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The Cost Of Being A Woman & How To Outsmart It · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gaddigal Land, Always was, always
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  Speaker 1: Keep listening to find out how you can stretch your
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  Speaker 1: I'm out and I'm sal And this is two broad
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  Speaker 1: chicks to show that shares life lessons and tips to
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  Speaker 1: help make you rich in life. Welcome back to a
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  Speaker 1: fabulous new week Cheeky Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's locked in. How's your eat bins?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been good, but I'm actually more excited for
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  Speaker 1: the weekend because we're going a lane way on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, yes, I can't believe it's already here by
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  Speaker 1: this point in time of the episode coming out.
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  Speaker 2: Well know who Sally is? I know, and we would
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  Speaker 2: have seen Chapel Roon. Oh I love her. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I'm going to get shy. I know, do you want?
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  Speaker 2: Chapel Roane is like my concert fanfic of like reading
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  Speaker 2: a book in the crowd and being like, sh'll pick me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, You'll be like shaving your body head to toe
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  Speaker 1: just in case yeah, I'm really excited. I'm really excited
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  Speaker 1: to see who the role model Sally's will be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, who would be your predictions?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so who are your who are your predictions for
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  Speaker 1: role model Sally at Laneway?
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  Speaker 2: I think Robert Owen. Yeah, this is more my wish list. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we can make you wish list predictions.
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  Speaker 1: This is my Delulu wish list prediction and serious answers.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, a wiggle, Yes, the blue Wiggle.
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Murray, Murray, all the Wiggles, all of them. Greg,
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  Speaker 1: don't do that anyway, Kylie Minogue. I wouldn't be surprised
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  Speaker 1: if it was Delta Gudrum.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she'd be great. What about you? I would love
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  Speaker 2: shall oh fuck yes? Yeah, Daryl braithwait, oh even better.
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  Speaker 1: I could also maybe see like the Bananas and Pajamas
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  Speaker 1: or Bluey, like the whole Bluey family. I wonder how
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  Speaker 1: they would do that. They would be like mascots. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you lost me there. We are talking about the cost
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  Speaker 1: of being a woman and how to outsmart it. Because
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  Speaker 1: this is not a new concept. I think we are
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  Speaker 1: all very aware of these things that happen, but when
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  Speaker 1: you shine a light on it, knowledge is power. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so we won't get two depresso vibes in it, but
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  Speaker 1: it's more about equipping you with the knowledge so that.
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  Speaker 2: You can take action with it.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I'm wing l lef
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  Speaker 1: to know, Sally, what are you obsessed with this week?
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  Speaker 1: My obsession of the week is dusk. Yes, we are
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  Speaker 1: all sleeping on dust. Oh my god, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why dusk isn't talked about more right.
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  Speaker 2: I love dust.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's a household name. I think everybody knows that.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's bought like a candle from others.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to have a resurgence. It's they're going to
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  Speaker 2: have a slay error.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe twenty six is the year of dust slay
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  Speaker 1: error and I am here for it. At the end
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  Speaker 1: of last year, we did some content around their Strawberry
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  Speaker 1: Shortcake collection.
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  Speaker 2: Which is so cute, which was so cute, But then
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  Speaker 2: they've also released this.
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  Speaker 1: Adorable Valentine's Day collection as well, which is amazing. And
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  Speaker 1: then they also invited us to an event this week
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  Speaker 1: for their new Essence collection, which is like a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of candles, room spraysed, diffuses, moisturizes, all of these products
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  Speaker 1: that are made in Australia and like inspired by.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, like a bunch of different steps, a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of different sense.
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  Speaker 3: There's some that are like gourmand, and then there's some
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  Speaker 3: that are very like Spa, and then there's some that
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  Speaker 3: are very fresh like nature inspired.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So whether you were like a sweet tooth girly or
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  Speaker 1: you prefer something that's maybe even a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: gender neutral, or yeah, something that smells really clean, there
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  Speaker 1: really was like a cent profile for each one.
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  Speaker 2: And I love that when.
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  Speaker 1: You can buy like a little pack of like the
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  Speaker 1: candle and the diffuser and the moisturizer, like very.
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  Speaker 2: Good for yourself, but also for gifts.
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  Speaker 1: Like we've got Valentine's Day coming up, Mother's Day will
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  Speaker 1: be here before we know it, my Birthday soon if
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  Speaker 1: anyone wants to buy me. Birthdays are coming up. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: not spawn, not spawn, but had the best time.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I got the almond croissant candle.
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck is in that? Because it smells delicious.
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  Speaker 2: It smells exactly like an army.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's so beautiful and sweet and like toasty, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: love it, love it, love it, love it, love it.
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  Speaker 2: Love that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: What's your obsession of My obsession of the week is
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  Speaker 1: so fucking random, but it is an Instagram post.
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  Speaker 2: I saw that.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to talk about this on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, and it's horse facts.
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  Speaker 2: You probably didn't know, I know. Are you like, are
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  Speaker 2: you locked in? I'm sad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the Let's bring about the horse girl Year
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  Speaker 3: of the Horse, Year of the Horse almost here? Oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, horses can't burp or vomit. Do you know that
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  Speaker 1: rabbits can't vomit either?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so weird. It's really annoying because then if
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  Speaker 1: they eat something that they're not supposed to, take them
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  Speaker 1: to the veta.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like the whole thing all over Red River.
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  Speaker 2: You can tell a horse's mood by their ears. Oh
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  Speaker 2: are they like down? If they're a bit upset, I
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  Speaker 2: think they go back. They do like the cat dragon ears.
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  Speaker 2: They go back if they're like annoyed.
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  Speaker 1: I love that horses can't breathe through their mouths.
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  Speaker 2: Nostrils only, nostril game only.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, horses have best friends and get stressed when apart.
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  Speaker 2: Bless them. I'm like, we are horses. Yeah, we are worms.
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  Speaker 2: Horses have three point fifty degree vision.
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  Speaker 1: Shit, I know, wow, isn't that the same with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of animals whose eyes are like kind of on
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  Speaker 1: the side of their head.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what kind of pissed me off a
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  Speaker 2: bit with that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know how they say, don't walk behind a
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  Speaker 1: horse because they can't see you, so they get nervous,
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  Speaker 1: so they kick you.
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  Speaker 2: They can see you, so they'll just be kicking you
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  Speaker 2: for the fun. I kind of love that. You're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm valid. Yeah, sorry for being in your space, Magae.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that was my.
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  Speaker 1: Really stupid obsession of the week that I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I love this post.
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  Speaker 2: It's the best one. Yeah, I know. Let's bring back
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  Speaker 2: horse facts. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Each week we're going to bring a new animal facts.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's the new show. We're actually not
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  Speaker 1: even going to talk about life and shopping anymore.
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  Speaker 2: We're just going to talk about animal facts. Yeah, Rebird
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  Speaker 2: for the basics for the rundown. What is the pink tax?
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  Speaker 1: So the pink tax refers to the extra amount that
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  Speaker 1: women pay for basically the same products because they're being
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  Speaker 1: marketed to women. Yeah, so think like a pink razor
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  Speaker 1: versus Blue Razor, And like we said at the start,
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  Speaker 1: the point of this episode is so highlight the issue
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  Speaker 1: because when you know about it, you can outsmart it.
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  Speaker 2: And it is incredibly frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: Even when we're putting this episode together, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: it's really hard not to just like slip into a
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  Speaker 1: paralysis of despair. But it does help to know and
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  Speaker 1: identify it because then you can avoid it. It's like
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  Speaker 1: not looking at your bank account, right. If you don't
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  Speaker 1: look at your bank account, you don't know where your
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  Speaker 1: money's going. If you don't know about these issues, you
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  Speaker 1: don't know how to avoid them exactly. And also having
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  Speaker 1: conversations about this kind of stuff is the only way
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  Speaker 1: that we will ever get changed. Yes, and like we'll
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  Speaker 1: touch on some of these things as well in the episode,
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  Speaker 1: but there are pieces of legislation and stuff that are
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  Speaker 1: rolling out to improve some of these things.
