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The Lie of Cataclysmic, Anthropogenic Climate Change · UK Column Radio

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Today I'd like to welcome Doctor Neil McRae to this interview for
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UK column. Thank you for coming on, Neil.
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It's been great to, to, to have met you.
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Actually, I met you in Lewis in Sussex, where you, you gave me a
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copy of your book Bringing in Tooth and Floor and it's the
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most amazing. But we're going to be talking
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about that today. But I just want to just tell
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people a little bit more about you.
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Doctor McRae is a social commentator with a background in
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mental health. He was a senior lecturer at
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King's College London in 2021 when he became an officer of the
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Workers of England trade union. He's written 8 books, My
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goodness, you're prolific, including Green in Tooth and
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Claw, which I just flashed up on the screen.
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The Misanthropic mission of Climate Alarm in 2024.
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So that's a new one, isn't it? Newish 1 and Moralitis.
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Moralitis, a cultural virus with Robert Aulds in 2020.
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Neil writes regularly for critical thinking websites such
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as Off Guardian and also for The Light newspaper and you can
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follow him on Substack. What's your journey Neil?
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I mean, obviously you're working, you know, in mental
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health and that sort of thing. What?
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What made you realize there was something really amiss with the
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way that climate change was being presented?
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Well, I, I think going way back to my childhood, so I, I think
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many of us who saw through the COVID-19 fiasco and sort of
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recognized ourselves as critical thinkers, maybe for the first
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time, we identified ourselves as such.
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And, and what I've done, and probably others too, is sort of
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look back at when did I start becoming a critical thinker.
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And my favorite story about that is that when I was, when I was a
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boy and there was a big television series Dallas that
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was on. And of course, the the pantomime
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villain in Dallas was Jr. and I found myself sort of
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sympathising with the devil, if you like.
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And I thought, why, why? Why is that?
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It's actually, am I some sort of bad person that I'm siding with
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the baddie? But what I think it was is that
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I could see how all of the stories were made to manipulate
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viewers into feeling in deciding with what what one person over
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the other. And I didn't like that.
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I'd like having my thoughts manipulated.
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So that was something way back when I was about 11 or 12 years
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old perhaps. Then I started writing for
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political social commentary websites back in around 2015 and
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just at the time coming up to the the EU referendum.
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And then I saw the way in which the establishment tried to
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frustrate the democratic mandate to leave the EU.
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And that really woke me up a lot to, you know, how the system
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works or, you know, or, or fails to work as it should.
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And, and I saw through COVID-19 straight away, but, but
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meanwhile, Sandy, I was working at King's College London and
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the, the the two big things when you're working in a politically
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correct environment like a Russell Group university are the
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things that you're expected to believe are green and woke
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dogma. You know, you're you're anyone
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that questions something like Black Lives Matter in 2020 in a
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university would be persona Londrata if not put through
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disciplinary proceedings. But you're also expected to
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believe that that there's a climate emergency.
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And, and I wrote a book with Robert Olds.
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You mentioned in your introduction on something we
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called Moralitis that we referred to the sort of woke
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ideology that all the younger generations are expected to
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believe in. We, we, we wrote about that as
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a, as a virus. And it was ironic that at the
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time we were preparing that book, then we were hit with a,
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with a, with a, with another kind of virus, which was a
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pseudo pandemic, but it was labeled as a real virus.
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So there's the, there's the mind virus.
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There's a mind virus, I think. And, and that's what our our
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book was about. And it's quite clear with
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COVID-19, the source of people we were writing about is having
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this thing we called moralitis, where the people who most
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enjoyed COVID-19, who seemed to really take to it like a duck to
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water. And then last year I brought out
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my book on the other side of the coin, which is the green
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doctrine and which is not a book about the the science of climate
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change, but it's a book about the motives.
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So both green and woke are things that are being wedged
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into society for a reason that there's there's a desired
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outcome from this. And most people, of course, are
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totally oblivious to the fact that they are being manipulated
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all the time to achieve ends that are certainly not in our
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interests. Yes, I mean, we were speaking
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just before we came on about the fact that that the, you know,
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the, the Club of Rome and the WEF and the UN and the
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Trilateral Commission, all these nefarious people that are
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bringing, you know, institutions that are bringing this in.
