom up and Robertson comes in they Point guns.
• 1:55:39
  Yes or no mum, tell him to get off the premises, but no he's
• 1:55:42
  gonna take time. And say Yes upstairs to a room
• 1:55:45
  to show that the rooms dirty to prove why he's fired and it's
• 1:55:50
  fucking ridiculous. I mean stupid experience.
• 1:55:53
  Yeah, thank you. Sorry that wasn't a negative
• 1:55:57
  know it was the second point is the plot can try forces.
• 1:56:01
  So we meet yasis Dad. He seems pretty normal.
• 1:56:04
  But because the plot requires it, he's collecting waste and
• 1:56:08
  leaving it all around the flat. So that Yas can look at it for
• 1:56:11
  blues. I mean, we only meet this man
• 1:56:14
  three times he had three very fleeting.
• 1:56:16
  This is his biggest role and this is what we learn about his
• 1:56:20
  father. It's just on for plot of speed.
• 1:56:22
  It's nonsense. We got three locations in the
• 1:56:25
  story of no. Oh twice.
• 1:56:28
  Would you would you say he's the equivalent of Howard Binger?
• 1:56:34
  We just oh we have got to the end of that story yet, Jeff.
• 1:56:39
  Oh, Of we visit Three locations in the story.
• 1:56:46
  We got yasis flour Graham's house and the hotel and all of
• 1:56:49
  them have giant spiders why therefore it's a city not
• 1:56:53
  overrun by giant spiders. We're not stopping at it.
• 1:56:56
  We're not saying that but they are there.
• 1:56:58
  I think there would be a bit of emergency going on.
• 1:57:00
  I mean, they're just stupid. It's the plot.
• 1:57:01
  He's building a five-star hotel on a landfill landfill sting.
• 1:57:05
  He's building a five-star hotel. It doesn't work Northerly.
• 1:57:08
  They don't building Sage on landfill.
• 1:57:10
  Thank you very much. Don't stink that badly.
• 1:57:12
  Well, I'm so cool, right? Morning, that is exactly where
• 1:57:23
  they build things Brownfield sites.
• 1:57:25
  Then you've got Justice neighbor just happens to work at the lab
• 1:57:28
  where the experiments on spiders whose corpses just happened to
• 1:57:32
  be taken to Robertson's hotel where her mum Works where they
• 1:57:35
  just happened to breed and mutate and then infest the hotel
• 1:57:38
  with nobody seeing them and then just happens go across Sheffield
• 1:57:42
  back to her neighbor's house. I mean, it's ridiculous.
• 1:57:45
  This is plot contrived Beyond plot contrived Bonkers.
• 1:57:49
  It's right. I don't want to be moving.
• 1:57:54
  I want Doctor Who Doctor, you know, hired Harry Orbison.
• 1:58:02
  They've got Dave Dave Ross on their books, you know, Cybermen,
• 1:58:09
  you know contributors is Jeff. Yeah.
• 1:58:13
  My third point is the resolution.
• 1:58:16
  I'm ignoring you to fuckers now. Resolution right?
• 1:58:21
  There is a music system in a panic room where you're supposed
• 1:58:24
  to hide from people and be quiet but no, there's a music system
• 1:58:28
  in a panic room, which plays music so loud that every single
• 1:58:32
  spider throughout all the tunnels under the ground all
• 1:58:35
  through Sheffield are attracted to this music.
• 1:58:37
  Yeah, really good resolution. And then Robson shoots a spider
• 1:58:41
  on the doctor walks away. What a terrible terrible
• 1:58:44
  terrible and this is trash and it's going in the bend actually.
• 1:58:49
  It is trash. You're right.
• 1:58:52
  It's glory. Should we go to the comments and
• 1:58:57
  says lots to love. I need more blood pressure
• 1:59:00
  Tablets before this next episode Chris Noth this Fabulous As
• 1:59:06
  Robertson Ryan dicking around making sure she's on the
• 1:59:09
  Whiteboard. Yes, it's family of fun.
• 1:59:11
  And it's all good until the end when the giant spider just dying
• 1:59:14
  was under wilming. I've never fought James locks
• 1:59:17
  could be as long as he's been in these comments today.
• 1:59:19
  Well, Always tell me how bright and sorry but some reason he's
• 1:59:23
  had a intellect bypass when right James don't listen to Just
• 1:59:28
  quite Joe it all to be fun part. We start run around it is but
• 1:59:32
  it's scuffed by the bizarre decision to make Sheffield look
• 1:59:34
  like the Bleaker City on a it doesn't it's not very warmly.
• 1:59:38
  You can't be a gritty channel for style drama and a Bee Movie
• 1:59:42
  rompers. Will you can because that's
• 1:59:44
  exactly did it Michael storms says a poor mashup of the green
• 1:59:48
  death and plunge the spiders. We terrible dialogue and
• 1:59:51
  questionable morals from the doctor as she seems to think a
• 1:59:54
  slow death from Suffocation was the better option not Trump is
• 1:59:58
  almost as annoying as the real gets Bennett.
• 2:00:00
  It's worth noting that series 9 is Michael storm his favorite
• 2:00:04
  season of new. All right, I'll just leave that
• 2:00:07
  Daniel Knight and effective shocker and I'm not even scared
• 2:00:10
  of spiders. The resolution is fun as well.
• 2:00:12
  I could be wrong is Chris NOS character supposed to be based
• 2:00:15
  on Donald Trump. Maybe I think that's soccer.
• 2:00:18
  Yeah. I know Jason Thompson and we
• 2:00:23
  were talking about pedantry before good old Jason.
• 2:00:25
  He never lets us down. This is a mixed bag.
• 2:00:28
  But Jason you have overreached yourself on this one, but Tough
• 2:00:32
  I have to give points for the recognition the spiders cannot
• 2:00:35
  survive being giant past a certain point because the way
• 2:00:39
  they absorb oxygen they're watching it slowly suffocate was
• 2:00:42
  not how I expected. The doctor to react on
• 2:00:44
  Robertson's shooting of it was presented as a shocking Palace
• 2:00:48
  act when it's effectively ended its suffering ambivalent towards
• 2:00:51
  this one. I love him so much did a race a
• 2:00:55
  fun little Rob. Thank you Dylan love the use of
• 2:00:57
  storms easy to resolve the story.
• 2:00:59
  Some people have a go at the doctor for killing spiders.
• 2:01:01
  Like it's new to this stop. So the Ood in the Satan Pit and
• 2:01:05
  the magic in the Green Day. Yeah.
• 2:01:07
  Thank you Dylan. Oh, yeah.
• 2:01:08
  I got a flag that up like so the ending.
• 2:01:10
  I'm not sure everyone says everyone some people say all the
• 2:01:14
  doctor trap in the spot suffocate is awful and horrible
• 2:01:18
  and a couple of times on Lana said, well, what solution would
• 2:01:22
  you propose? There's no answer to that but
• 2:01:27
  nobody objective for the end of The Runaway Bride when he
• 2:01:30
  flushed all those Yeah down the right.
• 2:01:32
  Yeah and Donna did I think that's kind of the point of the
• 2:01:36
  story. But the thing I'm telling him,
• 2:01:38
  he's gone too far. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:01:40
  Right but he still did it and she still goes with him.
• 2:01:43
  If someone killed a load of kids in front of me.
• 2:01:44
  Yeah wouldn't be hopping in that box.
• 2:01:46
  And and I think you know, I don't really know what I was
• 2:01:50
  supposed to doctor could have taken the spiders into the
• 2:01:51
  Tardis and taking them to do another planet or you know
• 2:01:54
  planets or whatever. But you know, I think that
• 2:01:57
  story, you know, well you hamstrung that's exactly what
• 2:02:00
  should have happened. She should have gone somewhere
• 2:02:02
  with a different oxygen mix. Well, it could be big and absorb
• 2:02:07
  the oxygen all right where she goes back takes them out.
• 2:02:12
  Yeah, and then you can imagine it's Canon and yeah an old call
• 2:02:17
  it. A arachna to the tallest
• 2:02:21
  motherfuking around the Tardis. What if you write that Jeff Ian
• 2:02:25
  can produce it? Yeah, perfect.
• 2:02:28
  Yes, but stubby says a bit limp and lifeless nothing feels
• 2:02:33
  resolved. And Robertson is not a character
• 2:02:35
  I ever wanted to see again. Oh shame.
• 2:02:38
  Oh, yeah, he's brilliant. So do I what service career I
• 2:02:43
  think the ear is a bit too perfect to be doing a story like
• 2:02:45
  this give it to RTD and watch the camp Sparks Fly.
• 2:02:48
  I love the brief glimpses of gases family such a shame.
• 2:02:51
  We so rarely come back to them. Although not quite as little as
• 2:02:54
  in the Moffitt era. Oh, no, he didn't say that but
• 2:02:56
  the story feels empty and the doctor lands on the wrong side
• 2:02:59
  of the euthanasia. Discourse Big Orange Mikaelson.
• 2:03:02
  There's a good story in here trying to get out could have
• 2:03:05
  used another polish or to Bennett Michael.
• 2:03:08
  You can't polish at it. You can you know churches still
• 2:03:12
  my least favorite episode of all of Dr. Who well, so Joe should
• 2:03:18
  we go to you because No idea where you're going to fall on
• 2:03:20
  this one. This is possibly my favorite
• 2:03:23
  episode of the season and I'm not taking the Pisco listen to
• 2:03:26
  my episode of hamster. This is my guilty pleasure in
• 2:03:30
  series 11 because you're right. It's fucking stupid.
• 2:03:33
  It's ridiculous. It's about enormous giant
• 2:03:36
  spiders that are stopped by a thin bit of garlic paste.
• 2:03:39
  Oh my God. It's so fun.
• 2:03:42
  I love bee movies. I love big monsters.
• 2:03:45
  You know, I love these absurd plot contrivances.
• 2:03:48
  I love massive Camp ridiculous villains like Chris Noth.
• 2:03:53
  So everything everything about this reminds me of the Bee Movie
• 2:03:57
  is always brought up on my mom used to go down the equivalent
• 2:03:59
  of pound. Now when I was younger and get
• 2:04:01
  those one pound thread for DVDs nymphoid Barbarian and dinosaur
• 2:04:04
  health things like that. Oh, yeah, it reminds me that was
• 2:04:10
  a little bit but he's just a few of the reasons.
• 2:04:11
  Anyway, brilliant scary spiders that are stunningly realized.
• 2:04:16
  I said a lot of things are standing nearly realized but to
• 2:04:18
  get In those CGI spiders right was the key to getting this
• 2:04:21
  episode right my poor friend Alison who suffers from terrible
• 2:04:25
  rack the phobia got as far as the bit with the spider runs at
• 2:04:28
  a bit and then text me and went fuck this arm out and didn't
• 2:04:32
  watch anymore not because she was terrible because she was
• 2:04:34
  terrified. Um, I love the evil silly
• 2:04:38
  unsubtle murderous environmentally unfriendly had
• 2:04:42
  to mimic vile spanner in the works Chris Noth as the villain
• 2:04:46
  truly visible absolutely ridiculous that the sort of
• 2:04:51
  villain that this era doesn't do enough.
• 2:04:54
  So I'm pleased he's here and I'm pleased he comes back and I
• 2:04:56
  loved it when we got four major again in the flux as well.
• 2:04:59
  There's not enough of these big ridiculous villains in chippers.
• 2:05:02
  Who so I really love that he's doing it the team coming
• 2:05:05
  together in this episode is beautifully done.
• 2:05:07
  I love how tentative the doctor is when they step out the
• 2:05:10
  hardest because she thinks they're all just gonna go and
• 2:05:12
  leave her so excited to go into Jazzy's house.
• 2:05:14
  Absolutely. Absurdly socially awkward inside
• 2:05:18
  the house. I thought that last really but
• 2:05:20
  it's I appreciate it and I love the bit.
• 2:05:22
  Yeah. Well, they all choose to go and
• 2:05:24
  they all pull the lever together is it's truly giving them the
• 2:05:28
  choice to make this step and they take it.
• 2:05:31
  It's wonderful. I think the direction is great
• 2:05:33
  again the opening from the point of view of Spider going across
• 2:05:37
  the grass is great the bit where the doctor's done all the
• 2:05:40
  investigations or we go through the map into the hotel.
• 2:05:43
  I just add the spiders on the ceiling of that bit where
• 2:05:46
  they're all coming towards you looks amazing.
• 2:05:48
  And but my absolute favorite thing about Iraqis in the UK is
• 2:05:52
  once again Jodie Whittaker who in possibly the most funniest
• 2:05:56
  moment of the Season discovers that that poor man.
• 2:06:00
  Kevin has been dragged down the sink by the enormous spider
• 2:06:04
  that's there and she does the most doctor thing you would ever
• 2:06:07
  do she just shoves her write down the old to have a look and
• 2:06:10
  doesn't care. It's just it's stupid.
• 2:06:14
  It's stupid on a little bit insulting and it's absurdly fine
• 2:06:19
  cut it that I love it. Yeah.
• 2:06:25
  Okay, I'm on the fence and I'm I generally don't know which way
• 2:06:30
  I'm going to go. but there are Some I love free movies.
• 2:06:38
  And I thought the spiders were brilliant and I I have just the
• 2:06:42
  right amount of retro phobia that horror involving spiders
• 2:06:45
  makes me ship my pants. I know so makes me like it more.
• 2:06:49
  So I was really these spiders are terrifying where it's just
• 2:06:56
  fall into the side of this era where they have a really good
• 2:07:00
  plot and set up and then it wouldn't pass out it sort of
• 2:07:03
  Fizzles out it I would have liked more be moving.
• 2:07:08
  I would like to go bigger. I probably would have liked to
• 2:07:11
  see spiders killing. I would like to higher body
• 2:07:14
  count. I would like to get set up
• 2:07:17
  spiders. Let's have more spiders.
• 2:07:19
  Maybe it was a spiders or that we've sorted it out now place it
• 2:07:24
  all the money. I was right on all those
• 2:07:25
  expensive. Yeah.
• 2:07:26
  Yeah. It's so again a slight story
• 2:07:31
  good idea. And it goes and it comes very
• 2:07:35
  slightly because of whatever reasons whether that's budgetary
• 2:07:38
  or what it Fizzles out but the stuff around it as well.
• 2:07:42
  I absolutely loved like I love I really like I really like seeing
• 2:07:48
  this this part of the Journey of these the companions with the
• 2:07:53
  doctor the whole. Well, I finally got you back and
• 2:07:57
  then and then when she goes tear it yassas amazing actually love
• 2:08:01
  that bit and you love that his mom trying to set her up with
• 2:08:05
  anyone. Who's about yes.
• 2:08:06
  So yeah. My mom was like it reminds me.
• 2:08:10
  Yes doctor and he has a singing. Yeah.
• 2:08:14
  Yeah, which is you know, so that puts paid to the fact that you
• 2:08:18
  know that Yaz and the doctor Was just came out of the blue it was
• 2:08:23
  because it was kind of in there that maybe her mum knows more
• 2:08:28
  about herself. And yes, which is you know,
• 2:08:31
  which is definitely somewhere on that.
• 2:08:33
  Um, So it is an anti climber's but I and I didn't mind Chris at
• 2:08:39
  all. Yes.
• 2:08:39
  It's a bit on the nose. It's yeah, it's very on the
• 2:08:44
  nose. But he kind of everyone goes
• 2:08:48
  big. So you just kind of enjoying it
• 2:08:50
  I think with a lot of things if you ever go with the tone of
• 2:08:55
  them or you all the tone stops you enjoying it and I I was
• 2:08:59
  generally swept along with the tone of this one.
• 2:09:01
  It was fun. It's the beginning.
• 2:09:04
  It's really it's roaming horror movie coming up Hotel really
• 2:09:08
  affective so many good things about this.
• 2:09:11
  Um the yeah, it's it's going through for me.
• 2:09:15
  Oh my God, and I wasn't sure I was gonna say that but I do
• 2:09:20
  generally like it and this is one that again like again
• 2:09:24
  watching this with children. It's it's it's it's it's it's,
• 2:09:27
  you know, a lot of people are sniffing about to implore but I
• 2:09:30
  have watched that more than any of that.
• 2:09:33
  Yeah. I've watched that more than any
• 2:09:34
  of her episode of Doctor Who because I've got children.
• 2:09:36
  Yeah every I watched that about 12 times.
• 2:09:39
  So my three children they've all watched it so many times we've
• 2:09:43
  watched it countless times and a ratings in the UK is sort of a
• 2:09:47
  bit like that because it's just effective and fun and everyone's
• 2:09:51
  screams at the spider's not gonna come back for part two
• 2:09:54
  should I just got loaded loads of loads of you know loads of
• 2:10:01
  really good lines and I've just yes says, you know more time
• 2:10:06
  with you as well. So she's definitely Started to
• 2:10:11
  have feelings and I mean I've got lots of things written down
• 2:10:15
  here and unusually there all the great lines everyone talks about
• 2:10:20
  Ed Sheeran roundabout now is you know is a nice little bit of
• 2:10:25
  time travel. Are you And yeah, yeah you
• 2:10:29
  achieving everyone talks about Ed Sheeran roundabout now and
• 2:10:32
  then and then when he's you know, when Christopher's just go
• 2:10:35
  a giant spider just smashed through my bathtub and killed my
• 2:10:38
  bodyguard. Oh, that's so I just think I
• 2:10:41
  just think the construction of that sentence is no we missed
• 2:10:43
  the punchline. She goes well done very
• 2:10:45
  succinct. But just the fact that he says
• 2:10:50
  and my buddy God Kevin, I just love it.
• 2:10:52
  Yeah, there's loads of good stuff.
• 2:10:53
  I love you as a mom. I wish we'd been seeing a bit
• 2:10:56
  more of them specially because he has ends up doing the unusual
• 2:11:01
  thing of staying for three years.
• 2:11:03
  Yeah, and I really like yes, and I never understand what people
• 2:11:07
  don't like. Yes, I think his gills Delicious
• 2:11:12
  brilliant. I think they were supposed to be
• 2:11:15
  back again in flux. We spoke to Babu.
• 2:11:19
  Yes on you. And she she hinted that there
• 2:11:21
  was they should have been much wouldn't it the episode but it
• 2:11:26
  was going to be eight episodes and it went down to six and you
• 2:11:29
  know, so yeah and condensed stuff.
• 2:11:31
  So, you know, they only managed the one little bit in once well,
• 2:11:34
  but you know big finish. Yeah finish will pick it up
• 2:11:39
  there for absolutely. Yeah, which way you gotta go.
• 2:11:44
  This is great this episode. I love it because you like
• 2:12:00
  crystals character because like you said, he's panto and he's
• 2:12:04
  big and over the top and you know, he would have fit in in
• 2:12:09
  the RTD era, you know. He's that sort of he's a big
• 2:12:14
  contrast to what are very real human villains in in a lot of
• 2:12:21
  the other episodes in this, you know, Hannah's dad is a bit of a
• 2:12:24
  scumbag. Krasco is racist, you know,
• 2:12:27
  there's a lot of kind of the worst of Humanity on show here.
• 2:12:32
  So I think you know Mr. Big being camp and panto and over
• 2:12:37
  the top is a nice kind of change of pace there.
• 2:12:39
  And like you said and I love things like tear Yas is how
• 2:12:42
  excited the doctor gets about that.
• 2:12:44
  I love that. She's rocking a bum bag, you
• 2:12:47
  know which which they didn't bring back again and they had it
• 2:12:50
  just one time. And is this the first episode
• 2:12:53
  where we see that new look time Vortex as well where it thunders
• 2:12:57
  into the sort of fabulous thing with all the tunnels going off
• 2:13:01
  from it and I like the way you know, it's starts again a bit
• 2:13:07
  kind of horror, you know, they go into the apartment the mum,
• 2:13:10
  you know, the person's all wrapped up and everything and
• 2:13:13
  there's some great scares with the spiders again.
• 2:13:16
  I like you in I showed my kids and my kids may be younger than
• 2:13:21
  yours for my dad, but Please daddy.
• 2:13:26
  Is that spider real? How was it so big and they quite
• 2:13:31
  confused about you know, because it looks so real and and utterly
• 2:13:35
  convinced by you know, I watched Avatar with my son and he said
• 2:13:39
  to me this is off topic, but I just got Avatar.
• 2:13:43
  It's my other thing and he said it's just my cup isn't it?
• 2:13:48
  And I said would you mean he said well when they believe it's
• 2:13:51
  my cup, isn't it? They're not really her.
• 2:13:53
  Oh they oh, yeah. Yeah, of course I said Do you
• 2:13:57
  think they're real? Well, yeah, they are aren't
• 2:14:00
  they? I said know that they're not and
• 2:14:01
  he was totally you know, it's that real, you know, I mean and
• 2:14:05
  and you know, a lot of effects are these days.
• 2:14:08
  So yeah my kids they they were both freaked out by the
• 2:14:13
  spoilers, but they loved it as well.
• 2:14:15
  And so I went kids love this stuff.
• 2:14:17
  I love you know, yeah really, that's the audience for this.
• 2:14:20
  Yeah, and it's and it's like you said it's a camp B movie and I
• 2:14:25
  think you know who is a show it's a show unlike any other
• 2:14:28
  it's creatively unlimited but it must be and and you know, the
• 2:14:32
  show Runners and the other was sort of hinted at this over the
• 2:14:35
  years. There must be a bastard right
• 2:14:37
  before because you've got people like us who, you know older
• 2:14:40
  being into it for a long time and we like certain things
• 2:14:43
  you've got, you know a casual audience, you know, who don't
• 2:14:45
  know who the hell suitcase is, you know, you've got the kids
• 2:14:48
  who are watching it. I want to be scared and through
• 2:14:50
  and blah blah and you've got to try and please all of these
• 2:14:52
  people with it like no wonder no one wants to write for it
• 2:14:55
  because it's just thankless and impossible, you know, so this
• 2:15:00
  yeah, maybe they're awesome, you know Falls and Rod, you know,
• 2:15:03
  you made some you know, good points, you know, like, you
• 2:15:07
  know, realistic stuff, you know about the spiders and their
• 2:15:10
  oxygen consumptions and stuff like that.
• 2:15:11
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:15:12
  That's great. It's fucking massive spiders in
• 2:15:14
  it. Getting pulled down through the
• 2:15:16
  sinks and plugs and stuff brilliant, you know, and so
• 2:15:21
  would you be thinking about oxygen particles where Mass
• 2:15:24
  happening but but I understand that people can get you know,
• 2:15:28
  that's a blockage for them, you know to get by you know, but
• 2:15:33
  yeah that sort of stuff doesn't. Doesn't get me you know, so
• 2:15:38
  yeah, I love this. Yeah.
