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More netball talk than you can poke a stick at; Silver Ferns coaching mysteries, Diamonds selections, a Grand Final win in Ballina and more · No Dribble

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to No Dribble, the podcast where we
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  Speaker 1: talk about netball, but we talk about so much more.
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  Speaker 1: And in a week where a massive storm has developed
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  Speaker 1: across the ditch, there's quite a lot of netball to
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  Speaker 1: talk about, not just in New Zealand but in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: So we've been looking forward to getting together. I'm Taralyn Swindel, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Kath Cox, and I'm the zealous and i am a
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  Speaker 2: very praud coach.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's the most important netball that we must
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  Speaker 3: speak about to start.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us every tell us Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, firstly, who'd be a coach? It's very stressful
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  Speaker 2: and very nerve wracking.
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  Speaker 1: I suspect there's a few people asking that question of
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  Speaker 1: themselves at the moment, Like I love coaching through the year.
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  Speaker 4: And then just on Saturday, it was so hard, like
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  Speaker 4: so stressful, and we had only lost one game during
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  Speaker 4: the year, and the only game we lost was a
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  Speaker 4: day where we had a number of players away because
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  Speaker 4: I've got some kids who are rep basketball players and
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  Speaker 4: it was pouring rain and I just said to the girls,
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  Speaker 4: or they just don'tt yourselves taken easy, I don't care what.
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  Speaker 2: So essentially we want to like games across the season.
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  Speaker 2: But the team that we played in the Grand final
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  Speaker 2: are an awesome team who beats us in the semi
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  Speaker 2: last year, and I just knew that even though we'd
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  Speaker 2: beaten them every game this year, they had another gear
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  Speaker 2: with them and we're going to see it on Saturday.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't know. I was just felt so nervous
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  Speaker 5: and so sick, and.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, Like I felt exactly how
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  Speaker 2: I used to feel before a Super Netball grandpont for
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  Speaker 2: a World Cup.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: And it wasn't for me, like, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be a professional coach, but I just wanted
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  Speaker 2: the girls to feel how good it is to go
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  Speaker 2: through a season and then shut off with the win.
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  Speaker 1: So now your girls have been in grand finals before
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  Speaker 1: that they've lost, haven't they.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we lost the Grand final, we lost the semi
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  Speaker 2: final last year. And we've been together since Ry two
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  Speaker 2: and then our in year eight, so and we've had
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  Speaker 2: a couple of changes, but essentially the ten who are
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  Speaker 2: in my team, eight of them started with us when
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  Speaker 2: they're in U two, right, so they were babies.
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  Speaker 5: So like every year.
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  Speaker 2: You know you're going to lose one or two, and
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  Speaker 2: you might get one or two, but I just wanted
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  Speaker 2: this group to just really feel it. Anyway, we got
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  Speaker 2: to the Grand Final on Saturday and beautiful day up
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  Speaker 2: here in ballt Up and we've had a really wet winter,
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  Speaker 2: so I had made them training the rain a few
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago, so I was like, it might rain on
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  Speaker 2: the Grand Final days. Of course Grand Fri Day's like
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  Speaker 2: twenty five degrees and beautiful, so what would I know. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: we were up by one at quarter time, well down
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  Speaker 2: by one at half time, well down by three at
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  Speaker 2: three quarter time, and I just said to them at
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  Speaker 2: three quarter time, like grand finals are supposed to be hard.
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  Speaker 2: That's not a bit bewildered, Like we haven't been down
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  Speaker 2: at all this year. And I was like, Grand finals
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  Speaker 2: are supposed to be hard. This is why we do it.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, three goals is nothing. We just need
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  Speaker 2: a couple of turnovers and off we go. And we
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  Speaker 2: got a couple of turnovers really quick, and out of
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  Speaker 2: the blocks. We just went on a five goal sort
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  Speaker 2: of spree and then it was just golf for goal.
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  Speaker 2: It was so stressful though.
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  Speaker 3: I saw Brian's message on Facebook to you and you're
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  Speaker 3: a reply who would ever coach, Like, imagine if your
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  Speaker 3: job was on the line every week.
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  Speaker 5: Oh and I should have had a heart rate monitor on.
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  Speaker 5: My heart rate was going ballistic.
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  Speaker 2: The two little girls on the site not little girls,
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  Speaker 2: and two young women on the sideline in the last quarter,
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  Speaker 2: I think they I was hugging them, but I think
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  Speaker 2: they bathed ended up with like fingernail marks and dish.
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  Speaker 5: It was fabulous one. It was very exciting party.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so we just went to the local pub, which
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  Speaker 2: was great with all the parents. So I'm really fortunate
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  Speaker 2: we've got a great group of parents who you know,
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  Speaker 2: through the course of this year, we had a couple
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  Speaker 2: of moments where a couple of girls turned up to
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  Speaker 2: sessions and weren't in the right frame of mind, and
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  Speaker 2: I went to their parents and said, listen, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to play your girls for the first half this
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  Speaker 2: week because I want them to understand it if you
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  Speaker 2: don't turn up in the right frame of mind to training,
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  Speaker 2: you actually can't play. And just a couple of times
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  Speaker 2: and the parents every time we're just like absolutely back you,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely your call, one hundred percent. So I'm just really
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  Speaker 2: fortunate that I've got a great group of parents, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, we know that there's plenty of statistics and
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  Speaker 2: studies out there to tell you that one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons why kids drop out a sport is because they
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  Speaker 2: get embarrassed about their parents on the sideline, or they
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  Speaker 2: don't feel like they feel like their parents are involved
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  Speaker 2: too much. And I've at this great group of parents
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  Speaker 2: who let me coach, they let me do what I
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  Speaker 2: need to do, and they just support and cheer their girls.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's probably why we really don't have
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  Speaker 2: much turnover. We have a group of kids who want
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  Speaker 2: to play together and want to be together. So I
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  Speaker 2: said to the girls afterwards, you just have to go
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  Speaker 2: home and thank your parents because they're the ones who
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  Speaker 2: you know. We live in a country area, so some
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  Speaker 2: of them have to drive twenty minutes half an hour
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  Speaker 2: to get their kids and take them home.
