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The Late Debate | 31 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show. I'm Danika DiGiorgio. Tonight,
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  Speaker 2: joined by Kayla Bond and fan favourite and broadcaster Lucy Zelich,
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  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, on the couch.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know if I'm a fan favourite, but
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  Speaker 3: I am so happy.
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  Speaker 2: To be here.
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  Speaker 1: You're my favourite.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, well, then you're my favourite too.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you can't say that in front of Danika, though,
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  Speaker 3: your regular host and co-host.
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  Speaker 1: No, well, look... You know, in the context of tonight,
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  Speaker 1: you're my favourite. And Danika will... God bless you. She'll
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  Speaker 1: cop that. She'll be all right.
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  Speaker 2: It's all right. We'll have words after this.
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  Speaker 4: You normally do.
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  Speaker 2: We normally do, actually.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 1: But I've got to put up with Danika every night,
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  Speaker 1: you know. It's nice to have you in something a little.
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  Speaker 4: Different, Lucy.
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  Speaker 2: Very pleasant. We're very excited to have you on the show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be here. And I'm sure the
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  Speaker 2: viewers would be very excited as well.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they will.
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  Speaker 2: Now, tell us about your socks. We're going to have
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  Speaker 2: to show you Caleb's socks tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look. I know after having just denigrated Danika,
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  Speaker 1: her parents will be watching. They bought me these socks
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  Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, right? I love them. And they've
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  Speaker 1: got a cat on them and it says, home is
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  Speaker 1: where the meow is.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't that sweet? You're not a cat person, though, are you?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm not a cat person.
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  Speaker 1: No. No, but they know that I am.
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  Speaker 2: But they knew that Caleb was. See, you come on air,
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  Speaker 2: you bag me out, and my mum and dad were
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  Speaker 2: generous enough to buy you something. Mum, dad, never again.
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  Speaker 1: They did a good job. They did a good job
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  Speaker 1: of raising you, didn't they?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, they sure did.
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  Speaker 2: We're full of compliments for each other tonight. And you
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  Speaker 2: know what? We're full of compliments for you at home too,
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  Speaker 2: so we're going to get started. Coming up on the
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: show tonight, if you can't fix crime, at least you
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: can fix potholes. Victoria's prisoners will be put to work
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: on road maintenance as part of Labor's plan to fix potholes.
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  Speaker 2: Australia's wokest wag is boycotting AFL's Night of Nights, claiming
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  Speaker 2: the event doesn't align with her values. In the wake
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  Speaker 2: of the Sydney Swans scandal, once again, all men are
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  Speaker 2: tarnished with the bad brush by the left. And fashion
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  Speaker 2: or faux pas? Pink trotter heels are dividing the internet. Please,
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  Speaker 2: dear God, no. But first tonight, if you're trying to
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  Speaker 2: get hired, is roasting the boss in your job application
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  Speaker 2: really the best move? Well, it worked for so-called digital
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  Speaker 2: nomad Jacob Blatch, who ditched a polite resume for an
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  Speaker 2: epic tirade strewn with insults. Now, he applied for a
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  Speaker 2: job at Omni Digital Marketing after a job ad was
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  Speaker 2: posted to Seek. In what might be the world's most
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  Speaker 2: insulting yet successful job application ever, he wrote to company
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  Speaker 2: boss Alexander Bruce saying, Hi, Alex. Let's skip the theatre.
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  Speaker 2: Your job ad on Seek promised a career-launching opportunity, asked
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  Speaker 2: for a 60-second voice note and then gave zero way
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  Speaker 2: to send it. No email, no WhatsApp, nothing. That is
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  Speaker 2: like telling someone to apply for a mortgage and then
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  Speaker 2: hiding the application under a yoga mat. If this was
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  Speaker 2: your test of initiative, congratulations, I passed before most candidates
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  Speaker 2: finished aligning their chakras. I'm going to give him that line.
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  Speaker 2: I have to. And then... He took a swipe at
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  Speaker 2: Omni's website. He says the user experience screams weekend project
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  Speaker 2: with ambition. That page feels like a $ 997 upsell webinar
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  Speaker 2: for crypto secrets with Alex. And it gets worse. He
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  Speaker 2: then went on to attack the boss. Former banker, compliance guy,
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  Speaker 2: KYC warrior, overnight marketing visionary, LinkedIn paints the picture of
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  Speaker 2: a man who knows risk assessment better than lead gen.
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  Speaker 2: And that's cool respect. You have had a fantastic career
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  Speaker 2: by all accounts. But it also explains why your hiring
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  Speaker 2: processes feel like a credit check disguised as a funnel.
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  Speaker 2: And it seems he didn't apply for the job. He
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  Speaker 2: audited the company. But bizarrely, it worked. He got the
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  Speaker 2: job with the Perth-based company. But get this, in a
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  Speaker 2: strange twist, months later, Jacob Blatch took the company to
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  Speaker 2: the Fair Work Commission after he was actually sacked because
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  Speaker 2: of his productivity levels. What a disaster. And the Fair
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  Speaker 2: Work Commission ruled in favour of Omni. So after all
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  Speaker 2: that critiquing, but seriously, Whatever happened, Caleb, to just sending
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  Speaker 2: a normal resume?
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  Speaker 1: You know what? I actually don't mind the way this
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  Speaker 1: guy's going to... Now, look, you know, he came a
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  Speaker 1: cropper later on, but that's sort of his own fault
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  Speaker 1: as to how he may or may not have behaved
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  Speaker 1: after getting the job. But you know what? I like
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  Speaker 1: a straight talker.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hm.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think we have enough straight talking in
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  Speaker 1: the world anymore. I think we pussyfoot around things too much.
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  Speaker 1: And if I were a boss... And someone came to
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  Speaker 1: me and basically said, this is exactly how I can
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  Speaker 1: make things better for your company. This is what you're
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  Speaker 1: doing wrong. This is how I propose to fix it.
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  Speaker 1: I'd actually sit up and pay attention and go, actually,
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  Speaker 1: this is the kind of guy that I might want
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  Speaker 1: in my company. I like the cut of his jib
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  Speaker 1: because he's cut straight to the point. He's explained what
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  Speaker 1: he wants to do, what he thinks is wrong. and
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  Speaker 1: he's got an idea about what to do about it.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly find that more impressive, regardless of how direct
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  Speaker 1: it might be, than someone who comes in and says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, oh, you know, I just really think I
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  Speaker 1: would be a good fit at your company and you
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  Speaker 1: have good corporate culture. I mean, who gives a toss
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  Speaker 1: about all that stuff? What can you actually do? And
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  Speaker 1: someone who's thinking and is a straight talker and direct
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  Speaker 1: about what they want to do, I would actually be
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  Speaker 1: inclined on that pitch to hire that guy.
