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Manhunt for Gabby Petito Boyfriend Brian Laundrie, as His Parents Visit Public Library · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: The search is on for a Gabby Potito so called
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: boyfriend Brian Laundry, But is the FBI taking a pivot
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: and looking in a different direction. This as Gabby's memorial
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: occurred in the last hours where her family urged everyone
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: to be inspired by Gabby, And you know what, They're right,
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: I will be inspired. I plan to be inspired by
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: Gabby Potito after we find Brian Laundry. First of all,
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: let's kick it off with tick Talking user C W Lynn.
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: I am a fight attendant and I'm overnighting in Toronto
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  Speaker 1: and I was picking up a DoorDash outside and I
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  Speaker 1: noticed this guy was getting flustered walking out of a hotel.
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  Speaker 1: He got back into his car and drove off with
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  Speaker 1: another cry. And I went downstairs to let the hotel know,
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  Speaker 1: and they said that he didn't know where he was
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  Speaker 1: going and he had the wrong hotel. And I'm just
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out if this looks like him or
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  Speaker 1: if I just fell too far down the rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can see the dip and his mustache
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  Speaker 1: like right here where it is on the left side,
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  Speaker 1: and then like the ears, like the ears like bent
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  Speaker 1: down on this side. But my I mean my ear
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  Speaker 1: gets bent down when I put my mask on. But
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: it's better to be safe than sorry. So let me
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  Speaker 1: know what you think. CW land On TikTok. I'm on
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  Speaker 1: your side. Do I think that's him? No, you know why,
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: because I think that he by now has drastically changed
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  Speaker 1: his appearance. Do I think he's in Carlton Reserve? No,
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  Speaker 1: he is not. Out in twenty five thousand acres of
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  Speaker 1: swamped land with the gators and the rattlers and the moccasins,
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  Speaker 1: where there is no fresh water source. You can't drink
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  Speaker 1: the water. It's totally contaminated. I mean, just on instinct.
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  Speaker 1: I just took the twins, my children, on a swamp
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  Speaker 1: expedition not far from Carlton Reserve gator spotting. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: did judge me if you wish, and we had a
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  Speaker 1: great time. But there is no way we would have
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  Speaker 1: even had a tiny sip of that black water. That's
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  Speaker 1: not happening. So with no water, no water filtration system
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  Speaker 1: that we know off. Since he left with nothing but
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  Speaker 1: a backpack, cadaverdaws can't find him, sent DAWs can't find him,
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  Speaker 1: drums can't find him. Cops can't find him. Buzzards can't
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  Speaker 1: find him. I'd be willing to bet that's because he's
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  Speaker 1: not there and the single most important indicator, which I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure one of my guest, Cheryl McCallum, agrees with. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: she's been screaming at No need to preach to the choir, Cheryl,
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  Speaker 1: where's mommy. Mommy's not out there on a skiff, screaming out, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: where are you. Mommy's in her air conditioned dodge ran
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  Speaker 1: with her husband, going to visit their lawyer. They're going
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  Speaker 1: to the grocery store, they're cutting the grass. They're not
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  Speaker 1: worried he's out. They're committing suicide. Uh, look at her,
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  Speaker 1: not worried at all. Somebody's breaking in. I knew that
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  Speaker 1: would happen. Go on, Cheryl, have at it, which you're
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  Speaker 1: absolutely right. And I have been saying this from day one,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm taking my cues from her. She ain't worried
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  Speaker 1: about him being hurt. She's not worried about him having
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  Speaker 1: some type of accident and falling. She's not worried about
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  Speaker 1: the snakes and the gates and nothing else. She certainly
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  Speaker 1: is not entertaining suicide. She's at Starbucks. She's at you know,
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  Speaker 1: the store. They're cutting grass, they're carrying on his sister.
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  Speaker 1: Rain't out there looking at him, you know, looking for him.
