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RHOBH Finale with Your Bish Therapist and Emily Dorezas · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling. Hey, guys, you're
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gonna love it, love it. Today's show is going to be off the
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hook. I got a couple of guests here joining me for the Beverly Hills
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finale recap. Well as always Emily, Teresa's Hi, EM's hello, Hello,
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Hello, one and all, Yes, and joining us a special guest,
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a dear friend, an incredible podcaster. It's Melissa Reich from the Your
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bish Therapist podcast. What Melissa, Melissa's in the house. Yes, babes,
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welcome Melissa. Actually, I should say Melissa is back because she was
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actually on the Monday episode with me, so we did Potomac. But she
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is back today to really break down the finale with us. A lot to
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talk about, and also right on the heels of launching her season two of
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Your Bish Therapist. Season one was a smash hit. She couldn't help but
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extend her stage, just like Arianna on Broadway. And so season two is
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unfolding as we speak, and she has incredible podcasts already dropping in season two.
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Melissa, tell us what you have in store, what's out now,
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and what's coming at Okay, so, so far I have two episodes of
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Paris and Love. One focuses the first one people really loved because I talk
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a lot about the Hilton family dynamic. I quaked in my boots, says
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I did it, but I did it anyway, and people really seem to
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enjoy that. The second parison Love, I talk about those hell like teenage
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hell camps, the wilderness camps, because I actually read Paris's book and so
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much of what she went through was featured. And so, you know,
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I have a platform, and I thought, well, why not give my
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voice to Paris's voice? And uh so we covered that, and then I
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just released an episode about Gypsy Rose Blanchard, which, oh yeah, wild.
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Halfway through that one, oh my gosh, that is a wild one
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wild. And then coming up, so this week I'm going to cover Housewife
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in the Hustler part two with Airic meeting with the victims, because I've gotten
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a lot of d ms about her stoic demeanor, shall we say, her
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performance? Yeah, yeah, well you can say that. I try to
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be you know, keep it keep it medium, but absolutely keep it angle.
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Hey, I'm Melissa Reich, and I'm keeping it medium because you know
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what's funny I was talking with some of my therapist friends the other day and
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they were like, man, they know Melissa the bish professional, but the
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real Melissa has a spicy inner child. And I'm like, I love a
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therapist coffee clatch, Like, how can I get up in there? Can
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you just put me on FaceTime and just put me in the corner and brought
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me up happy too? It's great? It really is great. So I'm
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going to cover a Housewife in The Hustler part two, and then I'm probably
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gonna cover some of the finale as well, just to do my signature deep
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dives, and you know, there was lots of fodder, so I'm going
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to do that, and then coming up, I'm going to have you the
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beautiful Amy phillips On. I'm going to have the wonderful Ryan Bailey. I
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am going to be having a woman named Mandy Slutsker who is a lobbyist in
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DC and he has a lot of information about how to help what we can
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do during twenty twenty part two, the election year from hell. So we're
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gonna we're gonna talk to you. Well, I know what to do.
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Just watch Housewives. It always works for me. Sure, Yeah, isn't
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that what we all are doing. Yeah, isn't that what we're telling the
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world isn't on fire while we're watching Bravo and just being like this is fine,
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Yeah, this is good, good stuff. Are you gonna cover Natalia
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Grace? Yes? I'm sorry, thank you for mentioning that I am gonna
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cover Natalia Grace. I think I blocked it out mentally because I have twenty
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pages of notes and it's so intense and so heavy, and I had such
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a strong reaction to Michael Barnett that I have to I have to manage myself
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before I go ahead and do that podcast, so I don't get myself in
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trouble because my word did I have a immediate a strong reaction, like you
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have a crush on him? Oh, how dare? How dare? I
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just wanted to make sure. I just wanted to clarify. You know,
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when you keep it, get to keep it medium. So you want to
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make sure you know where you're at, you know. Okay, let me
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be clear. I feel allergic to that man. Okay, I have an
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allergy. Okay, literal allergy to Michael Barnett, Like you need an EpiPen,
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Like I need benadryl. I need ivy drips, I need a hospital
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bed. I can't with that, man, I can't wait to hear it
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because I that Amy and I watched Natalia Grace and we did some episodes on
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it, and I would I feel like the documentary did not They did.
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They were kind of as neutral as could be with him, and I so
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wanted a real professional to be like, Okay, you're not alone in America.
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This guy is banana town. Well allow me to be that professional,
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because thank you is histrionic with a capital age, and I really do.
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I have this thing where I just have intuition about people, and the second
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he was on my screen, I'm not joking, I had a physical reaction.
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So I will definitely be talking all about that. Yes, yes,
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yeah, it's so funny that you failed to mention that, because it just
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goes to show when you explained it, it makes so much sense why that
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wouldn't be in the front of your mind. So let's give Melissa some time
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to let's give the bitch some time to like sit with that. But season
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one is up now, and you have so many you know, you just
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got started. So this whole podcast format, this whole platform is new to
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you, and so as you move through it, it's been so interesting to
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see how you've been growing and expanding and just really being able to nail down
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not only your format but your voice, and it's just absolutely intriguing. Also,
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you have an Instagram account, and so when you're not doing podcasts,
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you do you're very active on Instagram your bish therapist, in which you do
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put up you know, clinical interpretations of pop culture and sometimes specifically what happened
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last night on you know, Beverly Hills, or what happened on Potomac or
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isolated incidences incidents. I always get that word wrong. You know what I'm
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saying is it's that incidences. See, that's that's the Charisa me as you
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know what I mean, Like, that's where I go rogue as I'm staring
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at a picture of Teresa on my phone because it's in the news, so
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it just it seeps into my blood. Okay. So anyway, you really
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hone in on even specifics I'm trying to say, and you're so if you
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are not following your bish therapist on on Instagram, do that as well and
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listen to Season one has a ton of great stuff. Can you just give
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me a man with broadstroke, because oh yes, I would love to.
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Okay, Emily, let Emily take it, because she's always talking about it.
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I quote you constantly. So but but I think the big most eye
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opening episode, which I can't I've recommended a thousand times, is your Mary
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Cosby episode, because if you heard, like the Bravo Docket episode, this
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is uh, this takes it all in this like the whole psychological angle of
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it as well, and man, that is a ticking time bomb. I
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don't know how Bravo is still like this is a great idea to have Mary
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Cosby. I also heard that she just murmurs that she's actually coming back full
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time. I've read that. Yeah, And to be honest, thank you
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Emily for that shout out. I appreciate it because she's someone who I also
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have to be careful about because I'm so passionately opposed to everything about her and
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for me, the thought of Bravo bringing her back. To be honest,
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I will not watch Salt Lake City. I think it is an absolutely poor
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choice to keep featuring. Also, Kim Zolsiak, by the way, I
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don't know if you saw that she's officially coming back to Atlanta. What I
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say that, Wow, I've seen it sources well by way Hello Drama is
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usually a pretty good source. I follow them on Instagram and she said it's
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confirmed that Kim's coming back. Now listen. I don't know if that's yeah.