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They know jolly well that that climate change is, is not
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anthropogenic and that it's a, a scam, but they're just using it
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to bring in the technocratic agenda.
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Could you talk a bit more because you've mentioned that in
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in Tooth and claw so well? It's a well known phenomenon
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that people that shout loudest about climate change, you know,
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powerful people that want something done about it.
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Other people are most likely to buy beachfront mansions, you
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know, so they're not that troubled by the rising sea
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levels. I've read several books and some
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very good ones that refute the claims of a climate crisis, of
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global warming, of rising sea levels, of dangerous temperature
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changes and the supposed deadly impact of carbon and carbon
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dioxide. And no matter how well written
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the book is, no matter how scientifically proficient the
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book is in in, in challenging the, the, the climate emergency,
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I always felt something missing once I've finished the book.
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Because like you've just implied, Sandy, I don't think
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the people at the top are worried at all about carbon
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dioxide. I don't think they're worried at
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all about temperature changes. I don't think they're worried at
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all about ice melting and and sea levels rising.
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They know it's a scam. And So what we, as you know,
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conspiracy theorists, if you like, what we, what we have to
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consider is, well, if it's not real, if this is being, if this
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is a hoax, as Donald Trump very forthrightly told the United
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Nations the other day, then why are they doing it?
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And that's what my book is about.
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MMM. Yes, I, I, I've, you know, I've
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read it. It's, it's, it is, it's
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amazingly easy to read. Actually, I thought it wasn't
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going to be because you don't go into, luckily the semantics of,
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of, of graphs and statistics of climate change.
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You actually really go into the, this, the, the, the socio
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cultural, the whole thing, the history and, and really how it's
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been played out and so cleverly as a scam.
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And I think that's why it's so easy to read and how I, I
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couldn't put it down. It was absolutely amazing.
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You know, it you, you also very cleverly put it, you know, quite
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rightly. I've, I've always believed in
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this, that it's become almost like a religion.
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And I'm noticing this in my own, for instance, of the where I
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live, you know, challenging town councils where even when they're
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presented with the truth, they cannot, they cannot deviate from
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the indoctrination that they've received.
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And I find this the biggest problem.
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How do you get past that, you know, do you, have you any ideas
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how one can apart from, I mean, I'm actually giving your book to
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my local climate and resilience officer to read to try and get
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some kind of reaction from her. Yeah.
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Well, it, it, it's, it's very difficult to get people who are
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absolute in their certainty that, that, that there is a
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climate crisis. You know, just as we found with
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COVID and with the, the vaccines, you know, trying to
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persuade people out of their standpoint, it is very
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difficult. And you have to think that it's
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just as difficult for us as it would be for them trying to tell
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us that the COVID vaccines were a good thing and we should take
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them or that there is a real genuine problem with global
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boiling. I mean, just think how much
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persuasion we would need to believe that well, that that the
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opposite is also true. So I think it's a it's a
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courageous move to give someone like that my book.
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Whether they would get past page one or even open the cover I'm
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not sure, but. Yeah, yeah, she's, she's
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probably one of the the more accepting on, you know, within
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the council of, of, of trying at least to understand our.
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Point of view, yes, yeah. I mean, if they do start the
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book, So what? What I really wanted to do was
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to we start that book by understanding that people in the
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green movement, at least the early green movement, had
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genuine concerns. And they're concerns that, you
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know, probably you, you and I would agree with, you know, most
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of us are against pollution, but most of us, you know, want our
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countryside to be preserved. Most of us want to live as sort
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of as natural a life as we can rather than everything being
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synthetic and possibly toxic. But this is what it's things
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that we all want. And I start the book with the
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German green movement, which was the first to really get going
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and to become mainstream. So if somebody like that who is
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working for in a council where there may be several Green Party
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members, you know, they will find themselves reading an
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opening chapter which is all about the Green Party, the Green
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Party in Germany. So hopefully they'll find that
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interesting at least and then maybe carry on reading from
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there. Exactly.
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I mean, it's really interesting how the Green Party went through
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this metamorphosis because I was in the ecology party years ago
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and, you know, we had David Bellamy, who was a real green,
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you know, sort of talking about nature and and ecology.