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  Speaker 1: They're not out there looking for him. Again. She hasn't
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  Speaker 1: called friends and family to help the search. She ain't
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  Speaker 1: called the priest. I want everybody within our ear shot
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  Speaker 1: right now to think or blurt it out. Jack. I
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  Speaker 1: know you will, my Dakar, and we have an all
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  Speaker 1: girl team here in the studio. Go ahead, What would
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  Speaker 1: you be doing if you thought one of your children
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  Speaker 1: was alone out in that swamp contemplating suicide? What would
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  Speaker 1: you do? What wouldn't you do? You'd hear me in Canada? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: no way is he in that swamp considering suicide? Okay,
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: let's just kick it off with there. But you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I give all the credit to TikTok Gaser. I think
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  Speaker 1: her real name is Sierra, but at c W Lynn
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  Speaker 1: l y In, I think who saw this person that
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  Speaker 1: she thinks looks like Brian Laundry And he does look
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: like Brian Laundry. But there is no way this guy,
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  Speaker 1: if he is on the lamb, which I think he is,
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  Speaker 1: has not changed his appearance getting rid of the mustache,
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  Speaker 1: getting rid of any visible body piercing, hiding tattoos, and
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  Speaker 1: probably dying is eric? Do I have to say? Scott Peterson,
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  Speaker 1: remember what he looked like by the time he was arrested,
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  Speaker 1: bleached blonde hair, hadn't he shaved off facial He did
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  Speaker 1: everything he could to change his appearance. Let me introduce
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  Speaker 1: you an all star panel you've already met. Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: founder director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: forensics expert, death investigator, renounced psychiatrist joining me out of
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  Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction Doctor Angela Arnold at Angela Arnold, MD
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  Speaker 1: dot com and former medical director on the psych Clinic.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm sure she'll give you a lot of really
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  Speaker 1: long Latin phrases, but it boils down to this, mama
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  Speaker 1: ain't crying, okay. So we'll get the long Latin terms
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  Speaker 1: from doctor Angela Arnold, California prosecutor, author of red flags,
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  Speaker 1: which is really important. Here were their red flags about
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  Speaker 1: Brian Laundry's behavior. Behavior today with doctor Wendy KCBQ and
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  Speaker 1: at Wendy Patrick, PhD and Wendy Patrick PhD dot com.
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  Speaker 1: But first let's go out to special guests. Joining US
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter Michael Rui's joining us from Northport, Florida. Michael,
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  Speaker 1: have you seen that swamp? Don't put a toe in
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  Speaker 1: because it's likely to get bitten off by a gator.
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  Speaker 1: But have you seen that swamp? And what's happening with
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  Speaker 1: the search? And why were the Feds back at the
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  Speaker 1: laundry home this week in the same day as Gabby's funeral.
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  Speaker 1: Just start wherever you want, Michael. Okay, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: to unpack there. But but yes, I've seen the swamp,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, for someone to be living in there
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  Speaker 1: for more than a week, it seems very far fetched.
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  Speaker 1: With the high water that we have, with the gators,
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  Speaker 1: with the snakes, there's also bears and pumas, and the insects.
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  Speaker 1: Are they bite a lot in its sting? I'm not
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  Speaker 1: worried about a mosquito bite. Okay. Can I just ask you, Michael,
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  Speaker 1: where are you from. I'm from Long Island, New York,
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  Speaker 1: so I actually from very close to where Gabby and
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  Speaker 1: Brian grew. So I don't think you guys have mosquitoes
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  Speaker 1: in Long Island? But do you have? No seems the
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  Speaker 1: little thingies that bite which can't see them. We do,
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  Speaker 1: we do have those. They're horrible. But down in the
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  Speaker 1: swamp area there are going to be a lot of mosquitoes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not worried about bug bites for brian laundry, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm more worried about is he dead or alive and
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  Speaker 1: where is he? But the likelihood of living in those conditions,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Ruise, you said with the water conditions, let's break
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  Speaker 1: it down. What do you mean by that? So it's
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: the rainy season right now, So I think three quarters
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  Speaker 1: of this preserve are underwater, and it's deep, and it
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  Speaker 1: kind of forces the animals onto whatever few places of
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  Speaker 1: dry land there are, which is also where if someone
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  Speaker 1: was hiding in there they would have to be So
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  Speaker 1: everything would be kind of squeezed into a little space,
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  Speaker 1: and that would make it very uncomfortable with you know,
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  Speaker 1: thirteen foot gators and coyotes and wild boar and water
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  Speaker 1: moccasins and whatever else he has, you know, to be
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  Speaker 1: camping around them. Plus police searched this area extensively, and
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  Speaker 1: then because of the water, you know, the area where
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  Speaker 1: they have to search if he's alive is very small.
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  Speaker 1: Compared to what it would be if it were dry
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  Speaker 1: out there. So they have a, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: a focus on where they could have found him, and
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  Speaker 1: they haven't found him. And basically every expert in every
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  Speaker 1: local I've talked to about this said that they don't
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  Speaker 1: think he's in there. If he was ever in there,
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: he's gone climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're taking
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  Speaker 1: one thing at a time. We're gonna move to the
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  Speaker 1: FBI on the screen porch of mister and Miss Laundry
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  Speaker 1: this weekend, in the last twenty four hours, coincidentally, same
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  Speaker 1: day as Gabby's memorial or her family calls for us
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  Speaker 1: to be inspired and kind of makes me feel bad
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  Speaker 1: because they're so good and magnanimous and sending out love.
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  Speaker 1: And all I want to do is find Brian Laundry
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  Speaker 1: and bring him to justice. But let's focus first on
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  Speaker 1: what Michael Ruis just told us, investigative reporter from Fox
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  Speaker 1: joining us to Northport, Florida, to you, Jessica, I'm Margy.
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  Speaker 1: Before I get to the fens on the Laundry's back doorstep,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about the living conditions in the swamp. Oh
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  Speaker 1: it's horrible. Oh, let me tell you one more thing.
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  Speaker 1: Unless you're a gator, let me tell you one more
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  Speaker 1: thing about this guy. Everybody, you know, I'll keep hearing
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  Speaker 1: these no fence Michael. I've heard a lot of journals
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  Speaker 1: that have been going on about that. This guy. It's
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: almost like a modern day Daniel Boone. You know, he
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  Speaker 1: spent time on the Appalachian Trail and all these other things.
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  Speaker 1: Haven't we tell you something this guy. This guy is
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  Speaker 1: a gutless coward. This guy is a man that will
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  Speaker 1: beat up ninety five pound girls in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the street. He is of the street, the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the street. He hit her in the face in the street.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, wait a minute, you did this to me.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do this to myself. I'm taking a turn
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the street, Cheryl McCallum. If he
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  Speaker 1: will beat her in the face in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the street, taking her phone, trying to get in the
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  Speaker 1: van and leave her, what will he do out in
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  Speaker 1: a remote wilderness when they're by themselves and she says
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  Speaker 1: I want to break up? What do you think happens, Cheryl? Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot tell you enough. Not only in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the street, in all daylight repeatedly in front of witnesses.
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  Speaker 1: So what will he do in a remote location killer?
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what doctor Angie Arnold. Your specialty is dealing
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  Speaker 1: with women. Doctor Angie Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us out
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  Speaker 1: of Atlanta. Now I'm just an amateur compared to you
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  Speaker 1: on this. I worked about nine years volunteering at the
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  Speaker 1: Battered Women's Center, and I learned a lot because they
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  Speaker 1: put us through a lot of training in order to
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  Speaker 1: do that. And then I saw it over and over
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  Speaker 1: as I was prosecuting. I was just telling the story
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  Speaker 1: this morning where I remember seeing this beautiful, sweet little girl,
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  Speaker 1: very slight, literally dragging into court, Cheryl. I remember telling
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  Speaker 1: you this at the time. Her leg was in a
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  Speaker 1: cast up to the hips. Coming in and behind her
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  Speaker 1: was an even scrawny or looking guy, and and he
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  Speaker 1: had broken her leg broken it. I don't mean a boot.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean one of those little pushy things for
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  Speaker 1: your leg. You're been at the knee and you're going
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  Speaker 1: around and one leg is up on a cushion, full
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  Speaker 1: on cast, hardcast from the hip down. And guess what
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  Speaker 1: she wanted, Doctor Angie to drop charges? And I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe I had the idea to do this at that time,
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  Speaker 1: as young as I was. Said, no, she's not prosecuting,
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  Speaker 1: so don't go on and beat her up. Hey, you
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  Speaker 1: ought to be in jail somehow you got out on bond.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm prosecuting you, not her. And she can beg
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  Speaker 1: and plead and carry on, which she did all she
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  Speaker 1: wants to. But I'm getting you, and you're going to jail.
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  Speaker 1: And guess what he did. What I'm saying is what
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  Speaker 1: this guy would do behind closed doors and think he
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  Speaker 1: could get away with it. Doctor Angie. Well, And the
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  Speaker 1: first thing he did Nancy was on her family, and
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  Speaker 1: he worked on her for two years while she lives
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  Speaker 1: in that home with him and his two parents who
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  Speaker 1: are now protecting him. Then he takes her out on
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  Speaker 1: a road trip. I really do believe the girl looked gaunt,
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  Speaker 1: but unfortunately she was very protective of him because he
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  Speaker 1: had made her believe that he was somehow her savior,
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  Speaker 1: that she wasn't good enough, that no one else wanted
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  Speaker 1: to care for her. That's what he's been working on
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  Speaker 1: for the last two years. He has brainwashed this poor
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  Speaker 1: little girl to a point of nobody. Here's the shaky part.