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I'm not sure that's not confirmed. I don't I don't know if that's
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true. But uh, okay, yeah, okay. My point is I
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think that there's a lot of amazing women. So why why you know,
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That's what I'm going to say. Just why can we bring volume up,
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volume up different women who are fabulous and not taking advantage of people or not
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so sick that they're clearly struggling. Like, let's let's let's do something different.
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Bravo. If anyone's listening, Actually, you had a great episode on
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Kim Andy, and that was really an eye opener. And the thing that
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I really love about you and your angle on things is that you are incredibly
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supportive and empathetic, and so when you listen to your opinions, you're not
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taking these people down. You are in many in many respects. You know,
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for example, the Paris or the Kim episode. You know, a
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lot of the times you will be like just their absolute cheerleader and you applaud
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them for what they've been through and you help. It's wild to listen because
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it's like I listen and I'm going, huh, what does that say about
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me? Or you know, it starts to your mind starts to go in
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that direction. But you really are an incredibly supportive person when you talk about
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these things, and I really love that because you're, like you said,
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you have to be careful about things, and you are careful and I love
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that. I love that when you dissect these things. It's it's not necessarily
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with kid gloves, but it is with a lot of care, you know,
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and uh and truth yes, yes, yeah, well thank you.
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I appreciate that because I do get a lot of feedback I'm not so great
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and so you know, for me, what my podcast is about, it's
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not trying to be snarky or unkind, although I do have a spicy your
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child, and of course I'm human and I have a opinions. We are
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all just humans and we are all suffering and through things that you know,
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for me, it's I don't want to take him down. Do I like
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her personally? No, but I think she's a very sick person, and
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so I have empathy right for you know, for the underlying issues that create
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the behavior. So that is something that I appreciate about myself. And you
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know, sometimes people give me flack for it because they think it's just condoning
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the behavior, but you know, understanding the why and you know, appealing
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to someone's humanity isn't condoning it. It's just an empathetic approach. So I
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appreciate that that feedback. Yeah, absolutely, well, get up into uh
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the uh into your podcast areas. But that was weird your podcast cavities oop.
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I think there's some podcasts here. Get up in there. Don't be
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afraid of it, you know what I mean? A mirror out, this
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is the Potomac Trip. And draw your podcast. Draw, you know,
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put some dildos in a pinata and like see what you got, you know,
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see what shakes out? And also star Pinata Star and draw your pa
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podcast. There you go. Well, I'm so glad you're here, ladies.
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We got to get into some dish serving dish all right. Well,
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since we're talking about Beverly Hills, I don't know if any of you saw
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the other day the Beverly Hills. Looks from the reunion are out and obviously
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we saw a teaser from it, but boy, these ladies look really fabulous.
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It looks like kind of some jewel tones. You know, we've got
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some gold and some jewel tones. And I would say, you know the
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Kathy Hilton because we found out she's showing up. Obviously, Kathy Hilton is
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classic Kathy, with kind of a sham pain look and a handbag, always
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a handbag. On her Christmas party, she rewore an outfit, which I
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say, thank you, Kathy, Wow, Emily you wow. I did
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not my eagle eye did not catch that at somebody else did oh. I
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was okay, wow. I was like, dang, girl, that's that's
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amazing. We have some royal blues and some Hunter greens. And now what
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did you guys think of Jurite? What what's so funny? I guess I
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knew them and I had, okay, this is going to be. I
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like to be a champion of women, and I certainly never insult appearance,
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but I my brain sometimes does these things that I can't control. And when
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I saw Durit, I immediately thought of Catherine O'Hara's character in Beetlejuice Delia Dat's
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Oh my gosh, you were so right right that the hair like pasted to
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the head is so dearly adds yeah that I just can't take that. Seriously,
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all I see is Catherine O'Hara. Oh, it so deeply dumb.
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I can't get over it. It's gonna drive me crazy during the reunion because
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somebody be like, you have a piece of hair. I mean, look
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at me. I'm trying to deal with my bangs right now. I should
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talk anyway. I love a risk, and it doesn't that means it doesn't
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always work. Sure. The photo of her, I was like, oh,
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like, it's very like Whitney Houston album circa nineteen eighty six. But
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the uh but then on a couch it looks ridiculous. Well yeah, because
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you've got that side view and it just yeah, somebody says she's dressed like
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an esophagus. I wish I remember that. And you know what, the
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side view it kind of makes her look like et Oh my god, she's
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so beautiful. And I agreed a risk is beautiful, but whoever suggested that
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did her so dirty? Because you did? And sitting down chic I had
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gotten out of the shower and I grabbed a red towel and I put it
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over my head. My hair was a mess, but I had this one
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piece of hair that was sticking out of the towel and I said, oh
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my god, Piquet, look at this. This is the look and he
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said, bipe bite. That's it. This dress is called the hair.
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And that's when I decided to wear it. Yeah, it's you know,
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it's problematic. I think it's problematic. It is it is, and the
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fact that it's such a bright color, like you can't not look at it.
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Yeah, but I don't know if the other Yeah, well it was
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a risk. Okay, and here we are moving on on watch What Happens
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Live last night. Kyle was the guest, and a couple things about that
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show is that Morgan was with her at the show. Yeah, I saw
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the the step and carpet, yes, stepan repeat, thank you afterwards or
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before? And uh they Morgan had her hand on Kyle's like it was below
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the waist little pat on the butt? Really yes, yeah, I saw
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that this morning. Okay, what Yeah, I never saw that. I
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want to see the pat on the butt? Where did you see it?
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I don't have Agram where you well, I mean, it's got to be
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everyone. I've already deleted Instagram again. Okay, don't look, we don't
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have that kind of time, get right, but just you'll see it.
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It's going to be oh yeah, okay, are you seeing it? No?
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But another piece of news popped up. This makes so much sense.
