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Who’s Actually Pitching for the Cubs Next Year? · Monday Morning Cubs Show

0:09
SPEAKER_01: And we're clear.
0:11
SPEAKER_01: Holy smokes.
0:12
SPEAKER_01: Good morning, good afternoon, and evening, Chicago Cubs fans.
0:15
SPEAKER_01: And welcome back to the Monday Morning Cubs Show.
0:18
SPEAKER_01: Today is Tuesday.
0:19
SPEAKER_01: Mahoney, today is Tuesday, October 20th, and it's good to see you everyone.
0:23
SPEAKER_00: Carl Ditto, as always, good to see you.
0:26
SPEAKER_00: Leaves are falling, sun is shining.
0:28
SPEAKER_00: As we like to say on the show, the air is crisp.
0:31
SPEAKER_01: It is crisp.
0:32
SPEAKER_01: The Bears are 4 and 2.
0:34
SPEAKER_01: We're deep into the offseason for the Cubs because we're 14 games behind the Brewers who are playing in the World Series.
0:40
SPEAKER_01: And I'm not mad about that.
0:42
SPEAKER_01: We'll talk just briefly about that.
0:44
SPEAKER_01: We got some great baller strike here, but it's just, I'll say it again, it's good to see him, my honey.
0:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
0:50
SPEAKER_00: Dude, it's nice just to wake up on a Tuesday morning in the offseason.
0:54
SPEAKER_00: And maniacs, as you know, sometimes the Monday morning Cub show will be on a Tuesday during the offseason.
1:01
SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
1:02
SPEAKER_00: It's just because we're two busy characters here.
1:05
SPEAKER_00: We also do have lives.
1:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's like time.
1:08
SPEAKER_01: It's time to go to the for 26 straight weeks, whatever it is, for 30 weeks, whatever the major league season is.
1:15
SPEAKER_01: That Sunday night, Monday morning is almost immovable for us.
1:18
SPEAKER_01: And then we flex to two shows a week.
1:19
SPEAKER_01: So some housekeeping stuff.
1:21
SPEAKER_01: You may get the Monday morning cub show on Tuesday mornings in the offseason.
1:25
SPEAKER_01: You know, you just stay with us here, guys, is my point.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, stick with us.
1:30
SPEAKER_00: I mean, and I'm a type of guy too.
1:32
SPEAKER_00: I'll miss an episode here and there.
1:33
SPEAKER_00: You all know Carl drops the solos that we all have come to absolutely love.
1:38
SPEAKER_00: But I'll also say this: it's a grind.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: You can just doing the Monday morning cub show, you know, 85% of the time.
1:45
SPEAKER_00: I I'm telling you, once the season's over, now I'd be much rather talking about them now and you know, the course of the World Series and such, but we know that that's not the case.
1:54
SPEAKER_00: And all of that said, it's nice to just kind of take a little bit of a breather and and pull it back 10,000 foot view.
2:03
SPEAKER_01: If we want to have a good season next year, if we want to have a good job do a good job covering off season, yeah, I gotta recharge the batteries here a little bit.
2:10
SPEAKER_01: And we are busy.
2:11
SPEAKER_01: So this isn't anything for the audience to say we don't care, but we do love you.
2:15
SPEAKER_01: And we are in our off-season mode of preparing for, you know, like we got to get better than the Brewers.
2:20
SPEAKER_01: We just have to.
2:21
SPEAKER_01: We we have to come out and win the division next year.
2:24
SPEAKER_01: We have to be ready for a lockout.
2:25
SPEAKER_01: We have we have to be ready for the for the all-star game at Wrigley Field.
2:28
SPEAKER_01: There's so much stuff to get ready for, Mahoney.
2:30
SPEAKER_01: You know, that's where my head's at.
2:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, just think about the will they be moving forward with like infrastructure work if there is a pending lockout for that all-star game.
2:40
SPEAKER_00: I know that there was a lot of security aspects that have to go in.
2:43
SPEAKER_00: Are they going to prepare for that?
2:45
SPEAKER_00: I do think if you see a shovel at Wrigley, that could be an indicator.
2:50
SPEAKER_00: Might be an indicator that we're playing baseball.
2:52
SPEAKER_00: If you don't, ladies and gentlemen, that might tell the story that there's that lockout impending.
2:57
SPEAKER_01: That's a the Chicago labor scene is a is a great barometer for where we're at on the lockout.
3:03
SPEAKER_01: If I'm picking up on what you're saying.
3:04
SPEAKER_01: Like if the union guys are out, that means we're making progress behind the scenes with the CPA.
3:09
SPEAKER_00: Well, Carl, it's funny and a little bit unrelated, but I'm over off of 53 and they're widening that highway right here in Arlington Heights.
3:16
SPEAKER_00: And if you're telling me that the bears are still out out in Illinois, uh you should go take a look at the congestion with them redoing the bridges, widening the streets, all that would feed into that entertainment district.
3:29
SPEAKER_00: So it's not nothing.
3:32
SPEAKER_00: Boots on the ground.
3:32
SPEAKER_00: Mahoney's got the ground.
3:34
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
3:35
SPEAKER_01: He's got his he's got his ear.
3:36
SPEAKER_01: What is it?
3:37
SPEAKER_01: Ear to the nose to the grindstone, ear to the what?
3:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh ear to the window.
3:42
SPEAKER_00: I I don't know.
3:43
SPEAKER_01: Eye on the ball.
3:45
SPEAKER_01: There we go.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: Strike.
3:47
SPEAKER_01: Big Monday morning cup show.
3:49
SPEAKER_01: Not really.
3:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we've got some good baller strike here.
3:51
SPEAKER_01: There's been some recent stuff that's come up in the news.
3:53
SPEAKER_01: We get ready for the World Series.
3:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh, we have to start with the World Series, though.
3:56
SPEAKER_01: And before we start with anything, though, the reason we get to start with anything is because of Thirsty Vacaro Mahoney.
4:01
SPEAKER_01: So we talk about, you know, plans for next year.
4:04
SPEAKER_01: We have a big season coming up.
4:05
SPEAKER_01: I can't like I can't say it enough to the audience.
4:08
SPEAKER_01: There is only a show because of Thirsty Vacaro.
4:11
SPEAKER_01: So if you're listening to the show, you know, I don't cram parlays down your throat.
4:15
SPEAKER_01: I don't fucking encourage you to go to Kelchi.
4:16
SPEAKER_01: In fact, I tell you to save your money.
4:18
SPEAKER_01: Be smart with your money.
4:19
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4:20
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4:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'll read the fucking copy, Mahoney.
4:36
SPEAKER_00: Three bold flavors.
4:38
SPEAKER_00: That's all you could just stop right there.
4:40
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it it tickles your taste buds.
4:43
SPEAKER_00: You had a mango muerte, a sandy, a savaje, and a limon the drone.
4:48
SPEAKER_00: Where can you go wrong?
4:50
SPEAKER_00: You can go wrong by not by not getting it.
4:53
SPEAKER_01: That's where it goes wrong.
4:54
SPEAKER_01: Is when someone goes, I don't need this, they're gonna do the show anyways.
4:57
SPEAKER_01: Watch me.
4:58
SPEAKER_01: So we'll have a we're gonna have a great season in 27.
5:03
SPEAKER_01: But it starts now laying the foundation.
5:04
SPEAKER_01: Go get yourself some Thirsty Vacero.
5:06
SPEAKER_01: I come back and tell you guys the Thirsty Vacero partnership's over.
5:10
SPEAKER_01: There ain't no more show.
5:10
SPEAKER_01: That's it.
5:11
SPEAKER_01: When that partnership's over, the show's over.
5:13
SPEAKER_00: So buy the vigilante pack.
5:16
SPEAKER_00: So we're looking forward to season four.
5:18
SPEAKER_00: I need to see that inventory moving.
5:21
SPEAKER_01: This is the Monday morning cub show.
5:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm tempted to get into Bears.
5:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna stay on the World Series.
5:27
SPEAKER_01: And again, I'm gonna remind you guys just go to Amazon, get yourself some Thirsty McCarry.
5:30
SPEAKER_01: Just check it out, try it once, you're gonna have it for the rest of your fucking life.
5:34
SPEAKER_01: It's that good.
5:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, and in the spirit of that, I think we're I think we're set up for a remarkable fall classic between the Brewers and the Race.
5:44
SPEAKER_01: And it's a good thing that this is happening because the Cubs are so far away from the way these two organizations achieve success.
5:52
SPEAKER_01: And the World Series is always the time where teams step back, they take an inventory.
5:58
SPEAKER_01: What are we good at?