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  Speaker 5: And so yeah, it was good, it was nice. So yes,
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  Speaker 5: we did go the pub.
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  Speaker 3: Well done, super coach.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks the beer tasted like victory.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, well earned.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, Oh what's done?
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  Speaker 3: I know she's shown us up, hasn't she?
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  Speaker 5: Just like that only taken me eight years?
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  Speaker 3: Oh well, oh god, we've got eight years to go No,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not catching You're done. You're tapping out. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 3: tapping out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Johnny's off to high school next year and she
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  Speaker 1: wants to play for the school, and I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a great idea. I would encourage her. Good, I would
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  Speaker 1: encourage her. Yes, it's a very valid point. But encourage
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  Speaker 1: you to go back to the community club in the
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  Speaker 1: next year, because I think it's actually good. Like, don't
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  Speaker 1: have all your eggs in the school basket, all girls'
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  Speaker 1: school basket. I think it's to have friends outside of that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, next year, she wants to play for the school,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's I think it'd be good for
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  Speaker 1: her to have a different coach too. Fair enough, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: fair enough. Yeah, maybe you could come and go.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm good. I don't think I'm allowed to get
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  Speaker 3: away from my team, Emma.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: We had our presentation day yesterday for gladesvill Ravens and
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  Speaker 1: Ella bone and Steiner, who was at primary school with
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  Speaker 1: my son and who I taught primary ethics to, was
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  Speaker 1: Junior Coach of the Year. So our shout out Ella
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  Speaker 1: Bodensteinering a wonderful job. Friend, Liz, You're not the only
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  Speaker 1: coach who's been busy this week.
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  Speaker 5: What Yeah, I don't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Other stuff has been happening. Katherine and I have had
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  Speaker 1: our feed up from a coaching perspective me for quite
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  Speaker 1: a few weeks now, but Stacey Marinkovich has been busy.
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  Speaker 1: We have some Diamonds announcements.
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  Speaker 3: And how great are these teams looking? Do you know
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  Speaker 3: what I love more than anything though, the teams that
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  Speaker 3: have been selected for both the South African series and
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  Speaker 3: the New Zealand series.
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  Speaker 2: So in drive to Catherine, so we have had two
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  Speaker 2: teams named one for South Africa.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, one for New Zealand.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Fifteen in each team.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, standard squads, but every single player in the Diamond
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  Speaker 3: squad is getting a crack, is getting an opportunity. Doesn't
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  Speaker 3: mean they'll get on court when it gets down to
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  Speaker 3: selecting the twelve for the Test series, but the fact
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  Speaker 3: that every player has been represented across these two series
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  Speaker 3: is really exciting. But I think really smart coaching from
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  Speaker 3: Stacy Marienkovitch because she knows what great seasons they've had,
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  Speaker 3: but how good are they on an international court within
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  Speaker 3: the Australian Diamonds environment. That's what she wants to be
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  Speaker 3: looking at now. So this is so exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Can you explain to me so you're astonished. You sound
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  Speaker 1: very surprised that they've all been invited into camp and
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  Speaker 1: that they're all getting a crack. So that's not that common.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't always happen, no, right, But I think really
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  Speaker 3: smart in given the timing of a Common Games next
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  Speaker 3: year in a World Cup the year after, because as
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's such little time together. It's so important
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  Speaker 3: to get as much time together as a group when
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  Speaker 3: you know how long the SSN season is, and this
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  Speaker 3: is a really great way to utilize that time and
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  Speaker 3: that you get everyone a crack, get them out on
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  Speaker 3: court if you can. So, as Liz mentioned, fifteen have
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  Speaker 3: been selected in the South African series, fifteen in the
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  Speaker 3: New Zealand series. Each test match stays in Marinkovich and
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  Speaker 3: the selectors will narrow that down to twelve. That can
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  Speaker 3: change from Test to test within the one series, and
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  Speaker 3: I think it will and I reckon that if you're
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  Speaker 3: going to select them, she's going to play them because
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  Speaker 3: which she'll want to see what they're like out on
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  Speaker 3: court within this environment. So I mean, how great. Firstly,
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  Speaker 3: then if we look at the South African Series, Alas Steagnild.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I exciting for Giants fans because Lucy Austin, who
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  Speaker 1: we have seen nothing of all year, must have been
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  Speaker 1: playing out of her mind in this Diamonds camp to
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  Speaker 1: be getting this call up. I think that's great. I
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  Speaker 1: can't wait to see what she's got.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting, isn't it because if you think about
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  Speaker 3: the two probably go to tall shooters that were in
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  Speaker 3: the squad and or invite is Danell Wallom Lucy Austin. Yeh,
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  Speaker 3: Lucy Austin, who hasn't played much this season at all,
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  Speaker 3: gets the selection over Danell Wallam who played every single
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  Speaker 3: game and big minutes in New Zealand. So you're right.
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  Speaker 3: The camp would have been really telling, I think. And
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  Speaker 3: this is very exciting for the Giants fans and for
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  Speaker 3: Lucy Austin. How great.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, super exciting.
