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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of The Stranger: Breach of the Peace · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Look what you made me do. How was somebody new?
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  Oh, baby, baby, I'm dancing with a stranger.
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  Look what you made me do. How was somebody new?
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  Oh, baby, baby. I'm dancing with a stranger.
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  Me, me. Me.
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  Me, Me, me, me. OK, come on.
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  You can open this one up. Come.
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  I hear you're the expert at that sort of thing.
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  Well, welcome back to a Hamster with a Blunt pen Knife, The
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  Stranger Commentary Podcast. Yes.
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  I'm Dylan and I'm here again, and I'm with Mr. Joe Ford.
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  Yes, sorry for laughing like that, I've made a very rude joke
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  before we started then. I don't know what you mean.
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  There was no breaching of the peace going on here, right?
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  I, I assure you, no, we are together again, aren't we?
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  On the sofa? That's right.
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  For the, for the most atypical of all the strangers.
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  So I was just watching this, thinking, well, where's Roberta
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  Taylor as the death Sergeant? You know, where's Reg Hollis?
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  Why am I watching an episode of The Bill all of a sudden?
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  Well, because Bill Bags really wants to direct episodes of The
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  Bill and things like that. So he used The Stranger as a
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  vehicle for that. So we get quite a sci-fi light
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  story. Now that is a police procedural.
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  And am I mistaken in thinking that Briggs did get a stab?
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  He after this he did get a stab at writing the Bill script.
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  Well, it was in your book. I read it this morning.
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  No, I thought. I don't.
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  Briggs had. I know Braggs had meetings with
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  like Emmerdale and EastEnders because I don't know.
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  I think he was quite as saying that he just, he didn't want to
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  do it. Ultimately, he didn't want to go
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  down that path. Briggs didn't end up writing or
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  story lining on a Channel 5 soap at one point, but he just hated
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  it. I think he was very much more
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  comfortable in the Doctor Who. Will, I've heard then that sort
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  of Jason Haigh. Ellery turned up in a puff of
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  smoke and some horns on his head and said sign here and the rest
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  of your life is mine. And here we are all these years
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  later, Jason. Haigh Ellery seems like a lovely
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  man. Oh God, he and after two he.
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  He comes across beautifully in the interview as well.
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  Imagine if he was secretly an evil genius though.
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  Oh, I'd love it. What I would really love is for
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  Jason Hagelary to do a tell all interview where he tells us all
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  the behind the scenes got super big finish.
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  A bit like that first book. Do you remember the Ben Cook
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  one? Anyway, so bringing us back
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  round to Breach of the Peace, which do you think is quite a
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  nice title? Yes, that was very.
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  High. Pitched, wasn't it?
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  It is. I am not grabbing his nuts now.
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  I am no is do you think the stranger has the elasticity to
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  to work within this genre? I think.
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  What a question I think. You're overthinking it mate.
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  I've got to fill it out all right.
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  I think all the rules are off at this point, aren't they?
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  Because they've set they're, they're rebooting the franchise
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  as it were and giving it a new direction.
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  So yeah, it can absolutely be anything.
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  I mean, I, I, I would have liked them to have gone further.
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  Maybe make the next 1A sitcom. Well, they did it with one
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  division, didn't they? Absolutely brilliantly.
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  What the hell did the Doctor Who fans think of this?
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  I mean, you've got to wonder whether at this point people
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  would like it tails off, you know, they do one more after
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  this and whether it was. You know, they were like you
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  think what, less people are buying them I.
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  Think so. There was there was a real like
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  Bag says in an interview at the time of this that like if breach
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  of the peace does well, I'm going to quit my job at the BBC
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  and make 6 films a year, put 6 sort of stranger slash air zones
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  a year. Obviously he didn't do that.
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  So I think that goes to tell you.
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  I mean the. The the the core fan base were
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  only really interested when it was Doctor Who Light.
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  In terms of execution, I mean, I get this is the one that you put
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  on your show world because it's the most down to earth and the
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  least science fictionally. But in terms of the execution of
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  these six, I wouldn't say this is the strongest.
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  I mean, I'd I'd put forward the third one or that's Briggs that
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  directed that one, isn't it? Is that bags?
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  Oh, OK. Yeah, that's the one.
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  I'd I'd say, look, this is what I can do with no money.
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  What do you think the? People, the people running
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  EastEnders in the bill, didn't want to see sci-fi.
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  I don't think anyone wanted to see sci-fi this time.
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  Well do you want to not watch some sci-fi?
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  I'd love to not watch. So it's not Doctor Who, it's not
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  sci-fi. It's totally within the usual
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  hamster remit in 54321. Off we go.
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  Whatever police dramas were on at the time was.
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  That it. Oh, no, that twat was in that,
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  wasn't he? Yeah.
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  Oh, but Mina Anwar was in it as well.
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  Yeah, she was great. Oh, nice.
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  It's shattering glass effects. This is done in 2. 1005 OK,
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  there's no. Shattering glass effects in
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  1995. The same time as Doctor Who was
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  coming back, I'm expecting oh, Oh my God, look at this,
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  terrorists from another dimension.
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  They've completed their mission on Earth and now they want to
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  leave. But they are trapped and they
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  are desperate. What?
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  We all. Wow.
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  Yeah, wait till the end there if you want to do that.
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  Don't make it audible, all right?
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  Now this is nice, this corridor with the little sort of the
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  light as your opening shot. I think that's what was quite
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  nice and I've got a feeling they finish on it as well.
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  Oh, OK, Something like a visual topping and tailing going on
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  and. They walk in and the characters
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  stand in the dark and have a conversation.
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  That's right, don't. Hit the light because it could
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  be anybody. No one's doing the line at this
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  point. And then you cut to the close up
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  and it's much lighter. So as if you were just watching
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  this on its own. Yeah, you were just assumed that
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  Saul and Egan are just detectives, right?
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  Until the script tells you otherwise.
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  That's why they had that little thing at the.
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  Beginning saying that does make sense.
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  I just realized they don't finish on that shot so ignore.
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  Me so his bags and assuming that people aren't watching the the
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  last one. No, I think, I think he's done
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  that for the people he's sending the video to as an audition,
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  please. OK, that camera didn't move then
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  for like quite some time. But I like this they've got
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  undercover in the police. Yeah, I did too.
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  I did too. And I like all the different
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  characters they meet. Obviously Nick Briggs is there
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  as one of the sergeants and fabulous Caroline John, who's
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  doing a sort of Scottish accents.
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  Is it Scottish or is it new car? Oh, sure.
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  I. Think it's did you hear accent
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  in dust breeding? It's very indeterminate.
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  All right, Miss Dasita, I didn't even.
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  Know she was in. It Yeah, she's the mad sort of
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  art thief in that I haven't listened to dust breeding for.
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  Years. So Saul and Egan are on Earth.
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  Looking for Solomon So they've become policemen.
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  Brexit touch? He looks just like David Haig
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  from the Thin Blue line there. Yeah, doesn't he wishy washy
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  hoity toity up? Yeah, Jack.
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  See, I actually think Caroline John brings value to anything
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  like. So Caroline John, at this point,
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  haven't really been involved in Doctor Who.
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  She wasn't. She'd only just started doing
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  conventions. And when she was asked and she
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  turned them down and then eventually she said she'd do
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  them, but she wouldn't accept any money because she couldn't
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  believe anybody would want to hear her talk about her time on
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  the show. Well, she did them for free.
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  Yeah, and the first few, yeah, until she realised that she had
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  an audience. I guess we had a word with her.
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  Yeah. You know how much you can make
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  for me to conferences. Valuing the the trade but one of
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  her first ones, she was approached by Bill Bags, who
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  said I'm making these films, would you like to come and be in
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  one? And that's that's how he goes.
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  I mean, I'm so pleased because I really like especially the first
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  couple of probes. I think she's fabulous in them.
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  I think as like I didn't appreciate it as a kid, but that
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  I appreciate her more now. I do think she's a good actress
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  and I think she holds her own in season 7.
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  She holds her own as a lead of the of the probe videos I think.
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  She's really good. She's Have you heard The Big
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  Finish or the other Last Post, She did a couple of Companion
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  Chronicles. She is wonderful in them.
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  She's such a good actress. I was watching the season 7
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  Blu-ray extras, a Caroline John documentary recently.
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  They had footage of that first convention that she goes to
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  where she didn't want to go out because she thought they were
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  going to Boo her because she had convinced herself, because she
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  was technically sort of fired, that she was no good in the
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  role. And then when she walked in,
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  then she had this up Roy as applause.
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  Oh, right now please let's talk about this.
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  So the Stranger AKA Solomon AKA Colin Baker shacked.
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  Up with some woman. I don't know whether they're
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  they're. Fucking she is so flumpy oh God.
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  This was the role that they wanted a Milda Staunton to do.
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  Is it Staunton? Swindon, Oh, was it this role?
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  Not not Caroline John's role. This role No.
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  God have I. Had to shag Chad Colin.
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  They're definitely at him because at the end he is so
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  protective over her when they're threatening her.
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  But I I don't know that this is the best turn I've ever seen
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  from an actress. And Colin's dressed like a dad
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  now as well. Briggs.
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  Honestly, he could be in a porn movie there with that mustache,
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  couldn't he? I don't.
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  Know. I think he looks quite verbil.
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  Yeah, look, look at his tires. Just slightly open.
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  But the one thing I did realise in this was the sort of the
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  space rooms that they're in, there's a phone and there's
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  something pinned to the wall, so.
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  This is an old BBC training sort of space.
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  It's an old BBC office in BBC not.
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  It's a filing cabinet. Yeah, but yeah, it's not
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  production design. And production designers will
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  tell you in anything now that they hate white walls because
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  they just look. So they don't come across as
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  white, they come across as beige and play to bear.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it's like, unless it's
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  like proper, like dense white, like a void.
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  It feels cheap. That's that's the trouble.
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  Now what's this magazine that she distributes?
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  It's. Just a local local magazine
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  sort. Of thing and there and Sony
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  going to hassle it Oh look at her glasses Oh my God, you think
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  so everything about her right? Her blouse, the business jacket,
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  her enormous haircut. She looks so midnight, isn't
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  she? Looks.
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  Like my mum had a cousin who looked like.
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  Her. Oh, really?
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  Yeah, I don't know. I've been going nowhere with
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  that, but it's true. Is she a tough bitch that could
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  step up to time terrorists as well?
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  I think she probably could have, yeah.
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  OK, in fact this look at the quality of the video here.
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  This feels quite different from the last one.
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  You know what I think it is? It's clearly a sunny day, do.
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  You think that just helps the picture quality?
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  Completely by chance though, look at the colours they've got
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  around them. There's blue doors, there's a
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  red car. It feels quite vibrant.
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  So it suddenly pops a little bit more and that's down to, and I'm
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  sure it's by accident, but you can't help but it just looks a
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  bit more because it's not, doesn't look like this is lit.
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  Dylan, will you look at those earrings that she's wearing?
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  Pat Butcher, eat your heart out. All right?
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  Where's? This lady now I like the fact
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  they turned Saul into a sleaze and this.
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  Like it is. He's really unpleasant, but he's
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  not the unpleasant he was before of being like this violent
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  little. Almost child.
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  And then come the last one. You know when they stay the
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  night in that house, he starts flirting with a woman outside
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  the loo. You know, he's a bit of a
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  player, no? They didn't get permission to
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  film outside this police station.
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  Hey, is that Saint Paul's? Where are they?
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  Oh, OK, So what, they walked up to there and just ran off?
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  No way. So where's this then?
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  That's in the BBC. Training.
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  OK. I mean, it's quite convincing,
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  aren't they? It works, you know, by the time
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  we get to when to die or no time to die of.
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  We know exactly how long we had with that camera, that position.
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  It's. Just like do you?
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  Remember all the shoppers in the mall walking past, like, going
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  what's happening? You've been framed.
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  What's going on? You've been framed.
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  Beetles. No, wait.
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  Beetles about. What's the one where they used
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  to do the practical jokes? Beetles About.
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  Yeah. Oh, no.
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  Look, Briggs is now having a really bad day.
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  His shirt is open, his airy chest's out, and his tie is
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  loose around his neck. Do.
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  You think it was shortly after seeing this that he decided it
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  was time to shave his head. I.
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  Mean and man myself, but like, there comes a point where.
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  You really. Are you a bald man?
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  Yeah, I know, But you always wear an hat.
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  I can never tell. If you could come off that train
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  today without a hat on, I totally would have missed you.
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  I think maybe this is when he decided to shave his chest as
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  well. That's quite your lovely furry
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  chest there. I'm fighting to wonder, you
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  know? Right.
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  Joe Ford into a script *** We'll talk.
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  Alright, do. You know what's weird about when
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  I watched this now as a kid? Caroline, John, and in the
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  previous one. Louise Jameson.
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  Jameson seemed impossibly old. And now?
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  Looks so different from their time on Doctor Who, whereas now
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  they look possibly slightly older than me, if not the same
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  age. I do think you know when
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  Caroline John came back in The Five Doctors.
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  Yeah. That's only, I think it's only
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  like 11 years, but it feels, it looks like about 30, doesn't it?
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  Like she, I mean, she was a smoker, Her daughter says on the
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  thing. She genuinely smoked a pipe so
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  it wasn't a problem. I don't it was cancer.
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  She did. She had two bouts of cancer.
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  One she got through and then the other she didn't, by all
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  accounts, and nobody in that documentary has got a bad word
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  to say about her. It seems like she's one of those
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  people that enriched the lives of everybody she met and us for
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  doing these. Fabulous now.
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  Do you know how old this this video is?
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  30 years. Today.
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  Well, not not. It's the.
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  Anniversary. I believe it was.
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  It was. It's 1995 and.
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  We are now 2005 that. Might be even be 94.
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  Thank you for teaching the viewers how to count there it.
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  Blows my mind because the other day I realized that the first
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  autumn film was the same same age as the classic series when
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  it got cancelled. The sort of meaningless stats
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  that. I know, but no, let's let's do
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  the math again. I was 15 then when this came
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  out. Well, then you do the math.
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  You're not. You're not. 15 No, it's tragic,
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  isn't it? Yeah, look at that telly.
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  I'm trying to think of what was the first spin off I saw.
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  I think it was the Devil of Winterborne.
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  I picked up the VHS of the Devil of Winter in like a Virgin
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  Megastore or something like that and honestly to God it was like
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  the most hard hitting thing I'd ever seen at the time.
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  That bit where we Shearsmith got out and you saw his balls
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  falling out of his boxes and the two boys on the bed, you know,
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  tosssing about God. Honestly, the tracking on that
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  bit of the video, when do you know?
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  But all of this passed me by. All of this.
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  I was so excited about the Probe series because it felt like as a
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  kid who was into Doctor Who and The X-Files, and they touted it
• 16:45
  as the British X-Files. Yes, I think that's why I picked
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  it up. It had it on the cover, I swear,
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  or the back cover. And then it was Davison's face
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  on the cover with the glowing eyes.
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  And they were. In shops, yeah, like they're in
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  mainstream shops. So it was just quite exciting.
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  And then the unnatural selection one, which had the mutant on the
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  thumb, yeah. Which I thought, fuck, really?
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  This is we've arrived. And you know the bit, you'll
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  know exactly what it is because you've watched this too many
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  times. The bit where the hands going
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  over the body and the music's going all bongo Yi just thought
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  that was the coolest thing I've ever.
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  Seen. The hands going inside the body.
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  Oh, it's amazing. I like to think, though, that
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  Solomon would have shacked up with a sort of Louise Jameson
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  sort. Not, not this frumpy woman.
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  He he met Lou and he went, do you know what?
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  She's too dangerous. He pushed her out of that, that
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  tractor beam or that teleport beam.
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  And he was like what I need is a bit of sensible simple crumpet.
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  Have you noticed they keep being in the same corridor and the
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  same office? They keep going in and out of
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  the same office. They're, oh, look at this,
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  that's this shows that they've got a good relationship because
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  he just, she's on the phone. He gives her the fag while she's
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  on the phone. He lights her up.
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  Well, I don't know, They've had a little dalliance at the
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  Christmas party or something like that.
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  You think Nick? Briggs shared.
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  Caroline, John. Well, not in, no.
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  Not the actors, the characters. I mean, actually, I did find
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  Caroline John and Nick Briggs really engaging though.
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  This pair, yeah. They're.
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  Good. Do you want to spin off with
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  them and? What to replace the bill?
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  Yes, all right, let's do it. No, no, no.
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  If I was going to do a spin off of any of these, I would have
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  had a couple of series of probe, different monster of the week
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  stories with our sort of our running governmental, well,
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  basically The X-Files, you know, stuff going on in the ministry.
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  I would have just had that what Colin Baker and that woman were
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  up to before this Eager and Saul arrived at just then running a
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  newspaper. Could you have made that
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  interesting? No.
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  For several seasons, you know, you just can't smoke like this
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  now in rooms, can you? Well.
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  Even smoking on television is difficult.
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  Like you when you work for. I've done stuff for Channel 4
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  and the BBC and they want to know their compliance team, want
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  to know why the character's smoking and if it's not, what?
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  If it's set in the past. Yeah, but it's things like that.
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  But they they will be like, no, we don't think that person's
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  needs to smoke. Wow.
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  Because they just don't want to. See.
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  Is it that that street well? You you can't even see
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  cigarettes in shops anymore. They're behind a thing, aren't?
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  They yeah, if. You're a certain age you will
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  never be able to buy cigarettes. Interestingly, the frontage now
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  is on. How we got here has all gone.
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  It's all vapes now and all these very colourful packages.
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  They're selling them like sweeties.
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  Oh, where are we now? We're down.
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  By the canal. That's very nice.
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  It does get a nice location in there now and again.
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  Scenic. The only way we're going.
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  To get out is now. There's definitely a difference
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  with the picture of this one. I don't know what it is.
• 19:58
  It feels sharper. I just, yeah, maybe.
• 20:02
  Maybe it is. Maybe it's just a different
• 20:04
  camera. Is it always the same cameraman
• 20:06
  Dick? Cursor doesn't all work.
• 20:08
  Cursor is that. Yeah, cursors.
• 20:17
  That's it. I mean, I could see a series,
• 20:20
  couldn't you? These 4.
• 20:22
  Yeah, I think not. Solomon, aren't we taking him
• 20:25
  out of the picture, these two as the detectives out on the
• 20:28
  streets and the other two back at doing the research?
• 20:32
  Guy's a prototype gene hunts. They are, Yeah.
• 20:36
  Oh, here we go. Romantic liaison on the bridge
• 20:39
  between Colin and Miss Frump. You've got.
• 20:41
  A finger around a minute. I mean you, you say that there's
• 20:47
  a bit of fingering going on in the last one.
• 20:51
  I couldn't believe how loud that orgasm was.
• 20:54
  We'll get there. We will get there.
• 20:56
  Did. They make your Dick twitch.
• 20:59
  No, because Mark was coming down the stairs.
• 21:01
  I was trying to hide my phone. Is that what you're watching
• 21:04
  while I'm upstairs having a bath?
• 21:08
  You know, you've got to sneak your wanks in where you can.
• 21:10
  You know Colin Baker. Is looking less and less like
• 21:15
  Doctor Who at this point. Isn't.
• 21:16
  He he is, although his hair is looking more lustrous than it
• 21:19
  was in the last one. Have you noticed?
• 21:21
  He's got a bit of a wig on. Him it's a bit of a Mr. McGee
• 21:25
  hair gun going on there. It's a.
• 21:26
  Bit wild there. We go, So how long has he been
• 21:31
  shaking up with this woman? We don't really know, do we?
• 21:35
  But he's living in her house, you know, He's got his feet well
• 21:39
  under the table. What I'm, I'm if the Doctor
• 21:42
  Who's wearing bold, is it just, is it just David Davidson's a
• 21:47
  bit bold now? Isn't he?
• 21:48
  I mean, obviously Harton always wearing a wig only, wasn't he?
• 21:52
  But. Of the classic Doctors, I feel
• 21:55
  like it's just Colin, right? Colin and David.
• 21:57
  Yeah, Mccoy's still got a lovely head of hair, isn't he?
• 21:59
  Ever? Quite long, in fact.
• 22:02
  Oh, he's having a wine. Look at that.
• 22:04
  A red wine in the most hideous little wine glasses you've ever
• 22:10
  seen. Those are.
• 22:11
  Hideous. Also, those aren't proper
• 22:12
  measures. It's a note.
• 22:14
  Just wait until we go into this house, like into the kitchen and
• 22:17
  everything. I mean, I know my house is
• 22:18
  humble, but if I lived here, that's it.
• 22:20
  Game over. You'd have.
• 22:21
  To spruce it. Up a bit, wouldn't you?
• 22:25
  Got this lovely little table outside.
• 22:29
  So was he planning on literally staying on earth and living his
• 22:32
  whole life with this woman? I think he he knows his past is
• 22:35
  going to catch up with him at some point.
• 22:36
  He's just put her in trouble, basically in harm's way.
• 22:41
  But unlike the last one, we are in about four or five locations,
• 22:47
  aren't we? We are.
• 22:48
  So there's a bit of more movement to this one, more
• 22:53
  dynamic. That's it.
• 22:53
  Even if they've only clearly got 6 rooms, I wonder if this is
• 22:56
  back to this house. No, I hope not.
• 22:59
  I know that. I should hope he's making more
• 23:01
  money of this on the BBV videos in.
• 23:03
  Cotton, the house in Arizona solution, is his wife's parents
• 23:08
  at the time. Whose flat is it that Joe
• 23:12
  Castleton lives in? In Cyberon?
• 23:14
  Who knows? I mean, that's quite a nice
• 23:17
  place. That is where she lives with her
• 23:19
  gay busy mate, yeah. Exactly.
• 23:22
  RIP what? The actor?
• 23:24
  No, the the character. Oh yeah, doesn't it?
• 23:27
  I really enjoyed Saigon. I watched it for the first time
• 23:29
  the other day. It was amazing.
• 23:32
  The heist bit was incredible. Oh, sorry, back to breach of the
• 23:35
  piece. No, this isn't.
• 23:36
  I'm not doing something. No, no, I know what's all
• 23:39
  covering all the spin offering here.
• 23:42
  You know, I do feel like John Wadmore is doing quite a lot for
• 23:44
  the ponytail. Yeah, as well.
• 23:46
  He's a. Shifty Chap.
• 23:48
  Yes, now he pulls it off. Yeah.
• 23:50
  I mean, it did look sexier in the last time when it was all
• 23:52
  sort of loose and shaggy. You don't like them in this
• 23:56
  loose? No, I do.
• 23:57
  I think no, again, these scenes are just too dark.
• 24:01
  Like where's your lighting? Like there is a light source
• 24:03
  coming in there, but is it a natural light source or is it
• 24:06
  that's how you? What's he doing with that phone
• 24:08
  space? Computers.
• 24:10
  How I say he's sort of sucking the data out of it.
• 24:13
  I'm. Sucking.
• 24:16
  Oh, I'd love to see John Paul. Oh no, let's not go there.
• 24:21
  Colin's still got the same glass of wine Lurt.
• 24:24
  Getting shit faced all afternoon.
• 24:26
  It was like when we saw them earlier and they were halfway
• 24:28
  through a bottle of wine. Now they're on.
• 24:29
  They must be on at least a third bottle.
• 24:31
  Can I ask you a question about positioning cameras like this?
• 24:35
  Well, I was going to say like now, I'm not a slim bloke and
• 24:40
  neither is Colin. And right now the camera is.
• 24:44
  So look, it's Tommy that is. Because I reckon it's a tiny
• 24:48
  room and there's only a certain amount of space, so it can only
• 24:51
  get so wide or so. Quiet.
• 24:52
  You just wouldn't have an unflattering shot on that on TV,
• 24:55
  now, would you? I mean, I've got I feel
• 24:59
  represented here. Bill bags did wonders for
• 25:02
  representation. He did.
• 25:05
  Oh, they're burn victims, you know.
• 25:09
  All of them pipe smoking lesbians.
• 25:11
  Do you think she's a bit New Agey?
• 25:12
  Those earrings are, you know, sort of like dream catchers.
• 25:15
  And yeah, I think there's the Earth sign there.
• 25:20
  Oh, she's going. Oh, yeah, I know you've got a
• 25:22
  difficult past you won't tell me about.
• 25:25
  Please stranger. You've got no idea, love.
• 25:29
  He's not even. Thank God that's so method.
• 25:31
  She's got tears in her eyes. She's given it all.
• 25:34
  Emil Imelda Watson face wouldn't have done a good performance.
• 25:38
  No, Miss Frumpsian. I don't actually know what her
• 25:40
  name is. That's what I'm calling her.
• 25:42
  I think it's Holly something. Holly Long Holly.
• 25:45
  Valance. No, Colin Baker and Holly
• 25:48
  Valance are not getting it on. I think they might snog in a
• 25:52
  minute, you know I don't. Think they do snog?
• 25:55
  I mean, we're a world away now from what was it sentient
• 25:58
  planets represented by Sophie Aldrin, aren't we?
• 26:02
  How is this in the same series as that?
• 26:04
  And. There's only.
• 26:09
  Three episodes? How often did they make them?
• 26:10
  Was it like 1A year? Pretty.
• 26:12
  Much, yeah, was. It for six years they were
• 26:14
  making this. No, because I think actually I
• 26:18
  think Breach of the Peace and Terry game came out the same
• 26:20
  year. I can't say I'm waiting every
• 26:22
  year. When's my next stranger script
• 26:23
  going to come? 93 was in memory alone and the
• 26:26
  air zone solution. I think they stopped for a bit
• 26:30
  to do after this to do. See, This is why I stopped
• 26:33
  wearing polos. Did you?
• 26:35
  Well, because that's what I look like in one.
• 26:37
  A bit chubby. OK, this is the BBC place again.
• 26:42
  Yeah, OK. I mean, it all looks, I think it
• 26:46
  all looks reasonably authentic. Map on the wall there.
• 26:55
  So Caroline John's character says there's been a lot of
• 26:59
  searches going on for the name Solomon, and then she outright
• 27:04
  asks David Trout's character, like, what does that mean?
• 27:07
  Are you conducting an investigation behind my back?
• 27:12
  Oh, look at those VHS tapes. Well, but so they they these
• 27:16
  VHS's have been pulled from the. Nightclub.
• 27:21
  Aren't they OK? Oh they are all links.
• 27:23
  Why? And they link the last one to in
• 27:25
  memory alone. Oh, she's got some personality.
• 27:34
  I love her. She's.
• 27:36
  Charismatic. Yeah, yeah, I just, I'm, I'm
• 27:40
  still baffled that he manages to attract the acting talent he
• 27:43
  does. He's an.
• 27:46
  Exciting talent. I don't think if he showed
• 27:50
  anybody program to die, he'd be able to win the world.
• 27:54
  Where Matt Swiss. You could be a part of this all
• 27:58
  right, if you get a call, what have you got a call from Bags
• 28:04
  and he said would you be interested in?
• 28:06
  I was politely declined. Executive producing.
• 28:10
  He can't afford me. Oh, how much you worth more.
• 28:12
  Than. Oh dear, This is why.
• 28:19
  Oh no, I've had to reveal where you live.
• 28:21
  Then I won't do that. He has a very nice flat
• 28:24
  apartment on the river. Just say that.
• 28:31
  What is tie? Come on, they need so I'm doing
• 28:34
  the same thing as the last one. They need to catch up with
• 28:35
  Solomon now. Yeah.
• 28:36
  There was a lot. Get a shift on on this.
• 28:39
  One they're they're specifically kept apart because both Colin
• 28:42
  and David were doing other productions of the theatre runs.
• 28:46
  So so they shot it over 10 days. They actually only needed them
• 28:50
  for five. It's a bit like in Flatline and
• 28:53
  Mummy on the Orientex Split. Excuse me, what are they
• 28:56
  watching on the TV? Pornography.
• 28:58
  Why? Oh, in the nightclub?
• 29:01
  Yeah. Well, were they making porn at
• 29:03
  the nightclub then? Well, I mean, I don't think Lou
• 29:06
  Lou Jay was. Oh my God.
• 29:08
  I. Think it was just being
• 29:10
  distributed. From there, I'm sorry, I never
• 29:12
  thought I'd see a woman getting anal on a stranger video.
• 29:15
  We don't know whether. She was getting.
• 29:16
  Anal. Something was happening behind
• 29:18
  her there. All right, you can.
• 29:20
  Go in. You can go in vaginally.
• 29:24
  She was being ridden like a horse in the.
• 29:29
  The art of metrosexual love making.
• 29:31
  Look. Oh my God.
• 29:34
  It's him shooting MIT peg. Oh no, back to the porn, back to
• 29:39
  the porn. Like Zygon.
• 29:42
  Was he getting Co production money from the porn industry?
• 29:48
  Where the fuck did they get that porn from?
• 29:51
  Did they just find the porn video and put it in there?
• 29:53
  I don't. Know for certain, but I'm going
• 29:54
  to say yes. No, the he got his wife.
• 29:59
  Will you just do this video, Bill?
• 30:01
  Bags wife he's done very well. But if this is a real flu
• 30:07
  station, they'll be going I. Think his wife Bill Bags is
• 30:13
  still with his wife at this point before she divorces.
• 30:16
  Him. Why does she watch his output?
• 30:20
  Oh, God, here we go. Oh, it's lesbian porn.
• 30:26
  Oh, I don't think I've not seen a lot of lesbian porn.
• 30:28
  Is it? Is it all like that?
• 30:30
  Oh. I wouldn't know.
• 30:35
  Imagine imagine no dock up Colin Baker's just come come up on the
• 30:39
  porn video not doing porn they've obviously takes over but
• 30:43
  imagine you're having a wank and cold Breakers face just to see.
• 30:48
  You are watching a woman lick another woman out.
• 30:51
  And then it comes to Colin's mood.
• 30:56
  Oh my God. Oh, it's the. 4 wheel.
• 31:03
  Oh, bless, Jason. All over his plate of Manny
• 31:07
  Callas. Steady shacked up with this
• 31:10
  lady. Oh look at that old keyboard.
• 31:13
  Don't do her close up on the tech.
• 31:17
  Oh Jesus Christ, I. Wonder what happened to this
• 31:21
  woman? I wonder what happened to this
• 31:23
  house. Do the current owners know know
• 31:27
  what perpetrated them there? I hope they've got new wallpaper
• 31:31
  is. There a blue plaque outside.
• 31:33
  Oh. Dear look, there's the A4 sheets
• 31:38
  on the wall to advertise. She's part of the paper there.
• 31:42
  It's called the Local, indeed. I mean, you can't say it doesn't
• 31:47
  do what it says on the team. They don't.
• 31:49
  Do a great job of dressing the house.
• 31:51
  Let's be. Honest, they don't do a great
• 31:52
  job of dressing her either. They all had.
• 31:55
  To bring their own clothes? Who?
• 31:57
  Did the hair and make up? I mean, it looks like she's got
• 31:59
  a bird nest. She probably did it.
• 32:01
  Holly Long, I'm so sorry for you.
• 32:03
  Can you have a look? I'm going to.
• 32:06
  Have a. Great night.
• 32:08
  I think she did a big finish, you know, I think she's in
• 32:12
  Project Twilight as the vampire lady.
• 32:15
  Will you have a look? Thank you.
• 32:17
  I'll keep talking whilst you do. Right, Caroline.
• 32:21
  John is now deeply suspicious of Saul and Egan.
• 32:25
  She knows. Oh, sorry.
• 32:26
  You found her. Ow.
• 32:29
  I've got BBV whiskey. Open.
• 32:31
  OK, things are calming down now because.
• 32:34
  Not Holly Long playing the character of Rose.
• 32:36
  OK, now look up Holly King in. Big.
• 32:41
  Finish. Big finish.
• 32:42
  Yeah. So she didn't think.
• 32:43
  Was it, Holly? It's a long.
• 32:45
  I think it was a Oh my God, that turned you on a bit.
• 32:50
  Yeah. Caroline, John getting a bit.
• 32:52
  Yeah. So.
• 32:55
  Sit down you naughty boys. Right, Holly King.
• 33:00
  Yeah, goes. Up in BBP, including some of
• 33:03
  their audios, The last mission, which is a stranger one and root
• 33:06
  of all evil the Lance park in. Oh, that was great.
• 33:11
  Then in Big Finish. Yes, Project Twilight in the.
• 33:16
  Shadow of the Scourge. Oh.
• 33:18
  Who was she in there? Annie.
• 33:20
  Carpenter. Oh.
• 33:21
  Neverland as Levith and Kingdom of Silver as Etim, and last of
• 33:26
  the Titans as Mrs. Burden. Wowzers, do you know I remember
• 33:31
  Leath from Leathe, such a chibnal name from Neverland.
• 33:38
  I want to see what her IMDb says.
• 33:41
  What? How much work she got?
• 33:42
  Yeah, I. Think she's making a complaint
• 33:48
  now against Thorne Egan for bothering her in the streets?
• 33:53
  She doesn't. Her credits on IMDb include The
• 33:56
  Stranger and her audio appearances in Doctor Who.
• 34:00
  OK. Sorry Holly, I hope you had a
• 34:02
  good stage career if you're listening.
• 34:05
  I'm sure she went on to do something fabulous.
• 34:07
  Yeah, with a better haircut. Eye open.
• 34:10
  She. Looks like a drama teacher so
• 34:12
  maybe she went on to do that. So the whole, the sort of the
• 34:15
  the mystery here is will they ever catch up with him?
• 34:19
  Yeah. Which Caroline John has now
• 34:23
  caught up with the fact that they're trying to catch up with
• 34:25
  him. Yeah, OK.
• 34:28
  Because they're from like Special Branch or something,
• 34:30
  Because that's what they say. And they've been a right pain in
• 34:33
  Caroline John's arse. But that's not being filmed.
• 34:39
  Thank. God, no one wants to see
• 34:43
  Caroline. He's no ohh dear.
• 34:51
  Although they said in that Caroline John documentary when
• 34:54
  she was 6062, she took on a role because she'd never been naked
• 35:01
  on stage and and she was always nervous to do anything like
• 35:06
  that. So she took on a role where she
• 35:07
  had to stand on stage completely naked at 62.
• 35:12
  Go on girl. Amazing.
• 35:18
  I believe it's on the dark web half.
• 35:20
  You'll make some. I shall make some calls for you.
• 35:25
  OK, Now this is a problem. I think Solomon ain't doing
• 35:28
  nothing in this. He's just sitting around the
• 35:32
  magazine drinking wine and flirting with Miss Frump.
• 35:36
  But he's not some. Photos Let's get back to Doctor
• 35:40
  Who actors in the nude. Which Doctor Who actors have
• 35:43
  appeared in Things in the Nude? OK, let's think.
• 35:47
  About it. Do you?
• 35:52
  Impressive. I can't remember.
• 35:55
  Oh, if you Google Matt Smith naked, there's those pictures of
• 36:00
  him in that hotel mirror. Have you seen those?
• 36:04
  He's very well endowed. Yeah.
• 36:05
  Google that on the way home. All right, all right.
• 36:09
  Have a bit of time with the train toilet.
• 36:11
  Jenna Coleman did something very early on in her career where she
• 36:14
  got her tits. Out.
• 36:15
  I saw Jenna Coleman being fucked up against a tree in Queen
• 36:19
  Victoria. Yeah, it didn't look like a
• 36:23
  stunt double, like it was really happening.
• 36:26
  Anyone else? Anyone else?
• 36:27
  I wish Sophie must have done something at some point where
• 36:31
  she's nude in. She's not nude.
• 36:34
  Is she supposed to be, though? No.
• 36:36
  She's got. Just because she's been covered
• 36:38
  up by nude Colin don't mean she's not nude.
• 36:42
  Is that everyone? No.
• 36:43
  There. Must be more.
• 36:46
  I mean, David Trout's nude in the last one, but.
• 36:49
  Doesn't he fuck with his top on? Oh no, I think it's off.
• 36:52
  I think he's off. But John, what more?
• 36:55
  Doesn't get nude though, which is an oversight frankly, I'm
• 36:57
  sure. If you've contacted him.
• 37:02
  Then I'm thinking of joining your acting school, but first I
• 37:05
  need to see your credentials. Katie Manning, of course, gets.
• 37:10
  Me with a Dalek? Yeah.
• 37:13
  Mary Tam, too classy. Lala Ward.
• 37:16
  No. What?
• 37:18
  No. Lala Ward.
• 37:19
  Didn't that vampire movie, didn't she?
• 37:20
  When? She's questionably young.
• 37:22
  I would. Say, oh, OK, Is that everyone?
• 37:27
  Yeah, you can tell the breach of the peace hasn't got a lot going
• 37:30
  on, can't you? When?
• 37:32
  Well, we're going through the naked actors of DID.
• 37:35
  We ever see Billy's Willy? I don't think so.
• 37:38
  There. You do see him semi nude in this
• 37:40
  sporting life. Oh really?
• 37:42
  Yeah, I. Suppose Billy Piper in Secret
• 37:45
  Diary of. A Oh definitely Oh my God,
• 37:48
  Freema Ajman in sense A. The opening scene is her pulling
• 37:53
  a sticky dildo out of her Fanny. Have you seen it?
• 38:01
  She's literally right. The opening scene is her going
• 38:04
  like, orgasming and then she slums, slams the dildo down on
• 38:08
  the side and it sort of flops wet from one side to the other.
• 38:13
  And that's how Sense 8 opens. You're going to buy it tonight,
• 38:17
  aren't you? OK, back to breach of the peace.
• 38:24
  OK, more footage of what went down in the nightclub.
• 38:28
  Yeah, and she's trying to make it better quality.
• 38:31
  Come on. Not Li Shaw.
• 38:33
  Figure it out. Don't you love at the end?
• 38:36
  It's not so they love it at the end, right?
• 38:38
  Once they've all vanished into the web or wherever they go and
• 38:42
  Nick Briggs comes back and she goes, well, it's all been tidied
• 38:45
  up by the government. We've been told not to mention
• 38:47
  it to anyone. And that's the end.
• 38:49
  Like what's how you? Do it.
• 38:51
  Yeah, I have a serious question. Not about naked willies and
• 39:00
  dildos and things. Nick Briggs is a good actor,
• 39:04
  isn't he? I I do think he's pretty
• 39:06
  accomplished. Shepherd's pie.
• 39:13
  That's a good diet for a Northerner.
• 39:15
  All right. No.
• 39:16
  Yeah, I do. I do think Briggs is a good
• 39:18
  actor and I know people take the piss out of him.
• 39:21
  Joe Ford, but. No, no, no, no.
• 39:24
  I call him out when he writes A dud script.
• 39:27
  I think we have to remember at this time, and I might, I might
• 39:30
  have said this on the earlier podcast, he was doing lots of
• 39:34
  acting and directing of plays at this time.
• 39:37
  He was a jobbing actor. I'd.
• 39:38
  Actually seen one of those. Yeah, me too.
• 39:41
  If if something comes up, if he does a play, I don't think.
• 39:43
  He does anything. That's a shame.
• 39:45
  I think he's tied up in Big Finish, yeah.
• 39:47
  Like the moment he started running the company, I think he
• 39:49
  sort of stopped. Doing that blood contract was
• 39:51
  for life. Yeah, exactly.
• 39:53
  Jason Hay Gallery owns his. Song But by all accounts, he was
• 39:56
  a he was a pretty good character actor like he was he was getting
• 39:59
  a lot of roles doing that. I just think you can see it in
• 40:02
  his audio performances, certainly his vocal performances
• 40:05
  in Doctor Who. I think.
• 40:06
  Oh, this is hilarious. You got these two?
• 40:10
  What are they? Carrying Yeah, those sites do
• 40:13
  not look like like a a SWAT team, do you know?
• 40:17
  They've got like water pistols in their hands.
• 40:20
  Colin's got the cheapest fish finger box you've ever seen that
• 40:23
  he's putting out. Supposed to be bulletproof vests
• 40:26
  or? Yeah, but they're not.
• 40:28
  That's what Mark said. They're not wearing the same 1,
• 40:30
  so it feels cobbled together. It's bin.
• 40:36
  Liners. I think Doctor Who fans, Nah.
• 40:41
  We're so used to Nick Briggs that whenever he shows up into
• 40:43
  something, we go, oh, that's Nick Briggs, not oh, that's a
• 40:46
  good performance. Yeah.
• 40:47
  And actually he's got he's got the vocal dexterity and the
• 40:51
  breadth of performance to be able to give quite different
• 40:54
  one. Well, like everyone was saying,
• 40:55
  they were getting a bit bored of him, like always doing the
• 40:58
  monster voices. And then he did that Dalek voice
• 41:00
  in Revolution Resolution. It was totally different, wasn't
• 41:04
  it? It was great.
• 41:06
  I heard an audio recently where he's doing an accent.
• 41:08
  I couldn't tell it was him. Mark said it with us.
• 41:10
  Nick Briggs. I went.
• 41:11
  No. Is it a Chinese accent?
• 41:14
  No, no, that was only one time. In sympathy of the devil, can
• 41:18
  Ioffer some fashion advice? To me.
• 41:20
  And I wouldn't really, I mean, look at what I'm wearing.
• 41:22
  I wouldn't usually do this. But Colin, stop tucking your
• 41:25
  shirts in. All right, Well, it's almost
• 41:28
  like we're accentuating weight now.
• 41:30
  Let. It all hang out cold ball.
• 41:34
  So if Caroline John now has Solomon in custody, I can't
• 41:39
  quite remember how he gets out. I know they, I know Saul and
• 41:42
  Egan go to his house and they threaten Miss Frump and say if
• 41:45
  you don't come with us, we're going to kill her.
• 41:51
  Who's Tamriel? Is he Louise Jameson?
• 41:58
  Yeah, that was that was one thing that I found a bit of a
• 42:04
  shame in these last three is that Colin is so underplayed
• 42:07
  throughout most of this I did miss.
• 42:11
  Because less about his character, because the, you
• 42:13
  know, Briggs is obviously trying to get away from the Doctor Who
• 42:15
  thing. Oh, he pushed her by the the
• 42:17
  face. He's a vicious bastard, isn't
• 42:19
  he? I know, but don't you like that
• 42:21
  a bit? Good character.
• 42:24
  I went for a drink. Did you?
• 42:28
  I wrote my. Book I interviewed him and we we
• 42:31
  met up in Camden, had a few beers, although I wasn't
• 42:34
  drinking at the time so I had those 3 ones.
• 42:36
  Should you go for another drink? Just get his number, warrior.
• 42:39
  It's been about 12 years. I don't think we're likely to
• 42:41
  have a catch up. Have you seen me?
• 42:43
  I'm not fussy. OK?
• 42:47
  Right now. How long has this got to go?
• 42:49
  I think only 5 to 10 minutes. Oh, OK, There's definitely a
• 42:55
  light source in that room because she has a very dramatic
• 42:58
  shadow on the wall. There we go.
• 43:00
  Have a brew but I'm. Instantly smoking.
• 43:06
  She must have been doing Caroline.
• 43:08
  John must have been doing a lot of performances on the stage at
• 43:11
  this point, I think. So.
• 43:13
  But does she need? She didn't need this, does she?
• 43:16
  No, but I again, it's that thing of it's nice to be asked.
• 43:25
  I don't know. I don't quite know how extensive
• 43:29
  her career was after she had kids.
• 43:32
  Well, she did the odd bit of TV, but they they said in that
• 43:38
  documentary, the stage was her natural home.
• 43:40
  And she always came back to the stage that she she felt what was
• 43:45
  it most comfortable when she had an audience in front of her.
• 43:49
  She goes it was a bit like her family.
• 43:51
  They're they're just very, yeah, I know.
• 43:53
  That to me is like hell, the foot of standing in front of
• 43:56
  thousands of people. I mean, we'll get to it in the
• 44:01
  next one as well, but Jeffrey Beavers has had a very
• 44:03
  interesting career. Yeah, like they all seem to say
• 44:07
  in their autobiographies that obviously there are fallow
• 44:10
  periods where, like Liz Sladen and Brian Miller, like Geoffrey
• 44:16
  and Caroline, if one of you is working, that's good because you
• 44:20
  can pay the bills, you know? If not, then you just do what
• 44:25
  you can. Oh, look at that.
• 44:29
  The chemistry between Colin and David Trouten, you know.
• 44:32
  It works really well, doesn't it?
• 44:34
  And there's too much light in this scene.
• 44:36
  Like they're obviously trying to go for an interrogation thing,
• 44:39
  but it's just you kind of need to darken the room to make the
• 44:44
  this work a little bit better. Was Devil Winter one was after
• 44:47
  this wasn't it? So the lighting?
• 44:49
  Do you remember the interrogation scenes with Peter
• 44:51
  Davison? And it's really harsh but
• 44:54
  brilliantly done. I think Devil is the last one
• 44:56
  where Bags is really trying. I mean there's bits of Cyberon
• 45:01
  and stuff like that, but Cyberon is definitely let the lighting
• 45:04
  go. By the time you get to Ghost of
• 45:05
  Winterbourne, it's all a bit of a.
• 45:07
  Yeah, I know. It's that an unnatural
• 45:09
  selection? Well, ghost and unnatural
• 45:13
  selection are literally being shot at the same time.
• 45:15
  Oh, OK. And like Caroline, John even
• 45:19
  says, like, I was wearing an outfit for one for one of them
• 45:25
  and he tried to make me film for the other one.
• 45:27
  They said no one will notice. And she was just like, I'm not
• 45:29
  doing that. Well, Caroline Job, yeah.
• 45:31
  Oh, good for her. Good for her.
• 45:34
  Oh yeah. I just remember reading that she
• 45:35
  had all of her outfits laid out and she knew exactly what she
• 45:38
  was wearing at each time. Because he didn't have a fucking
• 45:40
  clue. Like on a bigger production,
• 45:45
  there would be a costume supervisor who would take care
• 45:48
  of the continuity and also a script supervisor who would be
• 45:51
  making sure that. Did you see the maniacal look on
• 45:54
  Colleen's face when he attacked him there?
• 45:56
  He's fucking scary. This is not a Doctor Who.
• 45:58
  This isn't even Doctor Who. Who's.
• 46:00
  Strangled Perry. No, you can.
• 46:02
  Claim madness. I do like that age though.
• 46:05
  Yeah. But I would just like to.
• 46:07
  I suppose this one is trying to put him in a more gentle light,
• 46:09
  isn't it? In that domestic setting with
• 46:12
  his horrible sofa? The whole house is miserable.
• 46:17
  Will you stop attacking that woman, please?
• 46:23
  Oh my God. Now that's it.
• 46:25
  Colin's coming. Now we're heading for the
• 46:26
  finale. What a dream.
• 46:29
  Dylan, I could see you in that colourful tie, you know.
• 46:32
  I might wear a colourful tie like that, but I wouldn't wear
• 46:35
  the rest of the suit. Did you hear the dial up?
• 46:38
  Yeah, he's dialing up the web the.
• 46:42
  Dimensional Web. Right, but I'm.
• 46:46
  I'm guessing it's because he's going through local technology,
• 46:49
  local systems. OK, here we go.
• 46:52
  Oh yes, now I have to confess something that I was in fact
• 46:56
  cooking my dinner and a lovely gusto meal of Keema meatballs
• 47:01
  and turmeric white rice whilst watching the finale of this the
• 47:04
  other day. So I'll sort of glance.
• 47:07
  So this will be my first time I've seen it properly on the TV
• 47:10
  like this. It did seem very exciting.
• 47:13
  Now they were they sort of all head outside into the dark,
• 47:16
  taking Miss Front hostage. Holly.
• 47:19
  What's her name again? Holly Valance.
• 47:21
  Holly Kong no King. We may be the only podcaster and
• 47:28
  stranger, but none of it is accurate.
• 47:33
  And then they're basically going to murder her, aren't they?
• 47:35
  And to stop because she gets abused horribly.
• 47:38
  In a minute. It's look.
• 47:41
  Basically, if he doesn't go with them and show because he's the
• 47:43
  one that knows the way out and back into the web if he doesn't
• 47:47
  go with them. But I thought they went into the
• 47:50
  web at the end of the last one, the two of them.
• 47:54
  Well, they vanished into that green light.
• 47:58
  Oh, well, I think they need Solomon for some reason, don't
• 48:01
  they? Maybe because he's the cell
• 48:04
  leader. I think so.
• 48:06
  I don't know. Is this being lit now?
• 48:09
  This is definitely being lit, isn't it?
• 48:10
  That blue light? That's not moonlight.
• 48:13
  It's a full moon otherwise. Yeah, that's definitely being
• 48:15
  lit. That's quite nice actually.
• 48:21
  And actually look, it's on a windy night.
• 48:24
  Well, in later BB VS you hear the wind a lot and when they're
• 48:27
  on that motorway they. Met the.
• 48:31
  I think they're probably ABR just.
• 48:39
  Yeah, I reckon. She's killed someone you see
• 48:43
  this from? Who's she killed?
• 48:47
  Oh my God. Like.
• 48:48
  A Rd. Accident.
• 48:49
  She was a serial killer all along, you know, under the patio
• 48:57
  where we were sitting. Drinking wine earlier.
• 49:02
  He does love a bridge. There's a bridge in the Devil of
• 49:05
  Winterbourne, isn't it? That he jumps off onto the
• 49:07
  traffic? Yeah, he needs to.
• 49:12
  I'll breach of the peace Breach double meaning I'm too in love
• 49:22
  with Miss Frump to go through to the breach.
• 49:25
  We. Both love each other because.
• 49:31
  We're both killers. Oh my God.
• 49:33
  So now they are literally choking with frump to death.
• 49:36
  She's been lifted up off her feet by her neck.
• 49:39
  Well, that's a bit unpleasant, isn't it?
• 49:41
  But they're. Not they're not.
• 49:43
  Pleasant people. I'm like, oh good God.
• 49:45
  He'll learn to love. He will.
• 49:48
  Who are Eagans? Yeah, he'll learn to fuck as
• 49:51
  well, I'll tell you. Oh my God, that's quite a nice
• 49:54
  effect. Little door just appeared.
• 49:57
  That's a new effect I. Don't.
• 49:59
  What's that? What?
• 49:59
  The light coming through? Yeah, that's quite nice.
• 50:02
  Oh no, Miss Front left all on her own.
• 50:08
  I'll never know the love of Colin Baker again.
• 50:12
  I would like. This is it.
• 50:14
  This is. We've been told to forget about
• 50:17
  the whole thing, but. This is a nicely lit shot as
• 50:19
  well. It is, yeah.
• 50:24
  It starts with a well lit corridor and ends with a well
• 50:27
  lit corridor. In the middle, not so much.
• 50:31
  Over lighting and under lighting.
• 50:33
  This is very exiles, isn't it? We've been told not to meddle in
• 50:37
  this affair any further. We never know what happens to
• 50:43
  these people ever again. That's what I mean.
• 50:45
  I I while I don't know whether there was much mileage left in
• 50:49
  the series, it would have been nice to sort of tie things up.
• 50:53
  What with all of them, with every character we ever met,
• 50:55
  just. Sort of a bit of a through line.
• 50:59
  I'm sure we could have. There we go.
• 51:02
  So it's the ending. Is the credits rolling over?
• 51:06
  Nick Briggs stand against the wall, frustrated.
• 51:09
  Is he? Actually, look at Liz going off
• 51:11
  there. Also not Liz.
• 51:13
  Caroline, John music is so ITV police.
• 51:17
  Drama, Isn't it gone? Michael Duxbury Did I say I
• 51:24
  don't know. Why would it?
• 51:25
  Then I call Michael Dux? That's not a common name.
• 51:27
  Do you? Think you.
• 51:29
  Worked on these. Well, I was an administrator
• 51:31
  regardless. Books.
• 51:32
  I doubt it he ever lived in Nottingham.
• 51:34
  He's dead now, unfortunately. Sorry.
• 51:36
  I'm so sorry. Oh, that's dark.
• 51:45
  That is dark. A breach of the pace?
• 51:48
  Oh, did we not cut it there? Then?
• 51:50
  No. We.
• 51:53
  Didn't say something. I'll say that as a pilot for a
• 51:56
  police procedural featuring Caroline John Nicholas Briggs.
• 52:00
  John, what more? I mean, just a bit of tweaking,
• 52:05
  you know, time terrorists come along causing havoc every week.
• 52:09
  I'll be there for it. Well, look, well, we're heading
• 52:12
  next into the the grand finale. Strange where we've got to talk
• 52:19
  for 90 fucking minutes. No, I've got a finger if that
• 52:26
  helps. And that is called.
• 52:31
  It's called the Eye of the Beholder, and I'll tell you why
• 52:35
  it's called the Eye of the Beholder on a separate podcast
• 52:38
  very shortly. That's what I call your cock,
• 52:41
  Rihanna Beholder. Let's go.
• 52:44
  Alright, cut it there.