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And then suddenly all this money came in from somewhere and it
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changed into the Green Party and became completely different.
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It, it was all about anthropogenic climate change and
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pushing this agenda. And we saw through it.
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My friends and I that were in the, in the, in the ecology
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party at the time saw through it and left.
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I mean, I left in the early 90s because I did for a while join
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transition town movements and stuff and realized that that was
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also financed by, by, by, you know, the, the big money people
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that want to push this agenda. So, you know, we've, we've, you
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know, it, it, it, it did go through that, that
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transformation and become a Trojan horse for the
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technopathic agenda, as we know. And that's when I started
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reading, you know, Rosa Corrie's stuff, because behind the Green
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Mask was a perfect example of what I'd experienced myself.
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So, you know, your book and various other books have been
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Seminole. I mean, I think you mentioned
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James Stellingpole quite a bit in your book.
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He was amazingly before his time, you know, with
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watermelons. That was the most extraordinary
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book. And I think he exposed
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Climategate as well, didn't he? If you could you explain the
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Climategate for, for those that don't know what Climategate is.
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I'm sure a lot of people do, but some people don't still.
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But that that was massive. And we all thought, yes, this is
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this is actually going to kill the anthropogenic narrative.
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But it didn't, did it? And why?
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Yeah, well, in my book I refer to 1968 as Ano Domini of this
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sort of power religious cult, which is what, you know, the
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green dogma is. And the the Club of Rome was the
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Rockefeller funded think tank that got the climate agenda very
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much into the written into the veins and arteries of the United
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Nations. And then of course, they did
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these big global conferences, you know, most famously Rio in
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1992. But they, they, they, they saw
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early on that they needed to get this on an academic footing.
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So they were putting a lot of effort into getting sort of
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special climate change departments in, in university
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centres for studying climate change.
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And one of those was at University of East Anglia, which
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was responsible for a climate gate where it was shown that the
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data were completely manipulated.
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And, and there's money in this, you know, the, the, the, the
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more that a climate change researcher can find climate
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change, the more likely that climate change researcher will
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get promoted and continue to get large research grants.
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So it's all corrupt. And, and James Dalingpole's
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expose was one of the first really big wins that we had in,
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in battling this beast. The other one earlier on was the
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hockey stick graph, which was as as one big lie.
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I mean, what I don't understand is that, that there was a big
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court case about that in America and it was proved that, that
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they did manipulate the graph and, and, and, and put the, you
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know, the, the temperature going up in a big acoustic.
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So why, why has it all still carried on?
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It's just, it's, it's almost as though it's been brushed under
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the carpet. You know what?
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That was massive. Something, something that Donald
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Trump and, and this was featured on UK colon earlier this week,
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Donald Trump's address to the United Nations where he he
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mentioned various predictions about these terrible things that
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would happen to the the planet. And of course, none of them have
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come true. And I, I've got a list of them
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in the book, you know, things that were said in, in, in an
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80s, nineties, noughties that apparently it was, it was, it
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would never snow again in Europe, for example, the, the,
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the, the, the, the Himalayas would, would have, would have
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met all the, all the glaciers and snow top mountains that
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would all have melted. You know, some ridiculous claims
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were, were made, but they had to be the, the, the more outlandish
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the claims, the more that person who, who issued those claims
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would, would get on, would get promoted, would get more money,
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would get more publicity. So it's all a very, very corrupt
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system. But but yes, there's, there's a
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litany of these claims of things that would happen in say, 20
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years time that we can now show that haven't happened at all.
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One, one of them is, you know, the sea levels rising.
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And if you listen to most ordinary people there, there is
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a lot of scepticism actually. And opinion polls show that
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there's only about 50% of the public that really believe
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there's a climate emergency. But if you work in particular
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environments like a university, then most people do believe it.
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Certainly the intelligentsia, the more educated to get you
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get, the more people believe in these things.
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And they will really have taken that on faith that the sea
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levels are gradually rising. And I will sometimes ask
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somebody who's challenging me in the street when I'm giving out
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the Light newspaper, which has got a lot of sceptical stuff
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about climate change and, and our yellow boards swell, you
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know, asserting that there's, there isn't really anything to
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worry about in terms of the, the global warming.
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But people just sometimes challenge us on the street as to
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how, how can you, how Can you believe that?
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And I, I, I say, well, look, one of the claims is that the, the,
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the sea levels are continually, continually rising and people
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can think back to that film Independence Day now, which in.
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Manhattan. But the Statue of Liberty, the,
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the sea hasn't risen at all. You know, I mean, it should be,
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it should be like wetting the sort of lower reaches of the, of
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the skirt by now. No, it hasn't.
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There's been no, no rise on the Statue of Liberty.
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And I think that is quite a good illustration for people, because
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that would be a clear marker, wouldn't it, of whether the sea
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levels really are rising. And and then people somehow say,
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well, it might not be rising there, but it's rising in other
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places. So I say, well, what about the
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Maldives? They didn't.
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They didn't go, did they? They're still there.
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And they're building more luxury hotels there all the time.
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Yeah, I mean. It's more likely that the
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Maldives will sink really than than be than sea level rising.
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I mean, it's a bit like Venice, isn't it?
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The weight of. All that building, yeah, yes.
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Exactly, exactly. It's interesting because when, a
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few years ago, when I was, you know, I, I was doing a sort of a
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tour with, with Mark Windows, Piers, Piers Corbin and myself.
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And I was, I was speaking about Agenda 21 as it was then.
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It wasn't even 2030 then. And Piers was talking about
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weather and and climate and Mark was talking about
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communitarianism. And we did this tour all over
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England. And one of the places we've to
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was a place called Fairborn in, in North Wales.
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And it's a little town. I mean, it's a, it's, it's
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almost like a village, a very 60s village.
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And it's been designated as a managed retreat.
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It's like what they're doing in Australia and New Zealand.
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They're evacuating or they've told all the people there that
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they're, they will have to evacuate by 20-30 or before
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20-30 because of sea level rise. And it's mainly 60s bungalows
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that were built there. It's a little enclave of 60s
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bungalows right now by the sea. And further along is Barmouth,
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which hasn't been told to evacuate because it's actually a
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much more sort of upmarket town, Victorian town.
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And it's. Anyway, we went and did a talk
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there and of the year before I think Mark could take Neils Axel
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Mourner, the world authority on climate on the sea level rise,
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Doctor Neils Axel Mourner and he he identified that there was no
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sea level rise at all. And it instructed the people to
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stay put. You do not have to sell your
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homes that knock down prices because that's what they wanted.
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Because actually it was, it was right in the Snowdonia National
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Park and they wanted to, to turn it into a, a wildlife sanctuary
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for wading birds. So you can see how, you know,
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through the Ramsar Treaty, all of this was designated a long
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time ago as, as, as areas that were, were, were were going to
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be flooded because that's what they wanted it to do.
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And they'd actually taken the sea wall down in order that
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their prophecy came true. I mean, there were lots of
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nefarious things going on, but I was pleased to see that most of
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the people that are living there are staying put.
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And they've said we are not going to move.
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We refuse to move. And I was really pleased about
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that. I saw an article a couple of
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days ago. So yeah, I it, it is.
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And James Lovelock also said that we were going to be
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underwater. And he's done the 360 on what he
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believes in now. So, you know, those narratives
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of flooding are hopefully well, what the.
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Global warming lobby will use is any weather event that they can,
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you know, say is evidence of climate change.
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And they will also use the ongoing process of coastal
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change. So if you take the Suffolk
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coast, the erosion there is, is ongoing and the sea is, is, is
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taking more and more of those that sort of the sort of shingle
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beaches away. And the climate change lobby
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will say, well, look, here's evidence of the sea level
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rising. But of course, what's all that's
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happening is that what's taken from Suffolk is donated to
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Norfolk. And if you take a place like
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Wales next to the sea, it's become a misnomer now because
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like the sink ports in, in Sussex where, where, where,
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where I live. But these places are far in land
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now because of the, the, the silting up of the what, what off
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the, off the coastline. So Wales next to sea in Norfolk
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is now a good 2 miles or so inland.
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And that's a process that is ongoing, that Norfolk is taking
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more and more of what's carted off by the sea from Suffolk.
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Yes, indeed. I mean, Erosion's a completely
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different argument and they're trying to conflate it.
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It's a bit like here on the. I don't know whether it's
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happening. I used to live on the Romney
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Marsh and that was always. That's below sea level,
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actually. And, and here in Somerset it's
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very similar where you've got a a whole load of reams and
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ditches that actually drain the land that's been in place for
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for hundreds of years. I think the Dutch taught the
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British how to do it. But at the moment, the
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Environment Agency are refusing to dredge the reams like they
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did in 2014. And they're refusing to keep up
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the the culverts and the pumping stations and the the ways of the
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means of draining it. So if we get any severe rainfall
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this winter, they will say this is this is climate change, this
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is sea level rises. But actually it's by design.
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And we know that. And The thing is that it's, you
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know, our, our farmland is being destroyed in lots of other ways.
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The destruction of British farming is this is unbelievable
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at the moment. Yeah, this will put, you know,
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put the land in danger again because they're, they're blaming
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it on climate change and sea levels and.
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And there's a particularly speculative chapter in my book
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called Making It Happen. So if, if I'm asked, do you
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think there's man made climate change, I actually have to be a
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bit more thoughtful with my answer now, because there isn't
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man made climate, climate change in the way that they're telling
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us, you know, that we're all consuming too much carbon and so
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on. It's that they're actually
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manipulating the, the weather now.
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And if they can manipulate the weather, you, you'll get to a
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point where they're actually going to change the climate.
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And, and they're not even hiding this.
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I mean, the the the British government is announced as its
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funding research on dimming the sun.
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I don't think any of us voted for that, did we?
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No. Exactly, exactly.
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I mean, yeah, it's a it's a full on assault literally on
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everything to to bring about, you know, to to almost make
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their, their claims self fulfilling prophecies.
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And it is all by design. It's problem, reaction,
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solution. It's there.
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They create the problem and and they're doing it here.
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I mean, the the fact that the Environment Agency are now not
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doing the job they should do and they're now holding all these
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different. They're kind of consultations
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around the coastline of Somerset saying, you know, we've got to
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prepare. We've got to prepare for
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resilience because of sea level wise.
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You know that the levels are going to flood because of sea
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level wise. We need flood wardens.
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They're recruiting volunteers to be flood wardens and really,
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really pushing this whole thing that we're going to be flooded.
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So it's almost like, you know, we create the problem and then
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we flood and then solution is, you know, and the solution is
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basically that the farmland is degraded and they can anybody
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can then buy it up at rock bottom price, which is exactly
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what will happen. And it's it's absolutely
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horrendous what's going on in farming here in in some search,
28:56
as you say. Everything is by design, by some
29:02
Grand Master plan that's been concocted.
29:06
And the the difficulty for us is, you know, we get asked quite
29:11
reasonably, who do you mean by they?
29:14
And that's a difficult question to answer.
29:17
And I think we can all have educated guesses about who's
29:27
running the show, but I think it's a general rule if if, if
29:32
we're given names of people, if we are shown people's faces and
29:37
they will not be at the top of the tree 100%.
29:42
Yeah, yeah. And there's lots of obviously
29:45
there's lots of actors within this.
29:48
You are in the that you've got your Class 12, you've got your
29:51
Bill Gates, you've got all those people.
29:53
But they are, you know, I get the feeling, I'm sure you'll
29:56
agree is that they're the pockets, they're the ones that
29:59
are are playing it all out. It's like it's almost like some
30:04
theatre show that we're we're observing and and and King
30:08
Charles, you know, you you mentioned him in the book and
30:11
you know, you mentioned the wonderful Jean Veon, who I've
30:16
got her book, one of her books, which is United Nations global
30:20
straitjacket. And I'm also this is sustainable
30:24
prints. Now, that book I found
30:26
fascinating and you mention it. So what's what's going on with
30:29
Prince Charles? You know, the Green King, He's
30:32
pushing this agenda like crazy. And what, what do you make of
30:36
him? And, and obviously we've then
30:38
got William doing the Earth shot stuff as well.
30:41
So, yeah, yeah. Well, there are some people who
30:49
believe that the British aristocracy is still running the
30:55
world and, and I think that there is probably at least some
30:59
merit to that, that the British royal family is, you know, is
31:07
working very much behind the scenes.
31:10
I mean, Charles will do some of this overtly, but he'll only do
31:14
it overtly when it looks like he's just coming out with some.
31:18
You know what they used to say about Charles, He used to talk
31:21
to his flowers, didn't they? You know, that he's just a, he's
31:24
just a caring, the person who's into, into nature, you know, but
31:33
the, the, the, the British royal family, I, I, I think very much
31:39
for, for, for decades, for a couple of centuries have been
31:43
involved in the eugenics movement.
31:47
And the United Nations appears to have had a eugenics agenda
31:54
since it started after the Second World War.
31:58
And Julian Huxley, who was appointed as the first director
32:02
of the UN's scientific agency, you know, he he would say an
32:09
unashamed eugenicist and he said, you know, following the
32:13
Second World War where the Nazis gave his whole concept of
32:19
eugenics a bad name. Julian Huxley said basically
32:24
said in his opening speech since 1948 for the UNESCO, he said he
32:31
basically said, I mean, I'm paraphrasing eugenics is dead.
32:35
Long live eugenics. And what what happened is that
32:38
it was re cloaked in the colour green.
32:44
But I think if I may go back about a century before that,
32:50
because I think there are many key developments in the 19th
32:56
century that led us to where we are today.
33:00
I mean, obviously the work of Charles Darwin is important, but
33:06
let's not forget Karl Marx, because Marx of course, wrote
33:14
Communist Manifesto. He worked with Friedrich Engels,
33:18
who is very much part of the upper class.
33:23
You know, he was a fox hunting man and he, Engels very much was
33:35
instrumental really in getting Marx's work known and published.
33:42
And Karl Marx, of course, is still today celebrated as the
33:47
founder of communism and of the, the, the the labour movement.
33:55
He was a revolutionary and at the time he was writing, there
33:59
were revolutions going on across Europe and he had a safe haven
34:06
living here in in London. Was Marx really writing for the
34:16
benefits of the ordinary people? Yes, he was promoting
34:22
revolution, but not a revolution that would really lead to
34:28
freedom and equality and, you know, better lifestyles for all
34:36
of us. What Karl Marx was doing, I
34:40
believe was he was working for the powers that be.
34:47
And what they wanted to do was that since, you know, the, the
34:52
Enlightenment, which we, you know, sort of traced back to
34:55
what the 16th, 17th century, around that time, the
35:00
Enlightenment had led to all kind of philosophical discourses
35:04
about liberty. John Locke, for example, Tom
35:09
Paine, the rights of man, the American Revolution, you know,
35:16
and the Bill of Rights in, in, in Britain that that there is a
35:21
lot of movement towards people being more free, being able to
35:27
choose for themselves, having individual rights.
35:32
It's really the growth of individualism in in the West.
35:37
And the people in power didn't want that.
35:41
And So what they did was they created this thing called
35:45
communism and they wanted to bring in communism in, in, in,
35:53
in Europe, Western Europe, but of course it didn't really
35:56
appeal to people. But they did manage to impose it
36:00
in Russia and in China, in the, the, the Middle East and large
36:09
parts of Asia. They didn't need communism
36:12
because they've got Islam and Islam is the most collectivist
36:17
rule bound of religions. So people are already
36:20
collectivised. So the point of communism was to
36:23
collectivise people, put them under the yoke of the of a
36:28
ruling class, and to pretend that this is something that's
36:33
for their benefits. You know, it's, it's about
36:35
equality, it's an egalitarian libertarian thing when it's the
36:39
very opposite. But communism never really
36:41
appealed to Western Europeans because we had our heritage of
36:48
of rights and liberties. And that's why they invented the
36:53
climate crisis, because the climate crisis would be a way in
36:59
which they could force collectivisation on people.
37:05
And if people, maybe listeners are wondering, well, how is that
37:09
collectivising people? Well, let's go back to February
37:14
2020, just before a month before the COVID lockdown.
37:21
And I can't remember if I've got this story in the in the book,
37:24
but let me just very quickly say it now is they invented this
37:30
toilet roll crisis. And it was very real because it
37:35
was in all the media, you know, that all the supermarkets
37:38
running out of toilet paper, you know, this indispensable
37:42
product, a very highly visible, very well chosen toilet paper
37:47
because it's such a highly visible bulky product.
37:50
It was a completely invented scarcity.
37:54
But the reason that they did that, I believe is that they
37:58
wanted something to show an individualist culture like we
38:03
have in Britain. They wanted to show society that
38:09
if you leave things to individuals, then you have the
38:13
law of the jungle, You have some people selfishly buying up all
38:17
the toilet rolls in the shop and a little old lady goes without,
38:24
you know. So what we need is this to be
38:28
controlled, like rationed if you like, and that's for the greater
38:32
good. And that is how collectivism is
38:35
always sold. It's for the greater good.
38:38
And if you look at the green messages that that school
38:42
children are given, it's always around this theme of we have to
38:48
do this because it's for the greater good.
38:52
It's interesting. Isn't it because it's, it's like
38:54
uniting everybody under a common threat?
38:57
And that's what they did in, in, in the, the first global
39:01
revolution that that Club of Rome report where they're
39:05
chucking around ideas about scapegoating, you know, saying,
39:09
oh, you know, the world's been, you know, it's, it's one of the
39:11
best things that you can do is, is, is, you know, divert
39:15
attention abroad for a reason or, or an invented reason.
39:20
And they, they were talking about scapegoating in that
39:22
chapter. I can't remember.
39:24
I think it's an on page 100. And 15 or something like that of
39:29
the of the first global revolution.
39:31
And then they decide that, that they need to find a scapegoat to
39:35
unite humanity. And they found that scapegoat
39:39
and that scapegoat was humanity itself.
39:42
So that proves that they literally made it up.
39:46
They made-up the whole, they they were chucking around ideas.
39:50
They said, well, perhaps we can use, you know, earthquake, some
39:53
kind of earth, some kind of tragedy, but well, not tragedy,
39:57
but cataclysm, whatever it might be, it could be famine, it could
40:00
be, it could be climate change. They, or they called it global
40:03
warming. Then it could be global warming,
40:05
it could be earthquakes, could be flooding.
40:07
We'll, we'll try and unite them. And we thought that global
40:10
warming would fit the bill. So they, they, they, they found
40:14
their, their reason for uniting the humanity under that common
40:18
threat. Well, so they, they just open
40:21
it. I see.
40:24
Climate change and COVID-19 as a sort of twin hoaxes, but one of
40:32
them is a much longer running project.
40:35
I mean, the, the, the, the climate thing has been, has been
40:39
going on really since, you know, you go back to when Julian
40:44
Huxley spoke at UNESCO back in 1948 when it was declared that
40:50
the new thing would be it's sort of ecological concern.
40:58
COVID-19 was a much more sudden means of bringing in the sorts
41:08
of changes that they want. It was a giant stride for what
41:11
Klaus Schwab called the Great Reset and Matthias Desmond, the
41:19
Belgian psychologist, He wrote about what they've done with
41:26
COVID in getting everyone or the vast majority of people to go
41:31
along with this scam. To believe that there's this
41:34
deadly pandemic and to believe that we all need to keep getting
41:38
tested all the time and that we need to wear masks and that then
41:41
we need to wait for our vaccines and take as many of these as
41:48
we're ordered to. Because we all need to not just
41:54
look after ourselves, but we need to, we need to say, granny,
41:59
you know, that kind of thing. We need to think about each
42:02
other and not just be sort of self-centered.
42:07
And so this was a very much a manipulated thing, which
42:12
Matthias testament called mass formation.
42:16
So mass formation is where majority of society gets
42:24
consumed with this particular belief system.
42:31
And like you've just said a few moments ago, to strengthen that
42:36
belief system, there needs to be outsiders, scapegoats in with
42:42
COVID. It was the the the anti vaxxers,
42:48
that was the term that they used.
42:50
It's sort of like a modern day witchcraft thing, wasn't it?
42:54
But Matthias Desmond said it's important that critical
42:57
thinkers, they don't need to be, we don't need to be anything
43:00
like 50% because we are only about 5 to 15% of society.
43:08
But it's in. But it's important that we hold
43:13
firm, we don't overreact, we keep our cool, we try and use
43:17
persuasion and never violence, and that we help to unmask the,
43:27
the, the, the, the, the, the mass formation.
43:30
And in my book, there's, I think it's in a concluding chapter.