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  Speaker 2: And the players who have come in who like, we're
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  Speaker 2: really excited about it because they're young and they're being
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  Speaker 2: given a go. Lucy Austin, Alice teag Neil and had
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  Speaker 2: a Monday. You know, they're players who you think are
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  Speaker 2: absolutely going to be in the mix twenty six, twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven and beyond, and it'll be fascinating just to see
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  Speaker 2: who gets picked for what game and then how much
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  Speaker 2: game time they get. And I think particularly for someone
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  Speaker 2: like Lucy Austin, for her to be just on tour
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  Speaker 2: and around, I think it's a really good thing to
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  Speaker 2: bring players on that way, so there's not a massive
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  Speaker 2: amount of pressure. You're not just named in the twelve
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  Speaker 2: and you've got to just get out there and perform.
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  Speaker 2: They might get a test match to sort of ease
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  Speaker 2: their way in to see what it's about to sit
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  Speaker 2: that close on the sideline and have a real good
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  Speaker 2: look at it. So yeah, I do think it's smart
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  Speaker 2: having the fifteen for the South Africa series then the
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  Speaker 2: fifteen for the concap.
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  Speaker 3: You make that sound so funny though, because you can't
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  Speaker 3: tell me there's not games within the games. Every time
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  Speaker 3: these players get out on court, there's an enormous amount
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  Speaker 3: of pressure on them because they have to perform, like
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  Speaker 3: what if they don't get another opportunity. So I agree
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  Speaker 3: with what you're saying and that you've got to be
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  Speaker 3: in the environment and experience at all, but I reckon
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  Speaker 3: there is an enormous amount of pressure still on these
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  Speaker 3: players to when they get their opportunity absolutely smash it.
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  Speaker 2: And I also wonder if I don't know the answer
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  Speaker 2: to this, but you would suspect that Stacey.
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  Speaker 5: Rinkovic is putting pressure on them through.
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  Speaker 2: The training sessions, right, So every training session is a
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  Speaker 2: selection because you are to try and get yourself into
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  Speaker 2: that team of twelve.
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  Speaker 5: So there's all that happening as well.
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  Speaker 1: So as the self appointed president of the Aim Slagger
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  Speaker 1: fan Club talk to me about about the invitee. So,
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  Speaker 1: so they've been invited into camp. So it was Tea
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  Speaker 1: and O Shannasy originally, but she's injured so she's out.
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  Speaker 1: So Rudy, Rudy Ellis, Amy Slager, Danelle Wallom. So they
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  Speaker 1: haven't been selected. Would they have gone in with an
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  Speaker 1: expectation of being selected or is there a is this
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  Speaker 1: a not this year? Come in, learn what it's all
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  Speaker 1: about and then next year that might be your go
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  Speaker 1: What how does this work?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's changed this this year. And
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  Speaker 3: Liz might be able to talk a bit more to that.
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  Speaker 3: But remember last year, Rudy Ellis was not in the squad.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: She came in as an invitee yep. She then was
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  Speaker 3: selected into the squad and then she made the team
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  Speaker 3: and that all happened in the space of it felt
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  Speaker 3: like felt like a month. But it has happened before, yep,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as recently as last year. So I think
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  Speaker 3: the players certainly go we in feeling like they aren't
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  Speaker 3: just there to make numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're on stage, aren't you given an opportunity? It's
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  Speaker 1: like you're on stage. And as you say, every training
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  Speaker 1: session is a selection.
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  Speaker 3: And it may not be for this series. They might
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  Speaker 3: be aware of that, but they're not in the running
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  Speaker 3: for this one, but they could be four common games
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  Speaker 3: for the World Cup going forward. And don't forget injuries happen.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's a whole range of reasons that they
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  Speaker 3: could go, certainly from an invitee into the squad or
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  Speaker 3: into the team.
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  Speaker 1: Now exciting.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk about the changes though, So from the South
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  Speaker 3: African series through to the New Zealand series, there's three
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  Speaker 3: changes that are made. So for New Zealand, Sunday Arian
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  Speaker 3: comes in for Joe Weston, Yes, Lucy Austin goes out,
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  Speaker 3: Sophie Dwyer comes in for the New Zealand series and
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  Speaker 3: Amy Parmenter will sub in for Alice t Neild as well,
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  Speaker 3: So there'll be three changes that happen across the two
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  Speaker 3: test series there too. So as we mentioned, everybody gets.
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  Speaker 1: A touch, and of course no Page Hadley, but that's
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  Speaker 1: for pregnancy reasons, it's not for any other Good.
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  Speaker 3: Luck, Stacey Marenkovich. That sounds like a nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, how good is it?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I think sometimes we get really focused on the number
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  Speaker 2: of imports and overseas players in Super Netball and how
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  Speaker 2: it might be affecting the Diamonds. But I mean, look
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  Speaker 2: at there's two teams of fifteen there. There's eighteen players
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  Speaker 2: who are fantastic you could have. You know, there's another
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  Speaker 2: two or three players sitting just outside, and that invitea
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  Speaker 2: leaves who you could always also like it's possibly just
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  Speaker 2: a hairsbreadth for them to not be there. Yeah, Page
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  Speaker 2: Hadley will come back in at some point next year. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I just look at that, and I think things are
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  Speaker 2: looking pretty good. And we'll get to see just how
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  Speaker 2: good in these two series. And you know, regardless of
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about what's happening in New Zealand in a minute,
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  Speaker 2: but regardless of what's happening over there, you know that
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  Speaker 2: the Silver Ferns players, they will put that black dress
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  Speaker 2: on and they grow an extra foot and they get
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  Speaker 2: stronger and faster and all that sort of stuff. So
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  Speaker 2: I think the Concup is going to be absolutely outrageously
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  Speaker 2: good and it's exciting to see just the competition that
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  Speaker 2: exists within this Diamonds program for space on court.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's great.