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  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick and I agree with everything. Doctor Angie Arnold
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  Speaker 1: just said, here's the shaky part. It's like the jackal
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  Speaker 1: that sneaks up on the gazelle at the watering hole.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't think, Okay, I'm going to isolate the little
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  Speaker 1: skinny one, and the others will run because that's the
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  Speaker 1: one I think I can eat for lunch. They don't
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  Speaker 1: think about it. I don't think Brian Laundry had a plan,
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  Speaker 1: a master plan. Oh, first I'll isolate Gabby. I'll get
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  Speaker 1: her to moving with me and my parents, who are
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  Speaker 1: always on my side, and then slowly I'll condition her
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  Speaker 1: to take the blame whenever I'm a class A hale. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think he thought it through, Andy. I
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  Speaker 1: think that is his nature. And that's the scariest part
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  Speaker 1: of this, Nancy is when we look back through the
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  Speaker 1: chronology of how that relationship developed, the fact that she
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  Speaker 1: was isolated was living with he and his family, not
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  Speaker 1: the other way around, And along with the nature of
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  Speaker 1: the trip they took. This wasn't a five star resort tripping,
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  Speaker 1: this was road tripping. Some level of at least some
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  Speaker 1: kind of survivalist instinct where should have to depend on him,
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  Speaker 1: which is why the information about him taking her phone
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  Speaker 1: threatening to strand her all. This is that coercive control
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  Speaker 1: that we see in these types of domestic violence cases,
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  Speaker 1: and do you see developing as the foundation of what
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  Speaker 1: their relationship was really like. As a matter of fact,
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut one sixty eight. This
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  Speaker 1: is the MOABPD dispatch ten sixty three attempt to Loka.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Continuing attempt to Loka time lapse of about right forty second.
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  Speaker 1: RP steen a mail hit a female domestic. He got
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  Speaker 1: into a white Ford transit van has a black ladder
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  Speaker 1: on the back, Florida plate of Quebec Fox Tango Golf
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  Speaker 1: zero three. The van turned right onto Main Street from
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  Speaker 1: Moonflower Market and headed north onto Main Street sixteen thirty
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  Speaker 1: eight Molower sixteen forty one at t who you have
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  Speaker 1: a full over photo ARPA. Maybe you're still that light
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  Speaker 1: and the location of r vacans fun number is name.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that, but the female who got hit,
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  Speaker 1: they both the male and the female both got into
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  Speaker 1: the van and headed north. Significance of that is contrary
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  Speaker 1: to what I originally thought. How polite and civil the
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  Speaker 1: Moai police were being on their body cam to Gabby
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  Speaker 1: and Laundry. They knew or should have known. He just
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: hit her right on the face on the sidewalk, as
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum has pointed out, in broad day light. And
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  Speaker 1: she's gonna love this on Main Street on Main Street,
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  Speaker 1: right there, broad day light, on the sidewalk turn onto
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  Speaker 1: Main Street. I mean, how could the cops not know
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  Speaker 1: about it? But I'm getting sidetracked of that major blunder.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get back to the conditions in the
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  Speaker 1: swim and is he jump in? This is doctor Arnold Nitzy.
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  Speaker 1: That made her feel even more small for him to
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  Speaker 1: think that he could slap her in broad daylight. Not
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  Speaker 1: only is it so aggressive on his part, but it
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  Speaker 1: was so down putting to her. So that's why she
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  Speaker 1: later on in the video from the Moab police is
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  Speaker 1: apologizing and saying, well, I have OCD and I haven't
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  Speaker 1: been taking my medicine. That's what he's done to her.
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  Speaker 1: She says she was sorry she was quite putting off
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  Speaker 1: a bad vibe. I guess I'd be putting off a
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  Speaker 1: bad vibe if David has slapped me in the face
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  Speaker 1: and got away with it. What about it, Cheryl? What
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  Speaker 1: happened in that instant, Doctor Angie's absolutely right. But there's
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: a flip side of this, and that's what happened to
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Brian Laundry. Law enforcement in that failure to act, naming
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  Speaker 1: her as the aggressor, saying they could arrest her, putting
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  Speaker 1: him in the hotel, and making her go back to
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: the desert. They made him bulletproof. What do you mean
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  Speaker 1: by that, Cheryl? He felt untouchable. He I guarantee they
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  Speaker 1: got back together, and he told her, see, nobody's ever
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  Speaker 1: going to believe you. I kept you from going to jail.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I should have let them arrest you. He gave her
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  Speaker 1: that entire Diba tribe. And that is domestic violence. One
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  Speaker 1: O one, Sugar, Listen relative to this, and let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you why this is critical. Relative to the death investigation.
