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Ken Rosenthal’s BIG report on what really happened (& what didn’t) at the Trade Deadline + Winners/Losers · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: We're back with the Inside Scoop. This is one of
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Speaker 1: my favorite segments of the year. Get ready for this
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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes where Ken just pulled out his or wrote
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Speaker 1: his and released his article on trades that happens, things
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Speaker 1: that didn't happen, and you know all the conversations during
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Speaker 1: the deadline. So Ken, let's start with Trek Scoogle. Teams
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Speaker 1: that were interested the River Ryan factor. Can you get
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Speaker 1: into that portion of what happened here over the last week.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting. At one point I reported that teams
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Speaker 2: were saying that the Tiger's preference was to have a
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Speaker 2: controllable starter. Now, the Tigers never responded to me during
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Speaker 2: that time and never said whether that was true, but
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Speaker 2: I was hearing it from the clubs. So ultimately that's
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Speaker 2: what they did. They got a controllable starter, River Ryan,
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Speaker 2: as well as a great outfield prospects, your Hope and
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Speaker 2: Brady Smith another picture. And while they weren't hell bent
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Speaker 2: on getting a picture in this deal, certainly they wanted
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Speaker 2: to balance out their position prospects with more pitching prospects.
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Speaker 2: They were deep in position player prospects, not so deep
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Speaker 2: on the pitching side. Their number one pick this year
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Speaker 2: was a pitcher as well. So they feel that with
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Speaker 2: this trade with getting Ryan and Smith and then the
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Speaker 2: two pitchers from mys as well in addition to Cameron
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Speaker 2: Fluki the number one pick, that they've kind of brought
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Speaker 2: their prospect level on the pitching side up to what
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Speaker 2: it is on the position player side. So in that sense, yes,
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Speaker 2: pitching wasn't necessarily required, but it was something that kind
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Speaker 2: of helped along. I would say for the Dodgers.
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Speaker 1: Let's focus on the Brewers for a moment. That's been
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Speaker 1: a lot of heat with even our show, back and
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Speaker 1: forth with their fans. So why wasn't their package good enough?
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Speaker 1: Why didn't they want infield pop? And this one actually
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Speaker 1: stood out to me too. Out of everyone out there
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Speaker 1: besides Schooble, they liked either Kevin Gossman or Dustin may So.
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Speaker 1: They didn't like Jose Soriano, they didn't like Robbie Ray.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious where their thought process was and if it
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Speaker 1: feels like it's going to.
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Speaker 2: Be enough, Well, they were in there for school, there's
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Speaker 2: no question about it. And as I reported, they offered
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Speaker 2: a number of different scenarios to the Tigers, some of
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Speaker 2: which involve pitching. Apparently none of them involve Logan Henderson,
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Speaker 2: but you can understand why they don't want to trade
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Speaker 2: Logan Henderson. My understanding is that Luis Penner, their great
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Speaker 2: infield prospect, was part of their offers, or at least
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Speaker 2: some of them, and they had a number of combinations,
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Speaker 2: so they weren't just there for show. They made serious
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Speaker 2: offers and it just turned out that the Dodgers' offers
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Speaker 2: were preferable to the Tigers. Did the Tigers or I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: did the Brewers simply not go far enough? Yes, you
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Speaker 2: can say that, and they would argue, hey, we can
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Speaker 2: only go to a certain extent because we're not the Dodgers.
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Speaker 2: We don't have the financial resources of the Dodgers, can't
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Speaker 2: sign free agents, and we can't miss on young players
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Speaker 2: or keep trading young players because there are lifeblood. My
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Speaker 2: counter to that would be that right now, especially with
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Speaker 2: left side infielders, Brewers are so stacked that they could
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Speaker 2: do it, and obviously they were willing to do it
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Speaker 2: because Peena was part of some of the packages. Then
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Speaker 2: they would have had to have added pitching, and yes,
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Speaker 2: pitching is a more precious commodity. We all understand that,
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Speaker 2: but in this particular case, when you have it won
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Speaker 2: the World Series ever, when you have this amazing system
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Speaker 2: and when you have a real chance here to knock
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Speaker 2: off the Dodgers, I felt that this was the year
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Speaker 2: to do it. A lot of us did that said
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Speaker 2: what they did, Dustin May and Jojo Romero who is
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Speaker 2: recovering from an appendectomy from the Cardinals, Antonio Sanzetela from
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Speaker 2: the Rockies. That deepens an already really good staff. And
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Dustin May is Schoobul He's not,
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Speaker 2: but he's pretty good at his best, and last night
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Speaker 2: he was really good in his first start for the Brewers.
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Speaker 2: So no one should say that the Brewers cannot do this.
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Speaker 2: They can do this, but with Schooble it would have
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Speaker 2: looked a little bit better.
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Speaker 1: And you can, I get it long term. You can't
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Speaker 1: do this every year where you're like, hey, we're going
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Speaker 1: to do something really painful, but just to do a
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Speaker 1: quick exercise right now, I think anybody would take the
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Speaker 1: entire Brewers organization over the Mets organization, major league, minor league,
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Speaker 1: the whole thing, right, So can you do that for
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Speaker 1: one time? One trade and it's okay, I think so,
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Speaker 1: And yes, maybe it's not Logan Anderson, but were there
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Speaker 1: other packages there, even if it had to be a
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Speaker 1: five player prospect package. I think that's the part that's
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Speaker 1: hard to swallow.
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Speaker 2: And I'm with you, Scott, and I wrote this in
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Speaker 2: that notes Calm today. Teams treat these guys, the prospects,
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Speaker 2: like every one of them is going to be a star.
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Speaker 2: Guess what, every one of them is not going to
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Speaker 2: be a star. And even if they go on to stardom.
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Speaker 2: And Britgioli made this point in her column yesterday. One
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Speaker 2: of the worst deadline trades in recent years by the
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Speaker 2: Rays Joe Ryan for Nelson Cruz. Okay, losing Joe Ryan hurt.
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Speaker 2: Joe Ryan became a two time All Star. Guess what
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Speaker 2: The Rays made the playoffs to two years after that.
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Speaker 2: So at some point there is a time when, yes,
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Speaker 2: this kind of thing might make sense. Now we can
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Speaker 2: debate it. And maybe the Brewers felt that they just
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Speaker 2: couldn't go to the whatever level that they need to
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Speaker 2: go to. Okay, we get it. But to say it
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Speaker 2: could not have happened, no, that's not the case. They
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Speaker 2: could have afforded it financially. I reported that before the deadline,
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Speaker 2: and they could have done this. But at the same time, yes,
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Speaker 2: the Dodgers did possess certain advantages here I wrote about
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Speaker 2: them as well, there's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 3: How about the Atlanta Braves talking about them, they seem
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Speaker 3: like the only one for two guys in school and
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Speaker 3: de gram is there reasoning for that? Because you think
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Speaker 3: about they need some starters. I mean you got Chris Sale,
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Speaker 3: of course, but talk to me about like if they
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Speaker 3: go in the playoffs, which they will, who's game two,
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Speaker 3: Who's Game three?
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Speaker 2: Like? Who?
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Speaker 3: Why only just those two guys?
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Speaker 2: Well TDD this was one of the big stories at
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Speaker 2: the deadline. Why didn't the Braves do more? And to
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Speaker 2: answer your last question, right now, Bryce Elder probably would
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Speaker 2: be their number two. He was great early, had a
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Speaker 2: little bit of a lull, and now he's been really
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Speaker 2: good again. So there's your answer. But yes, we all
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Speaker 2: expected them to go for a playoff caliber starter because
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Speaker 2: they've been talking about doing this since last November and
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Speaker 2: they still have been done it now. I crushed him
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Speaker 2: in spring training for that. I said they were playing
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Speaker 2: with fire basically, and right now they're sitting with the
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Speaker 2: second best record in the National League and the third
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Speaker 2: best rotation he array, so what did I know? The question, though, becomes, yes,
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Speaker 2: the playoffs and will they have enough dominance to succeed,
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Speaker 2: because that is what happens in the postseason. You generally
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Speaker 2: need dominance starting pitching, not always, but generally. So I
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Speaker 2: don't know if they'll pull this off or not with
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Speaker 2: the current group. They've got Smith, Shovor coming back. They've
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Speaker 2: got the hope of schwellenback coming back. But at the
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Speaker 2: same time, it just would have been nice to have
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Speaker 2: had one more. Now. Their point on to and Schoolble
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Speaker 2: was we want impact. We're not gonna play on these
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Speaker 2: lesser guys, although they were in on storryatam. We're not
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Speaker 2: gonna give up a ton for lesser guys who we
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Speaker 2: think are not much better than what we have. Again
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Speaker 2: the debatable point, and we'll see how it all plays out.
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Speaker 4: Kim, We're gonna head out west to the Padres now
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Speaker 4: with aj Preller, it kind of seemed like a unique
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Speaker 4: deadline for him. Didn't make the splashy move, got a
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Speaker 4: couple of arms, but do you think he was really
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Speaker 4: shopping to build the big bullpen arms that they had
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Speaker 4: or was it just kind of at the end of
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Speaker 4: the day they felt like that was a strength and
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Speaker 4: didn't want to move off of it.
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Speaker 2: Well, Brad, good talking to you first of all, and
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Speaker 2: I will quote what executives always tell me. We're not shopping,
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Speaker 2: we're just listening. Of course, it's semantics. They weren't necessarily
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Speaker 2: shopping Mason Miller and Adrian morejone, but they were listening,
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Speaker 2: and they listened right to the end because Aj Preller,
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Speaker 2: like most heads of baseball operations, is always playing all
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Speaker 2: sides of all coins, and in this case, he ultimately decided,
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Speaker 2: like all teams do with players at this caliber, if
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Speaker 2: we hit a certain bar, if the offer is at
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Speaker 2: a certain level, we'll do it. Never got there, and
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Speaker 2: ultimately what he wanted to do was supplement his rotation,
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Speaker 2: which badly needed supplementation, and he acquired Robbie Ray, He
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Speaker 2: acquired Casey Mice, gave up decent prospects for both, but
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Speaker 2: of course that has been his mo for the past
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Speaker 2: several deadlines. The difference here, actually there were two differences. One,
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Speaker 2: he's in kind of a funny place with the team
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Speaker 2: changing hands. The ownership sale is not yet complete, and two,
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Speaker 2: he in the past when he's made his big deals
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Speaker 2: has generally not gone for rentals. Hanner Scott was an exception.
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Speaker 2: Most of the other ones were for players with the
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Speaker 2: years of control from Snell to Hater to Juan Soto
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Speaker 2: right down the line. Mason Miller was years of control.
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Speaker 2: In this case. He felt, Yeah, we've got a team
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Speaker 2: that is capable and they've got hopefully must grow up
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Speaker 2: in Paveda coming back. If all that happens and Paveda,
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Speaker 2: of course had the setback, then maybe the Padres or
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Speaker 2: something in the postseason, we'll see.
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Speaker 3: Let's let's stick out West. I mean the Padres, they
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Speaker 3: seem to always be in the mixture. You know, they
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Speaker 3: can't get over that hurdle with those Dodgers. Man, it's
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Speaker 3: absolutely incredible. But I want to talk about the Mariners
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Speaker 3: a little bit. It seemed like they were trying to
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Speaker 3: shop some guys, maybe George Kirby, Emerson Hancock. There was
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Speaker 3: ties to Zach neetto talk a little bit about them
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Speaker 3: and what they were kind of up to in this
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Speaker 3: whole trade deadline.
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Speaker 2: Well, they were looking for a bat and they got one,
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Speaker 2: Taylor Ward. They also acquired Sir Anthony Dominguez in the
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Speaker 2: Castillo trade, which was the late inning reliever that they wanted.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that that was as good as they
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Speaker 2: could have gotten or what they aspired to, but they
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Speaker 2: did inquire on zach Netto because if you look at
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Speaker 2: their roster after this season, Rosarina is a free agent,
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Speaker 2: so that would mean a hole in left field, and
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Speaker 2: JP Crawford is a free agent, which means a hole
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Speaker 2: on the left side of the enfield. Colet Emerson can
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Speaker 2: play either position. So yes, they were interested in Netto.
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Speaker 2: They were interested in all the short stops, but at
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Speaker 2: the same time, the prices for those guys were really high.
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Speaker 2: None of them moved, not Auto Lopez, not zach Netto,
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Speaker 2: not c J. Abrams. So the Mariners will be shopping
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Speaker 2: in the off season. And while they didn't trade Kirby
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Speaker 2: or Hancock, they can always revisit that in the off season,
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Speaker 2: and maybe that is when they feel will be the
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Speaker 2: better time to look at this and say, Okay, if
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Speaker 2: we can use one of those guys to get us,
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Speaker 2: maybe the left fielder, maybe the left side infielder, that's
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Speaker 2: what they'll do.
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Speaker 4: So kind of circling back to school ball, in the
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Speaker 4: trade with the Tigers. You kind of you wrote in
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Speaker 4: an article how they still feel like they can compete
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Speaker 4: even though they got rid of Myze and Schooble. What
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Speaker 4: was their thinking behind that if they like the guys
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Speaker 4: in the minors, so they just feel like they had
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Speaker 4: major league pieces that can replace them and still compete.
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Speaker 2: They like that Jackson job is coming back in the
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Speaker 2: next series against San Francisco. He is recovering from Tommy
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Speaker 2: John surgery. One of the best prospects in the sport
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Speaker 2: when he was coming up. They like that Drew Anderson
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Speaker 2: is now going to be in their rotation. They feel
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Speaker 2: he is a starter. They signed it to be a starter.
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Speaker 2: He just ended up in the bullpen to start the
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Speaker 2: year and he is under control for next year. So
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Speaker 2: both these guys can be part of their rotation. And
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Speaker 2: they feel obviously, while there's a drop off from schoobl
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Speaker 2: in miz maybe the drop off is not all that significant.
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Speaker 2: And then the Tigers, they're run differential since June first
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Speaker 2: is the best in the majors right now, it's the
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Speaker 2: second best in the American League, which I find astonishing,
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Speaker 2: but that's where they are, and run differential isn't everything. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: when you win eleven nothing like they did last night,
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Speaker 2: it gets juiced up, but it generally is an indication
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Speaker 2: of the underlying quality of your team. And the Tigers
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Speaker 2: still feel that they have a lot of quality and
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Speaker 2: more to come, obviously with these trades and all the
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Speaker 2: things that they've done. So given what they did a
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Speaker 2: couple years ago, and given the talent on that roster,
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Speaker 2: I can't rule them out.
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Speaker 3: A lot of executives talk about this trade deadline, thinking
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Speaker 3: it's not at the perfect time. Seems like they're talking
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Speaker 3: about wanting to get it in mid August. Talk a
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Speaker 3: little bit about that, and you know what, why would
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Speaker 3: they want it in mid August? What's the you know,
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Speaker 3: the good and bad of all of that situation.
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Speaker 2: The thinking todd is that if you move it to
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Speaker 2: mid August, you'd have more separation, more teams that have
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Speaker 2: a clearer idea of their direction. And that's probably true,
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Speaker 2: right If you wait another two weeks, some of these teams,
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Speaker 2: maybe the Pirates, for instance, would be further back and
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Speaker 2: would decide to sell. Who knows. I can see the
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Speaker 2: logic of that, But my problem with that, or at
12:47
Speaker 2: least the counter argument to that is, if you move
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Speaker 2: it to August fifteenth, you're only getting a player, a
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Speaker 2: rental player for instance, for six weeks. Therefore, the impact
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Speaker 2: is lower, the return is less, and I just don't
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Speaker 2: know if it would be worth it in the end.
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Speaker 2: This is me speaking now. The executives, a couple of
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Speaker 2: them want this, maybe more than a couple. I haven't
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Speaker 2: pulled off thirty. I just like it in late July
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Speaker 2: because it leaves two months for that player to impact
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Speaker 2: your team, and that's a long time, and it makes
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Speaker 2: the prices higher for those players, and it just in
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Speaker 2: my view, makes the deadline more meaningful. Now. The counter
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Speaker 2: to that is when we had the August waiver period
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Speaker 2: and there were still some big things that happened, most
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Speaker 2: notably twenty seventeen, Justin Verlander traded on the last day
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Speaker 2: of August. That certainly was an impactful move. And one
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Speaker 2: thing here, because we no longer have the August waiver
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Speaker 2: period and teams can no longer make moves of a
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Speaker 2: significant nature after July thirty first, or August third, whatever
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Speaker 2: the deadline is, then maybe there's a middle ground. And
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Speaker 2: that's another argument for pushing the deadline back, because we
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Speaker 2: have no August period. Let's put it in mid August
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Speaker 2: and kind of split the difference.
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Speaker 1: One quick note on that too. I actually miss it
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Speaker 1: a lot, ken because it would have put us in
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Speaker 1: a place where these bigger contracts can move, Like that's
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Speaker 1: a place where I've been, you know, to or talking
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Speaker 1: about say Willia Thomas, right, wasn't much much interest. If
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Speaker 1: he's the only guy available and they'll need some money,
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Speaker 1: maybe he's traded at that August deadline, and among others, right,
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Speaker 1: maybe they have time to talk to Gram into moving NIBALLDI,
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Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that. I liked that part. It
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Speaker 1: had to be big names sometimes because it has to
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Speaker 1: go through the waiver system, but we don't have that anymore.
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Speaker 2: It's true. And from a reporting standpoint, I hated it
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Speaker 2: because it's a confidential process, or was a confidential process,
14:38
Speaker 2: so you never knew who was on waivers and you
14:39
Speaker 2: had to find hopefully people who would tell you, and
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Speaker 2: it was kind of annoying. But there was action, And
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Speaker 2: I remember every year when this was in effect prior
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Speaker 2: to twenty nineteen, a story that would be written by
14:52
Speaker 2: a lot of people after July thirty first was who
14:55
Speaker 2: are the candidates to go in August and Scott. They
14:57
Speaker 2: were often the people, the players that you met, the
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Speaker 2: guys with huge contracts who would pass through waivers without
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Speaker 2: getting claimed and then maybe you can work out something.
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Speaker 1: So I did want to just follow up to our
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Speaker 1: conversation with Ken Rosenthal. There was one other part of
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Speaker 1: his notes column that we didn't get to that Brad,
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Speaker 1: you should have some insight for us on and it
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Speaker 1: was in relation to Tyler Wells getting picked up by
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Speaker 1: the Rays. Ken wrote about how the race picked up
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Speaker 1: Freddie Pulta and Liam Hicks, but to not underrate what
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Speaker 1: Tyler can do. Brandon Hyde works for the Race and
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Speaker 1: apparently gave a huge recommendation for Tyler Wells to be
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Speaker 1: added to the mix. He said, versatile success, different roles,
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Speaker 1: extremely competitive, great teammate, the whole thing. So what have
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Speaker 1: you seen from him during his Orioles days that you
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Speaker 1: think will work here?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's kind of a guy that can pitch in
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Speaker 4: any situation. Really, he's been a start before, he's gone
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Speaker 4: long relief, he's pitched multiple innings in high leverage and
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Speaker 4: to me, he's just got big A Hony says, no
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Speaker 4: other way to say He's just a big guy out
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Speaker 4: there and his stuff is not going to light up
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Speaker 4: the radar gun. He's not going to be throwing ninety
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Speaker 4: seven to ninety eight some of the closers. But at
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Speaker 4: the end of the day, he gets the job done,
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Speaker 4: lives at the top of the zone with a lot
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Speaker 4: of his stuff, really really good change up from there,
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Speaker 4: but at the end of the he just gets out
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Speaker 4: and he's not afraid to pitch in any role. He's
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Speaker 4: extremely humble for a guy that has had a lot
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Speaker 4: of success, and I think he's gonna be a big,
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Speaker 4: big pickup for them in this trade deadline. Very underrated
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Speaker 4: pickup for the Rays in this deadline.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, not the most well known name, although a veteran,
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Speaker 1: he's been around for a minute and he knows the
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Speaker 1: division super well. I mean, he's been with the Orioles here,
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Speaker 1: so he moves on to the race.
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Speaker 2: You know what else?
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Speaker 1: I just thought of, Todd Father. I mean, we talked
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Speaker 1: about it the other day, but you weren't on. There
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Speaker 1: were so many trades within divisions, so many trades with
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Speaker 1: the divisions right. The gms don't care anymore, and some
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Speaker 1: owners care some, but I think less and less of
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Speaker 1: them care if a player goes to another division because
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Speaker 1: also the owners get talked into about prospects, so they're like, hey,
16:53
Speaker 1: we're gonna snag their number five prospects, right, So it
16:57
Speaker 1: used to be more of am not even the Red Sox,
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Speaker 1: my one to one catcher or Atley Richman. Now it's
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Speaker 1: like a hey, go for it. Yeah, I put in
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Speaker 1: quotes the prospect. It's numbers.
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Speaker 3: It's like worrying about getting wins at eight, nine, ten, eleven,
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Speaker 3: twelve years old in travel baseball, it doesn't really matter
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Speaker 3: that much. But back to the race. Whenever they get
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Speaker 3: a picture, it always seems like that guy is like, wow,
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Speaker 3: guy just reinvented himself and he's come dominant. So any
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Speaker 3: picture that goes to Tampa should be ecstatic. But yes,
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Speaker 3: within the division, it's absolutely phenomenal how that goes, and
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Speaker 3: they don't care anymore. So what says you about your team?
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Speaker 3: We don't know. Another man's treasure is another man's treasure,
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Speaker 3: you know.
17:43
Speaker 2: Well, go everyone to the Monday edition of Fair Territory,
17:46
Speaker 2: the post deadline edition. No more trades or action, No
17:51
Speaker 2: more tweets from me saying Griffin Foster when I should
17:56
Speaker 2: have said Foster Griffin, No more tweets from me saying
18:00
Speaker 2: Hicks has been traded from the Rays to the Rays
18:02
Speaker 2: when he was traded from the Marlins to the Rays. Hey,
18:05
Speaker 2: these things happen. There were over forty trades yesterday by
18:09
Speaker 2: my unofficial count. Actually Jason Stark of the Athletic keeps
18:12
Speaker 2: track of that for us, And when I counted up
18:15
Speaker 2: the number of trades he listed this morning, it was
18:17
Speaker 2: over forty. I believe that would be a record. Some
18:20
Speaker 2: of course, were more important than others. But we got
18:23
Speaker 2: a lot to talk about this morning, and I'm going
18:26
Speaker 2: to do something that I don't normally like doing, but
18:30
Speaker 2: everybody does after the trade deadline, and it's the winners
18:33
Speaker 2: and losers segment. Now one day after the deadline, it's
18:37
Speaker 2: impossible to assess who won, who lost, how this is
18:42
Speaker 2: all going to turn out. That's the beauty of baseball.
18:44
Speaker 2: We don't know how it's going to turn out. And
18:48
Speaker 2: the reason I resist often doing this is because it's
18:51
Speaker 2: too snap a judgment, too quick, and it's like the
18:54
Speaker 2: mock trades that you see, the lists of candidates to
18:57
Speaker 2: be traded you see before the trade deadline. Tell me
19:00
Speaker 2: how many of those turn out to be right, and
19:02
Speaker 2: I'll tell you another story. Well, a lot of what
19:05
Speaker 2: I'm going to say here might turn out to be
19:07
Speaker 2: wrong as well, But I'm going to give you my
19:10
Speaker 2: assessment of what went down. I've got some winners, I've
19:14
Speaker 2: got some losers. I'm not gonna get to all thirty teams.
19:16
Speaker 2: If I missed your team, I am sorry. But let's
19:19
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about what went down at the deadline.
19:22
Speaker 2: All right, we'll start with the winners. Number one obvious
19:25
Speaker 2: Dodgers Schooble. We're not going to even go there. We've
19:28
Speaker 2: talked enough about that number two, and these aren't really
19:32
Speaker 2: ranked in any particular orders. I'm not gonna list numbers.
19:34
Speaker 2: I just said that number two is the Cubs, and
19:38
Speaker 2: I loved what the Cubs did. They got Kevin Gosman
19:40
Speaker 2: and Clay Holmes for their rotation, a rotation that has
19:42
Speaker 2: been battered by injuries. Gossmin a down year by his standards.
19:46
Speaker 2: Peripherals are good, though, and certainly he's a guy who's
19:49
Speaker 2: been there, one of the great veterans in the game.
19:52
Speaker 2: The same can be said for Clay Holmes. Coming off
19:55
Speaker 2: the fractored fibula always some question there, but they got
19:59
Speaker 2: two stuff starters. They got Ryan Zephyr John, a reliever
20:03
Speaker 2: that probably not a lot of casual fans have heard of,
20:06
Speaker 2: but look at his strikeout rates, it's incredible. He should
20:09
Speaker 2: help their bullpen quite a bit. Also got in the
20:13
Speaker 2: trade with Holmes Tyrone Taylor from the Mets, and outfielder
20:17
Speaker 2: who should fit in well. They gave up their well
20:19
Speaker 2: one of their top prospects, Jefferson Rojas, in that deal.
20:22
Speaker 2: Maybe he becomes for the Mets what Peter crow Armstrong
20:25
Speaker 2: became for the Cubs. But the Cubs have reinforced a
20:28
Speaker 2: roster that was already really good but short on the
20:31
Speaker 2: pitching side. Good for them. The San Diego Padres here's
20:36
Speaker 2: a team that played poorly really for most of the
20:39
Speaker 2: first half, only got hot lately and again some weaker competition.
20:44
Speaker 2: But the Padres added two pitchers to rental pitchers, Robbie
20:50
Speaker 2: Ray and Casey Maize, at a time when we are
20:54
Speaker 2: saying again they have no farm system, at a time
20:56
Speaker 2: when they seemingly were in somewhat of a perilous powerless
21:00
Speaker 2: is too strong word, difficult financial state. We don't know
21:03
Speaker 2: if ownership was giving him flexibility or not. The new ownership, well,
21:07
Speaker 2: aj Peller traded some of his best prospects to get
21:10
Speaker 2: Robbie Ray and Casey Mice took on by my estimation,
21:14
Speaker 2: about nine million, a little less maybe, or somewhere in
21:17
Speaker 2: that range. And again the Padres aren't positioned to be
21:21
Speaker 2: a playoff team. Two games out in the wild Card.
21:24
Speaker 2: They've got, hopefully for them Pavetta and Musgrove coming back.
21:28
Speaker 2: You have to admire the fact that they go for it.
21:31
Speaker 2: They keep trying, all right. Speaking of trying so often,
21:35
Speaker 2: we don't see a lot of trying from certain small
21:37
Speaker 2: market teams, but a number of them were quite aggressive
21:41
Speaker 2: by their standard yesterday. I'll talk about the Cleveland Guardians
21:44
Speaker 2: for starters Foster Griffin, Joe Adell, Nathaniel Lowe. Earlier they
21:51
Speaker 2: had added Blake Perkins and Craig Yoho, the reliever from
21:54
Speaker 2: the Brewers. That's a good deadline for the Guardians, and
21:56
Speaker 2: they're chasing the White Sox and the Ale Central and
21:59
Speaker 2: normally again not too aggressive, but they did very well
22:02
Speaker 2: in my estimation. The Twins team that tore down last
22:06
Speaker 2: year was the talk of the deadline last year because
22:09
Speaker 2: they completely blew it up. They added too. They added
22:12
Speaker 2: Jeff Hoffman, one of the best relievers available. Aj Minterer,
22:15
Speaker 2: quality left handed reliever as well as a depth starter.
22:19
Speaker 2: Dean Kramer was not having a good year, but good
22:21
Speaker 2: for the Twins in not trading guys and in trading
22:24
Speaker 2: for other players that can possibly help them. And finally,
22:28
Speaker 2: the Pirates, a team that has been derided by me
22:31
Speaker 2: and others for years for not trying. No, they didn't
22:34
Speaker 2: get the bat that they need, but they've got some
22:36
Speaker 2: hitters coming off the il that should help an offense
22:39
Speaker 2: that has been one of the best in baseball. What
22:41
Speaker 2: they did was reinforce a bullpen that has crushed them
22:44
Speaker 2: all season. Luke Weaver, the best reliever traded at the deadline,
22:48
Speaker 2: is now a Pittsburgh Pirate. They also got Kirby Yates
22:52
Speaker 2: from the Angels. Luke, I'm sorry, Lake Balker from the
22:55
Speaker 2: Miami Marlins. Good job by the Pirates in getting all
22:58
Speaker 2: of that done. And finally, in my winners category, I've
23:03
Speaker 2: got the Los Angeles Angels now. The Los Angeles Angels
23:06
Speaker 2: are a team that we also have mocked for years
23:09
Speaker 2: for their transactional efforts. If you want to call them
23:15
Speaker 2: out at the deadline and in the offseason. They weren't
23:17
Speaker 2: efforts that really were praised at any time, But in
23:21
Speaker 2: this particular case, the Angels finally traded some players acted
23:26
Speaker 2: as sellers. Let's face it, they were sellers, and the
23:29
Speaker 2: only potential free agent of the players they traded was
23:32
Speaker 2: Brent Suter, the reliever who went to Atlanta. They traded
23:36
Speaker 2: these players who were all under club control beyond this season,
23:39
Speaker 2: Jose Soriano, Joe Adell, Ryan Zephyr, John, Chase Silseth, and
23:45
Speaker 2: Logan o'happy. Now, some of those guys have more value
23:47
Speaker 2: than others, Soriana clearly the most. They did hold on
23:51
Speaker 2: to zach Netto and Redebtmers. Evidently they did not get
23:54
Speaker 2: the offers they wanted for those guys. But good for
23:57
Speaker 2: the Angels and finally under their interim GM John mozaylock
24:02
Speaker 2: pointing toward the future while not just tearing up the present.
24:06
Speaker 2: No one expected them to do that. Mozillak didn't want
24:08
Speaker 2: them to rebuild, said they didn't need to rebuild, but
24:12
Speaker 2: they are a team that at least picked its head
24:16
Speaker 2: up and said, Okay, we need change. Mozelak has been
24:19
Speaker 2: pretty adamant about that, so the Angels. I've got them
24:22
Speaker 2: as a winner. Again, not a complete list of winners,
24:25
Speaker 2: and we can talk about every team at length at
24:28
Speaker 2: some other point perhaps, but that's my list of winners.
24:31
Speaker 2: All right. Losers now again, I'm gonna give the caveat
24:36
Speaker 2: These teams might not end up losers. They may end
24:38
Speaker 2: up in the winners category for a variety of reasons.
24:41
Speaker 2: But let's start with the Yankees. The Yankees needed a
24:45
Speaker 2: right handed hitting catch. We've heard about this for months.
24:48
Speaker 2: They needed bullpen help. Cleared out some relievers over the
24:51
Speaker 2: three or four days leading to the deadline to seemingly
24:54
Speaker 2: open up some spaces. Now I'm not so worried about
24:57
Speaker 2: their bullpen because if their rotation is relatively healthy, and
25:01
Speaker 2: Rodin is coming back, and Clark Schmidt's coming back, he
25:04
Speaker 2: could be a reliever. Okay, maybe the rotation won't stay healthy,
25:09
Speaker 2: but okay. They can put Ryan Weathers in the bullpen.
25:12
Speaker 2: They can put Will Warren in the bullpen, one or
25:14
Speaker 2: both if they need to. The bullpen should be okay.
25:18
Speaker 2: I would have liked to see them get one more,
25:19
Speaker 2: but not a lot of good relievers are traded. The
25:22
Speaker 2: real question is the offense without judge, without Bellinger, without Stanton,
25:26
Speaker 2: They acquired Elliott Ramos, really good hitter from the San
25:30
Speaker 2: Francisco Giants. Luis Garcia Junior, who had a memorable debut
25:34
Speaker 2: left handed hitter, didn't seem to be a fit. But
25:36
Speaker 2: these two guys should help the offense. The question is
25:39
Speaker 2: did the Yankees do enough? Did they should they have
25:41
Speaker 2: gotten the catcher when each of their division rivals, well
25:45
Speaker 2: two of their division rivals did, the Red Sox with
25:47
Speaker 2: Adelie Rushman we'll get to that trade, and the Tampa
25:50
Speaker 2: Bay Rays with Liam Hicks. Maybe they should have done
25:53
Speaker 2: something more aggressive along those lines. I don't know that
25:56
Speaker 2: they should have paid the price the Red Sox did
25:58
Speaker 2: for Rushman, but again they didn't address that need. So
26:02
Speaker 2: here they are. There's still a really good team. They're
26:04
Speaker 2: going to be a good team, but you can't put
26:07
Speaker 2: them in the winner category when they didn't address all
26:10
Speaker 2: of what we thought they should and would address. Remember,
26:13
Speaker 2: they wanted Mason Miller if he was available, he wasn't available. Well,
26:17
Speaker 2: they didn't get anyone. There was going to be no
26:19
Speaker 2: one like Mason Miller. But they didn't really reinforce their bullpen.
26:23
Speaker 2: All Right, The Phillies. This is the most interesting team
26:27
Speaker 2: of all in the whole deadline. What they did in
26:32
Speaker 2: acquiring Luisa Rise to play second base is basically changed
26:36
Speaker 2: the entire essence of their team. They really wanted a
26:40
Speaker 2: right handed hitting outfielder. Weren't many available, weren't many traded. Okay,
26:45
Speaker 2: so I admire their creativity here in getting a Rise,
26:49
Speaker 2: a left handed hitting infielder. But to accommodate him and
26:53
Speaker 2: he who doesn't want to move off second base as
26:55
Speaker 2: he gets ready for another round of free agency. To
26:58
Speaker 2: accommodate him, they are doing the following, moving Bryson Stott
27:03
Speaker 2: to third base, moving Alec Bohm to first base, moving
27:06
Speaker 2: Bryce Harper back to the outfield. And that's a lot
27:10
Speaker 2: to do in the middle of a season, positional changes
27:13
Speaker 2: that I do not expect to work out all that well,
27:17
Speaker 2: particularly Bomb at first base. Bryce can play the outfield,
27:20
Speaker 2: even though he hasn't in a while. I expect Bryson
27:22
Speaker 2: Stott will be okay at third, but he's changing positions.
27:26
Speaker 2: This was again a fascinating deadline. I can see this
27:30
Speaker 2: team having some real defensive issues going forward. The Tigers
27:36
Speaker 2: now the Tigers if you trade Trek's Google, You're always
27:39
Speaker 2: going to be considered a loser. You didn't keep the
27:43
Speaker 2: two time American League Sy Young winner, you didn't sign
27:47
Speaker 2: him to an extension. You traded him at a time
27:49
Speaker 2: when you're still in contention. By definition a loan, that
27:53
Speaker 2: is not a great thing. Now, the package they got back,
27:57
Speaker 2: most in the industry considered it to be light. But again,
28:00
Speaker 2: Schooble was a rental. He's coming off an elbow surgery.
28:03
Speaker 2: I know he's pitched extremely well since then, but rentals
28:08
Speaker 2: only get you so much. And I thought they did fine.
28:11
Speaker 2: It wasn't an amazing haul, but they did Okay. I
28:14
Speaker 2: know Scott Harris was taking a lot of questions about
28:17
Speaker 2: this last night. Okay, the pall is fine. And then
28:21
Speaker 2: they trade Casey Mice. Now, after they traded Schooble, I
28:25
Speaker 2: reported that they were going to try to thread the
28:27
Speaker 2: needle and keep competing. If you had kept Mice, that
28:31
Speaker 2: would have made more sense. That idea of doing that.
28:35
Speaker 2: Without him, it becomes really difficult. And I know Jackson
28:37
Speaker 2: job is coming back and that's good, but two and
28:41
Speaker 2: a half games out in the wildcard race, five and
28:43
Speaker 2: a half games back in the division. You keep Casey Miles,
28:46
Speaker 2: maybe you got a shot at this thing. And again,
28:48
Speaker 2: I don't know what the return will turn out to
28:50
Speaker 2: be for myes, and we'll see, but threading the needle
28:54
Speaker 2: becomes that much harder to do, not that it was
28:56
Speaker 2: ever going to be easy anyway. The Brewers, now, this
29:01
Speaker 2: was a team and is a team that routinely is
29:04
Speaker 2: criticized for its lack of activity and routinely proves people
29:09
Speaker 2: like myself wrong when they are criticized for not doing enough.
29:14
Speaker 2: I thought a lot of people thought that, hey, they
29:17
Speaker 2: were the team for schoobl best farm system in the game,
29:20
Speaker 2: layers of prospects. They could have afforded it. I reported
29:24
Speaker 2: that they could have absorbed the money, the nine point
29:26
Speaker 2: four million dollars in salary. It all seemed set up
29:29
Speaker 2: for them. CC Sabathia Part two. Remember Sabathia in two
29:33
Speaker 2: thousand and eight. They didn't do it, Okay, that's their choice.
29:37
Speaker 2: And the players they acquired, Dustin may Jojo Romero from
29:40
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, Antonio Sanzetela from the Rockies. These guys are
29:45
Speaker 2: good pitchers who once they get their share of the
29:48
Speaker 2: Brewers magic dust, I'm sure it will be even better.
29:51
Speaker 2: They'll probably get the Brewers ninety nine percent outcomes out
29:54
Speaker 2: of all these guys. That's what they do. But again,
29:57
Speaker 2: they were in a great spot to get Schooble and
30:00
Speaker 2: didn't do it. All right. Finally, in the loser category,
30:02
Speaker 2: the Braves didn't get a frontline starter. Have been talking
30:06
Speaker 2: about getting a playoff caliber starter since the offseason. Alexanthropolis
30:11
Speaker 2: still hasn't done it, and didn't do it and can't
30:13
Speaker 2: do it anymore because the deadline has passed. Tyler Molly
30:17
Speaker 2: is not that guy. Brent Suter reliever, Okay, Lane Thomas
30:21
Speaker 2: outfielder should help fine, but they needed the frontline starter. Now,
30:26
Speaker 2: this gets to the final part of the first segment.
30:28
Speaker 2: It's the Jacob de Graham situation. Wrote about it today
30:31
Speaker 2: for The Athletic. He was going to be the Braves guy,
30:35
Speaker 2: and the Rangers, as I reported, approached him about waving
30:39
Speaker 2: his not trade clause for the Braves and he said, no,
30:42
Speaker 2: I want to win here. I don't want to go.
30:46
Speaker 2: Braves probably thought he would go. They had met with
30:48
Speaker 2: him in free agency to Gram's from Florida, pretty close
30:51
Speaker 2: to Atlanta, closer than Texas. They had reasons to believe
30:55
Speaker 2: maybe he would want to get out of Texas, which
30:57
Speaker 2: is kind of in the American League Sea of mediocrity,
31:01
Speaker 2: and play for the Atlanta Braves, who are really good.
31:04
Speaker 2: He chose not to. That's a player's right when he
31:06
Speaker 2: has a new trade clause. This reminded me somewhat of
31:09
Speaker 2: Mike Trout, who has always been loyal to the Angels.
31:12
Speaker 2: They paid me. I want to win for them. That's
31:14
Speaker 2: essentially what de gram is saying here. And when that happened,
31:19
Speaker 2: the Braves, well, they could have pivoted, They could have
31:22
Speaker 2: pivoted to somebody. The Padres, with a lesser system, got
31:25
Speaker 2: Robbie Ray and Casey Maize, and the Braves did nothing
31:28
Speaker 2: of the sort. So with all that, that's where we
31:33
Speaker 2: leave it at the deadline. Again, we could talk about
31:35
Speaker 2: this for days and days, and we will talk about
31:37
Speaker 2: it for days and days, but we've got more to
31:40
Speaker 2: talk about with one specific trade. Right after this, the
31:43
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Speaker 2: Time now for the inside Dish, the part of the
32:23
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32:26
Speaker 2: a colmn I've written, I don't know, some combination of both.
32:29
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about the column I posted in
32:31
Speaker 2: The Athletic this morning, and it's about the Rushman trade.
32:37
Speaker 2: And the Rushman trade, to me, was the defining trade
32:40
Speaker 2: of this deadline. It was fascinating Adlie Rushman going to
32:43
Speaker 2: the Boston Red Sox for a number of prospects, and
32:47
Speaker 2: it kind of, as I wrote, demonstrated two teams at
32:51
Speaker 2: opposite extremes. The Orioles, a team that was supposedly going
32:55
Speaker 2: to be a competitive, contending type club by now. They
32:59
Speaker 2: talked to lift off their president of base Operations, Michael
33:02
Speaker 2: Olias did in twenty twenty two. They didn't lift off,
33:07
Speaker 2: they haven't crashed, but they've kind of gone nowhere, and
33:10
Speaker 2: now they've traded the guy they picked number one over
33:14
Speaker 2: Bobby Wick Junior in twenty nineteen. The guy that was
33:18
Speaker 2: really the signature piece of their rebuild, the guy who
33:21
Speaker 2: they talked about keeping forever and yet never signed to
33:25
Speaker 2: a long term extension. That guy is, of course, Rushman.
33:30
Speaker 2: And the reason that this trade for the Orioles was
33:34
Speaker 2: so deflating to so many of their fans is that
33:38
Speaker 2: it kind of acknowledges that the whole thing hasn't gone
33:42
Speaker 2: according to plan. Fans are asked all the time, trust
33:46
Speaker 2: the process, stay with us. Their Oriols fans did through
33:50
Speaker 2: some really hard years. They tanked, they got some big picks,
33:54
Speaker 2: and now they are not starting over, but certainly retooling
33:59
Speaker 2: in a way that is going to require more patience.
34:02
Speaker 2: Now they've got pieces in place going forward, they'll be okay.
34:05
Speaker 2: They've got Alonzo and they've got Basaio signed long term.
34:10
Speaker 2: They've got pieces in their rotation, Kyle Bradish, of course,
34:13
Speaker 2: Shane Ba's long term. They can extend a qualifying offer
34:17
Speaker 2: to Trevor Rodgers. But fans are right to ask, hey, man,
34:23
Speaker 2: what's going on here? Why is michae Elias still running
34:28
Speaker 2: this team in his eighth year when we're not going forward? Now,
34:33
Speaker 2: the trade itself, as I wrote purely in the context
34:38
Speaker 2: of what happened, the exchange of players that, in the
34:41
Speaker 2: estimation of a lot of people in the game, is
34:44
Speaker 2: going to be a big win for the Oriols. They
34:46
Speaker 2: got the better surplus value, and that's the amount in
34:49
Speaker 2: which a player's actual production exceeds his salary. The Orioles
34:54
Speaker 2: crushed it in that regard, assuming these prospects turn out
34:58
Speaker 2: to be something along the lines of what they want
35:00
Speaker 2: them to be. But we're not playing the surplus value
35:02
Speaker 2: sweepstakes here. We're playing to win a World Series. The
35:05
Speaker 2: Oriols did not win a playoff game with Rushman. They
35:09
Speaker 2: did not or have not won a playoff game with
35:11
Speaker 2: Michael Olias running the team he took over in November
35:14
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. They're a disappointment right now, and that trade
35:18
Speaker 2: for them, even though it obviously could turn out to
35:23
Speaker 2: be really well. They got two great pitching prospects, they
35:26
Speaker 2: got an outfield prospect, Carlos Nevas came back as a
35:29
Speaker 2: catcher of the deal. They're gonna be okay with the
35:31
Speaker 2: players they acquired, and they did pretty well overall. The
35:36
Speaker 2: Taylor Ward going Tyler Wells going, Olias said he wasn't
35:40
Speaker 2: dismantling the team. Okay, you didn't dismantle the team, but
35:43
Speaker 2: the team is not nearly as good now as it
35:45
Speaker 2: was before. Where are the Oriols going with this? Well,
35:50
Speaker 2: how much time will Mike Elias get Well? I don't
35:52
Speaker 2: know the answers to these questions, but at the same time,
35:56
Speaker 2: fans are certainly well within their bounds to ask them.
36:00
Speaker 2: Now for the Red Sox, and when I talk about
36:02
Speaker 2: an opposite extreme, here's a club. We know what they
36:06
Speaker 2: were earlier in the season. They fired their manager, the
36:09
Speaker 2: team presidents said they were playing in a way that
36:12
Speaker 2: was embarrassing and unacceptable. And yet then they took off.
36:16
Speaker 2: They've had this amazing run now, incredible, best team in
36:19
Speaker 2: baseball for about six weeks, and they're president of Baseball operations.
36:24
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Chief baseball Officer Craig Breslow was emboldened by
36:27
Speaker 2: all this, and he took a huge swing with this trade.
36:32
Speaker 2: He didn't hug prospects here, and I kind of applaud
36:34
Speaker 2: him for that. I did applaud him for that in
36:36
Speaker 2: the column, because you know what, prospects don't always turn
36:39
Speaker 2: out so great. The Red Sox have one example after
36:41
Speaker 2: another in recent times, including one who was traded yesterday,
36:44
Speaker 2: Marcelo Meyer, that demonstrate sometimes we overhyped these guys, big
36:50
Speaker 2: market prospects especially get overrighted. And from that perspective, I'm
36:56
Speaker 2: good with it. I'm good with making this kind of trade.
36:58
Speaker 2: It's a risk, yeah, but you're trying to win. The
37:01
Speaker 2: problem is the player you got. Rushman is someone who
37:05
Speaker 2: has been on the injured list five times in the
37:09
Speaker 2: last two seasons, three times this year. He's currently on
37:12
Speaker 2: the injured risk with left wrist inflammation, which could be
37:17
Speaker 2: problematic when it comes back because risks are extremely important
37:20
Speaker 2: to hitters. So that's one question here. Okay, if you
37:24
Speaker 2: sign him to a long term extension, and that's fine,
37:28
Speaker 2: you're going to be good with him. But should you
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Speaker 2: sign him to a long term extension. He's a guy
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Speaker 2: who is has been an inconsistent performer offensively, though it's
37:39
Speaker 2: been good this year, and then you have the problem.
37:42
Speaker 2: This gets back to the extension of next season, which
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Speaker 2: might not be played to its completion, and after that,
37:48
Speaker 2: Adlie Rushman is a free agent. Again. An extension would
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Speaker 2: solve that particular issue, but is this a player you
37:55
Speaker 2: want to give an extension to And is this a
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Speaker 2: player coming into an entirely new stay a staff that
38:01
Speaker 2: ranks third in the America, actually third in the major
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Speaker 2: leagues in era. That's a little bit of a risk too.
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Speaker 2: So did the Red Sox overplay their hands here? It
38:10
Speaker 2: is quite possible, also quite possible that Adlei Rushman becomes
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Speaker 2: a player for them who helps elevate them further and
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Speaker 2: makes them into a team that is an actual force
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Speaker 2: in the postseason. If all that happens, Craig Breslow is
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Speaker 2: gonna look really good for making this move. But it
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Speaker 2: is a gamble. It is the kind of gamble most
38:31
Speaker 2: heads of baseball operations do not take. It is the
38:33
Speaker 2: kind of gamble that within the industry often gets looked
38:36
Speaker 2: on in a way that is critical. And it's a
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Speaker 2: gamble that really could go either way. So Breslow wasn't
38:45
Speaker 2: playing the surplus value game here. He acknowledged that, and
38:48
Speaker 2: in a way I do applaud him for that. At
38:50
Speaker 2: the same time, this one is going to be one
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Speaker 2: that we'll be watching closely for quite some time. All Right,
38:58
Speaker 2: We're gonna be right back with Grill and Ken. But
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Speaker 2: the Guardians White Sox series this weekend. Now this weekend
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Speaker 2: with my man Aj Prizinski there in the booth. Of course,
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Speaker 2: he's the king of foul Territory. We are going to
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Speaker 2: have a lot of fun. We're going to have a
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Speaker 2: lot of fun because the White Sox are not only
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Speaker 2: playing the Guardians, the team that is just three games
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Speaker 2: back in the Ale Central, three games behind the surprising
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Speaker 2: Chicago White Sox, but they are also retiring Ozzi Gian's
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Speaker 2: number thirteen. Oziyan, of course, the manager who led them
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Speaker 2: to the last World Series, and AJ, from what I understand,
39:37
Speaker 2: the always locacious Aj Prizentski is going to be giving
39:40
Speaker 2: some kind of speech, So I look forward to hearing that.
39:44
Speaker 2: I look forward to maybe getting on the broadcast of
39:46
Speaker 2: AJ can stopped talking for five minutes. And I look
39:48
Speaker 2: forward really to seeing the White Sox for the first
39:51
Speaker 2: time on Fox this season, at least for my crew,
39:54
Speaker 2: and seeing them play the Guardians, who have improved their
39:57
Speaker 2: team as the White Sox have with Castillo co over
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Speaker 2: with some of the other things that they did. It's
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40:39
Speaker 2: Now let's go to Grilling Can. All right, let's take
40:49
Speaker 2: the first question here. See what we got on Grilling
40:52
Speaker 2: Can today. I'm not sure what's coming at me, so
40:54
Speaker 2: we'll see if there's any big surprises. All right, we'll
40:57
Speaker 2: teeing it up here. It is laser show. But I
41:01
Speaker 2: can't even pronounce this. Whatever. Does it make sense to
41:04
Speaker 2: have games on deadline day? Actually, this has been a
41:07
Speaker 2: concern of Baseball. It's one reason they don't do it
41:09
Speaker 2: on a day with a lot of day games. But
41:12
Speaker 2: it does make sense to have games at night once
41:15
Speaker 2: the deadline has passed. There's no problem with that. Baseball's
41:18
Speaker 2: concern with afternoon games on deadline day is players pulled
41:22
Speaker 2: off the field, the whole spectacle that sometimes will take
41:26
Speaker 2: place in that circumstance. But it's pretty cool actually to
41:29
Speaker 2: see a guy like Luis Garcia Junior, who has actually
41:32
Speaker 2: acquired the day before, come in with the Yankees last
41:35
Speaker 2: night and hit the big homer. And obviously that's not
41:38
Speaker 2: going to happen very often on a player who is
41:41
Speaker 2: traded that day can't get to the park soon enough.
41:43
Speaker 2: But yeah, it makes sense to have games on deadline day,
41:47
Speaker 2: No problem with that, all right? Next question, what do
41:49
Speaker 2: we got? Next question is if things go well for
41:55
Speaker 2: Clayholmes in Chicago the next couple of months, do you
41:58
Speaker 2: think an extension could be a remote possibility before the lockout?
42:02
Speaker 2: Given that he's not repped by Bores. The reference there
42:05
Speaker 2: is to Scott Boris, the agent whose clients generally do
42:08
Speaker 2: not sign extensions and go free agent Derek Scrubel will
42:11
Speaker 2: of course be won. Yes, I'm sure Clay Holmes will
42:14
Speaker 2: be open to an extension. He has a player option
42:17
Speaker 2: that he can likely decline or will decline. I'm almost
42:21
Speaker 2: certain as long as he performs well here, stays healthy,
42:24
Speaker 2: and I am sure he'd be open to an extension
42:27
Speaker 2: with the Cubs. Players like playing for the Chicago Cubs,
42:30
Speaker 2: and it can be a really good situation for Holmes
42:33
Speaker 2: if indeed it works out. So yeah, I think that
42:36
Speaker 2: is part of the problem or part of the equation here.
42:38
Speaker 2: It's not part of the problem. It's certainly possible that, yes,
42:42
Speaker 2: the Cubs could re sign Clay Holmes. So with that,
42:46
Speaker 2: I want to thank everyone for watching, for listening, for
42:48
Speaker 2: reading The Athletic the last few days. Foul Territory coming
42:52
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42:55
Speaker 2: the locacious H. J. Prasinski as well as Scott Braun.
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Speaker 2: Guests include Jimbo, Susan Sluster, and my colleague from the Athletic,
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Speaker 2: Jesus Cano. We're back Thursday at twelve thirty Eastern. Talk
43:07
Speaker 2: to you then. Have a great week everyone, and try
43:09
Speaker 2: to digest all that happened on deadline day.