6:00
SPEAKER_01: What do we need to improve on?
6:02
SPEAKER_01: And so hopefully, all Cubs leadership sitting at home looking at the Brewers and the Rays, going, How the fuck are these two markets so much better than us?
6:10
SPEAKER_00: Right.
6:11
SPEAKER_00: These two small market teams that are the two best teams in baseball that are the last two standing as it should be in everything they do.
6:21
SPEAKER_00: And it's funny, you always hear about the slug, this, that, and the other, the approach.
6:25
SPEAKER_00: Look at how these teams are winning with a mix of everything.
6:29
SPEAKER_00: And it's it's great baseball to watch.
6:31
SPEAKER_00: It might not be a huge ratings get for the league.
6:34
SPEAKER_00: We know Manfred's fine with that.
6:36
SPEAKER_00: However, it's gonna be great for the fans to watch this seven-game World Series.
6:41
SPEAKER_00: I really, really am looking forward to it.
6:42
SPEAKER_01: It should be great modern baseball, big arms, tons of strikeouts, you know, quality infield play, good, solid fundamental players.
6:51
SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna see a ton of swing and miss in this world series, which is remarkable because the pitching staffs get swing and miss, and then the lineups, they you know, now someone's gonna come back and say the Rays actually strike out a lot, Carl.
7:00
SPEAKER_01: Shut up.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: My point is, you know, as far as dynamic offenses are concerned, these teams are in the basement.
7:08
SPEAKER_01: These are not dynamic.
7:10
SPEAKER_01: In the sense I should say driving the ball, power offenses.
7:14
SPEAKER_01: Right.
7:14
SPEAKER_01: They manufacture runs, they're very good on the bases.
7:17
SPEAKER_01: Now, here's the the thing that I should say really bothers me or kills me as a Cubs fan about it is the Cubs would be the best place to sell season tickets.
7:32
SPEAKER_01: We've made the Cubs like that.
7:34
SPEAKER_01: The the Yankees are like that, uh San Francisco Giants, Boston Red Sox, etc.
7:40
SPEAKER_01: I couldn't think of two worse franchises to sell season tickets for than the Brewers in the race.
7:46
SPEAKER_01: So at a time when all people care about bottom line, top line revenue, Crane Kenny doing Budweiser deals, whatever the fuck it is.
7:54
SPEAKER_01: At a time when the only thing that matters is generating revenue, the the two teams playing for the World Series this year will be the worst fucking teams when it comes to making a buck.
8:06
SPEAKER_01: But they're the best baseball teams, and that's the thing that kills me as it comes in because we're so good at making a dollar, we're so good at building the brand and making sure you have the app and the marquee network.
8:17
SPEAKER_01: And did you see the new fucking concession stand?
8:19
SPEAKER_01: And and we'll we'll monetize anything.
8:23
SPEAKER_01: And now we're sitting here at the end of October, and we're we're so far behind the brewers in the rays in in terms of baseball, so so ahead of them in in fan experience or whatever the fuck they're gonna say.
8:34
SPEAKER_01: I I hate it.
8:35
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm sitting here wearing a Hawaiian Cubs hat right now, like a complete asshole, late in October.
8:42
SPEAKER_00: I don't think I've never seen a Milwaukee Brewers hat with floral arrangements.
8:48
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, they're probably out there in the new era store, but this one I got at the Cubs game.
8:53
SPEAKER_00: So I'm just telling you, yeah, it's built differently, and and maybe we just need to really keep, like you said earlier, eye on the ball, as opposed to all the other, you know, doohickeys and shiny objects throughout the stadium that are you know generating revenue up of Krane Kenny's ass.
9:09
SPEAKER_01: Are you cheering for the Rays or the Brewers?
9:12
SPEAKER_00: I have to cheer for the Rays, dude.
9:14
SPEAKER_00: I just I don't think I'd ever want to hear the end of it if the Brewers win the World Series.
9:18
SPEAKER_00: I think it's a great story.
9:19
SPEAKER_00: I like the the cut of their jib, but it's just it's a tough route for.
9:23
SPEAKER_00: If they do win, I I wouldn't be like totally upset, but I'm rooting for the rays.
9:30
SPEAKER_01: Likewise, for the exact same reasons you're saying, I'm absolutely cheering for the rays.
9:36
SPEAKER_01: The one thing about the brewers, though, is don't you get the sense they're like a little brother?
9:40
SPEAKER_01: They're like, who cares, dude?
9:41
SPEAKER_01: Like, even if they do win it, and Brewers fans are talking shit to Cubs fans.
9:45
SPEAKER_01: Like, am I crazy?
9:47
SPEAKER_01: Because when Brewers fans talk shit to me, I'm like, you would trade places with me in a second.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: It's the easiest way to get over someone talking shit to you.
9:54
SPEAKER_01: It's like, are you talking shit to me?
9:55
SPEAKER_01: Because most people in Milwaukee would much rather have what we have.
10:00
SPEAKER_01: It's simple.
10:02
SPEAKER_00: And when you say have what we have, just like the the bells and whistles of it all.
10:08
SPEAKER_01: The whole experience of growing up in the Chicago metropolitan area, the whole freaking thing.
10:13
SPEAKER_01: And that's part of I think there's a lot of Bears Packers that carry over into Cubs Brewers.
10:19
SPEAKER_01: I separate those two.
10:21
SPEAKER_00: I entirely separate those two.
10:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I have a hatred for the Packers, I don't have a hatred as much for Milwaukee.
10:27
SPEAKER_00: If St.
10:27
SPEAKER_00: Louis was in this situation, I would be feeling a lot differently.
10:31
SPEAKER_00: And that's where I still have that hate in my heart when it comes to competitive baseball teams or you know who's standing where.
10:40
SPEAKER_00: It's just it's easier for me to just watch the Brewers do it than it would be the Cardinals.
10:47
SPEAKER_01: I hate the Cardinals.
10:48
SPEAKER_01: This is where I'm after.
10:49
SPEAKER_01: I hate the Cardinals.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: I just I hate them.
10:51
SPEAKER_01: The Brewers, I'm still ignorant to them.
10:53
SPEAKER_01: Even they take our lunch every fucking year.
10:56
SPEAKER_01: We have no shot against them.
10:57
SPEAKER_01: We finished 14 games behind him and we stole their manager to do it.
11:00
SPEAKER_01: Spend half the money they do.
11:02
SPEAKER_01: Even so, when Brewers fans talk shit to me, it's like, buddy, you wish you had Friday 120s at Wrigley Field.
11:09
SPEAKER_01: Like, you wish you had a Clark Street.
11:11
SPEAKER_01: Instead, you have a parking lot.
11:13
SPEAKER_01: You make the best out of it.
11:14
SPEAKER_01: You guys have a good time up there.
11:15
SPEAKER_01: But I'm not looking at Brewers fans and being like, Yeah, you guys are pathetic losers.
11:19
SPEAKER_01: Being a Brewers fan, so it's a it's a probably a good experience if you're from Milwaukee and you like baseball.
11:25
SPEAKER_01: But just be honest, like when Brewers fans talk shit to us, like you would kill, you would kill to have the community and the experience and the international following and all this stuff.
11:35
SPEAKER_00: Like, you're a brewers fan.
11:36
SPEAKER_00: Of course you're and the white and and really why it's so easy, I think it just comes down to like Wisconsin people are generally nice.
11:42
SPEAKER_00: So they're talking, they're talking shit.
11:43
SPEAKER_00: It's like you got Craig now.
11:46
SPEAKER_00: He's yours now, and I'm like, yeah, he is, you know, and then like you cheers a beer and you move on.
11:52
SPEAKER_00: I like I love visiting Milwaukee, I love Wisconsin.
11:55
SPEAKER_00: It's just I think it's the people and makes it a lot easier.
11:58
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's a very it's a friendly rivalry.
12:02
SPEAKER_01: Remember the picture get a brain morans?
12:05
SPEAKER_01: What is it, the Cardinals picture?
12:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a Cardinals fan of it.
12:08
SPEAKER_00: The American flag trapped over, looked like a kid rock, you know, meme.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: Ball or strike, Cardinals fans are scumbags.
12:16
SPEAKER_00: Strike.
12:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:18
SPEAKER_01: And maybe not like I have good Cardinals friends uh that are like super smart baseball guys, guys I played with in college and know whatever.
12:26
SPEAKER_01: Very, very passionate baseball fans.
12:29
SPEAKER_01: But like the the rank and file Cardinals fans online that you interact with, you know, I feel like I'm standing outside a Peoria strip club at two o'clock in the morning on a Wednesday.
12:38
SPEAKER_01: Like I shouldn't be here.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: Why am I here?
12:39
SPEAKER_01: Who are you?
12:40
SPEAKER_01: Why am I taught you I should not know you?
12:43
SPEAKER_00: I worked at a Cardinals bar.
12:44
SPEAKER_00: It was a Cardinals bar on the North Side.
12:47
SPEAKER_00: Call it out, dude.
12:47
SPEAKER_00: Come on, it was Sedgwick's Sedgwick's, it was 1935 North Sedgwick's, no longer there.
12:52
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what is now.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: It was supposed to be a condo building, might have been replaced.
12:56
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, I would be working the door watching the Cardinals win a World Series that they had no business being in, and 80% of the bar were people that I just couldn't fucking stand.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I knew these people because they were coming in all the time, and I could not stand them.
13:15
SPEAKER_00: And it's just one of those things, and that's the difference of how I feel.
13:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was so good experience with Milwaukee, and just I have to take a shower after I'm hanging around, you know, a collective Cardinals group.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: Well said.
13:32
SPEAKER_01: And we didn't plan shitting on Cardinals fans here.
13:34
SPEAKER_01: We just merely wanted to talk about Brewers versus Rays.
13:37
SPEAKER_01: Who do we have?
13:38
SPEAKER_00: The differentiator of hate.
13:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, now we get into it.
13:41
SPEAKER_01: It's like, wait a second, you're right.
13:43
SPEAKER_01: I hate Cardinals fans.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: I brewers, I just don't want to hear it.
13:47
SPEAKER_01: You know, the Rays win a World Series.
13:49
SPEAKER_01: We'll forget about it in a week.
13:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, let's let's let's take the National League, America uh, let's take the World Series, American League, National League.
13:58
SPEAKER_01: Let's stay in the spirit here.
14:00
SPEAKER_01: I have some baller strikes because we'll just start with this one.
14:04
SPEAKER_01: Jared Banner.
14:05
SPEAKER_01: I don't even know who this guy was until the Orioles fired.
14:08
SPEAKER_01: So, like, I don't want to hear it from anybody.
14:10
SPEAKER_01: If I came in and started telling you guys what Jared Banner was good at, why this is a loss and all this stuff.
14:15
SPEAKER_01: Shut the fuck up.
14:16
SPEAKER_00: No, and sure, I Carl, I saw that name on the call sheet this morning, and I was like, I don't know if I've ever heard of this dude.
14:25
SPEAKER_00: Should I have?
14:26
SPEAKER_00: And I'm glad that you had, you know, kind of ripped the band-aid off, but I you know, baller strike, banner leaving is a bigger loss than any of our free agents walking.
14:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, ballers that's a ball.
14:39
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't care about this guy.
14:41
SPEAKER_01: The Orioles are a shitty front office.
14:42
SPEAKER_01: He's so far removed from like wins and losses to me.
14:46
SPEAKER_01: I got nothing here.
14:47
SPEAKER_00: I have nothing.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, all I know is Baltimore had announced he's the new general manager.
14:53
SPEAKER_00: He's gonna be leading player development, coaching, and performance, and he's been a Cubs assistant general manager since January.
15:02
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
15:02
SPEAKER_00: And that's all I know about the guy.
15:04
SPEAKER_00: Well, so hopefully Baltimore's obliques don't start falling off or whatever the hell it is.
15:09
SPEAKER_01: He can't be responsible for that.
15:11
SPEAKER_01: He can't be responsible for much.
15:13
SPEAKER_01: You know, this is I don't I need to A, I need to calm down.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: I've said way too many off words to start the show.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: Um, and two, this is like, I know what Cubs fans are gonna be saying about this, so it's easy for me to say, shut up, like, just shut up.
15:31
SPEAKER_01: Here's how I got hired.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: He was with the Red Sox for like 12 years because he went to Amherst and played baseball.
15:36
SPEAKER_01: You know who else went to Amherst and played baseball?
15:37
SPEAKER_01: Ben Charrington.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: You know what Ben Charrington did?
15:40
SPEAKER_01: Worked in the front office for the fucking Red Sox.
15:42
SPEAKER_01: So when you see these types of career, etc., I'm not saying he's not successful, he's not a good leader, he's not this and that or whatever, but he's been in it for what 20 years now.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's a huge LinkedIn guy.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: He's he's gotten he's he's the guy posting the networking post.
16:00
SPEAKER_00: He's a very he has a good network built throughout the league, and he probably interviews well.
16:05
SPEAKER_00: So, and those guys and those positions make it to you know being the general manager of a baseball team.
16:11
SPEAKER_00: The general good luck in Baltimore.
16:13
SPEAKER_01: The general manager isn't even that important anymore.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: Like, we we only talk about the general manager to shit on Carter Hawkins, and that's because he's a terrible general general manager.
16:22
SPEAKER_01: But the the function now is is baseball operations, president of baseball operations.
16:28
SPEAKER_01: So I I believe whatever he's he's not in charge of the Orioles, and he wasn't in charge of the cups.
16:33
SPEAKER_01: He was he was fifth in line here, whatever.
16:35
SPEAKER_01: You know, this is like the the speaker of the house, or no, who's who's like fit, like you're like the secretary of agriculture here.
16:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, they're like fifth in line, absolutely, or like the secretary of the post office or something.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: Shit really has to hit the fan for you to be sitting in the oval.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so congratulations to this guy.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: This is what the Cubs are, they're a stepping stone in this industry.
16:58
SPEAKER_01: So you can come work for the Chicago Cubs, you can come work in in Jed and Crane Kenny's little paradise here, and then if you interview well enough, you can go to a smaller market at some point.
17:09
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, get yourself like a$1.5 million condo, some urban environment.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: Like, congratulations to this guy.
17:15
SPEAKER_01: I hope he's happy.
17:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
17:17
SPEAKER_01: Good luck.
17:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm certainly fucking miserable.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: Ah! Bad one, Mahoney.
17:22
SPEAKER_01: All right.
17:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh, here's one for you baller strike, the Cubs.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: We have five gold glove finalists.
17:29
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you saw this.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Baller strike, five gold glove finalists is more impressive than five all-stars.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: Non-stars, just all-stars.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: Reserve one.
17:41
SPEAKER_01: Reserve.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: I I have it as a strike because the gold glove is the performance on the field, and it's what we're seeing on the field.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: And we had one of the, if not the best, defensive team in the league.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: The fact that we had what, 115 runs saved or something, the next close is a Tampa Bay team in the World Series with 87.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: So we got PCA, Ian Hap, Dan's B, Bregman, and congratulations to Say Suzuki too for being mentioned.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: I never would have had him on my list, but I have it as a strike because I think gold glove is based on performance, how well you're fielding.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, and one fun fact, Carl, not a cracker jack, no team has ever swept the outfield.
18:24
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's going to happen, but would be something if we'd be the first to do it.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: So I think that that's a strike.
18:32
SPEAKER_00: The five and five is a better testament to your team than the all-star from a defensive perspective.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: Well, if they I mean, not defensive.
18:40
SPEAKER_01: What's more impressive?
18:41
SPEAKER_01: It's not what's more impressive defensive.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: No, I just now I'm thinking if they win, if they clear five, if they clear five, yeah, then it's a strike.
18:50
SPEAKER_01: We have to wait to see that's where I'm at on this.
18:52
SPEAKER_01: But I think it's I think it's worth a conversation.
18:54
SPEAKER_01: You bring up a great point sweeping the outfield.
18:57
SPEAKER_01: Is this enough for for then people to go, holy shit, Pete Crow Armstrong really is the best center fielder ever?
19:06
SPEAKER_01: Because say Suzuki wasn't even in the convers, was below average for the last two or three years.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: And now you're telling me PCA's range, say it goes out to right, pretty easy to play right field when you got Pete Crow Armstrong running into right center to catch all those fucking balls for you.
19:23
SPEAKER_00: It makes a lot more sense now why C and say his name on the list.
19:28
SPEAKER_01: Because I I mean he didn't play a ton of right field last year with Kyle Tucker.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: Um I guess we'll just stay on the Ian Hap thing.
19:37
SPEAKER_01: Like, if he gets five gold gloves, I guess this is a we didn't write this.
19:43
SPEAKER_01: I didn't write this one down, I should say.
19:46
SPEAKER_01: Because I I I got the I got the evens, you got the odds.
19:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh but did did Ian Hap, if Ian Hap gets five gold gloves and Ian Hap leaves the Cubs, is he the best player to be hated by the Cubs fan base of your lifetime?
20:04
SPEAKER_00: Hate's a strong word, but I'd have to say he gets the most flack of any cub I've had in my lifetime.
20:11
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, he'd be the best cub.
20:14
SPEAKER_00: A guy, I mean, a guy who wins five gold gloves has been, you know, showing up for 10 10 years, 10 seasons in a uniform, and then walks.
20:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'd have to say that that would be the best player that people have had discourse towards.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a strike.
20:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're like you get drafted in the you get drafted in the first round by your hometown team.
20:35
SPEAKER_01: You play your entire career with them.
20:37
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's a team that never goes to the playoffs in its franchise history.
20:41
SPEAKER_01: You go to the playoffs in 17, 18, 19, 20.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: No, we don't go in 19, what I'm talking about, we go 17, 18, 20.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would say it's almost impossible to consider Ian Haps like tenure as a cub on paper.
21:04
SPEAKER_01: And if you just gave that to a major league fan and said, hey, this guy's gonna get drafted in the first round, then he's gonna put up this 10-year career with your team.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: He's gonna finish top 10 in a bunch of shit.
21:13
SPEAKER_01: He's gonna win four or five gold clubs.
21:16
SPEAKER_01: Then you go, and you're gonna hate him.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:19
SPEAKER_00: But then here, yeah, you tell them all this, and the person's nodding, they're nodding.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: So you go, now, now go and look back historically at Twitter in April of each one of those seasons and see and search Ian Hap's name and see what people are saying.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: You'll be like, wait, what?
21:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I'm gonna hate this guy now.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: I understand.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: So it's uh yeah, it's a it's an interesting thing.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: And well, he's probably gonna win it.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: He's never gonna ask for an extension, he's not gonna take a huge contract.
21:50
SPEAKER_01: You know, times he's gonna do pay cuts, he's gonna be uh just so easy to deal with behind the scenes, and people are sitting here being like, Yeah, and I hate him.
21:57
unknown: Yeah.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: This game, dude.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: It's just it's like I I think of like playing blackjack in Las Vegas, and when I think of that, I go, all right, remember when you were in Las Vegas playing blackjack?
22:12
SPEAKER_01: And all I remember is uh bad losses, loss, loss, time I lost this much that I there are times I've won a lot of money.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: I don't remember them.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: I have to dig deep.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: That's how it is with Ian Hab.
22:24
SPEAKER_01: You have to dig deep.
22:25
SPEAKER_01: Cubs hands have to go so deep to remember the good things because I go Ian Hab, people just go, uh, ugh.
22:33
SPEAKER_01: So what do you got?
22:36
SPEAKER_00: On to the next one, Carl.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: I got a ball or strike.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: Clay Holmes is worth a multi-year deal.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: Hey, that's a strike.
22:45
SPEAKER_01: Are the Cubs gonna give it to him?
22:47
SPEAKER_01: You know, like he's worth it.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: He's worth it, he's worth it.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: Are you saying that he's worth it to the Cubs?
22:52
SPEAKER_00: I'm saying I believe he's worth it because there is that$12 million option that he's likely to decline.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: Now, you know, a ground ball guy with a defense behind this probably knows his value.
23:05
SPEAKER_00: So will they pay him?
23:07
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: Should they?
23:09
SPEAKER_00: I believe so.
23:11
SPEAKER_01: Maybe it depends on like what else they're interested in signing.
23:15
SPEAKER_01: Because if you do, if you do bring Clay Holmes back, you would need a corresponding safety measure move.
23:21
SPEAKER_01: You'd need a Colin Ray, you need to pair it with like a three or four million dollar veteran arm that you know is going to be healthy.
23:28
SPEAKER_01: Because that's the problem with Clay Holmes.
23:30
SPEAKER_01: He's at shoulder, he's at leg, he's coming back from a leg.
23:33
SPEAKER_01: And anytime your lower half is messed up, it just makes it much easier for then your arm to get messed up because your weight transfer is not a hundred percent through the legs.
23:44
SPEAKER_01: So then you put more stress on your arm.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: That's how elbows get blown out when you see a guy twist his ankle.
23:48
SPEAKER_01: So I I I'm saying that because with Clay Holmes, the injury risk, he's gonna cost probably at least 20 million a year, I would guess.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: Because he's when he's healthy, he's elite.
23:59
SPEAKER_01: And that's what his agent's gonna be telling teams.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: Teams are gonna say, we only want to pay him 14 million, and his agent's gonna say, well, he's actually worth 30 when he's healthy, so we'll do it for 21.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: And then he's gonna get you know four or five years.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: And these are the type of moves that like they're not, it's not a huge move for the Cubs, but it is the type of move that then prevents them from doing huge moves.
24:18
SPEAKER_01: It's a type of move that then they come back, they go, Look, we spent money on the pitching staff.
24:21
SPEAKER_01: So I'm my foot is in the water on Clay Holmes, the other foot is out of the water.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: So I do you want to sway me one way?
24:28
SPEAKER_00: No, I I mean I think it's fair enough, and I think one of the reasons why I suppose I was just swayed is because it's the devil you know, and I just know he was on the team recently, but I would hate to handcuff ourselves to a future that I I I don't understand yet at this point, and what else could be done for the pitching staff?
24:47
SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of where I'm at.
24:48
SPEAKER_00: I know he's healthy right now, or I think he is, but he says it.
24:52
SPEAKER_00: That's a very, very good point, though, Carl.
24:55
SPEAKER_00: Broken leg, arm issues.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: Would you be willing to pay that type of coin for somebody with uh a still bit of an asterisk by their their name?
25:05
SPEAKER_01: And I'll put an asterisk on that asterisk is the Cubs should almost always be in a position to give that Clay Holmes deal out.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: Like the idea we're even like, well, it's some money, and we're not gonna have the money, like we have plenty of money.
25:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a strike.
25:21
SPEAKER_01: We should be bringing Clay Holmes back, or someone like Clay Holmes should be in the mix easily.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but we're we're probably, you know, like this is who we are.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna come back and be like, yeah, I don't know.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: Dude, great, no, great point.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: I I saw I read something earlier, and it was like a quick comment, and it was more like the Cubs have been, you know, spending B plus money on B minus players as opposed to just going out when they could be getting A plus money for A plus players.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: So that's a that's I don't know, that just resonated with what the point you had just made.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: And you should have on that off as you're waiting.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: You should have, but you know me, you know me, Carl.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, that's a great that's exactly what they have done, is they've they've spent B plus money on B minus players.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: And here's another great example is well, I'm sure we'll talk about the pitching staff later, but or more in depth, I should say.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: But Shoda Imanaga got like$23 million last year.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: And like, I think Clay Holmes AAV will be around the one-year deal Shoda Imanaga got, and then that's kind of the comparison I'll use to get mad.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: That like we put ourselves into a corner, so we had to give Shoda Imanaga$23 million last year.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: Then he pitches 170 innings and we don't care, 150 innings, we don't care at all.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: Um now we're gonna go, we're gonna get rid of Shoda, we're gonna go into this offseason, and that same amount of money that we gave Shoda last year, they're gonna turn around and be like, it's a big deal.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: We're giving out 20, we're gonna, we're not giving when we don't give Klay Holmes the money, or or whenever we get to this juncture, they're gonna say it's a lot of money.
26:59
SPEAKER_01: And they're gonna they're gonna say that and they're gonna ask us to forget or pretend to forget that like you guys like by technicality gave that exact amount of money to show to Imanaga, and you didn't even fucking care about him.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: You had him slotted as the number seven on the depth chart.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: Then you're gonna turn around one year later and be like, 23 million dollars is a lot of money.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: That's this is what kills me.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like just the double-edged sword.
27:24
SPEAKER_00: You could just paint any picture you want.
27:28
SPEAKER_01: Let's stay on.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: Let's stay on free agency here for a second.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: Baller strike, we just talked about him.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: Ian Happ has played his last game as a Chicago Cub.
27:39
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: I have it as a strike, Carl.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, there's been some fodder out there that he he's linked to the Phillies or whichever, and I could just see him in a Phillies uniform with his like, you know, his beard and you know, five o'clock shadow sometimes on his face.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: He looks like he fits in that uniform real well.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, I do think that that's gonna be the last game that we see him as in the Cubs uniform.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: That's a strike.
28:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I it would be crazy.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: It would be crazy if the front office brought it.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: They'd have to, he'd have to take he'd have to get 12 million, 11, 10, something like that.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: It's not gonna happen.
28:22
SPEAKER_01: It would be impossible.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: And I do think Crane Kenny and Jed Hoyer are smart enough from an optics or PR standpoint, though I'm going into a lockout, disappointing season.
28:37
SPEAKER_01: If you're telling me they bring back the guy that most of I don't hate Ian Hap, I love him, but most fans hate him.
28:43
SPEAKER_01: They're way too smart to do that.
28:45
SPEAKER_01: They're way too smart to like make to make like the second or third biggest move of the offseason was like re-signing Ian Hap.
28:51
SPEAKER_01: They're they're not that dumb, are they?
28:54
SPEAKER_00: No, unless they know the team would be so bad and like that they'd bring him back for like a nostalgia piece, but they're he's not as beloved as the uh for that even to make sense.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, they're smart enough, I don't, I think, to to not entertain that idea of of bringing Hap back in the Cubs uniform.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: And as we talk more about this, I'm starting to get the sense I would be shocked if we signed anyone in free agency, any position player in free agency for more than two years.
29:28
SPEAKER_01: I'd be shocked because we've got guys in the system, we're rebuilding some of the position player, like the outfield in the farm system.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: I would just be shocked because going into the lockout, we just gave all the money to Bregman, we just started deferring contracts.
29:46
SPEAKER_01: This is it's this is a terrible time to be a Cubs fan.
29:49
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: It is, Carl, and that's kind of where that takes me to my next baller strike for you.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be back to revisiting the rotation because it's a terrible time with all the question marks with uh you know uh a starting rotation that is people are leaving, boyd's gone, steel's coming off, surgery, Cade Horton, a lot of question marks baller strike.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: Are the Cubs gonna go into 2027 with Cade Horton as a rotation piece?
30:20
SPEAKER_00: Will he be ready?
30:22
SPEAKER_01: That's not a baller strike.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: That was a question.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: I just why did I do that?
30:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think you I think you kind of I think you might have I think you might have read the wrong one.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: Perhaps I did.
30:34
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I did.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: Here we go.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh baller strike.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: How bad is oh my god, what is wrong with me?
30:44
SPEAKER_00: It's Tuesday.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're like it's you're baller strike.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: The Cubs will be able to handle the 2027 rotation turnover.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: Baller strike.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: The Cubs can handle the 2027 rotation turnover.
30:57
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I don't know.
30:59
SPEAKER_01: Um can it the turnover?
31:03
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's probably a ball.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: Like, can they handle it?
31:07
SPEAKER_01: Will they?
31:07
SPEAKER_01: It's probably a ball.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: Like Ben Brown was injured, Kate Horton injured, Justin Steele injured.
31:12
SPEAKER_01: You know, those are like your three most delicate, beautiful, like the three most valuable pieces of machinery in the warehouse, and you can't maintain them.
31:23
SPEAKER_01: You can't change the oil on them.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: Like, you wouldn't, no matter what you do, those machines break down.
31:28
SPEAKER_01: So, like, you're the factory of the foreman, you go to the guy who owns the company, he's like, Why is the factory shut down again?
31:34
SPEAKER_01: Like, and at some point, if you own the company, you're like, This fucking foreman can't take care of the most valuable equipment machinery we have here.
31:43
SPEAKER_01: We need a new foreman, or we need it's not the machines, like, we need people to be able to take care of these fucking machines.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: Does that make sense?
31:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: It very much makes sense.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: And if you look at me, the guys that are remaining in the rotation are have a broken neck, Justin Steele coming back.
32:02
SPEAKER_00: You don't know what he's gonna look like.
32:04
SPEAKER_00: The last thing I read we he was topping out at 90 miles an hour.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: Cade Horton, multiple surgeries.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: I have a lot of faith in him, and then Eddie Cabrera, which is just you know, the riddle.
32:14
SPEAKER_00: Oh, he's true.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: This is what I mean.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, are those like we're gonna have to add at least three guys?
32:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's it's a it's a tough ball or strike, don't get me wrong, because there's just it's a guessing game, so we could be here all day.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: But it's it's an important piece, obviously, for us to be any sense of competitive, have competitiveness moving forward.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes.
32:39
SPEAKER_01: And we're not we're here's the problem is like we're talking about injuries, we're not talking about guys not performing, we're talking about guys who like who like physically can't even put themselves in a situation to be evaluated if they can't perform because they're not capable, they're physically capable of it.
32:55
SPEAKER_01: So the problem is like we're we're losing everybody who pitched for us this year.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: Like Osman's gone.
33:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm assuming Clay Holmes isn't coming back.
33:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, obviously, Shoda, obviously Boyd, you know, Jamison Taeon, Colin Ray.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: You parse it down.
33:11
SPEAKER_01: It's like the innings we have coming back from this year into next year.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: Kate Peterson's even gone.
33:16
SPEAKER_01: Like Kate Horton didn't give us wood, like 13 innings.
33:19
SPEAKER_01: And I don't think Justin Steele get, did he give us any?
33:21
SPEAKER_01: He was out all year?
33:22
SPEAKER_00: No, all year.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: Yep, he had it just a short rehab stint, and that was that.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: You know, and like so the the the most significant returning piece to the rotation based on what happened this past year is Ben Brown, which is crazy.
33:38
SPEAKER_01: That is a crazy thing that just came out of my mouth.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: So now I'm I'm looking at the Cubs leadership and going, you can fill in this gap.
33:46
SPEAKER_01: Like, here's your 80 innings from Ben Brown or 100 inning, whatever it is.
33:51
SPEAKER_01: Now you have to go get another 1340 innings.
33:54
SPEAKER_01: And like, I don't know if Kate Horton has 100 in him.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, Justin Steele didn't hasn't pitched.
33:59
SPEAKER_01: I know they're good.
34:01
SPEAKER_01: They're good.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: That's way different than we're gonna now make decisions and plan.
34:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm not planning around talent, I'm not planning around the best version of you.
34:11
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna plan around the most realistic version of you, and the most realistic version of those guys, those three guys, Ben Brown, Kate Horton, and Justin Steele.
34:18
SPEAKER_01: You got to build a rotation where those are your that those three guys are your four and your five, and Javier Assad is your six, and you're lucky if you get anything more than those three in Javier Assad pitching four, five, six.
34:31
SPEAKER_01: So who's your one, two, three?
34:33
SPEAKER_01: I have no clue.
34:35
SPEAKER_01: Now, Kate Horton, Justin Steele, and Ben Brown are your one, two, three, but they're not because they're they're if we go into spring training, we go, we are one, two, three's Ben, Ben Brown, Kate Horton, Justin Steele.
34:46
SPEAKER_01: We're morons.
34:47
SPEAKER_01: It's like the Einstein saying an idiot, you just do the same thing over and over again, or what is it?
34:51
SPEAKER_01: What is that, Mahoney?
34:52
SPEAKER_00: They're that whatever the quote is and the definition of insanity, which is doing something over and over again, which has been attributed to like every man in history, and I think they said it in read or whatever that Michael Douglas movie was.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: That's a great movie.
35:06
SPEAKER_00: He's a good actor.
35:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he has just wrote a book too.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: Did he?
35:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's been on the he's been on the tours lately.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: I saw him on WGN the other day having a great interview with Pat.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, so he's been he's been doing the runs.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: Is he still with Catherine Zeta Jones?
35:22
SPEAKER_00: I believe he is.
35:24
SPEAKER_00: That was supposed to be a Michael Douglas impression.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: He's a silver fox, he's like the OG Silver Fox to me.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: He's cool as a cucumber, too, man.
35:34
SPEAKER_01: I always I always get him and Martin Sheen confused, and this is where I come back.
35:38
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I know after Martin Sheen had a famous dad, and then Michael Douglas had a famous father, and he says that I was one of the first Nepo babies.
35:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, self-admittingly.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Kirk Douglas, I believe, was his father just a famous, famous Hollywood actor.
35:58
SPEAKER_00: So he came up in Hollywood royalty, but you know what?
36:02
SPEAKER_00: Has never seemed pretentious in anything I've ever seen him in.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: So much love to Michael Douglas.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully he's not a real asshole behind the scenes, dude.
36:10
SPEAKER_01: I just had that, I just learned right now in this moment.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: I know he had a famous day.
36:14
SPEAKER_01: I didn't know Kirk Douglas was related to Michael Douglas, Spartacus, great movie.
36:18
SPEAKER_01: Uh, let's get let's get back on track, though, here.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: What were we just talking about?
36:24
SPEAKER_00: We were talking about the rotation.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: How can you build around three guys that you don't know who are currently on the shelf, essentially?
36:32
SPEAKER_01: And this isn't a crazy take from us to say treat treat Ben Brown, Kate Horton, and Justin Steele.
36:40
SPEAKER_01: Treat those three guys as your four and your five, and then build your rotation out from there in this offseason.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: That's an impossible task.
36:45
SPEAKER_01: It's very difficult, it's an expensive thing, but like set your bar high.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: I I'm gonna be disgusted if we roll out the depth chart and I listen to Jed talk about how we've got so many innings coming back that were out last year.
36:59
SPEAKER_01: I think you're so dumb.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: So I've been looking for I've been looking for an analogy in my head, and I'm not I don't have one right now, but yeah, you have to treat any of those guys as like a bonus, like that we were looking at Justin Steele would have been coming into this season.
37:13
SPEAKER_00: How it would have been like it was going to be a great ad, you know, potentially a great ad.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: It didn't happen, so that's the way you have to look at it.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: It's you cannot plan around having those three dudes, you know, rocking and rolling all year.
37:27
SPEAKER_01: 100% Mahoney.
37:29
SPEAKER_01: So let me let me let me throw you a softball here, please.
37:35
SPEAKER_01: Based on that, ball or strike.
37:40
SPEAKER_01: The Cubs should build the 2027 rotation, assuming Kate Horton will throw more than 100 innings.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: That is a ball.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: Based off of everything that we had just said.
38:02
SPEAKER_01: I think that's why I was trying to get a specific inning number of like where do you start drawing the line?
38:07
SPEAKER_01: Because I go, well, I mean, I think it's realistic to say you can get 50 innings from Kate Horton.
38:12
SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm not saying you're gonna get a zero.
38:14
SPEAKER_01: But at what where do you where does the limit start to break where you go, okay, stop, stop assuming he's gonna give you that.
38:21
SPEAKER_01: So, like, can I assume 50 innings?
38:23
SPEAKER_01: I think that's fair.
38:24
SPEAKER_01: Can I assume 100?
38:25
SPEAKER_01: No, no, I can't.
38:27
SPEAKER_01: I just can't.
38:28
SPEAKER_00: No, you can't.
38:29
SPEAKER_00: He's been hurt the past two seasons.
38:32
SPEAKER_01: And we have such an obstacle with the lockout that the idea of designing a pitch and step in the offseason and and getting a one, two, three who aren't currently in your organization.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: Getting a one is impossible.
38:46
SPEAKER_01: Getting a two is impossible.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: Getting a three is very difficult.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: I'm saying get a one, a two, and a three.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: But that's the the mindset I think the front office needs to have is like you don't sleep this off season.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: You don't, you have to go find a one, two, three.
39:00
SPEAKER_01: And if you can't do it, go work a different job.
39:03
SPEAKER_01: Go work in sales, go sell insurance with with with fucking Giller.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: Like, just go do something else and pay your mortgage and and get out of the public spotlight where this shit matters to me.
39:15
SPEAKER_01: And like, I'll tell you this much.
39:16
SPEAKER_01: If I worked in that front office, do you think I'd be sleeping?
39:19
SPEAKER_00: No, you'd be trying to go get Tarek Scuble, and then you'd be worried about who's the next guy that we're gonna be getting.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: We'd have standing meetings at 6 a.m.
39:26
SPEAKER_01: Monday through Sunday when there would be no days off, and your day off would be opening day when you get a hot dog when they're throwing out the first pitch.
39:35
SPEAKER_01: There's your off day.
39:36
SPEAKER_01: Balls to the walls.
39:38
SPEAKER_01: Now, are we gonna do that?
39:39
SPEAKER_01: Probably not, but I'm glad you and I have hammered this out here because this is an extremely important pillar to where this organization's going is the starting pitching, how bad it was in 26, despite all the investments in and around the position players, all the investments in Craig Council and getting the all-star game for 27, all this exciting stuff, and we're and we're so bad.
40:05
SPEAKER_01: And now, as we're we're looking into the future to get better, to improve it.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: We have the lockout coming.
40:15
SPEAKER_01: I just don't know how the hell we're gonna get any pitching help in the next calendar year.
40:21
SPEAKER_01: I don't, I mean, we could be I I I'm inclined to say a year from now, Mahoney, you and I are having an identical conversation about how the 27th pitching staff, how did they rely on these guys?
40:31
SPEAKER_01: How'd they make these decisions?
40:33
SPEAKER_01: How come we don't how come we're not better?
40:35
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, it kind of gives me a weird, you know, sour feeling in my stomach.
40:41
SPEAKER_01: So now, can you appeal to the maniacs and kind of give them a call to action?
40:45
SPEAKER_01: Like, we we got guys at boots on the ground, what do we nose to the grindstone?
40:49
SPEAKER_01: Like, what do we need from the maniacs to help us get through this, Money?
40:52
SPEAKER_00: We need them to really to first and foremost go out and buy Thirsty Vacero on Amazon.com.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: That's that's what we really need from the maniacs.
41:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, man, I don't know.
41:04
SPEAKER_00: Fucking just pray to God.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, like maybe write a letter, you know, to Jed.
41:13
SPEAKER_00: We could start a letter campaign.
41:15
SPEAKER_01: I think a letter campaign's a great step in the right direction, Mahoney.
41:18
SPEAKER_00: There's no way that a lot of other fan bases are doing letter campaigns right now.
41:23
SPEAKER_01: Let's uh let's keep it.
41:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm gonna get sucked into letter campaigns and start talking about it.
41:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
41:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean let's just not, yeah.
41:30
SPEAKER_01: So what else you got?
41:32
SPEAKER_01: Let's be let's get some rapid flare response.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: Well, let's yeah, let's let's move it here.
41:35
SPEAKER_00: Let's move it here.
41:35
SPEAKER_00: A ball or strike, do the ball or strike, giving Say Suzuki whatever he asks for.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: Is that that's a ball.
41:44
SPEAKER_00: We're not giving him whatever he asks for, but like we have to replace his back Carl, and like I'm just kind of concerned on how we're gonna do that with a thinner market.
41:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:57
SPEAKER_00: Prospects coming up aren't ready, they're not expected.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I don't have his stat lines, but we know say is slug.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna have to look through the line, you know, we're gonna have to fill that gap in some way, or is there gonna be an approach to having somebody more situational?
42:13
SPEAKER_00: He's coming off a gold glove nomination.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh, so yeah, I have a feeling that Say Suzuki will be elsewhere, but it I don't know how we're gonna really replace it.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: It's it's a bigger problem than um I'm making it out to be right now.
42:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I think it's a I think it's a problem is is the easiest way.
42:38
SPEAKER_01: Hey, I think it's a problem.
42:40
SPEAKER_00: Let's stay on this this Japanese train because uh if we're gonna go ramp-fire, ball or strike.
42:47
SPEAKER_00: We spend big on Sato, sight unseen, ball or strike.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: Ball.
42:54
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
42:55
SPEAKER_00: He could be a fit, though, from what I've read on this guy.
42:58
SPEAKER_00: Now I've I haven't seen shit, but third baseman who could play the corners.
43:05
SPEAKER_00: You just never know.
43:06
SPEAKER_00: You do do we throw in another Japanese guy in right field and hope for the best?
43:11
SPEAKER_00: How good is he?
43:12
SPEAKER_00: I I really don't know.
43:14
SPEAKER_00: Is he a fit?
43:15
SPEAKER_00: This is crazy.
43:16
SPEAKER_00: We got Cubs scouting him.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: All right.
43:18
SPEAKER_01: So I mean, we're going into a lockout where we like don't we don't even know if we can spend money where a team who has to be in business to spend money.
43:25
SPEAKER_01: So, like, no, this auto guy's not they're not gonna do that.
43:28
SPEAKER_01: There's too much.
43:29
SPEAKER_01: I mean, now I say that I could be obviously I could be wrong.
43:33
SPEAKER_01: I'd be a monkey number.
43:35
SPEAKER_00: I see a Japanese player has been posted, and I'm like, hey, maybe that guy can replace Seya.
43:41
SPEAKER_00: I'll know his principal.
43:42
SPEAKER_00: I'll know his principal across the street.
43:45
SPEAKER_00: But it's just one of those things.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're reaching for a lot on a Tuesday morning show where there's so many pieces to fill and just giant question marks all over the place.
43:56
SPEAKER_01: So I think the important take here the important take here is like.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: Um I've said goodbye to Saya, and I would be shocked if he was a cup next year.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: And I would be shocked if we brought somebody back.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: It's so against us.
44:10
SPEAKER_01: If we bring people back, it's it's has to be a discount.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: It has to it's just has to.
44:16
SPEAKER_01: Now is Saya in a position probably because what say is gonna do is get a he's gonna get a second contract in the United States as a position player, as a right-handed, is like a middle-of-the-order Japanese right-handed bat, which historically speaking is rare.
44:31
SPEAKER_01: Most Japanese players that come over do not get an opportunity for a second contract like this.
44:37
SPEAKER_01: Most guys don't flourish hitting in the middle of a lineup.
44:42
SPEAKER_01: So my the reason I bring that up is Seya has now an obligation to all future Japanese players.
44:49
SPEAKER_01: You're right.
44:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:51
SPEAKER_01: So any concept of him taking a friendly deal for the Cubs because he likes the Cubs and all this stuff, I agree.
44:57
SPEAKER_01: If it was just to Seya, he would be very inclined to take a discount.
45:01
SPEAKER_01: However, every Japanese advisor, whoever is close to this, is gonna be like, Seiya, this is a very big deal for all the next Japanese players.
45:09
SPEAKER_01: And that's where his loyalty is going to supersede his own personal interest, and that's why he's gonna end up taking the biggest deal to go play for fill in the blank, the mariner.
45:19
SPEAKER_01: Somebody who's somebody you're gonna be like, why the hell?
45:21
SPEAKER_01: Who gave him$23 million a year?
45:23
SPEAKER_01: And then it's gonna piss off Cubs fans.
45:25
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna say he's a mercenary, he's a sellout, when really all he's doing is just setting the market for future Japanese uh players that are in this situation, say is in.
45:35
SPEAKER_00: That's an amazing, amazing point, Carl.
45:38
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that you have a culture at your back, there's just no way he's taking a discount.
45:43
SPEAKER_01: No way, and we're not gonna pay the premium.
45:45
SPEAKER_01: So this is why it's say goodbye to say, guys.
45:47
SPEAKER_01: Say goodbye to Seiya, get comfortable with Matt Shaw in right field.
45:52
SPEAKER_00: With that said, like if we do attempt to replace Seiya and not have Shaw, um Jed Hoyer, it is he building the right offense?
46:01
SPEAKER_00: This isn't a ball or strike.
46:03
SPEAKER_00: I just need to get through this one.
46:04
SPEAKER_00: Is he building the right type of offense when you look at the teams competing now and we're gonna be missing a saya slug?
46:12
SPEAKER_00: Do we get a guy that drives the ball?
46:15
SPEAKER_00: You know, just situational hitting stuff, more of a scrappy base runner.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know.
46:21
SPEAKER_00: It's just an interesting piece.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: And I don't know really.
46:24
SPEAKER_00: This isn't this is a totally just my angle.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: This isn't anything, it's just run prevention versus power.
46:31
SPEAKER_00: What do you pair with our defense?
46:33
SPEAKER_00: Is what he's gonna have to look at.
46:35
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be very interesting.
46:36
SPEAKER_01: It's interesting to see where we go.
46:38
SPEAKER_01: All right, so we have we have openings and right, and we have openings and left, we have a guy who can play right, and we have a guy we can teach to play left.
46:44
SPEAKER_01: Pedro Maris, we can teach to play left, Shaw can play right.
46:48
SPEAKER_01: Huge downgrade in outfield defense, though.
46:50
SPEAKER_01: Huge downgrade if we do that.
46:52
SPEAKER_01: However, that'll cost us less than two million dollars next year.
46:56
SPEAKER_01: So this year, our outfield defense, our corner outfielders cost us almost$50 million.
47:02
SPEAKER_01: So next year it'll be$2 million.
47:04
SPEAKER_01: Now that's not strategy I like, but if we're going into a lockout and we don't have cash to spend, and we need to get a 1-2-3, the one-two-three is way more important than who plays right field or left field.
47:16
SPEAKER_01: Our starting pitching is so much more important, and then the last nugget of this is if you look at the Brewers in the race, and then you look at the Guardians, and start talking about premium, who's got big time corner outfield, you know, superstars, so to say, there's not a ton of money is is spent there.
47:37
SPEAKER_01: Like at almost at all, on the three teams in the World Series, which is not me saying they shouldn't.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying we talked at the start of the show about how you know teams learn in the offseason, they apply, you know, whatever trends are hot in baseball right now.
47:53
SPEAKER_01: And I'm interested, the fact that the Brewers and the Rays are in the World Series against each other is this gonna trend more towards investment in front offices?
48:03
SPEAKER_01: Is it gonna trend more towards, you know, like the island of misfit toys as position players, is what you're seeing.
48:09
SPEAKER_01: It's is kind of the way I'd I'd explain it.
48:12
SPEAKER_01: So if if the Cubs this would be a shitty thing, would be the Cubs coming out of this offseason and and taking the success of other organizations, being like, Well, we'll just do it like that.
48:27
SPEAKER_01: We should do it like that.
48:29
SPEAKER_01: And that would be the most disappointing thing.
48:32
SPEAKER_01: And the fact that we're losing two corner outfielders and we have the opportunity to plug in two guys for under two million dollars and just show up to spring training next year and be like, Well, we got Pedro, we got Matt.
48:42
SPEAKER_01: See, guys, it's very tempting to do that as the front office, and then you can turn around and justify it and say, look at what the Rays and the Brewers and the Guardians, and you know, we're just gonna be more intelligent with how we spend our money, and that just rips my heart really out of it.
48:56
SPEAKER_00: That's not it's not thought leadership, that is copycat, and it is that's not being on the forefront of things, and that tells me that we don't have the right people in charge if that's the mentality.
49:10
SPEAKER_01: I love what you just said.
49:12
SPEAKER_01: Thought leadership is is is Theo Epstein.
49:15
SPEAKER_01: Everything that the it was thought leadership, we're gonna we're gonna get all the draft capital and we're gonna build through position player prospects and blah blah blah, dude.
49:25
SPEAKER_01: When's the last time we had a sense of of like thought leadership with the Chicago Cubs?
49:31
SPEAKER_01: You know, and then people go, PCA, we didn't try it, we wanted to trade for what who Francisco Alvarez?
49:39
SPEAKER_01: We wanted to trade for the catcher from the Mets.
49:41
SPEAKER_01: Like the Mets were like, no, you can have PCA instead.
49:43
SPEAKER_01: So it wasn't even like we traded for PCA as much as the Mets gave us PCA.
49:49
SPEAKER_01: I gotta calm down.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: It's alright.
49:51
SPEAKER_00: I know we got a hard stop coming up here, but um ball or strike, dude.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the Cubs have prospect capital to get someone like Akuna, ball or strike, Akuna.
50:05
SPEAKER_01: No, no, that's ridiculous.
50:07
SPEAKER_01: And if we do that again, like we did that for the Kyle Tucker to get us back into the playoffs, to get us a taste, to kind of round out, hey, we gave Dansby all this money, you know, we got Pete coming up, could be, you know, could be special.
50:18
SPEAKER_01: There, there's a lot of moving parts over like you needed a superstar, so you trade for Kyle Tucker.
50:23
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm not going to this offseason being like, we need a superstar bat.
50:26
SPEAKER_01: Like, if we did make a trade, I'd want it to be for a number one.
50:29
SPEAKER_01: And even then, you know, I I I hate that.
50:32
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to give up prospects for for a year of starting pitching.
50:35
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to give up prospects for Ronald Cunha.
50:37
SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to give up Owen Casey for Edward Cabrera.
50:40
SPEAKER_01: And speaking of which, there are two right fielders in Major League Baseball right now who will who will from the time of this recording will probably combine for over 20 years of service time.
50:56
SPEAKER_01: Uh probably will combine for 20 years of service time and will probably accumulate you know a combined 12,000 played appearances in their career.
51:08
SPEAKER_01: Owen Casey and Cam Smith.
51:12
SPEAKER_01: And they were right, they could have been right.
51:14
SPEAKER_01: We're talking about who's gonna play right field for the Cubs, and instead we have Edward Cabrera and we got a year Kyle Tucker.
51:23
unknown: Right.
51:23
SPEAKER_01: So we have we have Edward Cabrera and one year of Kyle Tucker, and in exchange, we'll give up two decades of above average right field production.
51:32
SPEAKER_01: So, no, I don't want to trade for another year Ronald Acuna or anybody.
51:36
SPEAKER_01: How's that sound, Mahoney?
51:38
SPEAKER_00: It's sound it sounds good.
51:39
SPEAKER_00: You we can't just deal, I can't just say deal prospect all the time when we just did, you know, and the farm needs some maintenance.
51:48
SPEAKER_01: So you're right though, we do have a hard we do have a hard stop here.
51:51
SPEAKER_01: This is the Monday morning cub show.
51:52
SPEAKER_01: It is Tuesday, October 20th.
51:55
SPEAKER_01: And like I want to get on my horse and be proud and ride high, whatever the fucking saying is, dude.
52:00
SPEAKER_01: I want I want to pound my chess, but it's impossible at this stage.
52:04
SPEAKER_01: Like the reality is so is so bleak.
52:09
SPEAKER_01: Right.
52:10
SPEAKER_00: I'll pound our chest to say, hey, we we we put together a Monday morning cub show with tangible Cubs discussion.
52:17
SPEAKER_00: So I'm happy about that.
52:19
SPEAKER_00: I'm happy for you, and I'm happy for the maniacs that are listening.
52:23
SPEAKER_00: But we might get a little loosey-goosey next time, too, folks.
52:26
SPEAKER_00: So we'll see.
52:26
SPEAKER_00: Wait until you hear my movie reviews.
52:28
SPEAKER_01: Well, this is where I get mad because like you I care a lot, and uh, and I'm willing to sit and think critically about what the club should do and what our front office should do.
52:39
SPEAKER_01: And I'm not that far off from what we should be doing and what the major blow-up mistakes have been, especially over the last couple years.
52:51
SPEAKER_01: And what bothers me is as you and I talk about it, it seems pretty cut and dry, right?
52:56
SPEAKER_01: Like it seems pretty obvious that we need starting pitching help, and we should be spending more money than we probably will.
53:02
SPEAKER_01: We have these obstacles in front of us with the lockout, and and the fact that we're so utterly helpless.
53:12
SPEAKER_01: Not us as fans, I'm saying the organization.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: Like, like Tom has no poll as an owner.
53:18
SPEAKER_01: Jed is getting schooled by the Milwaukee Brewers.
53:21
SPEAKER_01: Carter Hawkins should not have this job, and Craig Council has been masterclass by fucking Pat Murphy since the day he left Milwaukee.
53:33
SPEAKER_01: And what bothers me is that you and I care so much.
53:37
SPEAKER_01: We'll do we'll do these shows, and I know the maniacs listeners, they care so much about the Cubs.
53:42
SPEAKER_01: But I'm personally at the point where like I don't know how much more I can take from the Chicago Cubs based on how much I care and how how little resolve we have as an organization, and how easy we blame shit outside our control.
53:56
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you didn't know this happened, and this and that, and how easily we say we didn't have control over that.
54:02
SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm I am getting sick to my stomach.
54:05
SPEAKER_01: So we do need to keep it loosey-goosey next time.
54:08
SPEAKER_01: Because I've we've we set the we've set the stage for what the saw season looks like, I suppose.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: No, absolutely.
54:13
SPEAKER_00: The stage is set.
54:15
SPEAKER_00: Get your popcorn, ladies and gentlemen.
54:19
SPEAKER_01: You have a good day.
54:20
SPEAKER_01: What else you got going?
54:22
SPEAKER_00: Not a whole lot, man.
54:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
54:25
SPEAKER_00: Bullshitting.
54:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, bullshit.
54:27
SPEAKER_00: Gotta start raking some leaves.
54:29
SPEAKER_00: Uh Halloween decorations are rocking and rolling.
54:32
SPEAKER_00: I went and got two uh bluey things, and now I got the like you know, projection on the garage of a bunch of bluey characters dancing all dressed up in Halloween.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: Kids love it.
54:44
SPEAKER_00: So looking good, yeah.
54:45
SPEAKER_00: Preparing for the season.
54:48
SPEAKER_01: I might be going to the World Series with Leonard Fournette.
54:51
SPEAKER_01: That is sick.
54:52
SPEAKER_01: Because he's in Tampa.
54:53
SPEAKER_01: I know it's like I should have said this off the top, but I it's a quick drive.
54:57
SPEAKER_01: It's different than uh it's just it's a it's a different thing.
55:01
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm helping him produce content, I'm helping Mike Gio at Sportscard Nonsense like put this together, and Lenny just signed a contract with him to make content.
55:09
SPEAKER_01: So we're I'm editing these shows and putting together some stuff for him.
55:11
SPEAKER_01: But then Lenny was like, hey, if Tampa makes it to the World Series, I'll call my people at the raise and get us passes.
55:17
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what?
55:18
SPEAKER_01: What and I I think football players can do that.
55:22
SPEAKER_01: Like, I've I have no experience.
55:24
SPEAKER_01: I've I've been to World Series before with Jake Arrietta, and we didn't have poll, we couldn't get credentialed anywhere.
55:31
SPEAKER_01: We were barceled.
55:32
SPEAKER_01: People were like, you know, we can't give you passes.
55:35
SPEAKER_01: This is different though, because it's through Lenny, and Lenny won a Super Bowl in Tampa.
55:40
SPEAKER_00: So oh, dude, allegend.
55:42
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I Heisman Trophy winners too have kind of a different different pull than I think a lot of people.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: Runner up, my bad, but you know, he should have won.
55:49
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
55:50
unknown: Whatever.
55:51
SPEAKER_00: Um, no, it's amazing, dude.
55:53
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, you get to experience it.
55:55
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
55:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, you might be working it, whatever, but still just being in the ballpark for a World Series.
56:00
SPEAKER_00: The tickets are averaged is higher than a Super Bowl right now, is one of the stats that I saw.
56:06
SPEAKER_00: So it's 2,000 plus just to get in the door.
56:09
SPEAKER_00: And it's a high, high priced item.
56:12
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, just in comparison, I never would have guessed that.
56:15
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, take that, take advantage of that opportunity, my man.
56:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
56:20
SPEAKER_01: So stay posted on that.
56:21
SPEAKER_01: There's some other good stuff coming.
56:23
SPEAKER_01: You know, like there's a the the the lockout as we talk about, it's like, of course, the lockouts come in.
56:28
SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, like I'm probably going down to Arizona for spring training again this year, so it's like, ah, yes, the lockout.
56:37
SPEAKER_01: Perfect timing.
56:38
SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
56:39
SPEAKER_00: And I say that sarcastically because you'll be in Arizona and the operations will be shut down.
56:44
SPEAKER_01: But does that make for a smaller rent payment?
56:49
SPEAKER_01: Like, do is the is the apartment that I'm renting gonna be significantly.
56:54
SPEAKER_00: It should be.
56:55
SPEAKER_01: So we'll let the we'll let the market kind of we'll let the we'll let the supply flood the market, and then we'll get a place.
57:03
SPEAKER_01: But I forgot to tell you that.
57:04
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to tell, I was like, if the Rays go to the World Series, I might end up at that with Leonard Fournet, and I might be in Arizona throughout spring training.
57:12
SPEAKER_00: So well, very cool.
57:13
SPEAKER_00: I'll have to get down to Mesa and visit you guys at one point.
57:16
SPEAKER_00: And all that said, speaking of Milwaukee, I got two tickets to goose Sunday night, November 8th.
57:21
SPEAKER_00: Think about it, Carl.
57:23
SPEAKER_00: Oh, sick, dude.
57:25
SPEAKER_00: There's no way Kate's gonna be able to come with me.
57:28
SPEAKER_00: Do you want to go?
57:30
SPEAKER_00: I have tickets.
57:31
SPEAKER_00: I have two.
57:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm asking if you want to go.
57:33
SPEAKER_01: I want to go, but I don't want to go if Kate's gone.
57:36
SPEAKER_00: Like it's like she can't go.
57:37
SPEAKER_00: She can't.
57:38
SPEAKER_00: She already told me last night.
57:39
SPEAKER_00: I owe I've not I always buy it's a Sunday night show, it's not gonna work.
57:44
SPEAKER_00: We'll take this one offline.
57:46
SPEAKER_01: All right, I'll get us an Uber, so we'll figure this out.
57:48
SPEAKER_01: It's dude, it's so good doing the Monday Morning Cub show with you.
57:51
SPEAKER_01: I hope the maniacs can feel the friendship.
57:53
SPEAKER_01: And uh you know, I just want to say thanks everybody for tuning in.
57:56
SPEAKER_01: Check out Thirsty Vicero if you haven't yet.
57:59
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58:00
SPEAKER_01: You know, if you guys got stuff you want us to talk about next week, we should probably open it up for a mailbag.
58:04
SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's time to have another maniac on it.
58:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, it's like I gotta check in with Lizard King.
58:08
SPEAKER_01: We haven't talked to Cook Daddy in a minute, so a lot of stuff on my mind, buddy, but I'll tell you this.
58:14
SPEAKER_01: I'm lucky to be a Cubs fan, I'm lucky to be your buddy, lucky to be a part of the maniacs, and uh and we'll see you guys next week.
58:19
SPEAKER_01: Go Cubs.
58:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, folks, go Cubs, have a great week.