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UK Column News — 12th November 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the twelfth November, just after one o'clock.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the UK Colin News. I'm your host by Robinson.
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Speaker 1: My host today and Judio was Patrick Henningson. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: the program. Patrick, great to be with you. Mike and
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Speaker 1: Johnny's fire livelink. We have Vanessa, Billy and Liz Evans
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Speaker 1: now today. We're going to be following up on the
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Speaker 1: BBC implosion. In a couple of minutes. Vanessa is going
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Speaker 1: to be reporting on Jilani's visit to the White House.
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Speaker 1: This Evans is going to be covering they lit us
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Speaker 1: on organ donations. But we're going to begin with prisons
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Speaker 1: because of course, as we all know, the Deputy Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister David Lammie was in the House of Commons yesterday
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Speaker 1: to update Parliament on the sorry the accidental is accidental
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Speaker 1: release of prisoners which have been grabbing the headlines over
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Speaker 1: the past few days. So here's what he had to say.
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Speaker 1: The first duty of government is to keep the public safe. Well,
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Speaker 1: I would suggest that no, really it is. This is
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Speaker 1: the uniparty regimes excuse for lockdowns and technocracy and derived
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Speaker 1: from British im peerless thinkers like Thomas Hobbs and John Locke. Actually,
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Speaker 1: so it's a matter though that we've been having shoved
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Speaker 1: down our throats since twenty twenty. In particular, he went
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Speaker 1: on to say, we're putting in new guardrails around an
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Speaker 1: archaic system with tougher new checks, reviewing specific feelings and
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Speaker 1: modernizing prison processes and joint working with quotes. All the
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Speaker 1: beared down on the increase in mistakes. So now we're
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Speaker 1: starting to get to the bottom of it, because what
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Speaker 1: they're talking about here is a ten million pound investment
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Speaker 1: that we'll see the rollout of new AI power tools
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Speaker 1: to frontline prison staff so that they can quote accurately,
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Speaker 1: calculate sentences, and vital upgrades to the archaic paper based systems.
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Speaker 1: This is all being accelerated. Of course, they're saying that
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Speaker 1: currently under already under pressure, prison staff are having to
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Speaker 1: weid through more than five hundred pages of guidance, making
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Speaker 1: mistakes more likely. The multimillion pound pledge will be invested
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Speaker 1: over the next six months and built on new digital
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Speaker 1: crack teams deployed to prisons next last week to look
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Speaker 1: at how cutting edge technology can be used to bring
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Speaker 1: down errors. So they're going to set up a new
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Speaker 1: Justice Performance Board, which is they claim going to give
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Speaker 1: David Lammy a greater oversight of the system and drive
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Speaker 1: improvements in prisons and criminal courts. And they say that
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Speaker 1: the measures include a quote relentless focus on data with
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Speaker 1: new terms of teams of data scientists deployed to review
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Speaker 1: all historic releases in error to understand what was wrong
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Speaker 1: in every case. So they're talking about an extra fourteen
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Speaker 1: thousand prison places being built by this government, while sentences
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Speaker 1: will be overhauled to make prisons to make sure that
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Speaker 1: we have enough prison places to lock up dangerous criminals
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Speaker 1: and keep the public safe. And they're saying that they've
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Speaker 1: already delivered two and a half thousand new places and
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Speaker 1: that the last government added only five hundred because they've
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Speaker 1: got to get the party political bit in as well.
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Speaker 1: The last government only added five hundred places to the
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Speaker 1: prison state in the last fourteen years. So well, that's okay,
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Speaker 1: But the question is where is the where the prison
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Speaker 1: officers staff going to come from because the Prison Service
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Speaker 1: had been recruiting from outside the UK to fill vacancies. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: that's just that quote I was reading there a second
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Speaker 1: it go So let's have a look at this report
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Speaker 1: for example, because this is highlighting the thirty percent of
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Speaker 1: prison officers of the HMP Buildington is just one example,
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Speaker 1: or foreign nationals. There's an not going spot taking place
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Speaker 1: between the Justice Department and the Home Office because hm
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Speaker 1: Prison and Probation Service is no longer allowed to sponsor
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Speaker 1: a new skilled worker visas for prison officers. That's since
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Speaker 1: July the twenty second this year. So the question is
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Speaker 1: do we have accidentally released prisoners or is there actually
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Speaker 1: something else going on here. But whether that's the case
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Speaker 1: or not, we certainly apparently need digital systems and AI
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Speaker 1: suggestions of digital ID for prisoners, and we have a
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Speaker 1: prisoner a prison officer recruitment crisis with demands for the
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Speaker 1: Home Office to relax immigration rules and as we know
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Speaker 1: immigration relaxed immigration is going to require digital ID. So
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Speaker 1: it's pretty clear what the agenda is here and what's
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Speaker 1: being well. I would argue it is being engineered.
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Speaker 2: So it starts with prisoners and veterans, and then military
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Speaker 2: service and then the public. It seems I think the
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Speaker 2: biggest growth for the prison system in the last year
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Speaker 2: the most amount of master arrests, where pensioners of blind pensioners,
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Speaker 2: Holocaust survivors, and people basically saying I support Palestine action
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Speaker 2: quote unquote, be carefully put the quote.
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Speaker 1: On, yes exactly.
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Speaker 2: So that's the growth area for prisons. Maybe this is
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Speaker 2: what they're ramping up for as place to put protesters
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Speaker 2: process them more efficiently.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be, could be, But well we'll see
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Speaker 1: how that goes. But I'm calling nonsense on that particular one.
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Speaker 1: And it's it's a bit of a story which is
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Speaker 1: being generated to creative reaction from people. But let's let's
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Speaker 1: see where that comes.
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Speaker 2: And as luck would have it, it was an immigrant indeed accident.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, Okay, let's move on there to the BBC and
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Speaker 1: Tim Divvy. As I'm sure everybody knows. By no and
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Speaker 1: I was on an all staff call with BBC staff
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Speaker 1: for an hour yesterday. Here's what he had to say
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Speaker 1: on the way into broadcasting. Hus just want to say
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Speaker 1: a couple of things. I'm here to lead and support
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Speaker 1: the BBC. I'm very very proud of our join this
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Speaker 1: in this building. They're doing work. I think it's incredibly important.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank every one of them. They're doing
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Speaker 1: a wonderful job. Also, everyone accrossing the BBC doing this
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Speaker 1: thing for the.
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Speaker 3: Big the UK and personally I'm here to lead and
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Speaker 3: support them.
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Speaker 4: The BBC's are going to be thriving and I support
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Speaker 4: every one of the team.
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Speaker 1: I'm very proud of him, thank you very much. Here
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Speaker 1: he's very proud of them. But look, the content of
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Speaker 1: the call is no secret. His presentation to staff was
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Speaker 1: full of I'm proud of you rhetoric as he's just
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Speaker 1: expressed there. But this clearly didn't go down well with
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Speaker 1: BBC staff and by all accounts, they were also pretty
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Speaker 1: unoppressed with the fact that, contrary to previous suggestions, they
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Speaker 1: were not free to ask questions during the call or
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Speaker 1: after the call. All the questions that were submitted had
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Speaker 1: to be screened, and sky News has reported, for example,
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Speaker 1: that staff were taking to Public Comments section on the
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Speaker 1: BBC website to try to get their questions noticed. So
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Speaker 1: if Tim Divey thought this would be an exercise in
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Speaker 1: getting all hands to the pumps, he's clearly filled spectacularly.
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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, Lisa Nandy, the Culture Secretary, was
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Speaker 1: in the comments yesterday to try to shore up support
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Speaker 1: for this great British institution. As she was expressing it
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Speaker 1: as there are fundamental difference there. Sorry, there is a
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Speaker 1: fundamental difference she said, between risings. There is concerns over
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Speaker 1: ethical feelings members of this highest launching us a state
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Speaker 1: attack on the institution itself because the BBC is not
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Speaker 1: just a broadcaster, it's a national institution that belongs to
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Speaker 1: us all. So, well do we agree with that.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot to unpack there, Mike, I, I
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Speaker 2: think we can move on. Just take a look at
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Speaker 2: this situation. I mean, let's look at how this scandal.
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Speaker 2: First of all, let's just start with this. There's Tim
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Speaker 2: Davey here, so he is out, as well as the
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Speaker 2: head of News, Debra Turnus. There, both have resigned. Davies
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Speaker 2: tells the staff we've got to fight for a journalism.