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Page six is reporting and this is breaking twenty minutes ago that Wendy Williams has
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been diagnosed with front fronto temporal dementia as well as aphasia. Oh that makes
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so much sense. Oh God, bless her. Oh my god, I'm
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so upsetting, Melissa. Do you know exactly what that is? So here's
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what I'm yes and no, what I'm wandering is I was reading about there
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are brain issues that can happen from chronic alcohol use, and there's something called
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Wernicky Karsakov syndrome, which involves mix the IT mimics kind of like a dementia,
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and you see it in folks who have really struggled with alcohol for a
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long time. Their brains get very impacted. So I'm not suggesting that this
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is due to alcohol, because from from what I'm hearing, if this was
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diagnosed properly. It doesn't sound like this the syndrome that I'm talking about,
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but it does share a lot of similarity. So like the you said prefrontal
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cortex, correct, So the pre fronto temporal dementia okay, so well prefrontal
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cortex is control impulses, and so you know, it would explains a lot
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based on you know, the concerns that we've had and the behaviors that we've
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seen. But I yeah, I would be happy to do a deep dive
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into that to look into that form. Wow, that is just it just
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it makes so much sense. And uh yeah, our love always goes out
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to Williams on that there is some sort of like show coming out about her
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as well, the documentary. Yeah, that'll be interesting. Well there you
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go, Melissa. I will definitely be covering that. Yeah yeah, so
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all right, Well, in other news, Mauricio, you know he's on
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his show Buying Beverly Hills. Well apparently you know, this just came out
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yesterday that there's a big scene on Buying Beverly Hills when he talks to his
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daughters about he and Kyle. What did you guys think about that? Kyle
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spoke on that on Watch What Happens. That was the other thing that she
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had mentioned that she was also a little surprised by that, and she said
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that that was not exactly her understanding of the situation as he explained it about
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seeing other people, et cetera at the time they recorded it, and she
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was also you could tell it caught her off guard because she's been I think
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that they had an understanding of how they were going to present this publicly and
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with their kids, and it seemed like my read on it was that maybe
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Mauricio took a step outside of that boundary level and it was a big Kyle
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was surprised, and she didn't shy away from that. On Watch What Happens,
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I agree with that you could tell she was completely taken back, and
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it seems like Mauriciu is playing from his own book. And I think,
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you know, when we talk about Beverly Hills, what happened on Watch What
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Happens Live and her being taken aback, I think is some of the confusion
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that we saw when we when we saw them sitting down as a family,
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they are not on the same page at all, and I think she is
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trying to do what they agreed upon and he is not, which is very
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indicative of what's Yeah, I'm trying to yeah, he love like hard nodding
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at her like this is what we are saying, right right, never agree
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to this? Right? Wow? Okay, all right quickly the Miami trailer,
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oh dear hold on so uh anyway, and other news, Teresa is
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and was on actually a show so you can catch her. It aired last
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night. She was on Fox's Celebrity Name That Tune on on Fox and Hulu.
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So check her out. Yeah that twinkle twinkle at us? Stop say
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this is yeah, I will check that out. I would love to see
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Teresa do that. I also need to see that. I cannot imagine a
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world where she is successful. I can't because we don't want her to be
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like that, right, we don't want her to be we want yeah.
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Yeah, all right, guys, Well let's get into it. We're going
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All right, So let's get into Beverly Hills. Oh but duh,
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so I really you know, typically we don't just jump to things, but
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I want to jump past everything and then we'll circle back later to our white
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party. Don't worry about it. But I would like to talk about the
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family meeting. Okay, I want to talk about the one week later.
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We know we wrapped up the show and then one week later Kyle and can
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I can I real quick? Just a note to the editors, Bravo,
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your time stone was off and it really screwed me up because it said July
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twenty third was like the screen, and then all the tweets it actually happened
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July third, and all the tweets and articles that came up, and the
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People magazine retraction that all came July third and fourth, and when they flashed
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up, that was the timestamp and all the tweets and articles. So I
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just a note editors put the July twenty third after all that once we get
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into the meeting, so that we know this is like twenty days. They've
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been dealing with this for twenty days now because they went through the trouble of
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telling us that. But it was so convoluted, and it was actually helpful
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to know they've been sitting and working through this for twenty days since the instead
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of like it's it's July twenty third. This just came out four minutes ago.
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Everybody said, you know what I mean, it was just a little
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convoluted. Yeah, anyway, No, it's important. I mean, I
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mean we're look, we were living in we're living in face reality sixteen world
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now where they're screenshots, timeline everything. So but Emily, to your point,
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it doesn't form our perspective, right, if we're watching this family twenty
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days after this happened, I think that is a really important piece when we're
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you know, for me at least, when we're when I'm observing their behaviors.
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Right. So, yeah, good point. And it does make sense
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in the narrative when they're talking about it, because they're talking about it like
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it has been a while, you know, not like it had just happened.
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To know that this family meeting didn't just happen immediately thereafter, Like they've
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had discussions, they've discussed, they've talked about it, I think, I
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mean on some level. Right, So we are one week well, okay,
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so it says one week later, but Kyle and Mo they they're in
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the kitchen and and he's like, you know, I have to go to
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Panama for the agency. And then he's well, he says, I'm glad.
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It's just it's you out there having an affair, you know, for
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once, or she says, well for once, it's me, and his
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face is just like a goop to say that, right, right, we
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didn't agree on that? Or did we? He's like his face is always
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like did we agree on that? I don't remember that and Kyle and her
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confessional. You know, we begin this journey with this very emotional confessional from
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here on until the end, where she's saying, I feel like my kids
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have lived a fairy tale. But now after the article, the rug has
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been pulled out from under them. And by the articles, they mean the
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People article about them separating, and we know that she also put up her
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statement saying there's been no discussion about divorce, so she had made that clear.
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And now we get into the family meeting, so we've got all the
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girls there, and so I thought that Kyle handled this beautifully, not only
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with her kids but with them being on camera, which I can't even imagine.
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But she tried to keep it light but also give it the weight that
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it deserved and tried her hard is to not freak her kids out and show
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all of her pain in front of them, but by saying, you know,
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after everything that's been going on, I wanted to see if you guys
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had any questions, and Mauricio said, we haven't told you everything because we're
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trying to protect you. Kyle said that we haven't talked about divorce, just
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so you know that, and Sophia says well, all those times that there
29:48
were rumors out there that just came out of nowhere, that was one thing.
29:52
But this time, you know, we already know that you're not having
29:56
a good year, so this is hitting different. And now everyone's reaching out,
30:00
so it's a bigger deal. And now the girls are asking, well,
30:03
what do you do with your relationship? What's your plan? And Kyle
30:07
said, since we're busy, we're working, we're going to be taking this
30:11
time while we're working through our stuff. And then both girls say, two
30:15
of them say, so you're taking more space. And this was interesting because
30:19
you're realizing this is the first time they've talked about this part. And Kyle
30:23
says, I don't want to leave. I don't want dad to leave,
30:26
but we're going to do this under the same roof and we're going to just
30:30
keep working on It's like, no're not in that moment. I couldn't.
30:37
I'm like Jesus, yeah, Joseph. And then when Porscha cried, that
30:45
was so sad and it was heartbreaking. And then Kyle quotes Pink, which
30:49
I thought was incredibly smart. I mean, we're not broken, we're just
30:52
bent, and that we're a strong family and we always will be it.
31:00
This was heartbreaking because you really saw the pain that the girls have to undergo.
31:03
And then, of course Kyle said, at the very end, I've
31:08
come to realize that there's a big chance that we're not going to end up
31:11
together. And the producer says, what is the issue that the two of
31:15
you can't let go of? She says, there were things that happened that
31:21
made me lose my trust and I wasn't able to recover from. We have
31:26
a montage of Kyle and Mauricio forever, and then we get you know,
31:30
the end. I cried me too, when I cried with the girls with
31:36
Porsche was crying. I was really devastated. I mean, for me,
31:41
it was the grief was palpable. And what was so sad is you know,
31:48
you've heard all this rhetoric right up until this point about how this is
31:52
a stunt, and in the moment I just was so angry, like,
31:56
who thinks that this woman would do this to her children for a stunt?
32:04
Right? It was so clearly an issue with her and Mo she is being
32:08
honest about it, but you know what the problem is, how on earth
32:14
can they be clear about what's going on if they don't understand it themselves.
32:19
So I think that there has been this hard line towards Kyle because people just
32:23
love to hate her and they, you know, will take any opportunity.
32:28
But what they're missing in this is this. This is what family grief looks
32:32
like when a family is disintegrating, and it's awful. And I've had,
32:37
you know, I've led therapy sessions that you know, this feeling. It's
32:42
intense and it's very very sad, and to me, it is one hundred
32:46
percent authentic. And I cried a ton. It was just very awful.
32:52
How did you think that Kyle handled a situation with the girls? I truly
32:59
think she handled it excellently because one of the things I wrote down that just
33:05
made me so angry. You know, Porscha starts crying because you know,
33:08
of course Porsia's the youngest, right, She's still a child. I mean,
33:13
she's still young. And Mauricio looks at her and he's like, oh,
33:15
Porsche, what's wrong. And I'm like, what's wrong? Yeah,
33:20
what do you mean? What's wrong? That was so wild? Mauricio,
33:24
Planet Earth is calling you, like the agency has stolen your brain. Come
33:30
back to Planet earth and stop asking your child what's wrong. She is devastated
33:37
that the two of you are you know, you were her role models,
33:40
and so I think Kyle handled it excellently. I did think the pink quote
33:45
was I was like, where have I heard that before? So you just
33:49
put a name to it, because I was like, that's an interesting way
33:52
to put it. It's great, it's a great way to put it.
33:54
And that's just a banger of a song. Oh. Absolutely, the thing
34:00
I think Kyle did the best, and this is just my intuition. She
34:05
was when she was comforting Portia, she whispered something in her ear that to
34:08
me, it was like it was it was kind of like, Okay,
34:13
we're filming and this sucks, but you're doing great and we're getting through this,
34:16
right. So it just reminded me that we are filming these very vulnerable,
34:24
grief filled, intense moments, and these are people that are processing on
34:29
and off camera. So I think that I appreciate Kyle's willingness to always attend
34:36
to her daughter's emotional needs, and in that moment, we saw in real
34:40
time how Mauricio is unable to do that, and that is one of the
34:45
key factors in my opinion, that is leading to this divorce. Yeah,
34:52
and there may have been infidelity, but I think like the steps prior to
34:58
infidelity are what you're saying, Melissa, Yeah, because right she was denying
35:04
or I don't know if she was necessarily denying that, but she did say,
35:07
this has nothing to do with anybody else. It's between us, and
35:14
so that seemed to kind of contradict what she said at the end about their
35:19
you know, there were things that happened and I can't get over it,
35:23
you know, well, can I be honest? My interpretation of that is
35:30
that, you know, when Loreen passed away. I think that what I
35:37
get this is just my therapist intuition, is she feels emotionally abandoned by Mauricio.
35:44
And whether or not he cheated, you know, I can't speak to
35:49
that. I don't know she's insisting that he didn't, but to me,
35:52
I want to go out and a lemon, say, even if he cheated,
35:54
I think the emotional abandonment is what lost her and pushed her to this
36:00
point more than anything. Yeah, my opinion, that's a really good point
36:06
because it does seem like even if there was infidelity on his end or her
36:10
end. That's not what is the ultimate breaking point for either of them,
36:15
and they would be able to come back from that or what have you.
36:20
But that, yes, where she needs him the most. I think too,
36:25
she's got to protect their girls, and so if there was infidelity,
36:30
keep in mind, and especially if it was like a inner circle in fidelity,
36:35
which I'm not saying that's what it is, but if it got to
36:37
the point where there was some really boundary crossing infidelity, we were on the
36:42
heels of scandabal and I don't think Kyle wanted to make their dad Tom sand
36:47
of all, you know what I mean, and so not knowing how that's
36:51
going to hit the press, I think she was also maybe protecting Mauricio if
36:55
there was a larger scandal involved. And I've never faulted her for that.
37:02
I don't fault Kyle for any of it, because even just watching that scene
37:07
where I'm like, I think that maybe where I fault I'm like, man,
37:10
maybe you didn't have to film this scene with the kids because Porsia is
37:15
like fifteen, sixteen years old, and maybe the older girls. Yes,
37:20
But I feel like for Porsche, she's had a lot of loss in her
37:24
life. And I mean that in the sense that she's the one that stays
37:28
home while everybody leaves, grows up and moves out, and so that attachment
37:32
with your older sibling when they're moving out, and she's done it several times
37:36
now, and we see like when those when she's reunited with her older sisters,
37:40
it's like a homecoming of all homecomings. So I can't imagine how heavy
37:45
this is that she's now going to have her parents moving like for Porsche.
37:50
I just feel so bad for Porsha and all this, and I wish that
37:52
maybe she didn't have to film that, but you know, I'm not.
37:58
This is where it gets tricky in terms of reality TV, Like and maybe
38:01
in that family it's totally fine. I don't know, but yeah, well,
38:06
you know, it's such a good point. And but the other side
38:08
of that coin is also I think the crap, like the crap that Kyle's
38:13
gotten up until this point about just be honest, you're not being honest.
38:17
So imagine how she would have been raked over the coals if she didn't film
38:22
that, right, And so this is where I feel sometimes reality TV it's
38:28
not what's best for us emotionally not at all. It's right, you know,
38:34
it's it's entertainment using people's pain, and unfortunately it's like we you know,
38:40
for me, I have to come to terms with that as I'm watching
38:44
this, because you're right in real life that that never should have been filmed.
38:47
But for these purposes. It would have been a real issue if Kyle
38:52
hadn't right, because if she was getting about because this is just like you
38:57
said, Emily about how or Melissa, that so many people were questioning if
39:02
this was something that was a PR stunt, and one look at that scene
39:07
and clearly it's not. Also, I would three out of those girls are
39:14
already on reality television of their own, or two of them on buying Beverly
39:19
Hills. Right. That's why I think maybe Porsia I would have been fine,
39:22
Like I think it would have been devastating enough without Porsche. And I
39:27
just think about Porsche in that because she really her brain isn't she's you know,
39:32
fifteen six, she's a kid, So I just like functioning with that.
39:37
I mean, life is already crazy enough in high school and everything,
39:40
so I just felt like maybe Porsche didn't have to be there, But like,
39:45
yeah, I don't know, know, I totally get your point.
39:47
I want to, you know, protect the kids. And that is the
39:51
part that made us all cry, you know, and you really felt it
39:55
because you just think about how we've followed them in their lives, I mean,
40:00
Kyle and her sisters and all the girls, the flashback, the montage
40:05
of Portia being just a tiny little tot. It is unbelievable how long we've
40:09
been watching this family. So it was a breakup for everybody, really,
40:15
And are they going to come back from this? That's that's the question.
40:21
Now the they are still living under the same roof now correcting, Yeah,
40:30
it's Tom and Adriana. The four of them are living together, Tom,
40:32
Atriana, Marisio and Kyle not that. Yeah, and I will watch all
40:37
separate rooms. That's funny. And is the assistant that like connects them all.
40:45
Yeah, it's called the White not the White Party, but the White
40:50
Noise Machine. That's the name of the show. Like one white noise machine
40:53
going all the time. Big sister, not big brother. It's just like
40:58
they all live in the same else, but they can never be in the
41:00
same room. That's the challenge. So yeah, it did seem like when
41:09
you brought this up earlier, Melissa, that and Mauricio and Kyle weren't on
41:13
the same page. But they are trying to figure things out as they go.
41:19
And that's what's kind of tricky, because Kyle doesn't know what she's gonna
41:24
do either. You know, she has to land in this place. And
41:29
I think when she met with Erica that was, you know, obviously a
41:35
good turning point for her, which is like, she has to work it
41:38
out no matter what, regardless of what everyone else's opinions are, regardless she
41:45
has been and I liked what Erica said, You've been a great wife,
41:49
a mother, a daughter, a sister, and you need to take this
41:51
time to figure out what you need and where you need to go with this
41:54
life, which I thought was great advice because it doesn't really pressure you to
42:00
have the answer right now, but you just have to sit in this and
42:02
figure it out. And Kyle saying and if we can't work it out,
42:07
you know, dot dot dot, And then here we are at the end
42:12
with her making this statement, which is that she feels like he can dissip
42:21
you know, they they she wasn't able to recover from whatever else whatever happened
42:27
Yeah, Well maybe she just didn't have any gas in the tank left after
42:30
everything else. So maybe maybe whatever it was she could have gotten over in
42:35
the past, but just now not enough going on, I think, Emily.
42:40
I think that that is the most important point here that people are missing,
42:46
is that they're over focusing on the working out and the sobriety, which,
42:52
dear God. But when people change, they evolve and behaviors change,
43:00
right, So, Kyle, I believe we are watching someone who is in
43:06
flux, who is in a period of their life where they are changing and
43:10
growing and evolving, and she doesn't know what the hell she wants. It
43:15
really is kind of like what we go through when we're teenagers. It does
43:17
happen, you know, in midlife, and it's not just you know,
43:22
being a teenager where we have these existential crises of do you know Listen,
43:27
I've been with my husband for twenty two years, and so what I can
43:30
tell you is that Mauricio and Kyle grew up together, as did my husband
43:34
and I. We went in college. I was twenty years old when we
43:37
met and I'm now forty three. And so the reason why I share that
43:40
is that people, a lot of people don't understand the evolutions of people in
43:46
these long term, multiple decades relationships. Both people change, right, and
43:52
as a couple, you evolve and change too, And so it's really common
43:58
when you know, kids start leaving the nest and you get into mid life,
44:02
your priorities change, things change, and so you either grow apart or
44:07
you grow together. And I think what we are watching is Kyle is devastated
44:13
over the fact that she is being emotionally abandoned by Mauricio. She's been such
44:17
a dedicated wife and mother for all of these years. She prided herself on
44:22
being perfect, which you know that wasn't good either, But now she's lost.
44:27
She's floating in a sea of ambiguity, and she's like, I don't
44:30
know what's going on with this man in my twenty seven year relationship. My
44:34
kids are leaving the house, what's going on with me? Like, I
44:37
just think we're seeing somebody who's going through it. And instead of throwing stones
44:42
and being nasty, we just have to give her the space to figure out
44:45
who the hell she is, what she wants, how her and Mauricio manage
44:51
this. I mean, it's a complex situation. There's not one answer that
44:55
she can give that's going to satisfy anyone. And I think that's in my
45:00
frustration over the season with the ladies. They're not asking the right questions,
45:07
true, detective, that's question. Yeah. And you know when we're seeing
45:17
you know, clips from the reunion and we're seeing or rather even Sutton's reaction
45:23
about this on the phone with Garcel, it's nauseating. You know, they
45:29
do sound like Danvers and Navarro detective, like they're like evidence receipts, while
45:37
it's like you barely know anything about Sutton. I keep saying that, I'm
45:40
just like, I don't know anything about you, Sutton, Like who are
45:44
you right now? To Well, this is going to make me very livid
45:47
because I think to myself, you guys are going to come at her at
45:51
the reunion and say you were supposed to be honest. It's a show.
45:52
It's a show. It's like, guys, you just got here, sorry,
45:57
you just got here. Guess who was here at the very beginning showing
46:00
their entire life and their sister, Like you can't speak on this trademark,
46:07
Candy Burris, you know, speak on it, Like I just feel like
46:13
this is gonna irritate me to no end. If they're holding her feet to
46:15
the fire about all season you were lying to us, Fuck you all seasons.
46:20
She was being true to who she was, trying to get through her
46:23
life and film a show and try to figure out who she is. You
46:29
know, I don't. I would not hold that against her as somebody who's
46:32
lying, like them saying, oh, she she knew this all along and
46:37
she was withholding information. No, that's not gonna fly. I would repeat,
46:44
go ahead, no, No, I can't handle Erica right now being
46:51
by Kyle's side and then wanting her to be quote unquote oviscerated at the reunion.
46:55
I don't understand that. I don't get that. Are we missing just
47:00
standing something? I don't. She's equating Kyle's marriage falling apart, which is
47:06
kind of a normal cycle of relationships. It's on the normal spectrum of things
47:10
that happened to her husband defrauding victims of a plane crash and then the fallout
47:19
financially for her. No, and I'm like, Erica, these are not
47:22
the same things. Oh what are you doing? And so Andy said that
47:27
to Kyle, right, he said, Erica told me to eviserate you.
47:31
Mm hmm. Oh my god, Yeah, that's in the trailer. Yeah,
47:35
And I saw that and I was like, that can't be possibly true,
47:40
Like is there editing tricks here going on? And then I saw them
47:44
sitting on the couch next to each other, and I'm like, huh,
47:47
so uh, this is going to be a real issue, a real problem.
47:53
I just feel so irate that people. So there's a common fallacy see
48:00
that the general population uses with comparing apples and oranges, and people love a
48:07
comparison, but they don't understand sometimes that when you're making that, you can't
48:14
always equate A to B. It's not that simple. And I repeat,
48:17
how can Kyle be honest about something that she is a actively grieving and be
48:25
actively trying to figure out? It is not as if we found out this
48:30
would be different if we found out that they had been divorced for years and
48:34
we just never knew, right, Like, that is a wholly different situation.
48:38
This is happening in real time. Kyle is a human being who is
48:44
watching her life fall apart. She's lost her best friend, she didn't have
48:49
a relationship with her sister at this point, her husband's emotionally abandon her,
48:52
her kids are leaving the house. We just have to remember her humanity and
48:59
give her some damn grace. Like, people, how do you how everyone
49:04
listening to this? How do you think you might react if a camera was
49:07
pointed in your face and you were dealing with all that? Like, I
49:09
just maintain that Erica and all of these people that I do believe are going
49:15
to want her feet held to the fire, are are having this like this
49:22
cognitive belief that's incorrect, That it's not the same. It's not about honesty.
49:29
It's about grief and a messy situation and not knowing how to explain it.
49:35
And I do believe if the other women had asked her different questions,
49:37
they would have gotten a whole lot more information. What kind of questions are
49:42
you saying that they could have asked that would have been better? Okay,
49:45
great, I can I'll rattle them off gop fire. Okay. Kyle,
49:51
you say that you're having trouble with Marie and it has a big it been
49:54
a great year. Tell me what that's been like for you? What does
50:00
that mean for you? How can I help? What are you tell me?
50:06
Help me understand what you're going through? Right when you ask those questions
50:12
from a place of care, concern and understanding. You're going to get the
50:16
answers that you're not going to get when you're saying, well, is it
50:22
a ring because he cheated on you? Like the whole overfocusing, the ladies
50:25
shot themselves in the foot when they were over focusing on the jewelry, the
50:30
working out and the sobriety. It's hey, I see you're changing a lot.
50:37
Tell me what that's about for you? Are you okay? What's happening
50:40
that I see these changes. I hear you say they're positive, but here
50:44
are my concerns, right, So, and again, I'm a therapist,
50:46
so I'm trained at this. So it seems easy enough. But if any
50:51
of the ladies had actually tried to have a conversation, we may have gotten
50:54
more about this sooner than we did. Hmm. Interesting. I think to
50:59
reach tried a little bit. And remember in that car ride, I think
51:02
Kyle was driving, Jury was a passenger, but it was more about Durrett's
51:07
feelings and so, which is weird because it's so unlike and like a housewife
51:14
too. And Erica, you know, never does that either, especially in
51:16
this conversation with Kylin. Oh that was me. That's how I felt.
51:20
That's how it is. You know, It's like I can't stand it.
51:22
Don't put your shit on me when I'm sure you're trying to comfort me,
51:25
and yet you're bringing in your stuff. It's it kind of negates it a
51:29
little bit. Yeah, maybe you can speak to that, yeah, because
51:34
I feel like sometimes you want to be like, no, I understand where
51:37
you're coming from, but then you kind of make it sound like you're taking
51:42
over their situation, right, And so yes, there's there's a way to
51:49
relate, and then there's a way to compare and make it about yourself.
51:53
And dere H and Erica I don't think are good at you know, their
51:59
goal is to relate, right, and they both do have a lot of
52:02
things that they can relate to Kyle with. But I absolutely agree that they
52:07
both made it about themselves. And in fact, especially with Derey, there
52:12
was a defensive tone and tenor with her communication with Kyle and the car that
52:17
immediately Kyle is a sensitive soul and as an intuitive person, she's going to
52:23
sense that and her barriers are going to go right up. So yes,
52:28
there is a way to say, girl, you know, this is how
52:31
it felt for me. But my goodness, I can't even unders begin to
52:36
understand what you're going through. So help me understand it. That's a good
52:39
way to say, yeah, I've been through it, I hear you,
52:43
but I'm not comparing, So tell me, help me understand your pain.
52:49
And I think Eric and Durrey a thousand percent fall short there. They're just
52:52
two people. I don't know if they're super capable of that. Yeah,
52:57
there aren't many housewives that are capable of it. But so when we talk
53:01
about Morgan, because it didn't really come up here, but that seems to
53:07
be their focus always is the Morgan thing, meaning the ring, the working
53:13
out, the way that they're dressing. And this editing really didn't you know,
53:19
shy away from that either, because at the end it said, like
53:22
Kyle reckincile with Kathy making everything honky dory for Whitney's wedding. Kyle and Mauricio
53:28
continue to live their lives separately, and then they show a Daily Mail headline
53:31
it's like Kylin Morgan rumored lesbian lover on road trip wearing magic hats, looking
53:37
the same, you know, you know, just every possible. They just
53:42
really like blew that out, and which made it very comical because it took
53:47
away from the weight of the of the actual issues, you know, and
53:52
just kind of made it into some kind of cliche story ending. But what
53:58
what are your thoughts on that Melissa with Morgan and they had that recently,
54:04
all the pictures were scrubbed from Morgan's Morgan and Kyle's pages of each other,
54:09
and yet now we see that they're fine. They spoke out that they're fine,
54:13
they didn't have a fight, and Morgan was at Watch What Happens Live
54:15
with Kyle last night, So it's sort of all it's very twisty turney,
54:21
it's very confusing, and I didn't see the butt pat as Emily said,
54:24
But what are your thoughts on the Morgan sitch? Okay, so my thoughts
54:30
on the Morgan situation are that, you know, as a therapist who is
54:35
culturally competent and trained in terms of the lgbt QI, plus you know,
54:39
population, I have two different feelings about this. The one is that it's
54:45
it's strangely reductive to look at a human being and to say, well,
54:51
when you were with Mauricio, you were straight, and now you're a lesbian,
54:54
and it's like, well, sexuality is more fluid than that, and
54:59
it's not a as reductive as as that, So that's just one part as
55:04
a therapist. It's like a nobody knows somebody's sexual orientation or fluidity except for
55:12
them. And I don't like personally the rhetoric around it, especially like using
55:19
the term lesbian in a way. It feels like it's being weaponized, Like
55:22
it feels like it's somehow like a weaponizing insult, and I just think that's
55:29
gross because being gay is not an insult. It's not like a zinger.
55:35
It's it's this is people's lives. So now, does she have a romantic
55:39
relationship with Morgan? You know, sometimes it appears that she might, but
55:45
only the two of them know that. But what I can say for sure
55:50
is that Morgan has clearly been a huge support to Kyle during a time in
55:54
her life where she desperately needed that. So whatever it is, that's the
56:00
nature of their relationship. Personally, I couldn't care less. I don't think
56:04
that's lacious. What I think people are missing is that she found something in
56:08
this person that is helping her at a time where I'm grateful because we all
56:15
need help and support m Yeah. Well good point. Well you should run
56:20
for office Melissa. All right, well why don't we just talk about the
56:27
white party, because I mean, holy shit, like and it was wild
56:31
to me that, like the actual party connection was because she did that direct
56:37
TV commercial, so she don't me, I did not connect any of that.
56:42
I'm like, you, so you had an event here, now you
56:45
get to like just get the state. That does make sense because if she
56:49
was there at the stadium, she probably met a ton of people associated.
56:52
I mean it's connections, connections and contacts, and they were probably like,
56:57
oh my gosh, you know, we love the Housewives. Why don't look
57:01
what And she's like, oh, I should have a party here and they're
57:05
like what. Yeah, you know, I mean I could see it all
57:07
unfolding the way that it did, and so but wild that that would have
57:14
been the connection. I loved it. And holy cow, Like even Denise
57:19
walking in was like, oh fucking this is fucking shit, is fucking real,
57:22
Like this is some big shit, like whoa, wow, should have
57:25
worn all white and so this pink. You know, she was blown away.
57:30
Everyone was like whoa. I mean, Mauricio, this is a perfect
57:34
example of him not being on the same page as Kyle and not listening.
57:39
Thought this party was gonna be in the parking lot. Yep, yeah,
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unreal. And it's like, and what Kyle actually said, this is just
57:51
another example of him not listening. And my god, is it a good
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one. Do you know your wife? Do you think Kyle m effing Richards
58:00
would have a white party in a parking lot? Bro come on right,
58:05
So a poor listener and b it's it shows the emotional disconnect from from Kyle.
58:12
I just put something together, Melissa when you said that. I'm wondering
58:15
if Kyle found out like Mauricio, why it's a gray areas. Maybe he
58:22
was having an emotional affair with someone he was working with, like or something
58:24
like that, where he was she read text or emails where he was so
58:29
invested in somebody else, and like he doesn't even know the white parties in
58:34
a parking lot or at so far, you know what I mean, Like,
58:36
he can't even That's just a theory of mine, because I could see
58:40
that really cutting like a knife. Yeah, Emily, genius, Because as
58:45
soon as you said that, I'm like, okay, that that would make
58:49
sense to me, don't I don't necessarily see a physical infidelity, but that
58:54
is absolutely yeah, that tracks psychologically, and I did not think of that.
59:00
So really, I think he's capable of doing that. I mean in
59:07
that department. I mean, in the beginning of a relationship. People are
59:09
capable of lifting a car. So if he was having an emotional affair,
59:15
he could absolutely tune in and be like, I'm going to take care of
59:19
this problem for you. I'm going to be there for you. I'm going
59:21
to be yeah, let's just go and deal, you know, Like I
59:23
can see him totally stepping in in that way, and especially if it was
59:28
like a work relationship where they are super understanding the agency right now and what
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he's going through, and yeah, I'm put my money on that. Yeah,
59:37
it makes sense. I mean, it's all about the agency. And
59:42
not only does it make sense, but now I'm flashing back to how angry
59:46
she would get when he wasn't listening or wasn't emotionally attending to her, and
59:52
it's like, well, he can do this for other things, he can
59:55
do this for right, She's said that before, So that definitely that makes
1:00:01
so much sense. But here's the thing, even if it wasn't an emotional
1:00:06
affair. I believe the agency itself. I think she feels that has taken
1:00:13
her place, like he's putting so much into the baby of his business that
1:00:17
she's like, well, what about me? And what I can tell you
1:00:22
when you've been in a multiple decades long relationship is that you know, when
1:00:25
you're together for twenty plus years, the you know, it's a different love.
1:00:31
It's a more mature love. You know that gotta have you spark like,
1:00:37
yeah, for sure, that's that's that's just different. And there are
1:00:40
some folks that can't tolerate that mature love. There's some folks that need that,
1:00:47
you know, addictive, got to have it hurt, pumping, you
1:00:52
know, excitement of yeah. Yeah. Some people don't want mature love.
1:00:58
Some people want adrenaline and drama and whatever. So I think between everything we're
1:01:04
talking about, we're creating a theory and a timeline that makes sense about what
1:01:10
may be going on. So good job, ladies, Hey we did it.
1:01:15
Now we will have to wrap in a minute, but I want to
1:01:20
just briefly discuss who broke the story. I mean, who's the one who
1:01:25
gave the story to People magazine, Because that's the biggest question, Rob,
1:01:31
Rob, shut up. That was hilarious. I know, I loved it.
1:01:35
I loved it. Who do you say it was Morgan? Oh yeah,
1:01:38
I got that. We said it was Morgan, which is not wrong
1:01:42
in terms of like salacious gossip being leaked and where are the sources? But
1:01:46
like, I don't think Morgan is looking for any of this. I mean,
1:01:52
she's looking for career, but not this. I don't even think you
1:01:58
know, I definitely think Morgan their secondary gains to all this, But she
1:02:02
if she truly knows that Kyle trusts her and she values that, there's no
1:02:07
way that she would do that to Kyle, not intentionally. But what if
1:02:10
it was unintentionally where well, I don't know, watch What Happens Live.
1:02:17
How Kyle made it sound was that they and Emily I don't know if you
1:02:23
heard her talk about this, but they did. Like a poll I watch
1:02:27
What Happens Live about like who leaked it? Thirty percent of people said it
1:02:30
was Kyle. Basically no one said it was Mauricio, which that is so
1:02:36
typical of people right now. It's like, oh yeah, I love to
1:02:39
blame a woman, but let Mauricio just get off. Scott free. Don't
1:02:43
even get me started on that BS. And then there were like people who
1:02:45
said it with someone else. So Kyle claims that Mauricio had some ideas of
1:02:51
like friends of friends who like it sounded like it was a game of telephone
1:02:57
that the information trickled to one part person who did something that they shouldn't have
1:03:02
with it, and Mauricio had some sort of idea, but they still didn't
1:03:07
know. That was what Kyle said. And watch What Happens Live, you
1:03:10
know, I didn't see that, but I tuned in late, so that,
1:03:15
yeah, I didn't see that. But that's so interesting because, like,
1:03:20
I mean, it had to have been somebody very close, because people
1:03:22
doesn't just run stories like that. They're not necessarily you know, they're That's
1:03:29
why it was such a big deal because people did that story. So I
1:03:32
think that they had already talked to their publicists because people also wouldn't take a
1:03:37
story for Morgan, they would only take it from a publicist. I think
1:03:42
they're really really good on that, and yeah, they're really sanitized in terms
1:03:46
of what the messaging will be. And I don't know if you remember,
1:03:51
but it read like a press release. I mean it read like a publicist
1:03:54
wrote it and sent it to them. They're not going to They're not they
1:03:59
people. Magazine is not there to drop bombs and go signs, and and
1:04:05
really they have the backs of a lot of the BRA celebrities because they probably
1:04:11
go to them and say, look, you know, now's the time if
1:04:14
you want to do this through us, will legitimize what your statement is.
1:04:16
And you know, they allow them to control it in that way, and
1:04:20
they give them that platform to do it. So it's very strange, very
1:04:26
very strange. Well that's why I think maybe that to what Kyle said,
1:04:32
what you were saying, Melissa, maybe they had crafted a message and it
1:04:36
was a holiday weekend, so should hit the fan. And maybe there was
1:04:42
some uh texting back and forth between Mauricio and Kyle. They were all together,
1:04:47
but maybe there was some vague texting back and forth to the publicists and
1:04:53
they just went with it in a panic. Like maybe Mauricio was like,
1:04:56
yeah, I hear what you're saying, and they were like, okay,
1:04:58
go to print, you know kind of thing, instead of like oh wait
1:05:01
he meant yeah, I hear what you're saying, but hang on a second
1:05:04
or something, you know, like I can see that going and I could
1:05:06
see it coming from Mauricio in that way. But he's the one that's very
1:05:12
like she says, he was focused so much on who gave that story instead
1:05:18
of her and the girls. Yeah, so anyway, he doesn't pay attention
1:05:25
to shit. So I'm sure he was like yeah, yeah, yeah,
1:05:28
and then they're like okay, that's a go printed And he doesn't know him
1:05:30
the whole time, And I think this topic is a microcosm of why their
1:05:38
marriage has disintegrated. Mauricio, his communication isn't clear. He's all over the
1:05:43
place, he's not paying attention, he's not listening, he's just you know,
1:05:47
floating around, just doing whatever he's doing. And so I we're missing
1:05:53
a piece of this puzzle for sure, because for me, whenever something like
1:05:56
this happens and it's so confusing and you're like, I don't get it.
1:05:59
There's something that we're missing. But Emily, what you just said to me
1:06:02
makes the most sense. Was Marisi was talking to a publicist and then was
1:06:09
not present and paying attention, and then you know said, you know,
1:06:12
like, do you want to run this story about you guys separating? Meanwhile,
1:06:16
his assistants like so do you want homus on the side or runs.
1:06:20
He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh huh both yeah,
1:06:23
yeah, uh huh yeah and then yeah because like they were in Aspen
1:06:29
at the time, this shit hit the fan, and as Kyle said,
1:06:31
they you know, I bet that thing was all ready to go, but
1:06:35
they weren't. They were expecting to control the message, and then that face
1:06:39
reality story hit and then they all panicked, and Maurice was like, I
1:06:43
got it. We'll figure this out. I got it. What do we
1:06:45
do? Because I have been on the side of like a press release where
1:06:50
there's a couple talking heads, everybody's texting. It's confusing. And it went
1:06:55
out and I've been on that side of it and it wasn't devastating or anything,
1:06:59
but there was wrong information in it, and I was like, wait,
1:07:01
that's not what That's not the one we wanted to send what you know,
1:07:05
you know what I mean? Like, so, I have definitely been
1:07:09
there, and that's what I was thinking with him. I was like,
1:07:13
I bet you he just half asked his response on a holiday weekend and somebody
1:07:19
sent the wrong like somebody sent the thing. They were they were going to
1:07:24
change the wording and then here we are and he's like, who the hell
1:07:28
sent that? And the agents the public uh, the PR agency, not
1:07:31
the agency, the agency AI. It's actually yeah, it's like and you
1:07:40
know what, because it was a holiday weekend, it was probably like the
1:07:43
assistants assistant assistant and they were like, yeah, lord, I love the
1:07:49
part when it's like one month later and then you know, gars they have
1:07:55
the It's like the cameramen have just been sticking around Garcels just in case,
1:08:01
and she's like, oh, oh my god, you know read the article,
1:08:08
Soddy, I love it, Like all of that, all the camera
1:08:12
crews were just waiting for just in case. Just that was I have to
1:08:17
just say that was one of the moments of inauthenticity that I was like,
1:08:21
why am I watching this show? I was like, really, cameras are
1:08:26
just going to Read's backyard capturing her with her puppies. Oh Columba, but
1:08:30
whatever, Like you're not just there, bro, come on, can we
1:08:33
be real about it. It's that that does that a lot, and we
1:08:39
can not do that when there's a big reveal. We don't have to see
1:08:44
yeah, yeah we're not we know, friends aren't bringing I'm sorry, we
1:08:46
know friends. Aren't we know Kyle's not bringing on Anna Marie. We know
1:08:50
it's casting. Can we just start being real about this people and just being
1:08:57
like, hey, she was casted, okay, and no new girl.
1:09:01
So PK was in London for thirty nine days. I mean that's not weird
1:09:08
to me, honestly. Okay, Well, I mean because of working the
1:09:13
way we work, we have gigs that take us away for months at a
1:09:16
time. I was actually surprised that Durite was so pissed about it when he's
1:09:21
the one that is, you know, he's he has business and all that.
1:09:27
I know she does too, don't get me wrong, but I'm just
1:09:29
like, that's not that weird to me. Yeah, all right, here's
1:09:33
the thing, Emily, here's the thing. Has p K ever missed a
1:09:38
finale rap party? I don't know, but I would say, yeah,
1:09:42
I would agree, probably not right, So like, yeah, you're you're
1:09:46
right, right, he's working and you know, supporting Deit's you know,
1:09:50
seventy five million dollar pajamas that she had to wear on the flight to their
1:09:56
right, So somebody's got to pay for that. But I feel what I
1:10:00
feel was what's happening with Mauricio and Kyle. I feel we're seeing a parallel
1:10:06
process truly with PK and Derree, except they're handling things differently, and they
1:10:14
aren't getting the spotlight because the spotlight is on Kyle and Mauricio. If it
1:10:17
were for Kylin Mauricio, I guarantee more of the spotlight would be on them.
1:10:21
And as a therapist who's who's worked with couples like this, what I
1:10:26
can tell you is there is a disconnect happening. Dererie is feeling emotionally abandoned.
1:10:30
She's feeling not heard and listened to. PK is like had it with
1:10:35
her. I think he's frustrated and listen, dealing with someone who is you
1:10:40
know, well she she really does. I mean not to break it down
1:10:47
to that, but I you're absolutely right. I mean, and he hasn't
1:10:51
been and with his PTSD situation, it's terrible, and you know, I
1:10:56
mean, that's that's intense. So all right, well we do have to
1:11:00
wrap up. Unfortunately, I just tell you my favorite line of the episode.
1:11:04
Oh yes, yes, yes, Kyle was on stage and she's like,
1:11:09
Hikmille, I hadn't said hi to yet, sentence like I said hi,
1:11:15
do you remember that Son said that bag? Yeah, yeah, like
1:11:19
I thought it was I thought it was talking to her. Oh my god,
1:11:23
I thought it was Camille that said that. That's so funny. I
1:11:27
thought it was I'm pretty sure it was Sons, Like I said, Hi,
1:11:31
so it's not all about you. Also, look out behind you.
1:11:34
She blames Ali that she fell into the stage. You pushed me like this,
1:11:42
lady, Well, can I say I'm sorry? What? Oh?
1:11:46
Go ahead about the white party itself, because I think this was like,
1:11:50
really, I want to know if you ladies feel the same way. Kyle
1:11:54
mentioned something about it, how her white parties used to be sentimental, and
1:12:00
what we watched last night is the opposite of that, which I think is
1:12:04
incredibly reflective of what is happening with Kyle personally and with Kyle in her life.
1:12:12
This was a kind of part of my language, but like a grotesquely
1:12:17
inauthentic, huge weird white party in the stadium that deviated so sharply from the
1:12:26
whole white parties of past, and the giant Kyle on the floor, it
1:12:31
just was all very representative of what I feel like, this disconnect and this
1:12:39
inauthenticity that we're seeing on the show. Ooh, I like that. It
1:12:45
is. It's kind of like a movie where it's like, you know,
1:12:47
the humble person becomes a star and the next thing you know, it's like,
1:12:51
yeah, they've got portraits of themselves on the wall and the big party
1:12:57
like that. Yeah, it's it's very interesting to see where they where they
1:13:00
were and now where they are walking down the the field, separated but together
1:13:06
and just all done up and and the shes. Yeah, that was actually
1:13:13
very funny. And Mauricio is eating, he's eating, he's at the buffet
1:13:17
while his wife and children are I mean, it was it was truly a
1:13:23
therapist dream watching it. And this is why I'm going to talk about it,
1:13:28
you know, and do a deeper dive because every everything Mauricio did was
1:13:31
like such an example of what is happening in their lives that it's just it
1:13:38
blew it blew my mind. Amazing you guys, this has been so much
1:13:43
fun. And and thanks to Denise Richards for showing up and calling out Erica.
1:13:47
Jane uh you can do that. You can lip sync everybody. Please
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