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  Speaker 1: Something that's happened in New Zealand this week that it's
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  Speaker 1: not netball related, but it's sport related and I want
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  Speaker 1: them to do better, please. So if you're a rugby fan,
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  Speaker 1: you saw that South Africa the spring Box thumped the
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  Speaker 1: All Blacks on the weekend, very unusual. The All Blacks
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  Speaker 1: are not used to losing and clearly their fans are
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  Speaker 1: not used to losing. So it was at the Wellington Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: There the Cake Tin, which my mother lives in Wellington.
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  Speaker 1: It's apparently quite divisive. Some people like to call it
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  Speaker 1: the cake Tin, others disapprove of that. I like to
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  Speaker 1: call it the ca Tin. But anyway, they've got yellow
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  Speaker 1: seats in there because obviously the Wellington Hurricanes have yellow
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  Speaker 1: so it's very obvious when fans are leaving before the
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  Speaker 1: game is over and.
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  Speaker 3: Goes from black to yellow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, bumblebee, Yeah yeah, that's right, it goes from
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  Speaker 1: black to yellow. And so we actually did a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a rewind to watch this, and it's like, it's interesting,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it when you get used to your team winning
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  Speaker 1: all the time, how hard it is as a fan
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  Speaker 1: to hang in there when your team's losing. So the
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  Speaker 1: All Blacks were right in it at halftime. I think
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  Speaker 1: the scores were even at halftime, and the second half
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  Speaker 1: was just was was hard to watch, but like.
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  Speaker 5: Don't leave.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, stay, you know, stuff happens. Look what happens to
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  Speaker 1: some god. Super Apple Final was decided in the last
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  Speaker 1: few seconds, So I don't like it. Come on, fans,
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  Speaker 1: stay there, stay the course, stay with your team, good
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  Speaker 1: or bad. And this is from a Wallabies I.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Was going to say, you're talking to Catherine. Catherine, she's
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: the only person I know who is thinking about how
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: she's going to get home before she actually leaves. She'd
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: be sitting in the stadium going, oh, it's half time,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: we're down.
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: Could I go now?
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Could I go down and get in the bed with
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: a cup of tea and a biscuit?
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what people are doing trying to
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: get out of the car park early. But it's like,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: my god, you've invested the time and money going to
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: this event. Stay for the whole thing, Catherine, Stay for
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: the whole thing.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: I will from now on.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, But so that's something that happened in New Zealand
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: on the weekend. But I don't think that's the biggest
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: news out of New Zealand.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Actually, is this a perfect little segue New Zealand begay? Yeah?
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: This is actually bamboozling, isn't it. So Dame Nolin Tarua
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: has been stood down the coach of the Silver Fins.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Now I'm going to do a summary of this based
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: on everything that I have seen in the public domain.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: So none of this is because I've got an inside
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: track to some special information or whatever.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: But just on that, can we clarify we don't know.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: We actually do not know. So everything that we're talking
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: about is what we've heard from some good sources, from
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: what you've gathered in the media.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: And we have to be very careful with this because
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: this is a live issue. Obviously, it's people's employment in
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: place here, there's obviously an enormous number of sensitivities legal
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and otherwise. Here we want to talk about it, but
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: we are going to be responsible about it because that's
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: what we do here. At no dribble, we are responsible. So,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: as far as I understand it, Dame Nolinterua and Briany
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Aikle and dead Fuller Deb Fuller have been stood down.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: The Ferns are about to play South Africa in a
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: three test series, the Tiny Jamison.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Cup, and first one on the twenty first of this month.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Twenty first of this month, which is Sunday, this Sunday.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Vette McCausland jury has been asked to step in as coach.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: She doesn't really know for how long or so she's
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: stepping up and doing that job. There is, as far
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: as I can see, no question that she had anything
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: to do with what's gone on here. Jenny Wiley, the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: CEO of Netball New Zealand is overseas. She's not there.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: And remember this is the team that won the Constellation
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Cup from Australia just last year November last year, late
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: last year. Three to one. They won that series. And
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: remember they had they could almost have had a clean sweep.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Australia won the final game they defeated Australia by eighteen
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: goals in person was a really convincing win from a
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: team who were playing well. We have subsequently had eight
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: players signed for sun Corps Supernetball for next year, which
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: was looking interesting, but apparently after the games in here
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: in New South Wales in January, one or more of
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the players has raised concerns about Dame Nolinta's coaching style
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: and said she or they are feeling psychologically unsafe in
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: this work environment. And there has been an investigation that
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Netball New Zealand has done and that for the time
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: being the coaching team have been stood down, not fired.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: We don't know what it really means. So that's and
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I do understand when you are looking at
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: issues of psychological safety. And I have to say, as
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: a gen X, I have to try really hard not
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: to roll my eyes when I say psychologically safe workplace
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: when we are talking about a high performance sport environment.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Now I say that in the context of someone who
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: has been in a word place where I have had
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: a completely psychologically unsafe environment is very damaging. So but
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: it is I find this I find this one incredibly
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: hard to work out because it's like if you want
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to be in the team, you've got to be the best. Right,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: So Dame Nolen has very high standards around fitness. I
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: would have thought that's fair enough. Like you're either the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: fittest or you're not, and if you're not the fittest,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you can't do this.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I feel like sport and elite sport. Professional sport is
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: a different kettle of fish. It is because it is firstly,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: players fighting each other for position in teams. And Liz,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: we have been in teams where we've had our asses kicked,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: we've been flogged, we've not necessarily got on with the coach.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: And while I'm talking about that, I'll point to the
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: twenty seven World Cup. Right, So that went a lot
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: longer than it should have. I've never trained so hard