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  Speaker 4: But do you know what's really interesting about it too?
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  Speaker 3: I like that it's unique because, as Caleb aptly put
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  Speaker 3: it and rightly put it there, so many people are
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  Speaker 3: in the business of just arse-kissing when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: their resumes, right? There's nothing unique about it. It's all
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  Speaker 3: just straight-A, 1A, very professional, doing everything that they can,
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  Speaker 3: saying all the right things, ticking all the right boxes
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  Speaker 3: just to get the job.
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  Speaker 4: In the first instance.
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  Speaker 3: But if you're in a situation where you're a company
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  Speaker 3: and you're looking to not just grow your staff but
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  Speaker 3: to improve your business, which most of them should be,
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  Speaker 3: I would kind of be a little bit taken aback
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  Speaker 3: but also respect the fact that someone has taken the
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  Speaker 3: time to invest a bit of research into the company,
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  Speaker 3: identify what it's about.
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  Speaker 4: What it's trying to achieve and where it's falling short.
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  Speaker 3: I say A-plus for uniqueness and for being a little
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  Speaker 3: bit different, but then we've got to give him an
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  Speaker 3: F for ending up in a situation where he's taken
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  Speaker 3: to the Fair Work Commission because of his lack of productivity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is the thing. I think you can...
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  Speaker 2: You know a lot about a person from their resume.
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  Speaker 2: If it's riddled with spelling mistakes, for example, or the
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  Speaker 2: pitch just doesn't sound right, you know pretty early on
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  Speaker 2: if they're going to be the right fit for your company, right?
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  Speaker 2: This guy ended up being an absolute failure. And to
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  Speaker 2: be honest, I'm not at all surprised. When you've put
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  Speaker 2: together a company pitch like that in a resume, critiquing
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  Speaker 2: the boss, critiquing its website, critiquing the job ad itself,
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  Speaker 2: I actually think it's quite rude. Now, I'm all for
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  Speaker 2: creative ways to put yourself forward for jobs, but only if...
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  Speaker 2: The company asks you for feedback. So I've seen job
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  Speaker 2: ads before where the company has said put together a
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  Speaker 2: pitch of how you would improve X, Y and Z
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  Speaker 2: about our company and then you could go into giving
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  Speaker 2: them feedback because that's basically what they're asking for. But
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  Speaker 2: there are other creative ways. I saw there was a
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  Speaker 2: hair care brand that I saw the other day. They're
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  Speaker 2: advertising online for a social media manager and they're a
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  Speaker 2: very growing, developing brand and doing very well on, say, TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: And somebody sent them a cake saying, hire me. Smart.
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  Speaker 2: It makes you stand out. I think standing out is good.
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  Speaker 4: But that's a bit of arse kissing, isn't it, Danika?
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  Speaker 2: But this is.
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  Speaker 1: He's a cake.
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  Speaker 4: He's a cake.
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  Speaker 2: Hire me. But this is just rude and obnoxious.
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  Speaker 4: But it clearly got him hired.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't do very well.
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  Speaker 4: It got him hired.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we can talk about his performance thereafter, but
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  Speaker 3: what was on the original job application and what he did,
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  Speaker 3: he circumvented it. I like that he said that you
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  Speaker 3: actually asked for a 60-second voice note.
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  Speaker 4: And then gave zero way to send it. So he
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  Speaker 4: went straight to the source.
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  Speaker 2: But is that necessary?
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  Speaker 3: Well, to get the job it is, clearly, because how
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  Speaker 3: were they accepting applications otherwise?
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  Speaker 1: The proof of the pudding is in the eating. They
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  Speaker 1: hired him. It worked, right?
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  Speaker 2: But that's a big risk to take.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, it's a big risk, but sometimes you've got to
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  Speaker 1: take risks in the world, right?
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  Speaker 4: But why is the risk to hire him based on that, though?
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  Speaker 2: Because to me, it sounds like... he is going to
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  Speaker 2: take that sort of attitude into the company. And to me,
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  Speaker 2: I would go, does that guy take feedback well? That
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  Speaker 2: would be my first thought. Is he going to take
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  Speaker 2: feedback well? Is he moldable? Is he going to be able...
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  Speaker 2: Am I, as a boss, going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: develop him and build him up into the way that
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  Speaker 2: I want him to be able to service the company?
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  Speaker 2: Or is he going to be a complete pain in
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  Speaker 2: my backside?
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  Speaker 3: Or couldn't you ask the same question of the boss, right?
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  Speaker 3: Just because you're the boss and the owner of the company,
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  Speaker 3: you also have to be open to criticisms, critique and
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  Speaker 3: to feeling like that your staff feel empowered and emboldened
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  Speaker 3: to be able to point out where you're going wrong.
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  Speaker 4: To try and help them grow the business. You're not
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  Speaker 4: above feedback.
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  Speaker 2: Even though you're the boss. No, I agree. If you're
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  Speaker 2: a boss that's not above feedback, then I don't think
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  Speaker 2: you should be a manager at all, a boss, because
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  Speaker 2: you should be learning all the time. But I just
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  Speaker 2: think there's no need to be rude. There are ways
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  Speaker 2: to stand out, but surely not.
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  Speaker 1: You know what? Nothing ventured, nothing gained. He didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the job before and he may not have had the
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  Speaker 1: job after. The fact is he did get the job.
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  Speaker 1: The pitch worked. And you know what? If that came
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  Speaker 1: across my desk... I would say I want an interview
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  Speaker 1: with that guy because it makes me interested. I'm curious.
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  Speaker 1: I go, geez, this guy's thinking about things. I'll go
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  Speaker 1: and interview him and see if he might be a
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  Speaker 1: candidate for the job because he did something to stand out.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of doing things to stand out down in the
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  Speaker 1: great state of South Australia, my hometown, of course, of Adelaide,
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  Speaker 1: Salisbury Council has got themselves involved into a bit of controversy,
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  Speaker 1: and they've given money, $ 12, 000, to a mob called Life
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  Speaker 1: Community Adelaide. Now, it's a church-affiliated group. They do outreach work,
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  Speaker 1: charity work with homeless people. So they've given a $ 12, 000
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  Speaker 1: grant to this Life Community Adelaide to do up her
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  Speaker 1: hampers for Christmas, give out food and this sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: But they have a stipulation. as part of this $ 12, 000 grant,
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  Speaker 1: that on the hamper, when it goes out on the box,
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  Speaker 1: it has to have the council's logo on it because
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  Speaker 1: the council says, well, you know... we're paying for it.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to give us a bit of quid pro
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  Speaker 1: quo here. And a Salisbury Council spokeswoman was quoted as
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  Speaker 1: saying that it was in recognition of council's significant financial
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  Speaker 1: contribution to the project. All City of Salisbury grant recipients agreed.
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  Speaker 1: have an obligation to acknowledge the source of the funding
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  Speaker 1: in their promotional materials. This can apply to hampers. The
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  Speaker 1: charity could opt to decline the grant or present further
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  Speaker 1: information to Council outlining why it could not meet this condition. Now,
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  Speaker 1: some have said, you know, it's going a bit far,
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  Speaker 1: that the Council is, you know, just doing a good
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  Speaker 1: deed for the community. Why do they need to be
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  Speaker 1: recognised in doing so? But, you know, to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: they did hand over the $ 12, 000 grant I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's that big of a deal to put the council's
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  Speaker 1: logo on the box, is it? They've done something good
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  Speaker 1: for the community, paid $ 12, 000 to give out food to
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  Speaker 1: homeless people over Christmas time, so what if they get
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  Speaker 1: a bit of recognition for it? And I'm normally the
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  Speaker 1: first to criticise councils. I think this is a bit
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  Speaker 1: too much, really.
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  Speaker 3: So what if they get a bit of recognition for it?
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  Speaker 3: It's not them that should be getting the recognition for it.
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  Speaker 3: It should be the ratepayers.
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  Speaker 4: Do you not really got my nose out of joint?
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  Speaker 3: The council spokeswoman, to take it back to what you said,
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  Speaker 3: in recognition of the council's significant financial contribution to the project.
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  Speaker 4: It's $ 12, 000 for goodness sake.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're going to be genuinely honest about it, say,
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  Speaker 3: slap on a sticker that says paid for by the
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  Speaker 3: City of Salisbury ratepayers. Do you know what they made
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  Speaker 3: in the 2025-26 financial year, right, in terms of what
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  Speaker 3: their budget was, the allocation? $ 236 million. And now you're
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  Speaker 3: going to bang a drum about how this is a
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  Speaker 3: significant contribution to our homeless people. And, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: better slap on a sticker that says that we're behind
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  Speaker 3: it No, no, the ratepayers are behind it. It just
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  Speaker 3: smacks of like, look at me, look at us, look
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  Speaker 3: at what we're doing for the local community.
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  Speaker 4: So you damn well should be.
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  Speaker 3: It's giving Clover Moore on Santa's sleigh at Christmastime.
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  Speaker 1: Vibes, right?
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  Speaker 4: Look at me. I'm the celebrity. I'm the centre of
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  Speaker 4: attention here. No, you're not. You're actually in the business
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  Speaker 4: of serving your local constituents. You are not the story.
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  Speaker 4: The ratepayers are in this, quite frankly.
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  Speaker 2: But isn't this just like what they do when they
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  Speaker 2: do sponsorship deals, for example?
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  Speaker 3: But hang on a minute, we're not talking about a
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  Speaker 3: gambling company or a hair care brand that deserves the advertisement.
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  Speaker 4: We're talking about a local council that should be helping
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  Speaker 4: the homeless and people who are struggling.
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  Speaker 2: But if you are struggling, do you really care where
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  Speaker 2: the hamper has come from? Don't you just say, thank
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  Speaker 2: you so much for the hamper, I'm so desperate to
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: be in need? Look, I personally don't have a problem with,
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  Speaker 2: the council's name on this hamper either. In the end,
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  Speaker 2: I think that if you are in need, you're just
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  Speaker 2: willing to take the hamper and run.
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  Speaker 4: So if I do a good gesture, do I need
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  Speaker 4: to beat a drum about it? Do I need to now,
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  Speaker 4: when I come over to your house with a bottle
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  Speaker 4: of vino.
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  Speaker 3: Slap a sticker on it and make sure you remember
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  Speaker 3: I brought you that bottle of vino.
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  Speaker 2: As long as it's got your face on it, Lucy,
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  Speaker 2: I want a memento of your time over at my house.
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  Speaker 4: But the good gesture, right?
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  Speaker 3: The good gesture should just be this is the gesture
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  Speaker 3: for you. And if you are that genuine about it,
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  Speaker 3: like you're saying that they're not going to care.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like with hampers, you do put your own...
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  Speaker 2: You know, the companies do advertise on the box or
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  Speaker 2: they promote themselves. They put little business cards in.
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  Speaker 3: But if the people receiving them aren't going to care,
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  Speaker 3: then why should the council care?
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  Speaker 2: Look, that's a fair point. But I just think, come on,
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  Speaker 2: it's Christmas. Who cares that they've slapped on the sticker,
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: slapped on their donation? I just think, take it.
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  Speaker 1: I think there is also an element, and again, a
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  Speaker 1: risk of being seen to defend councils, which is not
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  Speaker 1: something I do frequently.
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  Speaker 4: Shame on you!
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know.
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  Speaker 1: But I think there's also an element of people often
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  Speaker 1: wonder what is done with their rates. And so by
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  Speaker 1: putting the council's logo on the box, it at least
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  Speaker 1: demonstrates something that the council is doing. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it is saying to the community, we have given money
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  Speaker 1: to this project, we've given money to this charity, and
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  Speaker 1: that is publicly available information. And so, you know, some
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: people might go, well, why are you spending the 12
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  Speaker 1: grand on that? Some people might go, well, I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: my council is spending 12 grand on that. But it
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  Speaker 1: is at least giving some sort of public awareness to
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: the fact that the council has spent 12 grand. So
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  Speaker 1: give the press release.
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  Speaker 4: Can't you do both? Can't you say the council has
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  Speaker 4: made this decision?
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  Speaker 3: Get your local mayor to stand up there in the
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  Speaker 3: city of Salisbury and say the council has made this
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  Speaker 3: decision to award $ 12, 000 to those who need it this
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  Speaker 3: Christmas via hampers.
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  Speaker 4: And then, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: As a token of good faith and to thank our
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: ratepayers for everything that they do, by the way, they
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: jacked up rates last year by 4.2%. We're going to
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: put on a sticker and say that this is from
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: the community of Salisbury for our homeless and for.
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: Those in need.
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: What a nice gesture of goodwill and a good way
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: to get into everyone's good graces in the local community
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: of Salisbury.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: I don't mind that either. It's rare that I defend
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: councils as well on this show, but I've got to say,
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: I just think in the spirit of Christmas, maybe we
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: can overlook this one for the council.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: I'm going to need a stiff drink tonight when I
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: get home. We cope with the fact that I've been
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: defending a council. I'm coming out in a sweat here.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: I wonder why you've got hives on your face.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know. I've had texts in the last couple
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: of weeks, stuff I've said about other councils from mayors
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: and CEOs and stuff. and saying, I can't believe you
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: defended us last night. I know, I know. Maybe something's
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: going wrong with you.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Are you ill? Are you with us?
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, look, who knows? The viewer, do you think I'm ill?
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Let me know. Send me an email if you think
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: I'm ill. And if you want to donate money to
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: me to go and seek medical attention... Maybe you need
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: a hand for Caleb?
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: If you want to donate money so I can go
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: home and have a whiskey tonight, that might be a... Yeah.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: I want to move on to the next story because
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: it appears as.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Though the fallout from the Swans scandal is now apparently
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: being extended to this year's Brownlow Medal Awards, which is
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: set to take place, I believe it's the 21st of September, actually,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: which is coming up in a few weeks' time. But
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: it's managed to generate discussion because Dee Salmon, if you're
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: not familiar with her, she's the partner of the Collingwood captain,
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Darcy Moore. And she took to her sub stack, you'll
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: be very intrigued to find out some of the other
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: stories that she has posted in this sub stack, but
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: it goes by the name of the No Chill Girl
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: sub stack. And she made a very bold declaration that no,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: she's not going to be going this year. And she posted,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: and I quote, I've spent the past few weeks thinking
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: about the important conversations we're having about women and the
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: culture surrounding AFL. And I've realised I can't keep encouraging
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: other people to interrogate the systems they participate in, without
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: being willing to interrogate them myself. Of course, there are
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: people within the sport who I love and respect, my
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: partner being one of them, but that doesn't mean the
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: entire culture is above criticism. I think when it comes
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: to the AFL's attitude towards women and gender-based.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Violence, there needs to be some serious change.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: I found this to be deeply fascinating because for one,
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: I took issue with her line, but that doesn't mean
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: the entire.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: Culture is above criticism.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: It kind of sounds like you are tarnishing the entire organisation,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: the AFL, the Brownlow and every single player that is
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: a good upstanding citizen.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: And by the way, we haven't had any of these.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Allegations tested as yet with respect to the five players
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: that have been sanctioned by the Swans. But it sounds
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: like you're tarnishing everyone with the same brush and saying
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: that the entire AFL culture deserves to be criticised, in
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: spite of your assertions that the entire culture is above criticism.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: And it also sounds.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Like, Dee, with all due respect, that you sound like
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: you know exactly what happened on that night in the
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Pullman suite. Again, those allegations haven't been tested yet. We
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: haven't seen any formal charges made. And, by the way,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: there's been a lot of misinformation that has put the
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Swans in a situation where they've also had to make
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: a declaration that they're looking to.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Potentially explore legal options.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Because of said disinformation that's flying around.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: So I just find.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: It so interesting that we're in a situation now where
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: this is being used as a platform to try and
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: now not just tarnish all men, But to throw this
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: situation into the spotlight and to use it as an
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: opportunity then to make it about yourself.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: But what is she talking about? So she says, someone
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: who believes in leading with your values, I just don't
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: feel comfortable being at an event that doesn't align with mine. Well,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: what values of the brown low middle is she talking about?
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, the brown low middle... is the best and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: fairest of the league, the best-performing player on the football field.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what part of that value she might
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: have an issue with. The AFL is not inviting those
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: five Swans players, so they've been excluded from attending the evening.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: What more is the AFL meant to do? I mean,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: perhaps she's suggesting... They're still up for the brown low.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Perhaps she's suggesting that they should be ineligible for the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: brown low, but if you go down that road, then
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you're saying that, you know, you can be excluded from
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the league's best and fairest without having been charged with anything...
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: or have any misconduct proven by the league, because they've
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: been suspended by their club, but there has not yet
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: been anything from the AFL, because the AFL has rightly
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: said they will wait for the conclusion of any criminal
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: investigations and then they will take their own action if
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and when they need to. So I think the AFL...
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: largely has handled this well. I think they should have
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: drug tested the players myself. I agree. But I think,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: by and large, they have handled this as well as
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: they could.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: The Swans have handled it as well as they could.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: What more could they have done?
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Well, the Swans were on the front foot early. They came...
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: out very, very quickly and took action. I mean, what
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: more does this Dee Salmon expect of the club?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Well, she's inserting herself into the story.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: She's made it all about herself.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: You know, I haven't made this decision thinking my absence
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: will be noticed. So why did you go and write
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: about it on Substack? Because you wanted people to know
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: that you weren't going to be there because you were
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: taking some stand for women's rights or something. I just...
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the point really is, and it
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: besmirches the rest of the AFL.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Are there any punters at home going, gee, whatever happened
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: to Dee Salmon? Why isn't she here tonight? I was
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: really expecting to see Dee on the red carpet.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Well, no, they're busy reading her sub stack.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I was going to say, some of
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: her sub stack, I mean, this is absolute prime reading,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. If you're looking for some late-night reading,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I highly suggest you take a scroll through her sub stack.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Here's some of the articles. Is the honeymoon phase an
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: excuse for men to stop putting in effort... Have we
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: normalised men lowering their effort in relationships? Then there's this one.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Please stop posting about how great your boyfriend is. And
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: here's the real clanger. Can a heterosexual relationship ever truly
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: be equal?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: That's some really light reading if you're keen.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: This question is my sleep paralysis demon. So she wakes
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: up in a cold sweat in the middle of the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: night thinking, can heterosexual relationships be truly equal?
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, seriously.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Come on. Get a life.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: You know what bothers me the most?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: She's in one.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I still, I still, I just can't believe this stuff's
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: real sometimes.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Well, for me, what bothers me the most is the
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: left are out there claiming that this swan saga is
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: some big national crisis, that it's a men crisis, a
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: man crisis. And every single time something happens in this
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: country involving a man or involving groups of men, suddenly
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: these women come out of the woodwork and suddenly, whoa,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: every single man is bad and it's a national crisis
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and something's going to be stopped, something's going to be stopped.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: And we hear it every single time there is a
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: case of, say, domestic violence. Now, I'm not denying that
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: there are bad men out there, but I don't think
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: that we can say, oh, Every single man in this
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: country is a threat to women just because there have
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: been some alleged incidents. And like you said, Lucy, we
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: still don't know what has allegedly occurred.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Everyone's acting like they do, Danika.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: They're experts. They were flies on the wall that night
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: at the Pullman Hotel, apparently, including Dee. You know, she
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: apparently knows everything that was going on there. But I
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: just think that there are some really great men and
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: there are honestly some terrific AFL footballers within the league
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: and a lot of them do so much good work.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: You know, again, I'm not saying that every single footballer
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: is an angel. I'm not saying that. But there are
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: some really good ones. And this is AFL's night of nights.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: It is the best and fairest when you're celebrating the
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: best on field for the year. Stop making it about
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: yourself and get on with it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at Jordan Dawson last week, you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: at the All-Australian, the Crows captain, you know, talking about
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: mental health. And, of course, his brother committed suicide earlier
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: this year. And and gave an excellent speech.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Great speech.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: on men's mental health. I mean, that is exactly what
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: we need more of, and I think proof of the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: fact that there is a great culture, by and large.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: You can't, on allegations that are yet to lead to
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: any criminal charges... And we're two weeks down the line now,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: by the way, from this incident. And to the best
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of our knowledge now, the players have even been questioned
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: by police yet. But it just besmirches the rest of
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the league and the men involved in the league.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: But her own boyfriend too, right?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I know. He's the captain of Collingwood. So is
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: he part of the culture or not?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: And he's going to get asked on the red carpet
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: that night, your girlfriend has written about this, it's going
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: to hijack the entire night for Collingwood as well.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Great point.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: It's true. It is just absolutely ridiculous. Well, let's go
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: to Victoria now because if you can't fix crime in
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: that state, don't worry, you can fix potholes with the
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: help of prisoners. Now, the Premier over there, Ben Carroll,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: has come up with a plan. He says that if
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: he is elected come November, then he will work with
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Corrections Victoria to send prisoners a number of minimum security
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: prisoners out on the road to help fix the road
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: maintenance problem. So that includes basic duties such as mowing lawns,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: controlling weeds, removing graffiti and picking up rubbish. While those
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: with a level of skill, like a trade, then they
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: would be able to go and fix the potholes in Victoria.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And he's quite buoyed by this announcement.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: We already have prisoners who are on community corrections orders
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: helping on road maintenance on our weeds and our verges and.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Our side pathways.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: What we will do now is get them to also
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: work with our crews to make sure we've got more
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: of the potholing, more of the asphalting done to the standard.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Now, look, I don't have a problem with this. I
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: say fantastic. Go on, get them out there, get them
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: doing some work, make them busy, help them work for
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the community. So I don't absolutely have a problem with this.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: And also I think it's good for prisoners because it
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: may help in that rehabilitation as well, giving them some
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: sort of purpose or an activity to do. I think
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: that that's absolutely fine. But is this not an admission
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: of failure that the government has buggered up the roads
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: to begin with? There are 500,000 potholes in Victoria, 500,000.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And we have seen the crisis on the roads. We've
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: even seen... Jess Wilson, the Liberal leader, she's been out
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: there trying to fix them herself in recent months. So, yeah,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: this is a problem. It's an issue in regional Victoria.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: But because he's buggered this up, he now has to
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: increase the budget to fix the roads by $ 352 million
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: to try and fix this. So I'm all for the
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: prisoners getting out there. That's fine. But this is an
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: absolute admission of failure to me.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Well, of course, I mean, look, you only have to
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: drive on the roads in Victoria to know the state
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: they're in. I mean, when I was down there for
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the races at Warrnambool earlier in the year, and, you know,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: once you start getting towards Warrnambool on the highway, it
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: is just shocking, absolutely shocking. Camper down onwards, just terrible,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: full of potholes everywhere. And this has been a successive problem,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you know, Andrews and then Allen and At least Mr
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Carroll's attempting to do something about it. Integrity is no
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: longer an option, Caleb.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It's all rather late, though. I mean, the people I know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: multiple people who've had their tyres blown and wheels dented
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and whatever, driving through potholes. I think I mentioned this
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. A mate of mine drove
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: through a pothole somewhere outside the Pakenham Bypass, I think,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and it cost him $ 4, 000 to replace his wheel. Wow.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: And there's some scheme where you can go and, like,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: apply for the money for the damage and, you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: hardly anyone actually gets any money out of them. Something
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: has to be done about it. And if it means
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: getting prisoners out there, then let's just do it fast, please.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Round up every prisoner in the state and have them
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: out there filling up the potholes. It's about bloody time.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: I agree. Get the thugs out there to do some
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: work and fix those potholes. And not only is that
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: $ 352 million an additional figure, that's on.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Top of more than $ 1 billion already. budgeted for road maintenance.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: That's what's crazy about this. So as you said, it's
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: successive governments that have attempted to do something.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: But the fact that.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: It's reached this point where it's still shocking, given all
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the funds that have been allocated to it, I'm all
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: for getting the.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Prisoners out there.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: They are already tasked with jobs when they are actually
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: in jail as it stands. So anything where they can
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: be put into a situation where they're actually getting out
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: and about, they're in some fresh air, getting a bit
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: of vitamin D, but giving back to the community and,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: in essence, you know, paying for their crimes, I think
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: is important. And the taxpayers are already paying for them
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: to be locked up in jail as it stands. So
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: get them out there, fix these potholes and actually do
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: something about it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Indeed. And why don't we talk about Parkrun, Lucy? Parkrun.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I'd love to talk about Parkrun.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: It's not something that I wish we were.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Always talking about, quite frankly, but how are we still here?
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: And given the landmark decision that was awarded via the
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Supreme Court in the United Kingdom, where they finally acknowledged
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: that the term woman... meant biological sex, it seems as
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: though that hasn't extended all the way through because parkrun,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: a sport that has been notorious for allowing trans-identified males
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: to compete in it, is thrust and has been thrust
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: into a situation now where they have more than, I
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: think it's something like, there's a biological man that's won
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: over 100 times A hundred times, which is just extraordinary.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: And this story has come to us via GB News,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: where what they've done is women are now demanding that
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: trans parkrun competitors are banned after this biological man has
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: won over a hundred times. And a mass protest movement
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: targeting park runs policy launched today with thousands of runners
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: across the country expected to take part. Now, Mara Yamauchi,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: she's a former British Olympic marathon runner. I've been in
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: contact with Mara. This situation has been going on for
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: years across several categories, but she caught up with GB
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: News and had this to say about the issue.
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: Males have massive physical advantages compared to females in running,
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: which is what most people do in parkrun. It's about 10%
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: to 12% at elite level and a much bigger gap
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: at lower levels. So, yes, it's just not fair. All
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: I and people who share... my view are calling for
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: is males to be banned from the female category.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's extraordinary that in 2026 we're still having
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: this conversation. I feel all the more stupid for having
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: to acknowledge time and time again that males have a
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: physical advantage over women. I mean, you go to the
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Australian Sports Commission website, it outlines all of that. It
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: talks about the fact that we have separate categories to
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: distinguish from those differences to allow women to compete, not
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: just on a safe level, but also from.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: An integrity standpoint, right, where.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: You stretch your minds back to centuries ago when women
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: first wanted to and were arguing for the opportunity to
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: be able to actually compete in sport. They realised that
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: they had to fight for this. I mean, women were
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: banned from competing in women's football, for example, across the
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: UK for 50 years and have fought so long and
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: hard for to be in a situation where not only
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: could they compete, but they could compete and then thereby
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: be remunerated for it, right, to compete in a professional sense.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: And we've seen women's football, for example, come in leaps
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: and bounds. You now have players who are able to
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: compete and earn a living from it, right? They're not
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: having to pull beers on a Saturday night and then
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: move on and then play their games and find.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Additional support elsewhere.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: To be in this situation in 2026 is remarkable to
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: me and we here in Australia are still being confronted
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: by this. We've seen in Adelaide the decision by the
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: AFL to allow a six-foot-two trans-identified male who weighs in
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: at about 90 kilos to compete in the women's community.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Football down there. It's just remarkable.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: And you had a veteran of the game, I think
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: it was Peter Jess, who came out just today via
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: the Herald Sun, saying that this is not safe and.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: That it actually... It's beyond.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Comprehension that we are still allowing this.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Why are we still allowing this, Tanika?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a really good question, because I feel like
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: our politicians, they want to... put the needs of a
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: very small percentage of the population ahead of everyday women.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: And what we're seeing and we're seeing it around the
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: world here in Australia is that women's rights are being
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: eroded by this warped ideology. We don't know what a
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: woman is. We certainly don't know what a woman is
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: here in Australia and in the in the sporting area.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: women's positions, which they have fought for, trained their entire
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: lives for, worked very, very hard, are being replaced by
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: biological men. And we've seen it in the Olympic Games.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: You know, you look at people like Aman Khalif, the boxer,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: for example, winning gold in Paris, winning gold at the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Paris Games.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Still no apology for that, by the way. And still
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: no apology.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: You know, Aman Khalif keeps doing these front page advertisements
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: wearing all this make-up.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Red carpet.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Red carpet events in dresses. It's quite an extraordinary journey.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: To be very clear, though, Iman Khalifa is not transgender
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: in some sort of sexual development thing.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: But there was a test. There was a high level
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: of testosterone, basically. Disorders of sex development, that's it. And
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: it is really, really a shame. Even here in Sydney,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: the flying bats. The flying bats. It's the same thing
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: when they outdo the entire league.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: It's, you know, and we were talking last week about.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: The fact that Cricket Australia allows transgender people to play
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: in local leagues, whereas the ICC does not allow that
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: to happen at an international level. I just can't understand how,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: you know, FINA made a decision on this four or
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: five years ago, and they were sort of one of
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the first, the World Swimming Body, to make a call
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: on this. And slowly but surely, most have followed since then,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: but we still have some very odd outliers that just
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: don't seem to be interested in what should be a
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: very easy question of fairness. It's as simple as that.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Do you know who else followed suit?
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: This will make you laugh, right? And we're talking about AFL.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: It's a very physical sport.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Chess.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: The International Chess Federation banned trans-identified males from competing.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: They did it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: But now you've got Golf Australia also came out recently
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: and said, and so did Cricket Australia, it's remarkable.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Is that because of, you know, clear evidence that men
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: are smarter than women?
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Because it's a mental game.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: You're really going there with Lucy and I.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Look, you know, it's called the late debate, Danika. We've
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: got to spice it up.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Well, if you want to, you can go there, Caleb,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: but I would advise you early on to probably go there.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Well, all I'm saying is why do they have separate
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: categories for men and women in chess? They must have... Well,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: different brains. They must have an idea about... Yes, indeed,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: different brains and... we can't multitask as a man.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: No, definitely not.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: While we're talking about fairness, is it fair that a
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: university in the United States, the Tuskegee University, has instituted
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: this new dress code? They've said if you want to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: come to university... you've got to look the part. So
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: if you go to a business meeting or business style meeting,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you are now expected to wear a business suit and
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: an appropriate shoes. You're expected to wear professional dress in
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the classroom. And the new chancellor there has banned non-religious
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: head coverings. Fair enough, I reckon. Here is the university president, Dr.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Mark Brown. If you raise the bar, students will reach it.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: I had a wonderful time riding around and walking around
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: the campus.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: On the first and the second day of class.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: The bar was raised and it was being reached. But
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: we are focused on the outcome for the student we've
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: been given and entrusted to prepare for a profession. Good
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: on him. There should be more of it. I think,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: you know, the way you dress does say something about you.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: It says something about the way you treat the other
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: people around you. He's saying, let's be better. And part
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of being better is dressing better and good on him.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: It's all about appearance, you know, when you're trying to
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: make a good impression. I don't know why people would
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: wear a durag into the university.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're calling him a racist and it's hysterical
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: because he's also African-American, right?
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Honestly, the left are never satisfied. This is the exact
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: problem with the left, seriously. We're going to take a
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: quick break. Coming up, Brisbane enters a housing downturn and
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Sydney's property market has declined to levels not seen in
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: 40 years. Thanks, Jim. Well done. That's coming up in
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the front pages. Welcome back. Let's take a look at
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: tomorrow's front pages, starting with The Daily Telegraph and many
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: of the front pages still talking about Nepal. As this
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: tragedy continues to unfold, the headline Our Lost Souls. It
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: was meant to be the holiday of a lifetime. It
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: will instead become many fear the most devastating natural disaster
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: involving Australians overseas. There are now 43 Australians unaccounted for
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: in the Nepal floods, including Sydney's Maura Latharian family in
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the middle of that photo, whose distraught relatives were yesterday
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: still clinging on to hope after their spiritual pilgrimage yesterday.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: turned to despair and they are some of the missing
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Aussies on the front page there. And if we take
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: a look at the Courier Mail as well, their headline
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: is Toll Tops Tsunami. True Scale of Nepal Disaster Emerges.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Eleven Queenslanders are now missing. I mean, this is just,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: it's unfathomable. You can't even imagine what these, the families
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: of loved ones at home here in Australia are waiting
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: for any news that they can and you just, You
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: wouldn't wish it upon your worst enemy what they're going through.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: It would be absolutely just terrible. But also there on
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: the front page, property price drop. Brisbane has officially entered
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: a housing downturn following five months of price falls, dropping 2.8%
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: since March. Economists warn the city hasn't hit bottom yet
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: as a dismal auction season and looming rate hikes threaten
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: to slide prices further. Well, Brisbane. Brisbane's next.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Jim.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Jimbo.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well done, Jimmy.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Jim.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Bravo.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Good one, Jimmy. Yeah.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: But don't worry, it's all still going swimmingly.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: You know, we've got MPs out there like Arnica Wells
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: doing videos with ushies, no less, trying to explain away
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: this disaster with respect to capital gains tax and negative gearing.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Isn't it just depressing?
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Mm-hm.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Right? Not only that's where our taxpayer dollars are going,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: but that they're trying to minimise the impact that this
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: has on everyday people.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: My sister lives in Brisbane.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: and she had said to me, oh, you know, I
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: think we're going to be OK. And then I saw
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: this headline and I just went, no, you're not. And
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: we're delusional if we think that this isn't going to
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: hit everybody. Find me a single person that's happy about
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: the value of their house going down.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: No, no one would be.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: And we were told rents would go up by $ 2
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: a week and that it wouldn't, you know, crack the market,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: but it would mean that prices would increase at a
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: slower rate. Well, that's not what we're seeing, is it?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and the Treasurer is still telling us, no, no, no,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: don't worry, the rents will only go up by $ 2
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a week and the prices aren't going to go down,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: they're just going to increase slower. I mean, we can
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: see the evidence right in front of our faces and
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: this story is extrapolated on the front of the Aus tomorrow.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: They've sort of got the national numbers here. And you
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: can see it at the top of the paper there.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: It says Sydney down 4.7%, 646 suburbs dropping value. Melbourne
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: down 3.9%. Perth down 3.2%. Canberra down 2.8%. Brisbane down 2.7%.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Adelaide down 1.6%. Hobart down 0.2%. It's down across the board.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: The only one not there is Darwin. The headline is
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: view from the plummet. House prices in Australia's biggest property
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: market are plummeting at a rate on track to deliver
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the largest annual decline in 40 years, punching household spending
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and GDP growth amid forecasts that hotly anticipated investment in
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: data centres will act as a drag on the economy
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: in two years. Within weeks, Jim Chalmers and Anthony Albanese
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: will face the prospect of of a 4.25 percentage point
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: interest rate increase this year to fight inflation, piling pressure
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: on a housing market further dampened by the May budget
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: tax changes and leading some economists to warn of stagflation
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: or a recession in Australia. In the first full quarter
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: of data since the May budget, property analytics firm Cotality
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: recorded a 4.6% drop in dwelling prices in Sydney, which
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: if continued would amount to an 18.4% drop. annual crash.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: And the government has worked so hard not to go
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: into a recession on the books. Right. I've argued for
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: ages that we've been in an effective recession. If you
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: look at GDP per capita, you know, we have gone
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: backwards under almost every quarter under this government. So in
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: real terms, you have less money in your hand, in
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: your pocket. If you have, you know, houses go back by,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: you know, 18% and we go into a real recession,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: that will be surely the death knell of this government. Surely.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: You'd think so. The only thing propping up the economy
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: has been migration.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: It's really like just this big Ponzi scheme and migration
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: in itself has been a disaster on a number of
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: levels and it is contributing to this housing crisis. And
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: yet Labor stands there every day with a straight face saying... No, look,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: everything's fine. We predicted that this was going to happen.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Stop lying and gaslighting us. We can see the results.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Every economist is talking about it. You've got all these
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: research companies coming out with this sort of data.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: But we, you know, the thing that's so frustrating about
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: all this, and my father always taught me this, if
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: you want to learn about the present and the future,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: you have to rewind the clock and look back through
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: the sands of history again.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: They attempted this in the 1980s, right, under Keating.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: They saw the exact same effects, right?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Rent started skyrocketing in the major capital cities and then
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: they had to reverse the decision some years later.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: I resent very.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Much, and it's almost like what's going on in New
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: York City with Zoran Mamdani, this belief that, you know, no, no, no, no, no,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: we can do it better, right? We can provide socialism in.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: A way that all the other countries failed.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: No, we can take the knife to capital gains tax
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: and negative gearing in a way that they couldn't.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: It's just not working.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Well, as the Oz notes at the top there, it's
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: a pain in the assets. Another story.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Not wrong.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Another story from the Oz tomorrow. A chilling effect on
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Bowen battery policy. This is a ripper here, exclusive from
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Noah Yim. Climate change minister Chris Bowen's cheaper home battery
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: scheme poses a potential risk, would you get this, to
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: grid stability. Amid revelations, some popular batteries throttle themselves... or
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: shut off altogether in cold temperatures.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: No!
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Labor's scheme aims to give homeowners incentives to find the cheapest,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: largest capacity battery to access the highest possible subsidy, which
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: has driven many to opt for battery models lacking features
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: to keep them functional in the cold. Mr Bowen justified
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: taxpayer spending on the $ 8. 5 billion scheme, originally meant to
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: be $ 2. 3 billion, by arguing home batteries would improve grid stability... because, quote,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: it means less pressure at peak times, more reliability and
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: a cleaner, more affordable energy system. But experts now question
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: whether the scheme design may have undermined this goal by
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: potentially introducing widespread battery vulnerability during cold snaps.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, you can't make it up. You can't make it up.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Seriously, you couldn't script this stuff.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: You can't. It writes itself. The gags write themselves.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Like, this is you would expect Sir Humphrey Appleby in
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: an episode..... of Yes Minister to be walking into Jim
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Hacker to tell him that they'd learnt that the system
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: that they'd set up to secure the grid was actually
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: making the grid less secure and there would be hilarity
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: ensues for 15 minutes over that. Instead, it's a real
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: story on the front of The Australian.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: How embarrassing for us as a nation.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Now, throw in the mix, you know, the issue of
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: data centres, right, and the amount of energy that they're
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: going to require down the line.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: I just, I don't know.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: I feel so sad for the country that we could
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: be and that we are yet not, right?
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, true.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look elsewhere and on the front page
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: of the advertiser. I do like this headline. It's an
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: exclusive via Charlie Dads.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, crow, you don't.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: The state's top cop, who is also on the board
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: of Adelaide Football Club.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: has defended using a.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Specialist police security detail and a personal driver to deliver
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: him to the chairman's lounge to watch the crows at
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: the Oval.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Pretty important stuff there, Caleb, isn't it?
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, you've got to go to the footy, right?
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: If I could get a driver to take me to
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the football... Look, I suspect the... I'm not so bothered
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: by the driver bit. I mean, politicians are also entitled
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to a ministerial driver to take them to the footy
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: or wherever they want to go. But a personal security detail,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: like Grant Stephens walks around all the time in the city.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that he particularly needs a security detail.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: But you're an officer. Unless there is something we don't
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: know in terms of a threat or something that was made...
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: But I find it hard to swallow that you would
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: need that to go to the footy.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how you get yourself out of
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: that one. A quick look at the Cairns Post recycling
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: initiative on Scrap Pile, a grassroots community recycling initiative aimed
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: at keeping drink containers out of landfill, has been scrapped
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: by Cairns Regional Council over safety and illegal dumping concerns.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Cairns Beach resident Leon Bradley attached a recycling bin to
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: a general waste bin at O'Shea Esplanade. He collected cash
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: through the containers scheme. However, the council pulled the plug
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: on the community-led effort. What a shame. They were trying
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: to do their very best for the community and they've
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: pulled the plug on it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Raised some money and then the council comes and takes
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: it away. I'm off councils again. Yeah, he's done. Oh, boy.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: He's definitely ill. He's definitely ill. Stay with us coming
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: up after the break. I like eating pig trotters, but
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I certainly wouldn't wear them as shoes. But apparently this
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: is a new fashion trend. That's next. Welcome back. Caleb,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: you've got a story about a very low-lying plane.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, indeed. I love this, actually. Apparently some people thought
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: they were, you know, have planes smashing into them or something.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: But the South Africa and New Zealand rugby teams have
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: been playing some tests. And for the second test, the
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: two planes that have been used to fly the teams
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: around did a bit of a flyover before the match.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Take a look. Flyover coming in.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Flyover.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Flyover. Here it goes. The clouds are about to explode.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: You know what? I reckon that's a credit to the
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: skill of the pilots. It's a low flyover, but can
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: you imagine being in the stadium? I suppose you would
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: have either thought that it was going to land on
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: your head... What a cack to myself, Caleb!
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: or it would have been really, really exhilarating.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Look at that. There you go.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: No, that's too close for comfort.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: It's close, but they did it. But they did it.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with that?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Nah, there's kids in the stadium. Nah, I wouldn't... What,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: there's kids.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: We shouldn't forget about the adults. It's only the kids.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I'm a little bit terrified.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but, you know, that's a moment where that could
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: have gone very differently. That's what I think is terrifying.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: We start to operate in the currency of speculation and think, ooh,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: had the pilot not been on his game.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: But have.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: You seen those... They do it certainly up in Brisbane
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: where the... the Air Force planes sort of snake around
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: near the buildings in Brisbane. You've seen that?
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: But that's deliberate, right?
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so is that.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: That's when you know that, well, it could have ended
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: badly because didn't one of the fireworks actually collide with.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: One of the planes?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Might have hit the wing or something. Anyway, I think.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Anyway, all right, fine.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about more important things like pig trotters. I
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: did not, for the record, give them that particular name,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: but it's what they're being dubbed by the internet because
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Australian fashion brand Alias may have released a shoe... to
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: the tune of $ 229 that have apparently completely divided the internet.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: They're being called pig trotters because they look like pig trotters.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Now, I would, I mean.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I was expecting to have a very visceral reaction to
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: this particular shoe, but I didn't.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: But let's take a look. You either love them or
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: you hate them. You have to really understand the vibe.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Like this is cool girl energy. Do we love them?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Do we hate them?
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Now, look, here we go. Here's the grunting from Danika.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't like them. I couldn't wear them. They
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: look hideous. They literally look like the shoe makes your
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: foot look fat.
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  Speaker 1: That's feral.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't hate them. I don't know why.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: But I did hate, if you ever look, there's a
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Chanel shoe, right, the barefoot shoe. That's even worse. That's
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: something that goes to the tune between, depending on the style,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: between $ 2, 250 and $ 4, 500. Well, do we have a picture
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: of the Chanel shoes? Have we got them?
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Are you going to come in wearing one of these
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: things tomorrow, Lucy?
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: There they are.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Look at that.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Are you going to wear these pig trotter things tomorrow, Lucy?
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: No, I don't hate them. I'm just being dead honest. Really?
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: I'd probably wear the pig trotters.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: You'd rock around in them?
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: I'd walk around in a pig trotter but not the Chanel.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Bear foot shoe.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I'll stick to eating the pig trotters. I'd rather eat them.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: You're a good-looking woman, Lucy. You don't need these.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Pig trotters, please. Honestly, fashion trends, absolutely shocking these days. Lucy, Caleb,
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  Speaker 2: thank you very much. Thanks to you at home. Stay
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  Speaker 2: with us. The Rita Panahy Show is next. Good night.