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- 0:24Hi, I'm Nola Simon.
- 0:25I'm the host of the Hope and Possibilities podcast, and today I want to talk about
- 0:34Practice, which the Institute for the Future, which is where I took
- 0:38my futurist training, does, and they look at 10-year forecast.
- 0:42One of the scenarios that they've created for 2036 involves discernment.
- 0:51And
- 0:54The title is "In 2036, discernment is the most essential human skill."
- 1:00And so this is relevant for us as members of society, members of
- 1:06culture, and people who live and work
- 1:14Because you don't separate who you are at work from who you are at home.
- 1:20Discernment is actually a skill that allows you to adapt and
- 1:25adjust to all aspects of life.
- 1:30So I'm gonna read this to you because I do think it's a really cool way
- 1:35of thinking about where we are currently and where it is we maybe
- 1:42need to steer ourselves toward.
- 1:46The era of seeing is believing is over.
- 1:49You can no longer provide the receipts because receipts are
- 1:52easily generated by AI and faked.
- 1:56A new skill set is required to make sense of the world and decide what is right,
- 2:00what is real, what is good, what is wise.
- 2:04This skill is discernment, the ability to judge what is trustworthy,
- 2:08relevant, and meaningful when evidence alone is insufficient and
- 2:11facts are unstable or contested.
- 2:13It combines critical thinking, contextual awareness, social sense-making, taste,
- 2:19and moral judgment to determine what is real enough, right enough, good enough,
- 2:24and ultimately wise enough to act on.
- 2:27There's also a component of neighborism, prioritizing human local truths,
- 2:31first-hand judgment, and accountability to the people we interact with every day
- 2:36over national media or online discourse.
- 2:40By twenty thirty-six, discernment has replaced empathy as the most
- 2:44widely considered essential scop- soft skill to teach in school-
- 2:49schools, train for in workplaces, and cultivate in our personal lives.
- 2:54Major drivers of this change, the collapse of evidentiary authority as photos, video,
- 2:59audio, and data become easily faked, failure of technological fixes such as
- 3:05AI-generated watermarks, the persistent human need to know what is real and true
- 3:11in order to act and make good decisions.
- 3:15So this really is an adaptive skill that fits into all aspects of our lives,
- 3:26and it'll impact relationships, how we work, how we trust, and, really how we
- 3:34make future-focused decisions and how we assess the impact of the past as well.
- 3:41So it's incredibly far-reaching, and that's why it really caught
- 3:45my eye because I've been talking an awful lot about the skills that
- 3:50we need for the future of work.
- 3:55And soft skills are, as many people have pointed out, are anything but soft.
- 4:04They're really complex, and as you can see the way they've defined discernment
- 4:10is a combination of heavy-hitting skills.
- 4:13It's critical thinking, contextual awareness, social sense making,
- 4:16taste, and moral judgment.
- 4:18And so the way that we practice discernment now
- 4:27is setting us up for success in the future.
- 4:30And I've done a few podcasts and I've written a few posts lately,
- 4:33which is about, how can you demonstrate the human skills that are
- 4:43The skills that AR is bad at, right?
- 4:46So taste and judgment, how do you demonstrate that on an ongoing basis?
- 4:50And on a low-stakes way, we can look at art, at culture, at literature,
- 4:55at movies and TV, how we talk about that, who we talk about that to, how
- 5:01we use it to make sense of the world.
- 5:07And a lot of times it is low stakes, right?
- 5:09On Threads last few weeks we've been talking about slow horses and the
- 5:16diplomat, and I've been writing about spoilers and the art of anticipation and
- 5:23why we hate spoilers but hate Easter eggs.
- 5:27These are all examples of displaying taste and judgment and discernment, but
- 5:36also critical thinking about what that actually means if you change the stakes.
- 5:43So an example of how you change the stakes, Ed Sheeran earlier this
- 5:47year told the world that he had a Letterboxd account, and it was cute.
- 5:52It was a way of him being relatable to fans who wanna perceive
- 6:00him as just another person.
