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Gorgeous young American cruise ship star found dead - investigation bungled? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one thirty two. A family whose daughter died on a
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Speaker 1: trip overseas looking for answers and pushing for her case
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Speaker 1: to be reopened. Twenty four year old of Jackie Castornellis
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Speaker 1: mysteriously died a February of two thousand thirteen. She was
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Speaker 1: working on board the seven Seas of Voyager off the
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Speaker 1: Northern coast of Australia. Twenty four year old girl and
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Speaker 1: good health, active, doesn't just fall asleep in the wake up.
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Speaker 1: Authorities in the Northern Territory investigated Jackie's death ruined she
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Speaker 1: died of a sudden unexpected death syndrome, but her parents
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Speaker 1: weren't convinced and asked for a second review. It's been
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Speaker 1: a constant fight and struggle to get information. A beautiful
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Speaker 1: young girl, absolutely gorgeous and talented, described as glamorous, and
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Speaker 1: when I look at her photos, I can see why
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Speaker 1: why she's described as a glamorous cruise ship singer. You know,
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Speaker 1: when you say a glamorous cruise ship singer, it sounds
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Speaker 1: like a grown lady. That this was a two year
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Speaker 1: old girl. A University of Hartford grad student who had
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Speaker 1: been working for a cruise line for two years and
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Speaker 1: her dream was to audition for Broadway when she got
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Speaker 1: home from the cruise ship. That's her big dream, and
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Speaker 1: she was making it. She was absolutely making it. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about Jackie castrone Ellis from Groveland, Massachusetts. Jackie died
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Speaker 1: on the Seven Seas Voyager, a cruise ship, an upscale
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Speaker 1: cruise ship. I Nancy Grace, this is crime stories, and
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Speaker 1: I want answers every quote story we talk about. It's
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Speaker 1: not a story, it's real. These are real people and
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Speaker 1: during real hardship, and the least we can do is
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Speaker 1: try our best to investigate and shine a light on
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Speaker 1: what's happening and bring them justice if nothing else. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about the mystery death of a glamorous cruise ship singer,
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Speaker 1: a young American girl just graduated from college and really
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Speaker 1: headed to Broadway. What happened on this cruise ship? Joining
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Speaker 1: me right now are her parents, the parents of Jackie
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Speaker 1: castron Ellis, Kathy and Mike castrin Ellis. Also with me,
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Speaker 1: Michelle Barton, the mother of a just the most handsome
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Speaker 1: young college student's son who mysteriously passed away, Dave mac
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Speaker 1: syndicated talk show host Lee Egan, crime online investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan forensics investigator, and Karen Stark psychologists joining
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Speaker 1: us out of New York, and of course my buddy
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Speaker 1: Alan Duke from l A. I first want to go
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Speaker 1: to Kathy and Mike Castornellis. First of all, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. So many parents deal with the
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Speaker 1: loss of their child. And I've got to tell you,
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Speaker 1: Kathy and Mike, when my fiance was murdered, I thought
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Speaker 1: I knew everything there was about grief and pain. I
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Speaker 1: thought I knew it all. But now, all these years later,
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Speaker 1: that I have a son and a daughter, I just
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Speaker 1: don't know how you keep going, Kathy, What keeps you
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Speaker 1: going every day? How do you get the strength to
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Speaker 1: put one ft in front of the other. It's it's
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Speaker 1: sort of hard to explain. I guess the best way
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Speaker 1: to say it is, Uh, you you realize really quickly
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Speaker 1: that you're you're in a really deep hole and that
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Speaker 1: it's it's really going to be difficult. And our family
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Speaker 1: has always been really close, UM, and I think we
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Speaker 1: just we just drew together even closer UM during those
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Speaker 1: first few months. UM. One of our sons was at
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Speaker 1: the time finishing his senior year in college, and and
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Speaker 1: he he came home after college and spent some time
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Speaker 1: living at home for a while for a few months
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Speaker 1: as he started his first job. I think just to
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Speaker 1: just for us all to be together more, and it
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Speaker 1: really helped um. You know, obviously you don't just sit
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Speaker 1: at home and figure it out. We you know, I thought,
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Speaker 1: I thought a therapist. I talked to people, I I
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Speaker 1: exercised a ton. I think that was what kept me
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Speaker 1: sleeping at night. And I think that we just we
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Speaker 1: lead on each other, and we just had an incredible
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Speaker 1: amount of support from our families and our friends and
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Speaker 1: our community. And just all of that support meant more
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Speaker 1: than we can ever express in a card or thank
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Speaker 1: you note. It just it just meant everything. You know.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Jackie's photo right now, and she's absolutely beautiful.
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Speaker 1: Mike castan Ellis and Kathy Kathleen Kathy is what are
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Speaker 1: both with us? Jackie's parents, Mike, I know it must
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Speaker 1: have been hard, Like I dread the day that my
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Speaker 1: children go off to college. I mean, God willing they
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Speaker 1: go to college? Okay? Number one and number two, Yes, Mike,
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Speaker 1: I know it's healthy that they grow up and move away.
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Speaker 1: Not healthy for me, healthy for them. But I dread
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Speaker 1: it when your daughter announced that she was going to
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Speaker 1: get a job as a I just have to keep
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Speaker 1: saying it glamorous, because she is glamorous when she's got
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Speaker 1: on her performing outfits and she's singing up on the stage,
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Speaker 1: just like wow. But she told you that she was
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Speaker 1: going to go on a cruise ship and entertained for
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Speaker 1: a living and will be gone most of the time.
