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84 Days- Randy Bradbury & Cameron Webb · Caught on the Mike...

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  SPEAKER_00: Disclaimer, the views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Listener discretion is advised.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes music shows up in your life exactly when it's supposed to.
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  SPEAKER_00: And today's guests are living proof of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: What started as a quiet creative spark for Pennywise bassist Brandy Bradbury turned into something much bigger.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something that would become before David.
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  SPEAKER_00: With the help of Grammy-winning producer Cameron Webb, that spark grew into a full-blown, punk-driven rock project featuring Adrian Young from No Doubt, Warren Fitzgerald from The Vandals, and now Eric Smelly Stanley of No Effects on drums for the live codes.
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  SPEAKER_00: This record is raw, it's honest, it's full of fire, rebellion, and the kind of energy you only get when friends create something purely for the love of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the story of 84 days.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mic.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Caught on the Mike.
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  SPEAKER_00: What happens when you take a member of one of Punk Rock's most iconic bands and combine it with a legendary Grammy winning producer?
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  SPEAKER_00: You get one of Rock's music most interesting albums.
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  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, it's so inspired.
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  SPEAKER_00: I absolutely love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: 84 Days.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's also the name of the project of my new friends, Randy Bradbury and Cameron Webb.
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  SPEAKER_00: How the heck are you guys?
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  SPEAKER_02: Hello.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm doing great.
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  SPEAKER_02: Excited to be here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Excited to have a fan.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's jump right into it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I was telling you guys before we pressed record, find your way back home has been kind of my theme song this last week.
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  SPEAKER_00: Randy, you've been a part of one of Punk's most iconic bands for decades, but this time something different hit you, like something personal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Take me back to that moment when these songs started coming to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, what did it feel like to suddenly become, as you put it, a receiver for something bigger?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, that was just something that I had, you know, I wanted to get in and start writing, and I felt like this was during a time where I just felt like I it was missing.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like I I've I got a four-track in 1988.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been recording ever since, but there's periods of time I go through where I'm not writing music, and it doesn't seem apparent to me, but at a certain point down the road, I'm like, oh, I know what's going on, I need to start writing again.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to uh go in and just kind of write songs for myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I had to tell myself I'm not going to self-edit.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna write the first things that come to my mind because I I realized that some of my best songs that I wrote, they kind of like felt like they were just downloaded to me, you know, like 15 minutes, you have a song and you're like, I don't even know where that came from.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I had also at the same time I had seen an interview, it happened to be with Bob Dylan, but he was saying they were asking him, How'd you write all those great songs back in the day?
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to recreate that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, the I don't know feeling.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just like and I feel like it was coming to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that that's I kind of tried to stand out of the way and just try to like go with whatever was coming to me and use the first idea that I received.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cameron, when Randy sent you those demos just looking for an opinion, you immediately told them that you guys needed to make a record.
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  SPEAKER_00: What grabbed you about those songs right away?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just uh Eddie's been writing songs for Pennywise for years, and I help I have all these CDs that have Randy's songs on them that I've always listened to, but but I throw them away when they're not like based off of that band.
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  SPEAKER_02: So when he sent me these ones, he's like, I want to do a solo record.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, wow, well, you have some so these are all great solo record songs.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's let's just do this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we kind of the editing process that he didn't want to do, I did.
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  SPEAKER_02: I said, I like these ones.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think you should throw those ones away, and I think you should focus on these 11 songs.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he looked at those 11 songs and he goes, I love it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want to do those songs.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they're they're more rock, they're more mid-tempo.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh find my way back home.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just like it just reminds me of like uh a club in the 90s, just driving kind of a dark club with black everywhere, and and that's what that song is.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that I that's one of my favorite songs as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: At what point did this just stop being Randy's songs and start feeling like an actual band?
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  SPEAKER_00: When did 84 Days become its own living, breathing thing?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: When when when Cameron and I got in the studio, it was a collaboration from day one because I I had said, hey, here's my part.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here's these songs, here's my ideas.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, he's he's a w he's a whiz at producing, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what he he does.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, what's your vision for these songs?
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: So when we got in there, it was like I was handing over my best ideas to him so he could use his best ideas and we could do a whole thing.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: And and uh, you know, and we were in there just bouncing ideas off of each other at at points, uh for you know, and passing, and he would say, Hey, do a guitar part like this, and I would say, I don't know how to make that sound that you're asking me to make.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so he'd go, give me the guitar.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then so we were passing the guitar back and forth, and and uh it was really cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was a collaboration from day one.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I have a lot of respect for Randy's bass playing, he's an amazing bass player, and when you hand it over to him, he plays it like a pro.
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  SPEAKER_02: He holds those strings tight, he has all these riffs that he does, and it was just fun to like sit next to him, and then there'd be moments where I'm like, Randy, but you could do something different.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he would be like, Okay, you're different, and I would I would take it over, and then I would play the riff and do something different.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was like it was just fun, like his back and then I try to hand it back to him, he'd be like, Nope, it's yours now.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're you're doing it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was just, you know, it was just like two kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: There was no like fighting over like who gets the instrument.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like if you hand it off, then you're stuck with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like if you had an opinion, you're stuck with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's what you know, it's just a good collaboration.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think we left our egos out of it, which was really cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I can only do that because I I know Cameron, I've worked with him, and I trust him.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I thought if he has a great idea, then it's just it's not a threat to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna make art.
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  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't a competition for us at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you think a lot of that was because you guys did have such a long working relationship together through Pennywise and other projects?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that's how I became aware of what Cameron can do, but it's only because I I like I think he's I respect his ability and his ideas and trust him to that I know that he's always trying to do the best.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's he's trying to make it the the best he can in his vision and his and he's able to execute a lot of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so there wasn't those there weren't those problems of you know, right, right, right.
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  SPEAKER_02: For me, it's just it's this thing where like uh when you're in a band with with four people, you can only do certain things.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: You're you're you're in this box, and with this, it was just Randy.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: So if Randy wanted to do something out of the box and it sounded cool, who's to say it wasn't the right thing for this band?
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what that was what the charm was.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was like it was finally just letting Randy just do whatever the hell he wants to do, uh and and achieve something new.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the the collaborations like wizardry, because you guys brought in some heavy hitters to collaborate on this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Adrian Young from No Doubt, Warren from the The Vandals.
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  SPEAKER_00: How did those collaborations come together and what kind of energy did they bring to the record?
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh tons.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean both of them so much.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: What's that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Both of them had so much energy.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: They both oh, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not just one of them.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Adrian, um, I had uh I've known him since forever, uh, just from playing around in the scene in Long Beach.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but uh I had a chance uh to uh play some songs with him about, I don't know, seven years or so ago, maybe a little more than that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was a really good vibe.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love the way he plays.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so when it was time to do an album, I just reached out and uh he really he he added such a great feel and his ideas were good, and you know, it was and it was kind of the same type of thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was like uh I trusted him to do his best work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I had I had demos of me playing drums on the songs and the basic structures and things like that, and I'm like, now we need a pro we need you to do the special thing to it, you know?
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's what he brought.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then and then uh Warren is just he's a genius.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like, you know, he's like no one really plays guitar like him.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we wanted that feel uh on the record.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and so that was that was a lot of fun having him in there.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: We were kind of joking about it because I always say to Randy, when Randy wants something from someone, I say, just call the person, and Randy will like text somebody.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll be like, if you call them, they'll say yes.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: If you text them, they're gonna say maybe.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so it was like this thing, and I'm like, what about Warren?
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you've known Warren forever, and he goes, So do you.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, I dare you to call him.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I picked up the phone and I called Warren.
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  SPEAKER_02: I said, Hey Warren, would you want to play on Randy's record?
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  SPEAKER_02: And he goes, Fuck yeah, let's do this.
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  SPEAKER_02: What when do we start?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I was just like, Okay, what are you doing on Friday?
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_02: And we sent him a song and then he showed up on Friday.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: And here's the thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: He showed up to do a solo.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're like, hey, we need a shredding solo.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Warren learns the whole song, top to bottom.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: So we sit here, we sit here for six hours or eight hours.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was forever.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know why it took us so long, but we he he played the whole song top to bottom, he put a totally different riff in the song, he did a solo, he broke five strings, he uh tuned his guitar out of tune a million times, bent it, did everything that Warren does, and it was total chaos for six hours, and the studio was a mess.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: And when we walked out the door, we looked at each other and we're like, we thought that was gonna take 15 minutes, but it was it was it was eight hours of just just pure fun.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: It was awesome.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: He's a rad dude.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he ended up he he ended up playing all the rhythms on on that song on Wasting the Night.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: And uh there it there it's just was perfect for the song too.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: So that that's more of that kind of symmetry, that kind of like, you know, like what is the universe trying to get us to do, you know.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: So uh and it's fun to just believe that and go along with it.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because at least then you feel like you know you have some type of direction, although you don't know what it is.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: You just like I'm gonna do everything's gonna happen the way it's supposed to.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I I really I I like I look at life like that anyways, it's helpful.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so and I've been like a fan of both those guys since I was forever.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I used to follow Warren when he was in a band called Girk and Ruckus, and this is like 1989, 1990, and we'd show up at shows, and I had a band at that time called Spider Pie, which is a terrible cover band from high school.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: We used to cover a song called Eggs Bunk and a song called Caterpillar that Warren wrote.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember when I first met him, he goes, Yeah, there's some some guys are covering some of our songs.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: And he goes, Oh, yeah, that's me and my buddy Neil.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Oh, you're the guys.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, and it oh we had like crappy cassettes.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: We did they weren't even like releases.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: It was awesome.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: So we've been following Warren forever, me and my friends.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: What's funny is this is like this is the second story that I've heard like this in recent weeks.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: I had John Heinz on my show a couple weeks ago from the big nasty get down.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's just this massive project.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he was talking about how he had a session guitarist in the studio, and he was trying to coach him to play a solo like Vernon Reed from Living Color, and he and eventually he just picked up the phone and he's like, fuck.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, if I wanted to sound like Vernon Reed, I'm just gonna fucking call Vernon Reed, and he ended up calling Vernon Reed, and they they ended up doing this massive solo, and it turned out absolutely awesome.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: So you love when those serendipitous moments kind of come together like that for sure.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: So this album has great tension between rebellion and melody, like classic punk rock energy, but it also has a lot of heart.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: Was that intentional or did it just naturally flow out that way?
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think it's intentional because I sometimes when I'm when I'm writing lyrics, like I'm writing about a certain thing that I want to, it kind of like it's kind of personal to me.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: I want to get it off my chest or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I would never want to sacrifice melody for trying because you know, a lot of times when you write lyrics, I believe that now they're there for everyone to for everyone else to get a meaning out of it.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want everyone to think exactly like me.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: I want to put them on paper and hopefully some people get inspired by something or think something of it.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, but the most important thing, um, I think that you don't even get in the starting block unless you have melody.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: Melody is is everything.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like melody can make me feel something without lyrics, you know.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um and but if you get lucky and you're able, and but I do have things to say, and I and I do think writing is very I enjoy writing.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I enjoy it's challenging to be able to take your thoughts and get them on paper and then have people be able to con for you to be able to convey any message at all.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so yeah, combining them together, I'm like, I don't, I don't care if maybe this uh song should sound sad or or if this song should sound angry or if it should sound super happy.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna I'm gonna somehow fit them together because the melody is there, and I now I want to have something that I feel strongly about and and write about.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it was it was purposeful, um kind of purposeful neglect, actually, because I just want that good sounding melody, you know, if I can if I can attain it.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: And and I kind of look at it a different way.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like I let the responsibility of the melody and those lyrics sit on Randy, but I look at that and I go, well, how do I make the best tone with each one of those sounds and styles?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like, find your way back home.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's got this like fendered fender baseman sort of like twang riff in the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_02: And those things to me are inspiring, but if you can match them with the inspiration that Randy has with the context, all of a sudden it becomes this bigger and more broad thing.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's not just throwing a microphone on a cab and be like, just play.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's not that.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, hey, that's the wrong amp, that's the wrong guitar.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: Let's let's switch stuff up to get the correct mood that you're chasing with the lyrics and the melodies.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you did, and that that has a huge part to play in it, absolutely.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: I do, I think so too.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, do each one of you guys have your own favorite song off of the album?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: And if so, one at a time, which one is it and why?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I have a favorite song necessarily because they're all like your baby.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like you just you're creating and they're all very important.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: And some of your, you know, it's funny too, because some not all the songs end up being good, but when you're made, when you're when you're doing them, you're writing them, you're like, you're in love, and like, and then you realize later, you go like, uh, it's it's kind of an ugly baby, you know, but it's my but but that's not uh I I'm I got sidetracked, but but uh but so but I do but I do love all the songs and or else I wouldn't have written them, and I'm very happy with how they turned out.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: But I do the one that uh I just kind of has a special vibe to it for me is smiling while you drown.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like yeah, the last song.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like I don't know, something about it.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: I I like the sentiment.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: I like the sentiment that that, you know, hey, we all go through hard times.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: The work, you know, life is not easy at all, but it's super enjoyable.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like every problem is something that that you you look for the solution.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: So you overcome, you know, because every single day, every single day the alarm goes off, and you get up and you're like, oh, oh my, you know, I don't know, uh I'm a little sore.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, well, there's a solution, you can stretch, blah, blah, blah.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I love that song.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I think it it encapsulates all that.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's tough for me to like choose one.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like, since we've been playing them and rehearsing them with Smelly, it's they've they've they've morphed a little bit differently.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: So Find the Righteous is one of my favorites because it's just you're marching and you're you're punching, you're bum, bum, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: I love that feel, and like it gives you there's energy that like you feel like a kid, and you feel like other people are gonna feel that energy when it hits you.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: Other songs like Find Your Way Back Home, that's just I mean, it's a fast, like you want it to be driving, kind of aggressive, but it's it's got a different sort of style, and it's got more, it's more like a leather wearing a leather jacket or something.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then I mean, lyrically, like uh uh don't trust the government.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like it's just this obvious thing, like it's just thing you can fucking sing along to, and it'd be super fun.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like I think that'd be enjoyable when when when people are singing along to that.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: So and it there's a lot of variety in the record, and I think that's important.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good call out because you guys have been rehearsing with Smelly from No Effects, um, getting ready for some live shows.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about translating this to the live environment.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um how are you feeling about bringing 84 Days to the stage for the first time?
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: And how do you see the songs translating live?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm really excited to be able to play these songs live.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I love I love playing live.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: I've been playing ever since, I don't know, the early 80s.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh it's just there's something about there, you know, about there's something about that because what you could do nowadays, you have all kinds of things.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: You have, I don't know, you have uh, you know, in the studio, you have tricks, you've had like drum replacers and pro tools, and now you have AI.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what those things can't do necessarily is they can't they can't play live.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: AI can't play live.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: So it's real, and you're in the moment, and you're either good or you're not good.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: So it matters so much because if you want to have that, if you want to convey your how what you hear in your head, if you want to convey that, you have to focus, you have to do work, and it's just like the payoff is the play, and if people like it.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I love playing live.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, as far as like what is it gonna be like, we're I'm also we're realists, uh, or you know, I'll speak for myself.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: I I think that when you speaking again about what is this idea that you have that you want to put on a record that you want everyone else to hear, like what's going on in your head, that's what I want to go on the record.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna, I don't care if the if it's like, oh, we're never gonna get that, that uh, I don't know, that uh that that spoon player.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: He, you know, he's never we're never gonna have a spoon player on stage, we're not gonna have a trumpet over here, we're not gonna, or whatever you put in there.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm using uh silly examples, but you're never gonna make it sound like the record unless you're like, I don't know, Bruce Springsteen and you can hire 20 players.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: So that's not important.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: And playing live is about an energy, it's about an interaction with the crowd.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I want to make the record to be the vision, and I don't care if we can actually recreate that exact vision, because even if you had all those players, there's too many variables.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's so so playing live is different.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Playing live is energy.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: So we're just a three-piece live.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: We're a three-piece live.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: We got Smelly on drums, he's gonna kick ass.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: We got Cameron on bass, he's doing cool, different stuff.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, hey, I got some ideas for some stuff.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: What does this sound like?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Go for it.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: We have to go for it.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: And live is going for it, you know, and making something happen.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what we're looking for live.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of it is like when Randy and I first said, Hey, let's go practice this song.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: Let's just take Adrian's drums and put them in a PA, and we're gonna turn our amps on 10 and we're gonna play along to it.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: And it was cool and it was fun.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: And obviously, the tracks, the the drums never made mistakes and there was never pushes and pulls that we didn't think of.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: But then the first day we brought Smelly in, it was a mess.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: It was, but it was the most magical mess you can imagine.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: Because he's like, Oh, I just learned a couple songs, here you go, and we you'd play along.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: But there were these moments came where you're just like, this was a million times better than playing to the PA.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: It was just like all of a sudden there's a sloshiness, there's an extra kick or whatever the heck is going on.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: And this is where, like, I think this is where you replace your AIs and all that crap.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's about energy and it's about three people.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: And we talked about like, well, Cameron, there's a couple songs where there's like a rhythm guitar and a lead, and I go, guess what?
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna have a bass tone where maybe I'm gonna grid it up there so it's gonna fill the void of a missing rhythm guitar, and your lead is gonna shine.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not gonna be like, hey, let's get another guitar player and make noisy noises live.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, no, like we're gonna build this thing so it so it sounds like close to the record, but different than the record, but it will s it will have power and energy, and that's you can't get that.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Unless you put three people together and they make mistakes and then they do good stuff too.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like, and guess what?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's just it's just gotten better and better and more powerful and more powerful.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: And Smelly does different fills sometimes, and you're like, oh, that's great too.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: Let's keep it.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like, hey, let's chase something else that exists.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: And we're just having fun with this.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you guys bring up some good points, and maybe I'm going to take this a little bit off course for a moment, but you know, the toothpaste is the toothpaste is already out of the tube as far as AI and streaming goes, specifically.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: And something that I like talking to a lot of artists and people in the industry about is you know, there all there's almost like two trains of thought running at the same time.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: People talk about social media algorithms and such, and that the most engaging stuff is the most authentic and true to life stuff.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: But we're giving rise to these platforms that are not true to life.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: What are your guys' individual feelings about streaming and AI at large and how it's impacted the music industry?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Let me go with this for one second, Randy.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, go ahead.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: So my opinion about like, here's the thing.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Here's what's happened with music in general.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there's a lot of commercials on TV and there's a lot of movies.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: So people are like, oh, we got to get our songs in movies and in commercials.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: So all of a sudden, you go back to the Beastie Boys.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: When the Beastie Boys first did their stuff, they they said, hey, we're never gonna put our songs in commercials.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's not an option.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: And they don't.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: They still don't to this day, which I look I respect that so much because guess what?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: We're like human beings, we're doing stuff.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, people are gonna use AI for commercials and stuff like that, but who cares who's under like an Ozempic commercial or whatever?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like, do you really want to be that person that is it is the ear medicine or whatever?
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, no, you don't.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's not cool, it's not cool at all.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not always about just profiting from these things.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so your AIs and stuff, they're the business people in the world are gonna be like, well, it's cheaper to just do that than hire the three of you.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, they're gonna do it, and there's nothing we can do.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: But all we can do is say, hey, you know what?
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: We're three guys in a band and we're gonna make some music and it's gonna be noisy, and some people are gonna show up, and some people are are gonna hate us.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: That that musical director might not want us.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's like then that then we're the wrong people for that.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: But when you put people together, you get mistakes, you get interesting things, you don't get this bit-ridden junk that's like anyone else that can do.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: Because guess what?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: Music's about hard work and it's by putting effort in, it's about rehearsing and doing stuff.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's not about saying, I bet you I can write a song in 10 seconds, bam, there's a song.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: Well, what's the purpose of that song?
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's uh I mean, there's gonna be a song that becomes important one day, but it's just it's just kind of junk, I think.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I gotta stay away from it.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned streaming, so I'm assuming you're going back, you're going back to Napster, you know, right, when that first started.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that uh um in the long run, look, none of these things are necessarily good uh for your wallet.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I think it like it with streaming, that made music available to everyone.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Every band, if you could just hear the name, then people could go see if they like you or not.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that the exchange there was like, yeah, maybe you're not gonna sell as many records, but you're gonna get a bigger audience.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like a huge audience.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: I I know for painting wise, we have an insanely large field of places we can go play in the world and have people that know and love our music.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: And like that's like that's I mean, you can't even put a price tag on that.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: So that's totally worth it.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then of course with Spotify now and subscription services, the same things.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: I I want people to hear our music.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: As far as AI goes, man, I fucking hate it.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: I wish it didn't exist.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's just a bummer.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's such an insanely huge bummer on such a massive scale we can't even comprehend.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: But we're smiling while we drown on you know, on that.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: But but what are you gonna do about it?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: You can't do anything about it.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: What but what I focus on is that making music for me feels good.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: I I I play all the time, I want to do that all the time, I want to create music.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't want to get, I don't want to worry about this AI thing out there.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: There's people that I love making music.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna because you know what else AI can't do?
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: AI, AI can't receive stuff from the universe and make a song out of it.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, AI can can can scrape the web and scrape, you know, all the anything musical and put it together, but it it isn't creating, you know.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so that's kind of I don't know, that's kind of like a spark of that's divine in a it in a certain degree.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a connection there, and that makes me feel good.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't matter that all these things are out there.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna keep playing music and I love it.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: And and especially when you go perform live, because that's the thing that matters, even when you when you add up streaming and you add up AI, the thing that neither of those can do is go play live.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: So that's where everything is.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's like get out there and play in front of people, and uh so it's still it's still rewarding, you know.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh hell yes.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the reason I always ask the streaming question is because I think about it in terms of like fleshing out a full concept.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, because the thing I've noticed more so in the past eight or nine years is the way that people release albums is totally different now than when we were all younger.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, sure, we may have heard one single and it led up to the album, and then we got the full body of work, but now it seems like release strategies are trickle a single every couple of months, and you've basically heard the full album before the full album even releases.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: So moreover, kind of to add a layer to that, what are your guys' feelings about that style of release strategy?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: For for me, I think of it like this.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: If you're like a bigger, bigger artist that already has a catalog and you have records out, and you do a single here or there, I think that's cool.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: But if you're starting out and you're like, Oh, I'm gonna release a single and release one song, and then eight months later you release a second song, and then a year later you release a third, that's not an artist.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's just someone goofing around at their house.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: And that's should be set, you should keep that in your closet until you have 12 of those things so we can see that that one's good and and ten of them stink, or or maybe all ten of them are kick ass.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: Because here's the thing when if I listen to something, I'm like, oh wow, this song's kind of cool, and there's not a one to follow it.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Guess what?
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: I throw it away and I'll never listen to it again.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, but if there were five of those and half of them were crap, I'd be like, this band's rad.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: Those other songs are junk, but this one's so good.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that that's that's an important thing.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I think going to this back to the streaming, sort of the big picture of the streaming, it's a good thing because now I can access whatever band I want.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: Someone says, Hey, I'll check out Metallica or check out Foo Fighters, and I'll listen to any song.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: The downside I don't like is that back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, there used to be these filters of major labels, and they would present us 20 bands a year, and you'd get Led Zeppelin and The Who and The Doors, and there were all these crappy bands that you never heard of, and we still don't know about.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: So there was this side of things that they were giving us quality, we think.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't really know.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's it, but now what's happened is now there's just there's too much content.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: There's there's there's there's there's a hundred thousand artists to listen to, and you're like, well, which one do I listen to?
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: I want something new.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just it's kind of a headache to me.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's and then you I kind of go back to the older artists that I grew up with and go, well, I'm just gonna listen to the red hot chili peppers because it's just too much drama dealing with this stuff.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: And then when you hit a playlist, you're like, oh, well, I'll just go for the Red Hot Chili Peppers playlist, and you get all these songs you don't like from other artists, and you're like, wait a second, I just I want to go back to the things I like.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: So that's the algorithm thinking that they know what I want.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, you know, I don't want to hear Everlong 50 times in a row, or I don't want to hear uh Jeremy from Pearl Jam 50 times in a row.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: Give me one of the B sides on those records.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I personally want to hear.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: So that's where I think it's it's a little bit flawed.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know, I just I miss the hey, because because guess what?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: Now the filter is the producers.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: The producers are filtering things, but now the producers are getting paid by the artists, so we're not filtering as hard as we used to.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: So that's my two cents.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I that's a lot of good stuff there.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I think that that the thing I could touch on as far as like you know, release cycles go, I don't really know.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't know what the strategies are now, you know.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to make music, but I do I I do like the idea of listening to a whole album.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like the the thing that was great uh that I wish we could recreate is that when you know, talking about recently when you'd have CDs, you put a CD in your in your car, and that CD might just sit there for like a couple weeks.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: And by the time you've driven up to LA and back, you've heard that CD three times, and now you just love it.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: You can't wait to go for a drive so you can listen to your music.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: So uh you can do that with with streaming, which is really cool.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: But like Cameron said, there's really way too many options.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: And well, there's not too many options, but it just feels overwhelming with how many options.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I do the same thing.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'll be listening to it's funny he listens to red hot chili peppers, but I listen to Black Sabbath, you know, or rainbow.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but but but but the point is, is I go back to the the old stuff.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: But but that whole experience of like having a CD in there is like bad bad religion occupied like 10 years of my life with their CDs in my car.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, and that was one of the reasons why I love uh painting wife so much.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I mean just be the whole thing, and before that, you used to get records and you'd sit there in your room, and like you you would sit there and re try to figure out what you would see one picture and imagine to yourself how cool these people were.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like everyone in bands, like these were supermen.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: These were super people, like because you because you were using your imagination, like when you read a book, you know.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: But nowadays you can go on the on the you know, on the internet and you can see a million pictures about a guy, and then somewhere along the line, you know, there's gonna be reasons to not like the person.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: And the algorithm, you brought up the algorithm, it's gonna keep feeding you that crap.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: The algorithm is the just the cheapest low-hanging fruit trick.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's another thing, you know, like but you know, we can all we all have the option to turn off these these devices and do something real.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like, after this interview, the algorithm's gonna be so mad at us that it's gonna like take us off of everything by you talk shit about me.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm pissed off.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna put weirdo photos of you, Randy.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna or take them all off.
• 33:26
  unknown: Yeah.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know what, you know what's another interesting thing about like streaming and stuff like that.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: So I have this friend um that we go to the river and we go wakeboarding, and it's Barry Love and Leslie Love.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: And Leslie is uh, she likes different music than I do, more poppy stuff from the 80s and 90s, but she loves hits.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: She wants every single song to be a hit.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: And if it's not a hit, she skips it.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I just want to listen to Back in Black top to bottom.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: I want to listen to Pink Floyd Top to Bottom, Red Hot Chili Birds, and we get into biggest arguments because she's like, no, no, no, we gotta keep it going.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: But here's the thing.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um and my my argument is that we need ups and downs in our life because if we're always peeking up the best song, bam, bam, all of a sudden we're exhausted.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like, oh my god, I just need a freaking nap.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: But if you get the ups and downs, you get your valleys, and you get these high highs and you get low lows, but the highs mean more than everything being on 10.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: And you know where the algorithm's not gonna find us, guys?
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Where's that?
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Listening to vinyl.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's not gonna find us while we're listening to vinyl.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Can't calculate that.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: And and so that kind of leads to my next question.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Is there any chance in hell that there's gonna be an 84 days vinyl pressing?
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: There's already well, yeah, yeah.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's it's it's uh it's mainly vinyl, besides streaming.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: So so if you get it, you have to buy the vinyl.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: Is there not yes?
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think he went to go grab it.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know where Cameron went, but but I but I have I have one of I could probably get it before him.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: But uh no, you know, yeah, vinyl, just those days, just that idea of just going down and getting that record and slitting the plastic, leaving the plastic on, you know, so it it preserves it and then holding it all, you know, safely.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: Did you just go get the album?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: What'd you do?
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, there it is.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: Hell yes.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: And you know what's amazing is Jeff at Dove Double Helix is he's a super fan of vinyl.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: So he's like, well, we've got to do colored vinyl.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, which color should we do?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: And we're like, oh, how about just a blue or a green?
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, Why don't we do like several different colors?
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: So each one, they have like different like this is the like a green one.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's amazing.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: So everyone he did, it's just it's sick.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: So it's and it has a fold out and yeah, he doesn't mess around, but he did he did a full fold out as well.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's not just like that little thing, so you're like, whoa.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, I absolutely love that.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: You guys like that is my my nightly ritual.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: I swear my wife could absolutely kill me, but I have my record player and peach crates in our freaking dining room, and I will go, I will go grab a record, put it on the record player, and I will sit on the floor in front of my peach crates and listen to records, like you know, there's nothing like that.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, there's not.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: Nope.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: I love that, and I love this conversation, guys.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: So let me ask, what's next for 84 days?
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna play with shows.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, Randy.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: We have a couple yeah, no, we have we have shows lined up uh in December.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: We're we're like some of our debut shows are with the Vandals, they do uh Christmas uh shows every year, and uh and I I know I've known Dave uh the singer since high school.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: We've been buddies forever.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and he was like when the minute he found out that that me and Cameron had had a band, he's like, Oh, well, you gotta play these shows with us.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: So that's gonna be super fun.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we're lining up, we're lining up whatever we can in 2026.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: So we want to go out and try to play, you know.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: We we we also we're gonna work around our schedules, which we have plenty of time, and uh go play anywhere we possibly can that that sounds like it's fun and cool.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: And hopefully people support live music and they'll see that like we're out there having fun, and that's what we're all there for.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like we're sitting there, we rehearse like crazy, and we just we hope people see what we see in the music.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: So the million-dollar question is is there going to be a follow-up eventually?
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the whole point.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Probably like for me, like I've said all along.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the for me that I've said all along, like, I want to do good enough so that we don't have to like so we can validate ourselves to be able to do another album, because that's so much fun.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, and I already have uh I know I've been driving Cameron crazy with this, but I already had a whole I've already written an album um or more than an album's worth of songs because I wanted to keep going on the momentum after we finished that one.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I went home and I just kept writing.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so I have I have tons of songs from and I because you know what?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: Because I knew we were gonna be absolutely huge, and I didn't want that to affect my writing.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what I mean?
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: I just wanted to go with the flow, and uh so I I really, really want to record more music.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: I want to record with uh with Smelly and Cam and Cameron on bass.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so uh and you know and here's the thing, he he sent me those songs and I and I keep them in this folder and I hide them away, and I said, and and in my mind, Randy's like, well, why don't you listen to them right now?
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: I said, you know what, let's just like play some shows and and and and watch and and learn and see what the crowd likes and see what which songs work and don't work, and then we'll go into that folder and then say, hey, you know what?
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think these are better for for the next record, and and choose that way.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: And Randy's excited.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so glad that he wrote all those songs, and we're gonna get to them, but but I I know, like it's it's growing.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's something that's like it's not like, hey, here's how you make a band, you do these 10 steps.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: It just goes everywhere.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's it's like a tree that just branches, and all of a sudden Smelly's in the band, and we're playing shows with the vandals, like like it's it's just let's just keep growing and see what happens, and then when we need those extra songs, let's pull a bunch out.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: I love that analogy because that's that's truly how a band does grow.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's usually you you hear what could be on the first album and you get really excited, but you see that natural organic growth on the follow-up.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: And you can point to any band in the history of music and prove that point to a certain degree.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: And there should be diversity.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: Every record should have diversity, they should be different, they shouldn't be exactly the same.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, because then people are just gonna be well, then people are like, Well, your first record was your best.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, well, they're just different, like and you you're gonna find different audiences too.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, guys, I've really enjoyed this conversation.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: My closing question, I ask it of every guest that does my show, and it's a little bit off the wall.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: But given your experience in life and in music one at a time, what's your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today through your eyes?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: My advice would be to not believe everything you hear, it'd be to think about stuff.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: To get figure out, like, well, first of all, you have to care, you want to be a good I mean, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna go on a soapbox.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: You have to care, you have to want to be a good person, and then you have to make decisions.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't just yeah, and in order to make decisions, you've got to think about stuff.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: So these are things that my dad would tell me.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: He'd say, you gotta be proactive, you gotta use your brain.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so just those very simple things like if you want the world to be a better place, you gotta envision it, you gotta think about what do you really want, you gotta think about the counteractions of the actions you may take.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it's very complicated, and uh there it is.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: But in the meantime, we'll be smiling while we drown.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: I I think um I think what it is for me is it's not just music.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's like if you like something and you want to be good at something, do that thing and be great at that thing.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: And don't let people tell you you can't do things.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: If it's playing music, if it's playing video games, if it's sewing, I don't care what it is, but spend that time and that effort because you enjoy it and there's something about it, and it's not always about a competition about being the most successful.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, yes, we want to be great and you want to be the best band in the world and all that stuff.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like it's just us as human beings, like in embracing in what we have and and and uh and how lucky we are to do certain things, and just go for it and don't always listen to other people.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: The whole rest of the world's judging us and all this stuff.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, you know what, throw that away.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how do you feel about what you're doing?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: How do I feel about the bass I'm playing?
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, this is great, or no, this is junk.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: Let's throw it away.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like, like, just you know, believe in yourselves, is what I that's what I would suggest.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love that.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: I love that, and man, I gotta tell you guys, I am sincerely a fan of your band.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, check out 84 Days on your favorite streaming platform, but more importantly, go check out their vinyl available through Double Helix Records.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: It is a beautiful looking vinyl, gatefold cover.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: There's no reason you shouldn't own it.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: Randy, Cameron, I have really enjoyed talking to you guys.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: The world is a much better place with you guys in it.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for doing the show.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much, Mike.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: Once again, I want to thank my new friends, Randy and Cameron, for joining me on the show today.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: Make sure you are following them on Instagram at 84 DaysBand.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: Follow the record label at DoubleHelix Records.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: As you heard, the vinyl edition of the 84 Days album looks fantastic.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: You can also visit them, www.84daysband.com.
• 43:34
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• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: For all guest inquiries, shoot me an email, caught on the mic at gmail.com.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_00: This has been Caught on the Mike with Michael Clark.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Michael Clark.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: Until next time, thank you.