- 6:02So yes, he's famous, yes, he's got lots of money, but he's really
- 6:05just like us because, he watches TV and he wants to write about his
- 6:08experience and share his thoughts.
- 6:11And people found his account really quickly, and I think he ended up shutting
- 6:16it down just because it got overrun.
- 6:18But those stakes are low.
- 6:21Fast-forward to the summer when the Macklemore situation arose where
- 6:27he declared support for Palestine and then got kicked off the tour
- 6:33by the owners of the stadiums.
- 6:35And Ed basically mishandled the PR by not wanting to get involved.
- 6:42That lack of discernment, the critical thinking, the sense making,
- 6:48understanding what the stakes were
- 6:54really impacted him because he didn't have that final decision.
- 6:59He's not the owner of the stadiums and, he was risking something
- 7:02by not actually taking a stance.
- 7:05Staying silent though is actually a stance and
- 7:15It blew up in his face, right?
- 7:19Because although probably no one in the world expected him to be able
- 7:25to resolve a conflict like Gaza
- 7:31What he fails to misunderstand is the fact that he has such a platform.
- 7:37He has millions and millions of followers and has previously spoken out on other
- 7:43political situations like Ukraine.
- 7:47People expect him
- 7:52To have
- 7:56a level of accountability and authority
- 8:03that he took on to use
- 8:07Right?
- 8:07So yes, he has lots of money.
- 8:08He's one of the most successful musicians in the world.
- 8:12But in terms of the level of money that he has, it pales in comparison to the
- 8:18people who actually own those stadiums and, essentially run the music business
- 8:22and how that industry itself works.
- 8:25So the level of discernment to understand the l- the difference of stakes in terms
- 8:32of who actually makes the decisions, who is being coerced, who is being
- 8:41intimidated and manipulated, and who
- 8:47is demonstrating courage in the face of impossible choices while people are dying.
- 8:59'Cause you gotta understand that the stakes are not just, who's going
- 9:02to a concert and making money, but you're supporting or not supporting a
- 9:07cause where people are actually dying
- 9:15And that
- 9:18is incredibly important
- 9:22So this is where discernment can have levels.
- 9:26But the reason why it's really important to practice your skills on this
- 9:32Is because you can't always control the stakes and how they change and
- 9:39how you're perceived, and you need to practice in advance because you need
- 9:44to be able to deftly work between what is nice to have and what is essential.
- 9:55And
- 9:59Somebody that's in the public eye I actually don't envy them because
- 10:09The shift in narrative, the shift in perception, the, the way that
- 10:16your words can be perceived and misinterpreted because there's not a
- 10:23lot-- n-not sufficient context often
- 10:28That's really challenging.
- 10:30It's hard to get right, and even with the best access in the world
- 10:38The only thing you can really do is own who you are and what you
- 10:43stand for and what your values are and operate from that basis.
- 10:49So that's an example of where discernment, the way that we're practicing it
- 10:52right now, has an opportunity to become a really essential skill.
- 10:59When I actually am practicing my skills and how I wanna grow, I
- 11:05look at things that are adjacent to what I actually wanna do.
- 11:12So I practice calm.
- 11:16I practice meditation.
- 11:18I practice listening.
- 11:20I started the podcast and invited guests, not because I necessarily just
- 11:25wanted to have a platform and somebody to actually hear what I wanted to say.
- 11:29I noticed that I actually interrupted people a lot because I
- 11:38didn't feel heard, and I needed an outlet for my ideas, and so I was
- 11:45actually interrupting people a lot because I needed to express myself.
- 11:51And so in part, I started my podcast so I could actually learn how to
- 11:55listen better and then feel confident enough to trust the situation that
- 12:01I could then express myself in a way that was productive and fruitful.
- 12:08And this is how this body of work has been created.
- 12:11It's not that I started a podcast just for the heck of it.
- 12:18I practiced it to-- I started it to practice a skill that I wanted to
- 12:22improve, and I needed to actually improve my critical thinking, my s-
- 12:30Contextual awareness, the listening.
- 12:33Are you listening to actually say something, or are you listening
- 12:40deeply and learning from a situation, making people feel seen and
- 12:45heard, and then asking questions to advance the conversation.