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Speaker 1: What did you think? Well? Uh? I actually, uh, I
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Speaker 1: travel the world a great deal with my profession, and
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Speaker 1: I thought initially I had the reservations of her going
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Speaker 1: out in her own like that, but she was, she
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Speaker 1: was living her dream, and I really I think we
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Speaker 1: both felt that this was really an opportunity for not
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Speaker 1: just to see the world, but to pursue her dream
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Speaker 1: uh as a singer, actor, dancer. Um, what is your business, Mike?
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Speaker 1: Why do you have to travel somehom an airline pilot? Uh? Okay,
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Speaker 1: Well that makes sense. Um okay. So I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: the photos of her singing right now, and she's got
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Speaker 1: on this beautiful gold dress, shiny long dress. And here's
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Speaker 1: one of her black long sequence dress, singing with this
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Speaker 1: big smile on her face. Kathleen, did you feel the
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Speaker 1: same when Jackie announced that she was taking a job
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Speaker 1: with a cruise line. Um, we were excited for her.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she she had it together. You know, she
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Speaker 1: knew what she needed to do. She had down to
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Speaker 1: New York City. She had gotten a job, as all
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Speaker 1: actresses do, waitressing, um, in order to audition during the daytime.
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Speaker 1: And within six months she said this was the opportunity
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Speaker 1: she wanted. Um. She thought this would get her out
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Speaker 1: there and Albert and she was making contacts on her
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Speaker 1: first cruise and it was difficult having her away so much,
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Speaker 1: but UM, thank god for the Internet. We skyped with
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Speaker 1: her all the time, so we were in touch with
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Speaker 1: her on a really a lot. We were in touch
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Speaker 1: with her a lot. She kept in touch with us
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Speaker 1: on a very very frequent basis. What we know right now,
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Speaker 1: Dave matt joining a syndicated talk show host, is that
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Speaker 1: seemingly the investigation into her surprise death was completely bungled.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got three men on board that I'm
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Speaker 1: interested in. Once she used to date, I was very
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Speaker 1: jealous of her when she was dating and there was
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Speaker 1: a third guy, and and this is a nice young girl.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know the backgrounds of these guys. You're right,
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Speaker 1: question that, Nancy. Look, this idiot who did the investigation
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Speaker 1: to start with, bungled it forever, messed with it for
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Speaker 1: fourteen months and came up with sudden Unexpected death syndrome
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Speaker 1: without bothering you were just wait a minute, Wait a minute.
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Speaker 1: Joe's Goot Morgan, death investigator and professor of forensics at
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. I've never heard of that applied to
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Speaker 1: an adult. It sounds like sid's sudden infant death syndrome.
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Speaker 1: When there's an unexplained death. That's that's not working for
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Speaker 1: me with a twenty four year old girl that was
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Speaker 1: absolutely imperfect health. Yeah, it's it's a it's kind of
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Speaker 1: a diagnosis of last resort. I've I've worked, you know,
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Speaker 1: having worked at the Corners office in New Orleans and
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Speaker 1: with the medical Examiner in Atlanta over the years. I
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Speaker 1: am aware of this diagnosis. But it is a diagnosis
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Speaker 1: of elimination when every everything else fails. And they did
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Speaker 1: wait for an extended period of time. And just so
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Speaker 1: that you know, I'll break this down in very simplistic
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Speaker 1: terms for the audience. This is characterized by what's referred
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Speaker 1: to as a cardiac arrhythmia, and essentially what that means
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Speaker 1: is that the heart will go into a dys rhythmic
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Speaker 1: event where the electronic uh impulses if you will, that
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Speaker 1: are causing the heart to beat begin to beat irregularly.
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Speaker 1: And that's simply what they're saying that the heart simply
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Speaker 1: in Layman's terms, pray stop, okay, because I'm not buying
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Speaker 1: that this. Let me confirm, Kathy and Mike, did she
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Speaker 1: have a heart condition that you know of? So Joe Scott.
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Speaker 1: Bottom line, it sounds to me like they buggled the
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Speaker 1: investigation and so they said she had a bad heart.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a cold agen h e double l
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Speaker 1: that a healthy two year old girl just suddenly dies
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Speaker 1: in her sleep. I'm not buying that. What what? What
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Speaker 1: more do we know? First of all, I want to
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Speaker 1: go back to Kathy castor Ellis, this is Jackie's mom.
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Speaker 1: When did you learn that Jackie had passed away? We
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Speaker 1: learned from Gene and Ryan Productions, the talent scalp that
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Speaker 1: had high that had found her and we received a
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Speaker 1: call about eleven PM, so that would have been in
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Speaker 1: their time. It would have been maybe I think three
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Speaker 1: or four in the afternoon in Australia, which means they
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Speaker 1: knew about it for I don't know, over six hours
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Speaker 1: before they before we received any contact. What did they
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Speaker 1: tell you had happened, Kathy Um? They didn't know at
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Speaker 1: that point. It was just Gene and Ryan Um. She was,
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Speaker 1: she was in tears. She she knew Jackie or she
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Speaker 1: had worked with her for three contracts and this being
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Speaker 1: the third, and she was devastated and in tears and
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Speaker 1: just said they just didn't know what had happened Um,
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Speaker 1: and that she was heartbroken. And she was. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: she was. But it took us a while to get
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Speaker 1: any information that about anything that had occurred. I think
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Speaker 1: it was a few days before we heard from the
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Speaker 1: investigator detect the penemies and in UM Australia. And one
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Speaker 1: thing is concerning me, David matt Well, there are a
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Speaker 1: lot of things about Jackie's untimely death that are red
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Speaker 1: flags to me. Number One, You've got the ex boyfriend
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Speaker 1: that she broke up with, ex boyfriend Roman Uh. There
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Speaker 1: is a crew member, Daniel that I'm looking at none
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Speaker 1: of these people have been named a suspect or a
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Speaker 1: person of interest. They are people connected to Jackie. Then
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Speaker 1: there is an engineer on board named Janice. But what's
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Speaker 1: concerning me, just right off the bat, Dave Matt, is that,
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Speaker 1: according to reports, allegedly Roman, the ex boyfriend that she
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Speaker 1: broke up with, and he's extremely jealous, according to reports,
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Speaker 1: lied in his first police interview all right, and denied
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Speaker 1: that he was ever jealous after seeing her and um,
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Speaker 1: the engineer Janice together on board. Now, there's absolutely nothing
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Speaker 1: wrong with this young lady having a boyfriend. She's beautiful,
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Speaker 1: she's talented, she's smart, she's headed to Broadway, and she
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Speaker 1: broke up with this guy and he just couldn't stand it,
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Speaker 1: according to reports. Now that's one thing, but lying to
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Speaker 1: police is a whole another can of worms if it's true,
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Speaker 1: Dave mac Well, Nancy, here's what we've got. You know,
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Speaker 1: we've got actual statements from each three, all three of
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Speaker 1: the guys that are involved in the police report and
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Speaker 1: the detectives report, and each one of them was not truthful.
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Speaker 1: Each one of these men was not telling the truth
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Speaker 1: all the way. And Roman, in particularly the ex boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: really has some problems here because as we know, when
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Speaker 1: you go on a cruise, you've got the key lock,
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Speaker 1: you know that where you swipe your card and that
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Speaker 1: key reader. They've got a track record of every time
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Speaker 1: the doors open and who opened it. They know when
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Speaker 1: these guys were in their rooms, when they were near
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Speaker 1: her room, and when this guy Roman, I mean Nancy,
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Speaker 1: he was all over the place between the time she
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Speaker 1: gets back to her room and he goes back to
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Speaker 1: his own room. He's in a WiFi place getting the bar,
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Speaker 1: but he can't explain why he's anywhere, but he's walking
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Speaker 1: around like he's panicked doing something. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: that's the guy who lied about being the incredibly jealous
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Speaker 1: boyfriend of this beautiful younger. That is the beginning of
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Speaker 1: my problems is with the ex Roman. Can you imagine her?
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Speaker 1: Jackie cast Analis is young American girl. She's on board
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Speaker 1: the cruise ship working. Little does she know she's in
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Speaker 1: back to the story of this young girl, Jackie castro
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Speaker 1: nellis okay, just gott Morgan. You're trying to tell me
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Speaker 1: that this young girl's death was a natural cause, and
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Speaker 1: I am not buying the parents. Just heard them say
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Speaker 1: she did not have a heart condition, and the condition
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Speaker 1: they're talking about would have probably been hereditary. Joe Scott, Oh,
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Speaker 1: let's back up a second. I'm not telling you that
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Speaker 1: the people in Northwest Territory are telling you that. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It's uh. No. I say it because I know what
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Speaker 1: the fallback position for a lot of these people that
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Speaker 1: do inadequate work is. I've been around them my entire
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Speaker 1: adult life, and this sounds like what I refer to
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Speaker 1: as a weasel diagnosis, and that means that they're trying
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Speaker 1: to hedge their bets. And this is a sad thing
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about a young girl's death that remains
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Speaker 1: unexplained up to this point. Uh. And I have a
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Speaker 1: real problem with this, um. And another big problem that
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Speaker 1: I have with this case, Nancy, is that when this
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Speaker 1: took place, UM, the corner as they're referred to in
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Speaker 1: this location, did not attend the scene. Uh. They were
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Speaker 1: completely depended upon the eyes and the ears of the
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Speaker 1: police at the scene. And this we have to go
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Speaker 1: back to this and examine this set of circumstances because
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Speaker 1: the police are not equipped to examine a case like
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Speaker 1: this that is multi layer, that's very thick with scientific uh, Dad,
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Speaker 1: But they have to that they have to uh sift
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Speaker 1: through euipment. Okay, hold on, you know what you're losing me.
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Speaker 1: You're losing me big time. I want to go through
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Speaker 1: what we know about that night, Dave, Matt. What do
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Speaker 1: we know about that night? What happened all right in
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Speaker 1: the hours? Um, the hour in question here from when
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Speaker 1: when she Jackie gets back to her to her room. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we've got three men all telling different stories about when
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Speaker 1: and where they were at the time that they Again,
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Speaker 1: Roman claims that he saw her with another man at
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Speaker 1: a time that is impossible based on her own room code,
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Speaker 1: her own key. Rather, we've got the engineer on the boat, Janice,
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Speaker 1: who also told a different story, claiming he was with
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Speaker 1: her much earlier. And we have another man, Daniel, who
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Speaker 1: was involved in some type of relationship with her according
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Speaker 1: to him, but again he also was not truthful about
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Speaker 1: the time. She was never tested for ketamine. They didn't
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Speaker 1: do a proper DNA test to rule out first responders
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Speaker 1: and to find out who actually was there that they
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Speaker 1: could go back to later on and actually figure out
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Speaker 1: what happened. Nancy, this is messed up from the beginning
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Speaker 1: to the very end. In my heartbreaks for the parents.
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Speaker 1: Another problem that I see to Kathy and Mike, who
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Speaker 1: were joining us, this is this is Jackie's parents. Is
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Speaker 1: that out on the high seas. It's a whole different
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Speaker 1: ball game because you cannot possibly go back and reconstruct it.
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Speaker 1: Uh at the end of that week, Well, of course,
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Speaker 1: now she was in a staff room, but there's a
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Speaker 1: turnover immediately and the room is sanitized and it's gone,
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Speaker 1: so it's very hard to reconstruct what happened. Kathy Um
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Speaker 1: she had her own room, that was her room, right,
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Speaker 1: So they're on there for months. That's that whole us
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Speaker 1: to Crewe us together for months, and we were promised
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Speaker 1: by the detective that if he had to fly to
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Speaker 1: China to reinterview people, that would be done, and that
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Speaker 1: was never done. We were they made us so many
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Speaker 1: assurances um that they never did, they never followed up on,
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Speaker 1: and we didn't fully understand or realize all that until
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Speaker 1: we finally saw this full report and we finally had
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Speaker 1: to get some people involved to understand this better than
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Speaker 1: we do, to go through it with us and help
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Speaker 1: us understand it. So it's taken us years here of
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Speaker 1: trying to understand what is yourn with the investigation. I've
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Speaker 1: got a lot of concerns, But what are your concerns?
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Speaker 1: That they made a diagnosis based on heavily based on
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Speaker 1: witness statements, and as it's already been pointed out, you
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Speaker 1: know the same thing we know the witnesses, they're not
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Speaker 1: their contradictory. The statements are contradictory. It doesn't tell us
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Speaker 1: really where people were. It needs to be examined again,
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Speaker 1: they have the cabin access records. Those can be reviewed again,
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Speaker 1: they can get access to the people involved and reinterview
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Speaker 1: them and find out more surely where people were, and
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Speaker 1: they had other people they never interviewed that they could
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Speaker 1: have interviewed. Um, so they didn't get corroboration. What is
21:18
Speaker 1: your understanding, Kathy, of Jackie's your daughter's movements the night
21:22
Speaker 1: of her death. What happened? Did she perform that night?
21:24
Speaker 1: Was it an off night? Did she go to dinner?
21:26
Speaker 1: What do you know? Well, we know that we spoke
21:28
Speaker 1: with her that afternoon. We skyped with her that afternoon,
21:32
Speaker 1: and she was in good spirits and fine. She was
21:34
Speaker 1: in between rehearsals, which is typical, and she told us
21:37
Speaker 1: they were going to be important the next day at Darwin.
21:42
Speaker 1: They were expected to be important Darwin the next day. Okay,
21:47
Speaker 1: So Um, at the time we skyped whe her, she
21:50
Speaker 1: was just resting in her room and she said she
21:52
Speaker 1: had to go back out. Um we assumed for another rehearsal. Um,
21:56
Speaker 1: we now understand that, um. In the The next thing
21:59
Speaker 1: that she tended was a captain's party, which is typical
22:02
Speaker 1: where they meet and greet the guests on the ship. Um,
22:06
Speaker 1: and then following that, they had another rehearsal, a forty
22:09
Speaker 1: five minute rehearsal, and then they received a late dinner
22:13
Speaker 1: in the crew mass at eight thirty pm, which is
22:16
Speaker 1: typical of of their schedule on the ship. And she
22:20
Speaker 1: was at the dinner correct, Yes, yes she was. She
22:24
Speaker 1: was fine at eight thirty Okay, Then what happened? Um?
22:28
Speaker 1: Then that's when the reports are, you know, the time
22:32
Speaker 1: of people remembering different times. They all went to the
22:37
Speaker 1: um what are you called the crew lounge or the
22:39
Speaker 1: crew bar, I'm sorry, the crew bar where they were
22:42
Speaker 1: having a going to shore party because the ship had
22:44
Speaker 1: been stuck out at sea with a typhoon. So this
22:47
Speaker 1: was after five days they were finally going to make sure,
22:50
Speaker 1: so the crew that was having a little bit of
22:52
Speaker 1: a going ashore party, so there were a lot of
22:56
Speaker 1: people at the crew Barum. Jackie went down with the
22:58
Speaker 1: cast members and she was sitting with the cast talking
23:02
Speaker 1: with people. Then she left, presumably to go back to
23:05
Speaker 1: her room, because she came back changed until like there
23:08
Speaker 1: was supposed to be a beach theme. She came back
23:10
Speaker 1: in shorts and a beach shirt and floppy sandals and
23:16
Speaker 1: stayed at the bar and her cast members left. They
23:20
Speaker 1: said they saw her when they left a quarter of
23:22
Speaker 1: twelve and the crew bar closes at one am, and
23:26
Speaker 1: Jackie's cabin access shows that she entered her cabinet ten
23:30
Speaker 1: of one. So and yet there's another access to her cabinet.
23:34
Speaker 1: On who got access to her cabinet? Well, we don't
23:38
Speaker 1: know if that was her, if she went in and
23:40
Speaker 1: maybe I know from speaking to the other girls in
23:43
Speaker 1: the cast that sometimes they would leave their room to
23:45
Speaker 1: go upstairs to the I think it's the crew mess
23:48
Speaker 1: that's kind of open all night with the cruise changing
23:51
Speaker 1: um because they can get internet up there when they're
23:53
Speaker 1: at sea sometimes. Did you repaid that last sentence? Okay,
23:57
Speaker 1: So talking to her cast members, what they said, Well,
24:00
Speaker 1: maybe she went out of her room again to go
24:03
Speaker 1: upstairs with her to get access to the internet in
24:06
Speaker 1: the crew mass. But there's no statements from anybody who
24:10
Speaker 1: was at the crew mass who saw her. We would
24:12
Speaker 1: like to know. Let me ask you this, Why are
24:14
Speaker 1: you saying that she may have left her room? Are
24:16
Speaker 1: you just saying that her door opened nor her cabin
24:20
Speaker 1: was accessed again at one am? And we don't know
24:23
Speaker 1: how or why with her with her key. Yes, she
24:27
Speaker 1: has an individual card. Yes, so she was there at
24:31
Speaker 1: the end of the going shore party. It was closing down,
24:36
Speaker 1: it was about and she leaves the party and goes
24:42
Speaker 1: to her room and you can tell that her cabin
24:46
Speaker 1: record shows okay, and then at one forty, which is
24:50
Speaker 1: about fifty minutes later she leaves, she comes back in
24:55
Speaker 1: her room again. Is that correct? Well, we don't know.
24:59
Speaker 1: Then was it with her card? Well? Yes, I mean
25:02
Speaker 1: they never collected the cards in the evidence, so I
25:05
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, can they not tell whose card accessed
25:09
Speaker 1: her room? It was her card? Okay? So how about
25:15
Speaker 1: use of the internet? Was there any use of her
25:17
Speaker 1: internet between one and one forty? We were that they said, no,
25:24
Speaker 1: we don't know. That doesn't really make any sense. What more,
25:27
Speaker 1: Mike cast analysis is Jackie's dad? Do you know it's
25:31
Speaker 1: that murky time between one and one forty where somebody
25:36
Speaker 1: using her card comes back in her room and then
25:41
Speaker 1: I guess it's the next day that she is found dead.
25:46
Speaker 1: What do we know about that time? She did not
25:48
Speaker 1: access the internet? What about anybody else's key? Was she
25:54
Speaker 1: in any other part of the ship. There's no record
25:57
Speaker 1: of her leaving her room after that point in time,
26:02
Speaker 1: and there's no witnesses that saw her in any of
26:05
Speaker 1: the places in the crew areas and in her room.
26:10
Speaker 1: It was it was they all have private rooms, don't they. Uh, well, yeah,
26:14
Speaker 1: the the headliners get private rooms. Yes. Now, what do
26:19
Speaker 1: you make, Mike cast an Ellis of the guys that
26:24
Speaker 1: the one roman that she had broken? Wait a minute,
26:27
Speaker 1: why don't they have any surveillance cameras on a cruise ship? Mike, Well, uh,
26:32
Speaker 1: We've been told again and again the cruise ships are do,
26:35
Speaker 1: in fact have a great deal of video surveillance. However,
26:39
Speaker 1: on this ship, from what we have been told from
26:43
Speaker 1: the Australian authorities, the crew areas on this ship did
26:48
Speaker 1: not have videos. I had mentioned to you earlier that
26:52
Speaker 1: I had we had taken the children on a Disney
26:55
Speaker 1: cruise and everywhere I looked there was a camera looking
26:58
Speaker 1: right at me. Everywhere. I mean, you couldn't sneeze without
27:03
Speaker 1: a camera looking right at you. Now, granted I was
27:06
Speaker 1: not in the crew areas, but it seemed to be
27:10
Speaker 1: blanketed with cameras. Mike, It's just really hard to believe
27:13
Speaker 1: that in the hallways like in hotels and uh, I
27:17
Speaker 1: know on the Disney Cruise in the hallways there were cameras.
27:20
Speaker 1: I didn't think anything of it. Might well not just
27:24
Speaker 1: that this is also the the starship of the fleet. Uh,
27:29
Speaker 1: they only have three ships, but this is the big one,
27:33
Speaker 1: UM and the newest, and you would think that they
27:36
Speaker 1: would certainly have that type of capability throughout the ship,
27:41
Speaker 1: because we professionals have told us that other cruise ships
27:45
Speaker 1: have it in both the crew quarters as well as
27:47
Speaker 1: the public areas. But again what we've been told is
27:50
Speaker 1: that this ship, for some reason, there was nothing in
27:54
Speaker 1: the crew areas. So Kathy question, what do you make
27:59
Speaker 1: of these gentlemen. You've got the guy she broke up
28:03
Speaker 1: with four months before, who we now here is allegedly
28:08
Speaker 1: extremely jealous of her. There is the engineer Janice that
28:13
Speaker 1: she had been seeing, and then there is a third
28:16
Speaker 1: guy and he's kind of in the periphery. What what
28:19
Speaker 1: is your understanding of these three guys? Um, I don't
28:23
Speaker 1: really have an opinion one way or the other. Accepted
28:26
Speaker 1: say that I think that everyone who had access to
28:29
Speaker 1: Jackie should be reinterviewed thoroughly. I mean, we never saw
28:34
Speaker 1: the first interviews that were done. They didn't release that
28:37
Speaker 1: information to us, So we don't know what was said
28:40
Speaker 1: in the first interviews as compared to the second interviews. Um.
28:44
Speaker 1: Some of the interviews that have been released to us
28:46
Speaker 1: are really interviews, they're just a signed statement, so we
28:49
Speaker 1: don't really know what was said. UM. So much information
28:53
Speaker 1: just has not been given to us that we asked
28:55
Speaker 1: for repeated. Well, I know this much, Kathy, and let
28:59
Speaker 1: me go to you on this. Dave Mack, indicated talk
29:01
Speaker 1: show host the one guy that she had broken up with,
29:06
Speaker 1: claims he saw her with the engineer Janice at one
29:12
Speaker 1: forty a m. That would have been them either going
29:17
Speaker 1: in her cabin together to hang out or leaving her cabin.
29:20
Speaker 1: But he says he saw her with Janice the engineer
29:25
Speaker 1: at one forty a m. And that does coincide with
29:29
Speaker 1: her cabin door being accessed by her by her own swipe. Um.
29:35
Speaker 1: We also see an interest to Janie's cabin around twelve fifty,
29:38
Speaker 1: which is the same time about that she entered her
29:41
Speaker 1: cabin after the party. But we also know that he
29:45
Speaker 1: lied according to reports. So I don't know that I
29:48
Speaker 1: can believe anything he has to say. Dave mac I
29:51
Speaker 1: don't believe a word out of any three of those guys.
29:53
Speaker 1: You know. The other part about it all, this, Nancy,
29:55
Speaker 1: is the investigation was so incompetent that well, like after
29:59
Speaker 1: forty they just let the ship leave with all these
30:02
Speaker 1: three guys on there, without any DNA testing, without any
30:05
Speaker 1: drug testing, with nothing, just let him go and say,
30:07
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we'll chase him down wherever we need to,
30:09
Speaker 1: which we know they haven't. But back to the inconsistencies
30:12
Speaker 1: on Roman, this is an interesting cat that he claims
30:16
Speaker 1: he sees his ex girlfriend Jackie with Janice the cabin
30:19
Speaker 1: guy at one forty in the morning, when we know
30:22
Speaker 1: that his door was accessed fifty minutes earlier, not at
30:25
Speaker 1: one forty. Then we have Jackie herself store accessed around
30:28
Speaker 1: that same time that Roman claims he sees a couple.
30:31
Speaker 1: Back up a minute, and now we've got romans own door,
30:34
Speaker 1: his access at one fifty in the morning to eight
30:37
Speaker 1: in the morning and three thirteen in the morning. So
30:39
Speaker 1: we've got a guy that is a loose cannon, lies
30:42
Speaker 1: about his relationship to Jackie to the police, denies he
30:45
Speaker 1: has one. Then they've come back in little wait a minute,
30:48
Speaker 1: you're stalking her at one fifty. You're figuring something out here,
30:51
Speaker 1: So he's circling up and trying to do something. A minute,
30:53
Speaker 1: want to I want to talk about what you just said.
30:55
Speaker 1: You're stalking her. That's what I'm looking at im now
30:59
Speaker 1: that Hold on. At first I would say, hey, hey, hey,
31:05
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about any stalking. But if you
31:07
Speaker 1: think about it, what is he doing seeing them at
31:11
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Speaker 1: of New York. Karen Stark, people use the term stalking
34:52
Speaker 1: very very loosely. But and he has not been charged
34:55
Speaker 1: with stalking. But what is he what position is he
34:58
Speaker 1: in to be watching her at one forty in the morning,
35:03
Speaker 1: Karen Starr? How did that happen? What a coincidence? I mean,
35:06
Speaker 1: if you see this cruise ship here in start it's huge.
35:09
Speaker 1: He just happened to see them. It's all very suspicious, Nancy,
35:13
Speaker 1: stalk and behavior is really a barren behavior and criminal.
35:18
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to do that. And yet you wonder
35:22
Speaker 1: at that time in the morning what he was doing
35:25
Speaker 1: being aware of where she was in such as you said,
35:31
Speaker 1: it's a huge ship, and yet he happens upon her.
35:36
Speaker 1: So this is all very suspicious. Just the lying alone. Yeah,
35:41
Speaker 1: I just find that quiet. The coincidence that he happens
35:44
Speaker 1: to be exactly where she is, and combine that with
35:48
Speaker 1: reports he is extremely jealous of her knee relationship and
35:52
Speaker 1: she ends up dead. Uh no, no, no no. And
35:57
Speaker 1: I find it interesting what Dave mac, syndicated talk show host,
36:00
Speaker 1: was saying about him popping up with his swipe card
36:03
Speaker 1: all over the ship. Why what does he do? Is
36:07
Speaker 1: he following them? What exactly is he doing? Or is
36:11
Speaker 1: something even more nefarious occurred? Does he know what happened
36:15
Speaker 1: to Lee Egan, crime online reporter joining us Lee way In, Um,
36:21
Speaker 1: I think there's something very strange with all three men.
36:24
Speaker 1: I think all three need to be reinterviewed. I think
36:27
Speaker 1: the Australian Police or whoever's handling this at this point,
36:31
Speaker 1: you need to do their job. They let these guys goum.
36:34
Speaker 1: Do they even know where they are at this point?
36:36
Speaker 1: I think Kathy said once in China? Do they know
36:39
Speaker 1: how to find him? All three, all three of them
36:42
Speaker 1: have to be reinterviewed and thoroughly know. This reminds me
36:45
Speaker 1: so much to Michelle Barton joining us. This is the
36:47
Speaker 1: mother of Tanner Barton. Uh just uh scrubbed with sunshine,
36:52
Speaker 1: young college student who mysteriously passed away, and she has
36:58
Speaker 1: been crusading ever to find the truth. Michelle, what Kathy
37:04
Speaker 1: and Mike Castanlis are saying ring so true to your story?
37:08
Speaker 1: What is your advice? How do you keep going and
37:12
Speaker 1: keep that search for justice alive? Michelle? Well, my heart
37:17
Speaker 1: goes out to um, Mike and Cathy. It's awful. Um,
37:21
Speaker 1: God bless you. UM. It's I just pushed forward. I
37:25
Speaker 1: never ever stopped because Tanner, Tanna deserves more. Tanna deserves truth,
37:31
Speaker 1: Tanna deserves answers, and so does their daughter. So I
37:34
Speaker 1: just keep pushing, keep pushing, keep putting the spotlight on everyone.
37:40
Speaker 1: Like the investigation with Tanner, Michelle, there are so many
37:45
Speaker 1: holes in the investigation of Jackie's death, and it's just
37:50
Speaker 1: very disheartening. How do you keep going and plugging away
37:53
Speaker 1: trying to find out the truth, Michelle, I don't know.
37:57
Speaker 1: By God's grace, I honestly, I just every day I
38:02
Speaker 1: woke up. It's a it's a full time job. It's
38:04
Speaker 1: twenty four hour job, seven days a week. I never stopped.
38:07
Speaker 1: I never stopped well, listen to this what I am
38:11
Speaker 1: learning as I investigate more and more into her death.
38:14
Speaker 1: I learned that police never examined the ex boyfriend romans
38:18
Speaker 1: computers and the cruise ship ends up leaving Australia with
38:23
Speaker 1: the three men on board, all right, and the his
38:26
Speaker 1: computer was never searched. I'm talking about his laptop, his iPad,
38:31
Speaker 1: his iPhone. They did not test the sheets and pillow
38:35
Speaker 1: cases in her room for d NA. They didn't rule
38:39
Speaker 1: out the first responders. They did not check her cabin
38:42
Speaker 1: for fingerprints. That is elementary, that is number one, you
38:48
Speaker 1: take fingerprints in DNA. The Northern Territory forensic examiners did
38:53
Speaker 1: not test her for the drug ketamine, which stunned her family. Also.
38:59
Speaker 1: The family then goes on to organize an independent blood
39:02
Speaker 1: and tissue analysis to be done in the US where
39:05
Speaker 1: they know that it will be done correctly, but the
39:09
Speaker 1: police refused to cooperate. The US consulate had to get involved,
39:16
Speaker 1: and so what happened then, Cathy, after the consulate gets involved. Well,
39:20
Speaker 1: this is where we are now, and this is why
39:22
Speaker 1: we appreciate you shining a light on this so strongly.
39:25
Speaker 1: We are in a position right now where the corner.
39:27
Speaker 1: There's a new corner. It's an elected office, I believe,
39:30
Speaker 1: and he's considering reopening the investigation. Um. What happened when
39:34
Speaker 1: we tried to get the evidence moved here was that
39:37
Speaker 1: there was open opposition by the pathologist who had done
39:41
Speaker 1: the autopsy. He did not want a second review a
39:43
Speaker 1: lab technician. I don't like that, right there? Hold on,
39:47
Speaker 1: Justice got Morgan, a death investigator and professor forensics. You
39:52
Speaker 1: know what when I was in the d a's office,
39:55
Speaker 1: you know, for ten years, I try cases constantly. We
39:58
Speaker 1: were on trial every other week. If I suddenly had to,
40:03
Speaker 1: uh say, I got a speedy child demand and I
40:05
Speaker 1: had to go forward with another case or else there
40:07
Speaker 1: be an acquittal, I had no problem handing my files
40:10
Speaker 1: over to somebody else saying, look, take this file, I've
40:14
Speaker 1: got it ready. Ask me anything you want to know.
40:17
Speaker 1: Get busy. It's going to go to trial in a
40:19
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And I'm I'm called off on a
40:21
Speaker 1: murder trial. I mean why, I mean, what's there to hide?
40:25
Speaker 1: Why doesn't he want another medical examiner to look at
40:29
Speaker 1: the results. Why explain that to me? Joe Scott, There
40:32
Speaker 1: is no explanation for it. Nancy, the reality is this,
40:35
Speaker 1: you do, you work as a professional. You meet, you
40:38
Speaker 1: meet and exceed the standard by which you are are
40:42
Speaker 1: conferred that title of forensic pathologists. And you should not
40:46
Speaker 1: worry about what someone else is going to think about
40:48
Speaker 1: the case. Let the chips fall where they may. This
40:51
Speaker 1: is a major problem with this case, and this backs
40:54
Speaker 1: up all the way to the scene. Nancy. There is
40:56
Speaker 1: a there is a thread that runs through this thing
40:58
Speaker 1: that stinks to high heaven. Even at university, at this
41:01
Speaker 1: young age, I teach my students that every death, not
41:04
Speaker 1: some death, but every death, all deaths are considered a
41:07
Speaker 1: homicide until proven otherwise. It goes back to the legal adage.
41:12
Speaker 1: You can never unring the bell once you cross that
41:15
Speaker 1: threshold into that cabin. If you go in there slipshod
41:19
Speaker 1: and you just act as if this is just a
41:21
Speaker 1: death and it's probably a natural death because we don't
41:24
Speaker 1: see things overturned and and a struggle and all that
41:28
Speaker 1: sort of thing. That assumption is going to wreck the
41:30
Speaker 1: entire case. And it has made the life of these
41:33
Speaker 1: parents pure hell at the hell hell. So the family
41:37
Speaker 1: has to go out the Caustionnellis have to go out
41:39
Speaker 1: on their own to organize independent blood and tissue analysis
41:43
Speaker 1: in the US. At that time, the anti police Northern
41:47
Speaker 1: Territory refused to cooperate the consulate. They have to call
41:50
Speaker 1: in the U s Consulate. So the Northern Territory Police
41:55
Speaker 1: finally admit failure and they send a package of samples
42:00
Speaker 1: to their counterparts in Groveland, Massachusetts and to the FBI. Now,
42:06
Speaker 1: please tell me I'm wrong, Mike. When the FBI opens
42:10
Speaker 1: the package, they find tissue samples, but the blood samples
42:14
Speaker 1: and the autopsy photos are missing. That's correct, And the
42:18
Speaker 1: words of the FBI agent um the two most important pieces,
42:25
Speaker 1: the blood sample and the autopsy photos, we're missing. I
42:29
Speaker 1: don't understand it. What is what is the Northern Territory Police?
42:35
Speaker 1: What is that? Mike? Well, yes, the good question. Is
42:41
Speaker 1: that Australia the way we've heard it best described. Oh, yes,
42:45
Speaker 1: it's it's a It's a section of the outback. It's
42:48
Speaker 1: very remote. Uh and Darwin is perhaps the only real
42:52
Speaker 1: big city in that area upon the So let me
42:56
Speaker 1: understand my question, elis they come onto the up what's
43:01
Speaker 1: the name of the ship again, Mike, the Seventh Seas Voyager,
43:05
Speaker 1: the Seventh Seas voyager and they what take over the investigation?
43:10
Speaker 1: Is that what happened and then they boughtch it that's
43:13
Speaker 1: my understanding. Oh oh okay, So what's happening right now, Mike,
43:23
Speaker 1: what's happening with Jackie's case right now? Well, it's things
43:28
Speaker 1: have really uh broken open here over the last few
43:32
Speaker 1: weeks as a result of an article that was in
43:35
Speaker 1: the Australian Sunday magazine UM and one of their reporters
43:41
Speaker 1: had made contact with his Cameron Stewart, and he really
43:46
Speaker 1: got things start moving forward again for us. We've been
43:51
Speaker 1: in a holding pattern really for the last two and
43:55
Speaker 1: a half three years, with just resistance that every turn
44:00
Speaker 1: corner UM. But this now we're starting to get people
44:04
Speaker 1: at least talking to us uh and people obviously are
44:07
Speaker 1: taking notice. I'm assuming that's how you also heard of
44:12
Speaker 1: I read about it. I heard about her case and
44:14
Speaker 1: that started investigating it. And I mean, what you've suffered
44:18
Speaker 1: with losing her is devastating, but then not knowing what
44:23
Speaker 1: happened and having people I know it's not intentional, I'm
44:28
Speaker 1: sure it's just slipshod work, but it's almost as if
44:30
Speaker 1: they're sabotaging your search for what really happened and what's
44:35
Speaker 1: really getting to me aside from that is claiming that
44:39
Speaker 1: she had some sort of a heart ailment mind. Um, yeah,
44:44
Speaker 1: the and you had mentioned it earlier that that type
44:47
Speaker 1: of heart ailment is something that does have a genetic base.
44:52
Speaker 1: We've all been tested, both of her brothers as well
44:56
Speaker 1: as us, and we there's no evidence whoever, to support
45:01
Speaker 1: that type of funding. Kathleen, when she was found, this
45:04
Speaker 1: is Kathy castornellis Jackie's mom. Did she have on her
45:08
Speaker 1: pj's did she still have on the close you or
45:11
Speaker 1: to the beach party? Was she unclothed? Could you tell
45:16
Speaker 1: if she had gotten ready for bed, like taking off
45:18
Speaker 1: from makeup and all that. What do we know about
45:21
Speaker 1: the way she was found Kathy? Um, well, we didn't.
45:24
Speaker 1: We know just from the witness statements of white, the
45:26
Speaker 1: the maid or whatever that went into her side, like
45:29
Speaker 1: initially a steward. I think it went to the cabin
45:32
Speaker 1: and opened it because her alarm was going off, her
45:34
Speaker 1: alarm to wake up on her BlackBerry, and she wasn't
45:37
Speaker 1: where she was supposed to be, so they were concerned.
45:39
Speaker 1: And um, so she was in bed covered up, but
45:42
Speaker 1: she had on just her her black underwear typical for
45:46
Speaker 1: her would be more of a T shirt and a
45:47
Speaker 1: pair of unaware of her bed, and she had all
45:50
Speaker 1: of her makeup on. Still, um, which is a little
45:54
Speaker 1: not to that normal for not that normal. Known typically
45:56
Speaker 1: she takes good care of her skin. She's in the
45:58
Speaker 1: performance industry. Um, So, I mean, I just can't go
46:03
Speaker 1: to bed with makeup on my face. It just I
46:06
Speaker 1: can't even stand the thought of it. But but but
46:11
Speaker 1: typically typically she would remove the makeup. Yes, and she
46:16
Speaker 1: didn't have on her customary T shirt. But that's not
46:20
Speaker 1: that alarming one way or the other. But they didn't
46:23
Speaker 1: even pick up her clothing that she had worn that night.
46:27
Speaker 1: You would think they to test taken that into evidence.
46:30
Speaker 1: And we did not know that. So when all this
46:33
Speaker 1: all they was shipped home, we you know, we donated it,
46:37
Speaker 1: We dispensed of it, you know, except for some special items.
46:40
Speaker 1: We didn't realize that they would have shipped home clothing
46:43
Speaker 1: that might have possibly been important. My stars, right, Yes,
46:48
Speaker 1: we didn't know. What can we do to help? Um? Well,
46:52
Speaker 1: at this point I think that shining the light like
46:54
Speaker 1: you did to bring it, keeping the public awareness on
46:57
Speaker 1: it shows the corners at UM, we're committed. This is
47:02
Speaker 1: a new corner. This is not the corner that closed
47:04
Speaker 1: the case. UM. So it's a new corner. There's a
47:08
Speaker 1: new attorney general, and we're hopeful that if we continue
47:14
Speaker 1: to we're still communicating with them, We're trying, we're getting
47:17
Speaker 1: information to them, We're trying to answer all their questions
47:20
Speaker 1: about why we think it should be reopened. And so
47:25
Speaker 1: the more people that can weigh in, that can say,
47:27
Speaker 1: you know, as you had your experts say on the
47:29
Speaker 1: air that this is not a standard for We had
47:33
Speaker 1: pathologists from the FBI say that they typically deal with
47:36
Speaker 1: death around the world and everybody shares information if it
47:39
Speaker 1: helps figure out why someone's child died, why wouldn't you
47:42
Speaker 1: share everything. Um. At this time, we're still looking for
47:46
Speaker 1: her blood sample. That's our biggest concern. We are that
47:49
Speaker 1: one of there is a statement. We don't have confirmation
47:54
Speaker 1: that perhaps one of the blood samples was actually destroyed
47:56
Speaker 1: by the police. We're not sure, but we're I'm still
48:00
Speaker 1: hopeful that if we continue to keep this in the spotlight,
48:04
Speaker 1: that they will produce there were two blood samples, that
48:07
Speaker 1: there's a possibility that there's still a blood sample there.
48:09
Speaker 1: This is what I want. I want to know the truth.
48:14
Speaker 1: I want justice for Jackie's family. I don't buy some
48:19
Speaker 1: hereditary heart elment. Something happened on that cruise ship and
48:25
Speaker 1: we are calling out for the case to be reopened
48:28
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