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Speaker 2: So he's going out with the rallying cry there. But
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Speaker 2: let's look at previous resignations of director generals, and I
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Speaker 2: always find that these high profile resignations are usually to
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Speaker 2: take the edge off something that's really happening, that's actually
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Speaker 2: damaging to the institution in the country. Here, we're going
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Speaker 2: to call these pressure release resignations. Here, here's two director
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Speaker 2: generals will bring up on screen. First, of all. Twenty twelve,
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Speaker 2: the short lived Director General George and Whistle resigns after
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Speaker 2: a BBC report falsely implicating a senior British politician in
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Speaker 2: a putiphile scandal child abuse scandal. There we can speculate
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Speaker 2: on who that senior politician might have been, but nonetheless
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Speaker 2: the result was he stepped down. Two thousand and four,
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Speaker 2: Director General Greg Dyke resigned after pressure over the government's
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Speaker 2: mysterious death of David Kelly, the Ministry Defense weapons expert.
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Speaker 2: Here and so the source to the BBC claimed that
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Speaker 2: the government's dossier was sexed up. We all remember that story.
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Speaker 2: This was Tony Blair's dossier used to lie the country
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Speaker 2: into the Iraq war on a fake WMD case. But
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Speaker 2: on both cases here the end whistle resignation really took
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Speaker 2: the edge off that right there, Mike, which was the
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Speaker 2: Jimmy Savills scandal which was at its height in twenty twelve.
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Speaker 2: There he is with the current King Charles there savelbing
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Speaker 2: his Social secretary very close. And the Dyke resignation took
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Speaker 2: the edge off this, which was Tony Blair's sort of
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Speaker 2: criminal involvement as a war criminal in lying the country
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Speaker 2: into the war and saying that the David Kelly controversy
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Speaker 2: was just a cock up. It wasn't a cover up,
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Speaker 2: It's just a cockup. And this is usually what the
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Speaker 2: media do here, and I think the same is probably
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Speaker 2: true in the case of Tim Davey. Mike, there's a
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Speaker 2: bigger scandal here, and one of those is the coverage
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Speaker 2: of the genocide and Gosam. We'll get to that in
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Speaker 2: a minute here, but just to tee off this one,
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Speaker 2: and this comes at the same time Donald Trump is
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Speaker 2: threatening a one billion dollar lawsuit against the BBC. But
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Speaker 2: look at the subtext on this is interesting here. BBC
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Speaker 2: board member with Tory links quote led the charge in
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Speaker 2: systemic bias claims, says insight. So you can see how
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Speaker 2: the established is conveniently framing this as a left versus
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Speaker 2: right or Tory versus labor sort of controversy. But it's not.
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Speaker 2: It's really, Mike, and we'll talk about this on Friday.
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Speaker 2: It's big money and big money coming in on the
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Speaker 2: right and from the Trump camp in the United States,
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Speaker 2: or the big corporate money coming into buy up British
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Speaker 2: media here. At the same time, the license fee is
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Speaker 2: under the under the cash and they're going to reevaluate
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Speaker 2: the BBC's license fee. Could we be seeing the breakup
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Speaker 2: of the BBC or the private part privatization of the
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Speaker 2: BBC as a result of some of this.
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Speaker 1: It's quite possible. And the question though is whether Trump
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Speaker 1: will actually move ahead with his lawsuits. So let's just
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Speaker 1: have a sorry to do this, everybody, just a brief
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Speaker 1: listen to what he said about whether it was really
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Speaker 1: something that he needed to do.
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Speaker 5: They defrauded the public and they've admitted it, and their
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Speaker 5: top echelon this is within one of our great allies.
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Speaker 5: You know, this is supposedly a great ally BBC. If
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Speaker 5: the government has a chunk of that one, I guess.
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Speaker 1: But tonight you are saying to our viewers that you
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Speaker 1: will go forward and file a defamation lawsuit against the BBC.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think I have an obligation to do it,
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Speaker 5: because you can't get people, you can't allow people.
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Speaker 1: To do that. So he has an obligation.
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Speaker 2: So it's about the January sixth speech at the Ellipse
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Speaker 2: before JA six and it was the aggegations are and
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Speaker 2: it's clear the BBC kind of doctored that speech in
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Speaker 2: order to make Trump seem like he was inciting the
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Speaker 2: capital riot, so of course he probably has an actual
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Speaker 2: case there. The question is is this excessive and hugely
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Speaker 2: politicized and are we looking at a power play ultimately
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Speaker 2: by major private equity firms and so forth. We'll talk
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Speaker 2: more about this, we'll break it down on Friday. Yes,
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Speaker 2: so I look forward to that conversation. But this is
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Speaker 2: the other one that's just coming at the exact same time.
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Speaker 2: And I don't believe in coincidences in politics, and I
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Speaker 2: don't know anybody intelligent that does. But we'll bring this
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Speaker 2: up on screen right now. The BBC editor is suing
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Speaker 2: Owen Jones, a journalist, over Israel bias claim. The columnist
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Speaker 2: for The Guardian, Owen Jones, is vigorously defending his reporting
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Speaker 2: after the corporation's Middle East editor, his name is raffy Berg,
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Speaker 2: files a high court libel claim. This is a major lawsuit,
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Speaker 2: probably going to be in the courts for a while here,
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Speaker 2: and we'll read the basis of this court document seen
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Speaker 2: by the PA News agency. John Stables a barrister for
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Speaker 2: raffy Burg. He is the BBC Middle East editor or
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Speaker 2: claiming that Owen Jones's article published in Drop Site News.
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Speaker 2: We'll show you in a minute, strikes at the acclaimants
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Speaker 2: a professional reputation as a journalist and editor. He's talking
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Speaker 2: about the BBC Middle East editor and had it caused
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Speaker 2: mister Berg to suffer an onslaught of hatred, intimidation and
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Speaker 2: threats including death threat And he goes on here the
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Speaker 2: damage incurred apparently by this BBC Middle East out of
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Speaker 2: the claimant's reputation has been seriously damaged and has caused
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Speaker 2: substantial fear, anxiety, humiliation, upset and distress from mister Jones
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Speaker 2: not apologizing or removing the article. First of all, let's
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Speaker 2: just get into libele basics. It's not to Owen Jones
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Speaker 2: that is liable. It is the publisher under British law,
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Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, and that is drop site News. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So they're saying now, as an editor of a major
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Speaker 2: news organization, if you get any backlash from other journalists
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Speaker 2: or coverage or critiques from anybody that could cause you
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Speaker 2: anxiety and sort of fear, doesn't that go with the
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Speaker 2: sort of job of being a newspaper editor or a
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Speaker 2: broadcast news editor, especially a Middle East Well.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think of Alex Belfin for example.
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Speaker 1: This is sort of a precedent that's been said with
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Speaker 1: that kiss just you know, because allegations to criticism turns
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Speaker 1: into some kind of stalking or harassment. This if people
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Speaker 1: are in the public, it seems to me that they
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Speaker 1: should be willing to accept the public criticism if it's there,
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Speaker 1: no matter if it's a pleasant or unpleasant.
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Speaker 2: So this is incredible. One time you see this BBC
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Speaker 2: bias story blowing up in the national media, and here
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Speaker 2: you have Owen Jones, who's a journalist accusing the BBC
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Speaker 2: of bias coverage regarding Israel and Gaza, and he's being
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Speaker 2: sued for libel. Now let's just unpack this because it's extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: Here we'll bring this up. This is Raffi Berg. This
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Speaker 2: is the man in question, the BBC's Middle East editor.
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Speaker 2: This is his book here read Sea of Spies, which
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Speaker 2: he apparently co wrote with Danny Lemore, a MUSSAD agent.
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Speaker 2: So there he is. But here is the article in question,
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Speaker 2: and this is the BBC Civil War over Gaza. Now
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Speaker 2: this is written by Jones. Okay, this is an incredible article.
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Speaker 2: By the way, this is no small piece. It's probably
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Speaker 2: about five thousand words tat he spoke to thirteen BBC
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Speaker 2: journalists and other staff on this mic and basically has
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Speaker 2: shown that there's been internal complaints. There was an internal
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Speaker 2: revolt as a result of the censorship and what you
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Speaker 2: might call editorial reshaping by the BBC here and we'll
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Speaker 2: get into this here. So he interviewed thirteen BBC journalists
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Speaker 2: and other staffers revealing insights of skewed stories in favor
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Speaker 2: of Israeli narratives and repeatedly dismissed objections by other staffers.
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Speaker 2: And this took place over fourteen months here and demanded
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Speaker 2: the network uphold its commitment to partiality and fairness. And
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Speaker 2: he goes on. Jones investigation has three main components here.
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Speaker 2: This is actually a really good breakdown, deep look into
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Speaker 2: the internal complaints from BBC journalists, a quantitative assessment of
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Speaker 2: how the BBC characterizes the year long siege in Gaza,
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Speaker 2: and also review the histories of people behind the coverage,
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Speaker 2: in particular the BBC's editor raffy Berg. And what's interesting
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Speaker 2: about raffy Berg, Mike is he kind of cut his
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Speaker 2: teeth with the US Foreign Broadcasting Service, which was later
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Speaker 2: exposed to be a total CIA front under the State Department,
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Speaker 2: so he is effectively working as a CIA propagandist. And
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Speaker 2: apparently when he found out when this was known that
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Speaker 2: it was a CIA front, he was quote absolutely thrilled
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Speaker 2: to find out. So not my words, of course, that's
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Speaker 2: in an interview that he gave upon his knowledge of
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Speaker 2: that incredible revelation there. So it's an excellent piece of
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Speaker 2: journalism by Jones. And many people might disagree with Owen
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Speaker 2: Jones on a number of issues, but this is excellent reporting.
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Speaker 2: But I might point out here, Mike, we're talking about
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Speaker 2: influence when you see the BBC is shaping the narrative
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Speaker 2: on coverage from October seventh onwards. Here this is what
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Speaker 2: we're talking about. This is the ranking of top fifty
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Speaker 2: English news sites in the world. Okay, now look where
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Speaker 2: the BBC ranks in terms of traffic. Take a look
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Speaker 2: at that right at the top, and the numbers we're
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Speaker 2: talking about are staggering. Okay, look at that. So this
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Speaker 2: is upwards of a billion visits globally. Look at that.
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Speaker 2: So justin October, Yeah, they just they crushed the New
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Speaker 2: York Times and that's the MSN New York Times combined.
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Speaker 2: So this is an incredible thing that we're witnessing here.
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Speaker 2: But and you know, this story has been on the
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Speaker 2: burner for the past year. Here this is Jonathan Cook
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Speaker 2: tweeted about this in January twenty twenty five about Raffi
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Speaker 2: Berg and accounts Mussat agents as close friends, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: So I mean there is bias if you have somebody
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Speaker 2: who is pro Israel and very much linked to Israel
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Speaker 2: as your Middle East editor for the largest news organization
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Speaker 2: in the world. Okay, maybe a little bit of a
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Speaker 2: problem there. So anyway, but the original story here, we'll
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Speaker 2: after to give credit to Alan McLeod here at Mint
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Speaker 2: Press News and this was January third, twenty twenty five, MIC,
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Speaker 2: So it's not a news story. It's been around and
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Speaker 2: what Owen Jones has probably done here has brought more
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Speaker 2: publicity to it. And the lawsuit is going to be huge.
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Speaker 2: Drop site Nudes already raised one hundred thousand in the
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Speaker 2: first day they put up their crowdfunder. They say they're
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Speaker 2: ready to fight Ryan Grimm, Jeremy Scahill, their former intercept
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Speaker 2: They're ready to fight this case. They think they have
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Speaker 2: enough money MIC to go the distance. And win. This
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Speaker 2: would be a huge defeat for the BBC and probably
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Speaker 2: the Israeli lobby if they lose in court, but this
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Speaker 2: could be tied up for a couple of years. We'll see.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, thank you for that, Patrick Vanessa, let me
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Speaker 1: welcome you to the program. And well, Jelani, our favorite terrorist,
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Speaker 1: has been in the White Ice.
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Speaker 6: It has indeed, not just Jolani, of course, but the
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Speaker 6: other founder of Al Kaeder in Syria, as Aid Alshai
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Speaker 6: Boni tech Furia, regime foreign minister, both of them at
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Speaker 6: the White House and appearing at various meetings.
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Speaker 7: So this was in the New York Times.
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Speaker 6: Syria's president meets Trump at the White House for.
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Speaker 7: The first time.
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Speaker 6: Of course, he previously met him both Henriad and on
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Speaker 6: the sidelines of the un GA conference. But just prior
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Speaker 6: to the meeting, this is what Trump said when he
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Speaker 6: was asked a question I think regarding the lifting of
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Speaker 6: sanctions on Syria.
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Speaker 7: So let's just well, we're going.
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Speaker 5: To meet, and I think he's doing a very good job.
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Speaker 5: It's a tough neighborhood and he's a tough guy. But
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Speaker 5: I got along with him very well, and a lot
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Speaker 5: of progress has been made with Syria. That's a tough one,
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Speaker 5: but a lot of progress has been made.
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Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 5: We took the sanctions off at the request of Turkey,
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Speaker 5: at the request of actually Israel, at the request of
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Speaker 5: a few different countries, and we took the sanctions off
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Speaker 5: to give them a chance.
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Speaker 6: So I hope everybody picked up on the fact that
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Speaker 6: Israel was involved in lobbying Trunk to lift the sanctions
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Speaker 6: on Syria.
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Speaker 8: We then were entertained with a video of.
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Speaker 6: Jolani and as said, Shaibani playing nothing other than basketball
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Speaker 6: with Brad Krouper, the head of Saint com and Brigadier
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Speaker 6: General Kevin Lambert, who heads up the anti ISOs coalition
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Speaker 6: in the region. Of course, we've previously seen Jolani playing
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Speaker 6: basketball in Syria shortly after a number of the massacres
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Speaker 6: that were carried out by the Al Kaeda thugs on
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Speaker 6: the coast in the south. And now, of course those
20:38
Speaker 6: massacres and slaughters, abductions, rape and abuse and torture of
20:43
Speaker 6: civilians is continuing inside Syria while all of this pomp
20:47
Speaker 6: and pageantry is happening at the White House. Interesting that
20:51
Speaker 6: a lot of people picked up on social media that
20:55
Speaker 6: Jolani entered by the back door, not by the West
21:00
Speaker 6: Wing driveway, which is the route normally taken by heads
21:04
Speaker 6: of state. He used the West Executive Avenue, apparently not
21:08
Speaker 6: quite the back door. But I understand why people were
21:11
Speaker 6: saying that it's important to note, of course, look at
21:14
Speaker 6: all the security around him, which is quite extraordinary when
21:18
Speaker 6: one looks back at President as Sad arriving obviously not
21:22
Speaker 6: in the US, but for various state visits or excursions
21:26
Speaker 6: even inside Syria during the war, when he had very scarce,
21:29
Speaker 6: scarce security around him. But it's worth remembering that the
21:34
Speaker 6: US and the majority of the international community such as
21:37
Speaker 6: it is, have not actually recognized the tech theory regime
21:41
Speaker 6: in Syria.
21:42
Speaker 8: Officially.
21:44
Speaker 6: Here we have, I mean, this is just an extraordinary
21:47
Speaker 6: picture Trump grinning inanely with Jolani stood next to him.
21:53
Speaker 7: There's a number of these images.
21:54
Speaker 6: Many people have said to me they're actually reaching a
21:57
Speaker 6: point of Jolani fatigue because the branding and promotion by
22:02
Speaker 6: the MIX and the CIA and so on is really
22:06
Speaker 6: off the scale.
22:06
Speaker 7: There were images today of him playing.
22:09
Speaker 6: Chess, which which you know, leaves a lot to the imagination.
22:13
Speaker 7: But I also just wanted to show this image.
22:16
Speaker 6: Bearing in mind that normally presidents or heads of state
22:19
Speaker 6: will sit next to Trump in any.
22:22
Speaker 7: Kind of photo show.
22:23
Speaker 6: Here, to me, they look like a series of schoolboys
22:27
Speaker 6: sat in front of the headmaster. If you look at
22:29
Speaker 6: the body language, they're interesting. Vance's direction of where he's
22:35
Speaker 6: looking seems to be looking at Jolani's shoes to check
22:38
Speaker 6: whether they're properly polished.
22:40
Speaker 8: But then if we go on to.
22:45
Speaker 6: Basically this was so, Jolani did an interview sorry with
22:48
Speaker 6: Fox News while he was there. This is just a
22:52
Speaker 6: summary by sprinter Press. Syria has declared an alliance with
22:56
Speaker 6: the US. After a meeting, the Syrian president stated that
22:59
Speaker 6: the country is becoming a geopolitical ally of the United States.
23:03
Speaker 6: He added that Washington can now invest in gas production,
23:06
Speaker 6: which is interesting because they were effectively offering that to
23:09
Speaker 6: Moscow during the Kremlin meetings. He also emphasized that the
23:13
Speaker 6: topic of his previous ties with the terrorist group Al
23:16
Speaker 6: Kader was not raised at the meeting.
23:18
Speaker 8: In an interview with Fox News, the president added.
23:20
Speaker 6: That he was not involved in the attacks on the
23:23
Speaker 6: Twin Tours on September the eleventh, and he was too
23:26
Speaker 6: young at the time.
23:27
Speaker 7: I mean that you know this. It's just I don't know.
23:31
Speaker 7: I can't find the words for it.
23:32
Speaker 8: Really important. This image, This is.
23:36
Speaker 6: Joe Lani looking rather like he'd stolen the suit from
23:39
Speaker 6: a sad wardrobe when they took over the palace.
23:42
Speaker 7: He's looking very uncomfortable in that outfit.
23:45
Speaker 6: But he's standing next to Republican congress Member Brian Master,
23:49
Speaker 6: stalwarts supporter of Trump. But also when October the seventh
23:54
Speaker 6: kicked off the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza, he came
23:58
Speaker 6: into Congress where the Israeli military uniform. He's a staunch
24:04
Speaker 6: Christian Zionist, so again the connection to Israel. Israel lobbied
24:08
Speaker 6: for sanctions to be lifted, and here is Jolani with
24:12
Speaker 6: Brian Mass but also here as a sad Shay Barney
24:14
Speaker 6: talking about his best friend, the US Secretary of State
24:18
Speaker 6: Marc Arrubio, who's probably the closest both to the Deep
24:22
Speaker 6: State and to Zioni's policy in Trump's administration, talking about
24:27
Speaker 6: lifting the restrictions on the Syrian mission and the embassy
24:32
Speaker 6: in the.
24:33
Speaker 7: US for Syria.
24:35
Speaker 6: Now, this was a comment that Trump made after the meeting,
24:39
Speaker 6: which I think is also in itself very telling.
24:42
Speaker 7: So let's just have a look at this.
24:44
Speaker 5: You can expect some announcements in Syria. We want to
24:47
Speaker 5: see Syria become a country that's very successful, and I.
24:51
Speaker 1: Think this leader can do it.
24:52
Speaker 8: I really do. I think this leader can do it.
24:55
Speaker 8: And people said he's had a rough past.
24:57
Speaker 5: We all have rough pasts, but he has past, and
25:00
Speaker 5: I think, frankly, if you didn't have a rough past,
25:02
Speaker 5: you wouldn't have a change.
25:04
Speaker 8: He gets along very well with Turkey with a rough past.
25:11
Speaker 6: I think Jolani's present is pretty rough considering the atroctees
25:17
Speaker 6: that are being committed against Syrian civilians in Syria and
25:20
Speaker 6: have been of course for the last fifteen years. And
25:23
Speaker 6: as regards Trump's rough past, we won't mention Epstein. So
25:27
Speaker 6: there were a number of summaries of what was actually
25:30
Speaker 6: discussed in the meeting. This was just one in the
25:34
Speaker 6: Italian Institute for International Political Studies, and if we just
25:38
Speaker 6: move on, I did a summary of the main points
25:40
Speaker 6: which we can now look at. So the sanctions were
25:43
Speaker 6: not actually lifted. We're being very much deceived when we're
25:46
Speaker 6: looking at media saying that Trump has lift sanctions on Syria.
25:50
Speaker 6: They've been lifted again for one hundred and eighty days
25:53
Speaker 6: or six months. The Caesar Act, which is the most
25:57
Speaker 6: draconian of the sanction measures imposed against the Syrian people
26:01
Speaker 6: as unilateral coercive measures under President are Sad, actually needs
26:08
Speaker 6: Congress approval, which is why Julani was lobbying Brian mass
26:12
Speaker 6: to get them repealed sanctions. Interestingly, despite the lifting for
26:17
Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty days, remain on Russia in Iran,
26:20
Speaker 6: which is doubly ironic as Russia actually prints has the
26:24
Speaker 6: monopoly on the printing of Syrian currency. So I'm not
26:28
Speaker 6: quite sure how that's affect that going forward. Discussion on
26:32
Speaker 6: the security agreement with Israel, which of course is heading
26:35
Speaker 6: towards normalization between Syria and Israel, which Jolani is digging
26:40
Speaker 6: his heels in about because of course that is going
26:43
Speaker 6: to turn the majority, even of his most staunch supporters
26:47
Speaker 6: against him. US are offering intel sharing, arms and technology.
26:52
Speaker 6: Don't be fooled by that, because of course, the US
26:55
Speaker 6: also offers arms and technology to the Lebanese armed forces
26:59
Speaker 6: that are are utterly incapable of defending themselves against Israel,
27:03
Speaker 6: and that would be the same situation in Syria. Syria
27:07
Speaker 6: to join the anti ISIS coalition. Again, this is cannibalization
27:14
Speaker 6: policy for Jolani because the majority of his tech theory members,
27:18
Speaker 6: particularly the foreign ones, are members of ISIS or are
27:21
Speaker 6: defecting to ISIS in the view of Jolani's more moderate policies.
27:26
Speaker 6: But also I think what's important is under this six
27:30
Speaker 6: month waiver, of course, what does this do. This creates
27:33
Speaker 6: an environment in Syria where there is unlikely to be
27:37
Speaker 6: Siia's foreign direct investment. It's risky for banks because there's
27:42
Speaker 6: potential the sanctions will be reimposed at the end of
27:44
Speaker 6: the six months if Jolani doesn't comply with Trump's demands.
27:50
Speaker 6: It leads to opaque firesale concessions, which leads of course
27:54
Speaker 6: to prices and jobs remaining static. And there's very little
27:58
Speaker 6: employment for Syria smell and debt and vulture investment. So
28:05
Speaker 6: really it's not what Trump has done is effectively not
28:08
Speaker 6: helping Syria at all. It's all semantics and image building.
28:16
Speaker 1: Thank you. Undoubtedly we'll talk more about that and extra
28:20
Speaker 1: But you got any thoughts.
28:21
Speaker 2: Well, I think maybe a cure starmer should pardon the
28:24
Speaker 2: seven to seven bombers because they had a rough past.
28:28
Speaker 2: They've had a rough past Osama bin Laden had a
28:31
Speaker 2: rough past about backer hour back, Daddy, rough past.
28:36
Speaker 1: I can't work out how someone who is the deputy
28:38
Speaker 1: leader of VICES can suddenly become part of the anti
28:42
Speaker 1: Isis coalition.
28:43
Speaker 2: If you haven't built a golf course in Dubai or
28:45
Speaker 2: you know, blown up a few cities, you really not
28:48
Speaker 2: fit to run a.
28:49
Speaker 1: Country, right, Okay, Well we'll talk more about that and
28:52
Speaker 1: extra I have no doubt. Liz Adams, welcome to the program.
28:56
Speaker 1: It's been a while since you've been on, but today
28:59
Speaker 1: we're talking about or donation.
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Speaker 8: Thanks very much, Mike. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: On Monday we saw the Telegraph around this headline which
29:07
Speaker 3: bemoaned a shortage of organ donations due to the increase
29:11
Speaker 3: in deaths at home since COVID. I wonder why that
29:14
Speaker 3: could be, but I'm not sure that what I'm going
29:17
Speaker 3: to say now it will alleviate that situation. My deep
29:21
Speaker 3: dive into the murky world of organ donation has uncovered
29:24
Speaker 3: serious ethical and safety issues the public need to be
29:27
Speaker 3: aware of. And the first is this recent change to
29:32
Speaker 3: the law on organ donation in the UK. So previously
29:35
Speaker 3: you opted in by carrying an organ donor card or
29:39
Speaker 3: your relatives were asked in the case of a sudden
29:41
Speaker 3: death or accident, and the choice was yours and your
29:44
Speaker 3: relatives alone. The new law requires you to actively opt
29:49
Speaker 3: out on the NHS organ Donation Register to avoid force
29:53
Speaker 3: donation against your family's wishes, and if you don't opt
29:57
Speaker 3: out before you die, you're considered to have consented donating
30:00
Speaker 3: your organs. This fundamentally changes how your body is viewed
30:05
Speaker 3: when you die, effectively making the state the owner of
30:08
Speaker 3: your body after your death. Now, this drastic change to
30:12
Speaker 3: the law has not been well publicized. I think many
30:15
Speaker 3: people are unaware of it or what they need to
30:17
Speaker 3: do to opt out. And the slide that you just
30:21
Speaker 3: saw shows a couple of the NHS adverts to alert
30:24
Speaker 3: the public, which I certainly hadn't seen. And then to
30:29
Speaker 3: complicate the issue, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have
30:33
Speaker 3: different legislation using different terms that all mean the same thing,
30:38
Speaker 3: So Wales was the first to bring in what they
30:41
Speaker 3: call deemed consent in December twenty fifteen. Then in May
30:46
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, England brought in an opt out system for
30:50
Speaker 3: everyone over eighteen years with capacity. In March twenty twenty, one,
30:54
Speaker 3: Scotland brought in Deemed Authorization for everyone over sixteen years
31:00
Speaker 3: sixteen years. Then in June twenty twenty three, Northern Ireland
31:04
Speaker 3: brought in the Organ and Tissue Donation Deemed Consent Act
31:07
Speaker 3: for over eighteens. Now. Interestingly, some of these laws are
31:11
Speaker 3: emotively named after children. So England has Max and Kira's Law,
31:18
Speaker 3: named after nine year old Max Johnson, who needed a
31:20
Speaker 3: heart transplant and campaigned for this opt in system, and
31:24
Speaker 3: his donor, nine year old Kira Belle. Northern Ireland has
31:29
Speaker 3: Dachi's Law, in honor of a little boy on the
31:31
Speaker 3: heart transplant waiting list since twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 9: Now.
31:35
Speaker 3: The reasons given for changing the law are firstly the
31:38
Speaker 3: shortage of organs for donation and also to allow more
31:42
Speaker 3: people to save more lives. An NHS Blood and Transplant
31:47
Speaker 3: site that in England in twenty eighteen, four hundred and
31:50
Speaker 3: eleven people died on the organ transplant waiting list, while
31:54
Speaker 3: around one thousand families refused organ donations. So they argued
31:58
Speaker 3: that changing the law would decisions easier for grieving families.
32:02
Speaker 3: There would be no decision to make, so the way
32:06
Speaker 3: the new law works in practice is that specialist nurses
32:09
Speaker 3: will speak to the family who do have a quote
32:12
Speaker 3: quote soft opt out option if no decision has been registered.
32:17
Speaker 3: But if you have given consent, your family will be
32:20
Speaker 3: encouraged to agree with your decision and crucially will have
32:24
Speaker 3: no legal right to override your decision. And we're about
32:28
Speaker 3: to see a clip from an NHS training video which
32:32
Speaker 3: shows a role played situation where the relatives of the
32:37
Speaker 3: dying patient have never heard of the change in the law.
32:40
Speaker 3: They've never discussed orban transplantation. They are shocked that the
32:43
Speaker 3: law assumes he has consented, and they appear reluctant. And
32:46
Speaker 3: I'm just going to show you the minute at the
32:48
Speaker 3: end which shows the nurse explaining how this works.
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Speaker 10: We need to make a decision today.
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Speaker 9: I don't always think about it as make a decision, because,
33:00
Speaker 9: like I said before, the way the law works now
33:02
Speaker 9: is to try and take the pressure off families that
33:05
Speaker 9: find themselves in this position on this obviously the saddest day.
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Speaker 7: So what we'll be.
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Speaker 9: Asking for is your support in helping to Phillips become
33:15
Speaker 9: a donor.
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Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know, it sounds like a good thing.
33:22
Speaker 7: I just.
33:24
Speaker 3: I just think he's been through a lot already.
33:26
Speaker 10: You know, I would have to think about it. Seem
33:35
Speaker 10: like a good idea what we have to talk about.
33:39
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll give you some time to think about it
33:41
Speaker 9: and I'll come back and answer any questions our concerns
33:44
Speaker 9: that you've got. Okay, okay, okay.
33:52
Speaker 3: So you are strongly encouraged to record your decision on
33:55
Speaker 3: the NHS organ donor register and make sure your family
33:59
Speaker 3: know you decision and that any children over the age
34:02
Speaker 3: of eighteen or sixteen in Scotland have done the same.
34:06
Speaker 3: And even if you're happy to donate, I think it's
34:08
Speaker 3: worth considering whether to opt out anyway, allowing your family
34:12
Speaker 3: to make the decision within the context at the time,
34:15
Speaker 3: rather than the state making the final decision. Now my
34:18
Speaker 3: next section may help you to make a more informed decision.
34:22
Speaker 3: Several commentators have recently raised serious concerns that organs may
34:26
Speaker 3: be being harvested from people who are not actually dead.
34:31
Speaker 3: The brain death does not mean fully dead, certainly not
34:34
Speaker 3: in the way that is commonly understood as an irreversible
34:37
Speaker 3: and permanent state in which life cannot be restored to
34:40
Speaker 3: the individual. Death used to be defined as the irreversible
34:45
Speaker 3: and permanent cessation of heartbeat and circulation. I true biological death,
34:50
Speaker 3: but this would preclude much organ donation because without a
34:54
Speaker 3: working circulation, organs, particularly the heart and lungs, degrade quickly.
35:00
Speaker 3: For historical context, in nineteen sixty seven, the world's first
35:04
Speaker 3: heart transplant was carried out by Christian Barnard using a
35:07
Speaker 3: donor with a severe brain injury. At the time, the
35:10
Speaker 3: definition of death was whole body death, so a doctor
35:13
Speaker 3: would have been expected to turn off the ventilator and
35:16
Speaker 3: wait for the heart to stop naturally before harvesting the organs.
35:21
Speaker 3: I was shocked to discover that. Decades later, it was
35:24
Speaker 3: revealed that Christian Barnard had stopped the donor's heart himself
35:28
Speaker 3: by injecting potassium chloride, killing the patient and enabling him
35:32
Speaker 3: to immediately harvest a healthy heart legally from a fully
35:36
Speaker 3: dead body. Having not disclosed this criminal act, Barnard became
35:41
Speaker 3: an international sensation and playboy, featuring on the front of
35:44
Speaker 3: Time magazine. Then the following year, in nineteen sixty eight,
35:49
Speaker 3: the Harvard Committee redefined death to include neurological criteria, with
35:54
Speaker 3: a new diagnosis of brain death defined as an irreversible
35:58
Speaker 3: coma with no respira function. They justified this expansion of
36:03
Speaker 3: the definition of death on utilitarian grounds, firstly to reduce
36:08
Speaker 3: the burden on the patient, family, hospital and society from
36:12
Speaker 3: comatose patients, and secondly to facilitate organ harvesting from patients
36:18
Speaker 3: who didn't meet the dead donor rule, the rule that
36:21
Speaker 3: you are completely dead before your organs are removed, because
36:24
Speaker 3: they still had a working circulation and biological functions. This
36:29
Speaker 3: therefore enabled healthy organs to be procured. Now, the UK
36:34
Speaker 3: currently has no statutory definition of death, but the British
36:37
Speaker 3: Transplant Society defines it as the permanent loss of the
36:41
Speaker 3: capacity for consciousness and loss of all brainstem functions, which
36:46
Speaker 3: can result from either the permanent cessation of circulation or
36:51
Speaker 3: from catastrophic brain injury leading to so called brain death. Now,
36:56
Speaker 3: donation after circulatory death actually were only requires five minutes
37:02
Speaker 3: of continuous cardio respiratory arrest to fulfill the dead donor rule,
37:07
Speaker 3: but a person is unlikely to be fully brain dead
37:10
Speaker 3: after such a short time, so it's questionable whether the
37:13
Speaker 3: situation is irreversible, and there are many cases of people
37:17
Speaker 3: being successfully resuscitated after cardiac arres for far longer than
37:21
Speaker 3: five minutes, so many argue that this constitutes a physician
37:25
Speaker 3: assisted death, violating both criminal law and the central tenet
37:29
Speaker 3: of medicine to do no harm.
37:31
Speaker 8: And then in the.
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Speaker 3: Summer of this year, Kate Chemerani, the nursing ethics campaigner
37:37
Speaker 3: and co founder of the British Nursing Alliance, began to
37:40
Speaker 3: raise the alarm the organ donation protocols in the UK
37:44
Speaker 3: are unethical and dangerous because they're based on a legal
37:47
Speaker 3: fiction that brainstem death equals death. Kate argues that neither
37:53
Speaker 3: the scientific literature nor clinical practice supports the claim that
37:57
Speaker 3: brain death is equivalent to death, that there are many
38:00
Speaker 3: corded cases of recovery in what was considered an irreversible situation.
38:05
Speaker 3: She also points out that brain dead individuals maintain heartbeat, circulation,
38:10
Speaker 3: hormonal function, and can even just state fetuses. Kate has
38:15
Speaker 3: published several excellent articles on her substack and Facebook page
38:19
Speaker 3: over the last few months that are well worth a read,
38:23
Speaker 3: and these NHS guidelines for retrieving organs from brain dead
38:27
Speaker 3: donors admit that spinal movements, which can appear quote purposeful,
38:33
Speaker 3: are reported in as many as fifty percent of brain
38:37
Speaker 3: brainstem dead patients. But doctors are reassured that this doesn't
38:41
Speaker 3: invalidate the diagnosis of death, but then disturbingly, they are
38:45
Speaker 3: encouraged to give muscle relaxance to patients prior to organ retrieval.
38:51
Speaker 3: And this paper even details the role of anethetist to
38:54
Speaker 3: provide sedation and analgesia to the donor during organ harvesting.
39:00
Speaker 3: Then in July this year, Robert F. Kennedy, Juniors HHS
39:04
Speaker 3: announced that a four year federal investigation had uncovered serious
39:09
Speaker 3: ethical and safety violations in the harvesting of organs in
39:12
Speaker 3: the US that hospital tools had quotes allowed the organ
39:16
Speaker 3: procurement process to begin when patients showed signs of life. Sexuary,
39:22
Speaker 3: Kennedy stated the entire system must be fixed to ensure
39:25
Speaker 3: that every potential donor's life is treated with the sanctity
39:29
Speaker 3: it deserves, and recently announced an agenda to reform the
39:33
Speaker 3: US organ transplant system. The federal investigation was triggered by
39:38
Speaker 3: the appalling case of Anthony TJ. Hoover, a man in
39:41
Speaker 3: his thirties who was admitted to hospital with a drug overdose.
39:45
Speaker 3: After two days of being unresponsive and being declared brain dead.
39:49
Speaker 3: His family agreed to remove life support so he could
39:52
Speaker 3: have his organ harvested, but as the procedure begun, TJ
39:56
Speaker 3: woke up and started thrashing around on the bed and
39:59
Speaker 3: visibly cried. Staff members began to protest, but it was
40:03
Speaker 3: only when the procuring surgeon refused to participate that the
40:06
Speaker 3: procedure was finally stopped and Hoover survived, although.
40:09
Speaker 7: With brain damage.
40:11
Speaker 3: Subsequent investigations into Network for Hope the Organ Procurement Service
40:16
Speaker 3: revealed three hundred and fifty one instances where donation was
40:20
Speaker 3: authorized but not completed, and of these, seventy three had
40:24
Speaker 3: neurological signs incompatible with organ donation I were not brain dead. Also,
40:31
Speaker 3: in the US, there are significant financial incentives to maximize
40:34
Speaker 3: organ and tissue harvesting, and the report described organ harvest
40:38
Speaker 3: teams as predatory, pressuring medical staff and families to expedite
40:43
Speaker 3: the procedure and shockingly, organs are even being harvested from
40:48
Speaker 3: euthanized patients in assisted dying programs in the Netherlands, Canada,
40:52
Speaker 3: and Spain. For example, in Quebec, organ donation after made
40:57
Speaker 3: increased from four point nine percent of death in twenty
41:00
Speaker 3: eighteen to fourteen percent in twenty twenty two.
41:05
Speaker 8: Then there's this.
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Speaker 1: Paper on.
41:08
Speaker 3: Liver donation from made patients, which quotes doctor James Shapiro
41:12
Speaker 3: saying that he hopes his study will allow a better
41:16
Speaker 3: understanding of the potential role of organ donation following made
41:20
Speaker 3: and how impactful it can be for saving lives of
41:23
Speaker 3: many people in their final act of generosity. And predictably
41:28
Speaker 3: this has led to calls for similar practices in the
41:31
Speaker 3: UK if the Assisted Dying Bill is passed, such as
41:36
Speaker 3: we have a I think we've got a slide of
41:38
Speaker 3: a twenty twenty five editorial in the BMJ, and we
41:43
Speaker 3: have a video clip of a former New Zealand MP
41:45
Speaker 3: speaking at the recent Assisted Dying Bill Select Committee hearing
41:49
Speaker 3: in the House of Lords last week, warning of the
41:51
Speaker 3: slippery slope that in just four years in New Zealand
41:54
Speaker 3: has led to harvesting of organs being commonplace from victims
41:58
Speaker 3: of euthanasia.
41:59
Speaker 1: So we'll roll back.
42:01
Speaker 11: A good example of that this organ donation. New Zealand
42:03
Speaker 11: now has created policies about taking organs from utilized patients.
42:09
Speaker 11: Again that was not sophistified in the law, and the
42:12
Speaker 11: sovil servants have decided to pick up that ball and
42:14
Speaker 11: run with it.
42:19
Speaker 3: Okay, and then just a quick word from the organ
42:22
Speaker 3: recipient's perspective. We are also seeing medical ethics being violated
42:26
Speaker 3: with coerce vaccination, which was brought to the attention of
42:29
Speaker 3: UK Colin by a parent of a teenager with a
42:32
Speaker 3: congenital kidney condition who will require a kidney transplant one
42:36
Speaker 3: day now. She had remained entirely unvaccinated because her parents
42:40
Speaker 3: decided it wasn't in her best interest. That decision led
42:44
Speaker 3: to harassment of the parents by doctors. They've had repeated
42:48
Speaker 3: pressure to vaccinate their daughter, and we're told she would
42:50
Speaker 3: eventually have to be vaccinated before she could have a transplant.
42:55
Speaker 3: Now it turns out that catch up vaccination is recommended,
43:00
Speaker 3: but it's not mandatory. But in practice, the recipient is
43:03
Speaker 3: not offered an organ unless they comply with the guidance.
43:07
Speaker 3: The argument being made is that it's a luxury to
43:09
Speaker 3: receive an organ, so the recipient has a duty to
43:12
Speaker 3: honor the donor's gift by complying with all the recommendations
43:16
Speaker 3: to maximize the chance of a successful transplant. And this
43:19
Speaker 3: even applies if the donor is a living donor, including
43:23
Speaker 3: the parent, So this shows it's an ideological and not
43:26
Speaker 3: a scientific position. So I just want to finish with
43:29
Speaker 3: good news from Texas where they have actually passed a
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Speaker 3: bill very recently in September House Bill four zero seven
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Speaker 3: six which explicitly prohibits Texan hospitals from denying organ transplants
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Speaker 3: based solely on a patient's vaccination status, and hopefully we
43:48
Speaker 3: can get a similar challenge here in the US.
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Speaker 7: It's in the UK.
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Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you, Liz, thank you very much for that.
43:55
Speaker 1: Just a quick reminder, one more background to this. We
44:00
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Totness in the Seven Stars Hotel on Friday.
45:39
Speaker 1: And on Saturday, Cumbre Against Government Portrayal is going to
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Speaker 1: so on to join for that, Oka, Patrick, let's move
45:57
Speaker 1: on to Berlin and well Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Use Well, if you've been watching social media my TikTok,
46:04
Speaker 2: instagram x, you'll see the German police have been quite
46:07
Speaker 2: thuggish with demonstrators who are opposing Israel's genocide in Gaza. Here,
46:14
Speaker 2: so this is up in Germany. We'll bring this up
46:17
Speaker 2: on screen German High Court, Mike. So this is in
46:19
Speaker 2: the High Court and this is an issue of free speech,
46:21
Speaker 2: so they're going aftertin pro Palestinian demonstrators. Here. Now, someone
46:26
Speaker 2: who is on the program before, YadA Madarelli. She is
46:29
Speaker 2: a journalist, she is based in Europe. She was there
46:32
Speaker 2: at the court proceedings and she did an excellent piece
46:35
Speaker 2: to camera along with her other colleague from the Global
46:38
Speaker 2: Summut flotilla. And so we'll look at that report real
46:43
Speaker 2: quick and we have a quick comment. But here here
46:45
Speaker 2: is the outside of the court hearings, and she'll explain
46:48
Speaker 2: what this is all about.
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Speaker 4: I'm here at a Berlin court house where we just
46:52
Speaker 4: observed a historic hearing where for the very first time
46:56
Speaker 4: a Palestinian solidarity activist is being tried not in a
47:00
Speaker 4: local court as usual, but in a higher state court.
47:04
Speaker 4: The state has escalated this case by labeling the political
47:08
Speaker 4: slogan from the River to the Sea Palestine will be
47:11
Speaker 4: Free as terrorist propaganda. This label turns a case about
47:15
Speaker 4: free expression into a dangerous legal precedent that could affect
47:19
Speaker 4: thousands of existing cases and in turn further criminalize any
47:24
Speaker 4: solidarity with Palestine. It's increasingly clear that Berlin is rapidly
47:29
Speaker 4: descending into full fledged fascism, where the state not only
47:33
Speaker 4: suppresses descent, but actively rewrites the meaning of justice. Those
47:38
Speaker 4: who speak out against a genocide and raise their voices
47:42
Speaker 4: for human rights are punished, while war criminals are protected.
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Speaker 12: This case is not just about one person, It's about
47:50
Speaker 12: a broader effort to silence and ntire movement to make
47:54
Speaker 12: the defense of Palestinian life itself a crime. We're living
47:58
Speaker 12: in an upside down reality where peaceful protesters and human
48:01
Speaker 12: rights advocates are prosecuted while Benjamin Natanyahu and his cabinet
48:06
Speaker 12: of war criminals continue their war crimes without consequence. This
48:10
Speaker 12: entire process was deliberately to construct it to guarantee ad
48:14
Speaker 12: biased outcome. The case was arranged so that it would
48:18
Speaker 12: land before a specific judge, one who already holds a
48:22
Speaker 12: clear political position on Palistine. Every step of the legal
48:26
Speaker 12: process here reveals a system designed not for justice but
48:30
Speaker 12: for conviction. Today's case is a clear violation of few
48:34
Speaker 12: process and of the most basic principle of justice.
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Speaker 4: Germany can silence and distort the truth all they want,
48:42
Speaker 4: but the world stands with Palestine and the people will
48:45
Speaker 4: not allow the struggle for freedom and equality to be criminalized.
48:51
Speaker 4: Justice for Palestine is justice for all, from the river
48:54
Speaker 4: to the sea. Palestine will be free.
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Speaker 1: Taken lessons from the British.
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Speaker 2: Then, well, there's gonna be ten more court appearances in
49:04
Speaker 2: this High Court. We'll get a follow up from Yara
49:07
Speaker 2: as two results that there, her colleague there, from the
49:09
Speaker 2: Global Samooth Flotilla crew member Kobra Sinar who joined her there.
49:14
Speaker 2: And it's great to see the Global Flotilla crew Mike
49:17
Speaker 2: on the ground on land and they'll be promoting BDS
49:21
Speaker 2: sanctions against Israel and following these free speech issues here.
49:25
Speaker 2: But we'll go back to London and thank you to
49:29
Speaker 2: YadA and her colleague for that report. Back to London.
49:32
Speaker 2: Here Bob Villain, you remember Glastonbury, This was over the summer.
49:37
Speaker 2: Here is the British rapper Bob Villain, and he had
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Speaker 2: a show in kentish Town last night, and of course
49:43
Speaker 2: the media were going crazy. How could this be allowed?
49:46
Speaker 2: Bob Villain's welcome in Canaden according to these activist groups here,
49:50
Speaker 2: so they have kind of a welcoming party for him
49:52
Speaker 2: at his gig. I think it was at the Kentish
49:55
Speaker 2: Town Forum there. But an incredible scene and of course
49:59
Speaker 2: there's the react mike from the Telegraph. As you can imagine,
50:02
Speaker 2: Starmer ignores calls to block Bob Villain performance in his constituency.
50:07
Speaker 2: So what I call the woke right here at the
50:10
Speaker 2: Telegraph going for cancelation, limiting free speech, all the things
50:14
Speaker 2: they railed against the radical left and the woke for
50:17
Speaker 2: they're doing themselves. Of course, no surprise there. But we'll
50:20
Speaker 2: bring on some of the scenes from that night here
50:23
Speaker 2: courtesy of our colleagues from elmi Adine TV from Musa,
50:29
Speaker 2: and we'll look at the scenes here. You can see
50:31
Speaker 2: some incredible scenes here. This is outside. You'll see some
50:34
Speaker 2: of the crowd for me, so it's kind of a
50:36
Speaker 2: symbolic demonstration and solidarity with Palestine. That's what's happened with
50:41
Speaker 2: Bob Villain. He's turned into a kind of phenomenon. So
50:44
Speaker 2: the more they censor him, the more they tried to
50:46
Speaker 2: shut him down, the more popular this guy gets. And
50:50
Speaker 2: so he basically famously said at Glastonbury death death to
50:53
Speaker 2: the idef. We're in London, Cockney, Death to the Idea,
50:58
Speaker 2: And apparently that was the big sort of controversy here,
51:02
Speaker 2: and so you can see people will show in a minute.
51:04
Speaker 2: People have t shirts with that slogan on it, and
51:06
Speaker 2: apparently they're just the Israeli and pro Jewish organizations. They're
51:13
Speaker 2: very upset about this show being allowed to happen in London,
51:17
Speaker 2: and a lot of people are saying they're feeling unsafe
51:20
Speaker 2: and so forth. So it's amazing how this has developed
51:23
Speaker 2: into kind of a phenomenon here. But we have some
51:26
Speaker 2: vox pops here from outside the gig, and there's that
51:31
Speaker 2: that's the Israeli counter demonstration, as you can see Mike
51:34
Speaker 2: right there up on screen and not very big, but
51:38
Speaker 2: they're sort of the police were there to kind of
51:40
Speaker 2: break them up. But here here's a few some react
51:44
Speaker 2: couple of reactions real quickly from and a courtesy to
51:47
Speaker 2: al Mayodine TV for this footage as well. But here
51:50
Speaker 2: we'll take a look at these vox pops.
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Speaker 1: I'm where this T shirt because it's polling to that
51:58
Speaker 1: Jener sat down as meant to be the most aggressive
52:03
Speaker 1: and so called best mansion on the most the most democratic,
52:07
Speaker 1: but the other onans commit genocide. Wedds T shirt to
52:10
Speaker 1: pull for.
52:20
Speaker 2: There you go and you can see that was the
52:22
Speaker 2: journalist there the reporter Musa an excellent journalist with Almin
52:26
Speaker 2: Dein covering that story. So an interesting update from London.
52:30
Speaker 2: A lot of people are interested in what's happening with
52:32
Speaker 2: Bob Villin. He was in Torquay recently, had a couple
52:35
Speaker 2: sold out gigs there just at the tail end of
52:38
Speaker 2: the summer, increasingly popular and after being canceled.
52:42
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, thank you for that, Vanessa. Let's come back
52:45
Speaker 1: to you then and back to Syria. And the question
52:48
Speaker 1: is are they the new Syrian regime looking for money
52:52
Speaker 1: from the i m F.
52:55
Speaker 6: Well, this is a very interesting scenario. Jolani mat with
52:59
Speaker 6: the IMF while he was meeting with Trump, but only
53:03
Speaker 6: a couple of weeks ago. The Takfiri regime finance Minister.
53:09
Speaker 6: This was reported in al Mayer Dean. Syria is not
53:13
Speaker 6: seeking IMF or World Bank loans, said the Interim Finance Minister.
53:18
Speaker 6: So let's have a look at what he actually says.
53:21
Speaker 6: Bearing in mind that this was following on, of course,
53:24
Speaker 6: from Jolani and Shobanni's visit to Moscow, which was followed
53:28
Speaker 6: up with a visit by the Defense minister also to Moscow,
53:33
Speaker 6: which led to Russia potentially being able to expand its
53:37
Speaker 6: paces into Hamsenhoma, which we reported last week in Syria
53:41
Speaker 6: Central Syria. So basically, at the end of this meeting
53:46
Speaker 6: in Moscow, the finance minister was talking about hope in
53:50
Speaker 6: Syria Russian relations, and of course that includes grain supply,
53:55
Speaker 6: potential weapons supply, the printing of Syrian currency, which is
53:59
Speaker 6: done by an organization Russian organization called Goznak.
54:04
Speaker 7: And so therefore things.
54:06
Speaker 6: Were looking, let's say, very rosy for relations between Syria
54:10
Speaker 6: and Russia. But look what then happened during Julani's visit
54:15
Speaker 6: to the White House. Suddenly reported in the Syrian Arab
54:21
Speaker 6: News agency, which is now totally aligned, of course with
54:24
Speaker 6: the tach Fury regime. IMF is ready to support Syria's
54:29
Speaker 6: economic recovery. Christalina georgevo who heads up the IMF, and
54:34
Speaker 6: here's a video of Jolani entering his meeting with the
54:39
Speaker 6: IMF in New York.
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Speaker 7: Mister President, welcome to the IMA.
55:17
Speaker 6: So it seems really to me that Trump is now
55:20
Speaker 6: stepping in to ensure that Moscow doesn't get too.
55:23
Speaker 7: Much influence in Syria.
55:25
Speaker 6: Though of course Russia would not be able to maintain
55:27
Speaker 6: its spaces in Syria and expand them without Washington oversight,
55:34
Speaker 6: Israel having lobbied, of course for Russia to remain to
55:37
Speaker 6: prevent Turkish expansionism into Syrian territory. But let's have a
55:42
Speaker 6: look at what the Italian Institute had actually sad about
55:47
Speaker 6: the fact that they're talking about sanctions.
55:49
Speaker 7: But then of course they go on to talk about.
55:53
Speaker 6: Talks whether IMF Managing director Chris Delina or Java is
55:57
Speaker 6: to open Syria's long close state dominated economy. Of course,
56:01
Speaker 6: Jolani has headed very much into the crony capitalist system,
56:05
Speaker 6: bringing in majority family members and son to run the
56:09
Speaker 6: economy in Syria to attract international investment to a country
56:13
Speaker 6: devastated by fourteen years of war. Of course, waged by
56:17
Speaker 6: the very entities that Jorlani was meeting with in the US.
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Speaker 8: Now this is fascinating to me.
56:24
Speaker 6: Rebuilding of Syria after fourteen years' war will require over
56:29
Speaker 6: two hundred billion, which is to be compared to Gaza
56:34
Speaker 6: sixty five billion after two years of genocide escalated genocide
56:40
Speaker 6: by the Zionist entity. Now what is interesting about this.
56:46
Speaker 6: The biggest current World Bank and IMF debt is Argentina
56:51
Speaker 6: forty one point eight billion. Syria is intended to be
56:55
Speaker 6: two hundred billion. This is an indicative of the importance
57:01
Speaker 6: of keeping Syria completely enslaved to foreign debt, basically weakening
57:08
Speaker 6: Syria not only militarily and from a sovereignty perspective partitioning it,
57:14
Speaker 6: but also keeping it under the most heavy debt enslavement.
57:20
Speaker 6: And just again on the subject of Moscow and Trump
57:27
Speaker 6: vying for influence in Syria. This was an interfere at
57:32
Speaker 6: Al Adabir English with Robert Ford, of course, the former
57:36
Speaker 6: US ambassadad to Syria, involved in the rebranding of Jilani
57:40
Speaker 6: into the now perceived political opposition and of course now
57:45
Speaker 6: unelected President of Syria, and of course Ford was responsible
57:51
Speaker 6: for facilitating the deathwards in the early days of the
57:54
Speaker 6: so called peaceful uprising in Syria. But here he is
57:58
Speaker 6: actually talking about the the competition between Russia and the
58:03
Speaker 6: US in Syria.
58:05
Speaker 7: So let's play this.
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Speaker 13: Shada was just in Moscow recently and talked about, for example,
58:13
Speaker 13: security arrangements, military equipment and such things, and also the
58:18
Speaker 13: possibility of Russian involvement in the reconstruction of Syria's oil
58:24
Speaker 13: and power sectors. So it's not right to say that
58:29
Speaker 13: the relationship between Syria and Russia is entirely cast aside
58:34
Speaker 13: or marginalized. But I think Shada understands that American and
58:40
Speaker 13: Western capabilities to help Syria a get past sanctions and
58:47
Speaker 13: b bring in private investment working with Gulf states is
58:52
Speaker 13: far greater than anything Russia can do for Syria economically.
58:59
Speaker 8: So the gauntline is very clearly thrown down.
59:02
Speaker 6: But of course the Syrian people benefit from neither having
59:06
Speaker 6: dominant in Syria.
59:09
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Vanessa, thank you for that. We're
59:12
Speaker 1: just going to finish off today with a little bit
59:15
Speaker 1: of a round up of the conscription situation around Europe
59:19
Speaker 1: and the world, because of course this has been a
59:21
Speaker 1: topic that's been discussed in the UK in recent months
59:25
Speaker 1: and years. So first of all, here we've got Germany,
59:29
Speaker 1: because four weeks ago there was a bit of an
59:32
Speaker 1: uproar within the German administration because the Defense Minister found
59:37
Speaker 1: himself up against his own parliamentary group. This is because
59:40
Speaker 1: he was trying to reach a target of five thousand
59:43
Speaker 1: new recruits per year, but they had, you know, it
59:47
Speaker 1: was basically impossible to do that just through voluntary recruitment
59:51
Speaker 1: as it were. So they had come up with the
59:53
Speaker 1: idea that in order to meet the natal goal of
59:55
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty thousand active soldiers by twenty thirty
59:58
Speaker 1: five two hundred thousand reservists, that they would have to
1:00:02
Speaker 1: bring in some form of mandatory recruitment for German youth.
1:00:07
Speaker 1: And so the SPD opposed this idea and they were
1:00:13
Speaker 1: proposing instead to have some kind of questionnaire based volunteer system.
1:00:18
Speaker 1: So this argument was going on for the last four weeks,
1:00:21
Speaker 1: and then they came up with a proposal to run
1:00:24
Speaker 1: a lottery scheme and in this case eighteen year olds
1:00:28
Speaker 1: will be drafted through a lottery based selection process. But
1:00:32
Speaker 1: then the Ministry of Justice in Germany raised constitutional objections
1:00:38
Speaker 1: to the use of a lottery, and so the current
1:00:41
Speaker 1: plan now sees mandatory registration for all adult men eighteen
1:00:46
Speaker 1: and above starting in twenty twenty seven, and that then
1:00:50
Speaker 1: that will give them an overall picture of what they've
1:00:53
Speaker 1: got potentially there, and they'll make a decision as to
1:00:55
Speaker 1: who's going to end up being conscripted after that. So
1:00:58
Speaker 1: they're still working on it. It looks like they're coming
1:01:00
Speaker 1: to some conclusion on that one. But then we move
1:01:04
Speaker 1: to Croatia and they have now reintroduced mandatory military service.
1:01:10
Speaker 1: This is following the end of conscription in two thousand
1:01:13
Speaker 1: and eight, but they have now voted to restart it again.
1:01:18
Speaker 1: Then we go to Sweetened here because they have announced
1:01:24
Speaker 1: what they're describing as in this article here in defense
1:01:27
Speaker 1: industry europe as record defense budget, and some of this
1:01:32
Speaker 1: money includes money for conscripted personnel. They get an extra
1:01:38
Speaker 1: bonus by end of the fact that being conscripted, and
1:01:41
Speaker 1: they're also piling a lot more money into the agency
1:01:45
Speaker 1: which is there to conscript people in the first place.
1:01:51
Speaker 1: We mentioned actually some time ago that Finland is already
1:01:54
Speaker 1: actually running a conscription mechanism here and to this Metro
1:01:59
Speaker 1: article talking about inside the Finnish army base where young
1:02:03
Speaker 1: scripts prepare for war. So that's already a thing in
1:02:05
Speaker 1: Finland and Finland sorry, and in Poland, of course they
1:02:10
Speaker 1: already encourage or force people to run some kind of
1:02:15
Speaker 1: military service in their youth. But these they're looking at
1:02:19
Speaker 1: those people then becoming part of a conscription mechanism there
1:02:23
Speaker 1: as well.
1:02:25
Speaker 2: Poland is the most important country of all of these
1:02:27
Speaker 2: because they're being used as the basically spearhead of NATO's
1:02:31
Speaker 2: operation against Russia and really relying on that anti Russian
1:02:35
Speaker 2: sentiment in Poland and so but they can't mobilize because
1:02:40
Speaker 2: it's not very popular in Poland to want to go
1:02:43
Speaker 2: die just for the sort of you know, collective ego
1:02:46
Speaker 2: of NATO in the EU.
1:02:48
Speaker 1: Well indeed, and I don't think it's popular in any
1:02:50
Speaker 1: of these countries. But anyway, just to see one country
1:02:55
Speaker 1: that's thinking a little bit outside the box here because
1:02:58
Speaker 1: they don't want to use the word conscription or whatever.
1:03:00
Speaker 1: For the reason for it is just briefly, to look
1:03:02
Speaker 1: at Canada. Their military is going to rely on an
1:03:04
Speaker 1: army of public services, according to this servant, sorry, according
1:03:08
Speaker 1: to this article in Ottawa Citizen. So basically they want
1:03:12
Speaker 1: to boost their ranks by three hundred thousand, so they're
1:03:14
Speaker 1: going to anybody that's a civil servant will basically have
1:03:17
Speaker 1: a gun thrust into their hands and be sent on
1:03:19
Speaker 1: a training course.
1:03:21
Speaker 2: It's a huge percentage of the Canadian population, by the way,
1:03:24
Speaker 2: to have a standing force like that. And what's that for?
1:03:25
Speaker 2: Is that for Trump's invasion of Canada. We're not certain.
1:03:29
Speaker 1: We're not certain. I mean, who knows, but I mean
1:03:32
Speaker 1: we're just I mean, it was a grand Shop said
1:03:34
Speaker 1: we've moved from a post war world to being a
1:03:37
Speaker 1: pre war world. This is clearly ramping up in a
1:03:40
Speaker 1: bad direction.
1:03:41
Speaker 2: I mean, we had in America we have selective service.
1:03:43
Speaker 2: When I was eighteen, nineteen eighty eight, I got a
1:03:45
Speaker 2: birthday card from the government with a candle on it
1:03:47
Speaker 2: and beautiful picture and you have to sign the back
1:03:50
Speaker 2: saying you register for the draft. Now they haven't activated
1:03:53
Speaker 2: the draft, but everyone has to have a registration so
1:03:57
Speaker 2: they can activate it at any time. That was a
1:03:59
Speaker 2: big red moment for me at eighteen years old, because
1:04:02
Speaker 2: I was the height of the anti Vietnam War protests
1:04:05
Speaker 2: and all these films like a Platoon coming out with
1:04:07
Speaker 2: Oliver Stone, and you really had to think I do
1:04:10
Speaker 2: I want to go into a Vietnam situation. I was
1:04:13
Speaker 2: just getting out of high school and dancer was clearly no.
1:04:17
Speaker 2: And I think everybody probably in my class and my
1:04:20
Speaker 2: school agreed with me, and probably that was pretty common
1:04:23
Speaker 2: across the country. But it is the system, like having
1:04:26
Speaker 2: the registration system in place, that's the first step.
1:04:30
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So we will keep reporting on this as time
1:04:34
Speaker 1: goes on. Seth, I want to say thank you very
1:04:36
Speaker 1: much to Vanessa and Liz and to Patrick for joining
1:04:39
Speaker 1: me today and for you for watching. We'll be back
1:04:42
Speaker 1: in a few minutes on the live stream. It for
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Speaker 1: your UK column member for some UK col news extra.
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Speaker 1: Don't forget Jerry mccarl tonight. We've got an interview going
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Speaker 1: out at one pm tomorrow, and join us at one
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