- 12:51What are you listening for?
- 12:52There's levels of listening.
- 12:55And then the other thing I do is I'm actually part of a, a few
- 12:59groups that are focused on language.
- 13:00So I'm part of a linguistics group.
- 13:02I'm part of a PR crisis communications group.
- 13:06And I am part of a group focused on trust and leadership
- 13:20These are the skills that I look to learn more about.
- 13:25And that's discernment because I know that the majority of the work
- 13:33that I do surrounding futurism
- 13:41is mainly focused on communication, how we use language, how we understand, how we
- 13:45remember, how we anticipate how we notice.
- 13:50Meditation, a big part of why I really enjoyed meditation and integrated
- 13:56meditation, so integrating meditation into walks and whatnot, is how
- 14:01that improves my ability to notice.
- 14:04And noticing is a really essential skill and part of futurism because
- 14:08you're looking for signals and scenarios and foresight, applying foresight,
- 14:15building on all of those things that you notice and the convergence
- 14:20of how things are coming together.
- 14:22Those are all really adjacent skills.
- 14:25Of course, I'm practicing futurism, I'm consulting, I'm advising.
- 14:30A key part of that is listening.
- 14:32But a lot of it is also just even noticing and understanding
- 14:41People and how they themselves need to practice all of these skills as
- 14:48well, and that's discernment as well.
- 14:50The other part of what is right, what is good, what is wise who do you trust?
- 14:58Why?
- 14:59How are you-- if you need to know everything, that's really not trust.
- 15:04That's where this debate about transparency, if you have
- 15:07transparency, that improves trust.
- 15:10Actually it's the opposite.
- 15:12If you have transparency, you don't even need to trust
- 15:14because you can see everything.
- 15:16So trust is not required because it's being disclosed
- 15:23you're actually doing something else in that situation.
- 15:26So how do you learn to trust?
- 15:29And the, the irony is that often in order to trust, you have
- 15:34to be trustworthy yourself.
- 15:36You have to go first and behave in ways
- 15:45That other people are going to trust.
- 15:47And the more trust you give, the more trust you earn.
- 15:53That's the interesting part about trust.
- 15:57And
- 16:00What is real?
- 16:04How do you observe people?
- 16:06I-- When I'm looking at people, and I'm following people, and I'm
- 16:12researching, I'm reading their books, I'm looking for consistency
- 16:16in their behavior and their beliefs.
- 16:18And there are people that I've had actually even on the podcast where I've,
- 16:21I've followed them for a long time.
- 16:23I've listened to their podcast.
- 16:25I usually only invite them when I start to feel that who they are on one platform
- 16:31really is who they are everywhere.
- 16:33There's consistency in the way that they think, the way that they show up,
- 16:37the way that they behave, the way that they comment, the way they engage.
- 16:40They are who they say they are.
- 16:44And then still, it can actually change once you get them
- 16:49directly in a conversation.
- 16:50I had one guy I really wanted to like because he's Canadian, he's
- 16:55written I don't know, seven books.
- 16:59We're the same age.
- 17:00We know the same music.
- 17:02I wanted to like him, and he showed up with slides and presented to me like
- 17:10it was 2010, and I was a kid in his university class, and got really upset
- 17:20with me when I actually questioned some of his data and his, the way he presented
- 17:26or didn't present some of the information
- 17:34I had another guy show up and in the middle of the podcast, which was
- 17:38actually being video recorded, he was talking but was also checking his phone
- 17:45It's an hour call.
- 17:47You couldn't wait 30 minutes to check your phone?
- 17:51Would you do that with anybody else?
- 17:53Is this who you are?
- 17:54Like, do you do this with like
- 17:59the CEOs that you consult with?
- 18:01Would you treat them like that?
- 18:03So who are you and how do you decide who's important, who's
- 18:10deserving of your attention?
- 18:12And the fact that it was being video recorded and you didn't
- 18:15even consider that might
- 18:19Come across in a certain way and you're okay with that?
- 18:23I was floored.
- 18:25And this is somebody that I had read all his books.