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: in my life. We were flogged within an inch of
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: our lives. But I will say this, We got to
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: the World Championship and we knew we were going to
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: win it. There was no question because the coach had
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: put it to us that we need to be the
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: fittest we've ever been. We need to really commit to this.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Everybody has to be on board. It is tough at
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: the top. Right, we trained our asses off. We got
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: there complete confidence that we could do the job because
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: there wasn't a stone left unturned. That is from my understanding,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: particularly talking and listening to ex players that have been
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: under Noline Tadora and seeing her results, that is the
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: way she operates. She wants to make sure that every
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: single person under her watch is doing absolutely everything in
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: their power to be the best they can. And I
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: want to bring up a comment or a big statement
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: from Laura Langman. Now, Laura Langman refuses to speak to media.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: The amount of times we've tried to get her on
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: the broadcast when we're with Channel nine and then again
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: with Fox, she flat out refuses to do it. She
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: doesn't want to be in she doesn't want to put
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: a name out there. She certainly doesn't want to be
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: involved with controversy. She was one of the first people
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: to come out and say Sally, so her words to
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: me straight away have weight, like why is she now
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: coming out on a topic like this and getting on
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: the front foot and being really passionate about it. She's
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: one of the fittest and toughest in the game, one
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: of the most experienced, one of the most successful, and
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: straight away jumped into the defence of Noline tatol That
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: says a lot to me, knowing nothing about what's gone on,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: but you just know that you know, she was the
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: first one to say in that statement, Noline Tatoua is tough.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: She expects the best of her players. But when someone
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: like Laura Langeman says it, you get that right because
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: she's and she said she's always done it in a
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: fair manner too. So I really found her comments interesting
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: when you know full well that she doesn't come out
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: and comment on stuff.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: And like Liz, so you are being deliberately quiet here,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and we've talked about this before we had this conversation.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: This is it difficult position for you to be in
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: to be having this chat. So just so everyone knows,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Liz is here and we haven't physically gagged her, but
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: she is being very careful with what she says.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, So this is a really difficult situation for Netball
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: New Zealand with the silver Ferns for Nola and Tadua,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: for the coaching group. And I don't want to wade
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: into it in any way, shape or form. I've all
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: seen plenty of things said on the record and There's
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: been lots written about it, and you sort of can't
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: avoid it. If your algorithms have anything to do with network.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: This stuff just gets pushed up. So I guess for me,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I just sit and watch with interest. But if I
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: step back and take the view from ten thousand feet,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I will say it's something that every organization in Australia
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: has to think very carefully about. And I would say
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: that every sporting organization has to think carefully about where
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the line is between high performance and how you make
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: sure not so much of the line, how you achieve
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: high performance, and how you make sure that everybody within
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: your workplace, athletes, coaches, administrators, all feel psychologically safe.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question, liz On, do you
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: think that line shifted across time?
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know, and I don't know that I'm qualified
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: enough to comment, Okay, simply because it's probably a line
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: that at some point someone smarter than me will have
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to quantify what that is like at some point there'll
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: be there'll be a legal case about it, and there
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: will actually be a legal definition of what that line
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: is and what can be done in the pursuit of
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: high performance and what protections need to happen around both
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: athletes and coaches because at the end of the day,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the athletes and the coaches all are employers of the
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: same organization.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Often so there is that tension between the two and
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: when you sit in the role of a CEO or a.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Board member, particularly boards, but boards are now legally required
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to make inquiries as to the psychosocial safety of their
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: employees and to ensure that there is a legal requirement
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: to provide a psychologically safe workplace. Right So, and this
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: is where you get this real tension between what the
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: lawry is and then how traditionally high performance sport may
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: or may not have worked. So I think every sports
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: administrator is probably sitting back and watching this with with
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: great interest and a bit of concern and wanting to
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: understand what the correct way is forward. So I absolutely
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: do not want to comment on what's happening. It's not
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: something that I can do other than to say it
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: is if you step back, it's quite a broad conversation
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: that probably has to happen across the sporting ecosystem.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I find fascinating though, is the
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: points you talk to there about looking forward, because whatever
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: happens has got to kind of happened quickly. Right now,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: this is the two biggest years for netball. The Silver
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Fans looked like they had settled with a coach that
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: had brought them success and they were happy with and
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: they had four for her to go back there and
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: sign on with them for this next couple of campaigns.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: But time is of the essence. Like you see Stacey
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Mareenkovitch and the Diamonds, as soon as the season's over
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: they get their players together. They understand that that time
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: together is so precious, particularly light of the fact now
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: that next season will have so many of those silver
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: ferns on Australian soil. That's less touch they've got with
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: them again. But if they don't sort this out, whichever
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: way it goes, you know, we don't know obviously what's
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: going on whichever way they decide to go. I think
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: they've really got to sort out quickly because if they don't,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: New Zealand's going to struggle to find a podium. They
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: really will, Like they're already battling uphill against your Jamaica's
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: your England, you're Australia. Although as you say, they had
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: recent success at the Constellation Car.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: They had recent success. You know, what does a coach
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: have to do?
