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3 Kids Dead, 18 Hours, No Verdict: Pat Opens the Phones | 9/2/26 · Pat Gray Unleashed

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  Speaker 1: Pat Gray is here on the Blaze Radio Network.
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  Speaker 2: All right. I just have to apologize for Chris. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my gosh. That's a second we're never getting back.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: You've just been robbed of a full second, maybe to
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  Speaker 2: one and a half seconds.
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  Speaker 3: And we're robbing so many more to tell you about it.
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  Speaker 1: That's not the point.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: No, that is not the point. The point is, when
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  Speaker 2: I say bam, that thing should be on. It should
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  Speaker 2: be right there.
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  Speaker 1: What I think is happening is that your clock is
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  Speaker 1: half a second faster than my next-gen clock.
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  Speaker 3: Blame the clock.
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  Speaker 2: These are atomic clocks.
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  Speaker 1: They're accurate.
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  Speaker 5: As far as I know, these atomic clocks are hooked
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  Speaker 5: in through next-gen.
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  Speaker 2: They're hooked into a computer.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That runs a program that runs a clock. So they're
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  Speaker 1: not connected to next gen.
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  Speaker 3: Can we take another ADD detour here?
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  Speaker 2: I have a question.
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  Speaker 3: How do the atomic clocks work? Seriously, how does that work?
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  Speaker 2: Through atoms. Yeah, they've got a lot of atoms in them.
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  Speaker 3: Jeffy?
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  Speaker 2: Put the atoms in a box. You shake it. Pretty
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  Speaker 2: soon you've got a clock. You've got a clock. That's
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  Speaker 2: how the universe was formed. That's what I thought.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Put a bunch of spare parts in a box. Shook
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  Speaker 2: it for 14 billion years.
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  Speaker 1: And a Rolex came out.
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  Speaker 3: Here we are. That's what they want you to believe, man.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 1: And a Rolex came out.
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  Speaker 3: A Rolex came out.
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  Speaker 2: Dang nice one, too.
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  Speaker 1: That freaking nice one.
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  Speaker 2: Where, I mean, if... Things didn't work the way they were.
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  Speaker 2: We'd all be dead. We wouldn't have lived in the
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  Speaker 2: first place. And yet, through all those amazing shakes, everything
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  Speaker 2: was formed perfectly for life to happen here.
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  Speaker 3: Is there another show that you can think of? They
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  Speaker 3: can start talking about what time the show begins and
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  Speaker 3: end up on a discussion about creation versus evolution. There's
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  Speaker 3: no other show that does this.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: And you're welcome.
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  Speaker 3: And you're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: They stole our idea.
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  Speaker 3: They stole our idea.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we do here.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what we've always done. We're damn proud of it.
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  Speaker 2: Because we hear.
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  Speaker 1: You all out there, radio hosts, doing our jokes.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay. That is for sure.
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  Speaker 1: The whole thing, Keith started it, we'll give him that.
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  Speaker 1: The whole, you don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Her, she has another say. The Tallarico girlfriend thing.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm hearing it way too many mainstream.
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  Speaker 2: All over the place.
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  Speaker 1: Way too many mainstream.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, just add that to the list of so
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  Speaker 3: many things.
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  Speaker 2: Often imitated, never duplicated. Packery Unleashed.
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  Speaker 1: So you're welcome.
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  Speaker 3: I swear, if one of them does a bit about
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  Speaker 3: starting the show late today, we're going to riot, boys.
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  Speaker 2: So the Lindsay trial, Lindsay Clancy trial continues, and they're
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  Speaker 2: still deliberating. Yesterday they announced they were deadlocked. I think
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  Speaker 2: that happened right after the show, didn't it? Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They said they were deadlocked and came whining to the judge.
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  Speaker 2: I think they wanted to be set free.
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  Speaker 3: I think so.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: You've tried for three days?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: For 16 total hours? Okay. Go home. Okay, we'll throw
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  Speaker 2: this trial out. So he told them to go back
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  Speaker 2: and work it out.
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  Speaker 3: Try harder.
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  Speaker 2: Try harder.
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  Speaker 1: Then he let them leave early.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Sure did. And some people say this is AI. But
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  Speaker 1: I believe we have an artist rendering of what's currently happening.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Our boys are sticking their guns while the nagging ladies are,
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  Speaker 1: don't convict.
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  Speaker 3: Don't convict.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Which one's the foreman? Do we know?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a great question. We don't know who the
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  Speaker 1: foreman is. Can't be one of the guys.
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  Speaker 2: No, it could not.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So boys, I know you're not listening to media because
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  Speaker 1: you were told not to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. But we're there for you.
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  Speaker 1: Stick to your guns. Yeah, most definitely.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think should happen here? I'd like to
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  Speaker 2: hear from you. 888-933-93. What is her accountability level? There
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  Speaker 2: seems to be a lot of women supporting her. And
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  Speaker 2: it's so bad that You know, if this continues, I
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  Speaker 2: think we need to repeal the 19th Amendment.
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  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Women have just shown, I'm sorry, you've got no judgment.
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  Speaker 2: So they can't vote? You can't vote anymore.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you got the whole Luigi Mangione is good looking,
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  Speaker 2: so we support him. You've got this situation going on.
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  Speaker 2: You've got the crazy voting that they've been doing lately
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  Speaker 2: with the Democratic Socialists, and they all seem to be
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  Speaker 2: behind them. The liberals, any liberal who is elected is
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  Speaker 2: elected because of women. Not men.
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  Speaker 5: If this holds true and she, say, walks from this
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  Speaker 5: or rolls away.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, she can't walk.
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  Speaker 2: She can't walk anymore.
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  Speaker 5: And that means that she was struggling with her hormones, right?
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  Speaker 2: And that's what caused her to do it. I don't think.
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  Speaker 5: You know, women can never say that they are as
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  Speaker 5: strong as men ever again.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they'll tell you, you don't have to have a baby.
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  Speaker 2: You can't have a baby, so you don't know what
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  Speaker 2: that's like.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so if you're looking for a job, are you
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  Speaker 5: thinking about getting pregnant or having a baby? Because we
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  Speaker 5: want to make sure that you stay stable here at
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  Speaker 5: the office.
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  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Repeal the 19th Amendment. If this continues, we've got to
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  Speaker 2: repeal the 19th Amendment. If she gets off, if this
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  Speaker 2: is a hung jury and it turns out that all
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  Speaker 2: nine women were trying to set her free, find her
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  Speaker 2: not guilty, then... You know, we've got to make a
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  Speaker 2: serious effort here.
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  Speaker 3: So what are the options here? You could do not guilty.
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  Speaker 3: You could do not guilty by reason of insanity. Manslaughter.
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  Speaker 3: You could do life with possible parole. And you could
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  Speaker 3: do life, no parole.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no death penalty in Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 6: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: What a surprise. Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 3: But 888-933-93 with your thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great jury.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great jury.
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  Speaker 3: And so when one of these gets, at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the show today, we'll just see what the majority wins,
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  Speaker 3: and then we'll call up the judge.
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  Speaker 2: I think they threw manslaughter in late, too. Because I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was four options.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they threw manslaughter in late.
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  Speaker 3: But she has admitted.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at this. Right, she admitted.
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  Speaker 3: How could not guilty even be an option? She admitted. I, well.
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  Speaker 2: Because I think it's not guilty by reason of insanity,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it? No, that's another option. That's a separate option.
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  Speaker 2: I watched a segment on this. They've got just plain
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  Speaker 2: not guilty?
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know how that's even a thing when
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  Speaker 3: you admitted it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How could that be a thing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I guess maybe she said she was not guilty in
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  Speaker 5: front of the judge, but she admitted it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. She did.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you're interested. I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: far back you want to go. I got exit poll
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  Speaker 3: data from... Now, going back to 1972 and how women
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  Speaker 3: voted in each presidential election. Oh, wow. Would you like
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  Speaker 3: to go down this way to see if they've ever
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  Speaker 3: had common sense? Because I haven't looked at this. Let's
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  Speaker 3: see if there's any common sense here.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, 53%.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden, 57%.
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  Speaker 9: Oof.
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  Speaker 3: It says 55, 57. I don't know how many of
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  Speaker 3: those are made up. Anyway, Hillary Clinton, 54%. Barack Obama, 55%.
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  Speaker 3: Barack Obama, 56%.
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  Speaker 2: John Kerry, 51%.
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  Speaker 4: Al Gore, 54%.
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  Speaker 3: Bill Clinton, 55%. Bill Clinton, 45%.
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  Speaker 8: Still more.
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  Speaker 3: All these are the majorities in these votes, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: Michael Dukakis. Oh, that's where it breaks. It was 50
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  Speaker 3: to 49.
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  Speaker 2: George H.W.
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  Speaker 3: Bush. And then Reagan won the women vote twice. Jimmy
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  Speaker 3: Carter won over Ford.
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  Speaker 2: Reagan, they did actually vote for Reagan.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So Nixon, 62 to 38 over McGovern.
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  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So they went for Nixon, Reagan, Reagan, Bush the first time.
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  Speaker 3: So four times since 1972, the women have voted correctly
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  Speaker 3: in the presidential election.
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  Speaker 2: Four times.
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  Speaker 3: Four times.
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  Speaker 2: Voted the way the man said they should vote.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. There you go.
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  Speaker 3: That's how far back we go on exit poll data.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure if you went back the full 100 years,
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  Speaker 3: there wouldn't be many more correct votes here.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is not even a new thing. Women
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  Speaker 2: who have postpartum depression who've killed their children. Andrea Yates,
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  Speaker 2: we all remember that from back in the early 2000s,
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  Speaker 2: like 2001.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She's still in a mental institution. But you can go
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  Speaker 2: all the way back. You mentioned this yesterday, Keith. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if it was, was it during the regular show? Overtime.
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  Speaker 3: Overtime.
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  Speaker 2: This is worth, this is a story worth telling. Most definitely.
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  Speaker 3: I was scrambling here. Unbelievable. I still had this tab open,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm glad here. So a woman by the name
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  Speaker 3: of Constance Fisher, this happened in... 1954. Yeah, in 1954
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  Speaker 3: in the state of Maine.
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  Speaker 2: As far as I know, no relation.
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  Speaker 3: No relation, okay.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's good to hear. But she killed her three children, Richard, six, Daniel, four, Deborah,
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  Speaker 3: 11 months, in a bathtub. This was in Waterville, Maine.
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  Speaker 3: Drowned them.
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  Speaker 2: Just horrible.
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  Speaker 8: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And then she tried to kill herself. She was found.
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  Speaker 2: The same exact thing.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 3: She was found not guilty by reason of insanity, committed
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  Speaker 3: to a state hospital, and released around 1959 after being
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  Speaker 3: declared improved.
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  Speaker 2: Released five years later.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so he's fine now.
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  Speaker 2: Husband was still waiting for her.
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  Speaker 3: Stayed with her. They had three more children. Which is beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: They replaced the dead kids with some living ones.
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  Speaker 3: Kathleen, Michael, and Natalie. And then on June 30th, 1966,
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  Speaker 3: she drowned those three children as well. Again in a bathtub,
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  Speaker 3: nearly the same exact ages as the previous three.
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  Speaker 2: They were six, four, and nine months this time.
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  Speaker 3: And then the father came home, just as he did
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  Speaker 3: in 1954. She was recommitted and later drowned in 1973 after.
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  Speaker 2: Escaping the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: In 1973. Oh, 1973.
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  Speaker 2: That's incredible. That's incredible. It sure is. So not only
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  Speaker 2: is she released, she goes ahead and has three more
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  Speaker 2: kids who she then kills as well. Right. Oh, man.
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  Speaker 8: Oof.
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  Speaker 2: What a horrible story. How do we not know that?
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  Speaker 2: That is... Unbelievable. I didn't know about that until yesterday. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Incredible.
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  Speaker 3: I think life in prison, no parole, I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: I know that's my vote if I'm in that jury.
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  Speaker 2: Life in prison.
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  Speaker 3: No parole.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: And I hate to do that because we're going to,
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  Speaker 5: the state's going to end up paying for her forever,
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  Speaker 5: but that's the only way out.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't have her, you know, potentially doing
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  Speaker 2: this again. She does not belong in free society.
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 4: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care what the women are screaming about. It's
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  Speaker 2: his fault. It's his fault? How is it the father's fault?
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  Speaker 2: He tried to get her help. Tried and tried and
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  Speaker 2: tried over and over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because we were questioning all the medications and all
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  Speaker 5: the doctors.
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  Speaker 2: I doubt she was taking 30 at a time.
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  Speaker 5: No, she may have been mixing and matching a little bit,
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  Speaker 5: but I feel like she would take them for a
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  Speaker 5: little bit and then they wouldn't work or she didn't
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  Speaker 5: think they'd work. So she'd go to another doctor and
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  Speaker 5: try to get some different medications.
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  Speaker 2: September 12th or 15th, 2022, she went to Dr. Jennifer
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  Speaker 2: Tufts at Astor Mental Health. And then mid-October 2022, she
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  Speaker 2: went back. On November 16th, she went to a different hospital,
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  Speaker 2: South Shore Hospital, emergency department, and saw a doctor there.
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  Speaker 2: On November 21st through the 25th, she went back again
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  Speaker 2: to another doctor, November 29th and 30th in 2022, she
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  Speaker 2: went to yet another doctor in the same clinic. Then
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  Speaker 2: in December of 2022, she goes again to the South
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  Speaker 2: Shore and sees a separate doctor. So that's what, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, five to ten doctors already she's seen. On
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  Speaker 2: December 4th, 2022, she.
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  Speaker 2: Actually tried to commit suicide. And so she saw more
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  Speaker 2: mental health agents. December 16th, she went back again. December
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  Speaker 2: 20th and 21st, she went to Mass General Hospital. December 31st,
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  Speaker 2: she went to McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts. January 6th
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  Speaker 2: through the 23rd, she went back to the first doctor.
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  Speaker 7: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Trying desperately to get some help here. And no doubt
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  Speaker 2: the husband was doing everything he possibly could to help her,
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  Speaker 2: to get her some care. And then on January 24th
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  Speaker 2: of 2023, she actually murdered the kids. That's unbelievable. It is.
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  Speaker 5: Now, I guess you make the case is that if
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  Speaker 5: he knew that there was an issue, why? I mean,
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  Speaker 5: maybe he felt I'm just running to the store for
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  Speaker 5: 30 minutes.
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? He shouldn't have. I get
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  Speaker 1: the idea that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: And if they think he's guilty of something, then put
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  Speaker 3: him on trial after you deal with her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Gosh.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because, I mean, he certainly didn't do any of
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  Speaker 5: the deeds.
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  Speaker 1: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: It was all her.
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  Speaker 8: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: He was heartbroken. I mean, listen to the 911 call.
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  Speaker 3: I cannot imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, really horrible. I mean, can you imagine coming.
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  Speaker 1: Home to that?
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  Speaker 3: I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I can't. It's impossible. It's impossible to relate to that.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk to Sam in Michigan. Sam, welcome.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, hi.
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  Speaker 12: Hi.
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  Speaker 11: My opinion is that she's definitely guilty. I feel bad
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  Speaker 11: for her mental health struggles, but I've been on a
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  Speaker 11: combination of those medications without a problem. And I think
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  Speaker 11: the thing that struck me the most is that she
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  Speaker 11: did the kids first and then tried to kill herself.
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  Speaker 11: Why didn't she just spare the kids?
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  Speaker 2: Start with herself.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So what punishment are we going with, Sam? Life with
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  Speaker 3: no parole?
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  Speaker 14: Well, my punishment for her is not on that list.
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  Speaker 1: I do life.
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  Speaker 11: I do life.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Life with no parole or possible parole?
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  Speaker 15: No parole.
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  Speaker 2: No parole. Thanks, Sam.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Sam.
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  Speaker 16: All right.
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  Speaker 3: There's a woman making sense. Get her in the jury room.
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  Speaker 1: Should have asked her about Al Sayed.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, gosh.
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  Speaker 2: Jessica in Alabama. Welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Hi.
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  Speaker 5: Hi.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to see if you guys have followed any
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  Speaker 4: of the social media conspiracy about how the husband did it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Seeing some of that.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Well, do you believe that?
• 15:34
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I absolutely believe it.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: She's admitted to it. It's preposterous.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: Hold on. Before we go down this road, what are
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: you going to vote then?
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: I want to know. So she's not guilty?
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: She's not guilty.
• 15:45
  Speaker 18: Period.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: The husband did it to him, to the kids, and
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: to her because none of her DNA was on any
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: of the ligatures that were used to strangle the kids,
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: but the husband's DNA was. And her body temperature was
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: 84 degrees, which is actually physiologically impossible in the time
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: that he was gone to CVS. and the way that
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: she fell out the window was like she was dangled
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: from her feet rather than.
• 16:15
  Speaker 16: Jumped out the window.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: But I have a question. She admitted her guilt, correct?
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: So she admitted it, and I think that she admitted
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: it because they had convinced her, her husband convinced her that.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: She did it.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: She did it, right.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Because she was in the ER.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Right, she admitted it to the police. That's it.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: She didn't admit it to anyplace.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Else, right?
• 16:38
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: She hasn't testified. So.
• 16:41
  Speaker 16: Right.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So I think that they like her husband and
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: probably the police were all like, oh, my gosh, what.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Did you do?
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: You know, the husband said that he came home from CBS.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: And that he found her out in the snow. He
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: doesn't go over to her and tend to her. He
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: immediately is like, oh, my God, what did you do?
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: And she's like, I tried to kill myself. And the
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: kids are and he's like, where are the kids? And
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: she says they're in the basement. Her thyroid was broken.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: It is impossible to be able to carry on a conversation.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: And her body temperature was at 84 degrees.
• 17:12
  Speaker 14: She's going to talk.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: She's going to have a full conversation.
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Are you convinced? It was the dad.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: And then he goes inside and he finds the kids. And,
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: you know, it said that whenever, you know, they got
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: there or whatever, like he didn't go back out and
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: like check on her.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: So hang on a second. So did Lindsay Clancy say
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: all of this or is this just Internet fun?
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Well, it is on the Internet. So, you know, take
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: it for what it is.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: But did she say that this is what happened?
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: No, the husband, according to what I'm seeing on the Internet,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: I have not seen the police videos, but the husband
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: is claiming that when he came home from CBS that
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: she was in the snow.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: And he went over to her and said, you know,
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: what happened or what did you do? And she said, yeah,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: I tried to kill myself. And he said, where's the kids?
• 18:08
  Speaker 14: And she said, they're in the basement.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: And he immediately goes.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the DNA from both parents is going
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: to be on the children, right? Because they contact them.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: All the time.
• 18:20
  Speaker 14: Not on the children.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Her DNA was on the exercise bands, which is what
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: she used to strangle them.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, so what I'm hearing is that her DNA was
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: not on the exercise bands, that his was.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I'm reading that it was. Can I just ask a
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: quick question?
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: And I don't know what was testified to, but I...
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: I had not heard that there was no DNA on
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: those particular items.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, the mother's DNA would have to be on
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the kids.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: She touches them.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: No, but I'm talking about the murder, you know, on
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the murder.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, on the exercise band? So let me just ask this.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Let's say you are Lindsay Clancy, and let's say that
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: just for the sake of this conversation, you did not
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: kill your children. You are innocent of this crime, and
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: this conspiracy theory is the truth. Are you not demanding
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: to your attorneys to get on the stand and tell
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: this story, making sure that you prevent yourself from possibly
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: living the rest of your life behind bars? If you
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: know that someone else murdered your children, but yet the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: world and the justice system are going to make you
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: pay for this crime as if you did it? If
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: you're innocent, are you not demanding getting on the stand?
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: We truly believe in all her heart that she didn't
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: because they had her convinced that she did. And she
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: laid in a hospital bed with a ventilator and couldn't
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: speak for a long time in the ICU. And all
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: she could do is just have stuff said to her.
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: So I think she.
• 19:50
  Speaker 15: was brainwashed.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I think the medication was making her feel like she
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: was going crazy. I mean, if you read in her journal,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: she obviously was not OK.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: And if you've got somebody telling you, OK, I know
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: you're out of your mind and this is what you've done.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're already you're already in an unstable place.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: What about today? Now you don't have that psychosis happening.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Do you not now.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: That you're in a better state of mind? Oh, she's
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: crazy forever.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: You want to get up there?
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Isn't an attorney not going to tell you, though, hey,
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: don't get up there because the cross-examination could make you falter?
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: Sure.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's probably for her best interest. She may
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: want to, but her attorney may be telling her absolutely not.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Now, just before you go, and I just want to
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: let you know just so.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: To help you out a little bit. Who'd you vote for?
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Her DNA was present on the exercise bands.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: They were unable to obtain usable fingerprints from the bands
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: and the knife.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: But her DNA was there. But the DNA was there.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: It's not unusual for the fingerprints not to be because
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: they're exercise bands.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Because of the textures, yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Thanks a lot. Appreciate it, Jessica. You know, keep thinking
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: about it. Keep researching it. Right.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. And don't believe everything you see on
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: the internet.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Wait, what?
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I know.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: That's a bold statement. I realize. I realize I went
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: out there on a limb. You sure did, sir. It's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: a shaky limb out there.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: It's a very shaky limb.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I still want to know who Jessica voted for. I
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: think that's a fair question.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: That is a fair question. Dang.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: I think we should add that to the list of
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: questions today.
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Over here.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Cheryl in Florida. Welcome.
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: Morning.
• 21:26
  Speaker 13: I say, first-degree murder, life without parole. I just wish
• 21:30
  Speaker 13: she was in the free state of Florida so our
• 21:32
  Speaker 13: governor could take care of her. I think you were
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: just talking to Candace Owens.
• 21:37
  Speaker 18: Weren't.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: You? Thanks, Cheryl. But, I mean, that can happen. When
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: you start down rabbit holes online and, you know, you
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: just believe what you're being told and it Fits the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: narrative you want. And you want to believe it. Sometimes
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: you want to believe it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: You don't want to believe.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Who wants to believe a mother just brutally murdered her
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: three children for no reason? Nobody wants to believe that.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And so it's a lot easier to pin that on
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: the husband. But I don't think he did it. No.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Did he do enough? Did he?
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Did he?
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Was it? irresponsible of him to leave her alone with them,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: knowing what he knew? I don't know. I don't know.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe he thought, yeah, I'm just going to be gone
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: for a few minutes. Okay, I'm just going to be
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: gone for a few minutes. Trying to help her out.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Let me go get their things, bring them back. I
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: But we are in a society where it is so
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: hip and in vogue to blame... The man first. For
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: fill in the blank.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And the toxic masculinity.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Toxic masculinity.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: And not believe anything. Yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: So when that door is just a little crack open there,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: there is a subset of our culture, maybe larger than
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: a subset, that's going to kick it wide open and say, ta-da,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: there's your murderer for real.
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, her own lawyers don't deny she did it.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I think that's pretty telling. Because if they had solid
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: evidence that the husband did it, that his DNA is everywhere,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: including the exercise bands, and he looks shady, wouldn't they
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: be saying something about that?
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, even if she had, you know, whatever, it's not
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: Stockholm Syndrome, but even if she was struggling to believe
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: what she had done, right?
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: So.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: It's easy to do, but don't.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Just don't. We've got another Cheryl on the line in Florida.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Hey, Cheryl.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: Welcome.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Hi, Pat.
• 23:44
  Speaker 16: Hi, Keith and Jesse.
• 23:45
  Speaker 19: Yay.
• 23:45
  Speaker 16: I'm so glad I'm on.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Yo, yo.
• 23:49
  Speaker 11: Can you hear me?
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: Yep. Yep.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Through the miracle of modern technology.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: We can.
• 23:55
  Speaker 16: I'm not going to be as much fun as Sam,
• 23:56
  Speaker 16: I'm sorry. And I have a slightly different take. I
• 24:00
  Speaker 16: can't believe there's even a trial because if I did that,
• 24:04
  Speaker 16: I would be begging you to put me to death.
• 24:07
  Speaker 16: I mean, what are you going to do, start over?
• 24:09
  Speaker 13: I mean, oh my gosh, if you.
• 24:11
  Speaker 16: Really felt bad about this, you know, I mean, there
• 24:14
  Speaker 16: shouldn't even be this trial. That's number one. Number two,
• 24:18
  Speaker 16: and I know there's a bunch of crazy women getting
• 24:21
  Speaker 16: their news on TikTok and, you know, all that stuff of,
• 24:24
  Speaker 16: you know, they're one step away from, you know, blah, blah, blah.
• 24:28
  Speaker 16: And what I want to say is I have mental
• 24:31
  Speaker 16: health issues from traumas, not microaggressions like real traumas where
• 24:34
  Speaker 16: people went to jail.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: And, you know, guns were involved.
• 24:37
  Speaker 17: Oh, wow.
• 24:39
  Speaker 16: And I'm a conservative woman who's self-supporting and happen to
• 24:43
  Speaker 16: be wealthy by most people's standards.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: What are you doing tonight?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Jeffy's interested now.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Jeffy needs your number.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: Jeffy, you're so sweet.
• 24:55
  Speaker 16: Anyway, I wanted to say, I think that sometimes women
• 24:59
  Speaker 16: are thinking, I'm one step away from asking for help
• 25:02
  Speaker 16: and being steered down a rabbit hole. I'm on two
• 25:06
  Speaker 16: of the meds that Lindsay's on. And, you know, when
• 25:10
  Speaker 16: I saw her med list, I'm like, oh my gosh,
• 25:12
  Speaker 16: and now I'm calling my doctor. And I'm like, you know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 16: so I just think that Whatever, the medical field definitely
• 25:19
  Speaker 16: failed her. They definitely failed her. She was on way
• 25:22
  Speaker 16: too many drugs and she really tried to get help.
• 25:25
  Speaker 16: And I feel really bad about all of that, but
• 25:28
  Speaker 16: I would be begging the court to just give me
• 25:30
  Speaker 16: a shot and kill me.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: And Cheryl, you told me... How are you voting, Cheryl? Oh, yeah,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: do that first, Cheryl.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Life, no parole.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, Cheryl, so you told me on the phone that
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you were on which medication... I know Jeff is going
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: to get upset, but out of the medication that she
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: was prescribed, have you seen any side effects that will
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: make you hear a voice and kill your kids?
• 25:50
  Speaker 16: No, no, but there were times just like when I
• 25:52
  Speaker 16: know I'm overmedicated, but then you have to lean off
• 25:55
  Speaker 16: of it slowly. And then if you go through another
• 25:58
  Speaker 16: like trauma, you know, then you need.
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: To up your meds.
• 26:03
  Speaker 16: I mean, it's just, she went for help right away.
• 26:06
  Speaker 16: They all say postpartum don't last eight months, but she
• 26:09
  Speaker 16: went for help right away. And then they, a bunch
• 26:11
  Speaker 16: of people put her on a bunch of different meds.
• 26:14
  Speaker 16: And now I don't know if she was taking any
• 26:16
  Speaker 16: of them. I've heard something that, you know, her pill
• 26:18
  Speaker 16: bottles were full. I don't know, but I, you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 16: it is scary when you don't, when you can't trust
• 26:25
  Speaker 16: your brain, I will tell you that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And you wish you had a bandaid on it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: For sure.
• 26:30
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Thanks, Cheryl. Yeah. Thanks.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: That's I mean, mental illness is it's a real thing.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: It most definitely is. It's very difficult to treat in
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of cases. Sometimes it lasts a lifetime. Sometimes
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you overcome it. I mean, I think most of us
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: have probably had experience with it in our families. And
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: so you could definitely sympathize with her. She was obviously,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, she went, we read you the list. She
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: went to the hospital over and over and over and
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: over and over again.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And a couple of times she got admitted to the hospital.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: And she stayed there for three days, three nights, three days.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: But when you know that's going on, I mean, the
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: culpability that the husband has is, how do you leave
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: her alone ever with the children?
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I think we need to have a serious conversation about
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the husband's responsibility on this. Or was he just not
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: seeing it? Because that's kind of difficult not to see.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Your wife is out for three days in a hospital visit.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: He knew there were struggles. He had to have.
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, of course he knew. Yeah. So he may have
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: known whether or not she was taking her medicine too.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: True.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And do we know if the medicine was helping or
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: was it hurting? Because it can do that too. We
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: don't know. We don't know. It might have gotten worse.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: And a lot of times when you're having mental issues
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: like that, you get on medication and that's when you
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: stop taking your medication because you're feeling better.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: And according to this, we have.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: And you think you don't need your meds anymore, which
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: is the reason you're feeling better is because of the meds.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: We have eight different doctors giving her prescriptions.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:06
  Speaker 16: Wow.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: But they must have each had the records.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: You would hope.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: You would think so. You would think so. It's your 2026,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: so you wouldn't be giving her something that would... I
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: will say this.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Back in 2022, I think they knew.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: How old were you in 2022?
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I was four. I was four back in 2022.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: I will say this. It has become more and more
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: difficult to go.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Shopping for doctors.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: It sure has. Yep. I mean, there was a time
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: when you could do that.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: There was a time when.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: That time's over. That time is gone.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: And I blame that damn Obamacare. Obamacare.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Put all our records online.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: So... It's a tough one, you know, and I believe
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: she needs to be held accountable. Yes, 100%. So I
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: don't believe the husband did it.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: And no matter what happens, she still stays in protective custody.
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Whether the trial gets thrown out or whatever. I mean,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: if she's found not guilty by reason of insanity, even then,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: she'll be probably in the mental institution for a long time.
• 29:10
  Speaker 20: Yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Andrea Yates is still in a mental institution. And it's
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: 25 years down the road. Oof. So she's not getting
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: out and going home and starting another family anytime soon. Yeah,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: we learned a lesson from Fisher, yeah. Holy cow.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: That is just unconscionable.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: And the fact that nobody knows that story, pretty amazing.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that story.
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody did. Right. 888-900-7000.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: This is apparently all Cheryl Wednesday.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, nice.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: We had two Cheryl's in Florida and now Cheryl in Virginia.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Welcome, Cheryl.
• 30:23
  Speaker 15: Hi.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks for calling.
• 30:25
  Speaker 18: Can we just acknowledge the fact that maybe she's just
• 30:28
  Speaker 18: a sociopath? The husband has three children as well.
• 30:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 30:32
  Speaker 18: He has a wife that's crazy and he's trying to
• 30:36
  Speaker 18: have a living. He runs and he sees his wife
• 30:39
  Speaker 18: in the snow. She says, the kids are in the house,
• 30:42
  Speaker 18: in the basement. Who knows what they're doing? You have
• 30:46
  Speaker 18: to check on the children. You have to make sure
• 30:48
  Speaker 18: you make the 911 call. And you know what? She
• 30:51
  Speaker 18: went from doctor to doctor. Did she pay attention to
• 30:54
  Speaker 18: any of them?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 30:56
  Speaker 18: Any story that she wanted, she may not have ever
• 31:00
  Speaker 18: told them the true story. Everybody's trying to support her.
• 31:04
  Speaker 18: How about her work? Nobody showed up. She's around doctors.
• 31:08
  Speaker 18: She's around babies.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:10
  Speaker 18: Do you think maybe that might have had something to
• 31:12
  Speaker 18: do with it? I don't understand why we're just not
• 31:16
  Speaker 18: saying she is the problem. That she's just mentally ill.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Too much common sense coming, Cheryl.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: How are you voting, Cheryl? How are you voting on this?
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: So life without parole, life with parole, how do you
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: see it?
• 31:34
  Speaker 18: I think when you hear that perhaps that other woman
• 31:36
  Speaker 18: had other children and went back and killed, I think
• 31:39
  Speaker 18: maybe life without parole.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Okay. Appreciate it. Thanks, Cheryl. Yeah, she is getting a
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: lot of sympathy. And I think it's because so many
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: of us know people with mental illness. And so it
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: complicates it. You could also say that nobody kills anybody
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: without being mentally ill, right? Right, yes. You've got to
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: be a bit crazy to kill anybody for any reason.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: And then to strangle?
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh. Come on.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a horrific story. It sure is. Horrific.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: All right, Rob in Michigan.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Welcome.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, guys.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Morning.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: I don't doubt she did it, but I don't know
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: if she's responsible for it. Two years ago, I was
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: diagnosed with prostate cancer. And instead of going for the surgery,
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: I opted for hormone therapy. And they give you a
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: medication that takes away all the testosterone. And that's deadly
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: in a man. You lose all your strength. I used
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: to be a martial artist and a weightlifter. I can
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: barely pick up a bag of groceries now. It changes
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: you to the point. where it has to kill the
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: testosterone because the cancer feeds on that. But in the meantime,
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: I've been an avid hunter my entire life, a bow hunter.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: I've hunted everything possible that at least is in the
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: state of Michigan. And right now I see animals and
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: I just want to play Bambi with them.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: So there's a woman inside you just trying to get out?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: It's already out.
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: I'm another Cheryl.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Oh, boy.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: It's already out.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Rob, how are you voting, then, on this jury?
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: I would say I would give her.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: You know, the thing is, with her medication change, but
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: she still has the mental.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Issues to begin with.
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: So I would say guilty. And without parole, I mean,
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: she's got to be maintained the rest of her life.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Because the mental conditions are there. So life with no parole. Exactly.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Hey, I've never heard of, like, so are
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: they giving you estrogen for your prostate? Is that what
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: they're giving you? You said it was hormone therapy.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, we lost him? What?
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: What?
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: We were still talking to him.
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: Oh, wow.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: So first we start the show a second and a
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: half late. And then you hang up on a caller
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: during the most critical portion of the call.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: We all wanted to know the answer. How about you
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: don't violate HIPAA law and asking him. He's the one
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: who brought it up. We're asking you about the therapy.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: You weren't asking about what he was taking. You just
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: can't ask questions.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of that.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard of that either. Hormones for it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I've done TRT, which is testosterone therapy, where they're adding
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: testosterone to my body.
• 34:35
  Speaker 16: Right.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: They don't do that when you have prostate cancer.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's prostate cancer, right? That's what he was fighting.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 16: Yes.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, because I've heard that, that it does feed
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: off the testosterone. And you don't want that? No, you don't.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want that.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: All right. Let's go to Marshall in Michigan.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Is it Marshall?
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: Hello?
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Hey, Pat.
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: Hey.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Hey.
• 34:58
  Speaker 21: No, it's Plato, Missouri.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Plato, Missouri. Oh, okay. I thought this was Eminem for
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: a second.
• 35:04
  Speaker 21: Before I start, 13 years ago, I met you in
• 35:07
  Speaker 21: Salt Lake City, you and Stu at the History Museum.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's fun.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Well, good to hear from you again after all these years.
• 35:18
  Speaker 21: We did not have a good time. We had a
• 35:20
  Speaker 21: great time, but we didn't have enough time.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Apparently not. I didn't see you there.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: All right. So what's on your mind? Did you hang
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: up on him, too? Is he gone now, too?
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: No, he's still on.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Go ahead, Marshall.
• 35:37
  Speaker 21: So I give her life without parole.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Life without parole.
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 35:40
  Speaker 21: I don't think there's execution in Massachusetts.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: No, there isn't. No, there is not.
• 35:45
  Speaker 21: Being a really nasty male that I can be, I say, well,
• 35:49
  Speaker 21: she tried to jump out the window. Let's finish the job.
• 35:51
  Speaker 21: You know, she's in her chair. Let's just hook it
• 35:52
  Speaker 21: up to AC.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: There you go. All right. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, that is.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: It's a... An understandable sentiment.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: It sure is.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: It sure is. It really is. I mean, it's just hard.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: You can't relate to a mother who would murder her
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: three children brutally like this.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: I mean.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: It's just inconceivable.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: I can remember back in a thousand years.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Ago when parents....
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: When parents would say, listen, I brought you into this world.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I'll take you out.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I'll take you out.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: You old Bill Cosby bit.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: And I never, I never, you never believed it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: No.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: You thought you were just going to get your butt kicked.
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: Is what they were talking about. And sometimes you did.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Not so much now.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're the dad, I mean. You can't
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: imagine if I'm going to go down to the... I
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: don't care what the circumstances are, that my wife's going
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: to kill the kids while I run out for this errand?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: It's hard.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: To even put that in your.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: There has to be some signs, right?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Although she did tell people there were signs and she
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: talked about it. She said she's had thoughts of hurting
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the children. So you know that going in and every time,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: wouldn't that little bit of doubt be in the back
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: of your head every time you leave the house? Did
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: she tell the dad that? Did he actually call for
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the mother to come over though? Her mom, while he
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: was gone, he wanted her to be there? I don't know.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm confusing it with another story.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But nobody else was there except her, right? Right.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: We actually do have yet another Cheryl.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: Awesome.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: This is the 43rd Cheryl of the morning. Spelled different.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Spelled different, yeah. In Nebraska. Cheryl, welcome.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Hi there.
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: Hi.
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: Hi.
• 37:51
  Speaker 14: I am Cheryl, but I'm Cheryl with an S, so
• 37:53
  Speaker 14: I am spelled different.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:55
  Speaker 14: And I am different because I love Jeffy, Pat, and Keith.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: That's very nice.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: That's very sweet.
• 38:03
  Speaker 14: I appreciate it. This is just crazy to me. And
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: I'm just going to tell you a bit of a
• 38:09
  Speaker 14: personal story. I'm adopted. My biological mother, when I met her,
• 38:15
  Speaker 14: told me she put me up for adoption because I
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: had the colic.
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: I cried.
• 38:19
  Speaker 17: I cried.
• 38:22
  Speaker 14: And she was had she kept me, she would have
• 38:25
  Speaker 14: killed me.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, geez.
• 38:27
  Speaker 15: I get that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 38:29
  Speaker 14: But the other part of that is, is I had
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: two children. They both had the colic. I neither killed
• 38:35
  Speaker 14: them or put them up for adoption.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: You found a different way to deal with it. That's
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: what a concept. Wow. Yes.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: And you know what?
• 38:47
  Speaker 14: My mom didn't have a husband. At that time, so
• 38:50
  Speaker 14: there wasn't a man around to blame.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And not want to help.
• 38:54
  Speaker 14: It must be his fault. Do you think people didn't
• 38:57
  Speaker 14: look into his role in this?
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Do I think they didn't look into it? No, of
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: course they did. Yeah, of course they did.
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: Of course they did.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:08
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: The police would have, he would have been the first suspect.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: The investigation. Absolutely.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: They always are.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: How are you voting on the jury?
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: How do you vote?
• 39:21
  Speaker 14: Oh, she needs to go and not ever get out
• 39:24
  Speaker 14: or get married or have a child.
• 39:26
  Speaker 10: Or a puppy or a goldfish.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Cheryl. I mean, that's so true. Yeah, he would
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: have been a prime suspect. And I did look.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Just to make sure, like, what would his motivation be if,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: you know, to go along with the conspiracy theory that
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: he was the murderer. And I just I looked to
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: see if he was having an affair. no evidence of
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: that whatsoever. Like he wanted to maybe start over. There's
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: no evidence of that. I'm sure that would have totally
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: been front and center at the trial.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: You bet.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Had that been the case. They used everything they possibly can.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And they're divorced now?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Is that right? Yes, they are divorced. He forgave her,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: but he divorced her.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: He didn't want to deal with the wheelchair situation, I think.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I don't blame him. That's what it was. I don't
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: blame him.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I don't blame him.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Doctors told Alba pregnancy was impossible. Her husband's diagnosis confirmed it.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: A child of their own just wasn't going to happen.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Then the impossible happened, as so often is the case.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: And Alba turned out to be. We might call it
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: a miracle, but to Alba, it didn't feel like one
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: at the time. That positive pregnancy test felt like a mistake,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: a cruel twist of science she didn't understand or necessarily want.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Nothing added up. She had accepted pregnancy wasn't possible. This
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: baby was never planned. Suddenly, she was confused, afraid, and overwhelmed.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: What should have felt like a miracle felt like a crisis. Well,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: then Alba walked into a pre-born network clinic. She was
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: welcomed with compassion and given a free ultrasound. And when
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: she saw her baby and heard that tiny heartbeat, everything
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: changed as it does for virtually all of us. Sure does.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, we understand how precious life is, especially when
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: we're talking about what we're talking about today. So today,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: baby Laura is healthy and thriving. A reminder that when
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: God is writing the story, impossible doesn't get the final word.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Right now, another mother needs that moment, and you can
• 41:29
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• 41:34
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• 41:34
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• 41:39
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• 41:43
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• 41:47
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• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Pat.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: This is Pat Gray Unleashed. Julie in Florida. Welcome to
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: the blaze.
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: Hi.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Hello, guys.
• 42:09
  Speaker 12: How you doing?
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Doing good.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Good, Julie.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: How are you?
• 42:12
  Speaker 12: Hey, hey. I predicted this. I'm 57 years old, and
• 42:16
  Speaker 12: I kind of predicted this same thing happening a while back.
• 42:21
  Speaker 12: You know how the Secret Service says a slippery slope
• 42:25
  Speaker 12: that they can't go up? It basically was a slippery
• 42:29
  Speaker 12: slope because with abortion, when they upped the amount to $ 30, 000,
• 42:37
  Speaker 12: the third trimester, even past birth, this is basically abortion.
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: And I think half of those crazy nutjob women wearing pink,
• 42:49
  Speaker 12: I can guarantee you they are in for of abortion.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Yes. I think you're right. It's a lack of respect
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: for human life. And I think that's being manifested here.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: So what would you vote if you're on the jury?
• 43:06
  Speaker 12: Well, you don't have John Corder, do you?
• 43:09
  Speaker 22: Oh, no.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: No, that's not one of the possibilities. No, they don't.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: This isn't Florida.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: So we're thinking life without parole.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay.
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: All right. Thanks, Julie. I mean, you can't help but
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: tie it in together because it is just the lack
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: of respect for human life.
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: And.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: If you celebrate your abortions and you celebrate the fact
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: that you can have an abortion for any reason, right
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: up to and including partial birth abortion, what's the difference, really?
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: I just saw an interview with Anne Hathaway, who was
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: on The View.
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: And she said that, you know, she looks at abortion
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: as mercy.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. That's what we're working with, Pat.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Now you've ruined Anne Hathaway for me, too.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: And by the way, let us not forget she's pregnant.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: And she's pregnant.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Let us not forget. She is currently pregnant.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: She was just saying that there are times when abortion
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: is mercy.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Have you seen that people are now so callous to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: human life that they're doing abortion announcements?
• 44:25
  Speaker 23: What?
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: They're printing up like a baby announcement.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Online, they're doing these little notices that's kind of a thing.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Having an abortion?
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Canceled.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: My pregnancy. That kind of stuff.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Invited to the party and whatever, and then they have
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: the details of it. Wouldn't that be fun? Isn't that fun?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: That'd be fun.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Well, it makes sense because it's the same crowd that
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: does this.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: It's the same crowd that celebrates abortion.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: It says, shout your abortion. Yep. So that makes sense.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Why not? It's led us right here. Yes. To this
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: hideous point. I mean... When people look back at this time,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: what are they going to think of our civilization? It's
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: just barbaric. It is.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: And I don't know that abortion actually caused, you know,
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: we were down the road of abortion.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I think it contributes. I don't know if it's a
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: direct cause and effect, but I think it's part of
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: the equation. Oh, yes.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: Well, we had What's-Her-Face in the 50s, and there was,
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: what was the board? Yeah, it was illegal then. We
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: were doing backyard alley abortions then. Mm-hmm.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: $ 10, 000 a year was the number they just threw out there.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Coat hangers, Pat.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Coat hangers.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: You know, we did one of the serials on that
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: particular issue.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, we did.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: And the guy who came up with that statistic said
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: he pulled it right out.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Of his rectum.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: He just made it up.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Rectum.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Rectum. Darn near killed him. But he just made it up.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: He made it up, and people started reporting it. And
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: so that was the thing in 1970s. They started reporting it,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: so I was like, yeah, okay, go with it.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Right, go with it.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Let's go with 10,000 back alley abortions a year. Nothing
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: could have been further from the truth. It rarely happened.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, it happened in my own family, so it
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: did happen. But my grandmother died from an infection she
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: got from self-administered abortion.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Really bad.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Really sad.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Some will say also that maybe a prayer out of
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: schools might be a thing that cost us.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Someone say that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, someone say that. I'm not saying that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: No, of course not. I'm not saying that. It'd be
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: too bold.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not that bold.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. You don't want to just, ouch.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Right, say it.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you earlier said that the internet could be
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: wrong and don't believe everything on the internet.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: That's just crazy talk right there. That's crazy talk. Because
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: everybody believes everything they see and hear on the internet, right?
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I know you do.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: I know you do.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I fell for it. We talked about it yesterday. I
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: really thought Ariana Grande was pregnant. And then Jeffy texted
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: me like, hey, stupid.
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: But I saw it on internet. I'm sorry.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: That would probably not be a great thing right now
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: with her weighing about 30 pounds.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: The baby's going to weigh more than her.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's possible.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That would not be good right now. All right.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Well, we still have a lot of people who want
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: to talk about this, so we will continue and get
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: into it coming up. 888-933-93 with your thoughts. Pat Gray Unleashed.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Pat Gray is here on the Blaze Radio Network. A
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: lot of people sounding off on this Lindsay Clancy thing.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: This is going to be day five of deliberations, by
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: the way. We got this tweet from DMXDM. I'm not
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: good with life in prison. Those three kids don't get
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: another chance to live. From UndercaffeinatedCoffeeLoverM. Does anyone cringe that
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Lindsay Clancy was working with mothers and newborns? The fact
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: a mentally disturbed woman had access to vulnerable women and
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: babies is just insane.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: We see that all day, every day in school.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we do.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: We see teachers. Yeah, we do.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Sarah the band, I'm tired of mental illness being an
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: excuse to murder someone. All right. We've got a hardcore audience, man.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: We sure do. You do not want any of our
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: people in your jury.
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: No.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: BYU mullet head unleashed. Women act more stupid than men.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: It's always women who are doing stupid protests. They're bad drivers.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: They're just problems in our lives. But when you find
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: a good one, they need to know how great they are.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: We need to expand on your idea to repeal the voting.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Repeal the 19th Amendment.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: We're doing this for your own good, ladies.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, we are. We know better.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: And for America. We know better.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: And for America. So let me ask you something.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: To repeal the 19th Amendment, does that happen before the
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: Save America Act or after?
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Well, since the Save America Act isn't happening, I'm going
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: to say before. Okay.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: Plus, I want to point out, how many days has
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: it been to the jury?
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Five.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Five.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: Because by the end of yesterday, the jurors had deliberated
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: for 23 hours.
• 49:55
  Speaker 16: Yes.
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: And that's in four days. So divide 23 by four.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: They're not really working their fingers to the bone.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, we learned they're getting paid 50 bucks
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: a day. Do your job.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: And they come back and say, we're deadlocked.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: We can't do it. We can't figure this out.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: And the judges get back in there. Shut up. The
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: judge can only do it a couple of times, though,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. And then you got to do the hung jury.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Which is what's going to happen. Yes.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: And we have the picture of inside the jury room.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Those hags are just yelling at our boys.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: And there they are.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: That's so funny.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: There they are. That's an actual artist rendering of the room.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of the room.
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: You're laughing out of the other side of your face
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: when you find out it was the men that wanted
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: to send her away.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: That's a nice painting back there, too. It's like an
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: artist rendering of an artist rendering.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: What if we're completely wrong? How shocked would you be
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: if it turns out the men are voting for acquittal?
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Wow. Okay.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. But if you did find
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: that out, it'd be shocking, wouldn't it?
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: It would be shocking.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I'd be shocked to the core. to the very core.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: But you can read about it in my new book.
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on. Oh, there's going to be
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: books about this.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Mike in Kentucky.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Mike, welcome. Hey, Pat.
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: How are you doing?
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: Hey, I have a legal analysis of this. In Massachusetts,
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: the legal test for non-criminal liability is whether or not
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: they had the capacity to to either appreciate the wrongfulness
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: of their actions or to conform to the law. Well,
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: I have yet to see the argument made that jumping
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: out of a window determines whether she thought she did
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: something that was right or wrong. Chasing children is evidence
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: of choosing right over wrong. Sending your husband away is
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: an obvious piece of evidence that would determine that she
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: knew the law and was trying to avoid it. I've
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: also yet to see the prosecution or the judge instruct
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: the jury that in a court of law, the standard
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: for evidence is a reasonable person standard. And no reasonable
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: person would not see those indicators to determine the mens
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: rea or mental state of her person. Why hasn't the
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: prosecution asked for her to testify, and why haven't they
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: made her refuse or plead the fifth? It's not a
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: coincidence that in Massachusetts they just signed a law saying
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: that you can abort babies right up until birth.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Good point.
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: And that they exempted a mother from infanticide or child
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: homicide while pregnant in order to allow abortion to occur
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: in the first place.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: So do you have your shingle hung in Kentucky?
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Are you a lawyer there?
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: I was a lawyer here. I quit back during COVID
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: because people were going nuts on us, and I got
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: tired of having crazy judges take my license away. I said, well, hey,
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: no problem. I'll just go do something else.
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: So what are you doing? Are you trying to find
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: Mitch McConnell?
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: What are you doing? I know where Mitch McConnell is.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Well, hold on a second. Mike, how are you voting
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: on the jury here?
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: She should be convicted. It should be life without parole
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: because there is no death penalty in that state.
• 53:26
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: And speaking of Mitch McConnell, actually, we do have a
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: picture of him. Someone in your state of Kentucky actually
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: spotted him.
• 53:33
  Speaker 16: Right.
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: There he is.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: In the wild. There it is.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: When you end up watching the show, you'll get the joke.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Mike.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. That's good.
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: It's the Bigfoot pose from many years ago.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: It's the Mitch McConnell pose.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Sorry, that's where he is.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with what you're referring to.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: Mitch has not walked like that in a long time.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, he hasn't walked at all, is my guess.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: In a long time, yeah. Casey in Florida. Hi, welcome.
• 54:06
  Speaker 17: Hi.
• 54:07
  Speaker 22: I think she's 100% guilty, and if they had the
• 54:14
  Speaker 22: death penalty, she would deserve it.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: So those babies, too, is her maker.
• 54:20
  Speaker 10: And she deserves to meet her maker also.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Yep. All right. Thank you, Casey. And she failed at
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: doing it, which is disappointing. So, yeah.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: And back in 2014, Timothy Ray Jones killed his five
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: kids after having a demonic voice tell him to do it.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: The jury took two hours, deliberated in South Carolina, I
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: think it was, and got the death penalty.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Sent him home.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, okay.
• 54:47
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Only took him two hours.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Huh. How many men were out protesting his conviction? All
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Weren't you there in 2014?
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: All of them.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I wasn't.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't know about the trial. I would have been
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: right there with a sign that said, set him free.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I stood there with my sign that said, she did it.
• 55:04
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: So has he been since executed? That's a great question.
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: 2014?
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Probably not. Yeah, it'll be 2056 before we can get
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: around to that. Brittany in Louisiana. Welcome.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Hi, guys.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Hi.
• 55:24
  Speaker 19: So I'm from Louisiana, and I say bring back old Sparky.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 55:29
  Speaker 19: Cry her without a wet sponge. Because I'm a mom
• 55:34
  Speaker 19: of five. I have two step-sons and three of my own.
• 55:39
  Speaker 19: At one point, the last two, I was dealing with
• 55:43
  Speaker 19: one being diagnosed with autism. Both my husband's, both his
• 55:49
  Speaker 19: parents died within a year. The step-sons came to live
• 55:53
  Speaker 19: with us full-time because their mom was in an abusive
• 55:57
  Speaker 19: relationship and addicted to drugs. You know, my mom was
• 56:01
  Speaker 19: dealing with her mother who's who is 94 and taking
• 56:04
  Speaker 19: care of her, who's about to turn 100 in December.
• 56:07
  Speaker 16: I.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Had no help.
• 56:11
  Speaker 19: I had no one. And never once did I think, okay,
• 56:15
  Speaker 19: my life would be a whole lot better if I
• 56:17
  Speaker 19: killed all these kids.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: You know, it's ridiculous.
• 56:21
  Speaker 19: And I call it suicidal empathy for this woman who
• 56:26
  Speaker 19: killed her kids instead of herself. You know, I would...
• 56:30
  Speaker 19: I would kill myself before I would ever do anything
• 56:33
  Speaker 19: to my kids. And even when I was in the
• 56:36
  Speaker 19: depths of despair and depressed and thinking that I should
• 56:39
  Speaker 19: off myself, my first thought was, okay, well, after that,
• 56:43
  Speaker 19: what happens to the kids? I never once thought, you know,
• 56:48
  Speaker 19: this was the better option. And so I have no
• 56:51
  Speaker 19: empathy for this woman. And the fact that she said
• 56:54
  Speaker 19: she did it and all these crazy women who have
• 56:57
  Speaker 19: been taught that it's not even a baby when it's
• 57:00
  Speaker 19: inside of you, I think are now to the point
• 57:03
  Speaker 19: where they don't even believe that that's a life after
• 57:06
  Speaker 19: they're born. And it's ridiculous.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: It is. It's horrific.
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: Just so you know, Brittany, and this isn't the Brittany
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: from Louisiana.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 57:17
  Speaker 8: No.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: No, it's spelled correctly.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I was just checking.
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: Louisiana does have the death penalty, just so you know.
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: They just don't have Sparky.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 57:26
  Speaker 12: Yes, and I miss it.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I want to point out that the general consensus, obviously,
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: from this audience is much more of a penalty than
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: Massachusetts would allow. But we have 11 individuals now who
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: have said lie for no parole. But it just takes
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: one in a jury room.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: It just takes one.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: And that's what we have. We have one not guilty.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: And that was our girl, Jessica.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: And so you can see.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: The kind of difficulty you might have in the jury
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: room right now.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: But we still say to our boys, stick to your guns.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, stick to your guns for sure.
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: It's true.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: It only takes one. Got to be unanimous. And that's
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: why by the end of the week, probably hung jury.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: I bet you.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're going for?
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: At the end of the week?
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: It might even happen before, because if they've already come
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: back to the judge whining that they couldn't come.
• 58:15
  Speaker 15: Yesterday.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: And they had to leave early yesterday. It was day four.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: By the time they get done today.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: It was the start of day four. They'd only done
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: three days and 16 hours. So come on now. Come on.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: You can't put a little more effort into it. But
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that whoever is holding out is holding out strongly,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 58:35
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: If it's the three men and they think, man, no,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: we're not letting her get away with this. And they're
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: not going to change.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: And our boy in South Carolina, Timothy Ray Jones, still
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: in death row.
• 58:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: The state Supreme Court upheld the sentence in 2023.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: They got to run through several appeals.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: They got to run through several appeals.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Sit on death row for another year or so.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: It only took two hours.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: The jury took two hours to deliberate.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: Boom.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Death penalty. Wow.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: That's quick.
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Very quickly.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: And you know that the longer it goes. on the
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: better it.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Looks for her that's for sure for Lindsay Clancy so
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: uh yeah something's not right there in that jury room
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: somebody isn't making any sense wonder who uh is it
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Mary in Michigan Mary welcome.
• 59:28
  Speaker 10: Hey guys how you doing good You are all over
• 59:31
  Speaker 10: the map and you've taken me there with you. I
• 59:34
  Speaker 10: started out. First off, I'm with you, Pat. I've been
• 59:37
  Speaker 10: saying for a few years now, women should not have
• 59:40
  Speaker 10: the right. 98% of them are just insane. And that
• 59:46
  Speaker 10: Jessica proved that I myself do not do social media.
• 59:52
  Speaker 10: I have no idea. what any of them said about
• 59:54
  Speaker 10: the husband or any of that stuff. And I did
• 59:57
  Speaker 10: see on the news, this woman's mother sat there in
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 10: the witness stand and said that her daughter told her
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 10: she thought about harming her children.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 10: Now, if I had said that to anybody, the first
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 10: thing they would have done was either remove me from
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 10: the home or remove the children to safety.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 10: I think she deserves life without parole, if not death.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 10: Which brings me to the death penalty. She'd be in
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 10: every state.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 10: I'm thinking about the age of that woman and all
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 10: these clowns out there in the pink shirts.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Yes. In fact, two members of the jury yesterday wore
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: the pink supporting tops that they, I don't know, the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: T-shirts or whatever. Two of them were wearing the support
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: for Lindsay thing. That's unbelievable. How are you not kicked
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: off the jury with that? Thanks, Mary.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: It's asinine.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: It is, kind of.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: And how did the jurors know to wear pink if
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: they were supposed to not?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if they didn't know about the media. Well, there's a.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Sea of, like Joe had up, a sea of pink shirts.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: I think I like that. I'm going to wear that too.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Because that's all they're doing. And they're doing that. They're
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: wearing the pink shirt and they're putting the little hearts
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: as she passes in the little van, the police van.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 8: What?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: And like, who's standing up for the kids? So far,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Via Getty is in the courtroom and Joe, find the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: picture with the little kids. And there's only one lady
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: that I've seen so far, and it's the picture of
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: the three little kids.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: Oh, wow.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: That's all I see.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Look how adorable they were.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: And they're wearing red with some form of like a cross.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: It breaks your heart. Oh, yeah. It is heartbreaking.
• 1:01:38
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  Speaker 2: By the way, just to update you on the other
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: things going on, the U.S. has hit Iran again. Retaliatory strikes.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: They hit a base in– one of our bases in Jordan,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: and so we're smashing them back.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Sending some Tomahawk missiles last night.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. And the president says we're going to hit
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: them hard.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I think we're done now, though.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just said– He did say, I'm not trying
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: to force Iran to the bargaining table. As ABC fake
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: news reported, I couldn't care less if at least said
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: it right. Thank you, President Trump. I couldn't care less
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: if they sign a worthless to them agreement.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: That's for sure.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: I'm glad he realizes that now. I like our position
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: now much better with almost total control of the Hormuz
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Strait and their economy totally collapsing. They're just playing out
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: the inevitable. And when the Iranian people, when are the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Iranian people going to rise up and fight?
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Good question. President DJT.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: So we have almost total control. Yeah.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: You caught that too, huh?
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Well, he's got to account for the fact that they'll
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: probably start firing at ships again.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: And then people will scream, I thought you said we
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: had total control.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: Almost.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Who would say something like that?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. Also, the judge who
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: tossed out the Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confession last week. Yes.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: We just found out he's a left-wing ideologue, of course.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Naturally, yeah. No.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: Surprise.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Surprise. Surprise.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: And Tyler Robinson gets to go on trial too, right?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Strangely, they found enough evidence on him to actually bring
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: him to trial. Has anybody told Candace that?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I was just going to ask you that, Pat. Did
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: you call Candace last night? I didn't call her last night, no.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Hey, did you see the latest?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: By the way, Candace is one of those that is
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: supporting Lindsey Clancy.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Is she really?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Does she think the husband did it? I don't know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: but I saw the clip.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Or does she think maybe Erica Kirk did it?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I think it's the Foreign French Legion and the Jews. Oh,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: the French Foreign Legion.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: The French Foreign Legion and the Jews did it. Those bastards, man.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, the French Foreign Legion and the Jews, man.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You get them together. Dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: You can throw out all the records when the French
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Foreign Legion get together with the Jews.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want none of that.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: You don't want none of that.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Look what happened last time they got together.
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  Speaker 2: Disaster.
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  Speaker 3: Disaster.
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  Speaker 1: Almost a year ago.
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  Speaker 23: Right.
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  Speaker 3: They killed somebody.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: So.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 10: Huh.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: There's that. You don't want none of that. I think
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: we mentioned that.
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  Speaker 3: We did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Has the jury seen that evidence? They need to.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: They need to.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Let this poor guy go.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Let him go home.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, with his furry friend.
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  Speaker 2: Had nothing to do with it. With his furry friend.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see the texts between them? Couldn't happen. Nobody
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: could talk like that.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 6: Nobody.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: No one talks like that. No one's ever spoken that way.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: So he's obviously innocent. Thank you. All right. Let's get
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: your thoughts, your continued thoughts on what's going on with
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Lindsay Clancy today. Kathy in North Carolina. Welcome.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 24: Hey, Pat, if I can't vote anymore, does that mean
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 24: I don't have to watch politics?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 10: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: So we're going to assume that you're watching it now?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 24: Well, I'm listening.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 9: I'm listening.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 14: I'm out here in beautiful Fort Myers, Florida, running.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 12: So listen, listen, I.
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  Speaker 24: Think it's like collectivism versus individuality. Like where's personal responsibility?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 24: Can I understand what she did? Yeah, she was overmedicated.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 14: She was crazy. Hormones make you nuts.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 24: If I don't watch myself, I was crying about a
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 24: laundry thing issue.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: The other day.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 24: You have to stop and go, what the.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: F * * *?
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  Speaker 24: I'm a comedian, so I don't have no filter. I
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 24: apologize about that. But listen, so yeah, I think it's
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 24: like all the little Connie's are like, yeah, no, we
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 24: can understand. Personal responsibility should kill the kids. And as
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 24: far as her husband's responsibility, yeah, it was completely screwed
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 24: up that she was alone. I wouldn't have that person
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 24: alone with my kids. But he has to live with that.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 24: He's got his own prison. And she needs to go
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 24: for life with no parole. And I mean, yeah, he'll
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 24: never be okay.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Life with no parole.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: Okay. And where can people see your comedy, Kathy?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Way back.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 24: Comedy, you can go on Facebook, Wayward Sons Comedy at
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 24: Fort Myers.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 20: Awesome.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: Excellent.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: We'll check that out. Thanks, Kathy.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Amber in Ohio.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Welcome.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 22: Hi, guys.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 20: So I was watching an interview Nancy Grace did with
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 20: Sean Hannity, and she said something about in the middle
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 20: of this woman killing her children, the husband called her.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: Her to answer a question.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: And then she couldn't answer right away.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 10: She went back to killing her kids.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: She called him back so that he wouldn't come home early.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was, she was thinking about what she
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: was doing and she knew what was wrong and she
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: knew her husband would stop her. And so, yeah, there's many,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: many signs.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: And Amber, thank you for bringing my girl up, Nancy Grace,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: because she's on this case.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: And over time yesterday, we talked about all of the
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: things that she had been Googling. ahead of time Oh, yeah.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Related to this. So it clearly shows that there was a.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Malice of forethought. For sure.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: It was planned. Yes. She was bound and determined to
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: get it done. And sadly, she did. Let's talk to
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Julie in Indiana. Hey, Julie.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 6: Hi. Hi. Hi.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 14: Well, I can't believe I made it through.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you did. It was Lindsay Clancy Day.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 15: Well, you were talking about things that our parents used
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 15: to say. And my mom had a different take altogether,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 15: and it would never fly now.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 10: But she said.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 14: I.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 15: Don't know where she got her information, either.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: She said.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 15: I see why animals eat their young.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. That's a great line.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Then you cleaned up your room, didn't you?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Sadly, Julie, I have heard that before.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Have you been injured, wounded ever since? Has that ruined
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: your life?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: Oh, therapy.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, therapy. Therapy, yeah. I can imagine. All right, Julie,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: how would you vote?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 15: You know, it's like the time to go with not
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 15: guilty by reason of insanity would have been pre-trial.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 17: She's on trial.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 15: Life without parole. Life without parole, period. Never let her
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 15: out again.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, Julie. Appreciate it. And then you think
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: back to that case in 1954 where they let her
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: out in five years. Did it again. Killed her children
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: at a bathtub, drowned all three of them. They were six, four,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: and 11 months old. She drowned all three. She got
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: out in five years. She went back to her husband.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: They started another family. And then when those kids were six, four,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: and nine months old... She drowned them all in a
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: bathtub again.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: I guess I don't have a full grasp on 1950s
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: America the way I thought I did.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I would never have thought that possible
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: back then, especially. But it was.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It happened.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: And the doctor said she was cured. They said, yeah,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: she's cured. Five years later, she's cured.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Well, this is when people are doing lobotomies, right?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Those were lobotomy days. I mean, ask the Kennedys about that.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: They lobotomized one of their daughters.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, is that why? Oh, yeah. Is that why RFK
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: can't talk? No.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: American lobotomy days. You don't get those.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Good times.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 8: Am I right?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Good times. Let's hope you don't get those back. I'm
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: afraid they may. They may sneak back on us.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 23: Yeah, they're coming back. All right, more coming up. This
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 23: is Pat Gray Unleashed.
• 1:11:58
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• 1:12:00
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• 1:12:00
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• 1:12:03
  Speaker 24: It looks like James in Florida has an answer to
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 24: my question.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: About Hormones being administered if you have prostate cancer. James, welcome.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Hi, Pat.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 17: One of your earlier callers said that he had prostate
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 17: cancer and he received hormone therapy. And you asked about
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 17: the hormone therapy.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 17: It's not an estrogen. Quick explanation. There's a gland at
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 17: the base of the skull called the pituitary that produces it.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 17: A lot of drugs are hormones that are in different
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 17: parts of the body and control production of other hormones.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 17: The hormone therapy, I don't know if I should say
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 17: the brand name, but the hormone therapy blocks the production
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 17: of the hormone in the pituitary so that the Testosterone
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 17: cannot be stimulated to be produced, and that in effect
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 17: decreases the, or does not accelerate the growth of the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 17: prostate cancer cells.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: So how are we voting?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 17: The answer.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: How are you voting if you're in the jury?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 17: I'm sorry?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: How are you voting if you're on the jury for,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: what's her name?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Life no parole? Life with parole?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 17: I have a different take from the ladies in pink.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 17: I think the woman is conniving. I think she wanted
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 17: to get rid of her kids.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 17: She planned everything out. She made it.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: So you're thinking life, no parole?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: Life, no parole.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Would that be accurate?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 17: Guilty of first degree.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: All right. Thanks, James. Appreciate it. Sounds like a life,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: no parole to me. I thought it was going.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: To say not guilty. I don't know how you guys
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: got that.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Mel in South Carolina. Welcome.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Good morning.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 8: Morning.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 14: I have two takes.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 22: So all the women who are blaming the husband. So
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 22: this woman collectively went eight years and eight months not
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 22: killing her children. So all these women who are blaming
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 22: the man, how was, how was my man supposed to
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 22: know that that was going to be the day after
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 22: eight years, eight months collectively raising her children, that, that,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 22: that she was going to kill them that day.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 12: Well, it makes no sense to blame the man.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: There's no way.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: Now it is possible that, you know, maybe he knew
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: that there was, should have been no time that she
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: was left alone with the children.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 22: But how can you do that? She had nannies.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: It's hard.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 22: But I, I do have a solution. Now, this will
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 22: be called the Trad Act of 2026. We can get
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 22: this passed by executive order because, you know, that Congress
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 22: can't pass a slow-moving.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 14: Car in a fast lane.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: That's for sure.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 22: So we will start with Lindsay Clancy, and we will
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 22: throw her in a wood chipper.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 17: Nice.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 22: And then every woman in a vagina hat and a
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 22: pink shirt, we'll just collectively start throwing them in the
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 22: wood chipper.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Hey, man.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: I think I love Mel in South Carolina.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: All right. The wood chipper solution.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: It sounds like life with no parole. Yes, it does.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: I've been looking at the death penalty information center for
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: all the states, and there is no wood chipper listed.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 8: Really?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: So I don't think that's going to happen.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: I like that trad act. Trad act. I like that.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Leanne in Ohio. Welcome to the blaze.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 9: Hi.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: Hi, guys.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 12: How are you today?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Good. Thanks for asking. You're really concerned or you just
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: make a small talk?
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 14: No, I really am concerned.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: Okay. I'm feeling that.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 14: I really want to know how all of you are doing,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 14: including Chris.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Including Chris.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 14: I love Chris.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Leanne. We're in Ohio. Can I come visit?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Is this Mother Cruz? This must be your mom. This
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: is not my mother.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: This is not my mother.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: All right, Leanne, what do you think?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 13: I was going to say, Keith, real quick.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 22: If you passed through Hocking Hills on your way through
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 22: Ohio this past summer, you came pretty close to.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 13: Where I live.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Should have stopped by for lunch or something.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: He should have.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 10: He should have.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 14: I would have been happy to have him.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Would you?
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: How are you voting if you're in this jury here
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: before you get to your points?
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 9: I am voting.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 22: Guilty, no pardon.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: No parole.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 10: No parole. Because we know.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: Baby killers are not well-liked in prison.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: And she will get the death penalty anyway.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: There'll be a stairway that that wheelchair accidentally rolls down.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking, too.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: It won't be friendly for her.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 14: No, there might be an escape attempt where she's pushed
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 14: off the wall.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 12: You know.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: I feel like that won't happen for a while, though,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: because they protect them pretty good now.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people like that. Appreciate it, Leanne. They put them
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: in solitary. Yeah, they protect them pretty good. Protect them
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: as a rule. Pat in Wisconsin, welcome.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 9: Well, I'm calling due to the fact that I vote
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 9: for no parole and life imprisonment.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 9: She's nuts. Anyways, if that was my husband coming up
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 9: and seeing me out on the lawn. He would have said,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 9: where's the kids and saw the kids. He would come
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 9: back out and made sure I was gone.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know what? I thought the same thing.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: Thank you for noticing that, Pat. It's incredible to me
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: that that didn't happen.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Pat. Well, he was pretty, I mean, he ran
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: immediately downstairs when she told him the kids were downstairs.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: Because he was worried. Yeah, then it was horrifying.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: But again, he was worried, but why didn't he come
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: back up?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Finish the job?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: Nope.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: I think his focus was elsewhere at that point.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, yes. Yeah.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Because it kicked. You know, when he got home and
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: she said it kicks her in the basement, that gut
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: feeling of like something was going to happen, it happened.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't have left. Terrible.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: Terrible.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Horrific.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: Unimaginable, really. It is.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Betty in South Carolina, welcome.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: Well, hi, guys.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: Hi.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 6: I feel like I'm walking in front of the firing
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: squad here, but.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 13: I still love you.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 6: How about that? We're still going to have coffee tomorrow morning.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: So here we go. All right. I'm going to share
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: my personal experience with mental illness. I know, and I'm
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: so sorry, but let's just say... this is not superficial
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: and I know it's, you know, hanger, you know, hanger
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: from the highest tree, but when someone has mental illness, okay,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 6: they have it with or without meds. The meds, Even though,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: you know, whatever, she wasn't taking them right or whatever,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: she probably felt guilty for taking them because a lot
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: of people don't want to take meds regardless.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: And if they're not working right, you don't feel right
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: about it, something feels off.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: I get all that.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Side effects. There's all kinds of reasons.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, they prescribed Prozac for me, and I took
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: one pill, and the next day I was drunk like
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: a freaking sailor. I couldn't even walk. So, yeah, I mean,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: everybody's different, but I want to share my experience. Okay. Okay,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: so my son marries this girl, and her family were,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: I mean, they were Looney Tunes, okay?
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 13: But I was.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 6: Going to be a great influence, you.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 16: Know what I mean?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: I was going to love this young girl and help
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: her to straighten out her life. So she gets pregnant.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: She has the baby. We're in the hospital and she
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 6: has a C-section. So I bring her to my house
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: and take off work for a week. And I noticed
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: that she did not want to feed the baby. You
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 6: know what I mean? She didn't want to hold the baby.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: And I'm thinking she's young. I'm just going to ease
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: her into it. So I told her I'll do all
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: the hard stuff. And, you know, and I'll bring him
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: in and you can just take little snippets with them
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: until you get used to it, you know.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: You know, your boobs are the size of balloons, your
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 6: milk feeding, your young girl. You've never experienced any of
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: this stuff. So long story short, I always allowed my
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 6: kids to feel super safe with me. My kids could
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 6: tell me anything. And most people can. Even though I
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: may have my own ideas in my head, I don't
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: judge them.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 14: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: I'll correct them.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: No, I don't know what you're saying, but go ahead.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 6: So anyways, she comes to me. We're sitting at the table,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: and it's about time for her to go home, getting
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: the baby ready. And she says, well, you're not going to.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 6: Then that, you're not going to make me take it
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: home with me. She called it an it, which bothered me.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 6: I'm like, what? I said, well, I have to go
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: to work on Monday. And she said, well, all I
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 6: want to do is put a pillow over its face.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: That's what she said to me.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 6: That's what she said to me.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 6: So at that very moment, I'm panicking. And I'm like,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: what in God's name am I supposed to do here?
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? So right away, I'm like,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: you're not taking this kid home. And I thought, okay,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 6: just give her some time. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: And she will come around, right? So I end up,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: she never, she didn't do the things that I wanted
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: her to do, like take parenting classes and all this stuff.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: So I ended up getting guardianship for a year. so
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 6: she can complete the stuff I felt she needed to do,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 6: like mental health, all that stuff. But she wasn't interested.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 6: But one day I'm sitting in the office. I got
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: the playpen, you know, behind me because I wasn't expecting
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: to have a baby. It was a spontaneous baby. So anyways,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: the phone rings. It's her. She says, Mom. She always
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: called me Mom. I'm going to take this pencil and
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 6: I'm going to shove it through Tiffany's neck. And then
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: I'm going to throw her off the second floor balcony.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 18: Jeez.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: Just that, right?
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 6: I'm like, so I work in a private Christian school.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: So I go over to the first grade teacher. I'm like,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: you got to watch this baby.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 15: I got to go.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 6: So I go, I pick her up.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 8: And.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, get in. She's like, where are
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: we going? I'm like, we have to go to the
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: psych ward.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 6: I'm like, you are going to hurt yourself. You know
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying? Or somebody else. And, you know, and
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 6: I can't deal with this. I don't know what to
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: do for you. And I can't leave you alone. So
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: I did, even though by the time I got there,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: she was feeling much better.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 18: You know what I mean?
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 6: She was feeling much better. Even before I told her
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 6: I was taking her to a psych ward, it was
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 6: like it snapped in. And it snapped out. So I'm
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 6: just saying is that if we're not compassionate enough, and
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: I'm a mother of five, I adopted two, and I
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: fostered five. So I'm a baby lover. If I had
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 6: a good man, I'd have a tribe.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 9: Trust me.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: But mental illness is real. Do you know what I'm saying?
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: It is real.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: And so you can snap in and out of things
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: with or without medication.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, we know that. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: So, Betty, where is this young woman today?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 6: I think that this young woman has to be in
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: a mental hospital.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: You're talking about your daughter-in-law? No, I'm saying... Oh, yeah,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know where she is. Okay, so she's not
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: in the family anymore, right?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: And so where is her daughter? Where's your granddaughter?
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, no. I adopted both of them.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 9: Oh, wow.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I raised them. I adopted him.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 6: And he called me a year later. That's a lot.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: And she says, Mom, Mom, I got a problem. I'm thinking, oh, God,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: what is this going to cost me? Because I'm always
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: paying their car bills, their late rent. You know what
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: I mean?
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: I am becoming a fan of you.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm pregnant. And I was just wondering if I
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: wanted you to have the first opportunity because there's people
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 6: in the newspaper, they'll pay my rent until I have
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: the baby. And I told her, I said, you know what?
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: I got a deal for you. I said, I'm going
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: to adopt this baby because it's I don't know who
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 6: the daddy is. I mean, you know what I mean?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 6: Because you don't know. They're out playing everything. So I said,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: I'm going to adopt this baby because it's connected to
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 6: my son.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 8: But.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 6: You're going to get your tubes tied.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: All right, Lindsay Clancy, what are you giving her in
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: the jury room?
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: She did, and she did. That was the deal.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, and she did.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: And she did, because I.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Thought there was no.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 6: That was the deal, because I was not going to
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 6: put another baby at chance later on in life.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Well, sure. Makes sense. All right, what are you giving
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Lindsay Clancy?
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: It does make sense.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: So not guilty by reason of insanity? Is that where
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: you'd go with this?
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: I think Lindsay needs to... And I'm not saying she
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: needs to ever be free.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 22: Uh-huh.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 6: Because babies died, you know what I mean?
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 10: And I love babies.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: And I could be very cold-hearted and say, anger, you
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 6: know what I mean? But because of my experience, because
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: I saw someone who... I never ever would have thought.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, she was a little freaky on my terms,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 6: but never thought she'd jump off the deep end like that.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: So not guilty, right, Betty?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: So not guilty.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. Yeah, not guilty.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't say not guilty. No, she didn't say that.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Don't put words in her mouth.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, trust me.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: There's no way I could put words in her mouth.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: So you're saying not guilty by reason of insanity?
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 8: Yes. Okay.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Betty.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: That is, I mean. It does show you how complex
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: this is.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know. I get that.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: And she did say that about hanging her. As far
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: as I know, no state hangs people anymore.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop bugging us down. Okay, we're bringing solutions to
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: the table. I mean, we used to burn witches.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: You know, we don't do that any longer either.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Our boy, Jake Lang, he's over there and had a
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: sign that said, we used to burn witches at the stake. Ah, ah, ah.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: I bet you that's going over well with the pink shirt.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, you know it is. Oh, they're loving it. Yeah,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: they're friends. They're friends. They're doing lunch right now.
• 1:27:25
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• 1:27:25
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• 1:27:27
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: Yes. Pat Gray continues.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm sorry.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 16: Yes.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: We do.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 23: Stuff.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: The UN has said that countries are legally obligated to
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: consider reparations. for the transatlantic slave trade and other measures
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: to address what it says is the enduring legacy of
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: racial discrimination. So we got that going for us. Well,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: they were talking about all the other countries. They weren't
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: specifically talking about the United States of America. They were
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: including the United States of America.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, then America needs to go ahead and charge
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: reparations for all the times we've saved the rest of
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: the world's ass.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: No kidding. Holy cow. Donald Trump, is that you? Plus,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: it's the same old argument. No one alive has ever
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: been a slave, and no one alive has ever owned slaves.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: So who pays? Who receives? How far back does it go?
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: Should Egypt pay reparations for the Jews they had enslaved
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: for 400 years? How far back does this go? Right.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: It's just silly. It's so irritating. And just another example
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: of why we need to get rid of Of the U.N. Yes.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: On this continent.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: No, no, go to Belgium or I don't care where.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, hold on a second.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: I don't care. All right.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: You have to decide. You got to pick one, Pat.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: Get the U.N. Get the U.S. out of the U.N.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: And the U.N.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: Out of the U.S. Or take away the right to
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: vote for women.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: You got to pick one.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to overturn the 19th Amendment.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, that has to happen. That has to happen.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: That has to happen.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: For the greater good.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: The 28th Amendment needs to address the 19th. Okay. So
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: that's what we'll do.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: So it's a tough choice. You've got to make the call.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got to make the call.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: If you can't have them both and you've got a
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: gun to your head, you could either say pull the
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: trigger or you say, no, it's got to be the
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: 19th Amendment. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry, women can't vote anymore. Can't
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: But you and don't think that we like you now.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: No, that doesn't mean that.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: Don't misinterpret that vote.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Please don't. Also, Tony Romo admitted to a drug and
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: alcohol problem. Yep, he did.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: Dang it.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: He knew that was the case. He had no contest.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: I actually didn't.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't sure. I mean, he didn't seem drunk
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: to me, really. He seemed like he was in control.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: I believe that he was, sure. And while they say
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: he didn't do well on his field test, he looked
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  Speaker 2: okay to me.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but let's just say he didn't have an issue, what.
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  Speaker 1: Have you.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it could be a larger reason here for this.
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  Speaker 3: It may be CBS related.
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  Speaker 1: I was just thinking about it.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe just like, look, if I throw myself at the
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  Speaker 3: mercy of the court and I could very well, hey, look,
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  Speaker 3: have some sympathy for me. Yes, I screwed up. But
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: here's the thing. Maybe they don't take his, how.
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  Speaker 2: Many million a year?
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  Speaker 3: 18 million a year. 18 million a year. That might
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: be part of this play, too. Who knows?
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: Might be.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: When does he get his change?
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  Speaker 8: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Does CBS have him back after this? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: He's already been replaced for week one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah. J.J.
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  Speaker 7: Watt.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't do anything wrong.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: Well, he drove drunk, if that's the case. So that
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: is wrong. He made the choice of driving under the influence.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he didn't admit guilt, right?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: He just said... And it's kind of understandable. He said that,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: you know, all the injuries from football caused him to
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: become addicted to painkillers, no doubt. And then he's been
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: trying to get off the painkillers, and he's used alcohol
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: to do that. Right.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy. What else are you supposed to do, Pat?
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  Speaker 2: What else are you supposed to do?
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: Don't give me that.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: It is a good question.
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  Speaker 2: What are you supposed to do? Go to rehab. Go
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: to rehab. And maybe don't use alcohol to get off drugs.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: And now I can't do either? Now you can't do either. Right.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: I'm done talking to you.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a.
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  Speaker 3: That's just unreasonable.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: That's very unreasonable.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, sorry. So CBS still owes Tony Romo $ 72 million
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: over the remaining four years of his 10-year deal.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but can they fire him for cause over this?
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to figure out here. CBS explores
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: a morals clause exit. Yeah, so these are the way
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: this could all play out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: J.J.
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  Speaker 3: Watt could keep the number one job.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: He's good. I like JJ.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: Romo returns in a reduced capacity.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: I like JJ Watt, too, but I really like Tony Romo.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: I like him. I think he's good.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, a little over the top at times.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: He'll be good announcing Dallas Cowboys football games for the
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: rest of his life.
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  Speaker 2: He's not going to make $ 18 million doing that.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: No, but he'll still make a good wage.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: And maybe he's made enough to where it doesn't matter now.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Now he doesn't really need a gig. He's got a
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: beautiful home. I think it's in Preston Ridge. So it's
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: not bad. That's a decent area. Does he still keep that?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: Not that bad.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: Does he keep that?
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll see how well he's saved over
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: the years. Those things aren't cheap to keep up.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: I know. So I don't know.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, Jose doesn't show up for nothing to trim
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: the hedges.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. So he has to complete an
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: alcohol assessment program. And get this. They find him. $ 784.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: Can he afford that? No way he can swing that
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: right now. He's not making any money. He's not getting
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: the $ 18 million anymore. He can't swing that.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: He can't do that.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: He's got to pay for the thing, too, right? The
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: thing that the monitor is on his car. Is it
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: any car that he owns?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: Anything he drives or he could drive. Those things are
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: real crazy.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: Pain too they never work right it's ridiculous how many
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: of you had uh i'm just saying that those things
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: are frustrating so i will say that maybe perhaps tony
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: should not have any cars in his name and we
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: just cancel that out right.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Can listerine make it so it won't start because it's
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: got yeah it's got alcohol stories about people getting pulled
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: over like Holy cow.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: And there's also some frustrating things with the state and
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: if they can ask you to test at any time.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, because you have it.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: And if you don't test and then it pulls over
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: and they have access to your vehicle so they can
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: just shut your vehicle off on the highway.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: It's really frustrating.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: Before we close out the Lindsey Clancy, Pat Gray.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: Kind of overwhelming.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 18 callers say life with no parole, not guilty
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: by reason of insanity. One vote. And not guilty, one vote.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: So out of the 20, 18 of the 20.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: But she's not being convicted under that particular.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 8: Scenario.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: We have one out, right?
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have one out. It's got to be unanimous.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: Got to go to the judge and say we can't
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: come to a decision. So send her home. Let her
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: go home.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: Listen, we've had a lot of suicide talk on this show, too, today, too.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: So if you're feeling that you need help, call 988-THE-LIFELINE
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: and get help today.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: 988 is the number?
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: That's the suicide lifeline, yes.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 8: All right. All right.
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  Speaker 2: We've got Overtime coming up later on. See you back
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  Speaker 2: here tomorrow. This is Pat Gray Unleashed.