- 18:29I had noticed that my coach actually used him as an endorsement
- 18:33on her book and he reciprocated.
- 18:37I, I was confident
- 18:41in the productive conversations I'd had with him, and then he still showed up
- 18:45and made me feel like I didn't matter.
- 18:48You can think that you've got the best discernment in the world,
- 18:52and you can still be wrong.
- 18:53And that is where
- 18:59You really have to
- 19:05have a certain amount of self-awareness and be open to feedback and
- 19:10rethinking what it is you think that how do you unlearn what you knew?
- 19:15How do you relearn new skills?
- 19:17And how do you keep assessing
- 19:25what it is you think that and that is really where discernment comes into play.
- 19:31So I hope that this is an helpful example.
- 19:35I am really excited about the idea
- 19:41of how we integrate futures thinking, the everyday futurism concept that I
- 19:47talk about, which was how do you wake up in a future scenario, whether that's,
- 19:54six months from now, a year from now, 18 months from now, or 10 years from now?
- 20:00How do you put this in play, and what pieces do you need to
- 20:04work on to have that, that idea actually come to fruition, right?
- 20:09If you wake up 10 years from the future, like who are you living with?
- 20:12What does your breakfast look like?
- 20:14What do your habits look like?
- 20:16What does your work look like?
- 20:19Do you leave to go to work?
- 20:20Do you walk to work?
- 20:22Do you-- Like what does work mean to you?
- 20:26Even being able to imagine what the normal things that you do on an everyday basis
- 20:35now, what that looks like if certain aspects change helps you understand this.
- 20:42And Institute for the Future is actually a really good way to assess this.
- 20:46They actually talked about the possibilities of a pandemic ten
- 20:50years before COVID hit, and it was a scenario development developed by
- 20:56an expert who develops video games.
- 21:00And they knew because of the scenario development that they'd done, this
- 21:05ten-year forecast, that people were gonna have a really hard time around
- 21:09rituals, like going to church, missing church, weddings, funerals
- 21:14being present for babies being born christenings, the rituals that
- 21:19fuel our life and mark transitions.
- 21:22It was gonna be really difficult for people to not gather.
- 21:25The ritual of going to church and praying together and that community aspect
- 21:34that people-- keep people connected.
- 21:36Of course, you can move a certain amount of that online.
- 21:40That feels and looks very different for somebody who's never been online, right?
- 21:44So because they had people imagine what it would look like to wake up in those
- 21:50scenarios, and they mined all of the responses for commonalities, they were
- 21:57actually able to come in and advise governments about the responses and
- 22:03what the risks would be and how to adapt
- 22:09This is where futurism can be very powerful, and discernment
- 22:13is a huge part of that.
- 22:14We know more than we realize, and a lot of it isn't necessarily about knowing.
- 22:19It's about that sense-making part of it because we know what it is.
- 22:24We know what our lives are.
- 22:25We know how we would react.
- 22:27We are who we are.
- 22:29These are important skills.
- 22:31And this is the value of futurism.
- 22:34It's not just about little fantasy things like flying cars.
- 22:41It's these small decisions that become bigger decisions
- 22:46that snowball, that then become
- 22:53who we are as a society, and that those are big questions.
- 22:59Anyways, thanks for listening.
- 23:00I'd love to know what you think.
- 23:02I've got an experiment going to end up on the Canadian charts.
- 23:05I've realized that, a lot of times the skills that I talk about are
- 23:09deeply related to careers, and also I'm talking about society and culture.
- 23:14So I have actually changed the categories for my podcast to
- 23:18match that, and I'm attempting to end up on the Canadian charts.
- 23:23Again, it-- I think it's a civic duty to speak up as a Canadian about the signals
- 23:30and the trends and the scenarios I see playing out into the sovereignty of
- 23:34our nature and our future as a country.
- 23:37And that requires visibility, which means that I need to amplify
- 23:41Canadian voices, and this is my goal.
- 23:45So the easiest thing you can do to support that is to actually just subscribe to the
- 23:50podcast on whatever player you listen on.
- 23:53Thanks.