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: I know, but the last two the last Common Games
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: and World Cup, they haven't had the success they would
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: have liked. So that's their big challenge. But they need
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: some stability in there, and they need it now. Whatever
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: that looks like.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: It's really interesting, this psychological safety thing, when you are
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: looking at a high performance environment like this that it's
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: like I can see legal challenges down the track for
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: many different sports where people who are not selected for
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: very good reasons go well, I don't feel like this
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: workplace was optimal for me in order to perform or
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you know, it strikes me as something that can be
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: very easily weaponized in this environment. And that doesn't mean
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: it's sort of hard. We throw our hands up and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: we don't do it. But I think in something like
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: this in professional sport, but even in things like like
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: fireies and things. You know, we need our fireies to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: be fit, don't we We want these people whose lives we
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: depend on. There needs to be difficult standards in place
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: for jobs like professional sport, for jobs like fire fighting
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: where we rely on people, you know, we need to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: have difficult standards in place for pilots and you know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: people in the medical field, and I just this it's
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a really interesting time for the workplace and from a
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: governance perspective and for boards to how how do we
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: make sure that we are doing this rigorously but still
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: able to function and do the job that we're here
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to do well.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: It's a big part of selection criteria too, isn't it.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: And I mean the selectors don't just go out there
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: and go, oh, I like what she just did, then
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: we'll select her. The criteria for a selection of the
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Australian diamonds, for instance, is huge, isn't it. Like there's
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: there's fitness levels, there's there's a whole mess of stuff
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: on the list, and of course and fitness is one
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: of them, one hundred percent is And we keep referring
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: to that. We don't know if that's what it is.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: We're just you know, talking to the fact that that's
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: one of the things we all know. Noline Taylor is
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: really strict on and really tough on. But you've got
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: to have you know, all the boxes ticked for selection anyway,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: It's not like, you know, if you're not doing it.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: And I am why should you get in over me,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: you know that sort of stuff. It's it's it's a
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: tough one, but you know we're all got the popcorn
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: out and can't wait to see what happens and where
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: it goes.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: I have no I have zero opinion, fair enough to well, can.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: We talk about something exciting that you will have an
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: opinion on because you're a big part of it. Happened
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: on Australian soil. The new diamond CPA.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: This is great, Liz.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Can you just talk us through it all because there's
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: a couple of points in there that I didn't really understand,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: but we'd love to get an understanding of it, you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: particularly when everyone's shouting from the rooftops the first time
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: that there's been a revenue share partnership.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Let's first of all, say what CPA stands for.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Our Collective Players Agreement.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: YEP, not Certified Practicing Accountants. We're not talking about It's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: not the we talk about accounting, but we talk about
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: so much more.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: So it was announced last week first ever revenue share
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: model between Netball Australia and the Diamonds. It will result
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: in significant increases for Diamonds players across the course of
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the agreement, and it's taken a huge amount of work
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: and I think both Stacey West who's the CEO of
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Netball Australia, and Catherine Harvey Williams, who's the CEO of
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the Players Asociation, should both take an enormous bow. They've
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: both worked really hard. It's been a long process, but
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: a very worthwhile one to make sure that we get
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: to the right agreement for our sport. And it essentially
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: allows for the diamonds to share in revenue, particularly as
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: revenues increase, we hope, and it allows for Netball Australia
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: to work in partnership with the players. So it gives
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: us a very base level, a certain amount of hours
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: for players so that we can so that they can
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: be utilized in campaigns and that sort of thing, which
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: result in more money coming into the sport and that
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: way more money comes into the Diamonds as well. And
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: there's a lot that goes into this. It's not just
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: going oh, well, here's the money and here's your percentage.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: You really have to negotiate down to ours and down
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: to what constitutes tools of the trade and all that
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff. So it is a huge amount of work.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: But essentially what it is is the landmark deal for
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: our sport and it's really exciting and it's been a
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: long time coming and it's it's a result of a
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: lot of hard work.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Do you think it's too late to come out of retirement?
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be nice? Hate One of the points though
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: on there was that there's an employer ambass at a
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: pool of eighty four thousand a year. What does that mean?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: That means that there is money set aside for players
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: to be utilized as their backs, that is for different
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: programs or different things. So it's extra money on top
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: that can be paid to the players for extra work.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Essentially amazing and it can't and it can't go to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: ex players who are now commentators.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: What a shame is it two and a half three
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: years ago that the relations between Australian players and Netball
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Australia were probably an all time low. So you know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: when you look at what's going on in New Zealand
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: at the moment, if they can write the ship, you know,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: it's like this is this is quite a remarkable thing
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: where the players Association and the organization have come together
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: and gone this is something where bigger pie everybody wins
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: when two and a half years ago they could barely
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: speak could they like. It's just it's just interesting from
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: an organizational perspective that this can be turned around as
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: quickly as it has.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's something that I think both organizations, both
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: and Netball Australia can be really proud of. They've both
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: leant into it and it hasn't been easy at times
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: because both organizations are really working in the same direction
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: but might have different views about different things. But to
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: actually get to the point where you can sign on.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: The dotted line is incredible.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, the guidingline has to be
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: that the players are at the heart of the game now,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: whether that's elite players or whether that's grassroots players, the
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: game exists for players and our job is to really
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: invest in these players as a way to invest in
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the growth.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: Of the game, and so they go hand in hand.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it is a remarkable turnaround, and I think
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: it's you know, it's it's exciting to think that we've
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: got to this point. But I'm also excited to think
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: about who you might get to know so good.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Hey, question around the revenue share is that on sponsorships
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: or is that ticket sales from games? Is it all inclusive?
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: How does that work?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: There's a few carve outs and I'm going into into details,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: but there's certainly you know, there's a there's a couple
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: of carve outs that included, there's things that are included
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: and like, it's not it's it's actually I feel like
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: there's a bit of witchcraft in understanding how revshare agreements
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: work because you've got to work out what's included, what
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: bucket that goes into, and the percentages. So yeah, but essentially,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the more tickets that have sold, the more sponsorships that
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: have done, the bigger the sponsorships, the better it is
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: for everyone.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Amazing, well done?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: This is this is any other sport doing this?