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  Speaker 1: If the m E or the corner was not aware
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  Speaker 1: of the fact that there was previous abuse in this case,
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  Speaker 1: this is something given the state of her body, this
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  Speaker 1: is something they may have missed at autopsy. If there
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  Speaker 1: was an ongoing domestic violent situation that preceded her death.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm talking about things like being slapped, hit and again,
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  Speaker 1: I go back to this idea of deprivation of things
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  Speaker 1: like water, food. They've been on the road together for
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  Speaker 1: a long time, and because her body was decomposing, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry to say that the reality is this. They may
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  Speaker 1: not have picked up on this. That's a key piece
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  Speaker 1: of evidence relative to the narrative when you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: their relationship. Well, let's just say, in the famous words,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: it ain't over yet. They still haven't released the true
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  Speaker 1: cause of death, just the manner of death as homicide.
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  Speaker 1: So if we know, certainly they know by now about
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the prior beating crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we've
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  Speaker 1: got Michael Luise standing by right now, probably sweating bullets
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  Speaker 1: outside of the Carlton Reserve. Hey, Michael Ruise, investigative reporter
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  Speaker 1: joining us from Fox News Digital. Michael, take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to our cut one fifty six. This is a Florida
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  Speaker 1: swamper Alan McEwan. Listen. This is what you would find
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  Speaker 1: in that twenty five thousand acres of the Carlton Reserve,
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  Speaker 1: except for a few high spots where the power lines are,
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  Speaker 1: and a couple of roads they have in there, and
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  Speaker 1: even a couple of roads they have in there are
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  Speaker 1: massively underwet, just totally underwater. There's no surviving out here.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to say. I ride ranches. I'm
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: out on horses all day with the dogs with war
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: word or saddle bags and all. But we're out here,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: out there, riding for twelve thirteen hours a day, starting
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: at daylight time. We get in at night. I don't
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: see anybody can make it out here for ten days,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: five days. There's no water supply, there's no fresh springs,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: there's no stores available, you know, unless you go twelve
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: miles either direction. There's just no possible way, no possible way.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: The mosquitoes would carry you off in the first night,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: literally blood sucking mosquitoes. Take a listen to more from
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: our new friend Swamp Store. Alan McEwan cut one fifty seven.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: This train here is ninety underwater. There's no place happened.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if he packed a backpack for
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: a couple of days, yeah, but you know, unless he's
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: got hide like a gator, there's no nobody's gonna five
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: with the mosquitoes and the bugs and this and that.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: And then we have the theory of people saying, oh
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the gators have eaten him or something like that. You know, again,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: gators out here when are more afraid of you than
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you are of them. You walk up on a gat
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: or ninety percent of the time, boom, they tell it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Go the other way. Anything dead you find in the woods,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: you're gonna look up. You're gonna see buzzers flying like crazy.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I've been on a horse, I've been in a car
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and have seen buzzards down the road. Fifty to one
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: hundred of them pull up on him and it's nothing
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: but a squirrel. So you know you have a dead
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: body out here. Yeah, that is decomposing everything. And Rick
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and Morter said in you are going to see buzzards
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: on it. You are going to see buzzards on it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And Michael ruis joining us from on Northport, Florida, where
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: as you know by now there is the Carlton Reserve
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: twenty five thousand acres of swamp lan He's right, Michael.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, having done several swamp expeditions on my
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: own and having taken my children out two months ago.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: When you come up, every gator to a fault, and
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: we saw probably about eighty gators. Everyone large and small
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: would see us and go underwater and go away. Now
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: did I get in the water. No, I didn't want
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: to tempt the gator. But long story short, he's totally right.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So granted that the conditions are inhabitable in Carlton Reserve,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: let's just assume that's a big lie. I know Wendy
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Patrick's going to want to jump in if the parents knowingly,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: if the parents knowingly lied to police about their son's whereabouts,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: could they face charges? But back to you, Michael Louise,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I want to find out. The FBI shows up at
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the screen porch Brian Laundry's, her parents home. They the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: parents had left something for the FBI. The FBI came
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and got it. What was it? So the FBI was
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: looking for DNA evidence. They were looking for materials from
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the home that could be used to match Bryant's DNA
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: for whatever investigative reasons that they have. And that's that
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: was the exchange there. They only stayed for about three
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: minutes and then they were on their way. So do
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: you want to believe Do you believe, Michael Ruis that
