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Bobby Robertson - Multi-Award-Winning Actor & Author, Evolve Origins · Next Act with Jeff Ornstein

• 0:01
  Jeff Ornstein: Hi everyone, and welcome to Next Act with Jeff Orenstein.
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  Jeff Ornstein: I am Jeff, and on this show we celebrate people on the cusp of greatness.
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  Jeff Ornstein: Those building on past successes in some of the curious and inventive and sometimes unexpected ways they have achieved those, and stepping into moments that could define their legacy.
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  Jeff Ornstein: We'll talk about current projects, lessons learned, and the extraordinary opportunities ahead.
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  Jeff Ornstein: So the best is yet to come.
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  Jeff Ornstein: Today's guest is Bobby Robertson, a Scottish actor, author, and storyteller whose creative journey spans stage, screen, and the written word.
• 0:37
  Jeff Ornstein: With years of experience in theater, film, and independent productions, Bobby has built a career around bringing compelling characters and imaginative worlds to life.
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  Jeff Ornstein: Bobby is the creator and author of Evolve Origins, a science fiction adventure series that explores expansive worlds, unforgettable characters, and the power of imagination.
• 0:56
  Jeff Ornstein: His creative work reflects his passion for storytelling, whether he is performing on screen, developing original film projects, or writing new chapters in his growing literary universe.
• 1:07
  Jeff Ornstein: Bobby, we are delighted to have you here today.
• 1:09
  Jeff Ornstein: Welcome.
• 1:10
  Bobby Robertson: Thanks very much, Jeff.
• 1:11
  Bobby Robertson: Great to be here.
• 1:13
  Jeff Ornstein: Good.
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  Jeff Ornstein: I am psyched.
• 1:14
  Jeff Ornstein: And I'll tell you, and to our listeners, we have a multi-award-winning best actor with us today for your work in Wild is the North.
• 1:24
  Jeff Ornstein: And I was blown away when I did my extra research on you that it seems like audiences loved you.
• 1:30
  Jeff Ornstein: So tell me a little bit about more about this film.
• 1:33
  Jeff Ornstein: And I want a lot of our listeners to go and play it and watch it.
• 1:36
  Jeff Ornstein: Now, after they get to see the Bobby behind the character, tell us about the show, the movie, and your role in it.
• 1:42
  Bobby Robertson: Well, this goes back to about 2018, about before COVID.
• 1:47
  Bobby Robertson: And in fact, it was maybe 2017.
• 1:49
  Bobby Robertson: And what happened was I got to meet an actor who appeared in lots of documentaries reenacting different characters on Discovery Channel and so forth.
• 2:02
  Bobby Robertson: He's played Egyptian people, he's played North people.
• 2:06
  Bobby Robertson: You know, it's like in historical reenactment type documentaries.
• 2:10
  Bobby Robertson: But he's also been in feature films, he's been on several Star Wars films, he was Merlin and Guy Richie's King Arthur movie.
• 2:18
  Bobby Robertson: And what happened was I had a chance meeting with him, and we went and met each other for coffee in Edinburgh.
• 2:25
  Bobby Robertson: His brother stays in Edinburgh and he came to see his brother, but we arranged to meet one another and just we'll discuss about maybe making a short film together.
• 2:35
  Bobby Robertson: So as we spoke about this film, we were like talking about what type of genre we could make it, whether make it like into a horror film or you know like a gangster movie.
• 2:48
  Bobby Robertson: But we decided in the end to make it into like a historical movie, and what had happened for that was within an hour or so after meeting Camille, Camille Leme's name is, she's a Polish actor.
• 3:03
  Bobby Robertson: I went home, I went and researched the characters for the film.
• 3:08
  Bobby Robertson: The character I played was an old Scottish king, King Malcolm II, who was around Scotland in the 11th century.
• 3:17
  Bobby Robertson: And Camille's character was a character called Jeremiah, who was one of King Canute's messengers.
• 3:24
  Bobby Robertson: In Britain back then, it was like a big mix of cultures, you know, like all your Anglo Saxon type, all your Viking type of characters that you know, which was blending the culture in Britain at that time.
• 3:41
  Bobby Robertson: And what happens is Canute senses a big invasion from France.
• 3:47
  Bobby Robertson: So what he does is he sends his messenger up past Hadrian's Wall, which used to be a big border wall between Scotland and England, and try and find uh King of Scotland.
• 4:00
  Bobby Robertson: And what I did was within a few hours of researching the actual role, I came up with a script.
• 4:09
  Bobby Robertson: It wasn't a long script at all.
• 4:11
  Bobby Robertson: It was maybe about, I don't know, maybe seven or eight pages long.
• 4:16
  Bobby Robertson: And we just kind of organized a film shoot, cast it and organized a film shoot.
• 4:23
  Bobby Robertson: Went up to the Highlands of Scotland and shot it.
• 4:26
  Bobby Robertson: And it was fantastic.
• 4:28
  Bobby Robertson: It was a great experience, and to this day I'm still very proud of it.
• 4:33
  Jeff Ornstein: Well, it's interesting because it sounds like it segues into it, or there's part of that role and the story for that matter, that are not dissimilar to Evolve Origins, this historical element, but it's also it's so long ago, it's almost fantastical.
• 4:49
  Jeff Ornstein: So it doesn't surprise me that you could dig your teeth into that role and really bring it to life, knowing your passion for Evolve Origins, which of course we really have to spend some time talking about.
• 5:01
  Jeff Ornstein: So Evolve Origins is a novel series, and how did you come to the decision?
• 5:09
  Jeff Ornstein: Because that's a big undertaking, a massive undertaking, that you wanted to create this world and these cast of characters in this far-off place and a galaxy long, long ago, if you will.
• 5:20
  Jeff Ornstein: I mean, where did you get the inspiration to want to take that on?
• 5:24
  Bobby Robertson: Well, for years, even before I became an actor, I was a huge film fan, you know.
• 5:28
  Bobby Robertson: I just loved a lot of Spielberg's work.
• 5:31
  Bobby Robertson: I was a huge fan of Star Wars, George Lucas, and it was like a mixture of that and a mixture of what happened in my young life where the character Tommy comes from in the Volve Origins novel.
• 5:45
  Bobby Robertson: And Tommy in the in the novel is uh he's a huge Star Wars fan, and it's funny because his life is kind of similar to like Luke Skywalker's journey, and I mean it's not exactly the same, but they've kind of had like a similar path to where they went to.
• 6:08
  Bobby Robertson: So, you know, you're gonna get some people when they read the start of the novel, it's like a lot of it's based into the late 70s, from like my age when I was at school, and Tommy had a bit of a bad time at school, and a lot of it starts really gritty, like a gritty drama on anything you would see on the TV, and then it just kind of goes off.
• 6:30
  Bobby Robertson: I mean, I don't want to give too much away, but it goes off in like a science fiction tangent, and in the book as well, Tommy's like a pure non-believer when it comes to stuff like ghosts or cryptids or anything like that.
• 6:46
  Bobby Robertson: But in this book, his eyes are totally opened from what he sees, and when he comes across a mysterious billionaire called Altador Bastian, who's like a in a way he's like a good Elon Musk, you know, type guy.
• 7:01
  Bobby Robertson: Yeah, well, I'll be perfectly honest with you.
• 7:27
  Bobby Robertson: Since I was really young, I've always wanted to be an actor.
• 7:30
  Bobby Robertson: My family were very working class.
• 7:33
  Bobby Robertson: My my father he worked like as a docker.
• 7:37
  Bobby Robertson: He would be one of these guys who would take the cargo from the ships onto like off the boats and stuff, and he was a very hard-working man.
• 7:44
  Bobby Robertson: My dad would work lots of long hours, and so was my mum, she was a hard worker too.
• 7:49
  Bobby Robertson: And they wanted me to be like them, just like my dad always used to say to me, When you finish school, you're working with me.
• 7:57
  Bobby Robertson: I used to be like, Yeah, dad, no problems, I would get money and stuff.
• 8:04
  Bobby Robertson: But but then come nearer the time, come nearer when I was leaving school, I've I was conflicted, you know.
• 8:11
  Bobby Robertson: I was thinking, well, what do I want to do?
• 8:13
  Bobby Robertson: Do I want to go and work with my dad or pursue my dreams?
• 8:16
  Bobby Robertson: And when I say pursue my dreams, I thought I'm gonna have to go against my parents by doing this and just see what their reaction is.
• 8:24
  Bobby Robertson: So what I did was applied for drama school, and I auditioned to get into drama school when I was 15, and I got in.
• 8:33
  Bobby Robertson: And what had happened was, you know, I was there for about maybe three or four months, cut a long story short.
• 8:37
  Bobby Robertson: I learned quite a lot from my time there, but then what had happened was I only had about four months left when I was at school, but my mum and dad thought I was still going to school when I was going to drama school, so I was like skipping school to go to this other place.
• 8:54
  Bobby Robertson: So I was getting letters from the school saying, you know, Bobby's not attending school, and I was like getting the letters when I was going to drama school, and I was just pocketing them in my pocket and then just going out.
• 9:06
  Bobby Robertson: So I got the two truancy letters.
• 9:09
  Bobby Robertson: I didn't get the third one though, and my mum found that, and then what happened was my dad he came in after an early shift and just went absolutely crazy at me.
• 9:23
  Bobby Robertson: And then he was like, I mean, my dad was a great man, but I mean he was old school back in late 80s, early 90s.
• 9:31
  Bobby Robertson: It was like your parents would say stuff like, Are you going on the town?
• 9:35
  Bobby Robertson: What's wrong with you?
• 9:35
  Bobby Robertson: Why do you want to be an actor?
• 9:36
  Bobby Robertson: and blah blah blah blah.
• 9:37
  Bobby Robertson: And I just say it's because I want to act, and they're like, Be real, get in the real world, and all this stuff.
• 9:43
  Bobby Robertson: So I ended up going joining the Royal Mail in the post office, and I was with them for years.
• 9:51
  Bobby Robertson: But then what I did was out of Royal Mail, I was doing stuff amateur, like amateur theatre and so forth, still doing Edinburgh French, Edinburgh Festivals and stuff like that with the theatre company.
• 10:02
  Bobby Robertson: But I just as the years went by, I just wanted to just act, kept on becoming a supporting actor and different things, and then it was like jumping from different agents, agencies, and then each agent was like a different knot, and like when I was getting to a particular notch, I was getting better roles, so then I was getting like feature film roles and just little roles and shows like Outlander and Outlander Blood of My Blood.
• 10:32
  Bobby Robertson: So it's been a process, it's just like slowly climbing the ladder type thing.
• 10:37
  Bobby Robertson: But the writing aspect, I just wanted to just do that because I really wanted to do it.
• 10:43
  Jeff Ornstein: This is a classic story of the passion that won't be suppressed.
• 10:48
  Jeff Ornstein: So that you the passion was there.
• 10:50
  Jeff Ornstein: And I mean, obviously, you know, everybody wants to please their parents, and you know deep down the parents wanting you to have like something really concrete where you can make a living and support yourself comes from a really uh deep place of love and affection.
• 11:05
  Jeff Ornstein: They want to see you succeed and lead a good life, so it's really a juggling act.
• 11:10
  Jeff Ornstein: Well, I mean, to what do you do with the passion and how do you kind of keep the peace in the family?
• 11:15
  Jeff Ornstein: It's tricky, but it sounds like you navigated it.
• 11:18
  Jeff Ornstein: And doesn't it sound like I mean between your acting and your writing that you're you are fulfilling these passions, which is phenomenal.
• 11:26
  Jeff Ornstein: And again, blew me away.
• 11:27
  Jeff Ornstein: You got a lot of kudos for your work, so that's great.
• 11:31
  Jeff Ornstein: Would you want to see your writing on the silver screen?
• 11:35
  Jeff Ornstein: Does do you can you see Valve Origins becoming like a trilogy, like a Harry Potter thing or a Star Trek thing?
• 11:42
  Bobby Robertson: Or yeah, I would love that.
• 11:44
  Bobby Robertson: Sorry, before I go into this question, I just want to let you know my mom and dad were fantastic people.
• 11:49
  Bobby Robertson: Oh, but it was just back then, it's just how they were, and they were thinking about me, and you know, but that was just that was there.
• 11:56
  Jeff Ornstein: Parents are just thinking long term and they want you to be secure and everything.
• 12:00
  Jeff Ornstein: I mean, I I think many parents would have the same approach.
• 12:03
  Jeff Ornstein: So you've got to have something that's gonna put a roof over your head, guaranteed, and food on your plate.
• 12:08
  Jeff Ornstein: I think it's just the parents' sense of protection.
• 12:11
  Jeff Ornstein: So I think it's more common than not that they would encourage you to be grounded and but yet for an artist like yourself, the passion, you can't just stifle it.
• 12:21
  Jeff Ornstein: It's there, it's been bubbling your whole life, it's clear.
• 12:24
  Jeff Ornstein: So no disrespect at all to your parents.
• 12:27
  Jeff Ornstein: I think that they're they were doing the parental thing.
• 12:30
  Bobby Robertson: But going back to your question there, that's something which I really hope comes out of my writing because I'm so proud of Evolve Origins and the reviews it's had, especially from Table Read magazine, which is one of the top reviewers in the UK for reviewing books, and the review I got from them blew my way.
• 12:53
  Bobby Robertson: I thought to myself, I thought with me being a novice and writing a novel, I thought I was a little bit nervous, but the review I got from them was really fantastic.
• 13:03
  Bobby Robertson: But going back to the other novels, I'm wanting to write five in the series of the Evolve Origins series.
• 13:10
  Bobby Robertson: I've already completed one, and I'm a quarter of the way through part the this is the funny bit, like the part which I've completed is the probably the last episode of Evolve Origins, because I was hoping just to make the two at the first at first, but just with the response I got from the first book and the the readers that enjoyed the characters, I thought to myself, you know what?
• 13:35
  Bobby Robertson: I'm going to write another two novels in between the one which I've completed.
• 13:41
  Bobby Robertson: The novel I've completed, the second one's called Origins Evolution, which is Evolve Origins Backwards, you know.
• 13:46
  Bobby Robertson: And the one I'm working on just now is this it's officially part two, and it's called Claw Foot Appalachia, and that's set in West Virginia and the States.
• 13:59
  Jeff Ornstein: Well, I have to say, there's a precedent for that with prequels being written, being mixed match, so to speak.
• 14:07
  Jeff Ornstein: So it's interesting that as a writer, that's part of your process too.
• 14:11
  Jeff Ornstein: How do you decide what stories would make what storylines are better in written form or maybe better in a screenplay?
• 14:22
  Jeff Ornstein: Is there something that would call to you to make something specifically for the screen and something specifically for the book?
• 14:30
  Bobby Robertson: You just have to disuse your imagination, Jeff.
• 14:32
  Bobby Robertson: I watch a lot of films either like on your different platforms, and a lot of films are just like a lot of them have the same type of story.
• 14:43
  Bobby Robertson: Like if you watch something which is a space film, or it's like when you had Star Wars and you get other films which try and imitate Star Wars or Star Trek, or you get like a werewolf movie, and a lot of werewolf films are the same, or Frankenstein or Dracula, even there's hundreds of Dracula movies.
• 15:00
  Bobby Robertson: I just wanted to make it something which is original, something a story which could be which is believable.
• 15:08
  Bobby Robertson: I like to base my stories on characters which existed, or base the characters on characters which did exist and base it on them.
• 15:20
  Bobby Robertson: It's like obviously Tommy is based on myself and his family is based on my family, but in Clough Appalachia, it's based on I mean particular characters, it's kind of set in the 1880s in Pocahontas in West Virginia.
• 15:39
  Bobby Robertson: And and what happens is there's a mineral which is in Evolve Origins called Ranzine, and it does really crazy stuff to your DNA, and then as part of the coal field, they find some Ranzine as well as coal, and then just how could I put it?
• 15:59
  Bobby Robertson: Just all hell breaks breaks out when one of the miners comes into contact with it.
• 16:05
  Bobby Robertson: That's what I'm really gonna say about that, but it's gonna be a crazy movie, and it's based on a lot of the myths in Appalachia, especially with the Bigfoot legend, werewolf legend as well.
• 16:19
  Bobby Robertson: So, you know, I'm gonna kind of make it something which is different, very original.
• 16:25
  Bobby Robertson: I believe if you're gonna write something, be original and just I want an audience to enjoy my books.
• 16:33
  Bobby Robertson: I don't want them to think, oh well, I've read something like that not that long ago.
• 16:37
  Bobby Robertson: And yeah, it's kind of similar.
• 16:38
  Bobby Robertson: I want it to be different totally.
• 16:40
  Jeff Ornstein: You're setting the bar high for yourself because this is when you're talking about creating a whole new universe that doesn't exist, but there's a thirst for this kind of media, but coming to mind is Avatar or Stranger Things or these stories that are fantastical, but well, Stranger Things in a contemporary environment, somewhat contemporary environment.
• 16:58
  Jeff Ornstein: So there are readers and film goers out there that are waiting for your work, I think.
• 17:04
  Jeff Ornstein: I think are eager for it.
• 17:05
  Jeff Ornstein: There's a thirst for it.
• 17:08
  Bobby Robertson: Well, I mean, I'd like to think so.
• 17:10
  Bobby Robertson: It's like Scotland, where I live, it's quite a hard crack to nut, especi a hard nut to crack, especially when it comes to people acting, when it comes to people writing, they're very selective.
• 17:24
  Bobby Robertson: A lot of the the Scottish film industry is based around Glasgow, and I believe me being an Edinburgh person, it's it makes it a little bit harder to crack that nut.
• 17:35
  Bobby Robertson: Well, if I was from Glasgow, I do believe it would be a lot better for me.
• 17:41
  Bobby Robertson: But Edinburgh and Glasgow are so close to one another.
• 17:44
  Bobby Robertson: I mean, if they needed me through there, I would be there in about an hour or so like that, you know.
• 17:49
  Bobby Robertson: But it's difficult being in the film industry here, they're very selective with who they get in their films and so forth.
• 17:56
  Bobby Robertson: But you know, it's just like I know my audience, especially in America, it's like when I did Wild as the North, it's like when I had that on the platforms, I was getting lots of great comments from lots of people from America, and a lot of these people that enjoyed it were massive outlander fans.
• 18:17
  Bobby Robertson: And then I believe because of that, I've got my little roles on the outlander shows.
• 18:25
  Bobby Robertson: You know, it just shows you what could kind of snowball.
• 18:29
  Jeff Ornstein: And I had a great time.
• 18:30
  Jeff Ornstein: Are you working on a short film right now?
• 18:33
  Jeff Ornstein: Is there one percolating in your brain?
• 18:35
  Bobby Robertson: Or well, I've wrote uh another short film and it's a ghost story, and it's called Living in the Room.
• 18:41
  Bobby Robertson: And I've given it to this director, Cal William Samson, who's ironically a Glasgow director, and he's going to work on that, which is based on a man who lost his wife through a hit and run, the car.
• 18:56
  Bobby Robertson: And every now and then he gets like a migraine, and when he gets a migraine, his wife always appears like in a ghost form.
• 19:07
  Bobby Robertson: And then just what happens with that is to cut a long story short, he goes to the hospital, and you know, they tell him he's got a tumour in his brain, so he's forlorn, he doesn't know what to do.
• 19:19
  Bobby Robertson: So, what happens is one particular day he's washing the dishes in his sink and his migraine gets really bad, and then he kind of feels that there's someone behind him, and then what happens is he just feels this cold touch against his head, and then he collapses, and then that's the end of that scene, and then he has a friend on another scene, and his friend looks really sad, but then he comes into that scene with his friend, and then he was found unconscious on the floor by his neighbour because the door was open.
• 19:53
  Bobby Robertson: He gets taken to hospital, and what happens is he gets scanned in his head, and his brain, the tumor in his brain has disappeared, and that's because his wife touched his head and made the tumor disappear, like the ghost of his wife.
• 20:11
  Jeff Ornstein: Don't give away the ending, don't give it away the tell me this.
• 20:15
  Jeff Ornstein: I mean, uh it seems to me like you got so many stories in your brain that are aching to come out, and stories that you're uh pursuing to perform, and your career has been marked by slow and steady, easy go.
• 20:32
  Jeff Ornstein: You touched on it earlier.
• 20:33
  Jeff Ornstein: Each time when you if you made a move with management to a slightly better click, a little click-up thing for more prestigious roles.
• 20:40
  Jeff Ornstein: What would you share with people that are trying to consider making a shift and adding theater to their CV?
• 20:51
  Jeff Ornstein: They might have other daily commitments or to support themselves financially and their families, but you've done it, but slow and steady, easygoing.
• 21:00
  Jeff Ornstein: How do you express patience to somebody who's thinking about it but hasn't really committed to it yet?
• 21:07
  Bobby Robertson: Well, I believe it's always good to be proactive with the creativity, it's like when you're in your mind.
• 21:15
  Bobby Robertson: I don't believe that sitting about all day in a house and just watching the TV, don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching films myself, but I think to myself, you know, well, what else could I do?
• 21:25
  Bobby Robertson: Yeah, if I wasn't getting any acting work coming up, then what I would do is it's like right now, writing my books are keeping me occupied right now.
• 21:35
  Bobby Robertson: And I believe over the next year and a half, maybe two years, up until I finish those books, you know, that's going to keep me busy.
• 21:42
  Bobby Robertson: So to me, I'm not really that first.
• 21:44
  Bobby Robertson: I'm at an age now where I've done a lot of acting work, I've did theatre, I've did television, I've did feature films.
• 21:52
  Bobby Robertson: Personally, I don't sound arrogant sane, is I don't feel like I need to prove myself to anyone and what I could do.
• 22:00
  Bobby Robertson: But you know, I'm at an age now where I'm different from when I was younger.
• 22:03
  Bobby Robertson: When I was younger, I was very impatient.
• 22:05
  Bobby Robertson: You know, I was like, oh, what do you get acting work?
• 22:06
  Bobby Robertson: But I need to get this, I need to do that.
• 22:08
  Bobby Robertson: But now I know I've did act like different aspects of acting work.
• 22:14
  Bobby Robertson: If I get more brilliant, it's a bonus.
• 22:17
  Bobby Robertson: But you know, I'm just so enjoying my writing just now, and I can't wait to share with yourself and your viewers the rest of my books because they're gonna blow you away if you like fantastical stories, which with characters which are real characters, you know, talking but not that's campus like your Batman and Robin type, that's like just genuine people that you would maybe meet in a bar or and they're just really genuine and they're gone on this big adventure.
• 22:46
  Bobby Robertson: And it's like in my first book, the audience related to those characters, and it makes me feel good, and then it'll make probably make me want to write more once I've done the the rest of the series.
• 23:00
  Jeff Ornstein: Okay, I think one of the things that I take away from listening to you speak about your crafts is the authenticity in which you approach it.
• 23:08
  Jeff Ornstein: If you want it, you make time for it.
• 23:10
  Jeff Ornstein: If you have this passion burning in you, you can't just shut it off.
• 23:14
  Jeff Ornstein: The difficult decisions you made when you were younger, the decisions you make now, like you know, okay, I'm gonna go slow and steady, and I'm gonna work on my books right now, and there'll be a time for me to work on my acting.
• 23:24
  Jeff Ornstein: And I think most importantly, is to enjoy all of it along the way.
• 23:29
  Jeff Ornstein: That's what I get from you.
• 23:31
  Jeff Ornstein: And I think that's really a healthy outlook that a lot of the people that are listening to this are gonna benefit from.
• 23:37
  Jeff Ornstein: So, Bobby, I thoroughly enjoyed meeting you.
• 23:40
  Jeff Ornstein: I am gonna keep my eyes open when you release your next book.
• 23:44
  Jeff Ornstein: Perhaps you'll call us back up and we can talk about it after I've had a chance to read it, of course.
• 23:49
  Jeff Ornstein: Go ahead.
• 23:50
  Bobby Robertson: I was gonna say as well, Jeff, I've got a YouTube channel and it's called Bobster's World, like B-O-B-S-T-E-R-S World.
• 23:58
  Bobby Robertson: So if any of your viewers would like to check that out, and yourself included, you're more than welcome.
• 24:04
  Jeff Ornstein: I will totally check that out, and I would encourage our other readers because we've had more time than everyone's gonna get from this podcast to getting to know one another, and I'm sure that they are wonderful, and I would love to tap into that.
• 24:16
  Jeff Ornstein: Absolutely.
• 24:16
  Jeff Ornstein: When I get home tonight, I know what I'm doing.
• 24:19
  Bobby Robertson: Excellent, Jeff.
• 24:20
  Bobby Robertson: Fantastic.
• 24:21
  Jeff Ornstein: All right, so I'm gonna close with a quote here today: risk anything, care no more for the opinions of others for those voices.
• 24:28
  Jeff Ornstein: Do the hardest thing on earth for you, act for yourself, face the truth.
• 24:33
  Jeff Ornstein: And that was stated by Catherine Mansfield, and it reminds me of you, Bobby, I will say.
• 24:38
  Jeff Ornstein: Okay.
• 24:41
  Jeff Ornstein: Well, have a great evening.
• 24:42
  Jeff Ornstein: Thanks again for coming on.
• 24:44
  Jeff Ornstein: Absolutely.
• 24:44
  Jeff Ornstein: Thanks again, Jeff.
• 24:45
  Jeff Ornstein: Really enjoy that.
• 24:46
  Jeff Ornstein: You're welcome.
• 24:48
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• 24:51
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• 24:58
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• 25:01
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