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Hops of other sports? Yeah, So AFL does it, rebul
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: league does it? Cricket does it? Cricket? Really?
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Do you remember the cricket dispute five or six years
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: ago and it was about the rev share And it's
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: a bit nerve wracking because you think, oh my good,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: because it's a revshare, things can move up and down.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: So that we've seen other sports do it, and you know,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: there's plenty of evidence around to show that when sports
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: do get into a revenue share arrangement with their athletes,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: their revenue increases, so it makes sense to do it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Forty increase for the player payments is unreal incredible. So
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: congrats everyone, so excited to see where our diamonds ends
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: up and where the sport ends up. But god, this
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: has been pretty bloody good thus far.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: It isn't very good.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exciting, Ut Liz Cat's just gone off to
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the bathroom. But something you'll need to turn your mind
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to now now that your team has been victorious in
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the Grand Final. Don't know whether we've mentioned that enough
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: times in this particular episode. I think that we should
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: make sure that we're talking about it our of block.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: But so, as a question on the Facebook group a
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago about sort of off season activities for
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: teams and for players, what are you going to be
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: looking for for your guys?
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: I don't want them to think about it. Nipball court.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Frankly, well, some of them are going to play in
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the Twilight competition in Ballina, and some of them have
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: made the gross mistake of signing up to play for
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: a team with their mothers and my daughter is one
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: of those who's signed to playing a team with her mother,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: so she may not survive Chilich doesn't do what I
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: tell her to do, which she's playing.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Catherine's back. Good to have you back, Catherine. So I
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: think that's.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: An interesting conversation, isn't it about like off season fitness
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: for kids?
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: And I reckon you can get too carried away with it.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Because I actually think you should just play sport, So
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: don't worry about training.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Don't worry about like, no, I've got to go and
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: get fit for netball season. Kids are little kids. Put
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: them in another sport.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: So my kids, my daughter will play basketball, just rutten
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: up and down. She plays rugby, so lots of running
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: for her. And of course we get one week off
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: and then we flick into cricket season. So I think
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: it's more off season for parents. You just need to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: change of scenery, don't you, from the netball courts to
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the cricket field.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: No. I am so excited. So we start summer netball
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: this week with gratings. It's my birthday. We're going along
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: for gradings on Saturday morning. I am sitting there with
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a cup of coffee and I'm talking through the whole thing.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not anything to do with what's happening on court.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I bring my daughter. I'm going to be talking to
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the other parents, and I'm very excited about that. And
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: that is my off season. She loves to play summer netball,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: so it's like, great, we will go and do that.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: But it's quite the holiday for me. I'm very excited
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: just enjoy put the feet up, yeah, completely.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but some of netball's fun, right, Some of netball's fun. Yeah.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: And at our association, there's lots of mixed teams and
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: there's a fast five comp and I.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Love the way they do it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Like you turn up, you don't have to bring anything,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: there's no coaching, and then you get to your court
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: and there's a school board and a set of bibs
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: and a ball in a bucket on the side, or
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: two sets of bibs and you just get on and
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: you play.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: No one love tied about uniforms or anything like that.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: So yeah, so I.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Reckon just the best thing you can do for your kids,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: particularly the younger theay. I just put them in another
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: sport across training. There's lots of science and about if
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: you push your kids and hold has your kids and
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: just make them think about one sport, they'll hate your guts.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I think that is a scientific term by the time
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: they're about sixteen. But if your kids give you kids
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to do lots of different sports, uses different muscles,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: but don't overload. Cross training keeps their bodies fresh, keeps
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: their brains fresh. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: We went yesterday to a school fate for a local
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: school down the road. It's not the school my daughter
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: goes to, but she and her dad's school were performing
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: there and so she had to go and meet the
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: teachers first. And so we're wandering around and they had
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: a great Lebanese foodstorm. So I really want a fluffle.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Role had a.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Little bit of a hangover yesterday, and so we went
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: up and we ordered white pete. I'll go to share
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: one together, and it's like, Fortunately it was about eleven
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, because I reckon they're probably still
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: making some of the orders from yesterday.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: There.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Now the processes that they had in place, all of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: these incredibly well meaning parents. You had to go to
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: one place in order and then they wrote out in
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: a receipt book what it was, so it was a
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: flufful role. And then I wanted to bully and hot
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: chili sauce, So there was no there was no abbreviation
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: of this at all. It right out the receipt one
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: flufful role, add to bully hot chili sauce, and then
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: that gets passed to someone else who then writes in
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: her lovely hendritia. Because so in the receipt book it
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: was perfect penmanship. But I just I was already getting frustrated.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: But then that gets passed along to someone who wrote
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the order again in full on the packet that they
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: make them in, and then that gets passed along to
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: someone else who who makes it and then you give
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: your payment there. But it's like, you guys, you're going
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: to drown in admin. And I couldn't. I couldn't see
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the point in any of the ADMIN. I get it
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: for accounting purposes. You kind of want to keep track,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: but like the end of the day, at those sorts
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: of school fake things, time is of the essence, right,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and it's like we're going to slip a couple of
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: dollars here and there, who knows, But right on the bag,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: get the thing made, get the money, get the person
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: out of there.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I don't see the point in fluffles when you hungover.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Speaking of seeing the point, I couldn't think of anything worse.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Fluffel would make me gag.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Really, yes, oh my god, it's the greatest.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Would you put it on my list?
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Would you go at kebab?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Kebab, yes, Not the fluffel. I think it's just too
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: strong a flavor.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: I know I'm down for kebab because it's a bit plainer, right,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Just meat or chicken.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Fluffels aren't a strong flavor. They're just chickens.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Just the greatest it's Is it the texture?
