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Turn Adversity into Impact · A Quick Timeout

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  SPEAKER_01: It's been a few years since his last appearance on the podcast,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it's great to have back on the show Stetson men's basketball coach,
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  SPEAKER_01: Donnie Jones.
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  SPEAKER_01: Coach, welcome back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pleasure's mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Great to be with you, Tony.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for the opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_01: A special occasion brings him back the release of his new book,
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  SPEAKER_01: The Ticket, How to Turn Adversity into Opportunity and Opportunity into Impact.
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  SPEAKER_01: Coach, first,
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  SPEAKER_01: congrats,
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  SPEAKER_01: but then second, can you kind of give us the backstory on the origins of this book?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, I'm really passionate about this book, Tony.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's something that I've kind of shared this story in my coaching probably over
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  SPEAKER_00: the last, it's my 39th year in coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: So four decades, I've been fortunate to be in this and, you know, it's really, it was a story.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's something that's just kind of inspired me to just,
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  SPEAKER_00: as I feel we give tickets out a lot and this book's kind of about that and it's
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  SPEAKER_00: about You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: how many times as a coach,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's so important how one coach,
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  SPEAKER_00: like for me,
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  SPEAKER_00: can make a huge decision on where you go and the impact the coach can have.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so we started out as a young kid,
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  SPEAKER_00: as I did,
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  SPEAKER_00: and this story is based on A lot of truth to it,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it has a fable mindset in it as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think with that,
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  SPEAKER_00: I just want to share these lessons from this book,
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  SPEAKER_00: just kind of just telling the story that I think people can really relate to,
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  SPEAKER_00: not only in sport,
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  SPEAKER_00: but in life with all the different stages you And I kind of told that in this fable
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  SPEAKER_00: and this story about,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's got a basketball setting and it kind of starts with mentality like
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  SPEAKER_00: a basketball book,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it's really just using that as the setting as kind of what the different routes
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  SPEAKER_00: that we go through and how you become successful with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's about life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's about leadership and most importantly, opportunities.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the thing we really wanted to express in this story.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we talk about turning adversity and difficult times into opportunities.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you go about teaching athletes to view adversity as a tool and not just as
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  SPEAKER_01: a setback or as a roadblock?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think we all face rejection and changes we did not plan.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the most important thing is how we respond, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think with us, you know, for me, basketball has been my classroom.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot like a lot of guys probably listen to this on here right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the lessons belong to all of us, no matter what we're in.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we're teaching always the next play mentality,
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  SPEAKER_00: which sounds very simple to coaches, and players hear that all the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: But how do we do that in life as well?
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  SPEAKER_00: And we hear so many paradoxes.
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  SPEAKER_00: It parallels how sports relates to real life situations.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this story kind of ties into how do we handle that adversity.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in doing that, I think it gives you kind of a route.
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  SPEAKER_00: We talk about the route,
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  SPEAKER_00: the five things that you need to do in your route and whatever that may be,
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  SPEAKER_00: because there's a lot of different ways to get to the destination.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so your route's all going to be different.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what's not different is definitely going to be adversity is going to come
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  SPEAKER_00: and how we respond to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that is a big part of this story as we go through it.
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  SPEAKER_01: As coaches,
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  SPEAKER_01: we know so many of the games that we play in won or lost
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  SPEAKER_01: in those high pressure moments.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you help players build the emotional and also that mental resiliency
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  SPEAKER_01: that they need even before the adversity comes to be able
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  SPEAKER_01: to handle those moments well?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think we talk about those experiences, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: We talk about that's kind of the preparation of no matter how much we prepare,
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  SPEAKER_00: we still, when it becomes reality, you know, how do we respond to it?
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think about adversity as we talk about how we look at adversity and realize
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  SPEAKER_00: that adversity is part of the journey,
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  SPEAKER_00: is part of the route,
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  SPEAKER_00: and realize that we're not looking at such as a bad thing,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: because we talk about in this book,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, as we've heard before, either you win or you learn.
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  SPEAKER_00: You only lose if you stumble on how you respond to adversity.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think for us, that's what we really try to talk about is how do we prepare?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, how do we respond with that?
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  SPEAKER_00: And we give a lot of examples in coaching is how we've seen that with other former players.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're always talking about how we are resilient and how we come through that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think a lot of our preparation and And coaching as well as training is the mindset, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think the mindset is four to one, as we know, in teaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: Talent's one thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And how do we handle the setbacks and the comebacks of the constant growth that you
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  SPEAKER_00: as a player is something that we talk and illustrate and show and teach.
