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You Got Decisons: Reality TV Star Kara Leona Sit Down · Decisions, Decisions

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  Speaker 1: Decisions, decisions. This is a special episode because we've had
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  Speaker 1: this show 10 years and for nine years I've watched
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  Speaker 1: a show that you've been on. So it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be funny for you to see comments later because half
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  Speaker 1: of them will be like, I hate her. And the
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  Speaker 1: other half will be like, oh my God, Wheezy stands,
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  Speaker 1: stands the tea from this show. Yeah. But one thing
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  Speaker 1: for me that's been really difficult to watch is the
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  Speaker 1: last few weeks of even if I wasn't a fan
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  Speaker 1: of your story or character, how people have been treating you.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm really glad that we're getting to sit down
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  Speaker 1: together because I want you to feel like we can
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  Speaker 1: chat as if we're talking to your tribe. Sure. And
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  Speaker 1: your tribe, in my opinion, should be women. But for
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  Speaker 1: some reason, I don't know what's going on in like
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  Speaker 1: our era, but I almost felt like I was in
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  Speaker 1: the Redfield Manosphere. Like, And it really confused me and
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  Speaker 1: it made me emotional because I was like, damn, okay, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: like whatever she's done or like we're still looking at
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  Speaker 1: a mom and it's just hard to watch. So I
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  Speaker 1: guess let's kind of go to the beginning of your
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  Speaker 1: journey getting into, and this is, you know, to make
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  Speaker 1: sure we talk very nice and dainty on your socials,
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  Speaker 1: not like the horror show that I, that I am on.
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  Speaker 2: Wait. But.
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  Speaker 1: How did this journey of you getting into different type
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  Speaker 1: of work start? Because you've always been hot. Oh, thanks.
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  Speaker 1: And your ex has always been hot, which I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: surprised it didn't start together.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I tried to encourage him actually. He was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: obviously he's not a fan. So that was never going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. But yeah, I guess, I mean, I've always
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  Speaker 2: just been very open-minded. I've always been a performer at heart.
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  Speaker 2: And so for me, this is just another, you know,
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  Speaker 2: variation of what I was already kind of doing. Like
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  Speaker 2: I've always been a, a ham, my mom used to
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  Speaker 2: call me. So I'm like, I've never been shy. I've
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  Speaker 2: always been really open-minded. Like, you know, sex work in
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  Speaker 2: general has never been something that's been off-putting to me.
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  Speaker 2: I've always been pro like her body, her choice, like
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  Speaker 2: whatever she wants to do, whatever they want to do,
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is. Like, I just think that if it's
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  Speaker 2: not harming people and it's consensual, then like, why is
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  Speaker 2: it so upsetting?
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  Speaker 1: To me, if it's consensual, not harming kids, animals.
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  Speaker 2: That's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's something that what I believe your naysayers would
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  Speaker 1: say is harmful to your kid. right, that you're saying
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  Speaker 1: it's not harming kids. The reason that people I believe
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  Speaker 1: are so angry is because they think it is harmful.
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  Speaker 1: And that opinion, although I don't agree, I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: we can walk through this because some of the things
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  Speaker 1: I saw were, okay, but it's a marriage. Now, at
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  Speaker 1: what point do you feel like, okay, not regretful, but
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  Speaker 1: understanding to those that feel like you shouldn't be because-
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  Speaker 1: You're a mom.
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  Speaker 2: People judge others so intensely, you know, and I hope
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  Speaker 2: to raise my son in a way that he's not
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  Speaker 2: doing that to people and lead by example. And it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm your mother and I do something that's controversial, not
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  Speaker 2: because it's bad, but because people have their own shit
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  Speaker 2: that they need to work through. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: what is so obvious to me that when something I
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  Speaker 2: do that is really my choice and my right and
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  Speaker 2: that it affects others that way, it makes, I think
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  Speaker 2: it speaks much more about people's internal problems within themselves.
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  Speaker 1: There are other women, you're not the first, and you
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  Speaker 1: know you're not, that are going through the same issue,
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  Speaker 1: feeling like they may want to start sex work.
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  Speaker 2: So many women have reached out to me. I'm about
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  Speaker 2: to drop a fucking e-book, honey. I'm about to drop
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  Speaker 2: an e-book so quick. Just so many women, hey, I'm struggling. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a newly single mom. Hey, you know, me and
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  Speaker 2: my partner want to get into it. Hey, can you
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  Speaker 2: give me tips, X, Y, Z? Like, I think so
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  Speaker 2: many people are actually interested in it, but afraid to
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  Speaker 2: move because of how it's perceived.
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  Speaker 1: And the other thing, too, I think everybody wants to
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  Speaker 1: say to you, well, you could have done something else.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God, they love it.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of feeling like it was a choice. So why?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I do lots of things still. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that it's overshadowed a lot of the other work that
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  Speaker 2: I do because people are like, oh, now she just
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  Speaker 2: does sex work or makes this kind of content. And
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  Speaker 2: it's like, no, I still have a valid Virginia Realtors license.
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  Speaker 2: I have a closing literally like in two days and
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  Speaker 2: several after that. Yeah, I do music and I do
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  Speaker 2: television and I do like social media, all kinds of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just one of my several streams of income.
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  Speaker 2: And I felt like, It was a good fit for me.
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  Speaker 2: Not only do I find no issues in sex work,
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  Speaker 2: so that was not a problem. But then secondly, I'm
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  Speaker 2: afforded this really beautiful platform because of the television show
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  Speaker 2: that I'm a part of. And to me, it was
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  Speaker 2: an obvious choice because I have all of these eyes
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  Speaker 2: already on me. And I don't have to take any
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  Speaker 2: more time away from being with my son. Because mind you,
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  Speaker 2: and I think this gets skipped a lot in my story,
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  Speaker 2: my son has been with me since I've separated from
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  Speaker 2: my ex-husband. six days a week. And then we went
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  Speaker 2: down to five days a week. So I have him
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  Speaker 2: the vast majority of the time. And so what I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't do was just go take a 40 hour a
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  Speaker 2: week job because then I'm paying a babysitter to then
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  Speaker 2: be with my son. And that takes away from my
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  Speaker 2: son and I'm trying to provide for my son. And
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  Speaker 2: that really flies in the face of it. So for me,
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  Speaker 2: it was the most efficient, the most effective, the, the,
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  Speaker 2: something that spoke to me that I'm comfortable with. Like
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  Speaker 2: it all just made sense for me.
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  Speaker 1: You got your time back.
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  Speaker 2: And I got, and I was able to like I
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  Speaker 2: have six and a half hour work day when I'm
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  Speaker 2: not with my child. Six and a half hours.
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  Speaker 1: Does this exist if he's not here? Is this choice
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  Speaker 1: you think because you're just like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think so. No, I don't think. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's not that I'm like. I just don't. It only
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  Speaker 2: crossed my mind truly because I was about to face
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  Speaker 2: single parenthood and I felt like I couldn't rely on
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  Speaker 2: my ex-husband. to follow through on the things he said
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  Speaker 2: he was going to do. He had a million and
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  Speaker 2: one dreams, but like it never was coming to fruition.
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  Speaker 2: And I was starting to understand that I can't trust
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  Speaker 2: him to be the provider.
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  Speaker 1: And so let's actually go back into, because I'm getting married.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're about to talk me out of it. Tell me,
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  Speaker 1: what is something women aren't realizing about the, not burden,
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  Speaker 1: but responsibility they take on when marrying a man, whether
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  Speaker 1: they be from this country or not?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I can only speak for myself and what
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  Speaker 2: I was hoping to find in a marriage, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is I really wanted a partner. I wanted someone that
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  Speaker 2: I could like ride or die with that like met
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  Speaker 2: me where I was at and believed in me and
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  Speaker 2: understood my drive and wasn't ever going to like try
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  Speaker 2: to dim my light in a way, which that didn't
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  Speaker 2: work out. But, you know, I think you owe it
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  Speaker 2: to each other to try to bring out the best
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  Speaker 2: version of yourself in them. Together.
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  Speaker 1: How long were you together before you got married?
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  Speaker 2: Well, a year before we got engaged and like two
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  Speaker 2: before we got married.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know when, and I asked this too as somebody,
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  Speaker 1: so I've been podcasting and interviewing people and doing TV
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  Speaker 1: too for 10 years. Yeah. Now that I'm getting married,
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  Speaker 1: my largest fear, because I don't see it today, is
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  Speaker 1: that one day you'll be like, no, that is too sexy.
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  Speaker 1: There was an episode I watched of you. You were
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  Speaker 1: about to sing and I'm, keep me honest. There was
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  Speaker 1: something about what you were wearing being sexy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it wasn't even like that crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't. And that scared me. I know.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, y'all scared of that. Wait till
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  Speaker 2: you see my contact.
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  Speaker 1: Did that ever. Wait till you see that new. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The new toy.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me if you ever. Do you see signs of
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  Speaker 1: this before?
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  Speaker 2: Like.
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  Speaker 1: What are the flags that women can look for? Because
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  Speaker 1: to me, that is some controlling stuff going on.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can try to think, I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: can try to have these conversations up front and be like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: if I, you know, someday decided that I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: be nude on the internet, how would you feel about that?
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, even, do you think that some of
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  Speaker 1: the signs from even the outfits when you're just singing?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, well, he never voiced that to me. Like, he
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  Speaker 2: never voiced that to me when I came out in
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  Speaker 2: my outfit and I was like, hey, what do you think?
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  Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, it's cute. I'm like, great.
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  Speaker 1: Then it's, it's later.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to know how people are going to feel.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's the really hard, the hardest part
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  Speaker 2: about a marriage truly is you have two people who
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  Speaker 2: are constantly evolving. And the concept that you guys are
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  Speaker 2: always going to evolve in the same direction or in
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  Speaker 2: a way that the other one is pleased with is like.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think it's because maybe you're too young? Do
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  Speaker 1: you feel like you have to be older?
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't young. I mean, I guess I was like
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  Speaker 2: 30 almost.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's not young. Yeah. I mean, but it is,
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  Speaker 1: but it isn't.
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  Speaker 2: It isn't. It depends on how long you make it,
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: But, you know, I just.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm coming to understand is I'm incredibly open-minded. And
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  Speaker 2: my thought was that everybody is sort of along that
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  Speaker 2: same path. And because my friends are that way, my
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  Speaker 2: family is that way. You see the president. Yeah. He's
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  Speaker 2: on my orbit. You know, and so I've just like
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  Speaker 2: kind of what I realized is that I think I
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  Speaker 2: had insulated myself with people who are like kind of
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  Speaker 2: like minded as me. And so it wasn't shocking to
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  Speaker 2: me like the things I was doing.
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  Speaker 1: So for people listening, because this makes me very curious,
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  Speaker 1: you obviously had the comments every day and Twitter and
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  Speaker 1: threads and whatever in your life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How much can that affect? Because there are people that's
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  Speaker 1: friends are in their relationships. What's really going on? Did
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  Speaker 1: that ever happen for you where it's like, oh, you
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  Speaker 1: know what? I didn't think of it like that. And
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  Speaker 1: now I'm angry.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I know I I'm pretty steadfast in my decisions.
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  Speaker 2: Like when I come down on something in my mind,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's how I feel about it. And
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  Speaker 2: the outside noise like doesn't truly affect me so much.
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  Speaker 2: What I've noticed is that I felt like it affected
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  Speaker 2: Guillermo and like my ex. Like I felt like he
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  Speaker 2: felt maybe OK about something. And then when the onslaught
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  Speaker 2: of the opinions came, he was like, oh, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: Now they've pointed out that I should be mad about
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  Speaker 2: this thing. And so now I'm going to press you
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  Speaker 2: on it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, does that does that also come into play
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  Speaker 1: when that family conversation happens about family viewing your videos
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  Speaker 1: or photos?
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea what he was talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Did you feel like that was real?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I could feel his anger in that moment.
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  Speaker 2: I was just I didn't know that they felt that
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  Speaker 2: way about me because they've never voiced that to me.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know, I thought that there was a chance
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  Speaker 1: that that couldn't be real and it was a way
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  Speaker 1: to make you feel bad.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not maybe I haven't.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like I'm not a fan of Guillermo either,
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  Speaker 1: because I am like I really enjoy you two as parents.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, he has redeeming qualities. I swear I didn't marry
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  Speaker 2: a complete idiot.
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  Speaker 1: No, like we all have to remember.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we are watching the
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  Speaker 1: most edited, some of the worst moments. They're not going
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  Speaker 1: to pick the amazing times. And, you know, sometimes in production,
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  Speaker 1: they're like putting you down to build you right back up.
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  Speaker 1: But it is very enjoyable to watch.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: The love story, even through breakups, I think you can
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  Speaker 1: still see how people are great. Yeah. There's people I
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  Speaker 1: hate for myself.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And there's people that I resent. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, some people get a bad edit. That's so real.
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  Speaker 2: Some people really do get a bad edit. And then
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  Speaker 2: some people are just really bad people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not hard.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't feel ever that either of you were bad people.
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  Speaker 1: But one thing I wondered was you seemed very confident
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  Speaker 1: in that moment. And I wondered, like, is this real
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  Speaker 1: or is she burning? And when I heard family come up,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine how I was like, I know she cares.
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  Speaker 1: But also you have to stand strong and being like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm an adult. This is private.
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  Speaker 2: Like, it's just outrageous to me to think that his family,
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  Speaker 2: for a video, which, again, I can empathize with the
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  Speaker 2: fact that that's not ideal. Like, and that maybe it
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  Speaker 2: flies in the face of their religious beliefs or, like,
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  Speaker 2: their backgrounds or whatever. But, like, they know me personally.
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  Speaker 2: They've spent time with me. They know who I am.
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  Speaker 2: They know my heart. And so it's hard for me.
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  Speaker 2: It becomes incredibly personal when, you know, that's my family.
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  Speaker 1: It is your family.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And so... They have never voiced to me specifically
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  Speaker 2: that they have an issue. I'm just hearing it through
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  Speaker 2: him for the first time. And so it's like, it's
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  Speaker 2: shocking and unfortunate, I think, you know, it's hard not
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  Speaker 2: to care.
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  Speaker 1: Do you consider or have any conversations? And this is
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  Speaker 1: interesting for the women that have reached out to you
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  Speaker 1: or the men that maybe want to get into sex
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  Speaker 1: work as well. Do you have prior conversations before you start?
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  Speaker 1: And what do those look like?
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  Speaker 2: Um, I spoke to, before I started the platform, I
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  Speaker 2: obviously spoke to Guillermo because we were still very much
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  Speaker 2: together at that time. I talked to my mom, who's
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  Speaker 2: like my tried and true biggest fan, but she's also
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  Speaker 2: very real with me and I can trust her opinion.
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  Speaker 2: And then, you know, I guess not getting approval from
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  Speaker 2: my friends, but just being like, oh, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: do this thing. And my friends are very used to
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  Speaker 2: me doing the most outrageous shit. So it's like not
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  Speaker 2: that shocking for them, but they're just like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: How did it start off? Was it like a foot? No,
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  Speaker 1: it was. I want to dip a toe in, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Flippery slope.
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  Speaker 2: I said that literally the other day. It started because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Guillermo and I, I was pregnant and we
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  Speaker 2: were renting and I was like, I'm a realtor and
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  Speaker 2: I don't own my own home. That for me was like,
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  Speaker 2: What are we doing? Um, and so Guillermo was freshly
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  Speaker 2: in the country. He didn't, he had like maybe just
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  Speaker 2: gotten his work papers. Like he was very much still
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  Speaker 2: figuring out what he was going to do for work.
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  Speaker 2: And so, you know, I'm making a baby, I'm having
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  Speaker 2: a baby, I'm like holding it down. I'm being a visionary.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't mind doing that in the short term.
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  Speaker 2: Like I know what I got myself into. Um, And
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  Speaker 2: so I thought, let me try to figure out a
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  Speaker 2: way to get like cash for down payment quick.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, this is so euphoria coded.
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  Speaker 2: Is it? I've never seen euphoria.
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  Speaker 1: She was like, I want these flowers. They're $ 50, 000. And
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  Speaker 1: Nate in the show, who's Jacob Valorti's fine ass, was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: she started OnlyFans. She's like, I'm going to get this
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  Speaker 1: thing I want. Let me tell you, you cannot tell
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  Speaker 1: a woman no when they want something. So this was
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  Speaker 1: initially to secure your house. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And then, and then.
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  Speaker 1: And you bought it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I ended up finessing away with my friends as
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  Speaker 2: like co-buyers to secure a house. It ended up becoming
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  Speaker 2: a rental property, blah, blah, blah. Because when I want something,
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  Speaker 2: I will figure out a way. So I have this
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  Speaker 2: one brewing over here and I'm doing that. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: also putting my feelers out. Like who can go in
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  Speaker 2: on us with a house and like help us secure
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  Speaker 2: it and da, da, da, da. Anyway, so we ended
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  Speaker 2: up getting this house and then I let the page
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  Speaker 2: die because I got what I wanted. I was like, great.
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  Speaker 2: Now we own a home. We have a safe house
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  Speaker 2: for our son. I feel good about that. Then him
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  Speaker 2: and I started really having issues. And I was trying
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  Speaker 2: to get back into music because I was finally coming
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  Speaker 2: out of the postpartum bubble. And I was like, I
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: want to do music again. I want to perform again.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: I want to get back out there and like feel
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: like myself and takes money, recording studios and time and marketing.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: It's not cheap. And so I was like, well, I
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: have this platform that's just kind of dead. Like I
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: could just revive it, you know? And because him and
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: I were struggling at that point and he was really
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: not helping at all. I was like, I'm gonna push the,
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: I'm going to, turn up the spice level. And it
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: wasn't nude yet, but it was more implied because before
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: it was truly just like photography boudoir. And that's when
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: I started incorporating like sexier videos, like a little bit
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: of like a lotion and some see-through lingerie. Like it
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: became a little more racy, but it's.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: Still- Do you think every woman that starts at that line,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: like right there, you're at a two. Let's say a
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: one is a bikini.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Two, three. Yeah. Do you think eventually it's almost inevitable
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: when you see the growth? It's hard.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. it's hard to say no to. I guess everybody has,
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: you know, I can't speak for everyone, but it is
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: very hard when you are like, oh, I did the
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: thing and I saw a direct increase in money. And
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: then you're like, oh, well, if I do it a
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: little more and then you're like, oh, well, that helped money.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: Imagine if I did this thing or that thing. And
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: so you really have to weigh like, what do I
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: feel comfortable with? And what am I willing to sell
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: it for? And how does the money make me feel?
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: And is it worth it in the long run? And
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: that's a very personal question and every individual person, you know,
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen someone's nipple on love and
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: hip hop before. I've seen it on television. Oh, the
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: double standards are insane. I'm sure.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Casted Hollywood celebrities go full nude, full frontal, get paid
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: millions of dollars and win Emmys and are praised by
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: the general public.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: And then I do it.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I was going to name stuff, but I was like,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: let's be nice.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: You know, I do it. I don't get the envy,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: but like I get publicly humiliated. I get dragged by
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: my ex-husband on a national TV show. I have a
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: network making lots of money from me being shamed. They
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: don't give a fuck. You know, it's like, it's so wild. But,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: you know, they say everybody's crazy till you do it, right?
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: That's that thing with a dream, with a whatever. It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: She's crazy until she does it.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: And also, there's the thing, right? One of my girlfriends
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: that doesn't watch the show and I, she saw the clip.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: And sent it to me and was like, oh my God,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: has this girl been in your orbit yet? In your world?
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Because it's very aligned. And her and I started talking
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: about it. And she goes, you know, something that she
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: can't say, but we all feel. My friend who was
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: having this conversation with me is in her 50s. She's like,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: she looks good. She's on a show. It won't last forever.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Who wouldn't do this? Thank you. I think that what
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: starts to happen in some of the comment sections is
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: this false sense of, Morality. Oh, absolutely. But also, I
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: actually believe, and I've already done a pilot for a
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: reality show, once you do it, you already sell yourself out.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: It can't get worse.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Than reality TV.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: The cat's already out of the bag. Once you go there,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: it's like, I have nothing left to lose in a sense.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: But it's not like I'm so destitute and I'm just like,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: fuck it, I don't have any self-worth or anything like that.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: It's more like, once you... bare your soul on TV,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: for example, in my case. It's like, we've done a
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: lot and it's very personal and it's all up for judgment. Like,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: at this point, it's like.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: You know, there's so many things I would rather do
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: OnlyFans first before. Like, I would rather do OnlyFans have
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: nudity on screen and everywhere before being on a show
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: and being a bad friend.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I would rather that than being blackout drunk and wasted.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: There's so many things I would rather experience. I ain't
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: gonna hold you. Love her and hate her. I don't
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: know if you're watching the new season of a certain show.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: There's a woman on it that is making out with
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: men while married. And it's constant clips.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, is this on my show? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: And they call her the tea mummy. That's how I
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: came to know her.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I hadn't heard of her.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: And then I saw I was tagged on it.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: When I tell you, you know what kills me? She
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: actually says a few things like, I just want to
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: be a little hoe, not a big hoe. And, you know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: it's funny and it's cheeky.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: That lives in all of us, doesn't it?
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: It's so disrespectful to people that are genuinely consensual, non-monogamous, ethical.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And it's actually hard for me to watch. I would
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: be the one in the comments section going harder on
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: that than I would someone that's deciding to provide for
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: their kid. But at the end of the day, we're
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: in an era where it's really hard to feel comfortable
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: with sexuality. But why, though? It's 2026.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: It's not the 1800s. Like, what the fuck? Like, I'm
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: so confused. Why?
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: How?
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: We have all of these resources at our fingertips, all
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: of the education, all of the data and info. And
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: somehow we're still holding women captive in their own bodies.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what is going on?
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I really believe the other layer of it that probably
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: makes it harder is people feeling like you chose it
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: over a marriage. I think.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: And he wasn't providing people the fuck. You want me
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to go be hungry because that's fair. Like, get out
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: of here. What do you.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Now, that is an interesting one. Is it literally money
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: work over love?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: No, him and I had him and I were struggling.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: well before I decided.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: That's what it appeared. Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Him and I, I didn't know it was for him.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe he wants to lean on the fact that, oh,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: she became a sex person because it's polarizing and it's
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: easy for people to choose a side. It's not that
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: he was not a provider. He did not support me
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: in the things that I did. He tried to make
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: me feel small and I had to do everything.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: If it wasn't the providing, if it wasn't providing for
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you in the ways that you needed as a wife,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: do you think you could have pushed it forward? Or
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: do you believe that there would have always been something
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: as compatibility No.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: He was never going to be the person for me.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: And I started to understand that after the fact. Obviously,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: if I had felt that way prior, I would have
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: never married him. Right. What I understood after we came
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: to the United States and we were moving through things,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, he has serious issues with follow through.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: He has serious. It's a lot of lip service, says
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of shit. I'm like, oh, great. That sounds lovely.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: But when push comes to shove, he's not doing it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: His communication's not great. His follow-through's not great. These are
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: things that now I'm understanding are important to me because
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: they were lacking. Like, but you don't know till you
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: know or until someone shows.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: You, right?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Because I was trusting his word. I was trusting his word.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And then he wasn't doing the things. So people can
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: try to make it like I chose sex work over
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: my husband. But no, I chose myself and my well-being
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: and my future over being with someone that was never
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: going to be on my work ethic level.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Now, speaking of your level... Another thing that I, and
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: maybe because I'm in this world, so I understand. I
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: know a paralegal that doesn't show her face on OnlyFans.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: It's making about 55K a month and still is a paralegal.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: For some reason, people... They was like, her face is
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: on there and there's no way she's making that much money.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Why do you think it's so unbelievable? Do you think
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that they believe you inflated those numbers just so that
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: it could make it better?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I don't. Maybe people don't believe
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: in me and that's fine. I don't need anyone to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: believe in me, but I don't know. And I think
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: my language in that clip is very important, too. I said,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: has the potential to. And I said, gross.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: You did. Yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Right. So I think people just heard a number and
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: ran with it. And so I've had months under six
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: figures and I've had months over six figures. And it
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: just depends on what's happening.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Boudoir or not. Right.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: It's not only boudoir or not boudoir. It's also it
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: was talked about day in and day out on every
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: episode of my last season for 15 weeks. I don't
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: think that's the biggest free advertising in the world. You
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: were wrong.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: There are two people. That I jumped to OnlyFans for.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: It was Bad Baby. Oh, shit, yeah.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: What?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: What's happening? I was like, this is crazy. And literally yours.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I was like, and now I'm laughing about it because
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I remember joining and being like, oh, she's not naked.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Now that that was a while ago. Right, right. Tell
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: me now what type of content people can expect to
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: see from you and what you're like excited to make.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's kind of a mix right now. I
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: kind of try to share a little bit of everything,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: like just from like my day-to-days getting ready, which I'll
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: be a little more exposed to.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: That's fun.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Right, like a window truly into my life. And then
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: we do have that more like targeted, explicit, like for
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: said pleasure experience. But I also want to provide a platform,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: kind of like a Patreon or like just a paywall
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: type site where it's like, for example, I'm going to
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: get my boobs done and I'm going to lay out
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: that full, like kind of vlog style there. And I'm
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: going to hint at it on my socials. But if
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you want to see the true before and afters, you
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: will be able to access that data there.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: It's basically a crowdfunding platform. I have a friend of
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: mine that put a comedy special on it because OF
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: paid him to do it. Now, when... Let's talk about boobs. Okay.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: These are 14 years old. Oh, wow.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Wait, you don't even look 14 years old. I....
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I want to know because now everybody's like, she just
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: wants to get dead so she can make more money.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, hopefully they will pay for themselves.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the goal. That low-key... I could see
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: a fan being like, let me get the left. I'll
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: put it on one of the nipples. I'm sure someone.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I'm paying for all of them. Right.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Because I don't like people to like have claim over
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: my body. I'm not letting no man feed my titties.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I let no nobody. I'm getting them. And if they
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: happen to, you know, repay for themselves through the paywall,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: then great. But no, I mean, it's just like I've
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: always said I was going to get boobs. My both
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: of my sisters have boobs. My mom's had boobs. I
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: always jokingly say it runs in my family.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: That's very funny. Isn't it interesting? Boobs are like the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: plastic surgery where you're like, oh, Yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's kind of not run in
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the middle.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's just us.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's very common. I don't know. In my family,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: it was very common. We were petite, skinny, flat chested women.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: It's just, that's what it is. So it's like very
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: normal for us to go get boob jobs. And I
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: think that's okay. It has nothing to do. I would
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: have gotten them regardless of whether I did sex work
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: or not, just for the record.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was, I was a young gal and then
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: in her early twenties, and I literally was just like,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I need a little something.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I think it's a rite of passage.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: A boob is like.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: As a woman.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: At this point, it's Botox.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: To have big jiggling boobies. I want to just, I
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: feel like before I lay on my deathbed, I need
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: to know what it's like to feel the bouncing bob.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Like the.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: It's going.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: To be a while before they bounce.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Well, that's fine.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: You got to massage them. One of my gay besties
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: would come over and literally rub them around. I'll come over. Okay, great. Oh, great. Now...
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I want to also get into, because at the end
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: of the day, people need to understand that every time
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: you do an interview like this, every time you get
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: on a TV show, every time you sign another check,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you're literally promoting yourself. And this is the purpose. So
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: walk me through exactly how, if somebody was going to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: spend their money on you, how it would work from
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a digital space. This is someone that lives in Kansas.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: That's like, I want to support. Oh, what toy are
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: they buying? Are they buying privates? Are they doing the ratings?