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  Speaker 2: So definitely not all hope is lost.
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  Speaker 1: And we are I do think that things are getting
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  Speaker 1: better every single day, but good to be aware.
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  Speaker 3: A big part of this conversation is not only that
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  Speaker 3: it's more expensive to be a woman, but that there's
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  Speaker 3: literally a gender pay gap, so it's more expensive in
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  Speaker 3: cost to be a woman, but we also don't get
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  Speaker 3: paid as much.
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  Speaker 2: We just curl sarcasm.
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  Speaker 3: So the national gender pay gap, according to the Australian
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  Speaker 3: Bureau of Statistics, is eleven point five percent.
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  Speaker 2: Over the course of a year, this.
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  Speaker 1: Difference adds up to an average loss of twelve thousand,
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  Speaker 1: six hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's also a misconception that the gender pay
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  Speaker 1: gap doesn't exist, but like the facts and figures here
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  Speaker 1: show that it does. And there's also been research that
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  Speaker 1: found that women pay an average of thirteen hundred dollars
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  Speaker 1: more per year than men on everyday consumer products due
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  Speaker 1: to the pink tax. And we also saw a report
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  Speaker 1: from Finder that found that Australian women hold forty percent
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  Speaker 1: less net wealth compared to men on average.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, So what do you mean by net wealth?
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  Speaker 1: When you're see a net wealth refers to it's like
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  Speaker 1: the big picture of your wealth. So it includes things
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  Speaker 1: like your income, your super your assets, so if you
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  Speaker 1: own a home, stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Like that, investing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's kind of like the big picture of
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  Speaker 1: how much your worth. But this trend also continues into
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  Speaker 1: our retirement. I think a lot of us do know
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  Speaker 1: that women also retire with less super than men. The
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  Speaker 1: average balance for males age fifteen and over was one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty nine thousand roughly, while for females it
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  Speaker 1: was one hundred and fifty thousand, which is a gap
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  Speaker 1: of twenty point five percent, and as a result, the
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  Speaker 1: average woman has to work eleven years more than the
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  Speaker 1: average man to retire with the same super innuation balance.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we've spoken about this before, but there are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of different things that contribute to that, including
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  Speaker 1: women earning less than men, but also women going on
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  Speaker 1: maternity leave and therefore earning less super over the course
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  Speaker 1: of their career. Women like getting full time jobs later
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  Speaker 1: in life than men, So there are a lot of.
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  Speaker 2: Different factors at play.
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  Speaker 1: But as I sort of touched on at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the episode, the Australian government, I do think, is
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  Speaker 1: trying to address some of these issues. There's actually a
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  Speaker 1: new reform that's rolling out in the new financial year.
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  Speaker 1: So on the first of July twenty twenty six, the
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  Speaker 1: new payday super reforms will kick in, which means employees
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  Speaker 1: will be required to ensure superannuation contributions are paid to
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  Speaker 1: their employees. Super funds within seven business days of payday,
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  Speaker 1: so that will have an impact on the compound interest
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  Speaker 1: of your supervit. That's cool, yeah, so, but I also
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  Speaker 1: just think that there needs to be more legislations rolled
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  Speaker 1: out in terms of like monetary support for people who
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  Speaker 1: go on maternity leave. I think also like the conversations
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  Speaker 1: around if you're in like a HEATERO relationship, or even
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  Speaker 1: if you're just in a relationship and you're the person
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  Speaker 1: who's taking maternity leave and your partner is working full time,
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  Speaker 1: like them potentially contributing to your super as well, because yeah,
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  Speaker 1: taking care of children and going on maternity leave is unpaid,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll get into as well, but there's definitely a
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  Speaker 1: lot of steps that we need to take. It makes
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  Speaker 1: you think about though as well, like single mothers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like people who don't have even have that option.
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  Speaker 3: That they then have the single tax on top of
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  Speaker 3: the pink tacks.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not laughing that had the situation face.
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  Speaker 1: Literally, you know, like in a cartoon and somebody like
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  Speaker 1: turns into a tea kettle and it's like the stem.
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  Speaker 2: Out of their ears. That was main Sorry, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I think it would be great to see more support
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  Speaker 1: for those. Yeah, and I do you know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of us as well. We don't think about superannuation because
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  Speaker 1: it's only something that we.
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  Speaker 2: Really would care about when we retire.
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  Speaker 1: But it is something that the sooner that you address
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  Speaker 1: it and look into it, the better off you'll be, especially.
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  Speaker 2: As a woman.
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  Speaker 1: One.
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  Speaker 3: If there's one task you do this weekend, I would
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  Speaker 3: highly recommend looking into your super and during that you
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  Speaker 3: know you're earning the best interest on that that you can,
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  Speaker 3: that you know your values aligned with how your super
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  Speaker 3: invests and.
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  Speaker 1: All consolidated your accounts you switch jobs, and also that
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  Speaker 1: you that your employer is definitely paying like the minium correct, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because sometimes those things fall through the cracks just by
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  Speaker 1: human error, so it's really good to stay.
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  Speaker 2: On top of it.
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  Speaker 1: So you may think that the pink tax is only
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  Speaker 1: things like the stereotypical example we see of like raisors, right,
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  Speaker 1: but it's also items like shirts, jumpers, active where these
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  Speaker 1: all cost women around eight percent more on average than
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  Speaker 1: male equivalents, which is really annoying. So we decided to
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  Speaker 1: name and shame, and we wanted to give you some examples.
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  Speaker 1: So e venroy men's cotton lightweight tea costs one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and ten dollars, whereas Evenroy women's cotton lightweight tea costs
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty. Men's Polar Ralph lurent fit krew
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  Speaker 1: neck t shirt costs ninety nine dollars, and then the
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  Speaker 1: women's Polo Ralph Laren cotton jersey kru neck is one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and nineteen dollars, which is a twenty percent price increase.
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  Speaker 1: Men's Levi's five oh one original genes cost one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twenty nine dollars and ninety five cents, whereas women's
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  Speaker 1: Levi's five oh one original genes cost one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty nine dollars and ninety five cents, which is a
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  Speaker 1: twenty three percent price increase.
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  Speaker 2: We then get into the typical vibes.
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  Speaker 1: A coal's men's disposable raiser is twenty two cents each
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  Speaker 1: and a coal's women's disposable raiser is twenty five cents each.
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  Speaker 2: So it's everything.
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  Speaker 3: It's just because these things are marketed to women, they
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  Speaker 3: have an increase in price.
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  Speaker 2: It's not fair. It's not because I'm like, what is
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  Speaker 2: the difference.
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  Speaker 1: It's also you can't even argue that it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: design or anything like that, because men's items are larger,
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  Speaker 1: it's more brick. So true, Like that's what I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking about this morning that I was like, it actually
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  Speaker 1: is more fabric to make men's clothing, but it's less expensive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: let's get back into the episode. Okay, I truly believe
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  Speaker 1: if you are in a relationship as well, and a
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  Speaker 1: hetero relationship, birth control should be a shared cost, I think, so,
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  Speaker 1: I do not think that the woman should just be
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  Speaker 1: paying for their birth control. Yeah, I agree, well, because
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  Speaker 1: both people are benefiting exactly from that. And I do
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  Speaker 1: also think like you could make the same case for
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  Speaker 1: condoms too. Yeah, Like I'm not saying that only in
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  Speaker 1: a hetero relationship, only men should have to chip in
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: for you know, birth control in that way. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it then also brings in the which has been like
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  Speaker 1: a really big topic of conversation in recent years, and
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  Speaker 1: it's really great that we're shining a light on it.
