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MOM: WE LOVE YOU. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND YOU: TEEN GIRL'S CELL GOES DEAD. WHERE'S MADISON? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: A mom begs for help, stating, we love you, We're
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  Speaker 2: trying to find you. This after her teen girl goes missing.
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  Speaker 2: Now the cell phone pinged in a very unusual part
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  Speaker 2: of town. Then the cell goes dead tonight. Where is
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  Speaker 2: Madison and Nancy Grace? This is Crime Stories, Thank you
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  Speaker 2: for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Seventeen year old Lake with teen Madison Rich vanishes after
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  Speaker 3: leaving her home and her family is desperate for answers.
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  Speaker 4: Maddie Rich is called caring, creative, and funny. Madison riches
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  Speaker 4: at home on the night of August fourteenth, but sometime
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  Speaker 4: in the early morning hours of August fifteenth, she leaves home.
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  Speaker 4: Mattie always maintains contact with her friends via social media,
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  Speaker 4: and when her mother finds her gone on the morning
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  Speaker 4: of August fifteenth, she is worried.
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  Speaker 2: How many times have we heard this scenario?
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  Speaker 1: Why did this teen girl leave home? Why did she
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  Speaker 1: do it.
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  Speaker 5: Without her mom knowing? Who lured this girl out of
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  Speaker 5: the home? Why has her cell phone gone dead?
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever tried to take a cell phone away
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  Speaker 2: from a teen It's not easy.
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  Speaker 1: She would never let her cell phone go dead like this.
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  Speaker 2: Now, quiet radio, silent on all social media, and tonight
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  Speaker 2: Mom is joining us, begging, we love you, we want
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  Speaker 2: to find.
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  Speaker 1: You and bring you home.
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  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what we're going to try and help do,
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  Speaker 2: bring Maddie home. Joining me in All Star panel to
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  Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now. But for
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  Speaker 2: a straight out to Madison. Maddie's mom joining us, Tracy, Tracy,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for being with us. I've got
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  Speaker 2: a question when you realized that she was missing.
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  Speaker 1: What went through your mind? Panic?
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  Speaker 6: Scared, worried. We tried very hard to figure out maybe
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  Speaker 6: where she once. She did leave very early in the morning,
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  Speaker 6: so even though it was early in the morning, we
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  Speaker 6: did go to some of her friend's houses to see
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  Speaker 6: if maybe she was there, and unfortunately she was not.
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  Speaker 2: So you go to friends' homes immediately looking for her. Now,
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  Speaker 2: tell me about the moment that you realize Maddie was
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  Speaker 2: not in her room and not in the That would
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  Speaker 2: scare me so badly, Tracy, because every morning I hear
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  Speaker 2: the twins' alarms going off in their rooms. Lucy gets
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  Speaker 2: up well before John David, but I go in there
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  Speaker 2: immediately when I hear that or earlier, just to make
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  Speaker 2: sure they're getting up, to make sure they're getting ready
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  Speaker 2: for school. I can't imagine what I would do if
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  Speaker 2: I went in there and their bed was empty and
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  Speaker 2: they were not in there.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what happened, Tracy.
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  Speaker 6: I woke up in the middle of the night and
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  Speaker 6: I once ago and just pick in on her like
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  Speaker 6: I do sometimes, and I realized that she was not there,
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  Speaker 6: and it was very early in the morning, still kind
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  Speaker 6: of like middle of the night, and it.
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  Speaker 1: Was just, what do you mean by that? What time
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  Speaker 1: was it?
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  Speaker 6: I think I went in around four point thirty in
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  Speaker 6: the morning and I realized that she was.
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  Speaker 1: Now do you normally get up that early?
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  Speaker 6: There are times that I do. There are times when
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  Speaker 6: you know, just normally you know, some people just you
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  Speaker 6: wake up to use the bathroom or just wake up
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  Speaker 6: and can't go back to sleep. So unfortunately, I do
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  Speaker 6: have that type of sleeping pattern.
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  Speaker 1: So you're up. Did you say four point thirty in
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  Speaker 1: the morning? That is correct?
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  Speaker 2: And what led you to go to her bedroom that early?
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  Speaker 2: Because I peek in on the twins and my mom
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  Speaker 2: lives with us, I peeck on her in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the night. Just really, they're all fine. I think
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  Speaker 2: it makes me feel better to.
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  Speaker 1: Check on them. But what led you to go and
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  Speaker 1: look in her room?
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  Speaker 6: Just as a mom, I just you know, go to
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  Speaker 6: you know, peek in on her from time to time,
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  Speaker 6: and this morning I realized that she was not there.
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  Speaker 2: When you looked in her room and saw she wasn't
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  Speaker 2: in her room? Do you mind describing for me, Tracy?
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  Speaker 2: The room was there? Is there a window in the room?
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  Speaker 2: Was the window unlocked? Was the window open? Is she
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  Speaker 2: the only one that sleeps in that room? Was her
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  Speaker 2: bed made? Does she normally make her bed in the morning?
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  Speaker 2: Wore her clothes out as if she'd been trying to
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  Speaker 2: look for what to wear. Was there dampness in her
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  Speaker 2: bathroom or the bathroom as if she had brushed her
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  Speaker 2: teeth or taken a shower before she left, or her
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  Speaker 2: clothes strewn around?
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  Speaker 1: What can you tell me about the way how you
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  Speaker 1: found her room?
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  Speaker 6: Her room looked how it normally was, The window was locked.
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  Speaker 6: She doesn't always make her bed. It's kind of like
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  Speaker 6: a teenager room. There's you know, some clothes and makeup
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  Speaker 6: and things everywhere. Sometimes, So there was nothing really out
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  Speaker 6: of the ordinary in her room at that time.
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  Speaker 2: So Tracy you and I have taught before, and even
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  Speaker 2: as of right now, you cannot identify any clothes missing
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  Speaker 2: from her room.
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  Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 6: That's correct because unfortunately we don't know what she was
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  Speaker 6: wearing when she left.
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  Speaker 1: When you saw her the night before, tell me what happened.
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  Speaker 6: She was fine, and she she was playful. She was
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  Speaker 6: hanging out with some friends the day before. She was laughing.
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  Speaker 6: Just nothing out of the ordinary at all. So that's
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  Speaker 6: why it was very surprising. And when I realized that
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  Speaker 6: she was missing.
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  Speaker 2: When you realize she was missing, what if anything did
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  Speaker 2: you do?
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  Speaker 1: Tracy?
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  Speaker 6: Honestly, I screamed. I went into panic. I looked everywhere
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  Speaker 6: in the house. I looked even you know, in the bathroom.
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  Speaker 6: I even double checked my room just because I was
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  Speaker 6: just checking everywhere in the house.
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  Speaker 1: Do you guys have an alarm system, No, we do not.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a dog, No, we have two cats.
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  Speaker 2: Was the door the front and the back? Were they
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  Speaker 2: locked or were they.
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  Speaker 1: Unlocked when you went to check them?
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  Speaker 6: The front door was unlocked.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the way she normally left the home? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Did she have a car?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 1: Where was a family car still there?
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  Speaker 8: It was?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Did she have access to your credit cards and
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  Speaker 1: bank account.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 2: Has there been any activity on your credit cards or
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  Speaker 2: a bank account that you don't recognize?
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  Speaker 6: No, not at all, And even to this day, every day,
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  Speaker 6: I'm looking just to be on the safe.
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  Speaker 1: Side, Tracy.
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  Speaker 2: Were her devices her phone, her laptop, her I pad?
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  Speaker 2: I know she had her cell phone with her, but
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  Speaker 2: what about other devices?
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  Speaker 1: Were they missing?
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  Speaker 6: No, she didn't really have other devices, but her phone
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  Speaker 6: was missing.
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  Speaker 2: Again, joining me in an all star panel to make
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  Speaker 2: sense of what we know. Straight out to Britney, We're
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  Speaker 2: investigative reporter woio Cleveland nineteen dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Brittany, thank you for being with us. I want to.
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  Speaker 2: Focus specifically on what happened when Maddie goes missing.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what you know.
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  Speaker 9: So I saw this story on social media. It's got
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  Speaker 9: a lot of traction here in the community, and just
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  Speaker 9: from the initial interview with Tracy and looking into this story,
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  Speaker 9: like she says, she's left her home in the middle
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  Speaker 9: of the night, Mattie and then her cell phone was pinged.
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  Speaker 9: An interesting thing in that Terracy has told me is
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  Speaker 9: is pinged on the east side of here in Cleveland area,
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  Speaker 9: which she's from the west side, So she's over in
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  Speaker 9: the east Side, and Lisa said that her phone was
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  Speaker 9: pained near a hotel in the area near Warnsville Heights,
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  Speaker 9: some other locations on the east Side as well, and
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  Speaker 9: then no more pins, no more anything. Either her phone
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  Speaker 9: had died or was turned off.
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  Speaker 10: We just don't know.
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  Speaker 9: So that's kind of the big question mark here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Brittany, for those viewers listeners that are not
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  Speaker 2: familiar with the Cleveland area, could you go through that
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  Speaker 2: very slowly again regarding the pings and the locations, because
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  Speaker 2: Mom tells us that those areas are not areas where
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  Speaker 2: Maddie would have known anybody.
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  Speaker 1: For instance, if my.
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  Speaker 2: Daughter is, let's just say, going to the mall, I've
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  Speaker 2: got life three sixties, so I can.
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  Speaker 1: See which male she went to. It's the same one
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  Speaker 1: she always goes to with her little friends. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: If she suddenly drove forty miles away and went elsewhere,
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  Speaker 2: I would think, okay, that's not Lucy.
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  Speaker 1: She would not be there.
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  Speaker 2: Or if my son says, hey, I'm gonna go play
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  Speaker 2: basketball with my friends, and then only three sixty I
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  Speaker 2: see him thirty miles away, I'm like, what why would
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  Speaker 2: he be there to play basketball? And I would immediately,
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  Speaker 2: of course call nine one one. So explain the significance
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  Speaker 2: of the areas you're telling me about, Britney Weir.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, so in Cleveland. Cleveland is pretty much divided up
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  Speaker 9: into the west Side and the east side. A lot
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  Speaker 9: of people if you live on the west side, you
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  Speaker 9: stay on the west side, you hang out on the
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  Speaker 9: west side, and you said, go to the mall the
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  Speaker 9: movies with your friends. If you're on the east side again,
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  Speaker 9: same thing. You're staying on the east side. You're not
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  Speaker 9: really going from side to side. Maddie was from Lakewood,
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  Speaker 9: which is on the west side. But then, like I said,
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  Speaker 9: her cell phone after she had left her house on fifteen,
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  Speaker 9: her cell phone was then pinged on the east side
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  Speaker 9: a couple of days later near a hotel on Warrensville
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  Speaker 9: Heights area near South Miles Road and some other areas
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  Speaker 9: on the east side. So as a mother, you're seeing
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  Speaker 9: these pings and police seeing these pings.
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  Speaker 1: It's you know it'.
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  Speaker 9: It's not normal for a teen someone's seventeen years old
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  Speaker 9: like Maddie who grew up on the west side, and
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  Speaker 9: if that's where her friends already be over again on
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  Speaker 9: the east side, if that's where her phone is, so
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  Speaker 9: you know what's going on with her phone? Does Mattie
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  Speaker 9: have her phone? Does someone else have her phone? These
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  Speaker 9: are the questions that you know, we'd all love to
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  Speaker 9: get answers to.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now.
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  Speaker 2: In addition to Mattie's mom, Tracy and Brittany Weir, Jeff
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  Speaker 2: Casey is with US former Secret Service over twenty years,
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  Speaker 2: board member with Cleveland Missing website Cleveland Missing dot org.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Casey way in on her phone going dead and
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  Speaker 2: pinging in areas in the Cleveland area where.
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  Speaker 1: She's never been.
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  Speaker 11: That is obviously concerning as a parent for Tracy and
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  Speaker 11: her family. Most teenagers do not let their phones die
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  Speaker 11: and or you know, lose charge. So there may we
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  Speaker 11: don't know yet, but we don't know the circumstances of
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  Speaker 11: why that's that.
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  Speaker 8: We're hoping to figure that out.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm very curious to Jeff Casey and or
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  Speaker 2: brittany where, what can you tell me about those areas
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  Speaker 2: where her phone pained and then ultimately died.
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  Speaker 1: And now I've got to follow up on that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Derek Smith, a high profile lawyer, is familiar with this,
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  Speaker 2: but I want to make sure that we can determine
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  Speaker 2: where the phone was when it went dead? And can
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  Speaker 2: I tell if the phone was cut off? Can I
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  Speaker 2: tell that the phone was destroyed? Can I tell if
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  Speaker 2: the phone was thrown into the water? And what I
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  Speaker 2: really want to know is where was the phone when
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  Speaker 2: it went dead?
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  Speaker 1: And about these areas to Brittany and Jeff.
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  Speaker 2: Let me start with you, Brittany, the areas where the
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  Speaker 2: cell phone last painged? Are they the higher crime rate
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  Speaker 2: areas of Cleveland? Are they out in a rural area
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  Speaker 2: outside the city? Are they the suburbs?
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  Speaker 1: Where is that?
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  Speaker 12: So?
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  Speaker 9: Definitely outside the city as far as speaking as crime rates,
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  Speaker 9: it's not the best area. Not an area you would
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  Speaker 9: want your children, your teenagers to be hanging out, an
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  Speaker 9: area where you would just see them walking around. It
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  Speaker 9: might raise a red flag if you see seventeen year
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  Speaker 9: old like Mattie just walking around on her own. So
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  Speaker 9: as a parent, that's definitely not an area where you
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  Speaker 9: want that cell phone to be pinging to be locate.
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  Speaker 2: Tracy Rich is joining me. This is Maddie's mom, Tracy,
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  Speaker 2: I get it. If Lucy or John David's phone pinged,
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  Speaker 2: let's just say down in Hale's kitchen, in New York
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  Speaker 2: and they're out by themselves. I would do a backflip,
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  Speaker 2: because there are parts of Manhattan that are more dangerous
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  Speaker 2: for crime than other parts.
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  Speaker 1: It's just that simple.
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  Speaker 2: You're not gonna get carjacked probably somewhere out like Rochester.
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  Speaker 1: This is probably not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: Statistically, it will happen where there's a concentrated amount of people, right,
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  Speaker 2: More people, more criminals.
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  Speaker 1: Simple two and two is four.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about these areas for her last thing. And
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  Speaker 2: the reason I'm focusing on this so much and the
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  Speaker 2: questions I've asked so far, Tracy, is because it gives
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  Speaker 2: me an idea of what could be happening right now.
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  Speaker 1: So tell me about these areas.
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  Speaker 2: You say that Maddie had never been to those areas
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  Speaker 2: or didn't hang out in those areas. I know nothing
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  Speaker 2: about Cleveland other than the crime rate, Okay, So.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me why that concerned you.
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  Speaker 6: There's a few red flags and a few concerns. Mattie
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  Speaker 6: does not know anybody out in that area. All of
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  Speaker 6: her friends are in this area more towards Lakequoid, where
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  Speaker 6: we live. So it's just you know already concerning of
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  Speaker 6: why she would be out in that area to begin with,
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  Speaker 6: we don't know who she is with what's going on.
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  Speaker 6: From my understanding, they're not you know, definitely not the
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  Speaker 6: best neighborhoods, which is just you know, extra concerning. But unfortunately,
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  Speaker 6: we just have no idea why she would be out there.
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  Speaker 2: And one of those things was near a hotel, wasn't it, Tracy?
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  Speaker 1: Why is she near a hotel? Who has her at
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  Speaker 1: a hotel? That's what I want to know.
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  Speaker 6: That's what I would like to know as well.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
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  Speaker 6: And when I was informed of that, just my heart
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  Speaker 6: dropped because again, all of her friends are up here,
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  Speaker 6: are you know, near Lakewood?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, where she goes to school, where she lives?
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  Speaker 7: Is it?
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  Speaker 10: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Angie Arnold is joining us now a psychiatrist out
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  Speaker 2: of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Angela
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  Speaker 2: Arnold MD dot com. Doctor Angie. You know, one of
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  Speaker 2: the many, many things that is extremely irritating in an
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  Speaker 2: investigation is when mom's intuition is ignored. So when this
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  Speaker 2: mom tells me she's never been over there, she has
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  Speaker 2: nobody why would she be there?
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  Speaker 1: I can just hear a cop say, oh, yeah, she's at.
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  Speaker 2: A rage, she's with some boyfriend, hold up at a hotel.
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  Speaker 2: She's not doctor Angie, And I don't want mom's words
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  Speaker 2: discounting that may be the best evidence we've got right
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  Speaker 2: now to find this girl.
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  Speaker 13: Well, to me, the most concerning thing about where she
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  Speaker 13: is is that none of her friends go to that
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  Speaker 13: area of town, because at this stage in a kid's life,
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  Speaker 13: their friends are very important to them, and so it
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  Speaker 13: is very disconcerting to me and worrisome that she separated
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  Speaker 13: herself from her friends. It's also worrisome that it was
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  Speaker 13: shocking to the mother that she was not in her
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  Speaker 13: bed that night, that early morning, those early morning hours,
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  Speaker 13: because she could have been at a friend's house or something.
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  Speaker 13: So I'm wondering. I'm wondering about that. But truly, Nancy,
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  Speaker 13: the fact that she is in another part of town
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  Speaker 13: and that she is away from any of her friends
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  Speaker 13: leads lends a certain level of danger to this entire.
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  Speaker 3: Situation where is missing Seventeen year old Madison Rich the Leakwood,
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  Speaker 3: Ohio teen, disappeared from her home and has been missing
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  Speaker 3: for over forty days.
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  Speaker 2: I know her mother, Tracy, has been living in a
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  Speaker 2: nightmare since her daughter goes missing, she immediately reports her
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  Speaker 2: daughter missing, and then when that cell phone went dead,
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  Speaker 2: that cut off all potential communications with Maddie and she
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  Speaker 2: has been living in h e.
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  Speaker 1: Double l ever since. Joining me right Now.
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  Speaker 2: Is another mom, a mom who has gone through a
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  Speaker 2: very similar circumstance. Joining me right Now is Shauna Burns.
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  Speaker 2: Her daughter Haley went missing. What happened with Haley? And
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  Speaker 2: welcome Shauna. What happened with Haley is Haley cute cute
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  Speaker 2: eating disorder, and she would go on to a chatroom
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  Speaker 2: and talk to other girls her age that also had
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  Speaker 2: eating disorders. Well, believe it or not, her predator went
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  Speaker 2: into these chatrooms where teen girls are talking about their
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  Speaker 2: issues and he befriended her like a fox in the henhouse,
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  Speaker 2: and she was snowed over. She didn't realize who she
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  Speaker 2: was talking to and he ended up kidnapping her.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 8: Sixteen year old Hayley Burns is talking online to someone
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  Speaker 8: who steals her heart and convinces her to run off
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  Speaker 8: with them. She waits until her parents are asleep, then
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  Speaker 8: sneaks out of the house, leaving behind her diary that
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  Speaker 8: tells the story of her plan to run away with
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  Speaker 8: a thirty two year old man she met online. She
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  Speaker 8: doesn't realize leaving the safety of her parents home puts
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  Speaker 8: her in the arms of a man who will terrorize
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  Speaker 8: her for over a year. Michael Weiselaski tortures, stars, rapes,
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  Speaker 8: and sometimes locks her in a dog cage for hours
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  Speaker 8: as he moves her to multiple locations around the state
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  Speaker 8: of Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me right now is the mom Shauna Burns. Shawna,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for being with us.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Shauna.
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  Speaker 2: At the beginning, you knew immediately that your girl was missing.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: So many times I hear law enforcement throwing up roadblocks, going, oh, she's.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Just a runaway. Bs. She was held in a dog cage,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: she was sex assaulted, beaten.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: And starved, and you knew day one that something horrible
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: had happened.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Describe.
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  Speaker 12: We knew day one that she had been basically lured
• 18:43
  Speaker 12: away by an internet predator, but that was not really
• 18:47
  Speaker 12: a term that existed at that point. We didn't start hearing.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: That until she was recovered.
• 18:54
  Speaker 12: She was just a runaway, but we knew that she
• 18:57
  Speaker 12: had met an older man online and had run away
• 19:00
  Speaker 12: with that person. We just did not know who that
• 19:03
  Speaker 12: person was or where that person was.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Did someone actually say to you, Shanna, she's just a runaway.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, we were told many times that she's just a runaway.
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  Speaker 12: And in fact, it was a month after our daughter
• 19:15
  Speaker 12: was missing before the FBI got involved, even though she
• 19:19
  Speaker 12: was special needs. Like our local police, they didn't do
• 19:23
  Speaker 12: anything except basically file a runaway petition. And then a
• 19:26
  Speaker 12: month later the sheriff at the town, who's a friend
• 19:29
  Speaker 12: of my husband's, was like, hey, she's special needs, right, well,
• 19:32
  Speaker 12: that's you need to bring in the FBI. And that's
• 19:35
  Speaker 12: when they started actually looking for her. But for that
• 19:38
  Speaker 12: first month, it was basically good luck.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Cool Jeff Casey, help me your former secret service. Why
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: do I hear this over and over and over? They're
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: just a runaway, you know what I Meany runaways get
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: put in sex trafficking or die every year.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: It's staggering. There's no such thing as just a run away, Jeff.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 11: I can't explain then there is no defense for that.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Maddie just graduated from Lakewood. Where is she?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Her phone has gone dead? Mom desperate for answers tip line.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: The detective has given us his private number, his direct
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: number two one six five, two nine six seven sixty six.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: We have reason to believe she is still alive. I
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: can't imagine for you, Shauna, and now you Tracy, what
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: hell you've been through. And when we say run away,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: how about the words lured away?
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: Listen Online, she met him in a chatroom for people
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: that wanted to be interrectic. It was an Anoreccia chatroom,
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: and he tended to stay in that chatroom because he
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: found a lot of different women there. She ran into
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: her there and within twenty eight days of meeting him,
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: he had convinced her to leave.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: It happens just like that. She's in a chat room,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: she thinks she meets a friend. The next thing you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: this is what happens.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Listen. Horrific torture.
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  Speaker 10: She was starved, She was assaulted in ways that I
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: cannot explain that I'm not allowed to explain. Graphic horrible
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: abuse is what she endured every single day.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: The beatings, the being forced to live in a dog
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: cage with a collar around her neck, the sex assaults.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Knowing he found her in an eating disordered chat.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Room, starving her, giving food as a reward for good behavior.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: But wait a minute, because of the heroic acts of
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Mom Shawna Burns, this is what happened.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 8: After a year being held captive, Hailey Burns manages to
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: access the Internet and meets a woman from Romania in
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: the chat room. Her name is Kat, and Haley tells
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: her what's happening to her. Hailey Burns doesn't know where
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: she is, but Kat is able to message Burns's mother
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: on Facebook. Shawna Burns sees the message and through Kat,
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: begins communicating with Haley. The FBI has called and Hailey
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: Burns is rescued after thirteen months of captivity.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Joining me right.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Now is a very high profile lawyer that I happened
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: to meet through his dogged defense.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Of a guilty mom.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I'll just throw it out there, renowned criminal defense attorney
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Derek Smith joining us and you can find him at
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: DWS legal dot com. Joining us out of this jurisdiction, Ohio.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Derek, Thank you for being with us.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Just a word to the wise, Derek, and you may
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: want to put this out there for whoever's watching right
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: now that may have Maddie, just because believed at the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: beginning that maybe Maddie was a runaway. If you take
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: a child, a minor and she is she's seventeen, and
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: you hold her against her will, you're going down for kidnapping, right.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: That carries in many jurisdictions twenty to life.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: So chew on that. Could you explain that, Derek, Well.
• 23:24
  Speaker 14: Absolutely, Nancy, and we touched on this before. A lot
• 23:27
  Speaker 14: of these instances where you see me it might be
• 23:30
  Speaker 14: a runaway, but they were actually lured away through some
• 23:34
  Speaker 14: kind of social media, whether it's a chat room or
• 23:36
  Speaker 14: a Facebook or Instagram, anything like that, and there's some
• 23:39
  Speaker 14: kind of common connection between the parties, whether it's cultural
• 23:43
  Speaker 14: or social, something that links the two together to where
• 23:47
  Speaker 14: the victim is not really aware that they're being abducted
• 23:50
  Speaker 14: at the time. I think that you know, the person
• 23:52
  Speaker 14: that they're talking to understands them or has some kind
• 23:56
  Speaker 14: of connection to them, and they're going to take them
• 23:58
  Speaker 14: away from whatever is going on at home, whether or
• 24:01
  Speaker 14: not it's it's true or not. And then the instance
• 24:04
  Speaker 14: when you know the cell phone, that's very key because
• 24:07
  Speaker 14: some of these abductors they're aware that that's how they
• 24:11
  Speaker 14: can be tracked as their cell phone, so they will
• 24:13
  Speaker 14: remove them from any access they have to the outside world,
• 24:15
  Speaker 14: whether it's a cell phone, internet, and does not have
• 24:19
  Speaker 14: any hardline phones very much anymore at some of these places.
• 24:22
  Speaker 14: So it's very it's very frustrating, you know, very scary.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: We love you and we're trying to find you.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Family of Missing Ohio Team Madison Rich pleads with the
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: public in their desperate search for their daughter, who has
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: been missing for more than a month.
• 24:42
  Speaker 15: Tracy Rich says her daughter, Mattie has serious medical issues
• 24:45
  Speaker 15: that require medication. The mother worries her daughter could be
• 24:48
  Speaker 15: in a dangerous situation. Tracy Rich is extremely worried about
• 24:52
  Speaker 15: Mattie having really low blood pressure and low heart rate.
• 24:55
  Speaker 15: These conditions required hospitalization in the last few months.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: In the last days, a vigil has been held to
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: bring Mattie Madison home. What mom when she gives birth
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: imagines one day holding a candle at a vigil for
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: her missing child. Tracy Rich, what went through your mind
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: as you are standing there at this vigil.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I was very overwhelmed.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: I was talking to people facing the lake, and then
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: when I had to turn around to speak to everybody,
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: just seeing everybody there.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Like I just broke down.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: I was just so overwhelmed with all of the support
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: everybody that came out, especially since it was raining earlier
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: that day. There was some of Maddie's friends, my friend's family,
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: and even random members of the community that even said,
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: we don't know you, we don't know your daughter, but
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: we're here. Please let us know what we can do.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: And I'm just very thankful for everybody's support.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: To Angela Arnold, who deals very heavily with women and girls'
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: issues and violence on women and girls. Doctor Angela Arnold,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: renown psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angie, you're a mom.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: You don't think about, you know, when you're bringing the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: baby home from the hospital and you're getting them into
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: a pre k and you're helping them through every step
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: of the way, that one day you're going to be
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: at a vigil begging people to help you bring your
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: girl home.
• 26:49
  Speaker 13: It is every mother's worst nightmare. As soon as you
• 26:52
  Speaker 13: have a baby, you start to worry about that baby's safety.
• 26:56
  Speaker 13: And this little girl is only she is only seventeen
• 26:59
  Speaker 13: years old old, which all of us know means that
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: her brain is not fully developed. So whatever happened between
• 27:07
  Speaker 13: the times she went missing to where she is now,
• 27:14
  Speaker 13: there are a lot of reasons why it could have happened.
• 27:16
  Speaker 13: She may have been quote unquote running away from something,
• 27:20
  Speaker 13: she may have been lured away, But the underlying fact
• 27:24
  Speaker 13: is she children at the age of seventeen do not
• 27:29
  Speaker 13: have good reasoning skills. So now if she is in
• 27:33
  Speaker 13: the hands of some sort of predator, that predator is
• 27:38
  Speaker 13: taking over her mind and convincing her of whatever he
• 27:43
  Speaker 13: or she wants to convince her of. So she is
• 27:46
  Speaker 13: most likely in a very dangerous predicament right now, which,
• 27:50
  Speaker 13: as you have said, is literally every mother's nightmare.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Tracy Rich, this is Mattie's mom. You immediately contact her
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: friends when you found her missing, because I believe it
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: was Jeff Casey earlier was saying.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: You know, friends are their world.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, somehow in the aging process, suddenly Mommy's not number
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: one anymore. Bestie is number one. What did you learn
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: from the friends and you went out that morning and
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: started trying to find her?
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Tell me what happened? How did that go down?
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: I went to some of her friend's house people had
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: not heard from her, or because it was early in
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: the morning, some people were still asleep. I immediately also
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: contacted the police. I think I contacted them super early
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: in the morning and they even went out looking and
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: unfortunately a lot of people have not you know, did
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: not hear from her. They were not there, and that's,
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: you know, something that got me really nervous because the
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: people that normally heard from her, you know, have not
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: been hearing from her. I'm very thankful for the Lakewood
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Police though, because they took me seriously from day one.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: They've been in communication with me, like they have not stopped.
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: You know, it's still an ongoing investigation. So it's heartbreaking
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: to hear shawn a story where people did not believe
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: her because I'm very thankful for Lakewood Police because I
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: you know, they've been supporting me since day one.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Where is Madison Rich joining me Tracy Rich, Madison's mom,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: along with SHAWNA. Burns, Derek Smith, Jeff Casey, doctor Angie Arnold,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: and brittany where. Tracy, what can you tell me about
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: the search for your daughter so far?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: What has been done?
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: A lot of stuff has been done on the police
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: U their bolow put down a lot of the information
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: of you know, where they think, you know, she was at. Unfortunately,
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: there are some things since it is and I'm going
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: to investigation that I cannot speak about. But I am
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: very thankful to the link with police and the surrounding
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: police stations. Everybody's been very community. They've been communicating very
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: well with me, and they are following up with any
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: and all leads.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, Tracy, were canines brought out? No, was an aerial
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: searchdown not to my knowledge. Question have you gotten.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: A hold of do you have access to her phone records?
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: The police have been working on some things that I
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: cannot speak about at this time.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, I can't stress how important that is. The phone
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: records Straight out to Derek Smith, high profile criminal defense
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: attorney in this jurisdiction of Ohio. Derek, you know how
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: long it takes for phone carriers to respond to a
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: subpoena forever And there have been actually laws that have
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: been passed in some handful of jurisdictions that allow them
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: to immediately hand over phone records when someone is deemed missing.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: It's very rare, but it does exist. So don't you
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: think that would be step number one? But now that
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the phone is dead, not helping me track her, but
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I could see who she was talking to last and
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: possibly find out who has lurered this girl.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Absolutely right, Nancy.
• 31:37
  Speaker 14: I mean getting those phone records, getting to see who
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: the last incoming text messages, incoming phone calls were coming
• 31:43
  Speaker 14: from is extremely important in a case like this, and
• 31:46
  Speaker 14: especially being able to see when social media apps she
• 31:49
  Speaker 14: was on.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: But also to.
• 31:51
  Speaker 14: Speak to the area. I do have offices in the
• 31:53
  Speaker 14: Laquid area, and I have seen some of the things
• 31:56
  Speaker 14: that the mom is doing around here to help find
• 31:58
  Speaker 14: her daughter. I want to commend her on that is.
• 32:01
  Speaker 14: It is heartbreaking to see what's going on, and I
• 32:05
  Speaker 14: can't understand you know how you're feeling and what you're
• 32:07
  Speaker 14: dealing with. But I do commend you on your efforts
• 32:10
  Speaker 14: and the community at large and the lake with police,
• 32:12
  Speaker 14: everyone doing exactly everything they can do to help bring
• 32:15
  Speaker 14: her back, and I really hope that they can find
• 32:17
  Speaker 14: her and bring her home safely.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Derek, what do you mean you've seen efforts by mom
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: to bring her daughter home.
• 32:22
  Speaker 14: I see the flyers, I see the signs that she
• 32:24
  Speaker 14: puts up. I saw the community rally that she had
• 32:27
  Speaker 14: in the park and everybody just really getting behind this
• 32:30
  Speaker 14: just to find help find Maddie and bring her home.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: So, bottom line, Derek Smith, before we brought you in
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: on this case, you had observed the effort to find her.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Bottom line, you'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: not to see these missing flyers around the area.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Absolutely?
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 32:50
  Speaker 14: Right, Nancy. I saw the flyers, you know, over a
• 32:53
  Speaker 14: month ago, going on my way to my offices, well
• 32:55
  Speaker 14: before I even knew this was you know, such a
• 32:58
  Speaker 14: such a large move.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: This teen girl has now been missing for weeks, her
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: mom joining us along with another mom whose teen girl
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: went missing. In that case of Haley Burns, Haley was
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: found after nearly a year, having been held in a
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: dog cage and starved and beaten and abused. Tonight, we
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: believe there's a very good chance that Maddie is still alive.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Disturbing her phone goes dead in an area that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: She does not frequent.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: In Cleveland, with one of the highest crime rates in
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: the United States, very often when a young girl von
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: voluntarily leaves the safety of mom and dad's home, things
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: go sideways. Bringing to mind Alicia kosey Kevitch our friend.
• 33:51
  Speaker 16: Listen, I knew early on that he didn't have any
• 33:54
  Speaker 16: other option than to get rid of me at some point.
• 33:57
  Speaker 16: So I focused on the only how that I had
• 34:00
  Speaker 16: was trying to stay alive as long as possible and
• 34:04
  Speaker 16: to get him to see me. My mind jumped into
• 34:06
  Speaker 16: some sort of something instinctual and that he sees you
• 34:09
  Speaker 16: as an object and an object that he wants to
• 34:10
  Speaker 16: hurt and torture. They can see you as a human,
• 34:14
  Speaker 16: and so I did whatever I had judici to survive
• 34:17
  Speaker 16: and try to it makes my son trying to say
• 34:20
  Speaker 16: this word, but connect with him in whatever way that
• 34:23
  Speaker 16: I could. And on that day he said, I'm beginning
• 34:25
  Speaker 16: to like you too much. Tonight we're going to go.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: For a ride.