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the fits are now and locals are shifting focus away
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: from Carlton Reserve? I do because I can tell you
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the police presence at the reserve is way down from
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: what it was just a couple of days ago. The search,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: she's kind of more compact in a tighter area, and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: there's less manpower there, and the experts all say that
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: they don't think he's in there. So you know, where's
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the next step of the investigation. I think the FBI
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: is as ahead of us on that and they're looking
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: somewhere else. I think you're absolutely right. So next focus
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: is if he's not there, where is he? I gotta
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: hand it to our TikToker that we played earlier today,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: because people are looking for him, no doubt in my mind,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, this guy has altered his appearance. Yeah. And
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you know the reason we think that, and the evidence
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: that leads to that is we often say in action
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: speaks louder than words, and the parents inaction by not
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: going out to the swamp yelling for their son, all
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the things that you would do if the twins were missing,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and all of us would do if our kids were missing,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: really is indicative of them knowing he went in the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: opposite direction he got. However many days lead time this is,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: but that's what anybody would assume looking at their behavior.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: So yes, maybe they're looking in the swamp for evidence,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: but that's not where they're going to find Brian laundry.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to circle back with you, Wendy about
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: could the parents be held libel if they knowingly misled police?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: So let's go out to our expert, Sheryl McCallum, and
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: just got morga. If he's not in there, where is he? Well,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: there's something I want to say before I get to that.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: The FBI came for DNA evidence. Oh yeah, not scent evidence. Hey,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: you know what the wait a minute, why do we
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: keep focusing on laundry as it relates to the search
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: in Carlton Reserve. A lot of people thought, oh, DNA,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: have they found a body? Have they found evidence? They
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: want to match it up? What about getting his DNA
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: to make an accurate comparison to DNA found on Gabby's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: body so he can be charged? Oh I'm sure are
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you were just about to say what I said? That's
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: what I was like you. They won't DNA evidence, not
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: scent evidence, because it's not about the search for him,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: it's about something they found at that scene. Maybe he
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: bled at that scene. Maybe his blood is at the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: murder scene as well. We don't know, but to me
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: that is critical that they want DNA and not scent evidence.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Let's see, I agree, Scott. It could be blood evidence.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: It could be alio advance, which is skin tissue. It
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: could be it could be sperm m saliva. Yes, yeah,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: it could be any number of things. And Mac do
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: me a favor next time you get a chance to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: take a look at the video from them on that
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: screen porch, I urge everybody to do this. That was
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: provided by fox Uh, one of those agents. It looks
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: as though he's actually swabbing what appears to be like
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a doorbell or something. You get a quick glimpse of
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: it right there in that frame. So what they're doing,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I think relative to the DNA of the parents, they're
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: trying to separate them. They're trying to vet all of
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the stuff. Wait, hold on, what yeah, cross contamination of
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: anything that's in there. They want to separate out the
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: parental DNA. Relative to this evidence, Remember they were taking
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: stuff out of that van and bringing it into the house.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Do you recall they talked about this early on where
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the van had been unloaded, it was reloaded, and then
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the FBI now has the van,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: which is significant compared to the Mustang. They still still
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: in possession of this van. That means that there's something
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: critical inside of that van. And I still hold I
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: still hold that. I think that if any that the
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: fatal event, there's a high likelihood that the fatal event
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: probably took This thing is secure. You're not going to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: be able to see anything, even though they're out in
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the world. With this Nancy, it's private. You can do
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to in there. And by god, he
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: was doing it out on the street, wasn't he. He
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: was doing whatever he wanted to out there. How much
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: more would he have done in that van? Although I
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: believe Cheryl McCullum that he had more swing room to
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: launch an attack, to hit her in the head with
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: a rod, to strangle her. I mean, to me, is
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: six and one half dozen the other Did he murder
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: in the van or did he murder outdoors where her
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: body was found? Right? More than likely he killed her
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: inside that van, and it was quick and it was
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: probably strangulation. What they're going to focus on, or the
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: things like the makeshift fire pit. What was he burning?
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Was he burning her journal? Was he burning her cell phone?
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Was he burning other things? And again they have found
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: his DNA on something that didn't belong So maybe he
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: even did things to her, you know, post injury, they're
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: gonna look for that. So if his DNA is on
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: a rock, if his DNA is on something that it
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: should not be a broken necklace, that's going to be
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the key. I agree that a place in the van
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: it was suffocation because there's not really room to do
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: a whole lot else is that you just got? Yeah,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: And one other thing that I'd like to point out.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: They were campers, Nancy all right, and you know we've
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: seen the individual little tenth that they would set up.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: What do you need in order to camp? Well, you've camped,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I've camp You're gonna need a hammer to drive stakes with.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: You've probably got a saw in there somewhere to cut
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: branches with. You've certainly got a knife, don't you. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: so all of those implements that were contained within that
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: van are potentially evidence rich items that they're trying to
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: compare things with crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys, I've
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: got so so much is happening right now. We've got
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: to get to something. Michael Ruise, I want you to
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: listen to our cut one fifty. This is Amanda Mackenzie
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: at Fox thirty five. Listen. We do know that Laundry's
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: parents they were here in Orlando yesterday. And that's right,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Danielle and Amy. Yes, Laundry's parents were here to meet
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: with their attorney. It's not clear what they spoke about
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: or why they met in Orlando at the indictment against
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: their son. Now labeling him a federal fugitive only reveals
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: a sliver of mission in the case. Okay, Michael, Rui's
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: joining me from Florida. Michael. In the middle of all this,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: they think their son could be out in Carlton Reserve
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: killing himself. They get in their dodge Ram, isn't it
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: a dodge Ram, kind of a Burgundy Dodge Ram, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: they drive all the way to Orlando, which I think
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: is about an hour and a half away from their
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: home Ish and en route they stop at a public library.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Of course their detailed by the Lord only knows who,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: but certainly the Daily Mail was there. And apparently they
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: go in the public library and they're you know, wandering
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: around and then I think they see a reporter and
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: very quickly after that they leave. What do you think
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: about this theory that they went to use the computer
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: at the public library, probably under a fake name, to
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: text or email Brian Laundry on his Brandy Burner phone.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Think about it, Michael. That's certainly something you could do
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: out of public library and a good way to use
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the Internet anonymously, So you know, that's something to take
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: a look at. And and and for the Burner phone,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you know, we haven't confirmed that there's a Burner phone,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: but I can tell you this. Brian Laundry and Gabby
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Petito shared his Spotify account and we reported on it
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of days after she was reporting missing. And
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: since then, that was about two weeks ago, the account
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: has changed. And all of the playlists on this account
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: where had names, so you know, and they were it
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: was about mountain climbing and you know, isolation and things
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: like that, and they had these names that were relevant
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I guess to the music in them. And now they're
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: all unnamed. So someone changed that, and we know it
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't Gabby. So who logged into this Spotify account and
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: changed that is a question that you know, if they're right,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: what about it, Cheryl jump in. I mean, I'm just
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: learning that, But I think that is from the indus.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: And again, I think that's very telling to who would
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: manipulate this whole thing, Who would change the music, who
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: would send a bogus text, who would go home on
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the first and act like nothing's going on for another
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: for eleven days? And he doesn't go missing until I
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: believe the attorney says I've got to meet with him.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I've at least got to meet with him over you
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: FaceTime if nothing else, And when they can't produce him,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: suddenly he's missing. But I'm going to point out again
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: mama never reported him missing Monday, Tuesday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: till Friday night. Can I also point out something else,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: mindy passion. You know how much high profile lawyers charge.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: The day that the parents leave home and drive to Orlando,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: it's about one hundred and fifty miles away from their
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: home in Sarasota County. The lawyer flies flies from New
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: York to Florida specifically to meet with the parents. Now,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: when you get a high priced lawyer on a plane
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: fly from New York to Florida to mate in an
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: obscure location. There's a reason, Wendy, Yeah, there's definitely a reason.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: That's going to be one expensive lawyer. But the reason
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: is to be able to have the kind of advice
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: that it almost seems like they had before in terms
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: of would they be liable personally. Remember, one of the
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: easiest charges to prove in cases like this is lying
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: to authority. These parents refuse to speak to investigators in
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the early days of this probe, and that would make
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: it hard to use that kind of a charge that
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: is much easier to prove. I've got some new evidence
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: for you. Is everybody sitting down? You may need to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: lay down for this one. It was undercover ages believed
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: to be the FBI, followed the Laundrys into the Orlando
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Public Library and hovered producing eighties dance CDs in a
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Colombian art installa that it's not clear why they were
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: in the library, because they certainly did not check anything out.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: We can make our own deductions why they were there. Again,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: if they wanted to kill time, why not just go
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: to the McDonald's drive through and get some of the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: best coffee in the world. That doesn't cost eight dollars
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a cup? Why not that? Why go and wander around
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the public library forcing the undercover cops to peruse eighties
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: dance CDs and a Colombian art installation. I mean, you
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: think they were there for the Colombian art Cheryl for
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: the eighties dance CD collection. A lot of parents when
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: they fear their child has committed suicide or is missing,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: nothing's going to come for them like some eighties dance music. Okay,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: what about it, Wendy Patrick. Could the parents if big,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: if if they intentionally misled police trying to find laundry,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: would they face charges? Yes? In that case, that is
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: exactly what the issue is going to be. Did they
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: know and did they intentionally intend to prevent the police
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: from finding out the information they need to find Brian.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: That's the tough thing to prove, but it also would
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: be an explanation for all the conduct we've been explaining,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: including the foray into the public library where there are
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: options of untraceable communication. So yees, under those facts, they
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: do have something to worry about, and that money spent
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: on that lawyer would be well spent. Of course, maybe
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: they were just hiding out in there waiting for the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: lawyer to show up. But they waited around thirty minutes
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to not look at a single book or display, ignoring requests,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: of course from the Daily Mail. Where were you, Michael Ruise?
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Were you hung up in the ADCDS? So when they
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: were in Orlando? I was actually I had just gotten
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to Northport and I was kind of getting the lay
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: of the land here. That was sarcastic, Michael, you don't
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: have to say me where you really were. I know you.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: We're not looking at the ADCDS. So, Michael Wendy, what
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: was your final answer? Yes, no, could they face charges?
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: The answer is yes, under the fact that you laid
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: out if they knew and they intentionally prevented the police
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: from learning what they need to do to find Bryan
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: and Andre Angie. Do you think they care if they're
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: going to face charges. I don't know. I mean, I
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: don't understand how these people do not see how we see,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: how we see their actions. I'm wondering, are they just dumb? No,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're dumb at all. They're they're very
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: successful business people. They're not dumb at all. But you know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I'm telling Michael Ruise. You're there in Northport? Do they
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: let the shades down where where nobody can see what's
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: going on inside the home? Oh? Yeah, that home is dark.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: You know, everything's closed. You don't see them, you don't
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: see any activity. And you know they weren't rolling the
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: lawn at first, but it's starting to get a little
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: bit tall compared to the neighbor's grass, So they kind
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: of spend a lot of time doing I don't know
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: what in there where we can't him. Well, really, honestly,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: do you blame them? I mean, I don't want Michael
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Ruiz with his long lands at the edge of my
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: long looking in at me when I'm walking by in
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: my shorts and T shirt. Do you blame them for
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: letting the shades down? So, yes, it's dark, but you
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: know they've got to know they're being tailed every time
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: they leave. So final word, jes Scot Morgan. You know
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about you know, what are the odds
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: that he actually has a burner phone Nancy? And at
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: first I would say pretty good because they had about
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: a week to get ready, they knew what had gone down,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and yeah, and how did he get it into his hands?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Did the did the attorney facilitate this? You know, did
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: he show up from New York with I don't know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: three burner phones? Now? I think they would have already
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: had them because he went on the run on September eleven.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: And this is the this is the interesting thing again.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I go back to this kind of manly thing that
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: they're talking about, where he's, you know, the model to
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: day Daniel Boone. He's attached to mommy and daddy. He's
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: totally depended upon them. I don't think he's walking around
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: untethered out there. He has to be connected somehow, some way,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: either through the attorney or through the appearance or maybe
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: vis vi the attorney, then to the parents. I have
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: no idea. There's some kind of triangulation thing. How do
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: we get that? What from from a from a with
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: a sting Ray? How do we get that? If the
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: parents use a burner to call him or receive his call,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the only way to get that, to grab it is
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: by how Joe Scott. Yeah, I think that that's going
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  Speaker 1: to be. And you know that the cool thing about
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Stingray is that what you're saying, I'm saying sting Ray.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: And also I think that the FEDS have to be
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: able to zero in on this signal. You know what,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: what's the combination? Are they on these people? Are they
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: watching them? You know like you know gravy on Rice. Well,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I can tell you the answer that Yerl McCall him
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: is yes. If they endure the ADCD mix out, then
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: they'll do anything. Go ahead quickly. They either knew or
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: should have known the minute he showed back up without her,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: and they sat there for eleven days, ignoring her mama's
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: please to please tell me where she is? Is she okay?
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: They knew as soon as Gabby's mama started begging them
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: for information. They helped him. And there's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: You can run, but he can't hide. He will be caught. Tipline.
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  Speaker 1: There's a thirty thousand dollars reward out there. Eight hundred
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  Speaker 1: call FBI eight hundred two to five five three two
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  Speaker 1: four laundry. We're coming after you. Nancy Grace signing off,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend