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IFH 775 - Breaking Into Hollywood: The Power of Authentic Connections and Creative Vision with Jameson Parker · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 4: So In this week's episodisode, my guest is a producer
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  Speaker 4: of the Summer of eighty four and it's currently producing
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  Speaker 4: the upcoming series Julie and the Phantoms, which is set
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  Speaker 4: to release in twenty twenty. He's a development director at
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  Speaker 4: Brightlight Pictures. Without further ado with guests Jamison Parker.
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  Speaker 5: I started as an actor. I spent a lot of
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  Speaker 5: time as a kid wanting to be an actor and
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  Speaker 5: was in theater through high school and I went to
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  Speaker 5: school for it. I went to college for it up
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  Speaker 5: here in Vancouver, did a big conservatory theater program at
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  Speaker 5: the University of British Columbia. I worked for a long
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  Speaker 5: time in professional theater in Canada. Well, I guess a
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  Speaker 5: couple of five, six years a long time, and then
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  Speaker 5: wanted to start making my own work and thought, you know,
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  Speaker 5: if I'm going to do this, if I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: like produce my own work, I want to learn how
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  Speaker 5: to do it properly. So, you know, started putting a
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  Speaker 5: few things together. Met Sean Williamson who Bright Light, and
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  Speaker 5: just to ask them, hey, look, how do you how
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  Speaker 5: have you been doing it? You've been doing it for
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  Speaker 5: a long time. How do I get to where you are?
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  Speaker 5: And he took me under his wing and showed me
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  Speaker 5: how to produce properly and gave me the the tools
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  Speaker 5: to go out and find material and start producing stuff
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  Speaker 5: for bright Light, and the rest just kind of took
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  Speaker 5: off and all of us, all of a sudden, I'm here, uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, with a couple of movies under my belt
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  Speaker 5: and excited for more and a couple of things on
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  Speaker 5: the horizon and working on my first TV show now.
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  Speaker 5: So it's it's been it's been an incredible ride with
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  Speaker 5: Bright Light over the past. I've been with them now
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  Speaker 5: for five years.
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  Speaker 3: So do you think that's still that still happens.
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  Speaker 4: It's almost like an apprenticeship, you know, when you're you're
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  Speaker 4: able to approach Sean, you know, you know a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the the you know, when you the internships you
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  Speaker 4: hear about, they don't really kind of lead anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Did Do you think he kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Like you almost struck gold by by forming that relationship
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  Speaker 4: and you just kind of were in the right place
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  Speaker 4: at the right time.
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  Speaker 5: I think so, man, I think that there I think
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of people who still believe in that
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  Speaker 5: kind of formation, the apprenticeship kind of formation. I think
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  Speaker 5: that there are few and farther between. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: there are a lot of internship opportunities out there, especially
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  Speaker 5: in LA that don't lead to anything. The way that
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  Speaker 5: I came to Bright Light was a little unconventional, But
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  Speaker 5: I do think that I did luck out by meeting
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  Speaker 5: Sean and and and him taking me under his wing here.
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  Speaker 5: But then you know, I saw the opportunity and jumped
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  Speaker 5: on it. And there's been a few people who have
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  Speaker 5: been given this same opportunity here at the company that
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  Speaker 5: I've seen falter and you know, not make the most
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  Speaker 5: of it. So I think it's a little bit like
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  Speaker 5: I got lucky but also really wanted to capitalize on
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  Speaker 5: what was given to me. And so, yeah, it's tough.
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  Speaker 5: It's tough to form those relationships that are actually meaningful
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  Speaker 5: and somebody who genuinely cares about bringing up young producers
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  Speaker 5: and writers and directors and has the ability to do so.
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  Speaker 5: You know, usually those people who can make a real
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  Speaker 5: difference in your life are so hard to get a
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  Speaker 5: hold of and so hard to pin down in their time.
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  Speaker 5: I was pretty relentless with Sean, so in the beginning,
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  Speaker 5: just kind of knocking on his door and knocking on
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  Speaker 5: his door, and eventually he had to had to schedule
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  Speaker 5: a coffee with me.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's kind of like the catch twenty two.
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  Speaker 4: You know, usually the people you want to meet are
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  Speaker 4: too busy actually making things, and the reason you want
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  Speaker 4: to meet them is because they're actually making things.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think, you know, you kind of have
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  Speaker 5: to look. I've and asked that question a lot like
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  Speaker 5: how do I, you know, how do I break in?
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  Speaker 5: How do I find those people? And it's like, well,
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  Speaker 5: look at your look at the people in your life
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  Speaker 5: and your circle of influence, and see what the six
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  Speaker 5: degrees of separation are to somebody. Make it personal and
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  Speaker 5: try and work those routes. I met Sean because his
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  Speaker 5: son went to the same high school as I did,
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  Speaker 5: but years after me, and one of my old teachers
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  Speaker 5: was like, Hey, I know you're doing this. Would you
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  Speaker 5: like to meet Sean? And I said I would love to,
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  Speaker 5: And so I kind of lucked out that way. But
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  Speaker 5: it's been the same with other mentors in my life.
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  Speaker 5: A gentleman by the name of Todd Black. Todd runs
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  Speaker 5: a company called Escape Artists and they do you know,
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  Speaker 5: they did The Upside and The Equalizer movies, and he's
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  Speaker 5: been an incredibly successful producer for many, many years. And
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  Speaker 5: I was introduced to Todd through a friend just kind
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  Speaker 5: of the same thing, you should meet this person, and
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  Speaker 5: Todd has been incredibly generous with his time and it's
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  Speaker 5: been a very very cool working relationship. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 5: think it's there are opportunities out there, you just kind
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  Speaker 5: of have to really dig to seek them out sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's very true.
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  Speaker 4: And you know you mentioned breaking in, which you know
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  Speaker 4: I was, which is in my notes to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, since you actually brought it up, you know, what,
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  Speaker 4: what advice do you have.
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  Speaker 3: For breaking in?
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  Speaker 4: Because you hear all these you know, there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of different theories or recommendations or advice that you hear
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  Speaker 4: out there about how to break in. Some people say
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  Speaker 4: do it with the specscripts. Some people say do it
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  Speaker 4: with a making a short film. Some people say maybe
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  Speaker 4: even start with an apprenticeship, as the old way was
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  Speaker 4: kind of like that.
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  Speaker 3: So so what do you what do you feel on that, Jamison?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, look at I think it's it's uh, there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of advice out there because there's a million
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  Speaker 5: different ways that you can do it, and I think
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  Speaker 5: what really helps is self awareness and figuring out, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: this is what I want to do, this is where
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  Speaker 5: I want to be, and these are the tools at
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  Speaker 5: my disposal. You know, some people won't be as lucky
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  Speaker 5: and won't have you know, one or two degrees of
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  Speaker 5: separation from somebody who will give them the time. And
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  Speaker 5: then I think you need to work on your craft
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  Speaker 5: hone your craft, go out and also go out and
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  Speaker 5: meet those people, but not in a like very obviously
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  Speaker 5: networky way. I'm so opposed to that word. I need
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  Speaker 5: to go on network because it's not about networking. It's
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  Speaker 5: about forming real human relationships with people and finding things
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  Speaker 5: that you have in common and that maybe film, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it may be film, it may not, but creating real
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  Speaker 5: relationships with people and understanding what your point of view
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  Speaker 5: is like the number one thing I think to break
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  Speaker 5: in there's just a lot of white noise out there.
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  Speaker 5: And then I always go back to the Duplas brothers,
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  Speaker 5: Always go back to the Duplas brothers, Mark and Jay,
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  Speaker 5: who would always say, just keep making shit, just keep
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  Speaker 5: making shit. The cavalry isn't coming. The cavalry isn't coming.
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  Speaker 5: And they were like, the first short films that you
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  Speaker 5: make will be terrible, and then you'll make a few
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  Speaker 5: that are just a little less terrible, and then they
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  Speaker 5: get less and less terrible until it's something passable. So
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  Speaker 5: keep you know, it's there's an element of perseverance that
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  Speaker 5: kind of permeates everybody's story. There's every success story, there
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  Speaker 5: is this, yeah, this element of perseverance and banging your
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  Speaker 5: head against the wall until the brick cracks. You know
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  Speaker 5: it is I feel that a lot too.
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  Speaker 4: So Jamison, you know you mentioned networking. You know, do
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  Speaker 4: you ever go to any of these networking events, because
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure you get invited to like ten thousand events,
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  Speaker 4: you know a month is there.
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  Speaker 4: Do you ever go to any of these events and
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  Speaker 4: you just kind of feel that, you know, maybe sometimes
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  Speaker 4: these aren't the best approach to this, do you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, I get invited to a few. I mean
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  Speaker 5: Vancouver's community is a lot smaller than Los Angeles when
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  Speaker 5: I when I'm in LA, Like I split my time
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  Speaker 5: between between Vancouver and Los Angeles. When I'm in LA,
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of invites and there's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: these things, and I think it's about choosing the right
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  Speaker 5: ones when you get to a certain point, Like there
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  Speaker 5: is a value there for sure to just to be
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  Speaker 5: around people and to meet people. But I actually I
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  Speaker 5: actually have a great success story from from these networking events.
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  Speaker 5: Where there's one in Los Angeles called the Little Black
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  Speaker 5: Book event, and I think it's phenomenal, lots of lots
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  Speaker 5: of junior executives. People are great companies, who are doing
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  Speaker 5: cool things, who are you know, really really hungry and passionate.
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  Speaker 5: Go to this event and I was taken to it
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  Speaker 5: by another producer of bright Light, like three maybe more
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  Speaker 5: years ago, and that is actually where I met first
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  Speaker 5: met Matt Leslie who wrote Summer of eighty four. When
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  Speaker 5: he first pitched me Summer was that one of these
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  Speaker 5: networking events. And so I have a really great relationship
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  Speaker 5: with them, and you know, have seen direct success come
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  Speaker 5: out of it. So I do believe in spending your time,
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  Speaker 5: which is your capital, spending your time on doing these things,
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  Speaker 5: going to south By Southwest, going to can going to
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  Speaker 5: Toronto if you can, and going to these festivals and
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  Speaker 5: meeting people and swapping ideas and stories, and yeah, I
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  Speaker 5: think there's a great advantage to them being a part
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  Speaker 5: of a community.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, that's fantastic, Like you were able to
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  Speaker 4: actually meet the writer of Summer of eighty four there,
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  Speaker 4: so you know, what, what are some of the you
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  Speaker 4: know kind of like, what what did he do that
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  Speaker 4: was actually you know right, or just.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of what did he do that didn't seem you know, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know what I mean, when you go to a lot
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  Speaker 4: of these network events, some people just screamed desperation and
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  Speaker 4: then yes, and then if you're really unlucky, you meet
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  Speaker 4: somebody like me there and you're like, oh god, I'm
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  Speaker 4: never going to these things again.
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  Speaker 3: But but uh.
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  Speaker 4: But you know when you see all these people there,
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  Speaker 4: and some of these people just so just like I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they're they're just ready to latch onto anybody for anything,
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  Speaker 4: You're like, WHOA, Well.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, it's so so what was
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  Speaker 3: the way that you were approached?
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  Speaker 4: You know that that was actually where where you were like,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, I actually want to hear this pitch.
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  Speaker 5: Matt is really Matt is a really down to earth guy,
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  Speaker 5: and we just spoke in a very human way. We
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  Speaker 5: just kind of and that's kind of what I love.
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  Speaker 5: Like it's not so focused I get out of this interaction,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and it's less about having a real human
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  Speaker 5: connection than it is about what can I what kind
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  Speaker 5: of transactional piece can I pull from this person? And
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  Speaker 5: you know, Matt is was, uh and always will be
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  Speaker 5: a very engaging person who is super passionate about his
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  Speaker 5: work but has a. He does have a confidence to
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  Speaker 5: him that you go, this is an off putting it all,
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  Speaker 5: which is great. And so that was you know, we
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  Speaker 5: had a real, a real conversation and you can kind
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  Speaker 5: of tell, Okay, this is a guy that you know,
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  Speaker 5: not only do I want to read his script, but
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  Speaker 5: I also want to hang out with him more. And
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  Speaker 5: Matt and I have become great friends over the years.
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  Speaker 5: I am such a big, big fan of his. So
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  Speaker 5: it's I don't know, it was something very just normal
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  Speaker 5: about it and less transactional, which is what really turns
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  Speaker 5: people off.
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  Speaker 4: So did some of the advice that like Sean gave
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  Speaker 4: you helped to kind of like, did you know, kind
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  Speaker 4: of decipher some of that meaning?
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  Speaker 3: You know, when you're you're listening to a pitch, you know,
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  Speaker 3: is this idea fully realized? Can you envision this in
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  Speaker 3: your head? You know? Can you see the poster?
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  Speaker 5: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: You know, would this be even marketable?
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  Speaker 5: You know? Uh?
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  Speaker 4: And not only here in America, but you know overseas
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  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. Is that some of the things
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  Speaker 4: that went through your head when you're hearing the pitch.
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  Speaker 5: Honestly, it was just a movie that I wanted to see.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to see a lot of those things, like
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  Speaker 5: you know, can you see the poster, can you see
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  Speaker 5: the trailer? Is it going to do well overseas? Like
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  Speaker 5: that is? Those are notes from studio execs and and
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  Speaker 5: it's it's tough because we don't you know, we don't
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  Speaker 5: have a marketing department here, we don't have h distribution arm,
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  Speaker 5: we don't have a foreign sales arm here. So yes,
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  Speaker 5: we have an understanding of the market and kind of
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  Speaker 5: hope that we fit within that. But I mean, my
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  Speaker 5: philosophy has always been more about what movies I want
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  Speaker 5: to make rather than what movies the market wants to see.
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  Speaker 5: I kind of feel like if you chase that, if
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  Speaker 5: you chase what's doing well in the marketplace, you're always
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  Speaker 5: going to be behind the eight ball, you know what
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  Speaker 5: I mean. And you get things like Gemini Man, and
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  Speaker 5: you get things like what was the Big Terminator Dark
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  Speaker 5: Fate that bombs at the box office, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: you're responding more to a market than to a great
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  Speaker 5: story or a really cool piece of acting and casting
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  Speaker 5: in something. And when he pitched me Summer, it was
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  Speaker 5: I could see the movie, I understood what it was,
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  Speaker 5: and I grew up loving those films that he referenced
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  Speaker 5: the Goonies stand by me, disturbing a rear window was
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  Speaker 5: a big one. Was a big influence for us and
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  Speaker 5: for them on the script. Like but it was really
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  Speaker 5: when he sent me the look book that I was like,
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  Speaker 5: oh shit, this, I have to I have to read
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  Speaker 5: the script immediately. That was that was a big one
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  Speaker 5: for that movie that I was like, this is really cool.
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  Speaker 3: You know when you.
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  Speaker 4: See these movies that come out like Gemini, Man, you
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  Speaker 4: mentioned Terminator, you know, it seems to be that that's
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  Speaker 4: what the studios are always chasing. It's either the big
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  Speaker 4: superhero movie or it's a reboot remake of you know,
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  Speaker 4: a piece of the series, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 4: a series that you know what can come out. That's why,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I've always been trying to gravitate towards seeing
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  Speaker 4: original films now because you know, it's it's it's weird
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  Speaker 4: to say this, Jamison, but and sometimes it's harder to
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  Speaker 4: actually get to see those movies because they maybe don't
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  Speaker 4: have a release on like Netflix or something like that,
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  Speaker 4: and they're certainly not going to be in the theater
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  Speaker 4: because they're you know, there's superhero movies and reboots in there,
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  Speaker 4: so it's you know, you have to really start to
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  Speaker 4: kind of be on the look for those types.
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  Speaker 5: Of things you really do. And I just feel like
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  Speaker 5: people are starting to get tired of the reboot of
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  Speaker 5: the reboot. I mean I know that I am. I'm
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  Speaker 5: also like you and I are a different class of filmmaker.
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  Speaker 5: Different and not class, I guess is the wrong word,
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  Speaker 5: but a different type of film watcher. Like we spend
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  Speaker 5: our lives talking about movies and seeking things out. It
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  Speaker 5: is too bad that all that is out there now
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  Speaker 5: are franchises and reboots and you know, something based on
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  Speaker 5: an ip that there's a you have to really really
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  Speaker 5: seek out cinema that is original and interesting, and then
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  Speaker 5: there's things that break through like Jojo Rabbit and I
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  Speaker 5: mean even some of the Tarantino stuff is is a
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  Speaker 5: tour cinema is like really great original cinema, but it
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  Speaker 5: is drawn, it is driven, sorry by a star, it
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  Speaker 5: is driven by some kind of narrative. So uh yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I wish that there was more of an appetite for
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  Speaker 5: some of those original stories. TV is where it's at
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  Speaker 5: though right now, that's where people are putting all of
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: those stories.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Right right, and and you know that's where you see
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: stuff like Breaking Bad, and you know you get to
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: see all the Game of Thrones and all. Well, even
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: though that's an existing property. You mean, that's a bad example,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: but yeah, but you know what I mean, it's still.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: But like Succession. I'm watching Succession right now or see
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: on Apple TV or what else I mean, Like you said,
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: Breaking Bad, mad Man, all the great exams pools of
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: television right Like, yeah, there's a TV is where original
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: stories are being told right now.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: So what are some of your favorite TV shows in
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: the past couple of years? Have you seen?
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: I spent a lot of my time watching movies because
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: we typically developed films. But the stuff that I have
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: watched that I have loved, Like I am in the
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: middle of Succession now and really really love it. Mad
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Men is actually is probably one of my all time favorites.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: There is just something I love about those kind of
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: corporate dramas, and I've always been fascinated by advertising. I've
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: realized that mad Men is a very stylized, fictionalized version
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: of the ad agency world, but it's still endlessly fascinating
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: to me.
• 19:59
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• 20:05
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• 20:10
  Speaker 5: And then we got to work with Rich Summer on
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: Summer Maybe four, which is really cool and really fun.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: And also I once that I've loved like, oh, actually
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: both of Phoebe Waller Bridges shows crashing and.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, what I'm blanking right now?
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not even familiar with it, so I.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: Don't know, it'll come to me. It's just one. I'm
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: just having a brain fart right now. A lot of
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Sherlock I loved, like there is there's just a lot
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: of great TV.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: So when you know, you mentioned that, you know, you
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: do a lot of work with movies primarily, you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: and we were talking about original you know, stories and
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: you know, finding those original screenplays. So James to kind
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: of take me through like how you find like a
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: piece of material and then how you go about, you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: kind of developing that piece of material.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: Flea Bag. Flea Bag is the name of the show.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I thought I thought that was your heads. I was like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know what he's talking.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: About, Like, I don't know what he's talking about. How
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: do I find a piece of I mean, look, it's tough.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: It is like it's like gold mining. Really, it's like
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: gold mining, except the version of gold that you're looking
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: for changes for each person who's looking for it. It's
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: it's very weird, like you have to sift through a
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: lot of rock and mud and dirt to get to
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: something that you want to spend time with. And it's about,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: you know, it's about finding a germ of an idea
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: in something. It's about finding something worth spending time on
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: and something that is really engaging. At least that's what
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: it is for me, because then you're going to end
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: up spending so much time with it on rewrites and
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: having to pitch the thing to a million different people,
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: first to bring directors on or maybe another writer to
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: come and do a rewrite, and then it's actors and financiers,
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: and you're always talking to agents and managers and you
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: have to have this passion for that project that is
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: unrelenting or it's going to become such a slog because
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: you spend so much time with these pieces of material.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it's about finding something you love. And then also,
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, on top of that, it's about finding people
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: that you like working with. I mentioned how much. I
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: liked working with Matt and Steve on Summer of eighty four,
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: but ourkss two who directed the film are just such great.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're fun filmmakers. They put a lot of
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: their really phenomenal energy up on screen, and they are
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: just so so great to work with that I've got
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: two more projects with them because I enjoy what they enjoy.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: We have a great kind of back and forth and
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: understanding of each other as filmmakers, and I want to
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: help develop their voice and and take it out into
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: the marketplace.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: So you know, just you know, with knowing all of that,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: you know, when you do, like actually go out there
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: and to find materials, I mean, do you get materials
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: like like you know, maybe submitted to you, like, hey,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: the script was on the Blacklist, or hey, this script
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: was you know, rated by script Shark, or this script
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: was on the on the was a filelist for the
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Nicole Fellowship.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Is that one of the other ways you find screenplays?
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean there are agents and managers who I
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: who I appreciate their taste and have a good relationship with.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: I get stuff from them. I get stuff from actors
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: and writers and directors that I know or that you know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: bright Light knows that we work with. I'm also going
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: out and kind of mining some of the things that
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: I love, whether it's books or plays or articles that
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: I think would make great films and finding, you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: something that we can start to build out. So it
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: really comes in a lot of different forms. Sometimes we
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: get things, Sean gets things sent to him by directors
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: that he's worked with in the past or writers that
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: he's worked with in the past and wants to to
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: work with them or see if there's something in a
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: script that they've sent to him. So it comes to
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: us in a lot of different forms, for sure, But
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: there is always some kind of vetting process before it
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: gets to before it gets to me or Sean or
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: anybody else at bright Light for sure.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: And you know, you again, like we were talking about
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: with the networking, you always have to have some kind
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: of vetting process for a whole number of reasons.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: But you know, you always want to make sure that relationship.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Again, like you said, it's not going to be like
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: a transaction or you know, what are you doing for
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: me right now?
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, it's always going to be hopefully a genuine interaction.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Right right, And then you know, anyone to be able
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: to build on that, and you want to be able
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: to keep going, you know, and make like you know, two, three, four, five,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: six movies, you know, and.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Just keep growing and building together.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Right, That is that would be the ideal. For sure,
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: doesn't always work out that way. I mean not everybody
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: works well together, but that is the ideal, you know,
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: to be able to work with the same people that
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: you enjoy working with time and time again.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: So you know, just to kind of continue with that question, Jamison,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: you know, have you ever seen like some someone's like YouTube,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: short film and and then become interested in, you know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: maybe like working with that person. The reason I ask
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: is because you know, you kind of if you look
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: at like what was that movie Kung Fury, that's when
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: he came out, or even the guy who did Too
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Many Cooks, I mean he was able to get you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: some tracks on that. Then you see like the other
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: the I forget what his name is.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I think it's is the guy who did the Evil
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Dead remake? Is it Alvarez?
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: I think his name is, oh, yes, Alrez.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Yes, And then uh so he did Panic Attack and
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: then he was able to make you know, Evil dead
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: do you see you know, do you ever actually you know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: maybe go on YouTube where anybody you know, at bright
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: light ever, you know, look at what anyone's doing in
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: that sort of realm you know, on like youtubebe or
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: you know, Vimeo or anything like that.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: I'm sense stuff for sure, there's some sense stuff. It's
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: tough because YouTube is such has such a glut of
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: material on there that it's if I if I spent
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: any amount of time on it, if I spend any
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: amount of time that would actually yield results, I would
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: be only doing that, like there's just not enough hours
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: in the day. So but I am sense stuff like
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: people like, hey, what do you think about this director?
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: What do you think about this short film? And there
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: was like I can point to one in particular. There's
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: a filmmaker by the name of Brian Petzos, and Brian's
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: made a couple of short films. One was called Tiki Taki,
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: almost called Lightning Face. And my friend Greg Loretano, another producer,
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: sent me his material and was like, Hey, I'm trying
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: to put together this guy's feature. Would you be interested
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: in helping? And immediately you could see that the guy
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: had a style, he had a point of view. He
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: was an incredibly deaft filmmaker, and so it was definitely
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: something that I wanted to be involved in. I didn't
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: end up being on the feature with them, but I did.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: I was, you know, really really excited about this filmmaker
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: and it ended up getting made, which was great. So
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: I'm excited to see the film and still talk to
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Brian and Greg about the movie regularly, which is awesome.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the reason I brought that up was just
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: because that's kind of the medium kind of lends itself
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: towards filmmakers as more and more people have gotten have
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: gotten on there. But like you pointed out, you know,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: there's a gluttony on there. And two, you know, things
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: can't be you know, monetized anymore if they're if they're
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: you know, YouTube is you know, censorship.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Has gotten like really really out of hand.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, hell, I'm even demonetized, so like I I
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: you know, so basically it's it's like you have to
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: be very you know, super squeaky clean and no violence.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: So it's kind of hard if they're if they're hoping
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: to get any you know, monetization from views on that
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: side of it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: But on the flip side.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: You know, it can gain some exposure with people like
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: David F. Sanmdberg is another example. He actually started on
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: YouTube and then he made the lights out.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, it is it's it's more about
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: I think it's less about YouTube more about people who
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: are just making material like that is the that is
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: the kind of thread between all of these people is
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: that they're just they're making ship, right, They're they're out
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: there and they're actually getting their hands dirty and doing
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: things and that you know, whether they shone through on
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: YouTube or because they just sent a private link to somebody.
• 29:58
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• 30:04
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• 30:09
  Speaker 5: They they're out there making things and refining what they
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: like and figuring out what they want to do behind
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: the camera. It's I think that's the common thread rather
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: than YouTube or Vimeo or whatever the hosting platform is.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: You're trying to actually, you know, you know, build a
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: channel out of that stuff. And you know, it kind
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: of ties in because you know, your your first project
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: was White Ninja. That was so that was based of
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: a webcomic, you know, but again it's it's kind of
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: like the similar idea. You know, they went out, they
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: put something out there, and they were finally you know,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: they were able to develop it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: And you know then all of a sudden, now it's
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: it's a it's a web series or a TV show.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, yeah, White Ninja. It was such a
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: cool project. I mean that web comic was web one point. Oh,
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: it was so so early on, and it was an
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: idea that a friend of mine had had had to
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: turn it into a digital series when that was kind
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: of everybody was chasing digital and they were chasing you
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: any kind of platform, Snapchat series. We were we were
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: working with Vine and before that was defunct, and just
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: thought that that platform lent itself so beautifully took this
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: resurgence of the of the comic strip. You know, what
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: does a comic strip looks like? Look like outside of
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: the Sunday papers and in this digital world, and thought
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: that these six second kind of loops were the perfect
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: place to I guess rebirth the the comic strip. So
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: it was cool for a minute, and then as soon
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: as we finished season one, Vine shut down and we
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: were like, oh shit, okay, well where are we going
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: to put this now?
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember Vine, but I know what you mean,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Like there's always you know, and all those social media channels,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: there's always seems to be something that's kind of it
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: was like intuitive to that, you know what I mean,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: like a piece of content that's intuitive to that type
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: of channel, like just like Vine once to that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was. I think it was a
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: cool experiment. After season one, I had already I had
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: been that I guess deep in with bright Light and
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: that was that was when I kind of left that
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: show and went on to do just bright Light things.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: So this the first season was really cool, and it
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: was interesting to develop for a completely different platform. I mean,
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: we're doing it now for Jeffrey Katzenberg's Quibi. We're making
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: a series and it is it's very interesting, these new
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: distribution models and these new ways that you can connect
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: and get your product out to.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Right right.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: And then you know, because you actually have another TV
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: show that you're actually making right now, which is uh, you.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Know, Julian, the phantoms you actually want to do.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I actually want to talk about that, I mean, because
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I actually I haven't in fun of me, but I'm
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: actually interested to hear your your kind of your your
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: your take on it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I will. I can talk about it as much
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: as I can talk about it. It is based on
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: a Brazilian television show. It is a Netflix original with
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: music and dance and drama and comedy, and it's really
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: fun and gorgeous show. Executive produced and some of the
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: episodes directed by a gentleman by the name of Kenny
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: or Tega. And Kenny is like mister song and Dance.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: He's the dude when it comes to filmed musical theater
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: and musical on film, you know, somebody who worked with
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: Gene Kelly and Donna Summer and Michael Jackson and directed
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Newsy's and hocus Pocus and all the high school musicals
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: and Descendants franchises, and so he is an incredible creative leader.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: And this project for me is more of a you know,
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: all the stuff that I've done to this point has
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: been very independent and di y. You know, even though
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Summer of eighty four was, I mean technically a studio
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: movie with Gunpowder and Sky acting as the studio, it
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: was still very much a small movie. It was we
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: had a lot of creative control over it, and we
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: had a lot of fun making the film that we
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: wanted to see. But this for me is a big
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: learning experience.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: So when I so you probably so I mentioned Netflix
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: and I was like, so, I didn't even know this
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: was going to be on Netflix.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: So that's a huge congrats.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Man, Oh thanks man. Yeah, I mean it's a very
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: crazy time to be working with the company, you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: just seeing how they react to seeing how they react
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: to all of these other streamers and distribution platforms coming in.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: It's been very cool to talk with our colleagues at
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Netflix so and interesting to work for a company that
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: is so on the cutting edge, you know, treats their
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: creatives with such such reverence. It's it's awesome, you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: it's a really great company.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, I mean every creative I mean, right now, that's
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: the that's the goal as a Netflix series.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it is. It's cool. It's and it was
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: something that we are I mean, Sean has done a
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: couple of them, but I'd always wanted to work with them,
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: and we in two seasons of a series called Haters
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: Back Off and a couple of movies for Netflix. But
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: to actually get to do this, it's it's cool. They're
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: putting a lot of a lot of weight behind it
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: because they see a lot of potential in Kenny's work. Obviously,
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: he's created hits and made a lot of money for Disney,
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: and Netflix wants a little bit of that, I think,
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: and I.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Hate us back off. That was from Miranda Sings.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: Right, that was yeah, Now I wasn't I didn't work
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: on that, but it was a it was a bright
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: light show.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, you know, I actually enjoyed that.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I actually thought that.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: That was because a friend of mine was a big
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: fan of Mirinda Sings the YouTube series, and then he
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: I I started watching the Netflix show, and I actually
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: think they hit the groove pretty well with that.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: It was very offbeat, for sure, I thought it was.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: But you know, she has a super specific type of
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: comedy and that really clicks with a lot of people,
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: and so I think she was It was a really
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: fun series. But and we got to make two seasons
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: of it. Yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the uncle and I forget what the
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: actor's name is, but he he was kind of like
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: the the more traditional comedy sense.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: That's why, you know, I think that's why when Marina
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: had her quirky sense of comedy. I think that's why.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: That's why I accomplied each other well, particularly that the
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: pilot episode I thought was really well done too, you know,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: just shooting a commercial and a pet store like shooting
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: that pilot and yeah, I just thought that was really funny.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very cool, man. She was awesome and it's
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: actually crazy doing that show was apparently the hardest show
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: to control from a security standpoint, Like her fans were
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: crazier than Sean and the company had ever seen worked with,
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: you know, everybody, Anne Hathaway and Robert Redford and Shilah
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: buff and Nicholas Cage and Samuel L. Jack, like he's
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: worked with so many people, and the heart the you know,
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: the craziest fans that they'd ever seen was for her.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: It was kind of kind of funny.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: So so basically they would just like find out where
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: they were filming and just kind of like they didn't
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: want to leave until they met her or something like that.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, sneaking her in and out of places
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: and oh yeah it was. It was crazy.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, just speaking off you know, crazy, you know,
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Jamie say, what what is the hardest producing obstacle We've
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: ever had to overcome?
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: He has a question. I always make sure to ask producers.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: You know what, what is that that the biggest challenge
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: that you've either had to to to kind of figure
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: out on.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Set or or what have you. You know, what, what
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: was that? What was your biggest challenge?
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Hm hmm, that's a good question. Actually, I'm trying to
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: think of if I can point to anything. I mean, look,
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: none of these problems that you have on set are
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: life or death. For the most part, they really shouldn't be.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Like we're not out here making We're not out here
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: saving lives. We're making filmed entertainment for television and the
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: movie theaters and some of the streamers, I guess now,
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: But so we don't have people's lives in our hands.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: So anytime that there's a big quote unquote crisis, it's
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: always we always try and remind ourselves, at least here
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: at Bright Light that it's not life or death. To
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: just take a minute, take a breath, and we can
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: figure it out, and if it can be solved with money,
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: it's not really a problem. So trying to pinpoint like
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: a huge challenge, I think it's mostly just people and
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: making sure that everybody is as happy as they can be.
• 39:57
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• 40:03
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  Speaker 5: You know, you're working with one hundred and fifty two
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: hundred people on set. There's always going to be problems
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: and egos and you know, things to solve. But I
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: think it is really just navigating how you how you
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: deal with people and how you deal with ego. That's
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: a daily challenge for sure, to just kind of keep
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: it as mellow and I guess calm as possible, you know,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: And that's why that's why we do this. We want
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: to make want to make movies and want to be
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: on set and create something rather than being in the boardroom.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: So those long hours and the tough challenges are of
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: fine trade off.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: So that so you know, a lot of this does
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: come down to you know, communication and you know kind
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: of diffusing bad situations and stuff like that. You know,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: just having the different producers on here. That's kind of
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: what I've i've you know, inferred from just interviewing you know,
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: different producers like yourself is one. You have to be
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: able to communicate to everybody. And most of the producers
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: that I've had on here and most of the producers
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: that I've met everybody from you know, you know, producing
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: stuff you see in the theater, to producing you know,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: indie films to producing whatever. That seems to be the
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: big thing is also they want to be able to
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: a lot of them are more approachable, meaning on set
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: they're approachable, like if you want to come talk to
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: about something, they're pretty approachable. But in that in that way,
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: that's that's sort of what I've found is that it's communication,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: you know, being a people person.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I've only worked with with maybe.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Two producers who don't want to talk to anybody ever
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: for whatever reason. I don't know why, but they're just like, hey,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: everyone stay away from me unless you're the director or whatever.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: So you know what I mean, it's most of them
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: are pretty much have those two things in common.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that's it. I think that that's a
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: lot of this industry is communication and people skills. Right.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter if you are on set talking to
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: a grip or if you are in development talking to
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: a writer. You're always trying to get people on the
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: same page, and you, as the producer are kind of
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: the meeting spot for everything you're watching over the entire project.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: From a thirty thousand foot perspective, and so you are
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: always trying to bring people into that same vision and
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: keep them on track. Like I said, whether you are
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: on set or whether you are in development, like it
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: is always just dealing with people and how do you
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: couch certain things? You know, how do you how do
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: you deal with one person versus the next because not
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: everybody responds to certain tactics. Well, yeah, it's it's it's
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: a it's a people business for sure, it's and that's
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: why you know, that's why kind of the come full circle.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: It's it's a trust business, and it's hard to break
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: into people hire the same people again and again and
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: again because they have great working relationships with them and
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: they speak a common language, and they know, you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: in high stress scenarios, they can count on this person
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: and they can count on them time and time again.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: So you know, yeah that I've found that out too,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: you know, just just working with the same people over
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: and over again.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: There's a reason why directors, producers, et cetera. Do that stuff.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: It's just because you know, they've built their relationship. It's trust,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: you know, just you know, when I do different things,
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: it's like, you know, sometimes you want to work with
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: a different director of cinematography, and then all of a
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: sudden you realize this wasn't such a good idea.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: So you know, it just happens.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've been on a set before where you know,
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: the director's cinematography is just not cooperative and just wants
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: to be off on his own and doesn't want to
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: talk to anybody, and you're like, oh, okay, I don't
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: know how this is gonna work. But but you know,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: it's stuff like that. That's what you know about. The
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: biggest obstacle that that that question. I always again, I
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: just reaterly. I always asked that to producers just because
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: you see the gamut of you know, you show up
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: to a location and it's not you know, maybe it's
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: not ready or something's different. You know, your director's cinematography
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: doesn't want to show up, or you have somebody to
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: show up and.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: They want to you know, they want to ask for
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: more money the day of. By the way, all those
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: things I mentioned have happened to me in one way
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: or another.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: It's it's a very challenging role to be in and
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: you're juggling so many different things and there's so much
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: going that they're abound to be crazy problems.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely, Uh you know, you know, Jamison,
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: we've been talking for you know, just about forty five minutes,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: you know, just to just to kind of put a
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: period at the end of all this. Is there anything
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: that we can get a chance to discuss that you
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: wanted to discuss right now or anything anything at all?
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: No, nothing that comes to mind. I mean, uh, it's
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: so great. It's so fun to talk to people about
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: the nuts and bolts of making independent cinema. And it
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: is a it is an incredible passion of mine. I
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: love I do love working in TV, and I'm having
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: a phenomenal experience with this show. But there is something
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: so satisfying about kind of knuckling down and uh and
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: making independent film that I love. So I'm excited. I've
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: got one in the in the pipe for June July
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: next year that we'll shoot here in Vancouver, it looks like,
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: and I'm excited to kind of get back to those
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: independent roots while I'm in between some of these more
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: studio gigs, you know.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: And that's really cool.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: And you know, whenever, never, if you ever want to
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: come back on Jamison, you know, when when any of
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: these projects come out, please let me know, and I'd
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: be glad to have you come back on.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: I appreciate it. Man, this has actually been a really
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: great experience. You were right at the top when you're like,
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: I haven't had a bad time yet. Yeah, this is
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: this is great kind of no holds bar conversation.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, I'm glad you had a
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: good time. And where people find you out online? Do
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: you have any social media channels or any websites you
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: want to give out?
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'm brad. Light Pictures dot Com is
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: where we're putting up everything that we do. I'm on Twitter,
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: I'm on Instagram, but I keep Instagram kind of just
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: for me, so Twitter and and uh and bright Light
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: Pictures is where I usually am, like you did before this.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: My IMDb is where it has all the stuff that
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: we're currently I'm currently working on and stuff that's coming up.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: And that's a great place to to find out what's
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: what we have at bright Light and what I got
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: going on here too.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: And everyone.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna link to all that in the show notes
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: at Dave bollspodcast dot com. You know, it's kind of funny.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: I got Dealer, I got in trouble with YouTube, and
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: I got in trouble with like Apple. You know, I
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: am this close, Jamison, just being a race for the
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: internet completely. I just I just keep pissing off these
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: giant Internet corporations.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: And I don't even I'm not even trying to do anything.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: I got in trouble with.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Facebook over over posting uh this podcast, and I'm like,
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: all right, well I'm back in a thousand.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: So I'm telling you it's like it's like I've done.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm this close.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: Away from just pissing off every Internet giant and now
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: and then I won't be able to do.
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: Anything but the gatekeepers. Yeah.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: So seriously, my god, I haven't pissed off Riser or
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Comcast yet, so I need to work on that.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: So but still the beginning of the week, you got time?
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, yes, what I can do this week?
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: But everyone, it's Dave Willie's podcast. I have all my
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: social media channels on there. I have every episode of
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: the podcast on there as well. And again, thank you
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: for everyone who always keeps sharing this podcast, and Jamison,
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: I want to say thank you so much for coming
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: on and this has been a blast.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me man really excited
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: to keep listening to your podcast and hopefully beyond it
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: again in the future.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
• 48:50
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• 48:52
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• 49:06
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• 49:06
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• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you again so much for listening to guys. As always,
• 49:09
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• 49:12
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