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: It could be the texture, but I don't know.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: You have to get the balance right with your tahini
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: and your hummus and your hot chili sauce.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I totally I recommend it. I needed one on Sunday
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: because my addiction turned into a halloomy making class. I
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: went to learn how to make halluomy on Saturday night.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I can't remember because it was also bottomless bubbles.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Are you any good at making halloomy?
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: No?
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: It was really good and i've still got it in
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: the fridge at home, and you put it in the
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: hot water at the end for a certain number of minutes,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: depending on how squeaky you want it.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: So when you say you put it in the hot water,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: what is it?
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Oh? It is basically full cream milk like the stuff
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: that's got the actual cream on top, good start skim milk,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: powder and some other fancy things that make it.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Do it?
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Think a rennet?
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I want to say, when it's in it, When it's
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: in it, see, I was about two or three glasses
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: of bubbles in at that point.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: Actually, rennet would be a really good scrabble word.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: It would. It would right, put that, Write that down everyone. Anyway,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: it was. It was all very fascinating. And then you
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: just fold it up and let it do its thing
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: and set in a certain shape, and then you chop
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: it up and put your bits.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: So is it like a dough that it has to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: sit and prove for a bit, doesn't?
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Okay?
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: And then once it's done that, you chop it up
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: and you put it in the hot water. But you
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: leave it in the water for however many minutes. The
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: longer you leave it, the squeakier it became Wow. Yeah,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: that's fascinating, but hell's bells not going to make it again.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: It's easy to buy.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was going to be my question, would
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: you make it again? Not at all?
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: No, No, I'll go back and drink the bubbles for
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: two hours again. That was a good fun night.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: So no dripple. We've now cooking podcast. We have great.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: It's like Gordon Ramsey I was going to say, with
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: less swearing, but I think some weeks we're not.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: We're not.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, So the recipe for you, for the recipe for
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Hallumi that you would have just got off this podcast
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: is milk, milk and champagne.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: In the water bath.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah all right, well, thank you, and you're welcome. Master chef.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Theme that is that Katie Perry song You're Hot than
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: You're Cold? Yes you no, all right.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: You're squeaky cheek to go with your squeaky.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Nies, beautiful lover. I have to do foolish words for us,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to say, in the context of what's
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: going on in New Zealand at the moment, this is
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a quote from Where's westrom Mets coach commentating on a
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: close run thing and I think we're all on the
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: edge of our seats here and where's has it right?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: When he said, well, that was a cliff dweller, So
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: what happens in New Zealand this week is going to
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: be a cliff dweller for us. But yeah, I only
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: do a really quick win beneath our wings. I'm sorry
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I haven't feared this with the committee at all, but
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I would like to nominate with La Garvey, who is
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: not only made of mine, but my coaching mentor for
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: this year. So when I was down on a number
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of occasions, she was always very helpful to me in
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: looking at things that we could specifically do as a team.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: She would come along early on a Saturday morning to
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: our games, and my game was at eight o'clock and
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: hers was at nine point thirty. So it's no small
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: thing to come along for an extra game just to
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: watch so you can give another coach some advice and support.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: But Nicola Garvey, who is also the Gladeswell Ravens Coach
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: of the Year, you are the win beneath my wings.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: And I've got a really shitty scrunchy for you here
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: to wear to sport on your lock.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: So thank you, well done, beautiful.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I home, Well, what a chat?
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: What a chat?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I think?
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: So excited all week to get together and hasn't Disappointedstball.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: We've spoken about in a while. It is it is
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: that was really all very good chat.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: It is a classic though, isn't as soon as we
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: get off air stuff happens?
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah always Hey now I'm not here next week,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: but I have a great recruit.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Make it a surprise. Let's everyone, Yeah, we've got a
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: special guest host.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Would you give us could you give us a hint? Yes,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: it's not Sue Gaudium.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: That's a really good hint.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: That isn't good.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: That narrows it down to only eight billion people.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: But everyone would think, oh, it'll be Sue again, But
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: it's not.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I'm quite happy to accept speculation on the Facebook group
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: this week. Who you think our special guest host might be?
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: In Catherine's absence? And we've all got our fingers and
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: ties cross for you that the upgrade comes through Cath.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: It won't don't be a long way to Dubai in
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: economy class at my height so and your height, it
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: will be l on earth.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Let me I will give you a clue as to
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: our guests for next week. We have mentioned their name
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: in this podcast today.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: Oh we have to there you go. Can we talk
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: about Billy ray Cyrus.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Do you want, of all the people that you can manifest,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: you want Billy ray Cyrus.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Don't know, It's just a name that popped into I
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: don't know why that popped into my head.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know why it did either, but you've got
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: to say that would be an interesting episode. And our
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: special guest host is Billy ray Cyrus, as far as
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: we know, knows nothing about netball, so.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: No, but he's got a naked, breaky heart.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, I think that we've descended into the
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: ridiculous here. Who knows what's going to happen in the
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: next week of netball. You will stop caring as of
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Wednesday when your wheels up. Have a great trip. We're
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: looking for hearing all about it when you get back.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: But Lizzie and I'll be here next week with our
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: spirtial guest, not Billy ray Cyrus. Perhaps not Billy ray Cyrus.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: I don't want to rule anybody in or out at
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: this point.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: All right, every We'll have a great week. I'm Carolyn
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Swindell Tatar.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Everybody go the Diamonds.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: What's your name was, cath Cox?
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Oh well sorry, And I'm the proud coach of the
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: mighty Headland Breakers Under fourteen's team and I'm a winner.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: Well done, winners.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: See you guys have a right way cartels, bye bye
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: bye m
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm