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Masters of the Universe w/ Shem Pennant · Everyone's A Critic

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to everyone the critics.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: The show where a guest picked a movie rated below 40% on Rotten Tomatoes and tells us why critics got it wrong.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Yannis Cove, a formerly pretentious film school student.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: My guest today is Infro Veter, Writer, and Podcaster, Shem Pennan.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: I just did some polite applause for myself.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh hi.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Hello.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: How are you doing, Shem?
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, for real?
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm we're recording we're recording in in Brooklyn in the middle of a full-on race riot.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: So great day to be recording this.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I I mean it's it's wild.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I was like, oh cool, I'll distract myself by like watching Master of the Universe.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then the the cafe, the Denny's place where Courtney Cox's character works, uh was uh you might be familiar with it from the footage of the Rodney King beating, uh, which was like 30 years ago.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, like um I did not realise that.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't recognise it from the black and white footage.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it was like, oh, this is inescapable.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but yeah, um, that's how I'm doing.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I literally uh it's it's it I'm here on a visa and the government monitors my social media uh and I can't I cannot uh say anything very publicly uh or go to any protests or get arrested or get in any kind of trouble or get deported.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so I've just been like stuck inside with like sirens and like flares wailing, or you'd see like these big people congregating outside my house or like very close to it, uh all saying things I'm gonna be controversial but kind of believe in.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then it's just okay.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I guess I'll watch Dolph Longren and Gwildor do battle.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: They'll give me my justice.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh um, so let's see, like what what's your history with this movie?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh have you told people what the movie is?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: No, I haven't.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's Master of the Universe.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: Masters of the Universe.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was called Master of the Universe until you s until you requested it.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: I know nothing I knew nothing about He-Man outside of like the memes.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, uh, you're slightly younger than I am.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but He-Man was like um huge when I was like little.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there was like the toys were like really big.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: It was He-Man and Thundercats and G.I.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: Joe.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um they made like uh and Transformers um for uh that segment of the audience.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: But uh the Thundercats, they had an animated music movie, it was huge.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, they didn't.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking out of my ass.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the Transformers Transformers had an animated movie, it was huge, it was great.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like one of those, like actually it's pretty good.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and it has like great songs in it.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh Weird Al has like uh Dare to be stupid, there's you got the touch.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it um it it felt like oh this is like an actual like good movie.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a good movie, it's just really fine.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're like dumb and the child uh as I was, I was like, oh it's like a movie, they they die, and it's like sadness.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's the first time I came in touch with my emotions.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then Thundercats was like huge, and it's like a really cool like uh TV show again, like cool uh cool graphics, cool songs, like all the fun, like memeable stuff.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then He-Man was also like a really cool range of toys.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: They had all these different like figures and like um like cars and tanks and like just cool stuff.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like it felt like very cool.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, oh wow, there's like a He-Man movie that's really, really exciting.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then this sounds like it's from a million years ago where now every single like toy or cartoon or emoji gets a movie.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so it's like uh like watching back, I was like, I cannot it's so antiquated and foreign how excited I was that there was a movie about uh a toy or a cartoon where now like of course like it's crazy.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: I looked it up in like all the trigger and everything, and and the first thing it said was like this was the very first uh movie that came from a toy, basically.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: Which is like that it's not even that long ago when you think about it really.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's like 87 or something, so I don't like and then now it's just like it's saying it's everything.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: Every single movie is just coming from some kind of uh creation.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like stuff like there's nothing original.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I mean, yeah.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: I I always uh I there was also there are always movies coming out like uh across the spectrum, you're just not watching them.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: And by you I mean whoever is complaining about.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't alive when this came out.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I use every time I use the uh plural you in capitals that I remember from like Bible study, uh, it's hard to differentiate, but like uh people like you know, there will always be like independent movies or fun, like cool different movies, or like uh weird movies from like other countries that are like fascinating and like have different like tropes and structures.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like um yeah, if you don't like big trashy movies, just don't watch them.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's there's other movies out there.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's there's content for everyone, uh more or less.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but like I also found it.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um my this was uh a movie that I had on uh a video home system cassette, uh, which was like a big old uh clunky tape that you'd like put in and rewind.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: And we grew up with almost no money.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we had like very few like movies uh that you'd own.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um you'd like normally just tape them off the TV.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: But for some reason, uh my very cheap father had like he didn't it's a long boring story, but he didn't like uh he he did like a lot of building and construction work and he was like renovating this woman's house, and at the end of it she said, uh I don't really have money to pay you.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and she gave him like a TV and a video player, which is how we got like a TV and a video player, and it just came with like some videos, uh, one of which was um like some like Flight of Dragons, I think, some weird like animated um uh movie, one was like a 1940s black and white uh movie, and one was this Master of the Universe, and we were so excited.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was obviously legitimately pissed about not getting paid for his labour.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and like I fully see how fucked up that was, but like we were like so stoked that we're like getting a TV with a video player, and then we had this uh movie and we would just watch it over and over again because it's one of the few movies you'd have, uh, and it had no uh there was nothing in it that had to be like censored or like cut out.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so that was like really, really cool, and like it was only so and it's just like you latch onto things when you're younger that you think, oh, this is cool or great, this is the this is my version of excitement.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: I miss most of the cool movies that other people loved, so I didn't see them.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so it was like really interesting uh finding out that people consider this movie bad, or like the the other canon group of films was like, Oh, these are like trashy movies, like oh I love canon movies, they're like so cool.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I associate the big C logo with like I'm about to have a good old time.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like I've seen so many Canon movies and like love them or enjoyed them or have like a strong connection with them.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like I thought breaking was great, like uh they uh like the Canon film group that made it like the Golden and Globus.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: There's an amazing documentary on them called uh Electric Boogaloo.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's just on YouTube or whatever, but it's so cool because there were just these two Israeli um dudes who like uh would just make movies and they'll just pump out movies like uh like 40 movies a year or something ridiculous like that.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: And they made so many like uh at one point they just had a pile of scripts coming in, and they'd go the for the two Chucks, uh Chuck Norris or Charles Chuck Bronson, and they're just like this is a chuck, this is Norris one, this is a Bronson one, and they'd all be like kind of like bad action movies, or like uh yeah, they were just they were just really really cool.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: So like anyway, this was like it was in that era, it was just like pumping out a cool movie, and it felt really really cool.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: You can see all the money on the screen, it's just really uh exciting and fun.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's it's like humour, there's like costumes, there's action, uh it it's like and it had my favourite thing as well, um, which is like so there's movies where they're fantastical, like Flash Golden or something like that.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: I love all that shit.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: But I love it when uh they uh they they bring the fantasy to the earth, uh where they like the fish out of water uh tropes, which like they do this in like things like Beastmaster 2 or uh I think Star Trek 4, but I love it when like You were going like deep with your references now.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: Beastmaster 2.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I mean for fans of the original Beastmaster, uh that's Beastmaster 2 is wild.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: There's like this weird portal where the Beastmaster goes from his land to like LA and sees like like there's he drives past a movie showing Beastmaster 1.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's a whole fun other thing.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but yeah, uh I I love when you have all this like weird crazy sorry uh I love when you have this weird crazy world like with sci-fi elements or are fancy, then they get sucked through some kind of portal, and they end up in whatever era the film is set in, uh, and they have to try to adjust to uh that time, and it's always like hilariously of the time, so we're like, Hey man, what's going on?
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: This is 1982, you can't do that, uh, or like whichever.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is the 90s, we don't tolerate that kind of nonsense.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and like they it it's a fun because the filmmakers always hilariously out of touch, so you get to see their interpretations of uh modern events uh uh and such.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so it combined those two things, it was like really fantastical, really like cool, uh, and then you have them coming to like Earth and hanging out, uh, which is like, oh, what a win.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: That was a very, very long history with this movie.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: You knew who you invited on.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: That is true.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, so when so you I guess you watched it around like but yeah, how old were you when you first watched it?
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember?
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um no, but uh if it came out in 87, it was on tape on 88.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: So like between like 8 and 8 and 14, I would have seen it like multiple times.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's like that's cool.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like how old were you when you first watched it?
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: 31 perfect age.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, really, really not.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um it so like did it you do you feel like it shaped your like movie going uh your movie experience in or your like taste in movies around that time?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um no.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it like I uh feel like it was just a thing I w like because I uh I watched what was available rather than what was sought out.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, oh I have this, I have this video, I'm gonna watch it.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: I also had the weird movie called Flight of Dragons.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'd never heard of it referenced again.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was like a fantastical uh children's animated film, had it, so I watched it.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh then uh some Jackie Chan movies came on channel four, got to like take them, uh had them, so I watched them.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: That was like very influential.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like I uh love those, and that's what led me to like train and like become like a mediocre martial artist.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: That was like fun.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then like every time I discovered like a new thing and like got into it, I'd be like, oh cool, this is like great.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um like maybe in a way, like I do still love um, you know, I like that though I do like still like those kind of movies, they don't make them as much anymore, uh, or they're not as like fun, or they are all uh laden with the themes of the time.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so like if I can't imagine like a modern movie like this now being made that would be like campy and fun and enjoyable, it would be more uh serious or po-faced, or like I guess like Marvel movies are like the equivalent.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if you're gonna be able to do that.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was gonna say like the closest thing to it is Thor, but even that's like not campy as much as this like nowhere near as campy.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Thor Ragnarak uh is high camp, like Yeah, I don't know.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: I there's something miss it it's just like it doesn't have that like cheap element to it though that this one does.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: I uh yeah, well uh they have a multi-million dollar budget.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Although this was like very expensive uh for movies at the time it bankrupted the studio.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but it was also a cheap studio.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't like a it wasn't like a massive studio.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh oh, Canon was huge.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh in terms of the in terms of the amount of films they put out, uh like if you like like 80s movies uh and then you look at a list of all the big Canon hits, you'll be like, oh shit, they did like so many of them.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Canon is like the UCB of its time where it's like this terrible, like weird place that kept pumping out all these people, where like if you don't like know or care about it, and then you suddenly go, Oh no, all these people came from this place, it has that same that's what I mean.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: It has that same kind of like oh this place is whatever, but then you look at the list of people who've like come through and it's like, oh wow, that's amazing.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and Canon had that same effect of like terrible, uh badly run, and could not manage their money.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: I maybe there are more parallels, but like um they had like so many like this film and this film and this film and this film and this film, uh, which was like cool, and like um their mistakes uh were also like part like so many people do everything right and like do films as they should, and they end up being like formulaic or like bad.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they had this sort of throw shit at the wall type approach, which was chaos and like terrible, but led to all these like unique, curious like things which shouldn't work, um or like but like last or like you remember or like they connect with you more than things which are technically perfect but forgettable.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: So like uh should we go over the plot of the film then?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Let's let's discuss the y you try.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay, so I have some very pointed questions for you about why like what's what okay, so start off.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: What's the deal with He-Man?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: What's his like power set?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like what's what is he?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: So you want to know what I know what my knowledge is of it from watching this now.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: He has the power.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Quote 10 out of 10, you passed.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's I didn't even think that was his catchphrase.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: I thought his I thought his catchphrase was uh by the power of Grey Skull.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it is, but it's also it's like by the power of the Grey Skull.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh is there more to it?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think he is like he picks up his sword, goes by the power of Grey Skull, and he says, I have the power, uh, and then just is the same he-man he was uh before.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like nothing changes.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know entirely what he does.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: He has like some kind of sword that does something, he doesn't I don't know, and then he can occasionally like fly on things, but it's not really explained.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: And that's about it.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: He has a sword and he also has like a blaster and he uses them interchangeably, which uh clearly aping a lot of the Star Wars tropes.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, it opens when it opens, it's such a ripoff of Star Wars.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: The opening scene is such a rip-off of Star Wars.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I was saying about The Rise of Skywalker too.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was not a fan of that.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: So this is such a rip-off of Star Wars.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, I I um uh yeah.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh so you you have a He-Man has the power.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh what's the Skeletor's deal?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Skeletor, he wants he wants to just like rule the universe, I guess.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like he none of them have technically have powers until until they do, and then they don't do anything with them.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh see this movie connected with you.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and then I don't understand any of them.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: I I like I don't understand the characters, I don't understand their purpose in this.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't realise two of them were a father and daughter until about halfway through the film.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and you're referring to uh the two that I didn't take their names down of because I don't think they man at arms that much.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: What are their names?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Man at arms is the character I know.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Man at arms, yes, man at arms.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh which is why when she said you need a woman's touch, she comes out and blasts everyone, then turns to the camera and goes, Woman at arms.
• 16:49
  unknown: Ha!
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah uh that's why that happened.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I wrote that down and I was like very funny to me.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um teela's uh her name.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: What's her name?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: Tila.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: Man of arms, teila.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Gwildor.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Gwildor! Gwildor, who when he showed up, I said, What is that?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Is he supposed to be a leprechaun?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: Is he supposed what is he supposed a troll?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is he supposed to be?
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think the so this was written by the same dude who wrote Dark Crystal uh and worked in the Muffet's movies, and I was like, gotta pull a puppet in.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's not wrong.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: I love Guildo as a child, love him now.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he's the uh some of the classic comic relief uh to do some of the heavy lifting that Dolph Longwin can't.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I think there was like if you watch like the cartoons of He-Man, a reboot of which is coming to Netflix uh very soon, um they have uh Orco.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they didn't have Orco in this for some reason.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so they they put in like Will Door as like that wild like uh character.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen Thundercats?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um probably when I was a child, I don't remember it though.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's a character in Thundercats called Schnaff, uh who just goes, uh and they're just like they just always throw in one like semi-useless character as like comic relief uh to like hang out uh like every Chuck D needs a flavor flav.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and so Wildo is the flavor flav of the Masters of the Universe, universe.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: I I disagree.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think he is the only he is the only one that has any purpose in this build.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: He's the only one that brings well, he starts everything off because he's the one that's created the key.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so that starts everything off.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then he's the only one that can bring them back from Earth as well.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the only way that he's the only reason that anything is happening in this.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I disagree that he has no fur, like he's comic relief only.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: He does drive a lot, he does drive a lot of the plot uh after he clear clears his gill slits.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: He I grew to like him, actually.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I still don't understand what he is supposed to be.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: He's a he's a locksmith.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he has like a cool apartment with like fun stuff like scattered around, which was like exactly like my apartment right now.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then it's like the fun little joke where he puts all the like little weird, like cool like latches and bolts, and he puts like one of those classic 80s like door stoppers on right at the end, and I was like, this movie gets it.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's very, very 80s this movie.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean it it can't it can't not be.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't I so okay.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: Also, I didn't know Courtney Cox was in this until she showed up.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know Courtney Cox was in Friends until I started watching it, and I was like, oh, from Moss of the Universe.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's so cool.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: She's done well.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, please tell me that was like five years ago or something as well.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Just when it came to HBO Max, like I was like, well, I should check out these rich white people in New York.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: You only learned last week.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but yeah, um, yeah, like that's this is my first exposure to Courtney Cox.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh does a great job, really, really uh good in this movie, except when she sells everyone out with that weird mother sequence.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh which oh yeah.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: That her whole plot is just like it comes out, it's so left field, it just like takes a massive touch.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: So it's all very lighthearted and everything in this like sci-fi film.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then suddenly it's like, oh, and by the way, my parents are dead, and and I'm dealing with that, and they die in a plane crash that I feel like I caused because I told them to go.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I wanted to stay behind to stay see you.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: That is a very 80s plot move.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then, like, the and then the boyfriend is just like uh he's he's very much just like, uh, oh, there's nothing you can do though.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like that is brutal.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, 80s boyfriends were bad.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you look at like almost every relationship in the 80s, you're like, oh, that guy sucks.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um that it's also uh great when uh that that plot device uh of her dead parents is like, why am I being told this?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Then you go to when they're searching through her house and they ping up the newspaper article of it, and then the film like literally almost stops and tells you this will come in handy later.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Remember this.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, so it's just I don't know, there's it just feels like her her and uh what's his name?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh The Boyfriend.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: I watched sorry?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: The boyfriend?
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: His name is Kevin.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: The boyfriend is almost less generic than Kevin.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: Is his name not Kevin?
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, if you c the if you call them the boyfriend or if you call them Kevin, it would be almost equally generic.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: And he he is the very he's a very typical 80s boyfriend in that he's and also like he's a very typical 80s person in in in that he's like um oh I'm gonna uh I'm I'm gonna play my guitar and and learn I play all the keyboard and I I I'm a musician in an in a teen band and I w I just want to make it for myself.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just like that is just the typical 80s plot of like sticking one of those people in there.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: And he's not interested in the slightest.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I loved him when I was a kid.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, wow, this cool guy's like got a girlfriend, like has a car.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: This cool guy's got a girlfriend.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I mean, when you're eight, uh, this cool guy's got a girlfriend, this car like plays a guitar, like rocks out, uh, and those synthesizers and about Japanese music.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how exciting.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: They made it like uh, oh, it must be Japanese because it's weird.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, in 1987, that was almost 100% correct.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like any any other time period, that'd be wildly racist.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: But like in 1987, forgivable.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was just like, oh Japanese technology, what uh and it and and honestly, that that that shop item was pretty right.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's that it sounded like it was like an FM synthesizer from like a Yamaha DX7 or something like that, when they're boom, boom, boom, boom.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like they and they are just playing like synth chords, like it sounds like they're doing this the the standard synth patch for a distorted electric guitar uh on like a Casio had like almost the exact same uh sound.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: So every time they played like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, uh, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I I truly can play this, like it, and it is uh like a Japanese synth.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's weird when the uh uh when the high school uh when the principal from Back to the Future is like, I don't think this is a synthesizer, and I was like, You have nothing to disprove at.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: You've you've held it, it has like guitar straps, and you went like you should you should think that's a synthesizer.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, the principal from Back to the Future is the cop you're talking about.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the also the worst character in this whole film.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: What are you has left the zoom?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, do you love him in this?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: I love everyone in this.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think this movie is good.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, absolutely.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's let's okay, let's talk about it then.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: What what do you like about it?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um I watched it when I was eight.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's why that's essentially what I like about it.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: But you also said, like before we started, you said you watched this last night again.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: So and you obviously and you picked it for a reason.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it just reminds me of being a fun little kid at simpler times.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then like it it's it's it's great in that it's not the moves aren't logical, they don't make sense, people are a little bit cheesy or like a hammer up, uh, which is like fine and good.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you have all these like very clear um like character type, so you know what they're saying.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like the the the copper's like, what are you doing?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on?
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't understand this.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, this is bad.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but he's also like a pretty solid guy when he's like, hey, in there's your buddies getting sharp out there, and he sets him out when he like takes that to them with with like he grabs his shotgun and tries to like shoot skeletal scars and like yeah, cool, get him.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's fun.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: When he like chills out right at the end when he decides to like hang out in the turn, you're like, I think I pretty much like it here.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, wow, like uh all I needed in the last scene was for the Aturnians to give him a wig, like for someone to like to for He-Man to go, I have the power, or Gwilldle to like hit some buttons and for like hair to grow, and then him to like get like that would have been amazing.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's the only note I have is that he should have been given been given some like prominent like follicle treatment towards the end, and then him to go, oh this place is really good.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like classic 80s how dust who like softens perfect.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the man at arms and um teela pairing, really fun side characters, uh like really fun like dad uh daughter dynamic, which you don't see much in movies.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, that was actually a good thing.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and there's like some classic dad jokes uh thrown in there.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, love a good dad joke.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh love her like oh like that reaction to it.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: But she also tealed got to like do stuff and was like run around and like shoot people.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that was like cool.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: Evil Inn's like actually scary and and like has some definable ability to like Evil Inn reads one newspaper article about uh Courtney Cox's parents disappearing, is able to drop into character, know all those lines, improvise a complete backstory uh with an objective of like getting the key from her.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like with like she must have had 10 minutes of prep.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like that's so hard.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, full respects to her.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: She like kills it in that moment.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, she doesn't break, she doesn't do anything.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's it's just really, really great.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then we've not even discussed Frank Langella's Skeletor, which was like truly great.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Wild, wild, wild character.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I did love I love Skeletor in this.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: I did love Skeletor.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he is so much fun.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: And he like spent a lot of um uh time like because he like took it like seriously, which is like the um old thing with uh Michael Cain and the Muppets movie where you like you know you be like a ground like treat it like it's like a stage play, it's no less ridiculous than that.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: So when uh where are they?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Where are they friends now?
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me about the loneliness of good He Man.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Is it equal to the loneliness of evil?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like that could be in a good movie.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's in this movie, but it could be in a good movie.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's so like hey, this is supposed to be a good movie for you.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I'm I'm aware of where it stands.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but like uh like a but like uh like it has these like fun, like cool elements.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you get the cool like guitar shop where everyone just like hangs out, uh you get the the guy behind the cars at the guitar shop, you just know stuff and then's like oh let's see what's going on and pulls out like a police scanner like you know he would have uh and then it's just like tuning in.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like it's just it's just fun.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then even the 80s guy got his like the boyfriend Kevin got his like moment to shine, and it wasn't like I'm gonna like punch everyone and do like gun stuff.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's like hey, I know these chords, I have like a perfect pitch, and you get to like play it.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like those little things are are like very satisfying.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the um all those weird videos of YouTube where someone like throws a a penny into a jar and it like hits or like uh one object fits just exactly inside another object.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's like not but like extremely satisfying videos.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like the extremely satisfying videos, but like normally it's like one object just fits inside when there's like a millimeters like difference.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: This is when there's like a huge buffer around it.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not like it's not like parking a car uh tightly between two cars, it's just like parking a car in an open field, but it's still satisfying.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Just parking a car and walking away.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: I am done.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I felt with this.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm done.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to bed.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um let's talk about like some of the plot of this, because it's just like I feel like we haven't actually described anything that really happens in it as well.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: Boom.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, cool.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: So like uh uh you got He-Man, you got Manor Arms, you got Tila, they're like just holding it down uh for like the sorceress who is neither good nor bad, but like just uh controls things and forces of of Eternia.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Skeletors like had like a coup uh on the city using the cosmic key, which is like a teleportation device that Guildor has, and they just like snuck in and like took over.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh He-Man uh and his troops were like, oh, let's find uh Guildor, let's like sneak in, take control of the of the Eternia castle back.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but there's like a there's a a fracas.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the they like have to escape, they get sent to Earth.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Again, classic plot move, love it.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, with the cosmic key, Skeleton's forces chase.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: The key goes like awry, and it ends up in the hands of some 80s kids who don't know what it is.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Skeletors uh team like flying to like uh uh attack and like uh get it back.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: So you get chaos on earth, you get all these like really really cool scenes, you get this like amazing crew uh of like toy characters, or like I love any introduction shot where like oh here are all these bad guys with specific skills and sets like Beast Man and I wrote them all down because I thought they'd be important, and they're just like and then it's just like okay, they just have their names.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh what what are they called?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: There's Beastman, there's a guy who looks like the alien, uh, and there's a guy who looks like a cyborg.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: There's Blade, Sal Salrod, Beastman, and core and Karg.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: Cog.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: All very bad at their jobs.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: One of them immediately loses their life coming and when they come back the first time, and then and then three of them get sent back down.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: Blade was also like so disappointing because it looked like a looked like a cool toy, had like the swords, had like the little thing that you could like shoot out when he like goes and he shoots the rocket at Sador.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's like perfect eight-year-old stuff.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, I I want this toy.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so like doing doing their job, like really they they even like come in like poses when you when you like introduce them.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: So you can imagine them kind of just almost cutting to like a like a shelf line of like seeing them in the like boxes almost.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like that that that was perfect.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm really surprised they didn't actually like have that happen in the film.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's also like I don't know, I feel like it would have been a funny joke to have them they they come from that universe of just like, oh, this this is already a toy in on earth.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: Especially because it had already been made.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, but that would have rubbed that same joke from Toy Story 2, uh, which was a triumph.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: So like they held back on that joke so Toy Story could could thrive.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh which is kindness.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they knew 10-15 years later it'd be fine.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: It'd be coming.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um Yeah, so what else happens?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: They yeah, it's just a it's a very standard like get sent to Earth, fix what happens, get come back to uh come back to uh their planet and battle skeletal and win.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: But it's done so well.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh like it's standard because films like this did it uh really really well back then and it's now become uh like oh yeah, of course.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Or like you trust you can subvert it.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: But like it was genuinely really exciting to see things like cool, you get to the heroes uh in the earth, and that's like cool and fun, but then oh shit, like these four people are coming to like hunt them down or track them down, that's and that's like kind of expected, or like, yeah, okay, I get that, that's cool.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: But then when it goes like beast mode is when like the ships and all of the troops come in and like take over Earth, and you get these like really cool guys and like flying skateboards, like running around, and like, oh no, the He-Man's gonna get shot from the sky, and like when skelet when oh something's coming through the portal, something big, uh and then like uh Skeletal's like huge like ship like fly soon that's like oh shit, it's going down.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it was like uh so cool.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's like like that's where it felt like oh, this is like you get all the money up on screen, like you really like see them like going for it.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh all these like weird little anonymous robots, uh probably the same five guys like getting shot over and over again, definitely.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, which was like really really cool.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and it felt like it had like a sense of like climax and purpose, and it with like a really cool ticking clock because they have to like get back in time to save these sources.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and then it all of this distracts you from Dolph Lungwin's inability to act.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he's he yeah, he is not good in this at all.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: He is not like he his dialogue the way he like delivers the dialogue is appalling.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: He cannot act in this like obviously he improves with time because like I've is this pre Rocky IV?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't know, it depends on when Rocky IV is made.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's why I yeah, I can't remember it.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: But it's um uh I'd say his his greatest job uh acting in this movie is keeping both pictorials implicably like just impeccably oiled.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're shining uh at all times, like even when his back see you, you can still like feel his pecs.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like that is uh academy worthy.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's like kind of the kind of acting you don't see.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh physicality is important.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then all his like delivery, all his delivery online fall flat with like, oh Goldor, oh why are you doing this?
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like it's all like very like bad, but apparently uh they were just gonna like dub him over and they just wrap that which is uh for then that makes it better.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's like really uh it's really cool and interesting, and it like it sticks with you more than if they had dubbed him over.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: The first thing the first thing I wrote down when he delivered his first like few lines of dialogue, I wrote down, is he being dubbed over right now?
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: Just because it sounded so weird, and then I and then I started like reading the trivia on it, and I still like, oh no, they've just left his original dialogue in and he just couldn't act at the time.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: I wish they dubbed him over with Robert Downey Sr.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh It's Robert Downey Jr.'s dad, and he like was he did they he made this great movie called Putney Swoke, which I love, and it's like a really cool, like revolutionary radical movie.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Genuinely check it out, it's like great.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but uh the lead actor kept forgetting his line, so he just dubbed him over and he does it in this weird voice like this, like this, and he just uh Putney, uh truth and justice.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like it it's so jarring and odd, but that makes me love the movie even more uh because it like really like uh sticks with you.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: So like that's the only dubbing I would accept, or I would go in and do like a cut of this movie where I just dubbed in the Robert Janley uh senior voice, like, Groder, what's going on?
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta get the cosmic key.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like you're definitely gonna do that at some point.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Got time.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: So what else happened?
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: There's I mean, like, there's nothing that really I I I said I did find out, like, so when I was first watching it, I didn't know that there was there was the whole like coming to earth plot in in this.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was just all gonna be on Eternia.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Eternia, yes.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: So that was the moment that you leaned forward and went, fuck yeah, we got a movie.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was the moment I did actually get more excited and more into it.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was like 15 minutes in, and it looks like they're already beating Skeletor.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I was just like, why is this already looking like it's the end of the movie?
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then they escaped to the Earth.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, this is what's going on.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: I see what they're doing here.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because I thought they were gonna like cut to however long later.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: I thought they were just gonna cut to later and it was gonna be on its earlier still.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't realise anything had to do with Earth.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: I was surprised when Courtney Cox showed up.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't realize.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: What a treat.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: That did make it more interesting.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: So when they got to Earth, but then they started doing like the whole like standard like coming to Earth tropes, but I guess it's like, like you said, it's like this this kind of paved the way for that.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like before that it wasn't really a thing.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, like I don't know the full uh timeline of uh all movies in general tropes, but I remember like seeing this and thinking, oh shit, this is cool.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I saw it in Star Trek IV, and it's like, oh this is cool.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then I saw it more and more movies and I was like, okay, I I can I get it.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can't think of it a time now, like a time before this movie where it was being done, like personally, but uh interesting.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because like this is like the same as like Th Thor as you say the first Thor, uh, or even parts of um what is it called?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Captain Marvel.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like that.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like the my favourite version of it uh in recent times I saw uh it got me thinking was Terminator Dark Fate, the most recent Terminator movie that I watched, because uh it's free to watch movies if you have AMC A-list.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh, this will be cool.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: How many times are you gonna bring that up?
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh as many times as it takes for them to sponsor me.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm gonna cut out every reference to it.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have the editing skills for that.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I do.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: Just cut out chunks.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like a subliminal frequency has been broadcasting under this the whole time.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, they uh in Terminator Dark Fate, um the the new Terminator comes back.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I think a genuinely good like Terminator movie.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you ignore it's one, two, and six.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: If you ignore the rest, uh it's like a solid like franchise.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a really good sequel to T2 kind of.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's like a really okay sequel to two T2 kind of.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and like considering most of the things.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: They kind of kind of just try to revamp what's gone on in three through five.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think more I think more people should do that when something's bad.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, that that didn't happen, and then just restart again.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like, yeah, that that's fantastic.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but like there's a moment where she comes in, um, she's like in the modern uh world, uh, she's like trying to like grab a car and she needs to like find something out, uh, and then she just grabs um Sarah Connor's, she just grabs Sarah Connor's phone, just like robot arms it and just hits it a bunch of times and then gets the answer to where she needs to go.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: And Sarah Connor's like, what did you just do?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: And she just looks and goes, future shit, and it just keeps moving.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Yes, I love this movie.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: This is so good.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh it doesn't, yeah, like it just cuts to it.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like that, like stuff like that is perfect.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: So like done well.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: I love this kind of thing.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember what the purpose of that story was.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the trope of people coming uh from the fancy world to the real world, uh, and like examples where it has been good, like it's very often overused and overdone now, uh, and it feels like stale.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it was first happening a lot in movies like this, or Beastmaster 2, or like Star Trek IV, uh, etc.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: etc.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like the one with the whales.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and most modern movies do it, but they do it badly, such as Thor, for example.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that feels like a bad example.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: But however, I have an example of what I really enjoyed was Terminator Dark Fate, which is the point of that story.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: I was uh trained in long-form improv and listening.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say that's why you can do the Harold.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: Truly, it's terrifying.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the uh because I didn't care about any of the information I just said, or even my information Harold.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: I could just like file them all away and then just spit them out as and when uh it's needed.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it's never needed.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: So what um let's let's go over like the the reviews and everything, because I want to know so it has a 17% on Rotten Tomato.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_03: Mmm.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Which is I thought that was very low.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: For the like, even even though I didn't necessarily enjoy this, 17% is very, very low.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to know your thoughts on like why why you think it's that why you think it's hated so much.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um part of it's like uh when you it's expectations, so this was just like uh if you detach it from the franchise or the label or the the branding, and it's just like action movie or like fancy movie where they go to Earth and you'll be like, oh cool, that's fine, 20%, maybe 25%, maybe even 30.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: But when you like attach it to like IP that people have like uh connection to uh and it it doesn't deliver on that promise, people get very like upset.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um like oh He-Man would never do that, where was Battle Cat?
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: The world world shouldn't be like awkward.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like then then they just would come in, you come into a movie preloaded with a lot of like expectations, um, which so which makes it hard.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um like there is a very clear expectation of what people think Spider-Man is.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh if if you do anything that isn't that, people will be you could make the best movie in the world, but people will be furious that it isn't exactly like uh this style or the other.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: So like I think a lot of it was to do with IP.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of it's to do with the movie's like not good.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like that that that that also needs to be factored in.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like some of it's expectation, some of it's like the delivery, it's like a bad movie.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but like it's enjoyable and fun.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and some of it's people uh struggle to let joy into their lives.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so there's a this coming from you.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: Hey that's uh accurate.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, um like you could just choose to find things to enjoy, and there's like lots to enjoy.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's got a big muscly oiled swede, uh, lots of like cool uh like a fun puppet, there's like uh guns and lasers, uh, there's like 80s hair, uh there's like synthesizer riffs, uh like there's just like a lot going on.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and people like truly didn't appreciate how good and fun movies like like this were at the time because a lot now they've been swallowed by the studio system into like these huge like uh a lot of movies which are like less fun or less have less personality or quirks, and like a lot of the weird things I love about this movie would get ironed out a lot in uh today's studio system, or they'd be put into like a big writer's room where like no act three, you gotta have this, uh type stuff.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh one thing that I would I think would happen today is that I don't think there would be the the whole like Courtney Cox and Kevin uh relationship staying together and I think they were trying to like set something up with He-Man and her.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think they would like move that direction.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's something that I felt I thought was interesting.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: I thought they were going in that that direction as well because he's very touchy freely with her the entire time.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know, I thought that was really kind of weird.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um the interesting thing about a lot of 80s hunks is that they are mostly in love with themselves.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like they've dedicated a lot of their uh training in physique to like uh their their their life is dedicated to like self-love, so like putting like uh a romantic interest just gets in the way.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then also just from your audience perspective, you don't want that because it was like, oh no, need crush her.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just it's just uncomfortable to think about.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's why you don't see like Arnold getting like sexy with people, because that would be like weird.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like and it does happen in some movies, but like for Germany, it's just they exist, and then like uh it's it's more effective when you see a romantic relationship happening around them or different types of relationships, like you get friendships happening, which is like cool.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, I thought it was nice.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was good.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: I actually enjoyed seeing it that way.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um for a change, because now it would not happen.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, so I don't think that would happen.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think Kevin would be a character at all.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: Or if he was a character, I think he would be uh the boyfriend she breaks up with at the start and then twins uh T-Man for through some purpose or for that reason.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's that's how they would use that.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I think um I don't know.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Gwildor would definitely be adjusted massively.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: It would be some CGI character as well.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean Gwildor or Jarjar, you tell me.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: Gwildor.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: See?
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: I I'd say I I already said I like Gildore.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: Gildor was funny.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: It was just very strange to see in the first place.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I d I I don't know.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: I I can't say I like this movie, but also you can say you like this movie, you can just make that choice.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, I can I mean You can just go into you can go into- I can't personally say within myself that I like this movie.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't but I had fun watching parts of it.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, what more do you want from a movie?
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: Look how much joy Grilldos brought to your life.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: You can think about the cosmic key, you can think about all these like fun things.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I like the plot.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but plot's plot plot is secondary.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh as it's like, I don't think I like the plot.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I cared about He-Man in the slightest.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: And He-Man is the lead character, and if I can't care about the lead character, then I don't think I can say I'm Yeah, I don't think I can say it's a good movie.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: Did you have any of the reviews you were going to read?
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, let's let's read a couple of the like the headlines of those reviews.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um from Empire magazine, they said the first film to be based on a line of toys.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: This might not be the last, but it takes something awful to replace it as the worst.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_00: Which I disagree with.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think there are way worse toy movies than this.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like toys.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like toys.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh Transformers, I think it's worse than this.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: You do you do you mean the animated Transformers movie from the 80s?
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I mean the Michael Bay one.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: I was like ready to fight you.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, that one's fine.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I didn't also didn't grow up with Transformers, so like that doesn't I yeah.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um then the New York Times said that their weapons make a 4th of July sparkler show, but they almost never hit anybody.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_00: Which is true.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: The weapons seem to have no purpose in this.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: Just like light beams like basing.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_00: And they like they'll hit someone and they'll do one thing and they'll hit someone else and do another thing entirely.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: They'll be like hitting with blasters and suddenly like draw swords for like no reason.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then just like do like big lunges that never like he-man He-Man's uh all-powerful sword truly never cuts anyone in half.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: It does nothing to anyone.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't even it doesn't even stop Skeletor because Skeletor just falls to his death.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: So it doesn't even stop him.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's a less good sword than the sword of Romans from Thundercats that look looked cool and like did a thing.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was like a big telescope.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: So like Okay, so like in terms in terms of comparison to like I guess the TV show, because but um that's the only thing you could compare it to, because the toys are just gonna be the toys, they're not gonna be so like in the TV show does the sword have a purpose?
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um never really.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, can't remember.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this is this is my He-Man.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: So this is your He-Man.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: It was also based off the toys, not off the like it wasn't it and the animated TV show were developed concurrently.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's like it was it's not an adaptation of the TV show, it's an adapt, it's literally an adaptation of some toys.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I knew it was an adaptation of the toys, but I thought it went uh toys, this, then this show.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, it was toys, film, and show at the same time.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and which is why people like though it's so different then.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: No wonder it's like that makes so much sense now.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: Also, why would it have a plot?
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's based off toys.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's based off when people are like playing with little toy things and going pew pew and then another thing.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: That is why they shouldn't be making these movies.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: That is why Battleship should not exist.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: That is why that is why there should not be a monopoly movie in production.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: That is why the emoji movie shouldn't exist.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: None of these things should exist.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: If you if you're if you had your way, you would have wiped 20 to 30 billion dollars of the American movie entertainment.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's the gross box office movie.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: Use it on things that are important.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: You'd you'd like to$30 billion worth of movies of people just looking sad at the camera and reciting tragedies.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's just really important that we think about it, you know?
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: There should be movies where there's like some kind of improv in it.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's always that always works well for comedy in movies.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: Just uh$40 billion worth of middle-like in Schwartz.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: I I enjoyed that.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well Schwartz is fully CGI.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's what you don't like.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: Just PBA.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um so what others?
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, this was the one I agree with.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um if not for the superb villainry of Frank Langela, who plays the evil skeleton, Master of the United Masters of the Universe would be as barren as an asteroid.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: That it I agree with that.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: Him uh well, him and Guildor.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that's like saying uh if not without without the cheese, this cheese sandwich would be two slices of bread pushed together.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, like Langello like does it, but like they hide him, they cast him, they put him in the roll.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like they give them some credit.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: Give someone decent uh someone that can write a good job the job of writing He-Man.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean Dark Crystal is good.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: The Muppet movie like I don't it was like went through a lot of rewrites and they like ran out of like a lot of money uh during the uh during the development, uh which is also I think one of the reasons why it was such a problem.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, like it's it's that's why I find Canon films like so fascinating.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, because like the whole reason the thing I love about this movie the most is that it's set on Earth, and that was just a budgetary constraint because they were like, oh, if we set everything in the turnium and have to use all these sound stages, it'll be so expensive.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: Let's move to Bum Fuck Nowhere, uh Rodney Kingsville, uh, and then like film there.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: So they they move uh 30 years anniversary.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they uh thought it'd be good to like do it there, uh which is like cool.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then that that made all these like fun choices happen.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: So like yeah, uh I don't know.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: I just think it's more than 17%.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree with that.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think I do think it's more than 17%.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um alright, so I guess you've like mostly discussed like why you think it's good then like throughout the whole stuff of the podcast, so I don't really need to bring that up, but like um uh I guess that's a good point to like unless you have anything else to say about the movie, I guess a good point to end that part.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, I've I think I've given the very clear and cogent uh uh argument of why it's good.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's streaming on stars if you're based in the US uh or have a VPN, so it's streaming for free on stars.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: You can get like a lot a huge month-long trial, or you can get like a year subscription for like I don't know, like seven.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: Why are you promoting stars?
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh stars is a great, great app.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: It has so many like over-the-plate action movies and 80s classics and things that are like, oh that's fun.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh rather than like Netflix is trash.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, whereas if you go on stars, you'll be like, oh Joe vs.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: Don't arcano.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I fucks with this.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like it it's it's good.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a it's if you if you if you've been tickled by the joy uh that you've let into your lives called Master of the Universe, I highly recommend you download the Stars app, uh have a swipe, uh, and then see all the fun things that uh are there for you as as choices, because it's it's wild.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_00: Why do I feel like you've got some code that you're gonna give out as well now?
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I have no uh affiliation.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh okay, so let's go on to the next segment, the one of the next segments, which is uh what is a good movie that you uh or a well-reviewed movie that you consider bad?
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like you're gonna have a strong choice on this one.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're wrong.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, what is a I don't know what a well-reviewed movie is.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: Or one that people like that isn't um like uh obvious.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: I guess it's like a classic movie.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, they can be obvious.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um a movie that uh so the mu the movie I've disliked the most uh in the well let me pull up my letterbox uh because I uh started tracking uh the movies I've watched.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I've been doing the same recently.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well you can uh I will add you on it.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh I've done well.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: I've done well.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um the movie I had the strongest reaction to of late was a Netflix documentary called Circus of Books.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um I was so excited about seeing it.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like I saw the cool trailer, it's about um a couple in LA that runs a queer bookstore.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: That was like and they ended up being like uh they're like a straight Jewish couple, like typical elderly, like uh sweet grandpa-y type people.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: Really chill.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and they just sold hardcore gay pornography throughout the 70s and 80s and 90s, became one of the largest distributors uh in like in the US.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh their bookstore became like a hub for people to like meet and hang out uh and like uh treat.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: They start like producing like movies and things like that.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's just like that's like a cool story.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a great story.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: I remember seeing the trailer and being like really interested in it.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: Did you watch the movie?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen it yet.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: I forgot I came out.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck that movie.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like the movie is so the trailer is so good, the movie is so bad.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: If you watch the trailer, you will get this amazing picture and you will leave thinking, oh that's cool.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_00: You it looked really great.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Where you are right now is perfect.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: Where I am on the other side, it's a nightmare.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: So wait, what what's bad about it then?
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, like it's made it's made by their daughter.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's the it's already it's already in wildly problematic territory and it's it's already got a massive bias against it.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it just feels like a weird family dispute or feud where they're like trying to like tease drama out where there is none, or like um like they they uh like they one of their one of their children is gay, uh and like he like struggled to like come out, um, and then like they didn't like accept him fully, but then did.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like there was like a little bit where like his dad was like, Oh, you you you care I I love you and my son.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: And mother was like, I don't know, I don't like that for like a little bit, and then was like then fine and really supportive and goes to it.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: And that's drama.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and that drama takes up about 30 minutes.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then do you know what's glossed over in the five minutes?
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: The AIDS epidemic.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they talk literally like they just like casually just talk about oh yeah, and there's this oh, there's this whole top period of the time, and like all the people that stop going, oh he's dead, she's dead, they're dead, they're dead.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's like wild.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's truly they force it into the narrative uh and then deal with it really badly, then force it away.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: There's this other like moments where they talk about all these actual, like interesting, like uh queer movements and struggles and like um people who are like doing stuff um around the uh yeah, around like LA at the time, and then like uh just briefly mentioned in passing, like all these other interesting actual like movements or things like that, and it's like but let's get back to like oh like this bookstore, and it's like and then it's also one of those like classic ones where like some they are they I don't have all the information, but it feels like they have some of the seeds of their own undoing.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: Where it's like, yeah, we didn't really want to have a website or like organise or sell online.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: So well, fuck you then.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I guess like if you're still riding around in horses with everyone's driving cars, I'm not gonna be like in tears when your horse business goes out of like it it it it it is um it has a lot of stuff like that in it.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then the it's everyone's lovely, I'm sure they're great.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I make almost nothing.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: So like take everything I'm saying with like a grain of salt, because like I don't like to complain, uh, and it's like I can't do better.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: I I make podcasts and like improv shows, like whatever the fuck.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I struggle to make a three-minute sketch.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: But having said that, there's this point where the documentarian was like, yeah, my world was like my world was like basically queer, which is I mean, she had gay friends in school, like that that's what she means by that.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: Which is like uh I was like, What it what are you doing?
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: What is happening?
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's not the same.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like it uh like it's it it's truly like the sense like so much to take time out of the documentary when you're like glossing over something like the AIDS epidemic, so I go, Yeah, but like look at my friends in high school going, Oh, you're so crazy, ah you had pink hair, oh wow, like like and I'm maybe being unfair, but also maybe I'm not.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_01: We shall see.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't sound like you are being unfair, if that's the case.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh like uh like it just it left me with like a oh there is so many this is has the meat of an interesting story, there's so much like interesting stuff happening around this, but I do not care about this family.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's sort of like uh like an art project or something someone has made to like show their mother, uh and like they should like deal with that um or like talk more about the interesting people around them, not just like work out your parental issues uh on on film.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, uh so that's a movie that I would uh rail against.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: Great, perfect.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: That is yeah, that sounds like one to definitely avoid then.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um also if you made this and if you made circus books and you're listening to this, how?
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: But uh secondarily, uh I'm sorry, like I you know, making anything is hard, I get it.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_00: What if they're a massive fan of Masters of the Universe?
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: Hang on.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: They're like just about to like, oh I need to make a I need to I'm I've been pitching a Masters of the Universe signal a sequel.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I know there's like unused props and like uh script for it.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think this guy would be perfect, and then suddenly I get to this segment like, oh no.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: They're just doing all their research on it.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: Anything I can find out, oh Shem knows about this.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm avoiding him.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, let's uh let's bring the podcast to an end there.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_00: Have you got any uh this has been wildly interesting?
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_00: You had had a lot to say.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think you've had the most to say out of a the entire podcast so far.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I always feel bad.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I I don't know, I've been asked on here to talk, so I guess I shouldn't feel bad, but every time I like ending up, no, no, it's a it's a it's perfect.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: But I look at the audio track and I can see how much I'm speaking versus how much someone else is speaking.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_01: And when there's like a disparity, I thought, oh no, I'm like waffled.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, it's good.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_00: I want you to come on and defend the movie, so that's what I wanted you to do.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: So funny because uh of the original list that you said you had pretty time on.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: Which you wanted to do.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was like, so that was such a funny choice of like can you just put it on it's like well it's directed and written by a monster.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's so hard.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: Who's gonna come on and defend?
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_03: You wanted to do it.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna I I valiantly thought it'd be very fun and interesting to like take it, not like discuss or lord the works of its monstrous director, but then look at all the people in the cast and go, oh, let's look at the film career of Chris Rock uh and all the things he's done.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: Let's look at all Wonder Sites' comedy career.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think JB Smooth uh does like little things that it has so many cool, like interesting people in it.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_01: So it'd be like really interesting uh to get to and like talk around, but also it's such a massive turn-off to like see like the podcast thumbnail of like two dudes talking about a Louis CK movie, and it's like and ignoring the whole thing.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I mean, I was like he directed it.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_00: He directed it and wrote it.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_00: I no, I think he didn't write it.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think Chris Rock wrote it.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_01: Louis wrote it.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: Are you s uh okay?
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it thought he just directed it.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_01: He directed it, wrote it, tried to do the edit.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was like his little baby, he came up with that weird like character.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh great.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing this is like an unofficial episode of Twinkie Tanger, which is like great.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh if you if you haven't uh seen it, I'd recommend you watch Chris Rock's head of state.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's my favourite Chris Rock movie.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's not good.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_00: Head of state's really fun.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's so fun.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't like his movies never do well, and they're they're not the best encapsulation of his like uh comedic voice, but there's a joke in head of state where he's like running for it's like when the crazy idea of like a black person running for president.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's the premise.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's it's four years before I barber as well.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh uh America literally was not ready.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: But like uh they did uh there's a joke when they said he's told the education's so bad.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_01: I asked my daughter what four times four was, and she said 44.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: And someone from the crowd goes, It is uh and that gets me every time.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a really underrated movie.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think Bernie Mack is also great in that.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Bernie Mack is what a loss.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he is so funny.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, definitely directed, written, and edited by uh Lewis and edited, yeah.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, I'm taking it off the list.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, now like me talking.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_01: This is the final now.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: You finally decided to take it off the list.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you were the only ri person that was realistically gonna pick it anyway.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's got JB Smooth in it, Robert Vaughan's in it, Lance Cornell's in it, Chris What Mario Joyner's in it, like Dave Vattel pops up.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's got a great cast.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's a powerhouse, like it's that's why it's really cool to talk about all the people and the other things they've done and like talk about their place in history and like comedy movies in general, and why they don't make comedy movies anymore, or like it's really hard, like uh like the last like hard comedy movie.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like they just they're a dying breed, like Good Boys, uh BookSmart, and Stuba, I think have been the last like few, and Stuba's like dressed up as like an action comedy uh movie.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so like it's I just I I'm a comedian, I write comedy, I write comedy movies.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: I want people to keep making them, and it's like so sad to me that they're dying out.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: But also, you know, you gotta wrap this episode up.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_01: So you you want you want my sweet, sweet plugs.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_00: So do what uh how can we find you uh online?
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm online uh mostly on Instagram at my show called Life.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I post very little, but like there's the occasional story with uh some sass.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I produce a podcast uh called uh Hot Cross with Trash.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's like a fun facts-based podcast uh with uh some New York comedians.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_01: We have lots of like guests on discussing fun, interesting facts, and uh comedy ensues.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh a lot of fun to work on.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then I write uh and work with the foundation.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we're like a sketch team at UCB.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: We're like good.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and we're like always like making content and putting stuff out there.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like yeah, some some sketch teams are bad.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I won't I won't name names, they know who they are, but uh we're they know who they are.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they do know who they are.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you you uh sketches I think that's the pro I think that's the problem, they don't know who they are.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_01: Sketch is different.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: Impov is like uh the differences between impov and sketch.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: No one needs this conversation, but I'm gonna give it to you anyway.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh is like impov you can like blame it on yeah, like we weren't connecting and we just couldn't find it, or the audience just hasn't seen impov anymore, or like they're just oh yeah, I was really good when that one little moment like every improv improv is like a broken clock.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, there'll always be like one or two moments where someone just laughs just because like someone said potato or whatever.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like you'll get like something in there, so you can always walk away from any improv show lying to yourself, thinking, yeah, that's actually pretty good.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like I've seen like so many people walk off horrendous improv shows going, yeah, yeah, I think we kind of like yeah, yeah, we uh we uh did the potato thing, that was good.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh with sketch, you have spent like a month writing and rewriting and working on these things and like lying at it, and you know when you want them to laugh, you have worked out and written where you want your jokes to land, and then when you like go, and and then we had a potato, and then you hold for the laughter and it does not come, that feeling is like a gut punch from which you'll never recover.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_01: I have felt I've been burned by that several times.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it feels terrible, but it's also great when like they do laugh, obviously.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you know when they are supposed to laugh.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so like uh if you're a bad sketch team or a bad sketchwriter, unless you're living in massive self-denial, uh, like because you do it like more than once on multiple occasions, like there there have been enough points where people are not laughing at the shit you've done that you should go, uh, maybe I I need to work on that or like do better.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh or you can just be angry with the audience and claim they don't get your genius, but uh yeah, uh that's one of the reasons I enjoy sketching.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_00: That definitely happens.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sketches uh fun because people will just discuss jokes and comedy, not like emotions and feelings, uh, which is like different.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_00: And with that long uh discussion about sketch comedy, I think we'll end this podcast on Mars of the Universe.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Shem, for being a guest.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm available for Di Tribes whenever you want one.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll end there.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's the end of the podcast.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_00: You can find me on Twitter for the username at YCove or at YanisCove on Instagram.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_00: Please remember to rate and review us on iTunes if you enjoyed this, so I can end up making more.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll see you next week for more movies that critics got wrong.