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How Tuesday's Big Shift In NIL Will Change The Game For Ohio State · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Media Days in Las Vegas. Tony, it was Ohio State Day,
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  Speaker 1: so we got a chance to talk to Ryan Day,
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Downs, Jeremiah Smith, and Sunny Styles. Lots are interesting
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  Speaker 1: stuff from them. I want to get to that a
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  Speaker 1: little later because we also got a chance to talk
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  Speaker 1: to osu A d Ross Bjork and they say timing
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  Speaker 1: is everything in life, and so I had we After
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day did his interview, I asked Ross, hey, can
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  Speaker 1: I grab you for a few minutes. I just want
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  Speaker 1: to ask you some questions about nil and how you
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  Speaker 1: guys handling and all that kind of stuff. Because we've
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  Speaker 1: had people on our board asking, you know, hey, why
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  Speaker 1: are they doing this? Why are they approaching it like that?
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  Speaker 1: So great, you go straight to the horse's mouth. He
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  Speaker 1: was very gracious, got a great interview with him, posted
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  Speaker 1: it on our board, and then someone said did you
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  Speaker 1: see the news? And I said, what news? And it
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  Speaker 1: turned out that as I was talking to Ross Bjork
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  Speaker 1: about NIL, news broke about a major change in NIL
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  Speaker 1: that then potentially changes some stuff for Ohio state. So
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  Speaker 1: why don't you just sort of start by explaining what
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  Speaker 1: actually changed today and then we can get into what
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  Speaker 1: it maybe means for Ohios date.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as with all breaking news escaped from Ross tellinger
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  Speaker 2: Yahoo talking about how the House Attorneys of the House Settlement,
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  Speaker 2: their attorneys, and the Power Conferences have worked out a
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  Speaker 2: deal to relax the collective third party NIL quote unquote
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  Speaker 2: roadblocks because initially, when a lot of these deals were
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  Speaker 2: submitted to NIL GO, the ones that were coming from
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  Speaker 2: the collectives, we're getting kicked back and being denied as
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  Speaker 2: like not valid business purposes. Now it seems like they're
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  Speaker 2: going to relax or revise the definition of valid business
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  Speaker 2: purposes and to where they fall under the scope of
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  Speaker 2: what collectives and other third party in aisle deals fall under.
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  Speaker 2: So that's kind of the change. Now they'll still need
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  Speaker 2: to go through an aisle go, it's just the clearing
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  Speaker 2: house now has a little bit different directive and direction
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  Speaker 2: on what to allow and what not to allow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were one of the last interviews of the
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  Speaker 1: day was Brett Bielima, who is a great quote on
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  Speaker 1: literally everything. So I asked him about this and he said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a little bit too soon to make some specific,
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  Speaker 1: you know, specific remarks on it, but he kind of
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  Speaker 1: drew that same distinction where if a collective can pay
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  Speaker 1: a player, you know, if collective wants to pay a
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  Speaker 1: player a million dollars, it still has to go through
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  Speaker 1: an aisle go. And if the convict collected and algo
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  Speaker 1: says this is you know, this is fifty thousand dollars worth,
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  Speaker 1: this is not a million dollars worth, then that you know,
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  Speaker 1: you still have some of the guardrails there that I
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  Speaker 1: think the folks in charge would like, how will that
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  Speaker 1: hold up in terms of you know, how will that
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  Speaker 1: hold up in terms of how things go? Will We'll
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  Speaker 1: have to see, schools.
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  Speaker 2: Are always going to try to push the boundaries, so like, well,
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  Speaker 2: this got denied, But what if we just do this
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  Speaker 2: and let's see what we can get away with And
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  Speaker 2: then when stuff gets denied, you're like, yeah, this is
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  Speaker 2: you know, we need we need a new rule. So
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be interesting to see how much impact
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  Speaker 2: this has, how often they still get denied, and then
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  Speaker 2: what does that mean for Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and that's kind of an interesting question because Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State has I think taken a somewhat conservative approach to
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  Speaker 1: things over the last few months. And you've sort of
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  Speaker 1: seen teams go out and you know, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to I don't want anyone assume I'm talking about the
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  Speaker 1: Georgia Bulldogs here, because I'm not. But you have people
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  Speaker 1: squealing their tires and you know, drag racing off the
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  Speaker 1: line with with this to a certain degree. And you
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  Speaker 1: can look at the NI look at the recruiting rankings
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  Speaker 1: and go, hey, they're not normally needed to the top,
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  Speaker 1: and there they are this year. So you have teams
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  Speaker 1: that are taking that sort of approach, and then you
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  Speaker 1: have other teams that are taking, you know, a more
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  Speaker 1: measured approach, for more kind of weight and see approach.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that there's been a lot of well,
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  Speaker 1: obviously this is how it's going to shake out, and
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  Speaker 1: that's not a luxury that people in charge of stuff
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  Speaker 1: actually have, just assuming that you know how something's going
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  Speaker 1: to shake out. So it's taken a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: of a measured approach right now. But it feels like
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  Speaker 1: this is maybe a little bit more of a green
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  Speaker 1: light to Okay, now you can sort of expand what
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  Speaker 1: you're doing. And you know, there was there is this
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  Speaker 1: idea that you know, they have they uh deactivated their collectives,
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  Speaker 1: which they did, but that then they had nothing and
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  Speaker 1: it's no. That's that I think is a pretty common
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  Speaker 1: this perception that yes, they sort of deactivated the foundation
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  Speaker 1: and the eighteen seventy right, eighteen seventy club, but that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they've completely gotten out of the Nile
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  Speaker 1: business and they're you know, they like moth bowled an
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  Speaker 1: old battleship or something. That's not what they did.
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  Speaker 2: No, they brought the collectives in house essentially and created
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  Speaker 2: the Buckeye Sports Group, which is Ohio State's own marketing
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  Speaker 2: arm to go out to businesses and say, hey, look
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  Speaker 2: at this guy that we do you want to do
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  Speaker 2: you want this guy to endorse you your products, so
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  Speaker 2: they've just brought it in house. And as Russ when
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  Speaker 2: we were I think we're both talking to him, He's like,
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  Speaker 2: the term collective is it's people use it, but it's
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  Speaker 2: like what are you providing? What what goods are you providing?
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  Speaker 2: What is the purpose of it? And the purpose of
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State's Buckeye Sports Group is the same as the
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  Speaker 2: collectives where you want to provide third party and il
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  Speaker 2: deals to the players. And he said, we've been waiting,
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  Speaker 2: we're plug and play. That was where we're we're plugging play.
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  Speaker 2: So if this is because he was like I was showing,
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  Speaker 2: I'm on my phone like this is see the Roste
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  Speaker 2: starts like, okay, well it's I'm not surprised.
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  Speaker 1: No, I was talking to tell him on that.
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  Speaker 2: Broch So it's like, you know he wanted didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to go all in on it, but yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: speaking like in generality is like, yeah, this is not
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  Speaker 2: unexpected because it seems like this is an easier fix.
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  Speaker 2: And so Congress, can you know, do do some stuff
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  Speaker 2: because the attorneys weren't happy that the clearinghouse or that
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  Speaker 2: the clearinghouse is kicking back some some collective stuff and
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  Speaker 2: now Ohio State, they're they're prepared. The question that you
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  Speaker 2: see from a lot of people is that Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: wasn't the only team just slow playing this right, But
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  Speaker 2: people some people think that they are because this is
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  Speaker 2: the team that I am focused on and this is
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  Speaker 2: what they're doing. Everybody else is not doing that because
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  Speaker 2: I keep seeing this team and that team, and it's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you're seeing four teams, you know, so listen. I think
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  Speaker 2: all members are askewed in terms of who is and
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  Speaker 2: who isn't doing stuff. I think there's there's an argument
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  Speaker 2: that people have that Ohio State by slow playing that
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  Speaker 2: they have set themselves back and they have harmed themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Day what he said today before this broke, but
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  Speaker 2: talking about if it does or you know, like just
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  Speaker 2: in the future. So what we don't want to do
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  Speaker 2: at Ohio State is make agreements or talk to people
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  Speaker 2: about certain deals and have to claw those things back
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  Speaker 2: because they don't get cleared. I don't think that's the
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  Speaker 2: right look for us at Ohio State. I think some
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  Speaker 2: folks are being more aggressive than others. That's their decision.
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  Speaker 2: We're always going to be aggressive, but we also want
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  Speaker 2: to make sure we're doing things the right way and
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  Speaker 2: that has angered to people.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but I think that that's been a very common
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  Speaker 1: approach among teams. I mean, Brett Bielomo, when he was
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  Speaker 1: talking about stuff, talked about the fact that what they
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  Speaker 1: don't want to do is get to a point where
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  Speaker 1: you have a player. You know, if a player has
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  Speaker 1: been promised something, and he was talking about it in
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  Speaker 1: terms of other schools, Yeah, a player has been promised
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  Speaker 1: X amount of money one and a half million dollars
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  Speaker 1: for a two year deal, and then you get to
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  Speaker 1: November and it's like, ah, actually we don't have that money.
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  Speaker 1: So and you know, he said in the past he's
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  Speaker 1: had guys who kind of came back to him like so,
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  Speaker 1: and you know he didn't have a scholarship, and that
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  Speaker 1: you can really have someone kind of left out in
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  Speaker 1: the cold at that point, and you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be that school. You have seen schools, other schools get
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  Speaker 1: sued for anil stuff that didn't go through the way
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  Speaker 1: that it was supposed to. You don't want to be
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  Speaker 1: that school. And while I think the inclination everyone has
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  Speaker 1: is only my school is not doing this, the way
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  Speaker 1: that fill in the blying school is when we go
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  Speaker 1: back and we talk about, well, you got to look
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  Speaker 1: at what the you know, the teams that were really
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  Speaker 1: out front of this a couple of years ago in
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  Speaker 1: terms of being very very aggressive with an IO when
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  Speaker 1: this first came out, and how did it go for them?
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  Speaker 1: And we always talk about Texas A and m and
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  Speaker 1: Miami and the responses, well, you only talk about Texas
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  Speaker 1: and Miami. It's like, yeah, those were the couple teams
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  Speaker 1: that were really pushing the envelope. Everyone's going, why are
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  Speaker 1: we doing what they're doing? And then you look at
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  Speaker 1: the results and it's not great and not everyone is
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  Speaker 1: going absolutely pedal to the metal on this stuff. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: right right, there's a there's all sorts of degrees of
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  Speaker 1: gray here. I'm very interested to talk to James Franklin
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  Speaker 1: on Wednesday. He'll be here, Dan Lanning will be here.
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  Speaker 1: Always so interested to hear from Dan Lanning and James
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  Speaker 1: Franklin because those are two schools that are recruiting top
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  Speaker 1: ten classes, so you're obviously taking part in this, but
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  Speaker 1: they're not recruiting in the way that USC is this season.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, my guess is that Lincoln Riley is
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  Speaker 1: not going to talk about it, but I think James
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  Speaker 1: Franklin and Dan Lanning will probably talk about it. So
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  Speaker 1: that is going to be very interesting because I think
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  Speaker 1: there is so much gre Ryan Day talked about the
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  Speaker 1: uncertainty and the gray areas. There are so many gray areas.
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  Speaker 1: Now this is potentially one less gray area than there
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  Speaker 1: was before, which is good. How long will this stay?
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  Speaker 1: You know, will this get challenged in court? I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: at some point it will. If history is in munication,
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  Speaker 1: at some point it will. One thing that I thought
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  Speaker 1: was interesting when I talked to Ross Byork was we
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  Speaker 1: have two Rosses in the story Dellancher, who broke the
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  Speaker 1: story in Ross Buyorke, the ad for Ohio State. When
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  Speaker 1: I talked to Ross Biorke, he talked about the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you know, I said, one thing I'm a little
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  Speaker 1: unclear on is so you have a recruit and the
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  Speaker 1: recruit has chosen a different school, and the recruit has
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  Speaker 1: been promised whatever the recruit has been promised. Is that
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  Speaker 1: guy done? Is that sign sealed delivered? And you you know,
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  Speaker 1: you would have to like buy him out of his
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  Speaker 1: nil contract or just something that they talked that you know,
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  Speaker 1: has been talked about in terms of like future years,
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  Speaker 1: and he said no, right now, it is not legal
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  Speaker 1: to have signed anything as a high school player until
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  Speaker 1: August first, So theoretically, you know, is everyone following the rules,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see, I'm reminded of these, you know, if you've
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  Speaker 1: signed a contract before you're allowed to sign a contract.
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  Speaker 1: I'm reminded of the Stringer Bell line. Are you taking
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  Speaker 1: notes on a criminal conspiracy? Like? I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: i'd want to be, you know, writing down the things
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  Speaker 1: that I am doing against the rules. But you you know,
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  Speaker 1: according to the rules the way they are written, in
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  Speaker 1: the way that they were explaining to me today by
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  Speaker 1: Ross Orb, No, no one is signed, sealed and delivered
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  Speaker 1: and gone anywhere you could. That can't happen until August first,
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  Speaker 1: that you could sign anything. And then in terms of
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  Speaker 1: actually having something go through the nl GO clearinghouse, it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like that would be even later before that get right.
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  Speaker 2: And schools can't pay players until they're until they're part
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  Speaker 2: of the program. Now, collectives probably can because there are
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  Speaker 2: separate entities. Yes, but when you have boosters paying recruits,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of an a touchy situation. But the I
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  Speaker 2: think there's still time to make up for any lost time,
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  Speaker 2: which is I think what Ohio's day was, what was
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  Speaker 2: planning for, like, we'll be patient, We'll have time to
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  Speaker 2: catch up. Now will they get everybody that they missed
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  Speaker 2: because of and I know, but they're just it sounds
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  Speaker 2: so like Homers. They're just trying to do things the
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  Speaker 2: right way time, but it's like they wanted to stay
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  Speaker 2: within the rules. They wanted clarity Ryan day today. I'm
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  Speaker 2: excited to find out what the rules are so that
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  Speaker 2: I can play by them and then find out if
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  Speaker 2: they're actually going to be enforced. The gray area is
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  Speaker 2: what drives me insane. Now there's some of that gray
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  Speaker 2: area has been lifted, perhaps, but again these still have
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  Speaker 2: to be passed by anil go. It's just they've relaxed
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  Speaker 2: some of the rules that would normally get some stuff denied.
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  Speaker 2: And then I asked Ross Bjork, how frustrating is it
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  Speaker 2: to just be sitting back while other programs are going
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  Speaker 2: out and getting this guy and that guy and that guy.
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  Speaker 2: And he said, yeah, Look, every ad and every coach
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  Speaker 2: knows exactly what's happening around the world, and if we
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  Speaker 2: were allowing that to happen, then that's on us because
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  Speaker 2: we all said we wanted accountability, we all said we
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  Speaker 2: wanted rules, and if we've taken advantage of this sort
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  Speaker 2: of interim period knowingly breaking the rules, again, that's on us.
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  Speaker 2: But that's where college athletics we have to have a
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  Speaker 2: reset and if we ever want durability, if we ever
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  Speaker 2: want the system to sustain itself, then now's the time
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  Speaker 2: to do it. So they've got more clarity under rules,
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  Speaker 2: so now they can move forward. But again their view
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  Speaker 2: is that what people were doing before was wrong. That's
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  Speaker 2: why they weren't doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, again this is not this is
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  Speaker 1: not to say that you know that there is this
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  Speaker 1: incredible uh, you know, virginal purity and no one has
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  Speaker 1: ever broken No one is saying that about any school.
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  Speaker 1: But I think there has clearly been a spectrum of
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  Speaker 1: approaches to this. In Ohio State has been at least
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more on the cautious side than some schools,
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  Speaker 1: and there has been a lot of constermation about that approach.
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  Speaker 1: But it's I think when you were running an organization
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  Speaker 1: like Ohio State, you just you don't need to take
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  Speaker 1: unnecessary risks. I mean, Brian Day has talked about, and
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  Speaker 1: I think Russ York did as well, some of the
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  Speaker 1: inherent advantages that Ohio State has. And I mean they
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  Speaker 1: didn't talk about this, but you know, over the course
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  Speaker 1: of the last seventy years, there's no school in America
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  Speaker 1: that has been as consistently well above average as Ohio State. Like,
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  Speaker 1: no one. There's not you know, Alabama's that extended down periods,
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  Speaker 1: Georgia's had extended down periods, Penn State, Michigan like they've
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  Speaker 1: they've had. There is not a school that can match
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State, Texas, Texas A and m Oklahoma. Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: has been consistently at least very good for basically since
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  Speaker 1: what the late sixties, so you're looking at what fifty years,
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  Speaker 1: sixty years. I mean it's it's there is enough that
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State has going for it. And this was true
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  Speaker 1: in terms of Nick Saban, Alabama or Georgia, where they
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  Speaker 1: have other stuff to sell that they don't need to
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  Speaker 1: necessarily really push the envelope. I think it's telling that
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  Speaker 1: the programs that are have been sort of singled out
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  Speaker 1: is really pushing the envelope, or all the programs that
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  Speaker 1: have been you know, we're good at one point, but
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  Speaker 1: have kind of fallen off and now you're desperately trying
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  Speaker 1: to dig yourself out of the pit, and you know.
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  Speaker 2: You sign Nico to a eight million dollar deal or whatever. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because you have these desperate programs that have some desperate
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  Speaker 2: moments and they want to get back to where they
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  Speaker 2: were Florida with JJ, like wanting to make a splash,
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  Speaker 2: a desperate move, and then you see what happens afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's always kind of messy, and you you
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  Speaker 1: don't need to risk there's no reason to risk messy
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  Speaker 1: if you are a program that's in that Georgia, Ohio
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  Speaker 1: state kind of tiar there's no reason to do it
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  Speaker 1: because you you can, you can do it in a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more of a deliberate way because you have
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff going for you. You don't
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  Speaker 1: you have stuff to sell other than just and I stuff.
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  Speaker 2: What I do think is fascinating is a few weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: I was on the Mark Rogers show. He had Chip Brown,
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  Speaker 2: who covers from Texas on and he was saying the
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  Speaker 2: same thing about Texas is being conservative because they don't
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  Speaker 2: know that they want some clarity. And then like one
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  Speaker 2: day later they the sonhow got some clarity because they
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  Speaker 2: started splashing. They started getting all kinds of recruits. And
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  Speaker 2: it can go like that, right, you know where you decide,
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  Speaker 2: all right, we're going to go after it, and then
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  Speaker 2: they go and get a bunch of guys. So we'll
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  Speaker 2: see what Ohio State does. I they say they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be aggressive within the rules, So I'm interested to
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  Speaker 2: see what that means to them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then how aggressive are they is going to be?
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  Speaker 1: How aggressive they are within the rules, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: But it also has to do a lot with program
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  Speaker 1: culture and some of the approach to payroll, which is
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  Speaker 1: it's just so wild for me, having followed and covered
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: college football for this long, to just be talking about
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: you know, the the Big Tens corporate partner PayPal, who
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: all the everything goes the conference office. Everything runs through
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: the conference office. The conference office PayPal is money to
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the players. It's like, I'm sorry, what if you woke
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: up from a two year coma Like it is a
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: very different world. But Ryan Day talked about their approach
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: to you know, their school. There are plenty of schools
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: that are going like dropping big bags on guys who
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: are coming in, who might not play for two three years.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's recruiting a hot shot offensive tackle. How
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: many of those guys are going to play as true
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: freshman Probably not a lot. So then you've got a
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: guy who's a true freshman who's not playing a ton
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: who's one of your highest players paid players in your team.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: What does that do to the locker room? All that
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff? What did Brian Day? Brian Day talked
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: about sort of starters, backups, and then kind of depth
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: guys or guys who are maybe going to be a
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: little bit more of a little bit more of a
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: you know, deliberate process to being a starter. What did
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: he have to say about that?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, first, yeah, you take care of the starters,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: then you take care of the backups, and then you've
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: got the ancillary the players. You mentioned Matt Patricia coming
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: over from the NFL where he was a g and
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: he's done this stuff Mark Mantoni obviously. But one of
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the things that you you have that he mentioned about
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: being worried about, is you can create some culture issues
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: when guys who aren't playing are the ones that are
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: making more money than the ones who are, and you're
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: talking whether that's splashy transfers, splashy freshman, a five star
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: left tackle who is you know you went and got
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: you know, for two million dollars And they've tried to
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: they've tried to get some expensive left tackles, and then
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: that guy gets there and well, he's watching Austin Seerveld
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: as a three year starter and whoever else you know
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: playing all of these these snaps, and as as an
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: offensive lineman in college, you don't, you're not the flashy player.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: You're you're you're going to be. Yeah, down, Well, they're
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: going to pay the starters what they can. But when
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: you've got a freshman left tackle that comes in and
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: is making close to what a quarterback is making and
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: he's not going to play for at least a year
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: if he does well, who plays a recher freshman? That
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: can create some issues. And that's something we've always talked
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: about with the locker room and paying freshmen. And that's
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: what makes Jeremiah Smith special. Yeah, because yeah, no.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: One, no one's questioning, no one's questioning anything about what
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: he's he's underpaid. Yeah, yeah, I think you can also
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: look at this approach in whowall. Why do you think
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: this approach works well. Twenty twenty three, what did Michigan do.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Michigan use their nil for the those who stay campaign
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to get guys to come back for one Warrior, to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: get JJ McCarthy, to get Blake Krum, to get all
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: those offensive linemen and all those guys to come back
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: for another year. How did it go? They won the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: National Championship. Now Michigan has spent in recruiting. I mean,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Bryce Underwood did not come to Michigan for free. But
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Michigan also has not been dropping massive, massive, massive bags
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: on everyone. I think they've been much more of like
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: that sort of middle of the road approach. Ohio State
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: last year. What did Ohio State did? Well? Same thing.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: You spent your nil. You had the everyone wants to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: yell about the twenty million dollar number. They were not
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the only team that spent twenty million dollars, But they
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: also didn't spend twenty million dollars to bring a bunch
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: of eighteen year olds in who to sit on the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: bench and be the third team. And they spent it
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: to bring back guys, retain your roster, bring back the
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: what ten or eleven draft eligible guys who came back
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: last year, how did it go? Hey, just like Michigan,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: they won the national championship Penn State. This year, Penn
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: State's added some guys in the portal. But Penn State
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: brought back k Ron Allen, KNJ brought back Drewler, pennz
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: brought back Nick Singleton. I mean, all these guys, They've
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: got guys on defense, Gy Dennis Sutton. I mean, you've
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: got all these guys who are notable, notable players who
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: are going to be part of what could be a
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: national championship caliber team at Penn State. That's the approach
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that you've sort of seen work. The spend a ton
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of money on the true freshman. I mean, if someone
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: can point to me the team that has won the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: national championship doing that, okay, but I can't think of
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: one off the top of my head right now.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Right And recruiting is the lifeblood of college sports. Retention
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: is really really important because if Ohio State has a
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: number one class in twenty twenty four, but they only
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: retain four of their seniors, they're not winning the national title. Right.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So retention, if you've got to get the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: players before you can retain them. I get that, But
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: you can't catch your nose up to spite your face
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: with In terms of retention, you have to retain guys
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: and when there's as much tampering as there is now,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: like you, you also have to have essentially a rainy
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: day fund for when somebody comes to you and it's like, hey,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: like if Austin Seerveld right now, we're to be like, hey,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I need fifty. You got to give it to him,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: like it needs to be there to take care of him,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: because he's that important to the program right now. And
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: so I think you have to prepare for those days
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: and be aware that that could happen. And you can't
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: just flush all the money on recruits, especially since you
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: can't technically pay them until they get right here.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, And it's all it's all promises and
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: it's all.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: And then if you're going to promise them something you
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: have to deliver.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: You'd better follow through otherwise you're going to have some
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: big You're gonna have some big issues if you don't
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: follow through. And that's not just big issues for three weeks,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you know, that's that's big issues that can follow you
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: for a while, that can cost you a head coach,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So anything else on this
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: end of things before we shift to some of the
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: other stuff we talked about today.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Now let's shift.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's shift.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It's your show.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Thought's say, it's our show. Is my name on it? Yes,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it's still, but this is it's okay. So
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I got a chance to talk to Ryan Day, Jeremiah Smith,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Sunny Styles, and Caleb Downs. I think you were around
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Ryan Day for the whole thing. I was kind of
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: in and out. I had a couple of other things
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that were going on at that point. So what were
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the big Let's let's talk on field stuff. Okay, yeah,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you know, we're contractually obligated to start with quarterback. Ryan
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Day was asked about Okay, so coming out of spring,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the Creek quarterbacks were too close to call any movement
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: No, no, no movement. But they are both continuing to progress,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: trying to make them as uncomfortable as possible, trying to
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: make this as difficult as possible. And then he said,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you like, eventually you'll know when the team knows, like
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: when the team has found their leader. That's going to
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: be a good sign. He also said they're gonna find
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: out who the iron buck eyes are like early next week,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I believe, because this is where mc hann's the keys
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: over to Ryan Day and you'll see did any of
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the quarterbacks, you know, what kind of leadership growth did
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: they make? What kind of summer did they have? Like
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: this is all They're competing with each other in everything,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: and as Randy said, he everything counts and again you're
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: trying to make things as difficult as possible because the
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: one that rises above that is then the guy that
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: is probably the starter, and then the one who doesn't
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: has still been well prepared to be there when needed.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And Jeremiah Smith was obviously a hot topic as well.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: He was I was not over with the interviews that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: he was doing, but I did run over real quick
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: because I was interested in his thoughts on one catch
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: for three yards against Texas and hey, guess who's on
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the schedule in I'm going to sue Ryan Dave for
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: gimmick infringement because he talked several times about the number
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: of days. So the Texas game, it's like, hey, hey, hey,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: that's been my bit for a long time. But he
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: he talked about Jeremiah you know, he talked about Jeremiah
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Smith and the things that Jeremiah and Smith do can
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: without even having the ball. I ran over just to
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: ask someone, one of the other OSU reporters who was
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: by Jeremiah Smith. Did he get asked about the Texas game?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: And he looked at me, he goes, yeah, only about
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: every five minutes. So yes, So that was a storyline.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think it's easy to look at
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the one catch for three yards thing and go, well,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll see. I'm sure Ohius did has a
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: plan to make that not the case the next time
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: they play. But Ryan Day's point was, even if it does,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: he's still impacting the game without the ball in his hands.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're creating opportunities for his teammates. And I think
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: we talked this morning. Tight End's got seven passes in
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: that game and Cornel Tate caught five or so, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: the Ohio States tight ends this year are pretty darn good.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: So if you want to leave them alone, that's fine.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: But also he said, wier State has to figure out
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: ways to get Jeremiah Smith the ball still in those situations,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: that's where they have to be creative in what they do,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: whether that's motion you get it, get it to them
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: like they did against Oregon, you know, coming across the
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: field on that first touchdown, finding ways that you're not
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: just subjecting him to a simple two man defense type
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: of thing. So I think they're all I think they're
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: all very challenged to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: And I wasn't with Jeremiah at all. I'm guessing the
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: one for three is probably like something that is in
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: his mind, and he may have a tattooed somewhere. It's
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: where like this is something that I will never forget,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I will never happen again. And let's see what happens
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: in the how Many Days.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Top At the beginning of the show, the Jeremy Smith
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: is it feels like he's been in Ohio State forever
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: at this point, right, I mean like I was looking
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: at Sunny Styles and going, this could be her last year?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: How is that possible? And you know, Sonny Styles, the
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: three guys who were here for Ohio State, Caleb Downs,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith, Sunny Styles, Ryan Day told a very funny
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: story about those three guys trying to check into the hotel.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then none of them were allowed to because
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: they were all under twenty one. So Ryan days like
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I'll check, I'll check each one of them, and like
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: a good pops would do, and so yeah, that's excuse
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: you an idea that they are all veterans. Jeremiah Smith,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the nineteen year old grizzled b Yeah, yeah, any other
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: two twenty year olds needing somebody to uh, it's a
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: good thing they didn't have to like rent a car.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they're going to be on their
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: second NFL contract before they can rent a car. But
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you know, Jeremiah Smith is nineteen and typically, like I was,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Dylan Rola was here for Nebraska on Tuesday, and I'm
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: looking at Dylan Roola and going, yeah, he had it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: He played as a true reshman and he didn't have
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: any I think with thirteen touchdowns, eleven interceptions something like that.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: But the fact that you played as a true freshman
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: is like, Wow, that really bodes well for your long
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: term in the future, because boy, think about what a
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: leap you take typically between your freshman year and your
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: sophomore year, Tony, what does a Jeremiah Smith leap from
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: freshman year to sophomore year look like? Like? What did
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Ryan day say about.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: That, well again, he said, you know, he's he's bigger,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: and he's faster, he stronger, has a better understanding of
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the offense. But what, there's only so much that you
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: can do.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: When you've because of earths Cielo Sun.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Because yes, And I'll have a story for you after
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: that after the show, because I would. It was something
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I'm writing. But the idea that thirteen hundred yards and
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: seventy some catches as a true freshman. The numbers may
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: not show necessarily what that next step is for him,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: because you can only go so high with the numbers.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: But it's everything else that's maturity, it's his leadership, it's
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: the christness of his browts. He's talking about like his
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: routes are better, like everything is better. So it's going
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: to be exciting again. But he left one tall building.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: It's once you leave one tall building, like what are
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: you gonna do? Like that's a skycaper, so is that one?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: But I mean it was pretty the first one was
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: impressive enough. I don't know that you could do better.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Well, and I have used this comparison on the show before,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: but I think back to Mike Trout when Mike Trout
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: came up to Angels outfielder who came up and in
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: his first full season, was immediately like, oh, this might
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: be one of the best players in baseball. And it
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, what could he possibly do for a
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: non core And then he went, well, I'm not hitting
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: high fastball as well. And then he just spent the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: whole winter working on hitting how high fast balls. And
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: then it was oh, well, now he can hit high fastballs.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Now he's better, and he's like, wow, how could he
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: possibly get better? I'm like, well, I want to get
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: better on defense. And I spent his whole offseason working
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: on his defense, and I was like, oh, now he's
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: better on defense too. And there's there's a certain amount
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: of work ethic that goes into It's not just this
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: is not just all God given. This is also incredible
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: work ethic, incredible discipline, incredible focus, which is definitely, you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: it definitely seems like that's present there in space.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: He also said he's seeing things faster. I noticed that
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: talked about last year how things eventually slowed down for
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: him and sped up for everybody else. I thought like,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: in relation to like the closer you get to a
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: black hole, time splows down. Yeah, you know, everything's relative,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: and he's part of that theory of relativity as all.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Right. So here, I mean, here's what if we want
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: something to worry about. Here you go. It's just me
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and Tim says, you worried Jeremiah will get too big
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: like David Boston. Well college football drug.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Tests, so and David Boston was he was out there
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: at like two hundred and sixty pounds as like a
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: five to fifth year NFL guy, third third, fourth year
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: NFL guy Ohio State. He was six three twenty as
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: a flashman. He was listening to two of five, right.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah he did. He did not get too big until
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: well into his NFL career. And no, you know, we
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: just saw jeremih Smith. He is a big kid, very
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: solidly built, but he's you know, he's not in danger
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: of you know, tipping over or anything like that. So no,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's probably not a big concern.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I was not around for everything, and I don't think
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I heard conversation with the offensive line. Was there any
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: kind of clarity in terms of where things stand in
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the offensive line, what they're thinking about with.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: That good leadership, good good voices. Everybody is stepping up,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: he said Ethan one on what had a Mick told
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: him Arrow pointing up Austin Syrabel, of course, had a
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: fantastic summer, and they he's a leader in the room,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Carson Hinsman, a leader in the room. He's even said
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Luke Montgomery. And so you've got Tagrison Ball who played
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: last year. I think they have to feel really good
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: a veteran off to line. I'll ask Grian Day when
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: we talked to him at camp, where you know last
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: year the illness, the camp illness set them up and
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: paid dividends all season long. This year, all of the
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: injuries last year has set them up this year to
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: pay dividends all season long. So it's like, maybe maybe
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: don't do an encore, like just like, I don't know
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: how you go from here other than as I suggested
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: before the chicken pox party, where you get everybody sick
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: so that every you know, Austin Seerveld came out of
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: nowhere oh last year as a red shirt freshman, and
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: now I'm guessing he would have done that without the illness,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: just because of his makeup, but he was forced into
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: action and camp playing double time, like he played one
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: step to go, go again to go, and he benefited
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: from it. And so I don't know, I don't know
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: what the next step is for that offensive line in
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: terms of the next crazy thing that they do, but
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: they're comfortable with these veteran guys. And he even said
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: he even said Ian Moore's name as well.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Ian Moore is someone who's probably not
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: starting this year, but just the progress he made is
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a true freshman last year to kind of climb that
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: depth chart feels like that's that's a good indicator in
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: terms of where his long term likelihood of starting at
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Ohio State. Ran Day was asked about me change in
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the run scheme and you know, why did that happen
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: so late in the season where they kind of went
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: to more of a gap scheme in the playoff, And
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: he said a lot of that was just you had
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the injury to Josh Simmons in the Oregon game and boom,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: your left tackles out for the season, and then they're
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: kind of figuring out, Okay, how are you going to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: handle that? And then Donovan Jackson moves over left tackling. Okay, okay,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: now you got that they've got that stabilized little bitter
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and then Seth McLaughlin goes down and you say, you've
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: lost your future first round and left tackle, and you've
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: lost your Brimington Award winning center. And then they're playing
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: three guys out of position because Donovan Jack it is
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: no longer where he was. Plus you've got the two
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: guys who are filling in from the guys who were injured.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: And he's just said it just took a while to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: figure out what they were going to do, and then
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: once they figured it out, then they were able to
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: kind of go with that. So we'll see how much
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that kind of continues in terms of being their preferred
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: run run game approach this year. He was also asked
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: at one point, you know, hey, you get a new
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, is that going to be a you know,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: is that going to bring a new offensive philosophy? And
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: it was kind of like, no, it was. He didn't say,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: it's still the Ryan Day offense, but you know, I
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: think everyone around kind of went, yeah, that's probably still
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: gonna be the Ryan Day offense.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: He mentioned some of the numbering stuff that Brian Harline
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: has changed, but everything is going to be as you
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: as you remember. He was also asked about the running
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: backs and he's like said, I think they're going to
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: be good, but you never you don't know because you
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: don't tackle and practice. And he said, Bo Jackson may
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: start out a little slow early on, but he's going
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: to be in the mix. Yeah, later on in the
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: season as he gets some experience.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Uh, Dorry and Hillo Dorry. He wants to know where
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: is Kevin newon Kevin Noon? Is he is off working
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: with He has a bunch of video he needs to
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: edit and all that kind of stuff. So yes, yes,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: we read the live chat. We're just we don't we're
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: not getting through all the questions yet, but yeah, Kevin is.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Don't worry. Kevin's here. Kevin is just working and he'll
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: have a he will have a big knee kickoff show
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: that I know he's recording at some point, I think
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: tonight or tomorrow morning. She'll have that, uh that coming
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: up as well. So yes, no, no, no problem, Kevin's around.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit on the defensive side
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: of the ball. And one of the one of the
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: things that's great about these events is we've been at
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: these long enough that you can kind of understand, you know,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: everyone kind of wants to give you the answer that's
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the right answer, but you can you can kind of
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: interpret things. And one way is that one way that
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I am I find like I learned a lot of
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: information is when you get someone with kind of a
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: broad question and it's not just hey, how is play
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: or extra and then you get oh, player X is
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: great when it's just who is someone who has taken
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: a big step or assumed the leaders sproll on the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: team or whatever, and you hear the same name over
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and over and over again from lots and lots of people.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Tony I heard Kenyada Jackson's name an awful lot today.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: He mentioned him as a guy that could have been
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: here if they didn't bring the three guys that they brought.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: And that's something that that's no different than what we
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: heard at the NFL combine from the departed guys. That
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Kenyada Jackson has stepped up as a leader. I think
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: that's fantastic. And if they can keep him this year
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: and have him next year as well to you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: they need help on the defensive line, so the more
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: they have them, the better. And I didn't hear. You know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I wasn't with any of the players, but that's that
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: is a topic that I wanted to talk about with them.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Is ken YadA Jackson because he's got it's been around
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: for four years and this is his fourth year now
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: and has never quite done it, but is still like
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: he is one of those guys that is very hungry
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: and has been waiting for this moment, and so now
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: we're finally going to get to see what that looks like.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I don't like. I think I have expectations, but I
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: don't know how how high to take those expectations. He's
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: one of those guys that I'm interested to see and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: looking forward to finding out what exactly he is because
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: we've heard Larry Johnson talk about him for years. We've
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: seen him out there and get close. Yeah, in in
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: rotation rotational role. So what does he look like when
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: he's out there for forty five snaps a game and
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: key moments? Does he come up like, you know, like
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Jack Sawyer did.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's someone who for you, I mean all
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: of last year you look at his stats and there
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: felt like there was a disconnect between what you felt
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: like you were seeing on the field and what was
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: actually showing up in the stat sheet When you're at
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: that point, he doesn't take that much of another step
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to get to Hey, you're you're a step away from
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: making this play. Now you've you you have to improve
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: is one step and then you make the play. So
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: he's someone I think that's uh, definitely definitely someone who
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: you said arrow up earlier, and that's something that I
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: would I would expect him to be on that list
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Another name that Ryan Day mentioned Will Smith Junior Boy.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: That's a spot where, boyd, boy, did they need some
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: arrows up in the middle of that defensive line because
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: it feels like they feel pretty good about Edward Houston
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and Caden McDonald and then what and you know who
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: else do they have in the middle of that defensive line.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: You need a tailand Malone, You need Will Smith, you
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: need a Jason Moore. You want you know, one or
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: more of those guys to step up. Boy, If Will
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Smith has taken that next step, that would be one
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: of the biggest pieces of off season news in Ohio
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: state could get in terms of a position of need.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: And I believe he was asked again about the portal
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: and defensive tackles, and he said what what they ultimately
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: decided was that the guys that were in there were
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: no better than what they had. Yeah, based on their evaluation,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: and it would be good for them if their evaluation
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: of Will Smith Junior comes to fruition this season.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you don't need you don't need him to
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: be endomic and su You need him to be similar
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: to the guys ahead of him. Can he be Can
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: he be similar to Caden McDonald? Can he be similar
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: to Edward Houston? You don't need to be you don't
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: need to be Aaron Donald. You just you just need
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: they need someone else to be good enough to play
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: thirty snaps if they need him to play thirty steps
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: because you're gonna have an injury at some point, you're
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: gonna have Hey, this has been a long drive. This
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: guy needs a break. They just they just need some
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: depth there. It's gonna be hot in Ohios Stadium on
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: August thirtieth when Texas comes to town or thirty first,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. When Texas comes to town, you're going
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to need multiple defensive tackles. And one of the guys
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: that they were probably counting on is going to be
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: in burnt Orange in Hero Canoe. So you're gonna have
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to have someone else step up. So
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: that is potentially a very big piece of state I
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: was with Sunny Styles. He talked about the Actually you
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: asked I think you were the one who asked him.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Did you ask him about No, then it was someone
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: else asked him about.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Something, somebody very intelligent provoking.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: No. No, someone asked him about t. J Alford and
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Riley Petty John and those guys. And you know, he
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: style Sunny Styles made an impact as a true freshman,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: and you saw, you know, you've seen young guys like
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: r vel Ree kind of take a step up. It
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: sure seems like he's a big believer in TJ Alford
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: and Riley Petty John and their ability. You know, these
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: are not guys who are going to supplant him as
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: a starter or supplant r bell Reese as a starter.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: They don't even necessarily need to be backups. They feel
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: pretty good about Peyton Pierce and Garrett Stover as well.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: But man, if those guys are ready to at least
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: step up and be, you know, play a role that year,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean huge things from the twenty twenty
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: five buck Eyes, but it might be real big things
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty six Bucks.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: And you know Sunny Styles is going to want to
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: leave Ohio State and in good hands. Everybody talks about
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: wanting to do that, whether it's Lathan Ransom and Meca Buca,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: like when they're gone, they want they don't want to
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: drop off. They want to keep it going. And that's
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: a pretty good linebacker class that James Lorini has signed,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and so I'm expecting to see them somewhere. I think
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: we keep talking about them on special teams because there's
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: only so many, so many blowouts to get a true
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: freshman in. And we know how reticent Ohio State is
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: to play true freshmen if they don't need to in
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: games that are close, so they're only you can look
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: at the schedule. I don't know how many opportunities they
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: are going to be for these guys to play defense.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: They can win a spot on special teams, I think,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: and then you go from there. But I'm excited to
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: see them for nothing but good things. See nothing from
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: but good things from them in the spring, and if
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: they had a good summer, wouldn't shock me.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Sunny Styles heading off to the NFL potentially
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: after this year, which again, he should have graduated high
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: school two years ago, so this doesn't seem like that
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: could even be possible. But he is. This is his
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: third year, so he could eventually see the NFL. Is
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: he a senior? Oh he is?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: No. Oh man live reaction.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Oh I need to go lay down somewhere. Oh manh Yeah,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I have no problem renting a car. Goodness, but it's
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: it's the last year for Sunday Styles. It's also the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: last year for Lorenzo Styles, his older brother. I asked
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: him about just the opportunity to play with his brother
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: and this, you know, one last season, and just what
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: their dad, Lorenzo Styles Senior, who was at an Ohio
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: State linebacker who then went on to play in the NFL,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: just what he's talked to them about, and just you know,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I think there's just a a really strong recognition of
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: what a unique opportunity this is for them as a
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: family to have the two of them playing together. I
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: asked him for a scouting report on you know, he
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: was talking about, you know, this is a real year
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: of opportunity because you've got all these guys who are
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: going And now now you've got one of these spots,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: lots of spots open. And I said, one of those
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: guys who left was Jordan Hancock. Gave me a scouting
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: report on the guy who's taken over for him, and
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: he said, freak athlete in Lorenzo Styles. And I get
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: to tell you, I'm one of three boys. It is
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: very hard to say something nice about your brother. So
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is this is like really meaningful to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: me that that you know you're you're saying something nice
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: about your brother. That that really tells me you really,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: you really mean it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: And again I don't think I don't know if we
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: talked about it enough how important that nickel position is
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: and how affactor Jordan Hancock was with it last year.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: And if they can get something similar, then that sets
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: this defense up very very well. And if it's Lorenzo
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Styles doing it, then you know he's big, he's fast. Yeah,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I know he would love to be involved in the
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: return game. He just wants to be involved. And I
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: think he's going to be this year.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, he's gonna He's got a role. And
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: you know, when you are trying to replace someone like
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Jordan Hancock, who felt perpetually underappreciated at Ohio State. Those
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: are always the guys where it's you know, it's Jordan
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Fuller leaves and then it's like, you know, once Jordan
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Fuller's gone, everyone goes, oh, hey, he was pretty good.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: And we've been Jordan Fuller.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: We've been trying to tell you this for years. And
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: they have a couple of those guys. Ty Hamilton has gone,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Jordan Hancock's in that group. You've got a lot of
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: those guys who Lathan Ransom is probably in that group
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: to a certain degree. So yeah, that's definitely gonna be
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: an area where where they're looking looking to have have
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: people step up. Anything else from Ryan Day today that
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: we haven't touched on yet.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: No, because we we didn't get in the breakout him
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: to talk about the playoffs. And again, just so you
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: understand it, we've got forty five minutes with him. It
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: sounds like a long time. There's already people there shouting,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: like just waiting for their opportunity, and it's like it's
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: really really difficult to get all of the questions that
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: you have. Plus then then there's a couple of tangents
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: like the nil thing was was big. Yeah, big, so
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: that cause that took a big chunk of it, but
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: didn't get He talked about the playoffs on the on
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: the the the podium the first time, but like that
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: sort of thing. He was asked if he would be
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: in favor of scrapping the big championship game if they're
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: playing playing games, and it seems like that wouldn't bother
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: him because he said, is a con is the championship game,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: the conference championship game the right thing anymore in this model,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: it's a good conversation to have. I think that's interesting.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: He also mentioned Bennett Christian as the guy is stepping up.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And again that's something where if it's not hey
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: tell us about Bennett Christian, if it's who stepped up
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: and that's the first name that comes out, that's really
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: generally a pretty meaningful thing.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: He also said, at his age, Jeremiah Smith is further
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: along than anybody I've ever been around.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anyone who got asked about Jeremiah Smith today. There
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: were other coaches that got asked, there were other players
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: who got to ask and everyone was just kind of
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: there was just a lot of like shaking of heads,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: and it's like shaking of head brackets complimentary, it's it's
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: it's uh. People I think have kind of almost run
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: out of ways to say like, yeah, it's it's wild man.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Chip has discovered the uh, the life hack here. If
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: you say something nice, we will put it on the screen.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the excellent reporting as always. And then a
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: tremendous question here, is there any fear that Kevin will
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: get an NIL deal for another group? What must we
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: do to keep him? I don't know this. This feels
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: like you're setting me up to ask for super chats.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, listen, nil go. I don't
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: know what the clearing house is going to improve.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and nil Dill for Kevin.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, let's talk for a minute about
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: nil deals in the NL clearing house because Ryann was asked, hey,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: have you run into oh yeah, issues with deals not
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: getting improved because there's been all sorts of reporting about
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: some huge number of deals, percentage of deal, seventy percent
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: of deals, or not getting approved of the anal clearinghouse.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like they that has been that kind
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: of an issue for Ohio State to that degree, but
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: they have had they've run into some of that at least.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He was asked if there have been any deals
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: that have been kicked back and denied. He said, yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Somebody said how much money do you think it's cost players, Like, yeah,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not going in that, but yes, I've.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Learned my lesson from saying numbers out loud.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: But so yeah, they it's not like everything has been
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: rosy there for Ohio State and getting their their deals in.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: But we've seen I don't remember where it was reported,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: but there have been seven figure deals approved by an
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: i'll go in college football. So people want to talk
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: about market rates and things like that, that's pretty decent market.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could see that. I mean someone like
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith. Where our kids buying shoes or I mean
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: because he's got to deal with what Adidas, right, Yeah,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: he's got to deal with Adidas. Our kid's gonna buy
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: a jeremiahs and the shoe. Yeah, I bet they probably
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: will if Adidas puts together a an advertising campaigner on him.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: How many players are like that, Not that many, but
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: he's on the cover of the cover of the video game,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: so he's there are people in charge of selling stuff
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: we think that his name and image will sell stuff.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: It was wearing an NBA jam shirt today with himself
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: and a Mecca Buka.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: It was that was a great shirt.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: He should have like, And I don't know if he's
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: selling it, but if he's not, he's maybe not the
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: marketer that we thought he was.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I think that might be an homage shirt. Homage. I've
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: seen Homage do those types of shirts before, So.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to guess if he's not part of that marketing. Yeah, yeah,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: homage just that.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, if he's, if he's wearing it, I'm sure he's.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's in on the in on the deal.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if there's anything else that we
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: haven't talked about as far as Ohio State stuff. There
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: was a lot of talk around the Ohio State players
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: about about Penn State. Yeah, go ahead here.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I think one of the things he did actually talk
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: about the playoffs. He says it makes no sense not
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: to have four automatic qualifying fires. If you're into Big Ten,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: you've got eighteen teams. He also said that if you
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: go to the five plus eleven, there's no reason to
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: do the power forward non conference game. Yes, and I
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: would just go away from that. Now what's already under
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: contract is under contract. They would play those. But there's
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: no reason to play Texas anymore, or no reason to
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: play in Georgia anymore if there aren't automatic qualifiers, because
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: you're just playing in a beauty pageant that is going
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: to be decided by twelve sixteen judges on the selection committee.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: So why even give yourself that's the possibility of losing
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: a non conference game.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's a good point because if
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: you look at the history of the committee, the history
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the committee traditionally and virtually in every case, you can
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: look at looks at oh, well who has zero losses, Great,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: you're in Okay. Who has one loss You're the next
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: scrap batch in Okay? Who has two losses, Well, you're
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: the next batch in. After that, Alabama lost three games
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: last year and so they were out. And yeah they
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: lost to Alabama had a couple bad losses last year,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: but the drum beat from the South was, well, but
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: look at all the good wins they have. Well, it
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: shouldn't matter, but they were out based on the losses.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Sometimes that's right, sometimes that's wrong, But that's how you
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: know Ohio State has missed the playoff a bunch because well,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: they had a you know, they have a loss, and
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: it's a bad loss, and so what kind of wins
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: do they have doesn't matter. They have the loss. And
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: so if it's set up where losses are punished and
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: losses are the deciding factor to a pretty significant degree,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: you aren't send advised to play an easy schedule and
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: take the you know, Kurt Signetti was not a big
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: fan of people using Indiana as an example of coasting
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: on an easy schedule into the playoff. But you are,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're not disincentivized from being eleven and one
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: with no real signature wins, because if you're eleven to one, congratulations,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: you're in. So the system is set up to punish losses.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: So therefore, if you're risking losses, you're you know, the
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: benefit you get from a win if it's really truly
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: a coin toss. If the benefit you get from a
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: win is not better than the punishment you face for
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: a loss, then you're disincentivized to play good games. And
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: you know, to Ryan Aay's point, that's a bad thing
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: for college football because, as he said, I think a
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: lot of people are excited about the Ohio State Texas game,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: and you would be great if you had you know,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: you've got Ohio State Texas this year, You've got Michigan
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma this year, but you also have Penn State playing.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Florida International.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: It was yeah, one of the directional well international, notic direction,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: but one of the Florida honorariums. It's you would be better,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: You would be a better sport if you had more
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: great games. So you should be incentivizing people to do that.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: But I saw people commenting on the Ryan Day thing,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: which is like this is crazy. You won't play uh,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: you know, you're you're scared to play a tenth power
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: conference game. That's not since a well, that's people respond
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: to incentives like, well, take an economics class.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: And that was Christignetti's point as well, playing a ten
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: tenth power for He's like, we're taking the SEC approach.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: We're only playing nine, which is you know, the SEC
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: has their eight conference games and then the most will
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: play another power four conference team. And one of the
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: other things that Ryan Day was talking about is the
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: the nine conference games versus the eight conference games, because
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: he said, if if you just leave it up to
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: a committee. The teams that play eight conference games are
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: gonna have fewer losses, yeah, because they're fewer conference games.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: So if you add more one more conference game, then
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: everybody in half of the teams in your conference is
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: going to have another loss. So they're gonna look worse
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: for it. That's another reason why he's wont wants the
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: automatic qualifiers rather than just you know, he first off,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: he would like everybody to, I guess probably play the
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: same number of conference games. Tony Pettiti today said, well,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not really that important. You know, it's
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: like nothing, but I think the Big ten would like,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: yes see to play nine, just to beyond even footing
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: because again of the beauty pageant portion of this.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Well, and I want to make sure we sort of
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: explain that again so people will understand. You're playing more
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: conference games. So in each of those conference game, one
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: of the teams in the conference is going to take
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: a loss. That's just that's how it works. One team wins,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: one team loses. So not only do you have more
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: teams where okay, I just went from two losses to
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: three and three losses knocks me out of the playoff
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: because of the way we do things. So therefore more
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: teams are getting knocked out of the playoffs because of
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: the way we do things. But also that team that
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: has three losses, not only are they knocked out, but
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: now my win over them is not as good because
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: now it's not a win over a team that's ten
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and two or eleven and one. It's a win over
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: a team that's nine to three, and it's not a
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: top ten win now it's top twenty winner. It's they're
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: the twenty first team. So you're punished that that team
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: is punished. Every team that has beaten that team is punished.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: And it's purely based on math. It's not well, some
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: subjective measure. It's you're playing this number of games, so
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: you're going to have this many conference losses, and when
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: you are measuring things with number of losses as basically
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: your primary deciding factor, well you're not really incentivized to
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: play more games because that hurts you. So I just
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: wanted to kind of walk through that. Yeah, it's it's
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: just me. Tim says, is this the Monty Hall paradox? Yes,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: so you have to Yes, So if the SEC says
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: you play nine games, and the Big Ten says you
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: play eight games. When Monty asked if you want to trade,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: you always trade. That's that's what that marks. Yeah, that works. Yes,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: I have to I have to do this, j G.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Says Leroy Jenkins now more than ever. All right, Uh,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Steve says Tom Tony and Kevin. Back to Leroy Jenkins,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Tom Tony vines, no drama. Appreciate it. Thank you, Thank you, Steve.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Even though you said something nice about Dave, you like Dave,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Dave's not out here.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Well, he would like to be.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: He would like to be. Yes, But so I was
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: gonna ask, I was gonna say early. There's a lot
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: of questions for Ohio State players about Penn State, like
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I'll try and put together a video. Yeah, And a
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: lot of times you get the NFL Draft or NFL
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: combined where it's like wow, a lot of people are
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: asking about the Jets. It's like, no, it's just one
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: guy who writes for the Jets asking about the Jets.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: But you're also no one's going up and asking Ohio
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: State about Minnesota. Right, There's a lot of questions about
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Penn State for Ohio State because that is Penn State
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: has was picked. We talked about this in the morning show.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: The Penn State was picked to be the team that
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: wins the conference this year. Ohio State second, very closely
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: behind second, but second. That feels like, you know, last year,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Ohiouse Date Oregon was the you know, Ohio State Michigan
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: is always the game, but last year Oldhouse Date Oregon
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: felt like, oh boy, this is kind of the game
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: of the year in the Big Ten. In some ways,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: it sure feels like Penn State Oregon, Penn State, Hio State,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: those are going to be two absolutely massive games this year.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I mean kind of potentially league defining games this year.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Were the players asked more about Penn State than Michigan?
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Is this just a situation where it's like it's uncomfortable
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: to talk about Well, did you know you're not going
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: to get great answers?
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Well, State, Penn State's here tomorrow. So I think there
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: probably were more Pen State. I don't know that I saw.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: So this is Penn State writers, Yeah, it was Penn
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: State writers. I got it at least in many case.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: At least in many cases, but I just thought that
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: was kind of interesting. There there was a reporter, a
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: national reporter who asked Ryan Day, what do you need
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: to beat Michigan and great news. Ryan Day knew the.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Answer, yes, score more points.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: That was a direct quote period, close quote, next question,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: next question.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: He didn't say next question.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: No, he said that, and there was kind of this
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: pause and then it was like, oh, well and we're
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: moving on, so great news. He has the answer. Yet
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: he knew it right away. He didn't have to think
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: about it at all, so that was that was good.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: We also got a chance to talk to one of
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: my favorite interviews every single year, Bill Corolo, the Big
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Tens director of Officiating. He is one of my favorite
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: interviews every year because there's always sort of a sense
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: of people that outside of certain individuals. Churtz Signetty does
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: not fall in this bucket, Brett Bieliman does not fall
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: in this bucket. But there's generally a sense that people
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: are trying not to make too many waves, not to
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: say anything that's too you know, sometimes you're trying not
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: to say anything at all.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: There's questions you don't.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Want to answer. Bill Corolla, just answer your question. You
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: get a very straight answer. He will a lot of
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: He will give you all sorts of details. I love
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: talking to Bill Corollo every year, I have the whole thing.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: You'll get a warning show with a bunch of these
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: answers later. But you know, he talked about one of
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the big rules changes this year being the rule about
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: players going down and faking injuries. That's a role to watch,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: a rule change to watch.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: It's not really a big ten problem. It's he didn't
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: want to say, it's more of an SEC thing, but
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: it's more of an SEC thing.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say which which league it is,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: but it's the one that has all miss it and
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Ole Miss does this constantly. Yes, Tennessee not great with
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: it either, But yeah, that's one of the big rule
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: changes this year. What other big takeaways do you have
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: from our time with Well?
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite and least favorite things is you've
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: got a question and he will go for a couple
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: of minutes on it, and so he's there for thirty
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: or forty five minutes, but he may only answer like
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: ten questions because he's really thorough. But in talking to
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: him about the accountability of and the transparency, I asked
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: him how often there Well, I said, when it comes
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: to accountability, not that accountability is only being fired but
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: how many guys did you like not bring back this year?
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: What's what's an average number? And then he didn't and
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: you know that sort of thing, and he didn't tell
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: me how many guys they didn't bring back. But he's like,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: generally it's like two a year, and overall there's like
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: seven percent change overall, be it somebody going to the NFL,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: somebody not being asked to be back. You know, you've
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: got some retirements and things like that, are somebody moving
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: into the front office of the Big ten officials, So
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: about seven percent change over every year. But yay. Like
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: he he is like he is the father, godfather, grandfather
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: of the Big ten officials, and he's like watching over
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: all of his children hoping that they do very well.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: And that's why why I ask him when there's a
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: targeting called, do you get like, you know, you just
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: get a little bit nervous because you know, this is
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: a a tough call and it's it's gonna look one
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: way live and it's gonna look a totally different way
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: on tape. He's like, yeah, you get a little bit
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: of a Yeah, you just hope, you hope that the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: rest they got it right. But they've got replay to fix,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: to fix everything time.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: And I know that everyone thinks that their league's officials
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: are the worst. He was asked about the number of
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: he was asked about holding calls in the Big Ten, like,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: you know, no one knows what targeting is, No one
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: knows what holding is. That you could call holding on
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: every play. You can holding on no plays. And he
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: said that the Big Ten on average is throwing. They
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: throw like thirteen flags a game on average. It's more
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: like fourteen in other conferences, so they are throwing fewer.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: And he said that's a little bit at the behest
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: of the coaches who don't want the game to be
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: completely taken over by by penalties. But he said, you know,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: they work a lot with officials on what is holding
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: and what isn't Because yes, you could call holding on
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: any play, but he said, a lot of times it's
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: a difference between did you grab and have a little
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: bit of jersey separation or did you grab and having
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: little jersey separation where it cost someone a step, Because
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: if it cost someone a step, that's a holding call.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: You can have jersey separation, you know, where there's a
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: little bit of a pull and tug and you're not
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: going to call anything that sort of where the line
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: is there. I thought that was an interesting distinction.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: And that's the other great thing about Bill Corilla is
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: like you just jersey separation, pull and tug and like
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: all of these. He gives you all of the referee
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: terms that he talks about that that they're looking for.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: So he gets in there, he gets fired up about it. Yeah,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: it's one of the things like and we even came
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: in this year, we're like, what do we even there's
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: no big change, what are we going to talk about?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: And it's like boom, right away we get into it
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: and like he starts about questions. He just gets into
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: it and then you're like, well what about this? He's like, oh, yeah, this,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting. Should should have asked about
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: the lack of holding calls against the Ohio States defensive
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: lineman last year.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good I didn't think about that one. Yeah,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: what what's the stat They ended up getting one in
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: the Cotton Ble, right, So, but that was the first
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: one against a player holding an ohiost the defensive line.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: I think it was Tyler Williams and the Cotton Bowl.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: But it hadn't happened before that for multiple years.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: I think, well, was it that there was maybe one
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: in the non conference game, but like in a Big
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: ten game or powerfight. I forget that because you know,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: so much happened, but it been a while.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One other change that you're going to notice this year.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: There is no more the call stands. The call is confirmed,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: either the call is upheld or the call is overturned.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: That's it. And he said, basically, it doesn't matter. There
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: was a lot of there was always a lot of
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: consternation and well, the ball hit the ground. How could
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: you just say the call stands. Obviously the call should
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: have been upheld. It doesn't matter. The call doesn't change.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: And he said, basically, from their end, it's what is
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: the result of the play. Is the call changing or not? No, okay,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: then we don't need to spend an extra fifteen or
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: twenty seconds figuring out whether it's upheld or stands. It's
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: just the call is changing. The call is not changing.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: We're moving on with life. So that's another change that
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: you're going to see. There were a couple sort of
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: positional and alignment kind of rules to do with to
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: do with in the kicking game, and you can't have
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: people lined up in certain spots. There was a rule
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: that it was sort of inspired. Everyone think it was
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: that the Notre Dame Northern Illinois game. There's a Notre
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Dame game where there was a weird kicking alignment thing
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: and you have to have five guys with jersey numbers
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: in the fifties and sixties and the seventies on the field.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: At the same time, I.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Did ask him about the Oregon twelk twelve men and yeah,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: he said they it was. It was a loophole, and
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: so they didn't it was against the spirit of the game.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: So right away the Big ten went to the NCAA
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: is like, we need to change this. DNCA is like, yeah, okay,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: let's change it. And it was fixed within a couple
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: of days.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: And he mentioned another rule. I think you asked him
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: about another that is this the first time you remember
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: that happening, And you talked about a kickoff rule that
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: where someone had kicked the ball out of bounds three
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: times and with the old kickoff rule, you ran a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: bunch of time off the clock, and so there was
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: this loophole and you could intentionally do it and I
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: was racking my brand. I'm like, why this sounds so familiar?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Where was this? And I was over with Brett Bielima,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: and he brought it up in like a completely different
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: context and he's like, you know, there's I think it
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: might have been in the context like nil rules for something.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: He's like, listen, if there's a loophole, people are going
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: to use it. And when I was when I when
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I was a new head coach, there was this kickoff
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: role and I'm like, oh.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask that was that two thousand
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: and six? Then when the clock started on the kickoffs?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Because right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so he talked about
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: the fact that it was against Penn State and they
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: they you know, they were trying to run out the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: last fifteen seconds half or whatever it was, and he said,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: so we just kicked them all out of bounds three times,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: and Joe Paternal lost his mind and it's like, okay,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: it was just this wonderful payoff to just Bill Curl
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: had mentioned that, and I was thinking, this sounds so familiar.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: What was he this? And just you know, the the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Chris uh Chris Pratt from Wreck, Yeah, the Chris Pratt
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: gift where he's just like, oh, like it all came together.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: That was that was me listening to Brett Bielima complete
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  Speaker 1: the complete the circle there was.
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  Speaker 2: That story was also good the morning session after new
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Session where you talked about when he was this first
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: year as a head coach in the Big Ten. Jim
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Jim Dressel and Lloyd Carr both pulled him aside, so hey,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: you're you need to you're gonna be representing young men.
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  Speaker 2: You need to build and lead young men. It's like
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: those meetings are so great. You know what the I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: was such a young coach and get into these meetings
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: with all of these coaches and you get Joe Paterno
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: yelling at Jim Delay. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's He's always great. He's fun. Kurt Signetti was fun.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: It was so funny listening to Kurt Signetti today because
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: this time last year you came, you came to the
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Big Ten media days and it was kind of like, well,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Indiana is going to finish sixteenth out of eighteen. There's
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: not you know, I mean we knew Kurtzignetti had done
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: a good job at James Madison. You know, it's Indiana
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: so it's gonna be whatever. And I remember listening to
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: him talk last year it.
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  Speaker 2: Was like.
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  Speaker 1: This guy knows something like and it was like, you know,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: this guy knows something at Indiana's like, well, crap, maybe
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: they're gonna win seven games, like maybe they maybe they'll
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: win the pin stripe ball. That'd be incredible, and then
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: they make the college Football Playoff. And this year you're
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: listening to Kurt Signetty talk and it's like, well, yeah,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, you're I've googled you. He talked, He
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: talked about, you know, Indian has been playing football for
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty six seasons. That was the best one.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: And you know, what do you do for an encore?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: And it's just kind of like, yeah, I don't you know,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: you don't assume there's a step back, because it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I just watched this guy work a miracle.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: This guy the loaves and the fishes, this guy produced
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  Speaker 1: last season, Like are you betting against him this year?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's a slap in the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: face of the copper Ball and Anthony Thompson frankly, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I would be interested to go back and listen there,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: or watch last year's show from here to see what
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: we were saying about Kurt Signetic, because it felt like
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: this guy believes it, so like, yeah, I believe it, right,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: this is how cults start.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: It's not dissimilar, but yeah, he I remember last year
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  Speaker 1: thinking like it just I felt like I mentally adjusted
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: my Indian a win projection up by about like a
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: win and just listening to him talking, it was, I mean, like, wow,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: maybe he'll work a miracle and win seven games, and like, no,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: they'll win eleven games. And what were the odds. I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: think they got picked sixteenth or seventeenth or something like
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: that in the Big Ten last year. So yeah, it
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: was quite a quite quite a remarkable turnaround for them.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Let's hit a couple of questions real quick, will We'll
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: hit a couple of quickies here, Troy VI says, if
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: the SEC ghost to nine conference games, we'll never hear
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: of poor poor ol mercer Ever again, poor one out
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  Speaker 1: for the But.
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  Speaker 2: There's still room for mercer O higher States playing Youngstown States,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Like there's there's still room.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, poor poor one out for the poor Citadel who
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: that's play your tin horn. To learn more, google Citadel
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Nick Saban and Tin Horn not on a work computer.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Let's see run quick through this, real quick. Ferguson says,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: if James, Franklin and Durrell are in the game, I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: feel good about Ohio State's chances. I mean, you can't
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  Speaker 1: do it until you can do it. Yeah, every first
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: time head coach has not been able to do it
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  Speaker 1: until he's been able to do it. And the first
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: time head coaches who have been able to do it
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: haven't always been able to do it again. I mean
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  Speaker 1: Larry Coker was a first year head coach I think
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: who won the National Championship never won it again. Ryan
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Day couldn't win the Big One air quotes, couldn't win
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  Speaker 1: the Big One until he could, and then he won
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: the Big One four times in a row, win the
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  Speaker 1: National Championship. So that's you know, I don't know that
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: there is Jim How long was Jim Harbaugh at Michigan
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  Speaker 1: before Jim Harball started winning the Big One? And you know,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: you can mentally append whatever you want to do that, but.
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  Speaker 2: You know the Drew Ally thing, you know, he completed
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: sixty six point five percent of his masses last year,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: but in the postseason, fifty one point three against Oregon,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: fifty nine point one against SMU, fifty two against Boise,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: fifty two against Notre Dames. So he was I'm only
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: a seventy percent completion guy before the postseason, and then
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: they're playing their best teams and he was twelve of
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: twenty against Ohio State. Yes, generally quarterback is going to
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: have their worst numbers against the best teams. But one
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty seven yards passing, one hundred and seventy
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: one yards passing one hundred and thirty five yards passing
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  Speaker 2: in their last three games. If he is the best
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: quarterback in a Big ten, I'd like to see more
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  Speaker 2: from him. And if he's eight, yeah, that's of course.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: You know JJ McCarthy. There's a probably JJ McCarthy's yardage
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: totals and you've done that Penn State running game. And
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: if Tyler Warren is taking direct snaps as well and
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: both bula is taking dregt snaps not in the playoffs, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: there's only so many yards to go around, especially in
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: the gimmicky offense that they do where they run the
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: ball the way they do. I still I want to
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: be wild by him, and I've never been.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think there's also everything everything good is
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: because of the quarterback, everything bad is because of the quarterback.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Quarterback has to have someone throw to. Penn State wide
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: receivers had zero receptions in the Orange Bowl against Notre Dame.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: That's not entirely a Drew Aller problem. We'll see how
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Penn State has basically did a line change at wide
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: receiver this year. We'll see how that translates. And you know,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: you would assume he will be better this year. This
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: is his third year as a starter for Penn State.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: So that's something that you know if it's going to happen,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: it's going to happen. Now you don't. It isn't generally like, oh,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: you take your big step, biggest step in your fourth year.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see who he has to work with
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: and all that.
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  Speaker 2: I also wonder how much of my opinion of him
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: is still clouded by the twenty twenty three Ohio State
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: game where he's eighteen to forty two.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's the Ohio State fans have not seen
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: him have incredible games. You know, that's that's certainly true,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: but that's true of everyone for Penn State and Penn State.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: Penn State has found a way to not win the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Ohio State game.
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  Speaker 2: That true.
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  Speaker 1: Zach Mills, Well, that's that's true.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: That although I don't remember what his numbers were.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Zach Mills is also old enough to rent a car
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: and has been for quite a while. Uh gonna, let's
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: see a lot of people mourning the passing of Ozzy Osbourne.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: In the comments, Signy Yug says Thomas bragging because he thinks,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: like Bi Lama, is that really bragg Listen? I know,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: I know he's not everyone's favorite. He is great. He
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: is fantastic at these events and is it's not just funny,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: it's also thoughtful answers that he and he'll talk about stuff.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: He just kind of doesn't give a crap. He got
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: up in front of the Big ten Network live broadcast
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: today and talked about being out in Vegas and how
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: he met his wife here and then kind of said,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: lo it in and tell him more of that story.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: And it was just it was just kind of like, Wow,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: that was a thing you said out loud in front
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: of a live TV audience. And yeah, Mike Ferguson says,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: being able to talking about his wife in Vegas was something. Yeah,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: and you know, she was here and she said that
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: there and listened to his press conference and all that
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. He's just he's just he's he's a
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: funny guy, but he's also you know, he's also a
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: very thoughtful, yeah person, and I love him. He talked
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: about the fact that he was on the college football
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: rules committee, like he's been on that committee. He talked
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: about the fact that he and Kirby Smart. He said,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: I had a great conversation with Kirby Smart.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: I know not everyone has great conversation with Kiry, but
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: he had a great conversation with Kirby Smart Georgia head
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: coach obviously, So you know, he just kind of will
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: say stuff and it's it's just kind of like, wow,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: you really feel like I.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Don't really getting the unvarnished truth here.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he's like I'll always say, like, he's just
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: refreshing because he just talks and sometimes he says stuff
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: he shouldn't and then and that's even more fun. Tom Uh.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: You know, with the I of Osbourne thing, should we
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: set up a number for super chat of like how
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: many I don't know bats Mice Well, Kevin Bite the
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: head off of for like two hundred dollars.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, is enough? I think it's a lot. I mean,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: how many dollars you do one? I think I think too.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: I mean everything progresses. That was one way back then.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: Nowadays just be able.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: To do three. I think this is an unrelated Uh.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: I think this is an unrelated one. But we're going
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: to pretend it's not. Noon doesn't give a grab, So
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: there you go. He'll do as many as you want.
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  Speaker 3: You go.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: JG says, So let's hit a couple more. Murphy wants
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: to know. Are there three Big ten players for every team?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: The way this works is eighteen Big ten teams spread
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: over three days six six and six Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: one head coach, three players for each team, and you'll
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: get You'll get the head coach for fifteen minutes on
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: the podium in the front of a you know, during
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: during livestream for Big ten Network, and then you get
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: the head coaches for forty five minutes in the breakout
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: session in the afternoon. You get the players for thirty
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: minutes each during breakout sessions in the afternoon, so you
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: can talk to lots of different guys. If you're if
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: you're not. I mean we on Ohio State Day, we're
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: generally parked at Ohio State guys and listening to their
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: whole thing. But tomorrow or Wednesday, Thursday, bounce around talk
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: a bunch of different people. I'm very I'm always interested
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: to talk to James Franklin because he's a lot like
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Brett Bielama, where I know there's a lot of people
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: who don't like him, and I know there's lots of
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: people have thoughts on his coaching and all that kind
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: of stuff. He's always you always learn something from James Franklin,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm very thankful, Yeah, very very interested to talk
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: to him.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: And and today I saw there are some players just
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: basically with their phones out waiting for somebody to talk
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: to them as they sat there for thirty minutes. And yeah, sorry,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Maryland didn't come to see you know, Maryland reporters didn't
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: come to talk to you or whatever.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, well, And that's that was another interesting thing.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Why is the Big Ten Champions Why is the Big
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Ten Media Day in Las Vegas? This year? Because I
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: was under the impression all along that this was like, oh,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: we're going to do something for.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: The what Nope, Yeah, it was logistical issues in Indianapolis.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: They couldn't do it. So so let's go to Vegas.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: And it's basically like in Vegas is just easier. Hey,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I didn't have to get off
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: of one plane onto another to get to Vegas and
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: that's yeah, straight shot. Four hours to Vegas, three hours
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: to Indianapolis. Would you rather have gone here or driven
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: to Chicago? Because that's.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Can I choose Indianapolis or nothing? It's the David David Letterman,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: the David Letterman conundrum. Humasira wants clarity on what the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Monty Hall paradox is. The short version of that is
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: that in the game show, what was the what Manty Hall?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: To make a deal? Make a deal?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Right, Yes, let's make a deal.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Let's make a deal.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: He shows their three doors and you have to pick
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: two of them have nothing behind them or you know,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: a goat behind them, and one of them has whatever,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: a new car or a bag of money or whatever
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: it is, and you pick a door. I picked door
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: number two, and then Monty goes, Okay, I'm going to
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: show you what's behind door number one, and you open
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: door number one and there's a goat behind there, so
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: now you know the money is not behind door number one,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: so it's either behind two or three. And then hmnty says,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: would you like to change your answer to number three?
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: And there is a very long answer as to why
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: this is true, but by changing you increase your odds
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: of getting it correctly to get it getting the answer correct.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: And this is a very hot topic on extremely dorky
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: corners of the internet. And I don't remember how this
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: came up during a show at some point last year,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: but it'll pop up in our comments every time, and
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: then I feel like we have to kind of explain it.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: If you google Marilyn Vus Savant, who was the woman
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: with the highest IQ in the world. She used to
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: write for Parade magazine in like the eighties and nine,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: and newspaper is a paper.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: One story at the time.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, if you google Marilyn Vuss Vos Savant. She
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: wrote a column explaining this, and then there were lots
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: of people who got angry and since she was wrong,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: and then this is like a thing that college math
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: classes will take on every once in a while, And
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: the answer is, yes, it does. It's a long story,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: but yes, that's the Monty Hall paradox, but only slightly,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: only slightly. JG says that why hasn't the hammer fallen
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: on the University of Michigan. Have we been sold a
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: bill of good?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Well, that's certainly one question. The answer is, nothing has
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: happened to them, nothing good, nothing bad. The Committee and
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Infractions has not issued its final punishment yet. That's coming
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: in the next month or so. It's expected before the season.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: It is sixty to ninety days after the last Committee
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: on Infractions hearing, which happened on June sixth and seventh,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: level days ago. Yeah, give or take, so it's gonna
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: it is expected to come out before the season, but
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: it hasn't come out yet. Would it be fascinating for
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: that to come out on Thursday morning while we are
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: out here and waiting to talk.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, would that would that be the kind of
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: revenge for putting the letter out this week where it's like, okay,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: two can play at this game. Yeah, yeah, go ahead
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: and not necessarily drop the hammer, but drop the.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Drop the report right now? Yeah, right, And the letter
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: was we've talked about this on previous shows. Well they
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: had on it very briefly, but there was a leak
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: to Dan Wetzel of ESPN pretty clearly from the Michigan
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: side of things, that Tony Petiti, Big Tan Commissioner had
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: written a letter to the Committee on Infractions, basically saying like,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: please don't punish them anymore. They've done. Haven't they suffered enough?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Is kind of the short version of the children.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Won't somebody please think of the children? And so that
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: letter was written to the Committee on Infractions and in
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: time for their hearing in early June, and then lo
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: and behold it leaked due to end Wetzel of the
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: ESPN the day before Big ten media days, when Tony
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Peiti was going to be standing up in front of
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: God and the nation and from Big ten network and
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: answering questions. So what fascinating timing that was. So yes,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: if you were you know, if you were trying to
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: shape the narrative of hey, hasn't Michigan suffered enough, that's
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: what you would do. So that's that's the the letter
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: that Tony was referencing. Thank you to JG twenty dollars
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: super chat, appreciate it. I can only assume that this
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: is for the Kevin noon Bat Consumption Fund, So thank you.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: We will let your your country. Yeah, your contribution is noted.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: And Kevin good news. You need to eat one tenth
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  Speaker 1: of a bat now.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: So that's uh, that's find the bat with the smallest head.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Uh and we have one from Troy Bilma belongs to
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  Speaker 1: the Big ten. He's a stereotypical Midwestern He he talked about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he went to Iowa and uh so he
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  Speaker 1: and then was the coach at Wisconsin obviously, and then
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: went to Arkansas and it just didn't work. And he
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: talked about the fact that he kept looking at his
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: schedule and is like, Okay, we have to play Alabama
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  Speaker 1: every year, and we have to play Auburn every year.
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  Speaker 1: We have to play Texas A and M every year,
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  Speaker 1: we have to play LSU every year, and then you
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  Speaker 1: give me Georgia. Across divisions, He's like, I was you know,
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  Speaker 1: however long he was there, three years or four years,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: whatever it was. He goes, somehow, we never got Vanderbilt,
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  Speaker 1: we never got Kentucky.
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  Speaker 2: So and that's that's the SEC scheduling. They will reward,
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  Speaker 2: they will protect the top schools.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see, Uh, let's see Mozart's sponsor know if they
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  Speaker 1: ever found mel Tucker. He is off the radar for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Probably just does he still have his money or.
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  Speaker 1: I well, he probably has the money he was paid,
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  Speaker 1: but he doesn't. He had a big remaining contract that
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: he did not get. David says, two good guys just
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: putting in work with zero drama. I could drink a
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: beer and play Yukre with these guys. Well, Tony is
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: an Ohio native, so Tony can definitely.
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  Speaker 2: I can drink beer and play Tom can do neither
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: of those things because he's an East Coast elite.
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  Speaker 1: I have I have gotten Yukre proficient, just because I
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: figure at some point we're going to be at something
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna end up playing Ukre.
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  Speaker 2: And Kevin's got cards.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Kevin's not here. Kevin don't work here no more.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: That's not true. He does, but he has to eat
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: a bad first before it looks like.
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  Speaker 2: So you're creating to No, he does not have to
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: actually ingest the bat. He just has to bite the
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  Speaker 2: head off the bat.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Mike Ferguson says, if Shaan Mortgan's to showcrossed the morning
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  Speaker 1: of this, he stiff to show up to the interviews
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: and Signy says it will be interesting to see if
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: the penalties to Michigan causes any recruits to d commit
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: and or players to leave in droves after the season.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: I mean all that stuff. I mean, this is all
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: very speculative right now, and we have been doing our
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: very best to not get not go down that road
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: because I don't think that's particularly productive. What it means
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: long term in terms of recruiting, in terms of roster retention,
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what penalty they're going to get, and I
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: will tell you what it means in terms of all
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: that stuff. Because if you have a you know, your
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: past wins are vacated and have to vacate the national championship,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: whatever past look at, you know, backward facing stuff, you
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: want to say, that's not gonna have any impact on
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: the stuff moving forward. If you have, you know you would.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they would prefer to not have their National
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Championship trophy removed from Chambeckler Hall, but it wouldn't necessarily
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: have an impact movement forward. If it's a forward pacing
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  Speaker 1: penalty and there's some kind of a postseason ban, especially
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: a multi season postseason ban, where it's not just twenty
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: twenty five, but it's also twenty twenty six. That's when
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: you get into boy, it's going to be hard to
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: bring in players in the transfer portal next year if
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: you can't go to the postseason. You know that that
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. And everyone wants to tell me exactly
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: what the punishment's going to be, and it's like, congratulations,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: we can all make guesses. That's great. Point me to
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  Speaker 1: the exact precedent for this exact case that you're that
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: you're citing here chapter and first, because I'm you know,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: I have not yet found that one.
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  Speaker 2: And if it's a one year postseason ban for this year,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: it does not impact recruiting at all because those players
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: aren't involved. Correctly, the twenty twenty six class doesn't care.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: Almasiro wants to know what does the East Coast at
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: leads play Bridge, Bridge and Champagne. That's ah, that is
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: I don't even I don't. I can't really say guilty
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  Speaker 1: as charged?
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  Speaker 2: But do you like Bridge? Did you play that in
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: the Sunday paper too?
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: I have the Omar Sharif Bridge column. I mean, I'm
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: old enough to remember it, but yes, and you know
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's only bridge if it's from the very
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: specific portion of the bridge portion of the northeast. Otherwise
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: it's just a sparkling. No, I'm not going to put
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: that one on there. Let's see. I think we are good.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: I think we're caught up. So thank you guys all
• 1:24:51
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• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: what we've got coming up the rest of the weekcause
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Ohio State is done, but we have two more days here.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be a ton to talk about. Wednesday is
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: six more teams, including Oregon and Penn State. So guessing
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: those are two teams at Ohio State fans are gonna
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: be interested to hear from. We'll have lots. We'll have
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: all day coverage coming up Wednesday. We'll have all day
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: coverage coming up Thursday. That is Michigan Day here and
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: USC Day, and I guess there's gonna be some interesting
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: stuff to talk about with those teams as well. We're
• 1:25:21
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• 1:25:24
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• 1:25:29
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• 1:25:33
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• 1:25:36
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• 1:25:38
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• 1:25:40
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• 1:25:45
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• 1:25:48
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• 1:25:52
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• 1:25:55
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• 1:25:59
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• 1:26:01
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• 1:26:33
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• 1:26:35
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• 1:26:38
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