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: What are you doing there?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Luckily for all of you, I do lots of shit.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: So it's like, no matter what you're into, I probably
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: have something for you. So first I like to always
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: shout out my music. So I'm on every platform streaming.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: My music just helps me claim space. It's like not
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: a huge moneymaker, but it does help drive shows. And
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: eventually it does come back to my pocket.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: And your music is in Spanish, right?
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So right now I have all Bachata singles. We
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: are releasing a really fun song. I don't know, should
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I drop it? It's called Freak Bitch. And it's really,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: we're just like target market.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: In Bachata?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: No, it's not Bachata. It'll be my first English drop
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: that's not Bachata. I'm working with a producer named Jake
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Bass who works with like, out of Detroit with like
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: D12 and Eminem and all of them. It's really, really,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: really cool. So we're doing my first English song drop
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: like later this year. I'm also releasing, you know, a
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: sex toy, a.k.a. a flashlight that's molded after me. So
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: if that's what you're into, you can also find that.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Now, I heard from Lena the Plug. So I do
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a TV show called Sex Cells.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, nice.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: And basically I interview adult businesses and seeing how they
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: make money and just viewing them as entrepreneurs. So I
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: was with Lena the Plug, who is in the top 1%
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: of creators, by the way.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: She even bought a home to do content in and
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: give it to other creators. I have to hook you
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: two up. You guys would actually be fun together. Like
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a bop house, right?
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Is that what it's called? Is that not accepted anymore?
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Is that rude? What's it called? A bop house? Yeah,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think you could. No, she bought like one
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: that they're actually like doing live scale production.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, my bad. My God, I'm so sorry to
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: that woman.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: But when we talked about her fleshlight, she was like, yeah,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I actually had to be aroused and engorged for it
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: to work.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, that wasn't the case for me. But hers
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: is like, I mean, what does hers do that mine doesn't?
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't have to be engorged, I guess.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically she was like, it was better for me
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to be like turned on.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: They did not size up.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe because of the instrument. I guess.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: But they didn't, you know, mine was just paper mache-ed
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: really on the outside.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, yours was the outside. I think hers was in.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no. And I did wonder. I was like, y'all
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: going to put me upside down and fill me up? Like,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: how's this going to work?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: And like, I got to stay like that? Like an
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: inversion table?
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: And that's how it was. Is it in or out?
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Mine? Mm-hmm. I think it's a.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Your man in the boat. Is it covered or is
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: it open?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's covered mostly.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, should we buy the.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Honestly, you have to buy it and let me know.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Is it in any.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to give it away to one of
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the people that were high on our Patreon. Like, I love.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's in any.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's... Yeah. What's another... Now that you've made that,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: what's another toy or creation?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: What brand is making it for you?
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Doc Johnson.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Doc Johnson.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who's wonderful. They are just, they've been so nice
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: to work with and like made everything. Because, you know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I think everybody's like, oh, it must be like icky
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: or like gross or like feel kind of like weird.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: And it just absolutely doesn't.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Do I have a date night tip for y'all? It's
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: called Klona Willie. They also have Klona Pussy. Stop. Oh, exactly.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I did it on sex sells with my gay bestie.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And it was funny because you have to be hard.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: He was like, stop looking at me. But basically, it's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: like a really fun thing to do with your partner.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And you literally get to mold yourself. Yeah. So this
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: is not.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: See, that's what I'm saying. This is like normal in
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: my circles. Like these kinds of conversations, these kinds of concepts,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: like it's not mind blowing. So when you deliver this
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: to you, You know, regular America and it's like not
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: everybody's like normal life experience. It just shows me. I
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, damn, I'm like way more out there
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: than I thought.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: What's the thing you wish you could get across? Actually,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this. What's a comment that's actually
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: hurt your feelings?
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: When it comes to me being a mother, that's always
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: been the hardest one for me to like deal with emotionally.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, people, I mean, it starts out when you
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: get on TV initially, it's like any feedback feels painful,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: but then it's like a muscle. And the more you take,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: like the, you know, the less you're like, whatever. The
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: hardest one was when I was going through my separation
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: and I couldn't talk about it. No one knew what
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I was going through publicly. And you're not allowed to
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: talk until it's not allowed. And sometimes even like years later,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: you're not, it just depends on the NDA. It's very
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: hard to be going through something so personal and so
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: raw and And like, I'm a first time parent, you know,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: and like you as a parent, you always want to
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: do your best. You always want to do your best
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and like help, you know, protect your son or protect
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: your children and be the best you can be. And
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: so to have this onslaught of people who don't know
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: you commenting on something so personal, that was the hardest.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And that that's the only time I ever went to
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: my therapist and was like, how do I deal with
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: public feedback? And he was like, what's going on? And
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, I've been, you know, in dealing with
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: this for so long. And this is the first time
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: that like, it keeps me.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Up at night.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: And like, it's bothering me. Like to that degree.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: That makes me emotional because... It's so hard. I can
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: tell how much you care. It's like a lot of
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: your story as well. So it's like, damn, like, I
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what gives people... Well, of
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: course we do. They're faceless. We can't find them. To me,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the one that hurts me the most actually to this day,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: even though at the beginning of my 10 years, I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: was in a non-monogamous relationship with a woman and then
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: we got a boyfriend and I've kind of been this
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: way forever. And my mom's known about it and down
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and taking us all out to eat, whatever. The thing
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: that's killed me is when people say that I'm doing
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: it for a man. People say that I'm living this
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: lifestyle to please men.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: That's so.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: But you know what? I actually did see a comment
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: about you that says, Kara's all about the male gaze.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, is it because I'm appearing
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: sexier than most of the cast members that you're watching
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: right now? Like, because Shekinah to me is super sexy,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: but also we're not giving that to her.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I think women are just really not allowed to be confident.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I think women are not allowed to feel themselves. I
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: think women are not allowed to express themselves freely. And
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: then when we do, people have to try to dumb
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: it down or make it feel smaller. And it's like, nah,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I don't do shit for anything but myself, like selfishly.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And like, I guess if you really want to go
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: in the throes of psychology, like maybe subconsciously deep down somewhere,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like looking for approval from someone, but that's not
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: how it goes, how I go into a situation. I'm
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: not like, I just want to have all the men
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: just fawn over me.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I go into a space and I live my truth.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And if the guys take note of it, then fine.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: It's going to get really bad when you have tits,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I don't. They're going to hate you.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: And that's fine. And I think, you know, what haters
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: are my motivators and they pay my bills too.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: And it's great.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't care how people view me or see
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: me or interpret me is not Your business, yeah. It's
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: not my issue. You know, I love me. I'm getting
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: boobs for me. I love my son. I do the
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: things for my son. I provide for my son.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I move according to myself, period.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: What could be the next thing for you, whether it
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: be TV again or, like, what would be on your checklist? Like, yeah,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I did it. I feel like music was probably it, but... Yeah.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, always performing is, like... I mean, real,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: real big goals. I want to just be an EGOT,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: but doesn't everybody....
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: No, actually, no, they don't.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: No, but like I love musical theater and I love
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: like I want to get. Oh, my God.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I could so see you doing like cooler off Broadway.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I want to do whatever.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I love media.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I love performance. I love art. I love connecting with people.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I love all of these things. So it's like I
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: want to host carpets. I want to be on carpets.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I want to have podcasts. I want to do interviews.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I love this whole entertainment space. And so I think.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I really am learning and I've learned that it's like
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: the journey. So it's like, I could say like, this
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: is my top goal, but I'm just excited to do everything.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Like every opportunity, like sitting here with you, I'm like,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: hell yeah, I want to do that. Like that feels
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: so up my alley and like something that's like on
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: my like bucket list. I want to do every interview.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I want to do everything. I want to connect with people.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I want to, and now what I'm understanding, I think
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: is my purpose is to really give a voice for
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: moms who want to do anything other than just be
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: barefoot in the fucking kitchen.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I would actually make this podcast. And the reason I
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: would make it is because I think anybody getting divorced
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: that I know has a really big slump as far
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: as self-esteem and how they're feeling. And I think that
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: something that women aren't really connecting with you because they
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: feel like you let your own marriage go is the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: fact that this is a champion story. Like this is
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a mom being like, I don't know. I'm going to
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: let this go. I'm going to do my own thing.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be sexy, feel sexy. This is still...
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: People don't do sex work. There's choice and circumstance, right?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: This was your choice. There's women that have to do this, right?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: And I want to make sure that we acknowledge that too.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: There's a mom, City High song, we all know, that's
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: had to do this to feed her kid. Necessarily, is
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: that your story? No, but.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Well, everybody's buried for injury is different, right?
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And I think that there's also a place to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: understand that sex work is enjoyable. One of my most
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: controversial episodes is a pastor that said there's no happy hoes.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, that's not true. Okay, Mama, tell
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: me and tell everybody how they can support you. We
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: heard about the toy.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I have obviously Spotify. You can support
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: me for my music. You can see me on OnlyFans.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: And I do lots of various levels of content there.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I have a toy. Various levels, y'all.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Various levels. Everything from like cutesy vloggy stuff to more
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: explicit for pleasure experience. And I have a toy that
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: you can buy also. Yay!
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: All the links are going to be in the description
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: of this YouTube. Hope you enjoyed this chat. If you
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: want more, hold on. We got to do more of this.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Where it's really, you know, we have a very fun show.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: We have to go into it.