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  SPEAKER_00: And just like we do in any other skills that we're trying to develop
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  SPEAKER_00: for our players,
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  SPEAKER_00: we're trying to give you that same skill set emotionally, mentally, emotionally.
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  SPEAKER_00: And how you approach the game.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of whether a coach can help his players handle adversity is whether
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  SPEAKER_01: or not he can handle adversity well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've been doing this a long time,
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  SPEAKER_01: so I'm interested to hear this, especially as a young head coach.
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  SPEAKER_01: But are there any personal routines,
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  SPEAKER_01: mindset shifts,
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  SPEAKER_01: anything like that that have helped you manage stress and have the right perspective
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  SPEAKER_01: on things?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, that's so good.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think, you know, the mentality for this, obviously, is setting down.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think we use a lot of examples for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think, Tony, other people and other athletes, what they've been through.
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  SPEAKER_00: The beauty of coaching is a lot of storytelling.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what we've experienced ourself as well as bringing in other people
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  SPEAKER_00: to be examples of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think those are huge.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think in the moment,
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  SPEAKER_00: teaching,
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  SPEAKER_00: when you're in that moment,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think your emotional stability as a coach is so vital, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: A term I always learned from my mentor, Brendan Sir, Coach Sir, with Coaching You.
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  SPEAKER_00: A pleasure of being able to be with him for many years and still one
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  SPEAKER_00: of my best friends in sports.
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  SPEAKER_00: He always said, you know, you always shout praise and whisper criticism.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a great term.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think especially in adversity,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: is knowing the individual and How we coach them,
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  SPEAKER_00: knowing the importance of who they are and how they respond to stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so even though we're in adversity, we all see adversity different.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some see it as a setback.
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  SPEAKER_00: Others see it as an opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I think it's really how you're handling that as a leader.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're looking at you as the example, and it starts with you and how you respond.
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  SPEAKER_00: As a coach first, and I think that's a lot how your team's going to play.
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  SPEAKER_00: As we know, we're trying to change emotion all the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people say, hey, you're a basketball coach.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I said, yeah, that's what I love to do is coach basketball, but I love to coach people.
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  SPEAKER_00: And performance.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so performance can be a lot of different ways.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's how we perform on the floor.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's obviously how we perform in life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's important for us is how do we connect with those individuals
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  SPEAKER_00: and overall as a team concept,
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  SPEAKER_00: how we can share the message that relates to what is the next play?
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  SPEAKER_00: How do we respond to that?
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  SPEAKER_00: And the most important time, Tony is to respond to it when you're in it, all right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that's when it's going to have its real impact,
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  SPEAKER_00: even though you've prepared for it until you get hit, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Now it's the real response when it becomes very difficult.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do want to ask you about the adversity in the team setting,
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  SPEAKER_01: not necessarily just the individuals.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've heard more and more coaches recently say the phrase, the most connected team wins.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: And oftentimes adversity has the tendency to breed blame and almost fragmenting teams sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: What are maybe some practical strategies you've used to keep
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  SPEAKER_01: that locker room connected when things aren't going so well?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's a combination of both, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think individually,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think you've got to address certain situations that may be creating the adversity,
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  SPEAKER_00: even though it's our team that's winning or losing.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know probably as a coach what the dynamics of the details are.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I still think individual coaching is vital and then how we bring that to the team.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think that has incredible...
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think, you know, it's kind of the next step for us is even with the team.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm working with Billy Donovan all these years, you know, Hall of Fame coach.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Billy comes from a Rick Pitino disciple.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think he was always, always about the truth, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: We're just going to tell the truth, hold it accountable.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're all going to call out what's real and we're going to figure it out how
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  SPEAKER_00: to bring it together.
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  SPEAKER_00: And even though those years we won back-to-back national championships
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  SPEAKER_00: and we had incredible personalities,
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  SPEAKER_00: but there were tons of adversity on a daily basis.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Billy even created that adversity most days.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes for me as a young coach, I was always the positive guy, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was always trying to figure out how not to have adversity.
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  SPEAKER_00: And keep everybody happy and flowing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I learned a great lesson during that time.
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  SPEAKER_00: I played my role great.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think what I did learn was that he was always trying to prepare guys,
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  SPEAKER_00: obviously, for the big stage that they definitely stepped up in and performed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so with that,
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  SPEAKER_00: we were constantly creating situations where guys had to overcome mentally
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  SPEAKER_00: and emotionally.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we've seen guys respond not always in the right way,
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  SPEAKER_00: but at least we were able to correct that and call that out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes that was one-on-one meetings, sometimes, you know, film.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was sometimes that was,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, taking guys to lunch, taking them to your house, whatever it may be.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we look for different ways,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I think we had a great feel for adversity by how we connected individually.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad you mentioned that team.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to ask you about that experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can success be a form of adversity?
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: We always talked about the struggle of prosperity, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: We won the national championship in 2006.
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  SPEAKER_00: We was preseason rank 178 by all the experts.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we were speaking of having a young team before we started here, Tony.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we had four sophomores and only two had gotten real minutes the year before
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  SPEAKER_00: in Al Horford and Corey Brewer.
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  SPEAKER_00: So with that,
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  SPEAKER_00: we lost 80% of scoring, rebounding, and minutes and thought we were starting over.
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  SPEAKER_00: And with that,
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  SPEAKER_00: the total connection and how we come together was an incredible achievement
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  SPEAKER_00: for those guys and what Coach Donovan did.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think most importantly, the next year become prosperity.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were preseason number one and everybody came back.
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  SPEAKER_00: So as we know it's one of the most difficult things and UConn just did it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were the third team so that makes four that's ever did it in college basketball.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the reason being is because it's so hard to embrace
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  SPEAKER_00: And so with it, how do you do that, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so with it, you know, we've, we talked about the mountaintop.
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  SPEAKER_00: We got up that way in 2006,
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  SPEAKER_00: but the way we were going to get back up the mountaintop was completely
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  SPEAKER_00: the opposite way with tons of more hurdles, tons of more challenges.
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  SPEAKER_00: And how were we going to look at that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Were we going to look at that as As a negative or was we going to embrace the adversity early?
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  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about it all the time and the plan of what we were going to do,
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  SPEAKER_00: how we were going to handle that, how we're going to approach it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And no matter how much you prepare,
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  SPEAKER_00: just like games, there's going to be things that you couldn't prepare for.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what wasn't any different was our approach to how we were going
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  SPEAKER_00: to rally together and we were going to push through that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that was an incredible lesson for me to be on that stage
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  SPEAKER_00: with high performers on a high stage night in and night out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And to see that happen again and win a championship,
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  SPEAKER_00: all I could think about when I was climbing up that ladder,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, and I talk about it in this book, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: The ticket.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we thought that was what we as coaches always had wanted to achieve.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: But once we got there and I looked down, it's like the world stopped.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I could see the confetti all flying down.
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  SPEAKER_00: But all I could think about was Joe Kim's adversity,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: when he first come to college about being a kid who played five minutes a game
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  SPEAKER_00: and wasn't sure if he's coming back.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he stuck with it and took accountability and fought adversity
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  SPEAKER_00: and he ended up being the Final Four MVP 10 months later.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's Al Horford's story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Corey Brewer gave up a lot of money.
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  SPEAKER_00: His father's sick.
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  SPEAKER_00: All the adversity those kids had fought.
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  SPEAKER_00: They all had different stories.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what story that was the same was they all had a mission.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what sports does.
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  SPEAKER_00: It brings us all together in that huddle to play for something bigger than themselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what was sold every day.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what was taught.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was the lesson.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was the ticket, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: The ability, it wasn't about me.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was to give it away to somebody else.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's significance.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's all I could think about when I was on that ladder,
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  SPEAKER_00: and that's really what this book is about,
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  SPEAKER_00: is even though I got there as a player, then you become a coach, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: What do you coach for?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's two scoreboards, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: We have to win.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the real wins are how we impact people and how we give tickets away
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  SPEAKER_00: to help other people in life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's the whole mission.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sorry on a long rant,
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  SPEAKER_00: but just passionate about people,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think, is when you put your focus on how you can help others.
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  SPEAKER_00: Success and the other scorebird will take care of itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what it did back to back.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what we did in 2024 at a place here at Stetson.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's never won.
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  SPEAKER_00: In 53 years,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think we brought back a place where we learned how to love, serve,
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  SPEAKER_00: care for other people and focus on how we could not get,
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  SPEAKER_00: we got our ticket, but that's an opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_00: What we do with it is the real satisfaction we get in life.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to ask you about the current environment of college sports in relationship to this.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: What are some of the biggest adversities that you feel in your job right now?
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, the biggest adversity,
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: obviously,
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: especially at a mid-major like Stetson, is not being at the highest level.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: I know they have their struggles too, but is the
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Is the buy-in,
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: the trust,
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: the process, the opportunity to really grow teams, build teams, build people.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: And how I've looked at that now is I have 10 months when I walk through the door.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: What I did in four, I got to do in 10.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so with that, we have to hurry the process up.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's how kids learn anyway.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: How do we build trust in a short period of time?
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: How do we try to be different?
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: Some programs are, you know, flat out transactional.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: No money is going to be an issue.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: That is part of it now.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: Guys that are in my day and age, some just can't.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: Go through that process.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: They throw their hands up and walk away.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: I respect that as well.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: But how do we adapt and adjust?
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's really what the ticket's about too.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's about the route, right?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: How do we handle that?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: How do we deal with that?
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that's the, to me, Tony,
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: the biggest thing is how do we get kids in here who will stay and buy into
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: the moment and try to get better?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: We got to be able to provide some type of resources like part of the scholarship now.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: I understand that.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: But where is it to the point where Everything just becomes transactional right now.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: We're still in college and we're still the model is about learning and education
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: and growing men and boys becoming men.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: We still have that approach.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that can get lost.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's still got to be the mission.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Basketball is something we love to do and it's fun.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that's the biggest challenge is the transferring and the obviously
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: the have and the have nots based on You know,
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: what I always say, human currency, you can't buy it.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: You can buy it for 10 months, but can you buy it for a lifetime is what you do with people.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: How does that change or does it change any of the ways in which you measure impact?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because it has to be more than just
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: wins and championships.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: It does.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: And hopefully your administration understands that too, right?
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we talk about what's perfect alignment, right?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's with the president,
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: it's with an athletic director,
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: and with the coach who understands the big picture of the mission
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: of what we're trying to do.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect alignment's winning, right?
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: That covers a lot of things, but eventually, you know, what does winning look like?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I think putting yourself in a situation to have a chance to win
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: a championship every year is your goal.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: I feel at Stetson,
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: we've got the alignment of,
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're here with our president,
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Rolke, and Ricky Ray, the new athletic director, and myself.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Our alignment,
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think,
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: has been perfect now in the aspect of understanding of what we're trying to do
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: for young men, trying to grow people.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: And young men as well.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: And obviously we want to win and we're going to play to win,
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: but we're not going to miss that part.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's where we got to be different.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think our kids come here.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: We have a leadership program.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: We take them on retreats for life.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: We don't take them for basketball.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I think there's a lot of stuff here, how we grow them, character coaches.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: We got a lot of people growing men.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: We had nine returners last year,
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: and I really think retention had something to do with these Families,
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: we have Parents Day,
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: we have Family Day,
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: we do the things we used to do back in the old days that people are like,
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: we're not putting our time and money in the connection of the people
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: who don't make decisions.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: So you just have to decide who you want to be.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the ticket to me.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: When I wrote this book, that's why I released it now.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of had it wrote probably over the last five years.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I felt it was a perfect time for people to understand.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Young people, it fits all stages.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: And it's been amazing the amount of energy this has had over the past month.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people are bemoaning the current state of college sports,
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: but just like you,
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think there is an opportunity and those who seize the opportunity are going
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: to be able to have a significant impact beyond just the wins and the championship.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I love it.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's great.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: And that leads me to the last thing.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: Where is the best place that people can find the book?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Tony.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Amazon, the ticket on Amazon, you can find it there.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's easy to get it.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: You can get it in a day or so.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, it's a quick read, three hours.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: Tony, you can read it.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it talks about the route, you know, which stands for ready.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Number two, own it.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Number three is update it.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Number four is how we come together.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, the last one's extend, how we give it away.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of the whole mindset we have and the journey of life.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's really what the story is.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good quick read.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: I will be sure to link it below, and I hope that coaches will take advantage of it.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Coach, it's always a pleasure to talk with you, and I'm glad we had an excuse to connect again.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love it, Tony.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Always a fan of what you do.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for the opportunity.
• 21:05
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