• 34:28
  Speaker 16: And I knew at that point that that was not
• 34:31
  Speaker 16: even availed thread. It was very clearly a threat and
• 34:35
  Speaker 16: that he was going to kill me.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: That's Alicia Kuskevitch, who survived, as did Haley Burns, after
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: being tortured and mistreated.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: What is happening tonight to teame girl, Maddie? What is
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: she living through?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Tracy Rich joining us Maddie Madison Rich's mom, Tracy, do
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: you believe there has been any attempt to contact you?
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: I'm hoping that she's trying to contact me. I just
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: unfortunately it's never been this long that even her friends
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: and social media hasn't you know, had any signs of,
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: you know, Maddie trying to contact. And that's just what
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: makes this just a huge red flag. It just makes
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: this just so nerve wracking because we have no idea
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: who she's with, where she's at. But every type, you know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: I have the chance I, you know, let her know,
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: you know, like Maddie, if you if you hear me,
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: if you see this, you know, please try to come home.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: You know. We're hoping that you know, she's able to
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: try to contact, and we're just hoping that she's going
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: to be able to come home soon and be safe.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: What do her friends say, Tracy.
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: They're very concerned as well. They a lot of them
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: were at the support vigil and it was just a
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: little heartbreaking to see how upset they were. They were
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: trying to console me as I was, you know, and
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: so we're in trying to console them. They've been going
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: on social media reposting as well, trying to you know,
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: see if anyone's heard from her. I mean, like me,
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: every day, I'm at least posting one or two things
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: on social media. Just trying to get the word out,
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: and I'm so appreciative that they're also doing the same
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: thing and their social media. You know, they're worried about Maddie.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: They love her so much and they want to do
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: anything that they can to bring her home safe.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Tracy Richard, you considered bringing in the FBI.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: We've been in contact with lake With police, and again,
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: it is an ongoing investigation and there are some things
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: that I'm unable to speak about, but like what police
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: is doing everything in their power to bring her home,
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: and I'm very appreciative with everything that they're doing.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Brittany, We're joining investigator reporter WIO Cleveland nineteen dot com. Brittany,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: what can you tell me about the search and what
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: you know that's happening right now?
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: So we know that police they are focusing again, they're
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: focusing on that cell phone, but now they're just continued
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: to just continue searching those areas where that cell phone
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: was pained. I did talk to the Lakewood Police and
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: they say they are They told us they're doing everything
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: that they can. Again, as Terracy said, there are some
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: details that they're not able to share with even me
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: just because of this ongoing investigation, but I know that
• 37:33
  Speaker 9: they're working with other local departments to keep an eye
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: out and continuing to post those pictures so that Matty's
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: space is always out there for the community to see.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Tracy Rich, do you believe that police have obtained video
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: surveillance from the hotel where her phone less pained?
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: I get Unfortunately I am unable to speak on certain things,
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  Speaker 6: but I do know that they're doing everything and their
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  Speaker 6: power to find her and bring her home, and I
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: am behind them one hundred percent with everything that they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: What is your message, Tracy, just.
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  Speaker 6: Whatever our messages is, Please, if you see something, say something.
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  Speaker 6: If anybody hears anything, if anybody thinks that they saw
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: Maddie walking down the street, you know, when they're in
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: the car and they're not even one hundred percent sure,
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: please do not hesitate. Please call local law enforcement. Please
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: call nine one one, Just please do not wait. We
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: know a lot of times people go, I don't really
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  Speaker 6: know if that's her or I don't know if this
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: information will be helpful. It doesn't matter. Any little piece
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: could be that one piece to help you know, complete
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: this missing puzzle. You can also be anonymous. We do
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: not need to know your name. Whether you call your
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: local police, whether you call nine one one, you do
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: not have to give your name. Just please, if anybody
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: see something, please say something.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Shawna Burns joining us Haley Burns's mom who lived through
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: this nightmare herself. Shawna, what is your advice tonight?
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  Speaker 12: Don't give up and continue doing everything that you are doing.
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  Speaker 12: Get her name out there in every possibility that you can,
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  Speaker 12: share it on social media as much as you can,
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  Speaker 12: make friends with as many media and reporters as you can,
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  Speaker 12: and know that they do get rescued. It does happen.
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  Speaker 12: It doesn't always happen, but it does happen, and I
• 39:36
  Speaker 12: am proof of that.
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  Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: disappearance of this teen girl, Maddie Madison Rich, contact Detective
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  Speaker 2: Michael Purrix two one six five two nine six '
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  Speaker 2: seven six ' six. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,