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Jeff Berwick on reality being a 3D video game - Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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None. But you don't really hold a lot
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of those views anymore, do you? That sort of anarcho capitalist
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libertarian thing. Oh, yeah, no, I totally do.
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I just don't talk about it because it's kind of obvious.
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It's like, you know, basically the I, I don't think anyone
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should be slaves unless they want to be.
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And a lot of people want to be. So I'm like, OK, you want to be
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a slave, OK, don't make me a slave.
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That's the unfortunate part. When they're slaves, they tend
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to bring other people to make them slaves as well.
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But you can't actually make me a slave no matter what you do,
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because there's nothing you can do to control me.
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So. So even if you try, you can put
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me in a box, you still can't control me.
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So. So yeah, when you mentioned that
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it's maybe I, I don't talk about that stuff anymore as much.
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It's because, yeah, it's obvious now.
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It's obvious that slavery's badge, it's obvious that the
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best way for humanity to coexist is through voluntary
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transactions and freedom and free markets and things like
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that. So I, I've been talking about
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that for 15 years. So anyone wants to go back over
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the last 15 years and hear all about all how I've talked all
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about that you can. But I think at this point it's
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pretty obvious and and now it's like way more important to be
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talking about what's actually happening and the apocalypse and
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actually doing the work on yourself is actually the most
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important work to be doing. So those are the things I talked
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a lot more about now. It all starts within, doesn't
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it? Absolutely.
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That's all there is. Well, that's the end of the
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conversation. Jeff Berwick, thank you.
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Yeah, there's no need to say anything.
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We are all that is. We create this entire thing for
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ourselves and that there actually isn't anything really
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to talk about. I mean, I obviously agree with
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you because I hate that sort of mental slavery mindset, that
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victimhood culture that so many people around us have.
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You you can always be a winner if you want to be.
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Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, that's what most
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people have been in our cult, our culture, the things that are
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done to humanity mostly by like not even non human entities to
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make us forget what we are. And they've done a really good
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job with that. And a lot of people have
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followed for a lot of that stuff.
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And I think it's also human nature to an extent that some
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people, they're so beaten down, which is so sad, beat by this
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entire system, by this entity, by all these things that some of
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them can kind of fall into that sort of victim sort of like
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identity, which is kind of sad. That's like all this stuff's
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kind of sad how this all gets done to people.
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But the great news is you don't have to be at all.
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And it's, it's all a choice and everyone has that choice.
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And yeah, there's no reason to feel like a victim whatsoever.
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You created this everything. So.
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So who are you going to blame? You created everything, and
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that's the thing that most people just don't get.
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Well, this is also it's a major issue with with society as a
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whole. I think people like having a
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savior, and if they like having a savior, they don't want to do
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the work themselves. Yeah, that's something that this
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entity that controls this matrix knows incredibly well.
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And it's another sort of a human sort of a thing that's
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unfortunate that a lot of people do.
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They don't want to actually do the work themselves.
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They they actually wants. And that's why we even have
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things like governments and and things like that, which is just
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basically mind control. It's actually the meaning of the
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word government is mind control. And so that's what a lot of
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people just fall for all these sort of things and just get lost
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in lost in all these things. But it's, it's all a perception
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and it's all an illusion as well.
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And your average person like it's a, it's a very human sort
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of a thing to want to take the easy way out of things, right?
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But in this 3D video game, which we're all playing, that's never
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actually works out well. You actually have to do the hard
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things, which seem hard at the time, but they're actually not
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hard in reality. It's actually just awakening to
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what you really are and accepting it, which is
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incredibly hard for people to see or even accept, if they even
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get to that point. And so they've been rolling out
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these things. You know, that's what the
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government's there for, for the, for the most part is because
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people want someone to take care of things for them.
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And then you have the more sort of man made organized religion
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sort of a thing. And those generally, not all,
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but a lot of them kind of talk about, oh, there's this one guy
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and he's going to save you. And then, you know, that works
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for a lot of people. And then they don't do the work
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and they don't actually listen to what that one guy might have
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said. When you know that one guy
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usually is saying things like you have to do the work.
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You have to go out in the desert for 40 days and figure out who
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you are. But people don't want to do
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that. So then people are always there
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willing to sell them whatever they want to make them feel
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better so that they don't do the work and that they're happy not
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doing the work and having that sort of victim sort of idea in
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their head and things like that. I don't know if you know Larkin
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Rose. He's he's been on my show.
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Great, great guy, great thinker. He argues that government is
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essentially A cult, it's a superstition and that that
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people believe in. Yeah, Larkin's a pretty good
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friend of mine. He's spoken at almost every in
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Arcapulco. I helped him make a movie called
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The Jones Plantation. His.
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With with with Andrew Treglia. Yeah, another good friend of
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mine, he comes to an Arcapulco all the time.
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And Larkin's book, The Most Dangerous Superstition is
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actually one of the best books for anyone on earth to read.
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If anyone believes in the idea of government, that book is one
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of those things that will snap you out of basically the mind
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control, which is the exact same thing as the Jones Plantation.
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Jones Plantation is actually just another version of that
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book put in a different way to try to break people outside of
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their mind control. Do you, do you buy into that
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sort of David Icke idea of the simulation?
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I don't know exactly what David Icke believes.
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He's another friend of mine. I know he's written many books,
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including one called The Dream, which I haven't read yet.
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I don't really like care or look into what other people believe
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that much just because you know it, you know, I know what's
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actually going on and and I don't need to hear it from
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anyone else, although it is interesting.
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So if he's talked about the simulation, so to speak, I talk
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about this being basically a 3D video game.
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The reason I actually don't like the word simulation because I've
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heard of the simulation theory and the thing I don't like about
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the word is when I hear the word simulation, but it's it's for
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me, it means, I don't know if this is what it actually means,
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but what I hear when I hear simulation is that you're
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actually not playing the game. I believe we're actually playing
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the game, but it's actually not real.
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So, so it's very similar, I guess you could say.
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Would you mind elaborating on that a little bit the the idea
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of the 3D video game? Yeah, that's one way I've used
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to kind of explain what I think this world is, this experience,
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this, what we're having right now.
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What is this? To boil it down really fast, I
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think that there's only one thing that's ever existed and
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never will exist, and that's consciousness.
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And you could also call that the Creator or God.
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You could call it that as well, though God's got all kinds of
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connotations involved in it with different ways that people think
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that what that is. I actually like the word creator
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because I think consciousness has created all of this like a
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3D video game. So this isn't base reality.
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And actually if you talk to most religious people, that's kind of
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what they believe as well, right?
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Because they say, well, we're here in this body, this physical
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body to, and we're sinners, which is a very, very
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interesting way to start it off. And then you got to go to give
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people at the church money and tell them all your, all your
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problems and stuff. And then you got to hope this
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one guy's going to save you. That's kind of crazy.
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But that's what a lot of people believe.
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But even when they believe that, what they're saying is that this
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isn't base level reality. Reality is outside of this.
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And we're in this to be tested or whatever you want to call it.
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And that's essentially how I see it as well.
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I see this like a 3D video game that we're playing that we put
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ourselves into too, for a number of reasons.
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One of them is to learn. One of them is to experience.
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Because if you are a complete consciousness, you can create
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anything. So you can imagine what kind of
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things you might create, like an entire universe and a multi
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dimensional universe with all kinds of good guys and bad guys.
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And, and you put yourself into the game in like like billions
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of different forms or trillions of different forms, and you
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experience the game individually through each individual playing
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character. So that's pretty incredible.
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So that's basically what I think this experience is.
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And so a lot of the times I'll say to people that this isn't
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real. And that really grinds some
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people to really trigger some people, especially if they're
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really attached to this being real, which means they're
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basically caught in the Matrix. But I can also say to them
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things like, well, what's a dream?
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When you dream, that seems real. Who created all that?
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Right. And then when you're in that,
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that seems as real as can be. Like if you're getting chased by
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a tiger in a dream, sometimes you wake up, you're screaming,
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you're sweating. That feels as real as this
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feels. So which one's real?
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It was that real, or is this real?
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Neither of them are real. They're all being created by
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consciousness itself. And, and it's all incredible.
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And you know, even in this 3D video game, there's like
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thousands of different lives you can go through.
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Like it's the most complicated and interactive video game,
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multiverse, multi dimensional, the script driving like the
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actual like storyline of it for each individual character.
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It's written in like real time. It's like what, When I see
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people playing like actual 3D video games on like an Xbox or
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whatever, I'm like, what are you doing?
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Like you're in the best 3D video game ever created.
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Like nothing can ever compete with us.
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This is five stars. This is the best.
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There's smells, there's sounds, there's love, there's hate,
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there's fear, there's multi dimensions.
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You can dream inside of it. So you can change your dreams,
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you can change yourself, you can reprogram your own mind.
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So yeah, that's basically what I think this all is.
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And when you're on acid or or whatever, that's also.
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Pretty real. Well, yeah.
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What's that? Right.
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So I've done many of those psychedelics.
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I've done ayahuasca, I've done iboga, I've done DMT.
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I actually haven't done acid. I've done numerous things.
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And so what's that? What are those experiences I'm
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having? Right.
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So that's a whole other part of the video game.
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That's incredible. And I actually think that in
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many ways, a lot of those things are power ups there.
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A lot of the more hippie types, they call it like plant medicine
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because it really is. That can give you incredible
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insights into the video game if you are at the right point of
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the video game where you really need that to see something that
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you otherwise couldn't see. So yeah, you've got you've got
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psychedelics inside the video game.
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It's it's the best. Like when I'm done, I don't know
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when it ends, but whenever that is, I'm giving it five stars.
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Like nothing's ever going to top this 3D video game.
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But if we are inside the game, who's on the outside?
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Well, we aren't actually in the game.
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We think we're in the game. There is only one thing that
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exists. That's consciousness.
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Time doesn't exist. We don't exist.
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We're not. This isn't like, real.
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It's an experience we're having at this moment, but that's the
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only thing that ever exists. But you and I are talking to
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each other. Yes, in these characters that
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we're currently playing inside the video game, yes.
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But OK, so then there's one consciousness, not 2 that are
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that are engaging with each other, correct?
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It's actually one of the biggest things to actually conquer when
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this video game is to conquer the mind and not let it control
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you because your mind will actually stop you from wanting
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to actually discover who you really are.
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Your mind, in some ways, is your biggest enemy in the video game.
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What happens in in in? Bad.
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Situations. Well, this video game, like no
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one would play it if nothing bad ever happened.
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Like if I said to you, hey, I just found this new video game.
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It's a 3D video game. It's incredible.
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It's incredible. And you go, well, So what are
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you doing it? And I'd go, well, nothing
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really. You just eat grapes forever and
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nothing really bad ever happens. And you don't really ever have
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to learn or conquer and go on a hero's journey or win anything.
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You'd be like, well, I have no interest whatsoever in playing
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that game. That sounds incredibly boring.
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Like, well, who would ever. There's no video game out there
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that you don't have any sort of challenge, right?
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That's the whole point of a game.
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So yeah, no, there's, there's horrible things inside this 3D
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video game matrix. Just ask people in Gaza.
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There's absolutely the the most evil, most horrible things you
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could ever imagine are inside this video game, and so are the
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most beautiful things. And it's all up for you, and
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it's all for you to find your way through it.
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Those people in Gaza that you just mentioned, if you say it's
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not real, they'll say it's very real.
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Yeah, when they're actually going through it, it feels
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completely real. Absolutely.
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But it's not, and they'll know that once it's over.
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So what happens once it's over? Well, I don't really know.
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I, I just don't know, Like I don't know everything at all.
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That's just what I think or I pretty much know is, is what's
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actually happening. If you wanted me to take a
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guess, I, I have a feeling that, you know, David Icke actually
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does talk about like the light and going back to the light and
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getting stuck back into the matrix again and stuff like
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that. I think there's probably
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something like that. I think there's also like a life
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review sort of a thing which, you know, Dick Cheney just
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apparently passed away. I'd, I wouldn't want to be him
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during that life review, right? Just, you know, all the
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horrible, evil things that a person like him has caused in
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this world. So I think you know that you
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have to, that's actually part of the game as well.
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So if you do all this stuff, you actually have to go and feel
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what you did and usually have to come back and that karma
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actually happens to you in the next life.
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So, you know, this is where it kind of sounds a bit cold to
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anyone who's going through something horrible right now,
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right? So, for example, like you could
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use like a 2 year old kid in Gaza.
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And then believe me, there's not many people on earth who feels
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worse for those children than I do.
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But I do know at the end of the day that it's, it's all part of
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their, their story. And, you know, maybe they were
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some incredibly evil person in a past life.
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I don't know. And I I know that sounds
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horrible to a lot of people, but it's actually the case in my
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opinion, and that's how this entire game works.
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OK, so in other words, everything just continues and
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continues and continues. Yeah.
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What? I don't know.
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I think, you know, like, imagine your pure consciousness.
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Would you ever stop being that? Probably not.
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So, you know, you can create any universe you want.
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You could, you know, just even look at this world, this Earth
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and all the incredible things that have happened here and all
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the, you know, empires. And, you know, what were those
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pyramids all about? And there was Atlantis and there
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was, like, mud floods. Like, that's just one part of
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this video game. And you can do anything you
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want. So yeah, probably I would.
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I would guess, yeah. Yeah, but hang on a second.
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Also, a lot of what we're told is simply not true.
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Absolutely. And that's part of the video
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game is for you to figure out what's actually happening, to
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figure out what what you really are, which is really like really
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difficult for most people to do and to actually live that way
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inside the video game. I think that's the the highest
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sort of goal of this video game is to actually play it
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completely consciously, knowing what you really are.
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Do you think they are controllers of everything around
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us though? Inside the video game,
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absolutely. Yeah.
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There's the bad guys in this video game are incredible.
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They're like, you know, not human.
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They they they feed off of the energy of humans.
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This is all part of the video game.
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It's incredible. Well, hold on.
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When you say they're not human, what do you mean?
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Well, they're not human, so. So whatever they are like,
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there's different ways that you could.
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Yeah, David says. Reptilian.
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Yeah, you could call it that if you wanted to.
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If I was talking to a organized religion, sort of a person, like
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a person who's in the Catholic Church, I would just call it
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Satan. It's not human, it's not from.
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It's not from this dimension and not in the human form that is
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doing a lot of these things on Earth.
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Yeah. Everything's part of the video
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game. And yeah, I laugh when I hear,
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like, scientists, they're like, we know exactly how long, how,
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how old the universe is. And they're like, it's 6.7
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billion years old. It's like, OK, well, what was
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there before that? And they're like, well, we don't
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know or nothing. And then it all exploded.
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I'm like, that's the stupidest theory I've ever heard, that
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that's like, like, how stupid are you?
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How many years did you go to school to to come up with that
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idea? There was nothing.
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And it all exploded. Oh, thanks.
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Yeah. Great.
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They're smart. I actually read some some way
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they where they they did some mental gymnastics saying that,
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well, actually nothing is actually something.
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Yeah, that's why it was able to explode into something more and
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then it expanded, which is currently doing, but it's
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expanding into itself. You know, if you go deep enough
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into even the science sort of stuff, it actually all leads
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back to this. None of this actually exists.
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Like that's actually where a lot of that sort of that I forget
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the words they use for it, quantum physics or something,
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something like that. When you, when I, I see some of
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those guys sometimes talking about like some of them, I see
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they write like a whole book basically talking like how I'm
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talking right now, but based on science, because they've kind of
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like looked at scientifically and like, holy cow, like nothing
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actually exists. Like that double slit experiment
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and stuff like that. It's like if you look at it and
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does something different. So who's actually controlling
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what's actually happening here, right?
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And doesn't even actually exist. And that's where a lot of the
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scientific guys are coming to. They're like, well, this thing
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can exist and then it cannot exist.
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And that's kind of what you're saying there, right?
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So, so all these people are trying to like look and, and,
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and try to find out what's actually happening here.
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And it's interesting, but it's actually quite simple.
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Yes. But Jeff, the where you're at is
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multiple steps ahead of where the average person is at.
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Yeah, talking to an NPC who who quite possibly could actually be
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an NPC, like an actual soulless non player character inside the
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video game. There's actually a fair amount
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of evidence that's true. So yeah, it'd be kind of crazy
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to try to tell like a non player character how the game works.
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It's pointless. As for myself, I think I've come
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to these conclusions. You could say our knowledge
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after years and years of doing work which started, it actually
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started with ayahuasca and then I went into a boga.
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Then I went into deep hypnotherapy work to clear out
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my traumas for a number of years.
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And then after that I began meditating and I basically
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meditated for one to three hours a day for about 5 or 6 years at
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least, and some days up to like 567 hours a day.
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Now I do it in a plasma bath, which is incredible.
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I get downloads and now basically I don't really even
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need to meditate, so to speak. I'm basically always in a
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meditative state now. So yeah, that's basically how
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I've gotten here. And as I've gotten here, it
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becomes quite clear. It becomes quite obvious what's
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actually happening if you do enough of that work.
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Tell me a little bit more about your your day.
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Well, I can tell you about my day today.
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So I woke up at 5:00 in the morning like 5 on the dot in the
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morning. I don't know why my kid, my 3
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year old, he's just turned 3, just hadn't woken up yet.
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So I decided to go up and, you know, get my prepared for my
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day, get my water ready, which is my hydrogen water and all my
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supplemental type stuff. And then I went down to my spa
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and I did about an hour on the treadmill and lifting weights.
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Then I went in a massage chair where I usually use a brain tap
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hypnosis device for about half an hour and reprogram my mind,
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which you can totally do to, to make yourself whatever you want
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to be. And then I went and did my Tesla
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machine, which is a plasma device, which is incredible.
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It basically heals everything. It actually D ages you.
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I've actually D aged by a couple decades over the last year or
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so. Then I went into a steam room
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and then I went into sauna, which I, I have all these things
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in my house by the way. And then I went into my cold
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plunge pool after the steam room and sauna, which is incredible.
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It's the best. It's almost like doing ecstasy.
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Then I went outside and I lied. I'm here in Acapulco.
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So I lied in the sun naked for about half an hour, which the
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sun is so important for health and so good for your mood and
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everything. And after the cold plunge pool,
24:15
it's, it's the best. And then I went in my Tesla
24:19
plasma bath and that's where I used to meditate.
24:22
And now I still do meditate because I'm always in that
24:24
meditative state, which I'll get to in a second.
24:26
And I get incredible downloads because this plasma, this is
24:30
something most people don't even know about yet, is basically
24:33
life force energy straight from the creator.
24:36
And you can actually get downloads, you can get
24:38
connected, you can heal anything you want with it.
24:41
Then after that, I went to my hyperbaric chamber and I fell
24:44
asleep for about an hour and actually set my alarm exactly
24:47
for 5 minutes before this interview.
24:49
I walked up, I, I hugged my daughter, I kissed my wife, I
24:52
turned on the camera. And now we're doing this.
24:56
And yeah, you're asking about like a meditative statement.
24:59
It's a meditative state. It's just being completely
25:01
present always, or in that moment at least, right?
25:05
So I'm, I'm almost always, I can't say I'm always, I do fall
25:09
out of it every now and then, but it's quite rare now.
25:11
So I'm basically always present now.
25:14
And most people probably don't even understand what that means
25:16
because they're probably most people are actually living in
25:19
their mind. They're usually living in the
25:21
past or the future, either worrying about the past or, you
25:25
know, feeling bad about the past or reliving the past because
25:28
that was the good times, or thinking about the future and
25:31
worrying about the future or getting excited about the
25:33
future. But they're actually never
25:35
present. And when you're actually
25:36
present, that's the only part of this video game that's even
25:40
close to real. Everything else is actually your
25:43
mind is creating all sorts of things.
25:46
You're actually not living in the present.
25:49
So that's what I mean by meditative state.
25:51
I struggle with being in the present.
25:54
It's an ongoing battle for me. Like most people live that way.
25:57
Like there's very few people actually, I think they call it
25:59
enlightened when you live this way.
26:01
And it's like very few people on earth, I think they say are
26:04
actually always in the state. Like I think they say Buddha and
26:07
maybe Jesus or something. I don't know.
26:09
But, and I think there's more, but I think there's quite a bit
26:12
more, but there's not many people who are pretty much
26:16
present most of the time. And I, again, I'm going to say
26:19
I'm not present 100% of the time, all day, every day.
26:23
I can fall into it or out of it, but I usually catch myself
26:27
fairly quickly now. And that's something it's just,
26:30
it's just work. It's just, it's just like going
26:33
to the gym. You know, if, if I was Arnold
26:36
Schwarzenegger back when he was winning Mr. Universe and stuff,
26:39
and you were like a skinny guy and you're like, how do I become
26:42
like you? I would say, well, you've got to
26:46
be in the gym like every day, like 3 hours a day.
26:49
You got to be eating exactly the right thing.
26:51
You got to be sleeping perfectly, all these sort of
26:53
things. It's the exact same thing for
26:56
actually turning your mind into like complete like superpower
27:00
mind where you actually control it because most people, their
27:04
minds actually controlling them. And that's the exact opposite of
27:07
what you want. And that's, yeah, so many people
27:09
have anxiety and so many things because they're unable to stay
27:13
present when you, when you're in a present moment.
27:16
Like actually, we can do a little little thing for you here
27:19
if you want. Yeah, let's do it. close your
27:21
eyes and take a really deep breath.
27:25
Just really deep in this moment right now.
27:31
Is there any problem? No.
27:35
OK, You were just present there for for like a second.
27:38
If you stay in that moment, there's never a problem.
27:40
Of course there could be a problem, right?
27:42
Let's say a tiger just lunges through that window behind me
27:46
right now. That's something I'll have to
27:48
deal with and I might even fall out of my present moment state
27:51
or I might even go even deeper into it actually.
27:54
But for the most part in life, there's rarely any serious
27:59
immediate problem. But most people actually live
28:02
like there's always an immediate because of the way our culture
28:06
is that the, all the information, the news always
28:09
shouting at you people, oh, you got to do this.
28:11
You got to go to school, you got to work, you got to get your
28:14
mortgage, you got to, you know, all this sort of stuff has
28:17
people rarely ever living actually presently.
28:21
And when you're like that, it's very difficult.
28:24
And I totally feel for you. I used to be like that myself.
28:27
And I'll give you 1 tip, drinking alcohol will not help
28:31
you to stay present. It actually just so you know, I
28:35
used to, I drank more than anyone and probably in the
28:37
history of the world almost, you know, and it actually what it
28:43
actually does, and I've learned this myself personally is I used
28:47
to drink quite a bit because I was looking for this, this, this
28:50
being present all the time sort of a thing.
28:54
And after one or two drinks, my mind would stop yapping so much
28:58
and I'd start to just enjoy the moment for a bit there, right?
29:02
And that's actually like a meditative state.
29:05
The problem is that's actually poison.
29:08
It's actually lowering your vibration.
29:10
And so you can actually feel even worse afterwards and it
29:14
will make it even harder for you to get into this regular present
29:19
state. So as advice to you, what I
29:23
would do, and it's actually not very hard.
29:25
It can be hard. Like my first few years of
29:27
meditating was like having the crap kicked out of me every day
29:31
because I had to actually look at myself.
29:33
I had to actually look at my traumas.
29:34
I actually have the feel and, and, and look at everything
29:39
about myself, my programs, my, my childhood, all these sort of
29:43
things. But does what the main way to do
29:47
it is every morning, just set aside some time and it could be,
29:50
you know, whatever you need to do.
29:52
If it takes you a few minutes to wake up or whatever it is.
29:54
Once you're basically awake, try to find a place you can just be
29:58
by yourself and go sit and lie down.
30:01
And the one thing you want to do is just watch your mind.
30:04
And this is something that most people have never even tried to
30:07
do. And it's the most important
30:09
thing to do because until you can actually see what your
30:13
mind's doing and actually realize you're not your mind,
30:17
then all these things will just continue on basically forever.
30:20
So what you want to do is just sit, take a deep breath, like,
30:23
like we just did, or take a couple and then go, OK, I'm
30:27
going to see how long I go before I have a thought.
30:30
And what you'll probably notice is within seconds, you'll have a
30:33
thought. And you might even get trapped
30:35
in that thought. That thought might be, oh,
30:37
don't, don't forget tomorrow you got to go do this interview or
30:41
something like that, right? And before you know it, you've
30:43
been thinking, oh, and then, oh, yeah, I'm interviewing that guy.
30:46
And before you know it, it's been like a minute or two, your
30:48
endless thought, right? That's OK.
30:50
That's all part of training. It's just like going to the gym.
30:53
Whenever you reach the point where you go, wait a SEC, I just
30:57
got trapped into a thought for like minutes.
31:00
Don't beat yourself up. That's just totally normal.
31:02
It's just like going to the gym. Take another deep breath and go,
31:05
OK, let's try again. And you'll probably go 2 seconds
31:07
again. And but if you do this day after
31:10
day after day after day, you will eventually get more and
31:13
more aware of your mind. You'll also come to a
31:17
realization at at a certain point you'll be like, wait a
31:20
SEC, if I'm watching my mind. Who's?
31:25
Watching it and then as you continue to do this more and
31:29
more, you'll be like, oh, I'm not my mind.
31:32
I'm actually basically consciousness inside with the
31:36
mind and a body, which if you learn how to basically control,
31:42
you can do anything. You can actually change this
31:44
game completely. You can manifest anything you
31:45
want. So that's really the only thing
31:49
to be doing. Like when I hear about people
31:51
and they're like, should I do this?
31:52
Should I do that? I'm like, just do the work.
31:53
Because once you do the work and you get really good, you can
31:57
manifest anything you want. You can change, you can
31:59
reprogram yourself, you can do anything you want.
32:02
What are the benefits? You can have anything you have,
32:06
you can, well, you know, really like for me, the benefit is how
32:11
I feel. Like I can't even describe it
32:16
how I feel now. Like when I mentioned.
32:19
So all those things I did this morning was about 5 hours.
32:21
I was up at 5. By the time I got down to the
32:24
spa, it was about just a little bit before 7:00.
32:26
So I did a whole bunch of stuff, organized some things.
32:30
I, I finished at about 5 minutes before noon.
32:33
So that was almost five hours that I was in the gym in the
32:36
massage chair doing the hypnotherapy, the steam room,
32:39
the spa, the Tesla machine, the, the cold plunge pool, the, the
32:46
tanning or, you know, sunbathing, you could say the
32:51
plasma bath and the hyperbaric chamber.
32:53
That was about 5 hours. But it's like almost like I'm on
32:59
ecstasy the entire time because I'm basically in this meditative
33:03
state and I'm actually enjoying it all.
33:05
And then the reason I can enjoy it, by the way, is I've done
33:08
years of the self work. So I don't have all these mind
33:13
things coming in like, oh, you better do this.
33:15
Oh, you're not strong enough. Those things are gone.
33:18
Because I've, I've actually worked on my mind enough that
33:21
like even if I do hear every now and then something, I just kind
33:24
of laugh. I'm like, yeah, OK, I heard you.
33:26
Yeah. Nice trying, right?
33:28
That sort of a thing. So I actually basically I'm
33:30
almost in like a state of ecstasy as I'm doing all these
33:34
things. Like as an example, when I fell
33:37
asleep in the hyperbaric and my alarm woke me up when I was
33:41
awake after all that I was like, Oh my God, I feel so good.
33:45
Like you can't describe how I felt after doing all those
33:49
things, right? So, you know, I, you're asking
33:53
what are the benefits in this matrix and this 3D video game of
33:57
this? Like you basically, if you can
33:59
reach the levels I've reached, and this has taken about 10
34:01
years, just so everyone knows, I'm sure people can probably do
34:04
it way faster than me. I'm kind of slow and not very
34:06
smart in some ways, like I really am.
34:10
I just don't catch on to some things sometimes.
34:12
And but basically every day for me now is almost like like I'm
34:20
never not happy. Like I'm basically either happy
34:23
or ecstatic most of the day, no matter what I'm doing.
34:27
And it could be something bad. It could be like someone goes,
34:29
hey, Jeff, this just happened. It was something bad.
34:32
I still feel fine. Like obviously like let's say
34:36
like one of my dogs died, like Lucy died like a year or two
34:39
ago. I wasn't like that.
34:41
That was tough. That was really hard.
34:43
But I also hadn't reached quite this level at that point.
34:46
But you know, it's never fun. Like you're still in a human
34:50
body, you still have human emotions.
34:52
So I still felt those things. But in general, if anything like
34:56
that happens, I'm still generally fine.
34:58
I, I feel generally great. And actually, I know that
35:02
anything that happens, no matter what's going to happen, it could
35:05
be something horrendous like a rape or a murderer of someone I
35:08
really care about. Well, that'd be horrible.
35:10
I hope that never happens because that'd be horrible,
35:12
obviously. But I'd still probably be OK
35:16
because I know it's all part of the video game and I know it's
35:19
there for a reason for me to learn, for me to learn about
35:21
grieving, for me to learn about sadness or whatever it is.
35:26
So yeah, that's the benefits basically.
35:28
And then on top of that, when you get to these levels where
35:31
you can really control your mind and you're really present all
35:34
the time, not only can you see things so much better that you
35:38
can you become like a superhuman almost in like, how did you know
35:42
that? Like people ask me about that in
35:43
my, I've predicted so many things that have happened over
35:46
the last few years. Like how did you know?
35:47
I'm like, I was in my plasma bath and it all just came to me,
35:50
you know, that sort of a thing. And then on top of that, I've
35:52
also learned how to manifest what you can do inside the video
35:55
game once you get to these sort of levels.
35:57
And so you can manifest anything you want, whatever you want.
36:00
But The thing is that a lot of the stuff that I used to want
36:04
like 20 years ago, I don't want now.
36:06
So if you would ask me 20 years ago, Jeff, you could manifest
36:09
anything. What would you manifest?
36:10
I'd be like a 400 foot yacht full of basically prostitutes
36:14
and cocaine and alcohol, right? That's what I would have wanted.
36:18
But now actually I've reached a level where I can kind of see
36:21
that those things are actually negative for for what I actually
36:26
am now. So I actually don't want any of
36:28
those things. So one of the kind of the funny
36:30
things about reaching these levels is that you can manifest
36:35
basically anything, but you don't really want or need
36:38
anything at that point. When external forces come into
36:45
play, like 2020 lockdowns and the mandates and all that kind
36:49
of stuff, how did that affect you?
36:54
Well, at the very beginning it affected me a fair amount
36:57
because that was like 5 years ago, so I was still actually
37:00
drinking alcohol back then. I was meditating, but I was
37:03
nowhere near where I am today. And so it actually affected me
37:08
quite a bit at the very beginning because all of a
37:12
sudden I couldn't travel to go to conferences and stuff, which
37:15
I've been doing for years. Also a small thing, but it
37:19
really bothered me was they stopped playing hockey during
37:22
the Kobe at the beginning and I was like really wrapped up into
37:26
watching hockey and stuff like that.
37:28
But it actually turned out to be one of the best things ever for
37:31
me because what I happened was I couldn't travel, I couldn't
37:34
watch hockey. So I thought, well, I guess I'll
37:36
just do more of this self work I'm doing.
37:38
And I actually got way deeper into it and ended up meditating
37:40
hours a day after that. And that's when everything
37:43
changed dramatically for me. So, so in some ways, that entire
37:48
event, and this can be the case from a lot of people was a very
37:52
positive thing for me. And I think that's kind of what
37:54
it was. It was kind of like a slap to
37:56
humanity. You better wake up or things are
37:59
going to get just way worse here.
38:02
And the universe or the creator or whatever you want to call it
38:05
will do things that's like that to try to wake up.
38:08
And now, of course, some people woke up like myself, and some
38:12
people just got even deeper into it, right?
38:14
So they're, you know, that's, that's all part of the video
38:16
game. You spoke about yacht and
38:20
prostitutes and and drinking a lot of suddenly reminded me
38:24
about your trip with your mate Luke where you went to Epstein
38:27
Island. It was pre COVID, so it was I
38:30
think 2019. And yeah, that was a very past
38:34
life me of we're on a private plane going from island to
38:39
island drinking. And Luke said let's try to get
38:42
on Epstein's island. And we went and had a bunch of
38:45
drinks and then gave a captain a bunch of drinks and he dropped
38:48
us off. And yeah, so that was a part of
38:53
my old life for sure. You were there for about 30
38:55
minutes and you didn't have shoes on.
38:58
Yeah, yeah. We didn't think he was going to
39:01
drop us off, so we actually got him drunk on purpose.
39:05
He's a captain, he likes pirates and stuff, and he's in the
39:08
Caribbean, so if you give him some rum, he's definitely going
39:11
to drink it. And we actually have the idea
39:13
we'll give him some drinks and maybe he'll let us go to the
39:15
island because he said otherwise he wouldn't, It'd be way too
39:18
dangerous for him to go near the island.
39:21
So we got on some drinks and then we're sailing past the
39:25
island and all of a sudden he pulls up to the dock and he
39:27
goes, if you're going to go, you got like 5 seconds.
39:29
And Luke hopped off, He had his shoes on and I hopped off and
39:32
grabbed my camera and I didn't have my shoes on.
39:34
I didn't even think of it. And the entire island is these
39:37
jagged little rocks. And so I would have enjoyed that
39:41
way more if only I had shoes. But for me, it was, it was
39:45
mostly like a torture for an hour.
39:48
It was about an hour, I think like 30 minutes to an hour.
39:50
I think I'm just walking on jagged little rocks for me
39:55
personally, until we eventually got down to the beach and then
39:59
they they kind of found us and then we had to run for the boat.
40:03
My YouTube channel got deleted. I don't, but I think Luke, We
40:09
are change, it's still on. So if you go to We Are change
40:11
Epstein's island, you should find it.
40:16
Now going back to your morning routine, which is absolutely
40:21
fascinating. Does your wife join you?
40:25
She doesn't join me exactly, but she does a lot of the same
40:28
stuff. She usually her day usually
40:30
starts with prayer and meditation out in the sun as the
40:34
sun rises. Then she usually does yoga.
40:37
Then she usually comes down to the gym, and by then I'm out of
40:40
the gym, and then she'll work out the gym and then by the time
40:44
she gets to the Tesla machine, I'm already done there.
40:46
So she basically follows behind me on a lot of these things.
40:50
So she does the sauna, she does the cold plunge pool, she does
40:54
the plasma bath, but yeah, usually right behind me.
40:57
So we're kind of like, not together, but I see her every
41:02
now and then. I say hi and stuff like that.
41:04
Oh, I suppose it doesn't really matter though, does it?
41:08
No, it doesn't really matter. You know, like basically we're
41:12
both doing our own thing. And it's not like a lot of these
41:16
things are like couples activities sort of a thing,
41:19
right? Like we can't both be in the
41:21
massage chair at the same time. She actually doesn't like it
41:24
when I'm in the gym. When she's in the gym, you know,
41:26
she just wants her own space, which I totally understand.
41:29
That's that's fine. So we kind of, we both do it,
41:31
but kind of separately. Now, obviously somebody
41:36
listening to this might ask you. Oh, yeah, OK, but fine.
41:40
I, I work in the city. How am I supposed to be present?
41:46
Well, like I said, the all you need do you have like 20 minutes
41:50
a day where you can go sit and watch your own mind.
41:52
That's all you need to do. All these other things I do are
41:55
all just added on top of all the things I do, Although I should
42:00
say, like for someone who doesn't have say, a lot of money
42:04
or lives in a place where they don't have their own gym and
42:06
stuff like that. Like most of this stuff isn't
42:08
very like all the stuff I'm doing.
42:10
Like for example, I, I usually go on the treadmill and, and do
42:14
like about an hour, about a 5K every morning on the treadmill,
42:17
but I could just easily do it outside as well.
42:19
And actually that'd be better for me in some ways.
42:22
I'd be more grounded, more getting more sun.
42:24
But I, I, I go and do those things in different ways.
42:28
Obviously lifting weights, you can just do calisthenics, you
42:30
can just get a couple barbells, you know, like not super easy.
42:34
Then I go in a massage chair. Now that's a little bit
42:36
expensive, but you can actually self massage yourself, which I
42:39
also also do, I usually do that in a hyperbaric chamber.
42:42
I've got one of those massage guns and I actually am in a
42:45
meditative state and I, I just allow my body to massage itself,
42:49
which is super awesome. So that massage gun, $50 steam
42:53
room, you could have a hot shower, I guess, get the steam
42:55
going sauna. There's actually home saunas
42:59
that aren't even that expensive really.
43:02
Those are great. Now Tesla machine, that's it's
43:06
about $11,000 to be a member of the Tesla club.
43:09
So that's a bit more expensive. That's that's what I would call
43:11
like a superpower up. Once you get to those levels,
43:14
once you can manifest, you could probably just manifest yourself.
43:17
One, I basically manifested my Tesla machine.
43:23
That's a whole other story. Then there's hyperbaric chamber.
43:26
That's a bit expensive. It's about 8 to $10,000 for
43:30
hyperbaric chamber. But the one thing I would say is
43:32
like if you add up all those things, that's about $20,000 of
43:36
stuff. Your average person has probably
43:38
got a car worth at least 20,000, probably 40,050 thousand.
43:42
They're probably financing and stuff like that.
43:44
They're probably spending a lot of their money going to sports
43:46
ball games and bars and restaurants and stuff like that.
43:49
So I would say if you really feel like you want to do a lot
43:53
of stuff I'm doing, you can probably do it.
43:55
It's just a matter of you making a decision of what's a priority
43:58
in your life. I agree with you.
44:01
So I got tired of going to the gym.
44:04
So I basically built my own gym and, and, and, and I've got my
44:10
own weights and barbell and, and all that kind of thing.
44:12
And it's, it's very rewarding and it's you actually save money
44:17
down the line. How so?
44:23
Well, I mean, gym membership costs you money every single
44:25
month, but if you have your own gym, it's the, you know, there's
44:28
a bit of capital outlayer, but there's nothing after that.
44:33
Yeah, for sure. And if you think about it too,
44:35
like if it's the difference between you not exercising and
44:39
exercising, the value is massive, right?
44:41
Because if you because you don't have your own home gym, you
44:45
don't exercise and then you become like really ill and fat
44:49
and slow and all these sort of a things like what's the what's
44:52
the value of that? Right.
44:53
So I think a lot of people just don't really think about what's
44:57
the true value of a lot of these things and don't, you know, just
45:01
don't put their effort into those sort of things.
45:03
But that said, a lot of those things aren't that expensive.
45:06
Like you pointed out. Like even if like you can
45:08
actually let go watch a calisthenics YouTube.
45:12
They don't have any weights. Yeah, they're let's cause the
45:14
next table man. Yeah.
45:17
I'd rather do weights. A friend of mine's a farmer and
45:23
he argues that you, you get what you pay for.
45:30
So for example, he's a regenerative farmer.
45:33
So his eggs and chicken and all that kind of thing is more
45:37
expensive, right? Because there's less of it.
45:42
But what is the price of your health?
45:45
That's his question and it's a it's a great point.
45:50
Yeah, there's, there's actually, there's nothing in this 3D video
45:54
game that is more valuable because if you don't have your
45:58
physical health, then you really have nothing in this video game.
46:04
So yeah, like I'm amazed at how few people really focus on on
46:08
those sort of things and don't take care of those sort of
46:10
things. Like it seems like people don't
46:12
pay attention to the most important things sometimes.
46:15
But that is for for me, it's important to be physically as
46:19
good as possible for a number of reasons.
46:20
And one of them is because if my physical isn't good, my mental
46:24
isn't really good. And if my mental isn't really
46:27
good, then I can't do that self work, which I've already done
46:30
most of it to work on all those fixing my mind and reprogramming
46:34
my mind. And then on top of that, if my
46:37
mental is not good, it's really hard to connect in the
46:40
meditation and stuff like that to basically spiritually, you
46:44
can call it energetically. So, you know, I think even in
46:47
like the Catholic sort of a thing they talk about the, the
46:51
Trinity. I could be wrong on this, but
46:53
what they call it the, the, the temple, I don't know.
46:57
But like it basically what it is, it's true.
47:00
It's it's mind, body and, and basically soul.
47:03
It is basically what you are. And to not take care of one of
47:07
those three things, it is insane to me.
47:10
But your average person just doesn't know or doesn't, you
47:15
know, again, they, they want someone else to be doing it for
47:17
them. So they'll take an Ozempic or
47:18
something, right? And instead of actually just
47:22
doing basic workout, which makes you feel so good, it gets your
47:24
serotonin going and all that kind of stuff, they'll take
47:27
something from Pfizer that will make their teeth fall out, turn
47:30
them into a zombie and make them lose all their muscle instead,
47:33
right? So that there's always a choice.
47:36
Everyone's got a choice with everything.
47:37
And your average person's actually just missing out on
47:40
making a lot of the right choices, unfortunately.
47:44
What would happen if 50% of the world had a day like yours?
47:55
Wow, that's a interesting question, 50%.
47:57
OK, Well, I guess if what you're saying is have a day like mine,
48:03
that would mean they've done the work I've done to get to this
48:06
stage, right? I would say if half the world
48:10
had basically, because a lot of people will call this like
48:13
enlightened and stuff, right? I would say that if half the
48:18
world did that, this world would be so massively different that
48:22
you couldn't even comprehend how it could be what it would be.
48:29
You'd basically have a world that's very healed, very happy,
48:37
without the need for like all sorts of things to make them
48:40
happy, right? It would probably be far less
48:43
materialistic because a lot of that materialism comes from
48:47
unhappy people searching for a product to make them feel better
48:51
and stuff like that. You'd have, oh man, you'd have,
48:55
you know, so many people, their biggest issues are all their
48:58
childhood traumas and stuff. If people could fix those and
49:01
not pass those along, because that's usually what happens.
49:04
They just get passed right along to the next generation.
49:07
You'd have like a, you know, the whole world would be full of
49:09
basically little Buddhas and Jesus's basically.
49:12
And I don't know what that would look like, but it'd probably be
49:14
pretty beautiful because, because if they, if they knew
49:17
what I knew, they, they know there's, there's no reason to be
49:20
violent. Like one of the reasons that
49:22
people are, it's usually because of traumas that they've got or
49:26
things like, oh, they're going to like beat some up and take
49:29
their stuff, right. Well, if you did do this work,
49:32
you know that that that's basically you as well.
49:35
And that's not going to, that's not going to make you happy.
49:37
And you actually all the happiness is within.
49:39
And if people knew that, then, yeah, there'd be hardly any
49:42
violence, there'd be hardly any poverty.
49:45
There'd be, it'd just be a world of beauty and abundance for the
49:50
most part, I think, although you never know.
49:52
You never know how things would work out.
49:55
But yeah, I, I would imagine it'd be so much better than it
49:59
is now. Because in my opinion, the
50:01
amount of people on Earth who actually are even close to
50:07
having done the work on themselves and have that
50:10
connection to source is very, very small.
50:12
And that's why this world looks so crazy and horrible in so many
50:16
ways is because of that. So, yeah, you know, it kind of
50:20
got me thinking though, like what if what if everyone was
50:24
like that? I I almost wonder if it wouldn't
50:26
be kind of boring, right? So, you know, we might ruin the
50:29
three video game, right? Like maybe everyone's not
50:31
supposed to be like that for a reason, right?
50:33
I don't know. But it's by design though, isn't
50:37
it? To keep everybody distracted.
50:42
That's what actually this Matrix is really good at is distract,
50:46
keeping everyone distracted so they've got you in every single
50:49
way from the moment you're born. They take the little kids,
50:52
they're like, you gotta go into this government indoctrination
50:54
camp for 12 years and go memorize a bunch of useless
50:57
information. Then when you go home, we're
50:59
going to give you homework, and you can just waste more of your
51:02
time doing that. And then after all that, you're
51:04
probably going to be pretty depressed and tired.
51:06
So turn on the mind control box, the television programming, and
51:10
we'll give you a bunch of propaganda and feed it all into
51:12
your subconscious, give you all these things and make you feel
51:16
bad about yourself and all that sort of stuff.
51:19
Yeah. So yeah, almost everything in
51:21
this video game is a trap, and a lot of people have fallen for a
51:26
fair amount of them. So I think a lot of people, this
51:29
would just be too much for them because this is so outside of
51:32
the bounds of what most people think this world is.
51:37
But you know, what can I do about that?
51:39
There's nothing I can do with them.
51:40
All I can do is do what I do, and I'm doing this right now.
51:44
And if this helps some people out there, then awesome, because
51:48
basically all I'm doing is helping myself.
51:50
So it's kind of selfish, although I don't even really
51:52
care about that because it's all just a video game, but it, it is
51:57
kind of nice though. It is kind of nice.
51:58
It feels nice in the video game to help others.
52:00
Like that's something that I've always really liked about life
52:06
is helping other people in various ways and it can come in
52:09
so many different forms. But for me it, it just feels
52:13
nice. So if this does help some
52:14
people, great. And there's going to be lots of
52:16
people in the comments. He's crazy.
52:18
You know what, he's on drugs or something and you know, and you
52:23
know, that's, you know, whatever, whatever people want
52:26
to do with it, go ahead and do whatever you want with it.
52:29
I have no attachment to the outcome.
52:32
How can my audience follow you or follow your work or your
52:36
thoughts or anything along those lines?
52:40
You can go to dollarvigilante.com, which is
52:43
our financial newsletter, but I actually write about a lot of
52:45
stuff in our financial newsletter.
52:48
Also do videos where I go for walks with my dogs.
52:50
Usually you can find those at vigilante.tv is the best place.
52:54
It's also on bit shoot. It's also on Rumble or also on
52:57
YouTube. But the YouTube like it's
53:00
heavily we can't include a lot of the stuff we want to include
53:03
in it and they usually will delete a bunch of our videos and
53:06
stuff like that. I guess another way is to come
53:09
to our event in Arca Poco, which is coming up in February,
53:12
February 15th to 20th, and Puerto Vallarta.
53:15
And there's a lot of people who are similar in mindset to what
53:19
I've been talking about are all there.
53:23
So if you think you know all this stuff I've been talking
53:26
about, it's really interesting you'd like to be around people
53:28
like that. That's basically what an
53:30
Arcapoco is coming up in February.
53:33
Have you been to my end of the pond?
53:36
I've never been to South Africa. I've tried to go numerous times
53:40
and I've always gotten derailed along the way.
53:44
I've been to Morocco, I've been to Egypt, Zimbabwe.
53:49
Oh, that's quite close. Yeah, On the Zimbabwe trip, I
53:52
was actually with Luke and we were going to go to South
53:55
Africa, but something happened again.
53:57
Like this has happened to me numerous times where I just was
53:59
going to go and something happened and I didn't then end
54:02
up going. So I've actually been invited by
54:04
another friend who lives in Cape Town to to a visit and I
54:09
wouldn't mind at all. I'd like to go see South Africa,
54:12
Cape Town and so maybe in sometime in the next year, you
54:17
know, Craven willing. I'm, I'm in Cape Town.
54:20
If you do come, come and stay at my house.
54:22
Jeff Berwick, thank you for joining me in the trenches.