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  Speaker 1: But it's the cost of domestic labor and the unpaid
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  Speaker 1: labor of women. And I'm sure everyone listening to this
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  Speaker 1: as they've gotten older have realized, like how much goes
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  Speaker 1: into it. Like women contribute sixty one point five percent
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  Speaker 1: of total time spent on unpaid work and care in
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  Speaker 1: the household, and it's an average of three hours and
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  Speaker 1: fifty six minutes per day, which is seven hundred and
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  Speaker 1: seventy one dollars worth of unpaid labor per week. But
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  Speaker 1: when you compare that to men, men's typical unpaid work
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  Speaker 1: and care averages two hours and twenty eight minutes per day,
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  Speaker 1: adding up to four hundred and ninety three dollars per week.
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  Speaker 2: And I think when you.
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  Speaker 1: Have this conversation, there's a lot of like pushback of
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  Speaker 1: being like, oh, well, like men do stuff too. No
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  Speaker 1: one's saying men don't do it. Yeah, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: when you compare it, women do more exactly, And it's
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  Speaker 1: no longer the fifties. Like women also aren't all stay
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  Speaker 1: at home mums and not saying that they shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: compensated even if they are staying at home full time
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  Speaker 1: because that is still work. But I'm also saying that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of couples both people have full time jobs. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and yet women are still carrying out more unpaid labor
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  Speaker 1: than men. It's not even like as we've seen, you know,
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  Speaker 1: more women enter the workforce full time and then we're
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  Speaker 1: seeing that even out like that isn't the case. Still
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  Speaker 1: we can still work the same hours every week, and
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  Speaker 1: yet women are still doing more of that unpaid labor
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  Speaker 1: than men. Yeah. I do want to get into Michelle
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Obama's recent appearance on Call Her Daddy, because she actually
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: spoke about a really important part of this entire conversation,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: and it's how appearance also plays into the cost of
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: being a woman, because have you seen those tiktoks? And
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: it's like, do you split the cost of a date? Yeah,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: because the woman has had to buy.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Makeup and maybe get her hair done and buy an
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: outfit and all of those things.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, she doesn't have to do that.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And from some of the research I did, she
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: kind of does.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to get into it. Bear with me.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying she does.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: What you mean the expectations and the expectation for women
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: to have a put together appearance is a direct correlation
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: to how much money she earns.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: So, Michelle Obama addressed the intense scrutiny of her appearance
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: during her time as First Lady and discussed the ongoing
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: and systemic misogyny women face. She highlighted that public focus
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: often centers on a women's looks rather than her professional accomplishments,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: such as her own background in law, while also expressing
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: doubt that the US is even ready for a female president.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: So she was saying how she always gets like us
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: like when are you running? When are you running? And
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: she goes, well, you're not ready for that? Well, clearly
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: look at yeah, she.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Stated, I mean I practiced law. I was an assistant
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: to the mayor in Chicago.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I ran a nonprofit that quickly my shoes become the
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: most important thing about me. We have to think a
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: lot more to strike that balance and to be thoughtful
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: about what message we're sending, giving and receiving. So this
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: kind of inspired me to look a little bit deeper
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: into you know, why are we so focused on it?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: What's like, why is there such a spotlight?
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: And I found that attractive individuals earn roughly twenty percent
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: more than people of average attractiveness.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. So there's the pretty
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: privileged rabbit hole that we could go down right when
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you deep into it. Right, A lot of the studies
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and it was about being put together and like grooming and.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: All of that stuff.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: So a study by sociologists Jacquelin Wong and Andrew Penna
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: found that women who were well groomed earned a considerable
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: amount more than those who were considered not. The study
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: found that well groomed, which I yeah, it is.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Like giving me my dog.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, do I need to shave my backside?