• 2:15:39
  Well, so I like the fact that they made it scientifically
• 2:15:42
  accurate because within reason because it was actually part of
• 2:15:47
  the cruelty of What Not character don't it?
• 2:15:50
  All these pollution had mutated these creatures they were
• 2:15:53
  victims. Yeah, and then she's right like
• 2:15:55
  animals would you know, may I think if they're just thoughts
• 2:15:59
  about it for a second maybe they would have found a different
• 2:16:01
  solution. So having them play in the music
• 2:16:04
  not from the sample of Bunker which makes no fucking sense.
• 2:16:07
  Um, but there were maybe playing storms from the computer from
• 2:16:12
  the Tardis consultant or pipe it through the hotel found systems
• 2:16:16
  into into the Tardis so I can take them to a planet.
• 2:16:22
  It's just right where they were die.
• 2:16:24
  That's so boring just squash them.
• 2:16:26
  Maybe maybe he could object when Peter Davidson made all those
• 2:16:31
  darks coming in or through acid in my stools face or I could go
• 2:16:37
  on again and I got Matt Smith around murdering people left
• 2:16:41
  right and center but just smiled about it quite a lot.
• 2:16:43
  All of these things could be better with so many times with
• 2:16:47
  another pass with a bit. I like the doctor being I mean
• 2:16:51
  bastard. Never in this one.
• 2:16:53
  They're trying to make her not I mean bastard, they're trying to
• 2:16:56
  put the cake and eat it. I'm going to let them fall
• 2:17:01
  asleep in the in the Panic Room. They're going to go to suffocate
• 2:17:06
  unbelievably what you what you do with a spider that's injured
• 2:17:10
  you get a fucking brick. So where what to kill the one in
• 2:17:16
  the ball, right? Yeah.
• 2:17:17
  Why does she kill the instantly maybe they could all struck to
• 2:17:21
  the Joint glass and a sheet of carport and you know, yeah right
• 2:17:25
  window and it's in a cup with a shield.
• 2:17:33
  I believe right in the UK is guy like because it's good fun.
• 2:17:38
  Well, do you know this? Oh 100 was raving about this
• 2:17:52
  like it was robot of sure would and and and I was just like
• 2:17:57
  perfectly right? He's got spiders.
• 2:18:00
  It was good fun in there lots of good lines in it.
• 2:18:03
  I was Jen. Really when the fun when the
• 2:18:06
  fandom were. They were they were acting like
• 2:18:09
  it was orphan 55. Like they would later.
• 2:18:12
  I was just classic. Oh, don't stop don't just took
• 2:18:17
  to the rings of vacant and said how terrible that was I love
• 2:18:20
  that. I like that speech from the
• 2:18:23
  doctor in it, you know, and then it turns all a bit magic wand
• 2:18:25
  and stuff, you know, but sorry got off piece together. from all
• 2:18:34
  right guys in what I don't like about an Earthly child is Made
• 2:18:54
  it. Unfortunately, she just stuck to
• 2:18:57
  that and the doctor should be human.
• 2:18:58
  That's not And welcome back to strictly come home.
• 2:19:58
  So which is probably an old thing to say in the middle of
• 2:20:00
  this podcast, but for very space reasons, it's actually been five
• 2:20:04
  six weeks since we record the first part of the show that
• 2:20:07
  you've just listened to and now we're back to the conclusion.
• 2:20:09
  So, Guessing is it's been a bit of a gap for us.
• 2:20:12
  Not so much of a gap view hopefully, but I think we just
• 2:20:14
  need to recap what we've learned so far Okay, so we've learned so
• 2:20:18
  far that both Jeff and Ian are Masters are plugging all their
• 2:20:22
  other bloody podcasts the name dropping consistently throughout
• 2:20:28
  so I warn you guys any more name dropping any more plug-in.
• 2:20:32
  There will be a penalty and you won't like it.
• 2:20:34
  You know, I listen to this great podcast the other day who call
• 2:20:37
  us a call. I'm sorry or Jeff as he's now
• 2:20:42
  known Jeff as Chris said to me. Oh well, anyway, we've all so
• 2:20:47
  learned. The Jeff is the king of
• 2:20:49
  interruptions. He interrupted more than you've
• 2:20:52
  done before Joe on this spot. Let me are you serious?
• 2:20:55
  I am serious. Oh and he can be very easily
• 2:21:00
  swayed by the magnetism of Mr. Joe Ford negatives into
• 2:21:06
  positives the bastard. But hopefully we've got all that
• 2:21:09
  out the way now, let's launch into the next round of stories.
• 2:21:12
  Jeff pick your second story. my second story I'm gonna go with
• 2:21:24
  I'm going to go for kablam, I think.
• 2:21:29
  If you want it a couple of it. I'm not gonna say anything.
• 2:21:34
  I'm I don't want to interrupt anyone.
• 2:21:36
  Ah, oh excellent. So should we go to the listeners
• 2:21:39
  comments? Get rich Jeff.
• 2:21:43
  Yeah, I really enjoyed. I enjoyed all of this series as
• 2:21:47
  you three can now test to anyone listening.
• 2:21:52
  We'll know and I thought this this was probably one of the
• 2:21:56
  most kind of adventurous and exciting episodes of the Season,
• 2:22:01
  you know, it's got that great conveyor belt Chase sequence and
• 2:22:05
  you know, there's quite a big, you know, kind of mystery, you
• 2:22:10
  know within the whole thing of what's happening and but when
• 2:22:13
  they get there and you know, the doctor gets scanned and
• 2:22:15
  everything and you know, we're still kind of with the other
• 2:22:18
  companions are still kind of learning a little bit about her
• 2:22:20
  and you know the time lord and stuff like that you get a little
• 2:22:22
  bit more, you know hints about that for them and and you know
• 2:22:26
  the mystery of her and everything. but I just think
• 2:22:30
  that Just really enjoyed this one again.
• 2:22:33
  And and I think it gets quite a lot of Should we say height and
• 2:22:38
  perhaps Miss guided hate about its ending and and the message
• 2:22:46
  of it, I think. and my personal view is I'm not sure that the
• 2:22:53
  commonly perceived reading of it is a tool what was intended from
• 2:22:57
  the episode and if you've read the target novelization you it's
• 2:23:02
  possibly a little bit clearer in there as well.
• 2:23:04
  I can I just say sorry for interrupting.
• 2:23:07
  Um, I I like the TV reading I think I do like the
• 2:23:15
  novelization. Well, I don't like the changes,
• 2:23:17
  but I will explain why later. You mean with the sort of
• 2:23:22
  additional backstory that you get of some of the characters?
• 2:23:26
  No, I mean exactly what you're talking about their the ending
• 2:23:29
  and Jody's dialogue at the end of the episode about the system.
• 2:23:34
  I prefer it in the TV episode the right because I think Pete
• 2:23:39
  MCI was reacting to the reaction of the end of this episode.
• 2:23:43
  So he almost completely takes that out of the climax.
• 2:23:47
  I think it should be there. But anyway, It's minimizing in
• 2:23:53
  the book, isn't it? And I quite liked in the book
• 2:23:56
  version that there's a lot more AI talk and it became quite
• 2:23:59
  topical as well and and the dangers that if if anyone knows
• 2:24:04
  me on my work-related stuff, I'm told I bang on endlessly about
• 2:24:10
  Ai and the dangers of it for creatives.
• 2:24:12
  So it's something that's quite, you know, dear to me in a I
• 2:24:17
  don't like it at all kind of way.
• 2:24:18
  But yeah, I think the ending of this is and I've been
• 2:24:21
  interesting to know what you guys think.
• 2:24:23
  I think it's yeah, Miss misinterpreted, you know
• 2:24:28
  sometimes I think you'll see our listeners certainly get quite a
• 2:24:34
  negative feeling about the conclusion you you shocked face.
• 2:24:40
  The listeners are frequently wrong on Strictly come out and
• 2:24:43
  stuff. So I don't write.
• 2:24:46
  Don't Jeff. I'm done their fantastic.
• 2:24:48
  Let's go to the comments. So big orange Michael says I'm
• 2:24:51
  here we go straight away the trend of message over
• 2:24:54
  storytelling starts to rear its head a bit here.
• 2:24:56
  I wanted to be more engaged than I was Bennett.
• 2:25:00
  Dylan race this doesn't work for me mixed political messaging
• 2:25:03
  feels like an average McCoy big finish.
• 2:25:06
  The messaging of this episode is like 2% of the episode.
• 2:25:10
  Anyway, people get hung up on that Daniel Knight says feels
• 2:25:13
  like a Seventh Doctor story. But in a good way Pete Mackay
• 2:25:16
  gives the regulars to do as well as establish.
• 2:25:19
  The gas characters unlike some I don't think it's pro-capitalism
• 2:25:22
  on the twist of who the villain is works.
• 2:25:24
  Well James Lark says, it does go off the rails, but it has a
• 2:25:28
  memorable very Doctor Who imagery one of the few episodes
• 2:25:31
  that the kids I teach were talking about the very next day.
• 2:25:34
  Thanks to the instantly iconic couple of man design.
• 2:25:37
  It also has a decent premise and it's good solid thumb crash
• 2:25:41
  dummy says botches and interesting idea so badly it
• 2:25:44
  actually accidentally becomes a distasteful message of an
• 2:25:48
  episode Melvin Pena. I think he's missed understood.
• 2:25:51
  This era is deeply ambivalent towards power.
• 2:25:53
  This doctor isn't a revolutionary but a stabilizer
• 2:25:56
  never met a system. She wasn't okay with putting a
• 2:25:59
  patch on like all of us. She might not love and Amazon's
• 2:26:03
  practices, but she definitely loves her convenience.
• 2:26:06
  A Joel featherston says hey this take the side of the evil
• 2:26:11
  Corporation. The film was a downtrodden
• 2:26:13
  worker. The conclusion was to increase
• 2:26:15
  paid to human workers in a world that could provide for everyone
• 2:26:18
  without cost Madness capitals Jack Koya says, I don't think it
• 2:26:23
  works. Well for this doctor and rightly
• 2:26:25
  serves as a point for her to tractors.
• 2:26:27
  It's a real shame because the first half I'm smiling along the
• 2:26:30
  fan working as a unit a fun supporting performance from Lee
• 2:26:34
  Mack the robot workers are creepy, but it needs an extra 10
• 2:26:38
  minutes to give closure to leave Max character and show the fam
• 2:26:41
  taking an active part in the establishment of a new social
• 2:26:44
  order and the Parkinson says a great premise that draws the
• 2:26:47
  wrong conclusion. This could be brilliant if they
• 2:26:49
  didn't accompany off the hall Jeff Richardson says fine, but
• 2:26:53
  the politics of a single worker being the villain is not
• 2:26:56
  relevant to the real world. And finally Jason Thompson says,
• 2:26:59
  well, I could solid story with the plot the mates and the
• 2:27:02
  doctor solving a mystery while she's brilliant and I was
• 2:27:05
  genuinely shocked when Keira got Blown up also deadly bubble wrap
• 2:27:08
  is quintessential Doctor Who making the everyday scary and
• 2:27:12
  dangerous was more mixed and negative outside.
• 2:27:15
  Yeah, that's quite interesting that what was that second before
• 2:27:20
  last one there about could just recap that one for me Rob fine,
• 2:27:25
  but the politics of a single worker being the villain is not
• 2:27:27
  relevant to the real world. No, sorry.
• 2:27:29
  It was one that's interesting as well because it's not taking
• 2:27:33
  place in the real world is it but the one about this could
• 2:27:37
  have been brilliant if they didn't let the company off the
• 2:27:39
  hook. Yeah, I think I don't think it's
• 2:27:42
  prokary capitalists at all. Really.
• 2:27:45
  I'm sure you know people say I'm too stupid to you know,
• 2:27:50
  understand it all but you know, he was his name in it the goal
• 2:27:55
  to be the bad guys going around planting bombs in the packages
• 2:27:58
  and stuff and he's you know, he's gone all about the system
• 2:28:01
  and everything. And I don't ya.
• 2:28:06
  Yeah, so I I thought and saying it's not.
• 2:28:11
  Not relevant to the real world if this was setting an Amazon
• 2:28:14
  battery and we found out someone was going to blow up lots of
• 2:28:18
  Amazon customers. That would be a that would be
• 2:28:21
  the real world. That's what this person's doing
• 2:28:24
  was going to kill the people in protest.
• 2:28:27
  And that's you know, that's the people shutting down the M25.
• 2:28:31
  That's that's you know. At what point?
• 2:28:35
  Do you cross the line to become a terrorist?
• 2:28:37
  It's doing exactly what Malcolm Holt was doing an invasion of
• 2:28:41
  the dinosaurs. And that looking at the the left
• 2:28:45
  or the people with the right motives, but doing it in the
• 2:28:49
  wrong way and that's fine interesting than looking at the
• 2:28:51
  right being evil, which is what we know.
• 2:28:53
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:28:55
  No, I thought it was. I thought that was definitely in
• 2:28:59
  its made it a good interesting story because I thought I was
• 2:29:03
  going to be a dodgy AI right from the beginning.
• 2:29:06
  Its AI but it was all the party was was a well-meaning lefty.
• 2:29:12
  So we may as well get your reading on it.
• 2:29:14
  Then he was supposed to start it.
• 2:29:16
  So I'm breaking the format. I was no you said but yeah,
• 2:29:24
  well, I it's funny on this. Generally.
• 2:29:27
  I really like it and the kablam man is Iconic and I can tell you
• 2:29:31
  that a for my own point of view because I just straight away.
• 2:29:34
  Come on man is entered the consciousness.
• 2:29:37
  Modern day doctor who hasn't had that many, you know, the Angels
• 2:29:41
  were a long time ago. And the kablam man and the
• 2:29:44
  picture. Yes.
• 2:29:45
  Um when I went to time fracture in London the kablam man was
• 2:29:49
  really really worked really well, you know as just as an
• 2:29:53
  invention, it's really an idea. Teleportation is ridiculous and
• 2:29:57
  we accept it as a thing that happens in science fiction.
• 2:30:00
  So if you take that thing as being real then obviously
• 2:30:02
  everyone teleporting Amazon using teleports as they're about
• 2:30:07
  is their starting to use drones is brilliant.
• 2:30:09
  And then like you say, the bubble wrap is a brilliant idea
• 2:30:12
  everyone loves to pop bubble wrap.
• 2:30:13
  So and then I did like the plotting of it.
• 2:30:17
  I did like the fact that The AI is trying to defend itself and
• 2:30:22
  its the AI That's sending the help.
• 2:30:24
  I'm a prisoner toothpaste Factory sort of message to Dr.
• 2:30:28
  All these things when it went when I'm watching something
• 2:30:31
  special because I'm a writer I go if it turns out to be that
• 2:30:35
  that's disappointing because that's too obvious and I always
• 2:30:37
  like it when the thing that happens is like your second or
• 2:30:40
  third choice along and this does that all the way you think it's
• 2:30:44
  going to be an email Ai and it's sort of is sort of isn't and
• 2:30:47
  then it twists it by making the making the bad guy a good guy.
• 2:30:51
  So that's that's good storytelling for me.
• 2:30:54
  It's it's reminds me of Halo Jones and of a dystopian like
• 2:30:58
  that. Um, I like I like the, you know,
• 2:31:01
  the 10% and go organic and oh and I know we're not allowed to
• 2:31:06
  name drop anymore. But Julie hasman house.
• 2:31:09
  I have worked with she's a she's a pain in one of my audio dramas
• 2:31:12
  with that's the first penalty points.
• 2:31:15
  That means I didn't willing to take it.
• 2:31:20
  Well, that means that I get to throw out one of the stories
• 2:31:23
  we've put through so far. Yeah Rose is just gone out the
• 2:31:32
  just got the bin. Well, yeah, sorry guys points
• 2:31:36
  out that I wanted rows around. So oh, yeah.
• 2:31:38
  He planned this our first ones dropped.
• 2:31:44
  Thanks see and I'll send you the five. no, um, yeah, so yeah, and
• 2:31:50
  Julie has been how it's very weird that people have said this
• 2:31:52
  is broke capitalist thing and of all this of all the episodes
• 2:31:56
  that Julie has been out with a period because she is very very
• 2:32:00
  much on the left and very mature and activists and the campaigner
• 2:32:05
  and and I think she'd be appalled if she thought she'd
• 2:32:08
  been in a pro capitalist episode but I I yeah and I do and and I
• 2:32:17
  am a bit scared of AI and the whole why we were staring at our
• 2:32:20
  phones they took over bit. But it does like I said about a
• 2:32:26
  lot of this season it. Kind of starts well, and then
• 2:32:30
  doesn't quite stick The Landing I think.
• 2:32:34
  It does budget. In the the AI is just every the
• 2:32:39
  equilibrium of leaving. The factory as it is but putting
• 2:32:44
  a patch on the AI isn't quite as satisfying as maybe we need to
• 2:32:47
  kill the AI as well or disable the AI.
• 2:32:51
  Why is the AI staying maybe we need a 100% think about it now.
• 2:32:57
  With the sort of prevalence and oncoming dominance of AI.
• 2:33:03
  I would maybe view this episode. The outcome of it differently to
• 2:33:09
  what I did, you know back then when AI wasn't what it is now.
• 2:33:14
  So what you're saying is quite interesting in but I mean the
• 2:33:17
  fact the fact is even though the AI was doing it to try and make
• 2:33:21
  the bad guy realized what he was doing to other people like
• 2:33:26
  blowing up in innocent woman. It's still did this mad thing
• 2:33:29
  which was a good moment, but that to me is that to really
• 2:33:33
  good reason to shut the air arrest the bad guy and shut the
• 2:33:37
  AI down. Yeah, and the doctor doesn't do
• 2:33:39
  that, you know. And yeah, the doctor doesn't
• 2:33:43
  always need to be revolutionary. You know the doctor I think a
• 2:33:46
  lot of modern fans, especially young youngs for some reasons
• 2:33:51
  and think the doctors always just been very much on the left
• 2:33:54
  and anything remotely pro-capitalist or post status
• 2:33:58
  quo. Is is like not not what doctor
• 2:34:04
  well. Yeah.
• 2:34:06
  Well when in reality the doctor arrives and he is not always
• 2:34:10
  overthrowing evil governments. He's arriving going.
• 2:34:13
  This is a bit shit this Society but this is how it is.
• 2:34:16
  And this and this Society so that you know, he's a tourist
• 2:34:20
  visiting different places and they have different forms of
• 2:34:23
  government. Which is a virus when you know,
• 2:34:28
  he murders the current regime and then leaves some very
• 2:34:32
  morally dubious people in charge and goes well.
• 2:34:34
  See you all later. I hope it goes well.
• 2:34:38
  Yeah. Yeah, I mean if you start having
• 2:34:40
  the doctor basically if you decide to dismantle capitalism
• 2:34:44
  throughout the Universe and don't be very boring program and
• 2:34:48
  if you different and here's if it was invented and Soviet
• 2:34:51
  Russia and the oil is that you know, the show is made by the
• 2:34:56
  BBC, you know, yeah, that's a big organization, you know
• 2:35:00
  baking money. Yeah, you know, if you are that
• 2:35:04
  kind of anti-capitalist, you know, we'll probably go and
• 2:35:08
  watch any film or TV or listen to music and you know, yeah.
• 2:35:12
  Yeah. No, no, and I don't know.
• 2:35:15
  I mean how much of a discussion of capitalism but if you
• 2:35:17
  actually Take away capitalism. You actually are not a
• 2:35:21
  capitalist then you if you actually examine yourself and I
• 2:35:24
  find myself going. Well.
• 2:35:25
  I kind of I'm a capitalist just you don't have to go all the way
• 2:35:30
  down the end to ai's running everything and to you know, just
• 2:35:36
  stop being a capitalist. But but I found myself a bit
• 2:35:40
  like with Rosa the plot kind of Bella part a bit for me it was
• 2:35:46
  brilliant and a good setup and I could find myself going I just
• 2:35:49
  solve bits here and there and tweak it here and there and it
• 2:35:53
  would have come out. I'm interested to see if maybe
• 2:35:54
  they what do they do with the book we'd be spoiling it for
• 2:35:59
  people know it's the same essential plot is just the
• 2:36:03
  characters and the backgrounds and a few flashbacks to when
• 2:36:06
  people younger and things like this.
• 2:36:07
  Yeah it push it builds the the AI element, isn't it you you You
• 2:36:15
  see the flashbacks of Julie's character when she was younger
• 2:36:18
  and correct me if I'm wrong. So it was since I read it but
• 2:36:22
  you know the dad and the mama the fighting against the AI and
• 2:36:26
  if they lost their job or he's lost his job to to Ai and then,
• 2:36:29
  you know becomes this kind of growing thing that starts to
• 2:36:33
  take away jobs and you know all of that and it's exactly what's
• 2:36:37
  happening. Now, I can see why he's done it
• 2:36:40
  but Pete essentially makes it less Pro Amazon and more anti AI
• 2:36:44
  which is which is a lot softer and gentler for the people
• 2:36:48
  absorbing the story in the current climate but a lot more
• 2:36:52
  boring as well. Yeah, but then because of my
• 2:36:56
  feelings towards AI the book resonated more with me in some
• 2:37:01
  ways, you know again, I couldn't decide whether you was keeping
• 2:37:04
  it. I'm I think I'm working out in
• 2:37:08
  my head. It's it's yet another three star
• 2:37:10
  three out of five. That's the right side of five
• 2:37:14
  though, isn't it? Come on down.
• 2:37:15
  What did I say earlier? Don't get swayed by Joe free is
• 2:37:18
  the right side of it was two out five.
• 2:37:20
  It would be the right side of people.
• 2:37:22
  Oh, yeah, but just like to say as well about the blame man that
• 2:37:26
  the design that was a death. Yeah and Mr. Dressed up as the
• 2:37:32
  black that was brilliant a slightly in teleport him away.
• 2:37:38
  I am going to say But it's a three out of five for me.
• 2:37:45
  And Julie has been houch's lovely and I've worked with Rob
• 2:37:49
  glenister in my in my drama and I've already I've already I've
• 2:37:52
  already done this name dropping we've just lost the ghosts that
• 2:37:55
  I've been serious as well. Oh, yeah, that's two come if you
• 2:38:01
  are being serious. I'm leaving now.
• 2:38:03
  I'm being serious. Oh, no, would you know what?
• 2:38:06
  I I don't have I don't have a lot of affection for this
• 2:38:09
  season. So I just see what see what's
• 2:38:12
  left of the record. Um, but is it yes or no?
• 2:38:17
  You just it's a it's just a keep it.
• 2:38:21
  Oh, that's the longest Builder. Good man.
• 2:38:24
  Good man. I know.
• 2:38:27
  Go on that show. I think it was getting caught up
• 2:38:29
  on the messaging and nobody's getting caught up on the rest of
• 2:38:33
  what this episode has to offer. No.
• 2:38:35
  Yeah, I just like to say this is you know, my assessment of it
• 2:38:38
  was quite simple. I enjoyed it.
• 2:38:40
  You know, it's got great design robots.
• 2:38:44
  Uh, you know that turn into Killer Robots.
• 2:38:46
  It's got some exciting chasing because he's a cute little you
• 2:38:51
  know, the robot it was the first version of it all it's you know,
• 2:38:56
  just some great stuff from Jodi in it.
• 2:38:58
  If you're saying all my points here.
• 2:38:59
  Yeah. Oh, sorry message about internet
• 2:39:02
  you just now we've just lost it takes you away as well done.
• 2:39:06
  That one. I like I would also say that one
• 2:39:12
  of the harshest criticisms Paul and I have ever received was
• 2:39:16
  that we interrupt too much. Well, don't worry about it.
• 2:39:19
  I've proven that I was talking nonsense, but I think I think
• 2:39:25
  people don't celebrate the the tone of this story enough how
• 2:39:28
  working it is and how fun it is the pace of this story which it
• 2:39:33
  rumbles along out of fantastic pace of all that investigation
• 2:39:36
  going on the gags. There's a very witty gags in
• 2:39:39
  this episode. I particularly like when twirly
• 2:39:42
  says the doctor in the middle, Max the last person to exhibit
• 2:39:46
  symptoms like you purchase blood pressure tablets, right as they
• 2:39:50
  as we hit the critical mass in the climax the brilliant idea of
• 2:39:55
  bubble wrap killing people because what's the first thing
• 2:39:56
  we do bubble wrap? Of course, we pop it.
• 2:39:58
  There's nothing more Doctor Who than that in this season then
• 2:40:02
  taking bubble wrap and making it something like a terrorist
• 2:40:04
  weapon. I think it's got a very quirky
• 2:40:08
  visual palette as well very different from the rest of the
• 2:40:10
  season again, it clam itself is brilliantly conceived.
• 2:40:14
  I sort of see a bit cartel ask and in fact the way the Kaplan
• 2:40:18
  man lands in the hardest is very great at showing the Galaxy just
• 2:40:22
  like the junk mail in that and then just like great showing the
• 2:40:25
  Galaxy we go off to a very sort of quirky eccentric location to
• 2:40:29
  do a lot of Investigation. So I'm see I see lots of sort of
• 2:40:33
  McCoy parallels in this story and I think Chipmunks quite a
• 2:40:37
  fan actually the kabana are really creepy.
• 2:40:39
  There's lots of great things in the dark where you just see the
• 2:40:42
  eyes and that's why Classes walking around a wonderful.
• 2:40:46
  I like you said the conveyor scenes Jeff really fun like
• 2:40:50
  visual ambition in those scenes that's taking really to a whole
• 2:40:54
  new level. I love the park recreation room
• 2:40:56
  as well. I love the Love Story between
• 2:40:59
  Keira and I can't remember his name either.
• 2:41:01
  I'm gonna play Charlie. I'm going to call him.
• 2:41:02
  Come on, the only one that remembers and I think it's a lot
• 2:41:05
  of shit. Oh, he's Lovely World.
• 2:41:07
  Well, he's lovely until we realize he's a mass killer.
• 2:41:11
  Yeah, um, but most importantly of all much like the second half
• 2:41:16
  of this season. It's got a fantastic doctor in
• 2:41:19
  this she is excited about the club man.
• 2:41:22
  I love it when she puts on the face.
• 2:41:24
  Yes the first year quick to investigate and invade the
• 2:41:27
  company when she realized this something's going wrong very
• 2:41:29
  doctor ish. Great with people here down in
• 2:41:32
  the packing system. She threatens the management
• 2:41:35
  team when she thinks they're the problem and she takes down the
• 2:41:38
  terrorist plot as well on every single beat.
• 2:41:41
  You've got a fantastic as on the page and then you give the worst
• 2:41:44
  to Jodie Whittaker and she just flies with it all.
• 2:41:48
  Rod you say it is really and I have that in my notes you say in
• 2:41:52
  the first half of this episode that you wanted Jody to stand up
• 2:41:57
  to. The fellow that published and
• 2:42:00
  you said that she the doctor should be the moral Arbiter of
• 2:42:03
  yes, the universe are called bulshit on that and so be hey
• 2:42:07
  don't made a very good argument in our season 1 episode as to
• 2:42:10
  why that was never the case at the start of the show and the
• 2:42:14
  show was a lot more interesting and morally grey for it.
• 2:42:17
  She clearly does like the convenience of using the kablam
• 2:42:20
  system. And at the same time she is
• 2:42:23
  willing to criticize it but who amongst us who amongst us here
• 2:42:26
  has not used Amazon in the past. And those are the practices that
• 2:42:29
  are going on. If any of us do that, we do not
• 2:42:32
  have the right to criticize Jody whisker at the end of this
• 2:42:35
  episode of always. Well pop cat or black.
• 2:42:38
  I think it's more interesting. It's more interesting if she
• 2:42:41
  isn't and I realize I'm being contradictory when I say I love
• 2:42:45
  her singing at the end of Orphan 55 where she stays straight out
• 2:42:47
  the camera being moral Arbiter of the universe, but frankly,
• 2:42:51
  that's a warning this worth hearing and all 55.
• 2:42:53
  So I'll let it slide. I just okay when you it's okay,
• 2:42:57
  but not when it's not not. I'm not even say this.
• 2:43:00
  Okay, I think it's more interesting.
• 2:43:01
  I think it's more interesting if the doctors in a morally gray
• 2:43:04
  area. It's a bit like the bit and spy
• 2:43:06
  for when she reveals the Masters color.
• 2:43:08
  I don't like what she's doing. But I think she's a more
• 2:43:11
  interesting character for doing it.
• 2:43:12
  It muddies the water this nicely nice to their everybody says
• 2:43:16
  that Jodie with career is she has moments of real darkness.
• 2:43:20
  And this is one of them where she's a bit contradictory and my
• 2:43:23
  last point of many many points as a while.
• 2:43:25
  I like this episode is twirly who I think should have gone
• 2:43:29
  along with the doctor just like canine.
• 2:43:31
  I would love to see what he in the Tardis offering insane
• 2:43:35
  purchases throughout the rest of the season because it's a really
• 2:43:38
  fun little character. Yeah.
• 2:43:40
  I think this is great. I think this is a Pacey fun
• 2:43:43
  mystery. It has a great conclusion
• 2:43:46
  Authority into contradiction. I think the rock is pulled when
• 2:43:49
  we realized that Charlie is in fact responsible for this that
• 2:43:51
  massive image of all the couple and then in that warehouse
• 2:43:55
  always lighting up ready to go off and do their terrorist
• 2:43:58
  attacks. I think this is great.
• 2:44:00
  Well, you're all talking about scribble know this is not going
• 2:44:02
  through but of course is because my vote once again is to serve
• 2:44:06
  on this one Joe. You said you like the the visual
• 2:44:10
  palette of yeah, awesome work for me.
• 2:44:12
  I think there's a real disconnect between the sets the
• 2:44:15
  production design the direction. So we start with that great
• 2:44:18
  establishing shop, which really established the Blum Warehouse.
• 2:44:21
  We then go inside that really odd reception.
• 2:44:24
  I don't quite get the reception. It's huge and it's very very
• 2:44:28
  empathy. There are currently 10,000 staff
• 2:44:31
  working here. We don't get any sense.
• 2:44:33
  Like in fact receptions manned by the head of HR.
• 2:44:36
  We did in the park. There was lots of people in the
• 2:44:38
  park on their break, but see the thing for me with something like
• 2:44:41
  that Rod is I can just look past it because it costs a lot to get
• 2:44:46
  lots of extras in what's the point?
• 2:44:47
  I'd rather they spent it on a flashy CGI conveyor belt
• 2:44:50
  sequence. That's fine.
• 2:44:51
  But why pick a location that's so vast and so Covenant because
• 2:44:54
  all it does is accentuates be a bit where else and then just no
• 2:45:00
  point spending the money on the extras because we get there
• 2:45:05
  might be 10,000 people there but There's only one per one per
• 2:45:10
  small area. That's Away by white flagging
• 2:45:13
  and give up. On all of it.
• 2:45:22
  Yeah, I just disconnected from me.
• 2:45:24
  I just don't quite see we've got the Fulfillment area, which is
• 2:45:28
  Tiny only big enough for Ryan the doctor and career and then
• 2:45:31
  we go to Slade's office, which is an empty it just nothing
• 2:45:35
  quite fits together for me. We've got reception where we've
• 2:45:38
  got this weird archive that they have to go to to get the winky
• 2:45:42
  or whatever. He's called and the map Why
• 2:45:46
  would they have that in the reception of a warehouse?
• 2:45:49
  It just doesn't make any artifact from the past.
• 2:45:52
  I explained it in the script but in the reception of a warehouse
• 2:45:56
  where people are going to work because it's important.
• 2:45:58
  So the plot Rod you very much. It's a company homogene its
• 2:46:06
  Origins. Well, I'm about Amazon has a map
• 2:46:10
  of its first warehouse and I bet people that he does in his head
• 2:46:14
  office but not in its warehouse. But anyway, we'll move that on
• 2:46:17
  the two bits that do Sally quite.
• 2:46:20
  Well, I think are the conveyor belt sequence which is very
• 2:46:23
  attack of the Clones. Although again Ryan with his
• 2:46:27
  dyspraxia. I'm not quite sure are we jumped
• 2:46:29
  so elegantly from one belt to another we just He do it.
• 2:46:35
  I can't do it. Well, yeah, it is the shittiest
• 2:46:42
  thing about season 11. I wonder how many times they
• 2:46:45
  went. I wonder how many times you
• 2:46:47
  went. I wish we hadn't give him
• 2:46:48
  fucking dyspraxia exactly because he's got there's enough
• 2:46:51
  things going on with writing his scripts and he's got fucking
• 2:46:53
  just draw everyone's attention to it and then do fuk with it.
• 2:46:57
  Oh, yeah what's here? When he's nervous to jump on
• 2:47:00
  that combo first. He still doesn't he's just
• 2:47:05
  fucking leap 24 foot and then not kill himself.
• 2:47:10
  How many people despite you if you if you met that ended up in
• 2:47:14
  flashy CGI conveyor belt sequences, really only three and
• 2:47:19
  what was the outside? He's a hero.
• 2:47:26
  He's a hot hero. What can I say making someone
• 2:47:29
  just brexit and then making them this dyslexia turn on and off.
• 2:47:33
  Is possibly just silly writing it's like there's enough going
• 2:47:37
  on without oh and he's got this right here as well.
• 2:47:40
  Jesus Christ. Well, we'll get to that later
• 2:47:43
  on. Yeah supporting characters don't
• 2:47:46
  particularly work for me. There's just too many questions
• 2:47:48
  the end of this. So if the AI knows that child is
• 2:47:50
  behind it all why does it send a cryptic message to doctor?
• 2:47:54
  Why doesn't it message head of security or head of HR?
• 2:47:57
  It just sends a message. The AI I know is it's Charlie
• 2:48:00
  but it messages the doctor in outer space and sends a cryptic
• 2:48:04
  message. It doesn't make any bloody
• 2:48:05
  sense. We can assume that have as a
• 2:48:08
  doctor was ordered through kablam before, you know, they've
• 2:48:12
  got a relationship. I think you reaching out of that
• 2:48:15
  stuff, but why does it a story? Why it's pancake.
• 2:48:21
  It's why why doesn't the AI just murdered Charlie with loads of
• 2:48:27
  it had the saranga and no, okay. I'm going to Yeah, I'm not very
• 2:48:35
  I'm not very enthusiastic about this one.
• 2:48:37
  So it's weird so you can probably guess this is possibly
• 2:48:41
  my least favorite of the Season or it's definitely up there.
• 2:48:45
  It's definitely one. I didn't I hardly remembered
• 2:48:49
  watching until I re-watched it for this.
• 2:48:50
  So yeah, I'm going for the just angry just hanger and drum and a
• 2:48:56
  generally don't like it again. It's probably a three out of
• 2:49:00
  five, but definitely on the Edging towards the two side of
• 2:49:04
  the three. there's lots of it's totally confused as the big
• 2:49:11
  thing. I put there's a silly monster,
• 2:49:14
  but it's thoughtful in places and there's a poem at the end.
• 2:49:16
  I cannot did I like the poem. I can't remember.
• 2:49:22
  It's just it's just a bit of a weird nothing of an episode for
• 2:49:26
  me. And I really hated the putting
• 2:49:29
  really hated the patting. its its I like who took you Reign
• 2:49:38
  baby and you put Tropics of Kinsale, which is possibly going
• 2:49:42
  to be a big finish box set at some point.
• 2:49:44
  Um, but And the Book of the celebrants stuff are quite like
• 2:49:49
  the dialogue. I like I like.
• 2:49:52
  The main thing from be watching this is going I really did like
• 2:49:56
  Jody's daughter and I probably wasn't used to it at the
• 2:49:59
  beginning. I didn't mind her and now I
• 2:50:01
  really like her and I think I prefer this season of all three
• 2:50:05
  of them. but the thing Threat Level chalice was quite nice one
• 2:50:12
  up from beetroot, or was it too silly?
• 2:50:14
  I can't even decide. It's it's just a bit of another
• 2:50:19
  thing for me this one. And I still can't really
• 2:50:24
  remember it. even though I've watched it twice and what and
• 2:50:29
  once quite recently so I guess Over to you you guys I did like
• 2:50:36
  Ryan and his dad. But the realization that his dad
• 2:50:40
  was only 19. So there's some nice moments
• 2:50:43
  woven in and I quite like Doc Brown and the woman from
• 2:50:47
  casualty. Whose name.
• 2:50:49
  I can't remember. But she was in that thing from
• 2:50:52
  with Valentine's Day Adventure. Oh, nothing named Trump.
• 2:50:58
  No, no glennister. I'm Gonna Save that.
• 2:51:01
  Oh that is a name drop bang know that no, but that that channel
• 2:51:06
  five that was on the Adobe Premiere.
• 2:51:08
  She was in it. Anyway, I can't remember her
• 2:51:10
  name. But yeah.
• 2:51:12
  So again, I've got no enthusiasm for this one whatsoever.
• 2:51:15
  So it's weird. It feels weird to even suggested
• 2:51:18
  so don't hate it. It's not one.
• 2:51:20
  I'm putting forward because I actually hate it.
• 2:51:23
  I just think it's it's maybe the most my doctor who has been.
• 2:51:30
  Let's go to the sorry. Yeah, and that'll do let's go to
• 2:51:38
  the comments then Jeff Richardson completely disagrees
• 2:51:41
  and says is the best episode of the series it puts pushes its
• 2:51:44
  message hard and reinforces the goal of Doctor Who to bring
• 2:51:47
  everyone together against a common foe also bad Health Care
• 2:51:50
  Systems that don't serve people Jason Thompson agrees.
• 2:51:54
  What's not to love? It has a decent sci-fi setting a
• 2:51:57
  different monster a solid Castle supporting characters and some
• 2:52:01
  believable emotional bees. The only criticism is generally
• 2:52:04
  applicable to Children episode in that nice quiet character
• 2:52:07
  moments in this case Ryan and yes is conversation about
• 2:52:10
  parenting Hood have a plot grind have the plot grind to a halt
• 2:52:14
  for them rather than being integrated into events.
• 2:52:17
  You always give me these tongue twisters, but Jason says keep
• 2:52:21
  it. I mean you might as a bit
• 2:52:22
  lifeless in the pregnant man is a joke stretch too far better
• 2:52:25
  like his stomach properly, but the thing is a fun little
• 2:52:28
  monster crash dummy amazing. English fun cute brilliant
• 2:52:32
  alien, and this is the moment the dock and Yaz have the first
• 2:52:35
  connection that feels possibly like more than just combatants
• 2:52:39
  look since Jenkins says to people hate this I don't the
• 2:52:42
  putting is cute. It's around her.
• 2:52:44
  I start feeling like I'm watching a different show to
• 2:52:46
  everyone else because I'm loving it.
• 2:52:48
  Jodie is fast becoming my favorite to the modern doctors.
• 2:52:51
  What is going on for everyone? Hey this Adam Richard says, it's
• 2:52:55
  great. And that's really in space,
• 2:52:56
  which is my dream TV show. The team was a wonderful one
• 2:53:00
  because concept like a chaotic like a chaotic rather than evil
• 2:53:05
  Meep really enjoyed the many competing space Hopper Hospital
• 2:53:08
  story lines so many characters and stories James Lark says
• 2:53:12
  highlights the issue with this season.
• 2:53:13
  It's a perfectly serviceable sci-fi story.
• 2:53:16
  But everything about it is as forgettable as its title.
• 2:53:19
  I've just read the plots and some Wikipedia and still barely
• 2:53:22
  remember it jakooz is my feeling make the Dreadful mistake of
• 2:53:27
  killing off the most interesting character early and the hottest
• 2:53:30
  Rest like the ghost Monument. It's it doesn't say that by the
• 2:53:34
  way, Jack White. That was me and like the ghost
• 2:53:37
  one human. It's a really fun premise
• 2:53:38
  getting screwed by the lack of a decent Supporting Cast of
• 2:53:41
  characters, but the pating incredibly fun.
• 2:53:45
  Michael storms is an unmemorable sci-fi title on top of an
• 2:53:49
  equally a memorable episode what could have been the fam's first
• 2:53:52
  exposure to the weird and wonderful life of the universe.
• 2:53:54
  He's instead more like a dull episode of Deep Space Nine
• 2:53:57
  minutes, we've got we do have to remember though the last episode
• 2:54:01
  that we recorded Michael storms said that Nightmare and silver
• 2:54:04
  was the best Cybermen episode of all time.
• 2:54:06
  I think he might be on something Dylan really says great fun.
• 2:54:11
  The king is brilliantly realized and a great monster.
• 2:54:14
  It blows my mind that people could hate this and finally Andy
• 2:54:17
  Parkinson says, it's largely a bit of fluffy fun in these cute.
• 2:54:20
  It's not a classic by any means but it's entertaining enough
• 2:54:24
  that was really positive. I was not expecting that at all.
• 2:54:27
  I remember when this was the the Just episode of Doctor Who ever
• 2:54:32
  according to Twitter for quite a long time.
• 2:54:35
  Well that was until every time the children came out then it
• 2:54:39
  was until legend of the sea Devils came out then it was
• 2:54:42
  until Road came out the star piece.
• 2:54:44
  Remember when it used to be robots of Sherwood and every
• 2:54:49
  Guardian comments stopped on the doctor and the doctor who thing
• 2:54:53
  just started with that was no robots of Sherwood.
• 2:54:55
  I guess that robots to show it is great fun.
• 2:54:59
  Yeah. I like I was sure I still don't
• 2:55:02
  like it chef. Well, it was short know what no
• 2:55:09
  one when I say that I really enjoyed this one.
• 2:55:12
  I particularly know really the set design on this.
• 2:55:17
  It's so sleek and futuristic looking and I kind of you know,
• 2:55:22
  sci-fi can be kind of, you know, Rusty and dirty like alien, but
• 2:55:28
  I kind of like it when it's sleek and shiny and you know,
• 2:55:31
  really like in my head that's kind of what picture is stuff,
• 2:55:35
  you know to be like so I love the set in this the batting I
• 2:55:40
  think is a is a great little he's little bastard and I love
• 2:55:44
  that little thing and I come over if I said this before But
• 2:55:48
  sometimes I tried to remember that the show is being made for
• 2:55:54
  massively wide audience kids adults, you know people who are
• 2:56:00
  older than I am, etc. Etc.
• 2:56:01
  And I showed my kids a bit with the betaine where he eats the
• 2:56:06
  Sonic and he burps and they thought it was brilliant because
• 2:56:08
  it was disgusting and they loved him and so for me, you know, I
• 2:56:13
  enjoy the episode as it is, but it's hard to You know hate it
• 2:56:18
  when I know that that there's kids out there who enjoying the
• 2:56:21
  putting and and the whole thing because of that and I really
• 2:56:26
  like Jody's mini speech about the years at the antimatter
• 2:56:30
  thing and she you see there. She's so passionate about it.
• 2:56:33
  She's so excited, you know, just to be the doctor to be
• 2:56:38
  experiencing this and in it's one of the things I love about
• 2:56:41
  her that that enthusiasm about can I put fish have said and
• 2:56:46
  then you just the bit where you get some more hints about, you
• 2:56:52
  know, the doctor and and the history and you know that all of
• 2:56:55
  that when you know, one of the other characters says, oh I, you
• 2:56:58
  know read about you in you know, my books and then the doctors is
• 2:57:02
  actually it was three chapters or whatever it is or three
• 2:57:04
  volumes in as you kind of plays it down and then you know kind
• 2:57:07
  of actually, you know, there was more relevant that yeah and then
• 2:57:13
  is this is the episode where the they asked the doctor what you a
• 2:57:17
  doctor off and she's like candy floss Lego maths and all this
• 2:57:21
  stuff and oh God how great not only how great is Jody but how
• 2:57:27
  great is his daughter and that for me like he's just all the
• 2:57:31
  fun the the optimism the energy that she has and the character
• 2:57:35
  hasn't and you know, I will as you can tell defend all of this
• 2:57:40
  until my dying day and I and I think if you know, you can't
• 2:57:46
  Look at this. If you look at this episode of
• 2:57:47
  can't enjoy something in it. Then you've got, you know a
• 2:57:51
  Heart Made of Stone. I think I'm not being waving.
• 2:57:57
  I'm not being contentious when I ask you this question.
• 2:58:00
  But I'm going to ask you this question anyway, because I've
• 2:58:02
  got a feeling you're gonna put everything through do you think
• 2:58:05
  this is a Flawless error then do you feel that?
• 2:58:07
  There's no problems with the Cristiano era?
• 2:58:10
  Yeah. I generally do I am and I
• 2:58:13
  couldn't care less whether you know, anyone, you know, you need
• 2:58:17
  it. You're not really a fan of the
• 2:58:18
  show. Like I had some dick head on
• 2:58:19
  Facebook. Tell me the other day.
• 2:58:21
  I always loved Doctor Who but then this year came along and I
• 2:58:27
  never loved it as much and it and it just escalated throughout
• 2:58:32
  the whole three two seasons for me.
• 2:58:34
  I just the you know, the the power of Jody's doctor and
• 2:58:41
  everything that You know all of the characteristics all of her
• 2:58:45
  traits just resonated. So strongly with me.
• 2:58:47
  I enjoyed the stories. I felt more connection to
• 2:58:50
  everything in it then I had before and so it's weird having
• 2:58:54
  you know, always loved Doctor Who but then like this came
• 2:58:58
  along and I It off to 57 years to show was perfect.
• 2:59:01
  And I was like, I can't believe how good this is are just I love
• 2:59:06
  it. So I wish I could see this area
• 2:59:08
  for your eyes because as a as an amateur critic of Television,
• 2:59:12
  which after doing 800 episodes of hamster, I'll see you I love
• 2:59:18
  to hear and I love the vibe of it and I love Jody whiskey and
• 2:59:20
  there's so much I love about this era but I can see its
• 2:59:24
  flaws. I think chibnall occasionally
• 2:59:26
  writes very ropey dialogue. The pacing is off at times even
• 2:59:29
  too fast or too slow. Sometimes there's sometimes too
• 2:59:32
  many characters in the stories and things like that.
• 2:59:34
  Whereas actually I kind of wish I could just jump in like you do
• 2:59:37
  and you know, I often say to Paul on the pork or sooner.
• 2:59:41
  I'm busy stupid because you say that a lot and I don't think you
• 2:59:46
  should because well it's because I feel I feel embarrassed to
• 2:59:52
  like it. No, that's not what I don't feel
• 2:59:54
  about she should of the fact that I liked it, but that's a
• 2:59:58
  who found you get so much. Criticism and negativity from
• 3:00:02
  people who don't like the era and you know, you have to defend
• 3:00:05
  it. You know, why do I like it?
• 3:00:07
  Well, I do and yes, they're all floors.
• 3:00:10
  Everything is called flaws. But and this is why I say I feel
• 3:00:14
  like I'm probably a bit stupid. Because I can look past it
• 3:00:17
  because the emotional response I get to watching it.
• 3:00:21
  It makes me happy and I couldn't care less if the dialogue is a
• 3:00:26
  bit ropey or you know, there's too many characters.
• 3:00:29
  I'm enjoying what I'm watching and and being with that doctor
• 3:00:35
  and it you know, it makes me happy then any other of who I'm
• 3:00:39
  a little envious if I know that's supposed to be quite but
• 3:00:43
  you should be described how Dr. Who is but to all of us to
• 3:00:48
  people? I'm sure Doctor Who?
• 3:00:50
  Yeah, that's true. Or I don't get the same and
• 3:00:55
  like, you know, my wife says to me you've got a very passing in
• 3:01:00
  you know, like if I watched or watch it, but she wouldn't say,
• 3:01:04
  you know, sit down and watch it with you and she says, oh I you
• 3:01:07
  know, I don't get it. You know, it's not realistic.
• 3:01:09
  It's all on spaceships. It's aliens and things like
• 3:01:12
  that. But you know, like I like that
• 3:01:15
  Adventure that escape. And that fantasy element, you
• 3:01:18
  know, and some people don't my wife.
• 3:01:19
  You know, she likes Gray's Anatomy.
• 3:01:21
  She likes more realistic things. So she finds it slightly hard to
• 3:01:24
  kind of, you know, get into this sort of thing, but I firmly
• 3:01:28
  believe that so I'm just laughing at the idea that Gray's
• 3:01:30
  Anatomy is realistic, you know, it's not a spaceship, you know,
• 3:01:34
  I mean, yeah and you know any fantasy or sci-fi or whatever,
• 3:01:40
  you know, it can have believable characters with things that you
• 3:01:44
  can relate to and identify with and you know, it's like when
• 3:01:47
  they used to write Buffy, you know, they'd say, right.
• 3:01:50
  What's the problem for the character this week?
• 3:01:52
  What's the emotional? You know situation right?
• 3:01:55
  We figured that out. Now, what's the cool morning so
• 3:01:58
  that we get to fight and and you know dress it up with and and I
• 3:02:02
  always start with me because you know, that's how you should
• 3:02:05
  approach this stuff, you know to make it, you know, relatable
• 3:02:08
  despite robots and aliens and stuff blowing up.
• 3:02:11
  Yeah. Well, I think what I think what
• 3:02:14
  this area gets, right? Like every year he gets right.
• 3:02:19
  Is that even if the story isn't it?
• 3:02:23
  It's like with Buffy you hanging out with a character.
• 3:02:25
  Yeah, and it becomes your happy place some more than others, but
• 3:02:30
  it's the characters, you know, whether you're watching stranger
• 3:02:33
  things or Buffy or Doctor Who or Star Trek you're hanging out
• 3:02:37
  with a character's and the adventures can Wax and Wane in
• 3:02:42
  terms of quality. And I think the chiminea to this
• 3:02:45
  first season gets such a lovely. I love the Tardis, too.
• 3:02:49
  Jodie's tires team is really I I just you know being in that
• 3:02:55
  company is you know, the the best feeling I get when I watch
• 3:03:00
  who and that, you know, and I love it all you know, and Yeah
• 3:03:07
  this go on and on but I'm aware that you know, yeah.
• 3:03:11
  It's right on the season overview there.
• 3:03:14
  I love it all but yeah, I just that's this.
• 3:03:20
  What are you talking about? Someone's think yeah.
• 3:03:23
  Okay. Yeah, maybe I could look at
• 3:03:24
  things a bit more critically and I you know, I can't do that.
• 3:03:28
  You know what I know you can do that because you just looked at
• 3:03:31
  the rusty Davis season and you've looked at it with a very
• 3:03:33
  critical one. I don't mean negative but
• 3:03:36
  critical I you've seen all the floors that are there.
• 3:03:38
  Whereas all I'm not saying you're not seeing the floor so I
• 3:03:43
  hear but I think you're choosing not to see them because you love
• 3:03:47
  it so much. Yeah at some point.
• 3:03:51
  You're going to put everything through but at some point you're
• 3:03:53
  going to be voting for your babies and only one of them have
• 3:03:56
  to live it. That's true.
• 3:03:57
  That's not true. Because I've already chopped
• 3:04:00
  half of them out because so many penalty points and and you're
• 3:04:04
  right by now. Nothing's left in.
• 3:04:06
  Yeah, that's right. But Joe, you're right.
• 3:04:08
  You know, I like look past the stuff and this era but because
• 3:04:12
  of you know, how adults and how the family and the whole how
• 3:04:16
  overall works for me and how it makes me feel and with the
• 3:04:19
  recent season. You know, I didn't feel that and
• 3:04:24
  and I was shooting was great. Like it just didn't connect with
• 3:04:27
  me the same way. And so perhaps those flaws were
• 3:04:32
  more glaring for me. Where is that really rolled?
• 3:04:35
  And I rolled now. I know you love RTD and you love
• 3:04:39
  that most That season absolutely an episode of other people have
• 3:04:43
  said but deeply flawed you absolutely loved.
• 3:04:45
  Absolutely. I just think I think we're we're
• 3:04:48
  blinding in here as We Vibe with oh really really test founds
• 3:04:54
  that so sure in their own. Let's get aggressive.
• 3:04:58
  Yeah. I've said this on another
• 3:05:01
  podcast but it's a I was a I was a I'm not Dylan reached doesn't
• 3:05:07
  count as named dropping does he? Yes, he does he there's eight
• 3:05:12
  gone so far as a Hooverville with Dylan Reese who nine so
• 3:05:16
  looks Love's the chimney era. Yeah, and he said that and
• 3:05:23
  everyone had had a few Scoops Matthew bought a house was
• 3:05:26
  there. Um, so I'm just I'm just gonna
• 3:05:29
  get rid of the whole and that's everything done.
• 3:05:31
  We might as well finish. Well, thank you, but somebody
• 3:05:35
  somebody who I won't name who's also lovely, but when he heard
• 3:05:39
  this he became enraged and started screaming it.
• 3:05:42
  Please name them. No, no done something socially
• 3:05:51
  awkward then we'd have no friends the anyway and he just
• 3:06:03
  say let me speak. I'm not chance to play this
• 3:06:06
  because you know, you're in it. Oh episode of series 11.
• 3:06:14
  It's gonna be more time. Just let me just hear this.
• 3:06:26
  I need to hear it started screaming at Dillon saying you
• 3:06:30
  obviously know nothing about television you obviously know
• 3:06:33
  nothing about television know and I was just it was only
• 3:06:40
  afterwards that I found out that Dylan ironically Works in
• 3:06:45
  television because just like quite a bit about television but
• 3:06:49
  smiling going. Well, that's your opinion.
• 3:06:52
  I want that, okay. Alright the surrender conundrum.
• 3:07:08
  Do you remember we were talking about that?
• 3:07:10
  I mean, yes. The worst episode of all time.
• 3:07:18
  I agree with you Jeff that it's got some great sets and the
• 3:07:23
  design looks lovely. I also agree with you that the
• 3:07:27
  invading monster is interesting and unique but It's still got
• 3:07:33
  far too many problems for me to pop this one through.
• 3:07:36
  Can you add a little sound effect of me falling off my
• 3:07:38
  chair at that point in shock? What the bits where I agree with
• 3:07:41
  you? Yeah, okay.
• 3:07:43
  So my first reason for booting this out is a line said by Ryan
• 3:07:48
  Ryan says why am I even talking about this and that's when he
• 3:07:52
  stops the plot for five minutes to have a heart with Yas, even
• 3:07:55
  though they're up against a countdown and that's kind of for
• 3:07:59
  me that's endemic about so many characters in this story who
• 3:08:02
  just talked to you as though they're reading out the
• 3:08:04
  character bios. They just explain things for no
• 3:08:07
  reason so say gray and walks in on Dierks Dierks is trying to
• 3:08:11
  illegally break into his sister's medical record dirkos
• 3:08:15
  makes no attempt to cover our bodies doing but instead he
• 3:08:18
  tells Graham who he's never even spoken to before tells him what
• 3:08:22
  he's doing. Why is he doing it a potential
• 3:08:25
  of the relationship with his sister and it is deep emotional
• 3:08:28
  feelings on the matter four sentences.
• 3:08:30
  He's like on some sort fucking truth drug.
• 3:08:33
  He's never met this guy before and he just lets it all out.
• 3:08:36
  He's only faced. It's the same with yes when he's
• 3:08:40
  pumped in a truth drug and to these Rancor shaped and you hear
• 3:08:44
  that? No I missed that another line.
• 3:08:46
  You was really in the episode even though it wasn't this is
• 3:08:50
  yet another spin-off for Joe Ford Joe Ford's fixes.
• 3:08:53
  That's right. Go forward fixes on the new
• 3:08:57
  territory sticks are fixed it with a line.
• 3:08:58
  Yes. I was just and Yost does the
• 3:09:01
  same the general doesn't say she's just tells the doctor.
• 3:09:03
  I'll backstory none of it feels natural or earned.
• 3:09:06
  It's just clumsy and why are they doing that and that leads
• 3:09:10
  into my second reason just too much going on here.
• 3:09:13
  It's ridiculous. How many plot lines are in this
• 3:09:15
  story? We start with the doctrine the
• 3:09:17
  team being blown up which you know, you could get quite a bit
• 3:09:20
  of plot out there, but they make the best recovery.
• 3:09:22
  Oh Everly they've been four days in the hospital.
• 3:09:25
  They've not even put the doctrine in a hospital gown.
• 3:09:27
  She still in a get up to four days little bit odd, but that's
• 3:09:31
  not a storyline that just goes nowhere.
• 3:09:33
  Then there's the big mystery about the family being separated
• 3:09:35
  from the Tardis that then gets forgotten about then we get all
• 3:09:38
  there's a big mystery about the saranga and the doctor recognize
• 3:09:41
  the names like I kind of thought was going to be a bit like
• 3:09:43
  Carnival of monsters where the doctor recognizes this is a
• 3:09:47
  famous ship from his straight, but no, it's just that she knows
• 3:09:50
  it or eventually transpires that she just knows saranga was a
• 3:09:54
  ship not a hospital which is just a very lame resolution and
• 3:09:57
  goes nowhere. Then he got the threat of the
• 3:09:59
  thing you've got the threat of recess one blowing them up.
• 3:10:02
  Then he got the threats of asteroids then he got the threat
• 3:10:05
  to throw his life. Then he got the threat to the
• 3:10:07
  baby just too much going on strip it back and would have
• 3:10:11
  been a whole lot better. I'm thirdly.
• 3:10:14
  I can't believe I've got to my third point for the first time
• 3:10:16
  ever on this podcast without being interrupted.
• 3:10:19
  Everyone must have Frozen. My third reason is the guest
• 3:10:23
  cast because I just don't think they've got any particular cut
• 3:10:26
  charm or Charisma Suzanne packet.
• 3:10:29
  And I think it was the name you are reaching before before and
• 3:10:32
  Ben Bailey Smith. They're very very wooden and
• 3:10:35
  what they're doing with that in that strange relationship with
• 3:10:38
  their Android. I'm not quite sure what the hell
• 3:10:40
  that's all about. Jack shallow as the pregnant
• 3:10:43
  Yost know doesn't work for me. Only write gold star Joe you
• 3:10:47
  mentioned before the hot guy at the beginning.
• 3:10:49
  He's actually his characteristics has got some
• 3:10:51
  potentially he's got some conflict and fire with the
• 3:10:54
  doctor, but he gets blown up which is awesome though.
• 3:10:58
  Rather. Hey, that's why you know me too.
• 3:11:02
  Well so far. Have you seen him in his hook?
• 3:11:04
  Please get up by the way. Oh now.
• 3:11:13
  You can interrupt now Charlie. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 3:11:18
  I'm so behind you. So for those Reasons, I'm not
• 3:11:26
  putting it through. So Joe, you have the deciding
• 3:11:28
  vote. Yeah, I really like this and
• 3:11:30
  there's lots of reasons why I do think you're missing the point
• 3:11:34
  about why there's so much going on.
• 3:11:36
  The point of this is is you take away the Tardis and then you
• 3:11:40
  take away the Sonic and you have the doctor in the center of the
• 3:11:44
  Season forced to juggle all of the problems that are on this
• 3:11:47
  ship which she does a deadly and it's another stunning showcase
• 3:11:52
  for Jody's doctoral thing. She manages to charm the hot
• 3:11:56
  doctor she does manage to solve multiple problems at once.
• 3:11:59
  She manages to gag over science if your pardon the pardon and
• 3:12:03
  the technology she manages to tackle the team she is vibrant.
• 3:12:07
  She's smart. She's silly.
• 3:12:09
  She's utterly agreeable in this episode.
• 3:12:11
  I'll think it might be in terms of her characterization.
• 3:12:14
  This is a centerpiece episode for the season and I think Jody
• 3:12:18
  is wonderful. She runs from room to room and
• 3:12:21
  she just commands the whole story.
• 3:12:22
  I love the cold open in the junkyard.
• 3:12:25
  The port of that is to get her onto the serango ship.
• 3:12:28
  That's all you needed for. It's just to get from A to B in
• 3:12:31
  a fun and Visually quirky way. Achieved I love the Polish
• 3:12:35
  direction. There's tons of fluid camera
• 3:12:38
  work in this going around those gorgeous set.
• 3:12:40
  It looks absolutely gorgeous. I love the hot doctor.
• 3:12:43
  I even love the hot Android golf that's wandering around sort of
• 3:12:48
  very badly. I fucking love the scene of Ryan
• 3:12:53
  and Yaz it and this is one of the things I love about the
• 3:12:56
  Christian era. I don't care of it all support
• 3:12:59
  because after seasons and seasons of characters, I did not
• 3:13:02
  give us about are now listening to real people talk about real
• 3:13:07
  feelings and real situations. So this isn't talking about
• 3:13:10
  impossible girls and all this bullshit me at the end of time.
• 3:13:13
  No, it's Ryan saying to Yaz my mom dies.
• 3:13:17
  I found her date doing the washing up.
• 3:13:20
  That is so chilling. It's the most chilling thing in
• 3:13:23
  the entire episode. I love it.
• 3:13:24
  I love this. I love the scene in the cafe in
• 3:13:26
  resolution chipper can stop the plot and have real people talk
• 3:13:30
  about real things. Yeah as much as he likes.
• 3:13:34
  That's only all over the place because you can't integrate
• 3:13:38
  whereas social like that in the middle of a Chase or something.
• 3:13:41
  But but it has come off the back of talking about a man who's
• 3:13:44
  going to give birth. So it's not like it's come from
• 3:13:47
  nowhere. There's a man giving birth and
• 3:13:49
  they're having a conversation about parent Hood.
• 3:13:50
  It makes perfect sense to me and I love the subplot about the
• 3:13:54
  mind giving birth not because of the jokes because apocado pear
• 3:13:57
  is not funny at all. But I love Graham and Ryan being
• 3:14:01
  empathetic and and just being just great men holding his hand
• 3:14:08
  and being there for him. And this this season gets that
• 3:14:11
  right. So many times men not being
• 3:14:13
  Macho stereotyped, but actually being fought for and kind and
• 3:14:17
  full of empathy. I think it's wonderful and the
• 3:14:21
  last thing the real reason I want to put this through is we
• 3:14:23
  finally got fucking Nibbler from Futurama in Doctor Who and I've
• 3:14:29
  never felt more simply for a character ever.
• 3:14:32
  Then the Ping because like me, he just wants to eat everything
• 3:14:36
  inside and he's got a very cute ass so for those reasons alone,
• 3:14:41
  The serangoon is through your bigging yourself up there, but
• 3:14:45
  forgot you met me yeah. I forgot to mention.
• 3:14:49
  Yeah as dropkick in the bomb as well.
• 3:14:51
  I love it. Oh, yeah.
• 3:14:53
  I know. I'm a particular goes was he in
• 3:14:55
  the pool and he goes? Oh, yeah.
• 3:14:57
  Yeah, he's super happy but he's glowing tummy.
• 3:15:01
  Oh, I've had so many cats are off seen that face when you rub
• 3:15:05
  their tummies. Yeah, and also I'm just gonna
• 3:15:07
  also say that when Chris told me they were planning.
• 3:15:10
  Oh name dropper things. We were robbed of the aliens
• 3:15:15
  planets. Yeah.
• 3:15:17
  Yeah and I oh right man. So your story.
• 3:15:21
  Yes. Hello.
• 3:15:22
  Oh, I would like to talk about my favorite episode of the
• 3:15:26
  Season my favorite episode of the era.
• 3:15:29
  One of my favorite ever episodes of Doctor Who and that is Demons
• 3:15:33
  of the Punjab. Yeah, which I think is a
• 3:15:36
  stunning historical episode. It's inches above Rosa which I
• 3:15:40
  also think is a study. And again, it's leaning into
• 3:15:43
  doing those heart no esque historicals where it's taking
• 3:15:48
  history seriously, and we're educating kids and we're doing
• 3:15:51
  it with packing it full of emotion.
• 3:15:54
  I want to read you a line from from the Alex from a truly
• 3:15:58
  touching scene where frame is preparing for his wedding and
• 3:16:02
  Graham knows he is gonna die on this day and Graham is holding
• 3:16:06
  back tears as he sends his man off to go get married.
• 3:16:10
  Um, the violence is getting closer ordinary people who have
• 3:16:14
  lived here all their lives which into a frenzy to be part of a
• 3:16:17
  mob. Nothing worse than not there's
• 3:16:19
  nothing worse when normal people lose their minds we've lived
• 3:16:23
  together for decades Hindu Muslim and Sikh and now we're
• 3:16:26
  being told that our different seasons are more important than
• 3:16:28
  what you know says, I don't know how we protect people when
• 3:16:32
  hatreds coming from all sides. I mean that just sounds like now
• 3:16:35
  to me if I'm honest but what this episode is doing it's
• 3:16:39
  educating us on a much forgotten in this country embarrassing
• 3:16:44
  slice of British history. I I didn't know about it.
• 3:16:47
  I didn't I I've done a lot of reading since and it's thanks to
• 3:16:51
  this episode and it Does the partition in the way the best in
• 3:16:57
  the way the best Russia day is episodes tackle big issues it
• 3:17:02
  brings it down to a family level.
• 3:17:05
  So it's a family two brothers being torn apart and the
• 3:17:09
  emotional consequences of that and we know this ain't get away.
• 3:17:12
  Well because Yaz exists and we and yeah it exists in the future
• 3:17:16
  so we know that promise gonna die.
• 3:17:17
  So we're constantly on a countdown in this episode.
• 3:17:19
  I think the script as it stands is is one of the best scripts
• 3:17:23
  ever in Doctor Who and that's sort of strip back Sunday night
• 3:17:28
  Doctor Who if you ever needed a something to point out to say
• 3:17:32
  this is why we should be doing that Demons of the Punjab is it
• 3:17:35
  it's it's bottled Sunday night rather.
• 3:17:39
  I think it's also got outstanding production value.
• 3:17:42
  It's got a stunning truly stunning score by second akinola
• 3:17:46
  including that beautiful version of the theme at the end of the
• 3:17:48
  episode. I can't believe they put the
• 3:17:51
  Kaplan robot. They interrupted that beautiful
• 3:17:54
  music to do the next time trailer.
• 3:17:55
  That was a stupid mistake, but it's got it wasn't growing
• 3:17:59
  that's true. It's got Sunny inverted location
• 3:18:03
  work detailed atmospherically lit sets direction that packs a
• 3:18:08
  punch and it just feels the story with memorable imagery the
• 3:18:12
  wedding scene running through the fields of poppies that the
• 3:18:16
  silhouette of the gun just before he's sure it's just
• 3:18:19
  packed full of potent imagery this and It really the real
• 3:18:25
  reason I have to put this through is the last 10 minutes
• 3:18:28
  of this episode. This episode came out the year
• 3:18:31
  my mum died and she was very ill indeed and she had sort of
• 3:18:35
  personal beliefs that we go to a better place and that was
• 3:18:39
  causing an enormous Comfort while she was dying not believed
• 3:18:43
  I believed in and there was something about this episode
• 3:18:45
  about these aliens that come in at the point of people's death
• 3:18:48
  and take away their souls to be remembered that moved me so much
• 3:18:53
  when I first watched it is the first Doctor Who episode where I
• 3:18:56
  wasn't crying I was literally sobbing it was like God's
• 3:19:00
  watching it the bit where he shot the doctor walks away and
• 3:19:05
  then his face goes up with all the image is beautiful.
• 3:19:09
  The music is beautiful. It touched me in such a profound
• 3:19:12
  way. Oh, yeah, I just think this is
• 3:19:15
  extraordinary television absolutely extraordinary but
• 3:19:18
  that last 10 minutes, you know from when the doctor goes why
• 3:19:21
  what's coming and then you see the horses come into walls of in
• 3:19:25
  slow motion. It's that same sort of sick
• 3:19:27
  feeling you get in your gut at the end of the massacre when the
• 3:19:29
  doctor runs in it goes Stephen. We've got to get out of here.
• 3:19:32
  You know, these there's violence coming.
• 3:19:34
  It's just amazing drama. Yes demons.
• 3:19:37
  Not a Punjab is an absolute classic, please.
• 3:19:40
  Can we put it through let's go to the comments Gareth.
• 3:19:43
  Bali says beautiful wonderful story with a heartbreaking
• 3:19:46
  revelation of the aliens. The music is amazingly Sublime.
• 3:19:49
  He's so bright Davey my favorite Jody episode.
• 3:19:53
  Yes, Dave. It's absolutely gorgeous.
• 3:19:55
  It looks at the devastating effect of partition on a single
• 3:19:58
  family and how it cares them apart just said that yossie's
• 3:20:02
  final scene with her Nana never fails to touch me.
• 3:20:05
  Oh so gorgeous, isn't it? I love you too, Betsy.
• 3:20:09
  Andy Parkinson's having the having the fridge turn out to
• 3:20:14
  not be evil is a good idea that shows that aliens aren't
• 3:20:17
  necessarily the threat humans could be far more dangerously
• 3:20:21
  and his heartbreaking. James Lark it's one of the
• 3:20:25
  Season highlights for sure that as with rows of the Sci-Fi
• 3:20:28
  elements rather than ads. I so disagree with that.
• 3:20:31
  I wish they'd been brave enough to tell the story.
• 3:20:33
  It feels like it wants to the writing is good enough to
• 3:20:36
  sustain it. Adam Richard said the reverse of
• 3:20:39
  so many pro Colonial episodes of decades passed a horrible page
• 3:20:42
  of history that needs to be reckoned with and great guest
• 3:20:45
  cast still a race absolutely beautiful on every level sixes
• 3:20:49
  in providing a platform for new writers to tell news stories the
• 3:20:53
  second. Yes and a story who fan Winston
• 3:20:55
  would tell you is a spare part this season Daniel since Epoch
• 3:20:58
  heartbreak with some good performances, but it's similar
• 3:21:01
  to Rosa in terms the doctor not being actively involved with the
• 3:21:04
  climax are obviously a play on typical Doctor Who adventure
• 3:21:09
  with a Twist to say something bigger.
• 3:21:11
  We haven't had this sort of story before told with such
• 3:21:13
  conviction Jason Thompson satellite Rosa before it stands
• 3:21:17
  out telling the story that isn't fantastic call, but about very
• 3:21:20
  real social issues and human acts both of love.
• 3:21:23
  And hatred not all who should be like this, but I'm glad to show
• 3:21:26
  has room for these alongside spaceship eating monsters and
• 3:21:29
  time. We buy me stuff.
• 3:21:30
  Keep it Jack Koya great work from the name Patel and
• 3:21:34
  secondary another fantastic term for the doctor showing her full
• 3:21:38
  range. Oh, I forgot she gets to go to
• 3:21:40
  the to the Hindu as well doesn't she now?
• 3:21:43
  That's something no other doctor could do.
• 3:21:45
  I love that scene. And in fact, I couldn't see
• 3:21:48
  Capaldi doing that wedding speech I want list.
• 3:21:51
  You're married now fuck off is Whiteside.
• 3:21:54
  Um, sorry, where was I the wedding is rightly held up as
• 3:21:57
  one of her best moments, but I would also point to her
• 3:21:59
  assumptions about the pudgy being proven wrong in a story
• 3:22:02
  all about toxic divisions that threatened terrorism apart.
• 3:22:05
  Luke Simpson says an outright classic follows one of the shows
• 3:22:08
  original remix, and I learned some history.
• 3:22:10
  I didn't know before Big Orange Michael.
• 3:22:12
  We've got to clear it that way now, I haven't we do absolutely
• 3:22:15
  every time she was to work better when he's editing other
• 3:22:19
  stories case in point is this one it works well, and it's
• 3:22:22
  effective and finally Jeff Richardson said wonderful, but
• 3:22:25
  the monsters are dull. Okay, so Point missed.
• 3:22:32
  Demons of the Punjab there's lots of good stuff in it.
• 3:22:38
  So first of all, I like the fact that it kind of gives you a
• 3:22:42
  counterbalance to Rose and Father's Day now John like you I
• 3:22:46
  quite like Father's Day. Well, obviously the doctor takes
• 3:22:49
  his companion back to see her family history play out.
• 3:22:51
  But of course is time to fracture and obviously cheap
• 3:22:54
  isn't doing that sort of high-concept sci-fi.
• 3:22:57
  He's going for history and he's going for his strength
• 3:23:00
  partition, but then there is always said thank God, I think
• 3:23:02
  there is room for both approaches.
• 3:23:03
  I like the big sci-fi story, but this is about a more emotional
• 3:23:08
  personal story, right? I think this also works as a
• 3:23:12
  counterbalance to Rosa which I did complain about earlier in
• 3:23:16
  this episode because we were talking about people who were
• 3:23:19
  directly involved in that historical significance effect.
• 3:23:22
  So you couldn't do that much with it because you're talking
• 3:23:25
  to the people at the heart of the story here though, you're
• 3:23:28
  talking about the effect of a significant historical effect
• 3:23:31
  upon a regular family. So that gives you greater scope
• 3:23:34
  for storytelling and absolutely we couldn't have told they
• 3:23:38
  wouldn't have allowed us to do a rose on this story because
• 3:23:40
  actually if you went to the people who were the architects
• 3:23:43
  of all this evil and cruelty a guess what it the bloody
• 3:23:47
  British, so I don't think we would have wanted to go there.
• 3:23:50
  It's a hideous part of our history that doesn't get talked
• 3:23:54
  about. I didn't know about this before
• 3:23:55
  this episode and yeah, it is quite when you read the full
• 3:23:59
  history of it is quite shockingly horrendous, but, you
• 3:24:03
  know such as the history of this country.
• 3:24:06
  Second reason it does successfully evoke Pakistan.
• 3:24:09
  It looks beautiful. The direction is lovely and I
• 3:24:13
  was filmed in Spain. But Joe will you rightly said
• 3:24:16
  those flower field Meadows with a snowtop mountains before and
• 3:24:19
  looks lovely the music is haunting and evocative.
• 3:24:24
  But I can't put this one through for me.
• 3:24:27
  It's just probably part of my problem with this geography.
• 3:24:32
  I think you probably put your finger right on it.
• 3:24:33
  Then when you said this is great Sunday night drama.
• 3:24:36
  There's something about someday night drama that has just never
• 3:24:41
  Peeled to me in any guys. It's just it's not a genre that
• 3:24:46
  works for me. And I've always kind of
• 3:24:48
  studiously gone out on my way to avoid the Sunday night drama
• 3:24:51
  because there is a certain tone and a certain mood and a certain
• 3:24:54
  way of Storytelling that this falls into now, it changes
• 3:24:57
  massively next season. But in this season, it does feel
• 3:25:01
  very Sundown. I just just doesn't click for
• 3:25:05
  me. So I hear everything you saying
• 3:25:07
  but it just doesn't gets me in the same way and I think I won't
• 3:25:13
  label a point, but for me, there's a bit of a lack of plot
• 3:25:16
  and this this very little instant.
• 3:25:18
  It's very little development the character positions the start
• 3:25:21
  the episode are the same at the end.
• 3:25:23
  No one goes on a journey of Discovery was no chance to learn
• 3:25:27
  and develop. So there's just a lot of padding
• 3:25:30
  to get to the resolution that we know is coming and that again
• 3:25:33
  then plays into The kind of lack of input the impotence of the
• 3:25:37
  doctor because the doctor doesn't interfere doesn't
• 3:25:40
  intervene and I know why she does that and I get all of that
• 3:25:43
  but I tuned into Doctor Who because I want to see the doctor
• 3:25:47
  taking an active role and here again, she's back to that, you
• 3:25:50
  know season one of which is that in the serangoon.
• 3:25:53
  You didn't like it there. Well, I didn't I didn't say I
• 3:25:57
  didn't like it for that reason, but I just never thought your
• 3:26:02
  madder than this moment. He's so gorgeous.
• 3:26:06
  It just doesn't work for me and there's so many opportunities
• 3:26:09
  there. There's not there's so many
• 3:26:14
  ways. They could have ramped up the
• 3:26:15
  tension of the momentum. They it's a horrific situation.
• 3:26:18
  I don't feel they exploited enough because it's being bit
• 3:26:22
  too someday evening the characters keep telling us they
• 3:26:24
  can hear in the distance the vehicles the shouting the
• 3:26:27
  screaming. I want to hear a better that I
• 3:26:30
  want to feel a bit of that Rising tension a momentum and we
• 3:26:34
  just told that it's there. We don't see it.
• 3:26:36
  We don't for the bit where then suddenly the horses are there
• 3:26:40
  and you're like no I want we've got a rum I know but I want that
• 3:26:44
  build up. I want to feel that so just it
• 3:26:48
  sorry. It's just I can see a lot great
• 3:26:52
  things and it just doesn't land for me personally like terms of
• 3:26:57
  Christie's drama. I thought I think doctor is a
• 3:27:00
  reason this anyway, so on to August No, I'm going to be like
• 3:27:04
  the guy in Robin Daytona. I'm going I'm leaving this
• 3:27:08
  podcast now. Hooray it worked.
• 3:27:10
  But now you can be honest about it or yeah.
• 3:27:15
  Now tell you I really think yeah, um, is it me is he is
• 3:27:21
  yeah. Um, yeah.
• 3:27:23
  Yeah. This is my favorite of the
• 3:27:25
  Season as well. Just just about everything.
• 3:27:27
  Joe said is what I think. It's it's my favorite.
• 3:27:32
  Of the chimney over by a country mile because it wasn't
• 3:27:37
  particularly a season. I like to that much.
• 3:27:40
  You know, I don't I didn't hate it like a lot of people and you
• 3:27:45
  put every single episode through so far.
• 3:27:49
  Just love it more than you. Yeah.
• 3:27:54
  No, like I say, this is my favorite of JoJo's as well.
• 3:28:01
  So if we were I think it just knew what it was doing a lot
• 3:28:06
  more and it seemed to the wheels for me fell off and and then
• 3:28:10
  there's a terrorist which you know, shall we talk about the
• 3:28:13
  time. That's all about that.
• 3:28:20
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 3:28:20
  So yeah Demons of the Punjab. This is the only one I didn't
• 3:28:23
  really watch. Um was going to be my but my my
• 3:28:28
  coquettish sort of Preamble because I love it and I've
• 3:28:32
  watched it. It's the one I've rewatched
• 3:28:34
  because this disease this era for me Isn't like, you know
• 3:28:37
  isn't like my perfect Doctor Who or anything so I haven't
• 3:28:42
  rewatched it a lot but Demons of the Punjab I have rewatched over
• 3:28:46
  and over because it's just really inspiring for me being
• 3:28:49
  able to tell is the best thing that's ever happened to Dr. Who
• 3:28:53
  in a lot well for a long long time?
• 3:28:55
  He's an amazing right everything.
• 3:28:57
  He's ever written has been amazing.
• 3:28:59
  I've seen a lot of his TV stuff and a lot of his I've seen some
• 3:29:03
  of his stage plays and he's a brilliant writer and Doctor Who
• 3:29:06
  is lucky to have him and I just think I mean, obviously I mean
• 3:29:12
  about petition. I've been to India a few times
• 3:29:14
  and I've also in my early life I have worked in Refugee
• 3:29:21
  situations in Yugoslavia. So a lot of them a lot of the
• 3:29:26
  people I used to work with. I've heard Tales of how quickly
• 3:29:31
  a society started being neighbor against neighbor Bosnian Bosnian
• 3:29:36
  Muslims against serbs and in that situation and so and you
• 3:29:42
  know when I was in Sudan, it was a similar thing as they started
• 3:29:45
  ramping up the genocide there. So it's it really just chimes
• 3:29:51
  with me perfectly and and it's for Sunday night Dr. Who which
• 3:29:55
  is the thing we had for three seasons?
• 3:29:58
  Yeah, and I think it was nice and I did.
• 3:30:03
  Do find myself going did I want it back on Saturday night?
• 3:30:06
  And now we've just had our TV too, and I'm starting to go.
• 3:30:09
  Well, it was probably a bit too much of popcorn trumping.
• 3:30:15
  I want I prefer I prefer Middle Ground.
• 3:30:18
  I prefer the powdered his last season.
• 3:30:21
  But but this is the best. best of the children ever buy
• 3:30:27
  probably some stretch. It's just the best.
• 3:30:28
  This will be up there and probably my top 10 Doctor Who
• 3:30:32
  Have All Time absolutely. until I started and how much Doctor
• 3:30:38
  Who is and then maybe he'll move but it's definitely definitely
• 3:30:41
  in the running some of the best Doctor Who ever because it's
• 3:30:44
  just really weird and Yes. Yes, he's amazing.
• 3:30:49
  It's the only one of this era that makes me cry.
• 3:30:54
  Gets me there's one idea. There's one line which just gets
• 3:30:58
  me every single time. I watched it and it sneaks up on
• 3:31:00
  me and it's it kind of leads into all those people that say,
• 3:31:04
  oh it's so stripped back this year, you know, it's it's so
• 3:31:08
  subtle and it's when he goes out to talk to his brother and he
• 3:31:12
  just goes um, my little brother what happened to you and he's
• 3:31:16
  got like a tear on his daddy's face and it's so subtle and so
• 3:31:20
  moving away is always yeah. I don't just watching it.
• 3:31:25
  Yeah, and I loved I love the fact that they you know, Joe's
• 3:31:30
  They're not just going Joe's now a woman.
• 3:31:35
  They've got Jody go. Oh, yeah.
• 3:31:36
  I've never done this before the whole empire on the hands and
• 3:31:43
  everything. It's just you know, I just love
• 3:31:45
  that little it's it's like, you know Justin bubble with the race
• 3:31:49
  thing, you know. It you know acknowledging it but
• 3:31:54
  not going on about it. You know, it's just very sort of
• 3:31:57
  righting and every way and the only the only thing I might say
• 3:32:01
  is I wonder if there was a Draft or a premise some stages they
• 3:32:08
  can we have a historical only. Can we do the first historical
• 3:32:12
  since Black Orchid? Because the only bit that I
• 3:32:18
  think we could probably do without is the aliens but
• 3:32:20
  they're fine. I don't I don't mind it.
• 3:32:22
  It's still the best Doctor Who for a long long time on either
• 3:32:26
  side of it. So nice to have to have them
• 3:32:28
  come along though and they suspect yeah, just because
• 3:32:31
  they're monstrous looking. Oh, yeah and then learning
• 3:32:34
  actually yeah, they do a wonderful thing for Humanity.
• 3:32:37
  Yeah, I think what's weird is because it had been quite close
• 3:32:41
  to Capaldi's last one where they turned out to do the same thing.
• 3:32:47
  It was all asleep in that one though Ian.
• 3:32:50
  Yeah. Yeah, and I hate I hate that
• 3:32:52
  episode with revengeance absolutely hate it but so is it
• 3:32:56
  was a bit to me? It felt a little bit like, you
• 3:32:58
  know any accidentally did the same thing we've done her in
• 3:33:01
  that Russell T Davis thing with the library and the unturned
• 3:33:05
  left and he went. Oh bollocks.
• 3:33:07
  We've done the same thing and it's quite close together shit.
• 3:33:09
  But if you read the writers tale that was a bit of a oh, I took
• 3:33:13
  my eye off the ball because I just let my fake home with it.
• 3:33:16
  It was felt a little bit like that bit of an accidental thing.
• 3:33:19
  But now the further we get away from watching them in sequence
• 3:33:22
  the more I'm yeah, that's just a minor quibble that it was a bit
• 3:33:27
  like a bush said just this series is Chuck.
• 3:33:34
  That's what you've just said saranga.
• 3:33:36
  That's all clinical setting. Yeah, you're in this Lush
• 3:33:39
  beautiful sunny episode full of fabulous exotic location work
• 3:33:43
  and then we're in Bland next week.
• 3:33:45
  So quirky sci-fi pal. And then it's the witch finders.
• 3:33:49
  That's sort of fabulous. Leafy more assessing.
• 3:33:52
  Yeah, I think we said before I think the one thing should know
• 3:33:55
  gets right. More than anything I'm not a
• 3:34:00
  massive fan of his take on the Sci-Fi.
• 3:34:02
  It's a little bit but that's because similarly I'm not a
• 3:34:06
  massive fan of the the Seventh Doctor take on sci-fi and I
• 3:34:12
  think it does have a lot of share a lot of DNA with that but
• 3:34:16
  I really I don't think that historic records of ever been.
• 3:34:20
  This is this is the opposite of stuff that really pissed me off
• 3:34:23
  about my way. I'd Vikings with horns and
• 3:34:26
  fucking electric eels and doesn't matter about the
• 3:34:28
  history. This was like this feels like
• 3:34:31
  real history and it matters. I really like Tesla next year
• 3:34:36
  and I really like yeah, I'll take you and I love Wars on
• 3:34:39
  Torrance. They're all historicals, but
• 3:34:41
  they've got such strong science fiction stories going in them as
• 3:34:45
  yeah. Yeah.
• 3:34:46
  You see it's only this season where they really really do like
• 3:34:51
  Purely historical if you know what I mean almost pure yeah.
• 3:34:55
  Yeah, but yeah, you just made you just named my favorite tip
• 3:34:59
  no episode. So really thinking about it.
• 3:35:01
  I really like the history, of course.
• 3:35:04
  Jeff over to you. Yeah, this is the hates it is.
• 3:35:08
  Yeah, and it's just this is lovely this episode.
• 3:35:13
  It's it's so powerful in the way, you know, you just find out
• 3:35:18
  about the politician or see it, you know in action if you kind
• 3:35:23
  of already knew about it and like you Joe I didn't or you
• 3:35:26
  know, maybe I learned about it at school that was a long time
• 3:35:28
  ago. So it was kind of shocker, you
• 3:35:31
  know to find out about that and see what what happened and all
• 3:35:35
  so that was handled really nicely in Miss Marvel as well
• 3:35:39
  with if you have that as a petition. episode in that and
• 3:35:44
  so, you know, this episode is both beautiful, you know, and
• 3:35:49
  it's it's look and it's it's themes there's a quote I just
• 3:35:53
  bought up or so that I'll read in a minute but it's it's just
• 3:35:59
  kind of emotionally powerful for the devastation that it all
• 3:36:03
  causes and all of that and this is a good example, I think of
• 3:36:08
  taking real, you know, emotional themes and and people and and
• 3:36:15
  putting it in a Sci-Fi setting, you know, it's not complete
• 3:36:19
  sci-fi in this, you know, we've got that element with the
• 3:36:22
  majority and stuff but you know, it's kind of going back to what
• 3:36:24
  I was saying earlier, you know, it's just superb drama that
• 3:36:30
  happens to have you know, some aliens in it and and I think the
• 3:36:34
  joists will you know a lovely concept as well kind of like
• 3:36:38
  kind of hoped that they would have come back with 13 was you
• 3:36:43
  know, Were generally as if I was gonna say, you know, one thing I
• 3:36:49
  was disappointed by and this is like a one out of 100
• 3:36:51
  disappointment. He would have been great to see
• 3:36:54
  them again, you know her end time but then it would have been
• 3:36:58
  a bit similar to that food that turns up dancing and singing
• 3:37:00
  when tenants on his Victory lap, you know, so, you know, I can
• 3:37:05
  live without it and but it's it's love in all its forms is
• 3:37:09
  the most powerful weapon we have because love is a form of Hope
• 3:37:12
  and like hope love bites in the face of everything and that to
• 3:37:15
  me is like quintessential 13 is love.
• 3:37:19
  Hope optimism passion Joy all of that stuff.
• 3:37:22
  And yeah Jody's excellent in this.
• 3:37:24
  Yeah, so loved in all its forms. That's such a powerful line.
• 3:37:28
  Yeah, you know, it means so much to so many people and and like,
• 3:37:33
  you know you go said yes, there's no excellent and this
• 3:37:36
  because it's so focused on her as well, you know, and and you
• 3:37:41
  know her family in their History and things and you know,
• 3:37:45
  everything that happened in the partition is probably still
• 3:37:49
  resonating for people today. You know, like it's an auntie
• 3:37:53
  wonderful as well. This is a terrible design.
• 3:37:56
  She goes and she goes what is it?
• 3:37:59
  You're my favorite grandchild and yes his mom goes you're not
• 3:38:01
  supposed to say that. Yeah, it's it's brilliant.
• 3:38:09
  Yeah, so another one going through nothing so far has gone
• 3:38:13
  out. I would have loved more of yazz
• 3:38:16
  family in a Jackie Tyler and kind of well that kind of way.
• 3:38:21
  I don't know anything but speaking as a person who would
• 3:38:25
  want to see more that big finish of very good at knowing what we
• 3:38:29
  want. Yeah, I would say more Sonya you
• 3:38:33
  want to see more grammar? Please images out my head.
• 3:38:47
  Right. I'm going to pick a story and
• 3:38:50
  I'm going to surprise you by picking one that I like there is
• 3:38:55
  not from this season. It is from this. episode three
• 3:39:10
  tickets which finders woman who fell to Earth or about I'm gonna
• 3:39:15
  say I'm gonna say which finders I'm gonna say woman who fell to
• 3:39:18
  work? Yeah.
• 3:39:18
  I'm gonna filled with what's the witch finders so I am going to
• 3:39:24
  jump in. The witch finders my God, I do
• 3:39:28
  first of all though. Just want to take exception to I
• 3:39:32
  see lots of dialogue about all this is when we really explore
• 3:39:36
  the fact that the doctors a woman and I kind of really don't
• 3:39:39
  think we do that in this episode.
• 3:39:40
  So she talks about says the beginning or I'm being
• 3:39:43
  patronized. I think there is far more.
• 3:39:47
  Heinous sexual discrimination and them being patronized.
• 3:39:51
  She then says oh if I was a woman I if I wasn't a woman I
• 3:39:55
  could just get on with the job and if I myself but it's hardly
• 3:39:57
  the first time the doctors accused of being the enemy
• 3:40:00
  behind an alien plots and even when she's ducked, I don't think
• 3:40:03
  that I don't read that that she's not just because she's a
• 3:40:06
  woman it's because she's the doctor I can equally see any of
• 3:40:09
  the other doctor at least bring it out though.
• 3:40:12
  They don't talk about it. They are absolutely but I don't
• 3:40:16
  think it's so I don't think it's the full exploration of the
• 3:40:19
  issue that lots of people say this episode is but I'm here to
• 3:40:23
  find positives. So let's move on with the
• 3:40:25
  positives the period setting 17th century Witch Trials a
• 3:40:30
  great setting for doctors story and it Blends the kind of grim
• 3:40:35
  reality of what was happening in reality with with those witch
• 3:40:39
  trials together with the Sci-Fi really well and I like the fact
• 3:40:42
  the doctor even calls out that both the Sci-Fi and the
• 3:40:45
  historical must be linked in some way Beyond coincidence
• 3:40:48
  because it is as such true and it's refreshing for a series
• 3:40:52
  where we have so many contrivances and coincidences
• 3:40:55
  and platek speeds here. The two strands are very much
• 3:40:59
  interlinked and I think that works very well.
• 3:41:02
  Secondly. I really like the characters.
• 3:41:04
  I think Willa goes on a great journey of our journey before
• 3:41:07
  will it goes on a great journey from kind of despairing of
• 3:41:10
  Grandmother drowned through to our kind of growing exceptions
• 3:41:13
  to the doctor what's up in around her and eventually
• 3:41:16
  through to kind of positivity and determination to help people
• 3:41:19
  not really interesting Journey. Do you know what happens to her
• 3:41:22
  in the book? Have you read the book?
• 3:41:24
  I haven't. Oh, this is gonna tickle your
• 3:41:26
  testicles go on the Doctor so King James goes off and leaves
• 3:41:30
  her to it. And she has terrible alive.
• 3:41:32
  So the doctor picks her up and she goes I'm gonna take you
• 3:41:35
  somewhere safe and she ends up at the end of toy.
• 3:41:38
  We've Clara and me from series 9 You joking absolutely get a
• 3:41:44
  little car. Come here.
• 3:41:46
  No, actually, it's quite moving. It works.
• 3:41:49
  It doesn't say you didn't sell it very well.
• 3:41:53
  And also I really 13 of tell me that doesn't happen know that is
• 3:41:58
  true. It's true.
• 3:41:59
  It's a great book. And in fact will I some great
• 3:42:03
  passages in the novel of the witch finders stuff?
• 3:42:06
  That didn't make it into the episode.
• 3:42:07
  Sorry Rogers Diner. What's wrong characters mistress
• 3:42:13
  Savage? I think she's great and I misses
• 3:42:15
  for the doctor played by one of my favorite actresses on
• 3:42:18
  finneran. I think she does what she does
• 3:42:20
  really well is showing kind of different layers of Savage from
• 3:42:23
  the kind of Village leader at the beginning.
• 3:42:25
  He was full of hatred through the kind of sympathetic
• 3:42:28
  characters that we see in that middle bit and then just the
• 3:42:31
  full on rusting doctor villain James the first now I'm gonna
• 3:42:35
  say is there a little bit of hypocrisy here the story written
• 3:42:39
  directed by woman chooses not to have the male protagonist
• 3:42:43
  lusting after the female companion, but instead we've got
• 3:42:46
  in my up the mailman. I mean you would have you seen
• 3:42:49
  toes in Coal. My newbie and Prince.
• 3:42:54
  Yeah a little bit Perry and Mr. Joe Bell, perhaps I love it.
• 3:42:59
  What I do like about James. The first is we get same as a
• 3:43:04
  really well-rounded character. I think he liked the face off
• 3:43:07
  between him on the doctor and the doctor's side up and she's
• 3:43:10
  Really kind of making him think about things and you can see the
• 3:43:13
  cogs turning in his mind. He doesn't accept it that point
• 3:43:16
  but you can see he's open to learning and open to Thinking
• 3:43:20
  Beyond the constraints of what he's already thought so, I think
• 3:43:23
  he goes on quite an interesting Journey, too.
• 3:43:26
  And then my third reason is the look this was a very very
• 3:43:29
  miserable shoe for everyone concern because the weather was
• 3:43:32
  fucking awful but it works the stories Advantage.
• 3:43:36
  It looks wet rim and muddy probably because it is wet cold
• 3:43:41
  and muddy, but that really helps sell the story and gives you
• 3:43:44
  that real quite unique Bleecker atmosphere seller apprec who's
• 3:43:49
  directing. She does a really good job with
• 3:43:51
  the direction some good close-ups long shots angles.
• 3:43:55
  There is one thing that does make me chuckle at the end of
• 3:43:59
  all this whilst we're talking about the look of it and that is
• 3:44:01
  coming back to Sunday night dramas again, the three geese so
• 3:44:05
  in the village actually single Sunday night drama, whether it's
• 3:44:13
  bloody Cranford Lark Rise to candleford, you've got geese
• 3:44:16
  running up and down the street and Victoria Ward French and
• 3:44:20
  sons all starts taking the piss out of it and the early 2000s
• 3:44:23
  because that man it's Sunday night historical drama.
• 3:44:26
  If you see the geese that is there go we pay for those
• 3:44:28
  fucking gears. All right, we're gonna get some
• 3:44:30
  value out of it. That's probably in this story
• 3:44:32
  same three that the bone and they just loan them out to every
• 3:44:35
  person actually. Yeah recurring returns.
• 3:44:40
  Yeah. Well the royalties are I like
• 3:44:43
  this one. So this one for me is going
• 3:44:45
  through but of course, you know, Jeff might very well throw it
• 3:44:49
  out the way he's going tonight. Should we go to the comments koi
• 3:44:54
  says another historical which deals with the incredibly human
• 3:44:57
  nature of evil Deeds. It has to walk a delicate site
• 3:45:00
  rope between acknowledging the genuine historical nightmare
• 3:45:03
  whilst providing a laughs and scares worthy of her family tea
• 3:45:06
  time show and I think it manages it.
• 3:45:08
  Well understand the others could see it going the other way
• 3:45:10
  Melvin Pena says a favorite Alan Cumming is a legendary guest
• 3:45:15
  spot. I hyperventilating the doctor
• 3:45:19
  being labeled the witch finders and abduct for a witch is one of
• 3:45:22
  the few times so gender world was ever plot re Andy Parkinson
• 3:45:27
  says the only memorable thing about the story is Alan Cumming.
• 3:45:30
  Otherwise, I'm afraid the story leaves me cold.
• 3:45:32
  Well, let Jody whisk a cold as well as she was abducting that
• 3:45:35
  water Paul Smyer the one true bright spot of the season.
• 3:45:39
  Oh Paul we obviously didn't watch demons at a Punjab a
• 3:45:42
  couple and all the others the script and performance is across
• 3:45:46
  the board are excellent good monster design.
• 3:45:48
  The regulars are on top form. I even like Ryan one of my
• 3:45:52
  favorite Jodi stories. Michael storm says, this is
• 3:45:55
  where Jody really clicked as the doctor for me.
• 3:45:57
  She's far more proactive in the story and the story is the first
• 3:46:00
  really address the elephant in the room regarding the doctors
• 3:46:02
  gender James. The first is great in the whole
• 3:46:05
  story feels very to keep you love the spirit where he gets
• 3:46:08
  out and goes this is my pricker who's next song you some he says
• 3:46:17
  spends the budget and actually deals with the doctor being a
• 3:46:20
  woman elsewhere the series strangely have always big
• 3:46:24
  orange. Michael says a strong guest
• 3:46:26
  star. In the final story of the Season
• 3:46:28
  that works for me. Keep it my God all this
• 3:46:31
  positivity Jason Thompson enjoyable and I thought the way
• 3:46:33
  it handled the difference in the doctors ability to take charge
• 3:46:36
  of a situation now, she's in a female body was done with great
• 3:46:39
  skill Alan Cumming. I found a little overly
• 3:46:42
  theatrical a little but otherwise, what are the better
• 3:46:46
  entries? I mean, this is a great horror
• 3:46:48
  on with a gloriously can't performance by Alan Cumming and
• 3:46:51
  the more Sinister one by Siobhan finneran Joe is very performance
• 3:46:55
  in the confrontation with King James effectively to spells the
• 3:46:58
  criticism that her doctor like sage and say delivery when let
• 3:47:02
  me down really at episode dealing with the doctors gender
• 3:47:05
  and how a woman a treated in history.
• 3:47:07
  Alan cunning is hilarious adding some much need levity seated
• 3:47:10
  Grim subject matter looks in says a classic Alan Cumming set
• 3:47:15
  up wonderfully as King James when this Bunch goes back into
• 3:47:18
  time. It's absolute gold and finally
• 3:47:20
  Jeff Richardson says good effort, but doesn't fully
• 3:47:23
  deliver on his message of that. Patriarchy thank you harming
• 3:47:28
  women know but it does have Alan come and coming into the forest
• 3:47:32
  going which cross. So Joe, keep all Bim.
• 3:47:39
  Yeah. Do you know what this is a
• 3:47:40
  grower for me? I think that's a little bit cold
• 3:47:42
  on this when it first went out and every time I watch it and
• 3:47:46
  the novels helped me immensely because I now know Sort of all
• 3:47:50
  the beats that Joy Wilkinson was going for with the script.
• 3:47:53
  But now I really really like this.
• 3:47:55
  I think that four punch of episodes Punjab.
• 3:48:00
  Got hang on a couple of which finds us and it takes you away
• 3:48:05
  that is for back to back Stone Cold Classics in Years.
• 3:48:09
  Anyway, the reasons unfortunately, they're a bit
• 3:48:13
  like yours Rob so I won't go into long should one fitter and
• 3:48:16
  Becca Savage. I think she's terrifying.
• 3:48:18
  She's powering away as she murdered her.
• 3:48:21
  Enemy. She's powerful.
• 3:48:23
  She's blazing and she's full of hate.
• 3:48:25
  It's one of the most chilling female villains we've ever had
• 3:48:29
  and that's before she gets turned into a horrible muddy
• 3:48:32
  monster. I think she's wonderful in this
• 3:48:34
  and she was great in doubts and happy as well and coming.
• 3:48:38
  Yes, I he is very very funny, you know when he comes in in the
• 3:48:42
  mask and he goes to go I love the drama he goes or when when
• 3:48:47
  they're a bit fruity goes. Oh you actors like really?
• 3:48:51
  Every night is a banger, but it's actually I think it's a
• 3:48:55
  very multifaceted performance. Like he also gets to show that
• 3:48:58
  the sort of touching side to his character that he's really
• 3:49:01
  frightened. And that is a bit of a tortured
• 3:49:03
  Soul as well and within such a sort of hammy performance that's
• 3:49:07
  quite hard to do companies is a really great actor and I think
• 3:49:10
  it's probably the start of the year and yeah, finally the
• 3:49:14
  wintry location the chilling the string score for this is
• 3:49:19
  gorgeous the bit before where the doctor is about to be dark
• 3:49:22
  and the music is all violence again.
• 3:49:24
  No, no. No, it's it's so atmospheric.
• 3:49:29
  Sorry. How's it going?
• 3:49:34
  He can I just say I love I live for your you doing Doctor Who
• 3:49:40
  music? Oh, you know, but then let me
• 3:49:43
  give you a rendition of Jodi's theme track, isn't it?
• 3:49:49
  The original series shout out you and I think the long song
• 3:49:55
  just you know the best bit. Is that spy for when oh, no and
• 3:50:11
  the monsters. I think the monsters are the
• 3:50:16
  most memorable monsters in the world.
• 3:50:17
  Like we're not really look back at the history of Doctor Who go
• 3:50:20
  oh my God, the more acts what they really memorable, but they
• 3:50:24
  look gross. You know, when the zombies are
• 3:50:27
  coming through the mist and all that blisters on their faces and
• 3:50:30
  all that and the mud stripping everywhere.
• 3:50:32
  I think I love Monsters the bit where um, someone's name you get
• 3:50:37
  stuck at the beginning her Memo. Yeah.
• 3:50:41
  She she gets the bit the glass file and she just starts I get
• 3:50:46
  it don't see the whole bloody thing just to get in the mud.
• 3:50:49
  It's it's got a sense of the grotesque and I really like
• 3:50:52
  that. So yeah, and I think it is
• 3:50:54
  another sort of unfortunate period of History the witch
• 3:50:58
  finds us period so I think that's something that's worth
• 3:51:00
  exploring as well. Yeah, it's great pretty keep it.
• 3:51:03
  Yeah. This is a cracker.
• 3:51:06
  I love a bit of spooky who and this kind of fits that bill for
• 3:51:12
  me and there is a historical element to it because I looked
• 3:51:17
  all up with and Pendle Hill was where you know, there was a
• 3:51:21
  notorious load of kind of witch trials and stuff there and the
• 3:51:24
  witchfinder general and King James did indeed have his book
• 3:51:28
  of demonology or whatever we call it.
• 3:51:30
  He was proper into all of that stuff and you know witches and
• 3:51:34
  Dean's and things like that. So I find that kind of stuff
• 3:51:37
  quite fascinating interesting really and so this having you
• 3:51:43
  know, which isn't dunking and you know, all of that loved it
• 3:51:46
  and and like you said that the visuals to it.
• 3:51:49
  It's brilliant. It's all muddy and wet and cold
• 3:51:52
  and like you said as well Joe that music.
• 3:51:55
  It just really creates this kind of building sensation again and
• 3:51:59
  fears. Yes, Dada Dada Dada Dada Dada,
• 3:52:02
  right? Right.
• 3:52:04
  There you go. It's not the frog from it takes
• 3:52:06
  you away. He goes, I love you so much and
• 3:52:14
  they may be could have, you know dived a bit deeper into things
• 3:52:18
  with with the doctor, you know, being a woman in this time.
• 3:52:21
  That was very, you know, dangerous for women, you know,
• 3:52:24
  anyone who kind of Was a bit different I suppose was accused
• 3:52:28
  of being a witch and you know, so it does cover it, but maybe
• 3:52:32
  they could have, you know gone a bit more with it and I do have
• 3:52:36
  one criticism of this episode. What what about you maybe amazed
• 3:52:42
  to hear and it is that it has a couple of shocking edit Cuts in
• 3:52:46
  it by which I mean people are in literally different positions
• 3:52:50
  than the shots cut between two of them who cares about things
• 3:52:54
  like that. Well, you're right who cares
• 3:52:56
  about me as my job. I know sort a little thing that
• 3:53:02
  I catch and I makes me wonder what was missing there you you
• 3:53:07
  were missing from the production team.
• 3:53:08
  Yeah, or you know, did they run out of time or was this the
• 3:53:13
  weather so bad that they had to do it and you know, so it
• 3:53:17
  doesn't attract at all. But it is I go.
• 3:53:20
  Oh is that I thought of the continuity advisor then or of
• 3:53:24
  the it would be continuity on the set the actor to to keep
• 3:53:28
  their continuity, right but you know stuff happens and you know
• 3:53:31
  you go we've got an hour left to shoot this scene and and you
• 3:53:34
  just got to get it in the can and you know, it's this whole
• 3:53:38
  thing. I've only knows on my third
• 3:53:39
  rewatch of it, but but it doesn't detract in the
• 3:53:43
  slightest, and I'm well aware of Stuff happens and and actually
• 3:53:48
  the team are probably like, that's all they see.
• 3:53:51
  And then yeah and and have to do that but things things happen
• 3:53:55
  and most people won't notice it. It's like the can of the
• 3:53:58
  Starbucks cup in Game of Thrones, you know, all those
• 3:54:00
  people. Yeah and it slipped through and
• 3:54:03
  it doesn't matter how big a production you or how much money
• 3:54:05
  you've got what level you're at shit like that can happen.
• 3:54:10
  So that's that. Yeah, let's can happen.
• 3:54:13
  Does that describe the witch? I mean everyone's covered.
• 3:54:17
  I think this is a it's it's up there with demons as this is
• 3:54:24
  when I watched a lot as well. I think its you know, it's just
• 3:54:29
  not just good Jody who it's very good Doctor Who period and it's
• 3:54:35
  you know, it's better than it's better than a lot of Moffat era
• 3:54:40
  and it's better than a lot of RTD two era and it's it's you
• 3:54:46
  know, it's for the reasons you've said it's absolutely
• 3:54:48
  brilliant. I think Alan Cumming.
• 3:54:50
  I mean, it's weird that isn't anywhere near this but actually
• 3:54:55
  because it's so much his wheelhouse.
• 3:54:58
  It's you know, it's folk horror. It's witchfinder General.
• 3:55:02
  I mean Alan Cumming going. Okay, Vincent Price that's quite
• 3:55:06
  camping. Which find a general I'll hold
• 3:55:08
  my beer. I mean, I don't I love Alan
• 3:55:13
  Cumming. Anyway, he's one of my favorite
• 3:55:15
  people. He's one of those people that I
• 3:55:18
  love even films but I think I've I almost prefer reading his
• 3:55:21
  interviews more than even more than he's when you see him there
• 3:55:26
  Mary Markley is because they're busy mates whenever you sing
• 3:55:29
  them being. Oh, it's a compass thing you're
• 3:55:31
  ever gonna say outside of the witch finders like and also he's
• 3:55:35
  yeah, he's he's biography is really listen to the audio of
• 3:55:39
  that on the radio a few years ago.
• 3:55:41
  It's really moving because he had a shity childhood you so we
• 3:55:46
  now have a direct link between Spice Girls the movie and Doctor
• 3:55:49
  Who as well. I've never seen Spice Girls the
• 3:55:51
  movie. Oh, you're missing out like
• 3:55:53
  crazy. Oh, that's my favorite.
• 3:56:01
  Race so much about you Joe. Yeah.
• 3:56:04
  Um, so um, yeah sure for event is all may have loved her ever
• 3:56:11
  since Rita 7 Bob 2. She's amazing and everything.
• 3:56:15
  She's ever been in love her. Um, and I also I know Pendle
• 3:56:22
  really well because it's not far it's just over the border from
• 3:56:25
  where my mum lives so we get to Pendle all the time and it's
• 3:56:28
  really not watch that mud. It really is spooky a shit
• 3:56:32
  around there. And and it is a tradition you
• 3:56:34
  put Stone in the only walk at Pendle Hill very good for your
• 3:56:39
  cardio because it hang on you can just check up.
• 3:56:42
  He moved on from name dropping to play dropping that doesn't
• 3:56:47
  care that his move on to the next story.
• 3:56:52
  So which finders is going through US handle Hill in my
• 3:57:00
  audio drama with Judy has oh we just lost the witch finders now
• 3:57:06
  that's got it in the negatives now, there is no round two.
• 3:57:11
  Anyway, we know the truth. What is interesting things about
• 3:57:14
  Pendle Hill I will have here now is it?
• 3:57:18
  And shuts him up. Can you and means hail?
• 3:57:24
  And dull means here. So it's hill hill in and shut
• 3:57:30
  means shut and up means anyway, let's move up.
• 3:57:34
  I'm like myself. We've got two stories that's in
• 3:57:40
  my place. We've got two stories left.
• 3:57:42
  Oh Christ is the instant woman who fell to Earth or Battle of
• 3:57:47
  Ralph's score of colon. I was just about to go through
• 3:57:51
  we um, I will go for the woman who fell to Earth.
• 3:58:00
  What do I think of this one again?
• 3:58:04
  This is it. Does lots of things right?
• 3:58:06
  It made me go. This is the moment.
• 3:58:11
  It was so weird. If you if you remember what it
• 3:58:13
  was like to go back and just think oh my God, the doctor is a
• 3:58:16
  woman and to try to pretend that that didn't Make you go or it
• 3:58:23
  wasn't weird because it I was a bit but okay, it's going to be a
• 3:58:27
  woman and I don't know if this should have been my choice of
• 3:58:29
  woman if the doctor was gonna be a woman. and she had me. as the
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  doctor From the moment. She fell through that thing and
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  said I used to be I used to be I used to be a 12 minutes about
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  half an hour ago. Yeah, and I just thought I know
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  and I just remember clapping my hands together and just going
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  she's the doctor and so that was never I know lots and lots of
• 3:58:53
  people in fandom still haven't got there.
• 3:58:56
  But for me, she was the doctor and that kind of carried on
• 3:59:01
  another episode, but she goes come to Daddy.
• 3:59:03
  I mean mommy and a friend of mine when the announcement came
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  it was gonna be a woman sent me a text message knife kept it in
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  honor of this person that said I feel as if one of my children
• 3:59:15
  has died. I was like, oh there's a fucking
• 3:59:18
  perspective. It's crying people one of my
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  closest one of my closest friends in fandom.
• 3:59:27
  Said he knows what he felt like he knows what it's like when you
• 3:59:31
  know, when you hear about domestic violence, oh coming
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  from your football team losing because he was so pissed off.
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  How can you hear those things? I know and he was he couldn't
• 3:59:48
  speak for his wife. Because because the woman was
• 3:59:53
  the doctor was a woman well and she's falling for a train roof
• 3:59:58
  and you're in love, but what about the rest of the episode
• 4:00:00
  and the rest of the episode? I liked a lot of the setup the
• 4:00:05
  dyspraxia at that point hadn't made me go fucking loser.
• 4:00:09
  Dyspraxia. I bet you wish you'd never done
• 4:00:10
  that. I bet all the actors about all
• 4:00:12
  the writers. Wish they'd never ever but just
• 4:00:14
  practice you there but for this episode it builds brilliantly
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  everything looks great. Great grace is wonderful.
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  Graham is wonderful throwing the bike off the top of the thing is
• 4:00:26
  a brilliant way of getting yelled and Ryan together.
• 4:00:29
  It's really really well written. and it then like nearly all
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  ship. No era especially it goes.
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  Oh, I've got a shit. You've got you've got a shit.
• 4:00:42
  You've got Tim Shield. I hate that.
• 4:00:48
  I hate that I face full of teeth.
• 4:00:52
  He's really I hate that joke, and I don't like she doesn't
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  work as a design it so yet again it kind of Kind of goes oh and
• 4:01:04
  then dips away and doesn't quite do it.
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  We just loads of great things just loads of great things, but
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  it and I really did like and I was moved by Grace dying at the
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  end. I thought that was really good.
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  And I love and I love this tire this team.
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  Um, so I'm putting it through. because it it's you know the
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  temperature. Was a bit. cool wrap.
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  All right, and I wasn't bothered at all, but but But it's still
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  it's still a really solid three out of five.
• 4:01:43
  You know, you've been three out of are you aware?
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  that I don't hate it. I don't love it.
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  And that is kinda generally my attitude to this whole era.
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  Again, are you aware that you you just said Tim Shore is a bit
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  and then your wife I froze and it gave all of us the chance to
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  answer for you. Oh, yeah crap.
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  I said great. I said crap.
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  That's cool. Shall we go?
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  Listen, we're avoidance of Doubt.
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  Tim sure is crap. What does she freezer?
• 4:02:16
  Let's go back to the let's go to listeners comments.
• 4:02:20
  Dylan Reese the madman. That is Dylan says from a moment
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  Jodi falls through that train roof.
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  She is the doctor Tim Shaw is brilliant.
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  And I love the hazard Cliffhanger.
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  Very harmful the very handsome and persuasive Oscar Groucho
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  says a bold visually arresting nocturnal tale of Shifting
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  shadows and uncertain I didn't tease setting out the store for
• 4:02:43
  the principal themes into play of the season.
• 4:02:46
  It's in Thompson says, I will forever be baffled by the
• 4:02:49
  decision not to include the open title sequence and theme right
• 4:02:52
  from the starter in the new era as a result.
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  It just seems to unblock. Rather than boldly stating its
• 4:02:58
  intent the dazzlingly smart, Jack Koya says a refreshing
• 4:03:02
  start and a nice chance to see the doctor being newly
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  integrated into people's lives in a more mysterious way.
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  I feel invested in Ryan Graham. And yes in this episode, at
• 4:03:11
  least it's not this episode's full that some of the others
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  dropped. The ball Grace is probably my
• 4:03:16
  favorite character. So her fate shocked me.
• 4:03:19
  And the wonderful intelligent and very incisive darling
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  Randall says I thought the opening episode despite being
• 4:03:27
  too long had promised but I fast realized it wasn't going to be
• 4:03:30
  an era for me. I just wanted simple likeable
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  characters after The Moffat gag machine characters, but not this
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  cardboard some misjudged casting.
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  I never had a problem with the idea of a female doctor, but if
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  you get the casting wrong So he didn't like more fit.
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  He didn't like ship. No, I don't think he's that Keen
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  on RTD too. So I'm guessing you don't like
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  adultery too much. Yeah, Michael storms says Joe
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  Michael storm being nice about Jodi here.
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  Jodi shows promise and up potential as a boffin type
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  doctor when building her Sony. However, the story is highly
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  derivative with Tim. Shaw's Mo being more say would
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  wet dream and Doctor Who bin Crush dummy says a barnstorming
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  opener Jodi running around in Capaldi's brilliant and the fam
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  show more put so much potential some of it.
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  I'm realized if you feels like someone's thrown open the
• 4:04:21
  windows and let fresh air in that last.
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  Yes crashed on me. Oh James log, right?
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  Here we go gives us should I mean I'll meet him next week.
• 4:04:30
  I will tell him in person telling me he's got it right
• 4:04:33
  gives us action of Plenty and Jody's immediately brilliant as
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  his Bradley for that matter, but did it have to be so miserable
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  labored social realism of villain two Grim to be found and
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  a nice person gets killed. Out happy new series y'all.
• 4:04:47
  I'm Hollingsworth said Grace was the most interesting of the
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  supporting characters. Of course.
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  She had to die Tim Shaw. Oh dear.
• 4:04:54
  No too many companions too much fam too much telling not enough
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  showing Jeff. Richardson says a solid start
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  though. I don't love the preaching style
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  going forward. Tom Newsom says look, like 10
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  times its budget and one of the best new doctor introductions
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  Luke Simpson. Jenkins says a fantastic intro
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  Jody is great and wow chippers does something that RTD and moth
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  mostly fail that make companions.
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  I like Graham being my absolute fave.
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  I'm finally Paul Smyth's actually a good start to this
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  era Jody's doctor is pretty good in the swan a great Pace the
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  story but Tim Shaw is the first of a number of ineffectual
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  villains this series. so Jeff Yeah, you're right.
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  This is the most on the here. I wonder which way this will go.
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  Oh my God, you wouldn't you? Said nigh.
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  I would be so shocked. I'd spit out my drink.
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  I'm gonna take it while you are giving answer you.
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  Did you spend the night going? I fucking hate this and then you
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  realize next week. It was perfect.
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  Let's be honest. If I didn't like this, I
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  wouldn't be gushing about it. All you being a lot of trouble
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  with all these years later and it was I think I tweeted it.
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  It was a shot in the arm and the jolt that the show needed to
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  freshen it up. And I just yeah, I loved it for
• 4:06:22
  the outset, you know, Jodi making a Sonic with the spoons,
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  you know, where in the goggles like Cliffhanger ending, you
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  know Grace being the woman who fell to Earth and in the end,
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  you know, eat my salad Halloween really to him sure, you know,
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  and that's just it was brilliant the join onion turnip thing and
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  the yellow kind of diamond shaped things that come up and
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  you know, right like so Ryan meat in Yaz and throwing the
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  bike and all that's just yeah, I'm not gonna go on about it
• 4:07:04
  because I think everyone's you know, not surprised at all by
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  what I'm saying anymore. But yeah, it got me that much
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  that, you know, I'm still in in love with it all more than ever
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  now all these years later. Jeff I love I love you waxing
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  lyrical about the Jodie with era do not ever stop please on my
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  behalf. Can I just say something off my
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  notes? I forgot to say yes.
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  I have a few beers in now because it's from your notes.
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  Yes. Yes.
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  I just I love him imagined. It might not be imaginary shade
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  between show and there's one of the things I love lots of things
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  about. My father's one of the things I
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  hate the most was that he made Amy Pond. a police officer
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  stripper stripper grab Absolutely.
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  Well kissing. Oh, he made her whole as well.
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  Yeah, I was more objections to that.
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  Well, yeah. Yeah, but just in her first, you
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  know first first episode totally on necessary like histogram and
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  Here and then who do we get from chibnall?
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  I think he'd been burning with. I think he'd been burning with
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  but he gets to have yazz. But what is she she's a proper
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  actual police officer. Not a fucking kisser Graham and
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  I just love that. Although I will say they do sort
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  of end up the same way. You know, how Amy froze seed
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  doctor on the bed in flesh and stone and tries to fuck him.
• 4:08:30
  Well, they do end up with a mattress in a console room in
• 4:08:34
  the Halloween apocalypse. So what is that mattress doing
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  there? Just breaking their full?
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  Obviously. Oh Jeff, you're so realistic.
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  I love you. Oh, she's lovely.
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  Don't she she gave me a big hug? She did I said, can I give you a
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  hug and she went normally after convince people to give me a
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  hard coming out for almost around me.
• 4:09:08
  She smelled like summer. She smells gorgeous.
• 4:09:11
  Yeah. I've got a side she had a cue
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  going right around that stadium for a photographs.
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  Do what when I was a London film with Comic-Con when Jodie Amanda
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  was I think it might have been certainly Jodie's first con the
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  cues the people dressed up in Cosplay those people who say no
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  one likes those two talking utter shit what hey what now
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  under there? So happy the dollar signs in
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  their eyes have all these photographs that anyway the
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  woman who fell to have come on now.
• 4:09:42
  So Jody, of course bursting onto our screen with love and warmth
• 4:09:48
  freeing unpredictable ability. A bit of dun dun dun dun dun dun
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  dun. That was actually she's funny
• 4:10:04
  and she's desperately likeable. I think the scene where she
• 4:10:07
  makes her Sonic Screwdriver, that whole are should be fine.
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  Oh sorry. Can I I'm gonna interrupt
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  because that's what I do and if it's from you know, it's to say
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  that her Sonic is the best looking Sonic of them all.
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  It's so alien and so beautiful and weird looking.
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  It's the only one I bought you know, it's the only one that's
• 4:10:27
  seen I think that scene is my favorite scene for a doctor in
• 4:10:33
  their first episode of all of Doctor Who as well.
• 4:10:37
  Yeah. This is gonna be fun.
• 4:10:39
  My love was offended by Jodie son at the house not mine the
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  belong to early enough about your personal life when when she
• 4:10:52
  saw Jody Sonic she went so the woman's adopt now and she gets a
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  sex toy. That's what my wife said.
• 4:10:59
  Well, so she know not useful tool a fucking ergonomic thing.
• 4:11:06
  That looks like a surprise. You useful tool.
• 4:11:09
  Well, yeah. You know looks like a machine
• 4:11:12
  gun or something. It does rather.
• 4:11:13
  Yeah sonic. Yeah, every time I say
• 4:11:16
  something. Another thing.
• 4:11:18
  I think this episode gets bang on and we recently talked about
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  serious 7B and Clara's introduction in the bells and
• 4:11:25
  John and I said who the fuck is that at the end of the episode?
• 4:11:28
  I don't know. Yeah jokes that's in about three
• 4:11:30
  episodes time. I was coming out who is that?
• 4:11:33
  I don't understand that because she's a shadow of a person stock
• 4:11:36
  companion. That is all I know about it was
• 4:11:39
  at the end of this episode. Yeah that to take in one hour to
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  take three separate Companions and to give them distinct
• 4:11:47
  personalities to explain who they are where they are in their
• 4:11:51
  lives how they all know each other and then to give them all
• 4:11:54
  a reason to go with the doctor at the end.
• 4:11:56
  I know it's an accident. But actually yes, I want to
• 4:12:00
  leave no, yes, well see experience because she wants to
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  be a police officer Ryan basically.
• 4:12:06
  Kind of wants to run away from Grace's death, you know and
• 4:12:09
  Graham is is revealed has had a cancer scare.
• 4:12:11
  So it's like a second chance at life for him.
• 4:12:13
  They've all got great reasons and one of those things her
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  being the police woman his cancer scare and Grace is death.
• 4:12:20
  It all is followed up in a way that sometimes these things are
• 4:12:23
  so I think that's that's a really effective thing to do to
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  get those regulars. So perfect straight Off the Mark
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  It Is Beautiful film. They had new new film cameras
• 4:12:33
  for this and that sequence at the beginning on the on location
• 4:12:38
  in the fields. Where's that Sheffield now
• 4:12:41
  Manchester's that short story way that crane shot the
• 4:12:44
  beginning, you know, you like it there is money here in his
• 4:12:50
  cinematic and it never look better.
• 4:12:52
  You know what it's still never looked better.
• 4:12:55
  Well, I'm not sure I had a sounded better either because
• 4:12:58
  they can I can only steps into the show and after you know, I
• 4:13:01
  love Maureen's music. I love the bombast but by
• 4:13:04
  towards the end I was Starting to get repeated themes in RTD2.
• 4:13:08
  I'm starting to hear things that I'll go.
• 4:13:10
  Well that's like seriously and that's a bit like serious 7
• 4:13:12
  economic steps in and it's something completely different.
• 4:13:15
  Yeah. It's all Ambience and atmosphere
• 4:13:18
  and its disquieting and it kind of sets you on edge a bit with
• 4:13:22
  with what's going on in the episode and he does lots of
• 4:13:26
  great music for us run. But I think he gets off on the
• 4:13:28
  right foot here. The real reason I want to put
• 4:13:30
  this through and I'm so sorry for saying this Rod but it is
• 4:13:33
  absolutely subjective this I understand that and we all like
• 4:13:37
  the ears that we like but the main reason I found this so
• 4:13:40
  refreshing it is rejecting everything that Stephen morphe
• 4:13:44
  did for six seasons. It's slower.
• 4:13:46
  It's subtler. It's simpler.
• 4:13:49
  It has more time for people for consequences and for emotion.
• 4:13:54
  I just think it's such a refreshing approach and I get
• 4:13:57
  the sum of those things slow starter.
• 4:14:00
  That's not gonna be for everybody probably gonna find it
• 4:14:02
  boring for me that just had Doctor Who Run in at such a pace
• 4:14:06
  so over complicated to the point where I couldn't understand what
• 4:14:09
  was going on after time and just juggling a million things all
• 4:14:14
  that. I just got so weary of it.
• 4:14:16
  This is just felt like it was taking its time with people are
• 4:14:19
  liked and that's the sort of Doctor Who I like so quickly,
• 4:14:22
  please can I put it right? Riley say Joe had each their own
• 4:14:28
  because that's partly the reason why I'm not going to put it
• 4:14:31
  through but it doesn't matter because it's going through
• 4:14:33
  anyway, yeah, you're right. I mean, I love what Moffitt did
• 4:14:36
  I love the intellect. I love the cleverness of it.
• 4:14:39
  And this does feel it feels to me a bit like a slap in the face
• 4:14:43
  because we've gone we've got to me my mind we've got doctor to a
• 4:14:48
  certain Peak and then this suddenly feels like we've
• 4:14:51
  forgotten everything we've gone to this slow Sunday night TV
• 4:14:55
  just doesn't quite work for me. But you know each their own I
• 4:14:59
  think when a new show run it comes and it's there right and
• 4:15:02
  obligation to make it how they see fit.
• 4:15:05
  Oh, absolutely. That's like we said Jeff this
• 4:15:09
  was a peak for you. So I'm guessing RTD2 that is
• 4:15:12
  like stepping away from a peak to a more flawed show.
• 4:15:15
  Just like this was for worlds coming away from Moffitt.
• 4:15:18
  Yeah item. I'm actually gonna reference
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  you. Okay.
• 4:15:22
  I was listening to what you were saying earlier on you talked
• 4:15:25
  about. Kind of the identity kick nature
• 4:15:27
  of some of the plotting and some of the characterization and I
• 4:15:30
  kind of feel this hair. To me putting these characters
• 4:15:34
  together feels very moving the gears and it feels quite to me.
• 4:15:39
  It feels quite fake and I can see what they're doing.
• 4:15:42
  Let's start with Ryan. So we start with Ryan heavy
• 4:15:44
  influence on Ryan start with he gets the opening shot.
• 4:15:47
  We see him on his bike. You almost think Ryan's guns
• 4:15:49
  become the main character of this era after this.
• 4:15:53
  He pretty much disappears till Christmas.
• 4:15:55
  But what do we what do we in on him?
• 4:15:58
  We hear that he's frustrated with his job.
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  We don't see that we know later on he's got friends because we
• 4:16:03
  see them next year. We don't get that.
• 4:16:05
  So what we do we just focus on this fucking dyspraxia, and that
• 4:16:09
  is our way into his family his grandmother his relationship
• 4:16:13
  with Bradley Walsh. Not we don't get that heavily.
• 4:16:17
  Hey, it is blaming to Sparks. Yeah, I kind of thing.
• 4:16:20
  It's it's the theory on this tasteful to find someone by the
• 4:16:25
  limitations because that's kind of what this is doing here.
• 4:16:28
  We're hopping on I'm not gonna be that crawl what it never
• 4:16:32
  touch on just practicing TV drama then Absolutely.
• 4:16:36
  We do be followed through on it. You don't just talk about a
• 4:16:40
  couple of earlier. Yeah, how we absolutely doesn't
• 4:16:43
  make any sense give them that he's got to snacks here.
• 4:16:45
  It's it's clumsiness to the point of disability.
• 4:16:51
  It's not. Oh think I could just Be a bit
• 4:16:53
  nervous and jump 20 feet. Yeah, exactly.
• 4:16:57
  Do you know what it smacks of that older Victoria would sketch
• 4:17:01
  the making of acorn antiques when they're desperate to cram
• 4:17:04
  and you ask you in and all the production team is sitting
• 4:17:07
  around saying what can we talk about?
• 4:17:08
  Oh, I know ear wax we'll talk about ear wax.
• 4:17:11
  It's never been done before it's an issue.
• 4:17:12
  It's new. It's relevant earwax.
• 4:17:14
  That's kind of what I feel like here.
• 4:17:16
  Let's find a new issue. We'll pick on dyspraxia.
• 4:17:19
  They just don't follow through with that and that is irritating
• 4:17:23
  and I think it's doing a disservice to yeah, I think the
• 4:17:28
  most interesting character here is Grace and unfortunately she
• 4:17:31
  dies which is a real pity because I think both as
• 4:17:33
  character she's actually got some agency and energy as an
• 4:17:37
  actress. I think she's got the same thing
• 4:17:39
  that Bradley Walsh has got that kind of natural charm and
• 4:17:43
  Charisma and I think it's a real shame that she departs at this
• 4:17:46
  point. Yes.
• 4:17:47
  I know we see her ghost later on a couple of times, but I would
• 4:17:50
  have loved to have seen a lot more of Sharon D Clarke and this
• 4:17:52
  series so just don't feels a bit mechanical to me and Plot.
• 4:17:56
  I also find quite mechanical and labored you were talking guys
• 4:18:00
  earlier about Ryan throwing his bike off the cliff.
• 4:18:02
  He throws his bike off the cliff, but then he finds it in a
• 4:18:05
  shaded Woodland where there are no Cliffs or hills around
• 4:18:09
  anywhere. He suddenly how did that bite
• 4:18:11
  get into the Shaded Woodland? I don't quite get that.
• 4:18:13
  Well done the hill. It's in the middle of a trade
• 4:18:17
  doesn't really make a lot of sense then.
• 4:18:19
  Yes really heard. Yeah, yazz is centered in his
• 4:18:23
  scene is biceps. Oh, yeah gets dispatched to
• 4:18:29
  investigate. Can you honestly imagine a
• 4:18:30
  single young police woman being sent to deserted Woodlands meter
• 4:18:34
  strange who said he seen something odd and which turns a
• 4:18:38
  bit light the next scene there in the Woodland in dark what
• 4:18:42
  they've been doing for three four hours.
• 4:18:43
  It's very odd. He's very very pretty.
• 4:18:47
  Oh, he's not that prey like the doctor building the Sonic in the
• 4:18:52
  warehouse really irritates. Oh what you have no soul.
• 4:18:57
  I get that. She can build the shower and I
• 4:19:00
  get all the gag about Sheffield steel fine.
• 4:19:02
  But how does she build all the inner workings of the Sonic that
• 4:19:05
  does all these wonderful miraculous high tech things just
• 4:19:09
  spit out the Sonic Screwdriver when he has never come from the
• 4:19:17
  hardest before I don't just don't get that and then we got
• 4:19:20
  all the deaths of of people who've got a little bit of
• 4:19:23
  backstory for that. That's a real triple security
• 4:19:27
  guard. That's all just quickly feel.
• 4:19:30
  Sorry for him even know Alex that becomes yeah, that becomes
• 4:19:34
  such a Trope of triple. I'll give them one line and
• 4:19:37
  everyone will go. Ah, no, it's cheap and then we
• 4:19:41
  get terrible convenience like finding computer Farm Market if
• 4:19:45
  I die click. Hey, I mean for God's sake is
• 4:19:48
  very labor. Excuse me.
• 4:19:49
  What I was on my computer after the opinions offer out if I
• 4:19:54
  click on this and release these episodes for me, please.
• 4:19:56
  Oh the fat the colors operating a crane that might why is that
• 4:20:00
  place working at night time is just make it look good.
• 4:20:03
  The doctor sends all the bombs into Tim shorter blow him up
• 4:20:06
  then complains when Carl kicks him off the crate.
• 4:20:09
  Just these things just don't make any sense.
• 4:20:11
  So I find it all quite like but um last night.
• 4:20:14
  What are you enjoy Doctor Who at all?
• 4:20:18
  details in bloody show It's just I don't get the point of him.
• 4:20:23
  He travels to Earth to kill a surly Yorkshire teenager and
• 4:20:27
  that's going to make him the king of his Planet.
• 4:20:29
  It's just it's Bonkers, isn't it?
• 4:20:31
  So and he actually if you wanted to make give him some drama
• 4:20:34
  getting to you know, Ryan to be his Target or even Grace that
• 4:20:37
  would make sense. Then he actually kills Grace
• 4:20:39
  that would make the end Revenge storyline a bit more real and a
• 4:20:43
  bit more meaningful rather than just this meaningless teenager
• 4:20:46
  that we never see again. Oops.
• 4:20:47
  Yes, we do in Eve of the Daleks the biggest I am special.
• 4:20:52
  Yeah, very special. So you was you was praising
• 4:20:58
  those Spooner to the high heaven and I like this personality at
• 4:21:03
  all. Just I like the spoon herds.
• 4:21:06
  Anyway, it's going through so guys, I just blacked out.
• 4:21:10
  I think everyone liked that episode didn't they know?
• 4:21:13
  I wrote it but the three of us did I'm On the light.
• 4:21:24
  We're on the last story Jeff. It's you David The Best For Last
• 4:21:27
  of rough School, of course does into a position now.
• 4:21:31
  Yeah. Oh, well, what about this one?
• 4:21:34
  We've had no one wins. Oh, I won't put this one through
• 4:21:39
  then. Because despite the fact that I
• 4:21:43
  enjoy it and there's a lot to like in it.
• 4:21:45
  It was Chris admitted only a first draft and time was not on
• 4:21:52
  their side and he would have liked to have done a bit more
• 4:21:55
  work on it. And then I think its full
• 4:21:59
  potential could have been realized.
• 4:22:02
  So you can have that. Oh, all right, Jeff.
• 4:22:06
  I am so proud of you. Thank you.
• 4:22:09
  I feel truly criticism and Jeff. I feel humbled and tearful
• 4:22:17
  negativity from me. They are I think that's a great
• 4:22:22
  concept. I like the Graham gets his
• 4:22:25
  little die hard, you know moment there and you know gets to deal
• 4:22:31
  with Tim Shaw. Yeah.
• 4:22:36
  I will not talk anymore on it. The people hate this
• 4:22:41
  unnecessarily and all so either the Battle of rancid and you
• 4:22:44
  know, all the puns on the name. So racks for Co fella putorius
• 4:22:48
  is all right, but this is so they didn't put it in the title
• 4:22:50
  like it. So like if you when there isn't
• 4:22:53
  a battle you gotta remember Jeff those same people have watched
• 4:22:56
  the wedding of River Song and help him.
• 4:22:58
  How could they possibly criticize this?
• 4:23:01
  So we go to the comments Brendan Jones says worst of the season
• 4:23:05
  and indeed the entire era. Oh, it's full of developed
• 4:23:09
  Concepts. Yes, having less than moving to
• 4:23:11
  do and I highly improbable ending for the Oxford's
• 4:23:15
  confrontation with Tim Shaw is good though.
• 4:23:16
  If it has it's the last round of comments.
• 4:23:18
  Should we do all the booing and deriding right round all says,
• 4:23:25
  I'm pleased there wasn't an epic big finale just like the old
• 4:23:28
  days a close friend of mine died suddenly a few days before the
• 4:23:31
  broadcast. I really needed some escapism
• 4:23:33
  and this episode provided it. It's crapless accepted.
• 4:23:37
  Oh darling it around dolls. He doesn't you should not the
• 4:23:40
  new series either. This is the episode each.
• 4:23:42
  Well, it's time and Circumstance.
• 4:23:46
  Dylan says not a bad episode but not a great finale a bit too
• 4:23:50
  generic sci-fi some nice emotional beats and character
• 4:23:53
  arcs great to see him short back great the Austin Land for me and
• 4:23:57
  he would have helped if the support cast of the ones from
• 4:23:59
  the ghost Monument. Yeah, I don't Wonder if I was
• 4:24:02
  supposed to be you said that didn't you in early in the
• 4:24:04
  episode? Yeah, yeah, they supposed to be
• 4:24:08
  on the same planet. Oh, yeah.
• 4:24:12
  Oh the same era. Mmm, Jack Koy says would it be
• 4:24:16
  Doctor Who without us giant stinking?
• 4:24:18
  Oh steaming bunker some Bumbo jumbo about being some planets.
• 4:24:23
  We're just not fussed about on a scale.
• 4:24:25
  We can't relate to this gets in the way of the main conflict
• 4:24:28
  between Tim Shaw and Graham unacceptable for the show runner
• 4:24:31
  to be cobbling together at first draft then just to tidying to
• 4:24:35
  throw it on are anyway, you know, I I think that's on for
• 4:24:39
  it's unacceptable and just throwing on it.
• 4:24:41
  It doesn't work like that, you know thinks get out of Hand and
• 4:24:46
  in terms of times schedules people there's you know, it's
• 4:24:50
  too simplistic to say that they just threw this on there because
• 4:24:53
  there's literally not what happens, you know, if you read
• 4:24:56
  the rights as tail, you'll see that Russell T is handing in
• 4:25:01
  pages of script or they started filming stuff, you know, it
• 4:25:05
  that's usually stuff like that night, you know, which is
• 4:25:07
  absolute gold know. It's not he does it all the time
• 4:25:10
  and you know things happen and stuff doesn't go to plan.
• 4:25:15
  So I just think it's it's simply not true to say I think that
• 4:25:19
  gets best for it right first draft.
• 4:25:21
  So because I think I know that some of flux was written in a
• 4:25:26
  hurry and they were waiting for pages to produce it.
• 4:25:30
  And I think flux is brilliant. So I think he gets better right
• 4:25:34
  and quickly. Yeah, and and this, you know
• 4:25:36
  this episode, you know was when he started on it all and yeah,
• 4:25:40
  you know things didn't Perhaps go away, you know the way he
• 4:25:44
  would have liked and he admitted he wished he'd had more time on
• 4:25:47
  it, you know, but yeah, you're right.
• 4:25:48
  He then produced the absolute perfect season of who Jason
• 4:25:54
  Thompson says it has no real tension.
• 4:25:56
  The attack on Earth doesn't feel like anything more than an
• 4:25:58
  addition to give the story bigger stakes and it gets undone
• 4:26:01
  as quickly as it starts. The focus should have been on
• 4:26:04
  the attention of gray and wants to kill shot him sure even and
• 4:26:07
  the doctors reaction to that. Daniel Knight says a bit dull
• 4:26:11
  rtd's Planet Zog brought to life.
• 4:26:13
  I thought moth it only wasted good actors in inconsequential
• 4:26:16
  Parts, but here Phyllis Logan and Mark Addy get to do very
• 4:26:20
  little plus Graham wanting Revenge plot needs to be
• 4:26:23
  stronger James Larks has any season is allowed a few dots a
• 4:26:26
  few stories that don't leave an impression but forgettable
• 4:26:29
  season finale feels like pretty big problem.
• 4:26:32
  You know, what I would have done I would have brought forward
• 4:26:34
  resolution and had that as a finale and said special.
• 4:26:39
  Yeah, obviously that that transmission date was stuck
• 4:26:43
  saying stone at that point resolution is super looks Sims.
• 4:26:48
  Jenkins says this gets a lot of hate but not from me.
• 4:26:51
  All I wanted was for Ryan and Graham to have a moment they do
• 4:26:54
  and thus I didn't mind it but it is a bit of a letdown after a
• 4:26:58
  string of fantastic episodes Absolutely two says the worst
• 4:27:02
  the uck Tim Shaw his worst and defeated by grim and Ryan the
• 4:27:06
  plots and characters are extremely dull a severe. lack of
• 4:27:09
  good Andy Parkinson to prove the law of diminishing returns Tim
• 4:27:13
  Schultz return is underwhelming. The only bright spot is Graham's
• 4:27:17
  rage threats to shoot him. It's a good character moment
• 4:27:20
  when he pulls back from the brink Jeff Goddard says not
• 4:27:23
  every final Sea episode has to be Earth shattering and
• 4:27:26
  climactic not every season last to be wrapped up in an arc or a
• 4:27:29
  great mystery. It can just be what it is and
• 4:27:31
  breathe and be free. This was Doctor Who's perfect
• 4:27:34
  re-engine bliss. Wow, definitely makes a very
• 4:27:38
  good point. I also think as well RTD2 is
• 4:27:41
  just proven with the cataclysmic failure of a reaction to Empire
• 4:27:46
  of death that you can overcome its an under-deliver with an arc
• 4:27:50
  as well and Gareth Bailey. It's got Fred Flintstone in it,
• 4:27:53
  but that's about all the enthusiasm I can dredge up for
• 4:27:56
  something. That is so bad and boring.
• 4:28:00
  Right Ian over to you. Um, well I don't hate this.
• 4:28:09
  Like like a lot of fans, but at the same time I'm not putting it
• 4:28:13
  through because it is but whatever reason. and you know,
• 4:28:19
  very good is of Of a production schedule and everything this
• 4:28:24
  really feels like a first draft. It feels like a mess of a script
• 4:28:29
  to me. This is all the negatives of the
• 4:28:33
  tribalera. And very few of the positives
• 4:28:36
  the plot Fizzles out. Setups nice plot Fizzles out.
• 4:28:40
  Lots of space named people Jody explaining a lot and a robot's
• 4:28:45
  and the guns. We've all seen them from
• 4:28:47
  somewhere else even the location as we said, but it has got one
• 4:28:52
  of my favorite ever Jody lines. This is what I love about Doctor
• 4:28:55
  Who there's always something even when I'm watching trailer.
• 4:28:59
  We've got the value heard. In this the equivalent of the
• 4:29:03
  valley art is I love Wellies. Thank you have invented them.
• 4:29:07
  I just fucking love that line. I don't know why I've ever done
• 4:29:12
  a quote as well. I love that but it's it's it's a
• 4:29:20
  big load of mess. It's got lots of good people in
• 4:29:22
  it. My cat is great.
• 4:29:23
  He's a brilliant so I could wins are quite fun Phillips Logan's
• 4:29:29
  an amazing actress. And married to Kevin McNally
• 4:29:33
  which must be quite hard right now.
• 4:29:34
  Um, and it's it's all right. It's just you know, it's it's
• 4:29:43
  doesn't quite get there and I and I do agree that having this
• 4:29:48
  thing of finale is having to be massive. is has now led to
• 4:29:56
  Little T. Davis having a bit of a mess at
• 4:29:58
  the end. of the latest season like why did we have to have the
• 4:30:05
  fucking Universe blowing up all the time?
• 4:30:07
  It's getting a bit much now. So I didn't mind it for that
• 4:30:12
  part. But um, yeah, it's it's not a
• 4:30:16
  great I mean It's not it's not there's no way to get around the
• 4:30:21
  fact it's got lots of all right stuff in it, but it's probably
• 4:30:25
  the weakest of the season and it's the last one which is very
• 4:30:29
  weird. That it happened. the end so
• 4:30:33
  binit of future Um, I would like to put this through please and
• 4:30:45
  I'll probably am going to be the lone voice in this and I don't
• 4:30:48
  think this is amazing, but I it's no way near as terrible as
• 4:30:52
  people make out. In fact episodes really are as
• 4:30:55
  bad with reputations like this. They're really as bad as I've
• 4:30:59
  watched relationship. He was recently an awful that
• 4:31:01
  was perfectly fine television as well.
• 4:31:03
  Yes, Jeff you you're not alone. I'm just saying this this to we
• 4:31:08
  can bring things to you know out Vonage.
• 4:31:11
  Fair um So here are my reasons as to why I would like to put
• 4:31:17
  this through. I think Jodie Whittaker again is
• 4:31:20
  superb in this episode again. She's got a big mystery to solve
• 4:31:24
  and she gets right down to it. She has a brilliant
• 4:31:27
  confrontation with the villain despite the fact that she never
• 4:31:29
  does that despite the fact you've done that about 14 times
• 4:31:32
  this year. I think she's an excellent
• 4:31:36
  closing speech. I love that last line.
• 4:31:40
  None of us know for sure what's out there.
• 4:31:42
  That's why we keep looking keep your face travel.
• 4:31:45
  Hopefully the universe will surprise you constantly that is
• 4:31:50
  such a positive note when this season give it a season that
• 4:31:54
  Bassy Chris is everything absolutely everything and that's
• 4:31:59
  mostly in boom to have a season that closes on such an
• 4:32:03
  optimistic note and I know of sort of everybody's welcome.
• 4:32:06
  That's what she's so good. I think you're going to think
• 4:32:10
  I'm mad right, but I think the It shows that the ideas and the
• 4:32:14
  pirate planets still have some dramatic worth in the future in
• 4:32:18
  the idea of her carrying an entire planet around in a
• 4:32:20
  rucksack is really fun. I think the cinematography in
• 4:32:25
  this episode is stunning. You've never seen corridors.
• 4:32:29
  Look this gorgeous as well. She's walking around with all
• 4:32:32
  those chains swinging strip lights.
• 4:32:34
  Yeah gorgeous and at the end when the hardest is being blown
• 4:32:38
  to shit and the X-Men there it is always a glowing and this box
• 4:32:42
  flying it looks fucking gorgeous this the Quarry planet looks
• 4:32:46
  gorgeous as well. Oh, well, I love the father Mr.
• 4:32:51
  Patmore from Downton. Abbey is in this as well.
• 4:32:54
  I adore the scene where Graham says, I'm gonna kill him and the
• 4:32:58
  doctor and the doctor says you go back to the Tardis.
• 4:33:00
  I'm not having this that's a wonderful character beat that
• 4:33:04
  not a lot of people talk about and weirdly enough.
• 4:33:07
  I quite enjoyed the return of Tim Shaw as well.
• 4:33:09
  I like the fact that he's he's landed on this planet.
• 4:33:12
  And done that typical villainous thing of using a bit on the
• 4:33:15
  master and planet of fire using the religion to his Advantage,
• 4:33:18
  you know and become a bit of a God and His design.
• 4:33:22
  It's astonishing shot where the camera is far away and he's just
• 4:33:26
  in all the smoke in silhouette. It looks amazingly so turned up
• 4:33:30
  not sorry. His voice is great as well.
• 4:33:33
  And I also think he's a bit of a bastard.
• 4:33:37
  Like psychologically to people he didn't do any real physical
• 4:33:41
  stuff that we see in any of it. He's just horrible but the words
• 4:33:46
  are users and he sounds awesome. And that's Tiffany's face.
• 4:33:50
  They look like real teeth. Like where the hell did they get
• 4:33:53
  those from if they really look like it's like the Predator the
• 4:33:57
  Predators got skulls and stuff all over him from his I mean,
• 4:34:01
  have you ever had a tooth out? They sting it is face mask
• 4:34:04
  fucking stink of all those teeth in there.
• 4:34:06
  He's apparently been that 3000 years as well.
• 4:34:10
  So he's giving off a bit of a win and he takes his mask off
• 4:34:13
  like gas that comes out is the teeth.
• 4:34:16
  And after this is a good example of an episode that lets you down
• 4:34:19
  on broadcast because you have huge expectations of it.
• 4:34:22
  And when you go back to it, like I did for a recent hamster
• 4:34:25
  commentary with two people that rather like it and pointed out
• 4:34:28
  even more things than I have here.
• 4:34:29
  It's pretty good. It's not amazing.
• 4:34:32
  It isn't a great series finale but I'll say again.
• 4:34:36
  I don't think this is the serious.
• 4:34:37
  Finale this is not where they're wrapping up all the characters.
• 4:34:40
  That's the next episode. So yeah, it's perfectly fine,
• 4:34:45
  and I'm putting it through for no other reason than everybody
• 4:34:49
  hates it. And unsurprisingly I'm not put
• 4:34:53
  it through. So for the first time a story is
• 4:34:55
  not going through. I think that might be one of our
• 4:34:58
  best pattern averages, you know for a seasoned.
• 4:35:01
  Well, no, we have had all go through this.
• 4:35:03
  I just this is weakest now it is weak.
• 4:35:06
  I'm the doctor says the beginning is going to I'm going
• 4:35:08
  to lash together every resource. We've got like a sort of super
• 4:35:12
  group. I mean this isn't an Avengers
• 4:35:14
  Assemble is it it's like a mashup of gray and William's but
• 4:35:18
  that is doing a disservice to Growing Williams because this
• 4:35:21
  just trades on some of the worst suspects of that era Joe you
• 4:35:25
  talk about the look. Oh my God.
• 4:35:27
  This is just so dull a gray over cuss Quarry and then we go into
• 4:35:31
  dark gloomy industrial corridors and that's serious nine rods.
• 4:35:35
  We've talked about that already just desperately predictable.
• 4:35:39
  We have all that Gogh about or we can go on to the planet
• 4:35:42
  because it will affect on mine. He's got a where's special
• 4:35:44
  equipment? He's been like that bit industry
• 4:35:46
  darling where they take the ocean belts and then forget
• 4:35:49
  about her because this is the equally anti-climactic because
• 4:35:52
  when they finally said the device off the doc says, oh,
• 4:35:55
  I've got a bit of a headache that's it after all this build
• 4:35:57
  up the you know, she's going to go psychotic if she takes
• 4:36:01
  equipment off. She just has a bit of a hat day
• 4:36:03
  if it feels very underworld, so maybe we've got robot.
• 4:36:06
  Guards protecting a power center few gun battles then that ends
• 4:36:10
  with the doctor just grabbing them a Goffin and running away.
• 4:36:13
  Yeah, it's just it's the worst of Graham Williams isn't that
• 4:36:16
  the characters the character dope Truckee is really dull the
• 4:36:22
  sniper Bots. Why the fuck did we need to
• 4:36:24
  bring them but they were and about and they're still missing
• 4:36:28
  over a body and Tim Shaw. I don't get the point of Tim
• 4:36:31
  sure. He's days there for 3,000 47
• 4:36:36
  years doing what God only knows. I'm finally the resolution the
• 4:36:41
  resolution is just intensely poor.
• 4:36:44
  So he got philosophy Logan's carrots, right?
• 4:36:46
  She's being sure for thousands and thousands of years and she
• 4:36:51
  is happily doing what he tells to do.
• 4:36:52
  But all it takes is the doctor just to say that creatures in
• 4:36:56
  lie, and he debates you and your faith and she had played changed
• 4:36:59
  her mind and says, oh, yeah, let's get rid of it.
• 4:37:02
  Show me you would wouldn't you it's nonsense.
• 4:37:06
  Called sound now, of course, it's leaving.
• 4:37:08
  Bye bye Battle of rough score. That's it.
• 4:37:11
  That's just predictable moment of the entire episode was there
• 4:37:16
  just so what is not predictable is that we're finally right
• 4:37:20
  through to round two. This is where Jeff has to
• 4:37:23
  stalking his children because we've got nine stories.
• 4:37:26
  Actually. I've Just Gonna Be Crying by the
• 4:37:29
  end of this. Is she can choose one over
• 4:37:33
  another that's easy. So I'm spinning the wheel and we
• 4:37:38
  have the woman who fell to Earth.
• 4:37:41
  Plays Rosa I'm keeping Rosa. Oh keep Rosa.
• 4:37:47
  It goes up. I'll keep Rosa of those too.
• 4:37:52
  So woman who fell to Earth is number nine to fall.
• 4:37:59
  I love this music. I love this music your son.
• 4:38:02
  We've got a pile of steaming to that is the ghost monument and
• 4:38:09
  that plays demons the Punjab. Oh, I'll go first on that demons
• 4:38:13
  important job. He's like Yeah Punjab for me.
• 4:38:16
  It's just the best. It's gonna have to be the ghost
• 4:38:20
  Monument. It's got my favorite ever Doctor
• 4:38:24
  Who seen in it. Well tough It's Gonna Be demons.
• 4:38:29
  So you want balls just looks crushed screws.
• 4:38:36
  It's actually but it's like we need a winner though.
• 4:38:40
  We need a winner. And we've got right that's my
• 4:38:43
  buddy. I mean the real winner Jeff is
• 4:38:45
  the real winner is series 11 because nine of the episodes
• 4:38:49
  went through it around here is me because he was able to prove
• 4:38:55
  that you have me because my suspense music has been out of
• 4:39:04
  play for a bit longer not all of us talking show.
• 4:39:08
  I hate him. So we've got Rosa against the
• 4:39:11
  racism in the UK. I'll go first and I'll go for
• 4:39:16
  Roses the Rockets. for fun or you know what?
• 4:39:27
  I'm gonna go for a racist in the UK just to be contrary.
• 4:39:31
  I love it Rosa. Oh, no, it's down to me.
• 4:39:42
  I'm gonna say Rosa because of how astonishing that is as an
• 4:39:49
  episode. So arachnids false, we're down
• 4:39:53
  to six. The witchfire.
• 4:39:56
  Oh my God, a decent episode The witchfinder plays the saranga
• 4:40:00
  conundrum. Oh the fish finders for me,
• 4:40:03
  which finds us for me, which phone is for me?
• 4:40:05
  I think also which finders because I like spooky who Gosh,
• 4:40:10
  that was easy. Bye bye saranga because it was
• 4:40:13
  shit. That's slaves.
• 4:40:24
  Oh, please don't be Demons of the Punjab plays.
• 4:40:28
  Can I cheat her plays Rose? So I'm going to take your way
• 4:40:34
  cuz I think it's Nicole of the year.
• 4:40:38
  Yeah, I'll do it takes you away. I'm doing it takes you away as
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  well. So am I whoa consensus Rosa gets
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  blasted out into space makes your ways really.
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  Right, we've got four left. Spin the wheel and we've got it
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  takes you away. please a couple of takes you away.
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  It takes you away. It takes you it takes you away.
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  That was again. Pretty Universal So Glam Falls.
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  We left with three demons the Punjab the witch finders and it
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  takes you away. Oh solid gold.
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  So we've got the witch Finders. First is it takes you away.
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  It takes you away. It's just so brilliant.
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  I'll go with you. All right, it packs so much in.
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  I think I'll do it as well. Oh the last two I was generally
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  I was generally gonna say which finders but only just but it
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  doesn't matter. It doesn't so we are down and we
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  have to make a decision. We are down to Demons the Punjab
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  and it takes you away as the last. demons I'm gonna say take
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  you away. I'm saying it takes you away.
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  Oh, fuck you all I've got now Ava relent to it takes you away
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  or it'll be a draw for the episode.
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  Joe give you a blowie if you say In that case, you'll go for a
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  text you away. I didn't take you away.
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  Is different countries I can't believe this is what?
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  My heart says that is the best episode one of the best episodes
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  of new. It is.
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  Yeah. I mean you guys all right.
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  It takes your ways just something magic in that.
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  What we've got well if no one is for Tony, it has a spill into
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  the next episode and whoever's on that got shoes for us.
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  I don't spit into an episode. demons, because it is Yeah, it's
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  Jeff. I love you.
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  I am a sister out this and oh, yeah, you've proven it at the
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  end. So this is what I wanted.
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  I will see demons of the Punjab to be rightfully recognized.
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  What's the opposite of Nemesis? That's what you are to Major
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  hero. You're my hero.
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  Don't stop singing that as well. Right.
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  So we finally finally after many many torturous hours.
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  We have finally reached the conclusion.
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  Excuse me. Can I just say one thing at the
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  end of this? I don't think it was torturous
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  at all. I think now as much as you might
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  not like it, I think there was about between the comments and
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  our comments there was about 75% positivity pointed out seriously
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  leather and that really refreshing.
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  Yeah. I think the people who don't
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  like it allowed her the most amazing show the people who do
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  like it have become afraid to sign a thing because of the loud
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  voice is I see well Jeff you have not been afraid to say
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  tonight this season, but I think it's made me go she watching it
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  was brilliant. I'd like to more I liked it
• 4:44:35
  more. What if we say that if you put
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  through more than seven I'll give you a blurry.
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  I think that was the deal right? I'm a winner overweight.
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  I just like to propose the idea of tackling flux like this.
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  Oh, yeah. Oh Lord.
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  Are you brave enough know? I'm no I'd quite happy I will do
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  on who Corner. Well do it on your right?
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  I think I hate Flats. I think you'll find me what I
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  love it. So I'd be very up for
• 4:45:11
  reappraisal. Well, whether it's strictly
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  normal hamster or who wants to Corner we will talk about flocks
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  in the future. Yes.
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  Fantastic. Well, we have time to shout.
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  Oh, yeah, I was gonna say we finally got that he's awesome
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  your usual question now. Oh, Gentleman, is there anywhere
• 4:45:37
  where you'd like to direct people where they can find you
• 4:45:40
  or is there anything you would like to promote that you haven't
• 4:45:42
  already about 500 times. I'm not sure where you two
• 4:45:48
  podcasts elsewhere. So could you let me know please?
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  It's a boy. Oh you go first, you know you go
• 4:45:53
  first. So I co-host who Corners Corner
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  podcast. We are on Twitter at who C2C the
• 4:46:01
  number two and our web address is who corner to corner DOT bus
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  route.com And I co-host with my good friend Paul and we do
• 4:46:15
  episode reviews we talk to cast and crew from the show to other
• 4:46:19
  fans. We do episode commentaries audio
• 4:46:22
  dramas all sorts of stuff. And I this is like this is like
• 4:46:29
  opening the floodgates now Ian. Well, did I tell you about the
• 4:46:32
  time that no, yeah. No, I'm I I write for cutaway
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  Comics who can be found at cutaway.
• 4:46:40
  Comic.com UK and I host the Cutaway bunker and some black
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  gold Joe Ford on. Season episode 1 of season 2
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  where I did talk about the flight.
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  I believe you did and you did pick the flux is one of your
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  five people to go into the bunker five episodes to go into
• 4:47:00
  the bunker with um, which is very weird.
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  And yes, so that can be found out the bunker bunker cutaway
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  pod, but just generally yes, that's me.
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  Yes, but looks like he wants to die.
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  He just picked up on that after five hours actually overall.
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  That's Trump. I'm very empathic right very
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  real. I think you might need to read
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  about it. Anyway gentlemen genuine much.
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  Thank you. Thank you so much.
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  Thank you. I love I do love listen to the
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  strictly and I love it when people are tangents.
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  Oh you certainly done plenty of that.
• 4:48:08
  Anyway, love it. He's Unstoppable next episode
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  Joe because this episode has been delayed.
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  I'm trying. Oh I tried to bring us back on
• 4:48:21
  track. We're doing a season 14 Tom
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  Baker's third season, ah next episode.
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  Hey, we've already recorded that.
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  I know that I'm telling them. Hey, you always a bagger.
• 4:48:33
  But if you recorded yeah, we're still going in we say thank you
• 4:48:38
  all for listening. Please come back again.
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  Next time. These two will not be on next
• 4:48:50
  time. I will be unfortunately.
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  Yeah, I might not be so thank you for listening and until next
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  time. That what they do.
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  Oh going you reduced me to tears like