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: So pool doesn't get stuck to my fur to talk
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: to you about.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Me.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: As I was saying, studies beyond that well groomed women
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: of average attractiveness made around nine hundred dollars more annually
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: than an average looking or groomed woman, And like, am
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: I even fucking surprised at this point?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: No, what does that even mean?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: So, because I think that's you might get into this
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: as well. But also I'm thinking because I'm sure people
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: would say, oh, but I'm sure that's the same for men,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Like I'm sure attractive it was. It was in the study,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Attractive and well groomed men also did earn more.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it wasn't to the same standard.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Like for men, it also had in their like charm
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: and charisma and having a pressed shirt, whereas like for women,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: majority of that consideration came from what they look like.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: And we actually polled our audience and over seventy percent
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: of women feel pressure to have a good appearance in
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: order to be taken seriously, which is crazy. I remember
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: seeing Brooklyn who Suklan on TikTok, and she went to
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: a hair salon and I can't remember if it was
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: like a contra collab or if she paid. I'm not
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: quite sure, but the salon was like, oh, we can,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: can we film content? She was like, yeah, sure, And
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: she went to the appointment and she wasn't wearing makeup
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: because she was just like, I just don't really wear
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: that makeup that much, Like I just don't do it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: And then the salon asked her to come back the
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: next day to take footage and content, but they asked
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: her to come back with makeup on.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: That's so fun? How fucked is that?
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I'm also paraphrasing, so there might be other details to that, but.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: We can find the original. Yeah, isn't that.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Wild that even like the calls coming from inside the house,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: you know, and like it's not necessarily women's fault either,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: like we haven't set this system up.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: But it is totalogyny.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is also you know, good to break out
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: of it and step away from leaning into that and
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: not putting pressure on women to show up in spaces
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And I just find.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: It so frustrating because women are also made to feel
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: frivolous for buying things like makeup or spending money on clothes,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: but it's actually evidently not and it's like that whole
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: thing of women's shop that men buy that like, women
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: always buy these stupid little chrink kets and their foundation
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: and their.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Lipstick and all this stuff. It's like, well, if we
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: don't wear them further behind.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Like you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: One thousand percent.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: And the average woman spends fifty five minutes a day
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: on their appearance.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Between that and my screen time, no wonder, I don't
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: get anything done.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Because we love smart, intelligent queens. We have collated some
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: of your answers on how you outsmart the gender pay
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: gap and also some of our own.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I want to start with the first.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: And probably the most obvious, and it's pursuing a pay
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: increase and also wage transparency, Like I feel like there's
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with asking your male colleagues what they earn. Yeah,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: and if they're nervous to tell you, red flag yeah
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: in the bit in there.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: So, a recent study showed that fifty four percent of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: women across the country have never asked for a pay rise.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. How fucked is more than half?
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: More than half, And disappointingly, a third of them said
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: it's because they fear there will be negative consequences if
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: they do. But the best way to get a pay
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: rise leave, Like I know that it's also not as
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: easy as that, and getting a new job is also hard.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: It's more work that you've got to put into, you know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: your resume and building that and it can be anxiety inducing,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: but it will pay off in the long run because
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: as of September twenty twenty five quarter, and you'll page,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: growth was three point four percent, holding steady from the
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: June twenty twenty five quarter. So if we're going to
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: pull in some averages and do some maths, which I
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: did check this okay. According to the Australian Bureau of
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Statistics started from twenty twenty five, full time workers in
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Australia on average earned one hundred and four thousand, five
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: hundred and seventy two dollars is an annual income based
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: on ordinary weekly income of fifty two weeks, which.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I was like, that's that feels high. Yeah, when do
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you think about that?
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I guess not average, But that's actually it's kind of
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: crazy that, like the average salary is now like six figures,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Like I feel like that shows you.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: How expensive life.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Is because majority of Australians are in a cost of
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: living crisis. Yeah, and then if we're using that average
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: annual wage growth over ten years, if you don't ask
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: for a pay rise, even just using the average, you
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: would miss out one hundred and seventy five four hundred
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: and one dollars.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: That's literally one point.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Seven years of salary, a house deposit in a lot
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: of parts of Australia, years of super contributions that you'll
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: never get back. And it doesn't even include bonus increases,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: promotions or you're super compounding.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And there's also that very well known statistic as well
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: that women won't apply for a job unless there are
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent qualified, And I feel like it's the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: same in this kind of scenario too, like if it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: asking for a promotion or a pay rise, like women
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: do experience a lot of imposter syndrome where they feel
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: like they're not good enough or not worthy. But you are, seriously,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you have to go in with the confidence of the
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: medio mediocre white man in the room. So some other
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: ways that you can also outsmart the gender pay gap
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: is to start purchasing by unit price, so when you
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: actually look at you know, buying in bulk and bulk items.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: You can actually save a lot of money that way.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I've got a piece of content coming out soon where
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I compared like shampoo, Where the why did I say, Like,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: why did I really emphasize the pool shampoo?
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Have you heard of shampoo? No? I liked, I'm gonna yeah,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I've got to poo my hair.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I love that, I'm in everything shell, I'm shaving my
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: body and I'm pooming my.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, stop rolling that out.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Ship. Put like a little apostrophe on one of the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: o's as well.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly make it look really nancy, Oh my god.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, the beautifrice and then obviously buying men or
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: unisex clothing. But even when we were running through some
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: of the examples of the pink tax and examples where
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the men's version was a lot cheaper than the women's version,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: like those are examples of as well where you could
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: be looking at brands that stock both men and women's
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and looking at some of the men's items because like
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: a T shirt that doesn't like you can buy that
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: from either.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Section, but if you can get it cheaper, do that.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: And there are so many items as well.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: For example, when we asked you, chicks, how you outsmart
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the gender pay gap and the pink tacks. One of
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: them was buying men's beard dye as eyebrow dye.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so smart.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Another one was, you know, buying men's raisors deodorant and shampoo.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you can transition this to more things like
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: h and m Zara cotton one. You can transition a
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: lot of those products, even things like belts and whatever
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't need to necessarily be supersized to you. Yeah, another
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: stuff from the Chicks was weaponized in competence, like fine,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just a girl, I'm not gonna do it. Then.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I kind of like that we did speak about
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: this earlier in the episode.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: But I do think that we should be having these
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: conversations with the men in their life on contributing to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: things evenly, so whether that is domestic labor, having those
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: hard conversations with your partner and like have the conversation
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: be like, I'm not your mom, but I know that
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: it's also that's annoying, that's like me, that's a mental
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: load in itself having to have that conversation.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: But it can have.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Beneficial results, I do think. But also yeah, for things
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: like contraception or period products and asking your partner to
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: help contribute to some of those things as well. Also
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: like getting your boyfriend to have like a period tracker
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: app I feel like is one too, and be like
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I have to carry the mental load of my menstrual
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: cycle and how that's going to impact me. You should
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: as well, literally, like you should be considerate of those
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: things and like the things that I might need during
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: different cycles in the month. Like we said at the
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: top of this episode, we didn't want it to be
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: an episode that was doom and gloom.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of these.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Factors and things that we have to deal with as
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: women can be a little bit demoralizing. But again, like
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: without having these conversations, change isn't going to happen.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And call it out.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Like when you see brands increasing the price just for women,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: call it out, email them, ask why it's that, because
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I would love to know.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, literally love to see what the response is. Percent.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Well, that is a rat for today's episode of Two
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Broke Chicks. Thank you so much for having us in
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: your ear holes, and we'll catch you next time.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: We love to be here. Chicky's I cheer Babe.
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