43:37
So I've referred throughout the book to the sort of
43:41
demoralization process that you could, that's the powers that be
43:46
can weaken society, weaken people by stripping away their
43:50
traditional mores and family bonds and that sort of thing.
43:57
You know, this has been going on for a long time and that's why
44:00
the woke ideology is pushed because it smashes the, the,
44:07
the, the, the sort of cohesion of society and, and culture.
44:14
So. Sorry, I was just going to say
44:17
that. I, I, I think what we need to
44:19
understand about how to deal with this, how to change, how to
44:23
try and reverse this process, is that just as society has been
44:29
demoralised, and I don't just mean made to feel unhappy, as
44:33
we, you know, in lay use of the term demoralisation, no demoral,
44:41
demoral. They've taken away our morale
44:45
and so we need to remoralise society.
44:51
Yeah, I love that. I.
44:52
Love that section actually the, the end of your book where you,
44:56
you say, you know, demoralisation is not
44:59
irreversible and that that remoralisation can be achieved.
45:05
And, and I love the way you also, you know, you, you
45:07
mentioned about the Amish and, and how powerful their culture
45:12
is. And, and that not that we could
45:15
all be, we should all become Amish, but certainly things can
45:18
be learnt from the way that they operate because they don't, they
45:22
don't interact with technology. And that it was interesting that
45:26
during the pandemic they had a much better immune system within
45:30
their within their their communities because they didn't
45:35
they didn't go for the vaccine and they've got they've they've
45:39
got very high proceeds against things.
45:41
Yeah, I. Think a powerful tool that we
45:44
can use is is humor and the the use of memes on online.
45:50
And there's that wonderful piece of the Amish where where where
45:58
chap is asked So how come you've got so little COVID?
46:03
And he says because we don't have television, exactly.
46:09
Exactly. Simple.
46:11
Simple, isn't it? And and some there's something
46:13
about the way they live. It's just so simple.
46:17
And so it, it really is the antithesis of the way things are
46:20
going now. And in a way, I, I kind of
46:24
Revere that I think, you know, put on you, you're not, you're
46:27
not buying into this whole thing because the best thing that we
46:30
could do in order to stop all this is to live life and to be
46:34
honest. But at the moment we, we, you
46:37
know, particularly doing the work we're doing, we have to
46:39
engage with it. But the majority of people kind
46:42
of use that the technology is entertaining, you know, don't
46:46
they? So a rejection of it would be
46:49
really wise. But whether that would be
46:51
achieved, I don't think so. I mean, we talk about the fact
46:54
that parallel systems aren't, you know, are easier said than
46:59
done. And I think that's a very wise
47:04
comment because people are trying to set up their parallel
47:06
systems. But will they work, you know,
47:09
will they work within the framework that we have now, do
47:14
you think? Yeah, and I think we need to
47:19
persevere and we need to learn lessons as we go along.
47:24
You know, there's plenty of us. I mean, I think I've got more
47:31
friends now than I've ever had because COVID-19 was a fantastic
47:38
social event for us because we started getting together with
47:41
people of like minds and we maybe lost some of the people
47:46
who we found were not such not not we were that we're so
47:54
conducive to our kind of thinking or more likely they
47:58
dumped us. But we've got a, we've got new
48:03
friends now and we're building networks, we're building our own
48:11
communities. I mean that you could say is
48:14
what UK column is doing, yeah. Thank you.
48:18
Yes, it's, it's true. I mean, I think, you know, the
48:21
stand in the park, I mean initiatives like stand in the
48:25
Park, immensely powerful. I mean, that kind of really
48:28
strengthened everyone's resolve. Just meeting on a Sunday in the
48:32
park was so powerful because it created these networks.
48:36
The yellow boards also rebels on roundabouts.
48:39
That was, you know, you mentioned both of those in your
48:41
book, so powerful and, and how people can really gain, you
48:47
know, some kind of cohesion against these narratives by
48:51
using red, you know, yellow boards and and and gathering and
48:56
standing in the parks and creating these networks.
48:59
It is a really good thing and thank yes and and and.
49:03
We, we don't want to be insular. You know, I think we're, we're
49:08
always trying and the UK column is doing this, the light
49:13
newspapers doing this, you and I are doing this.
49:16
And our various exploits is we're, we're trying to reach
49:20
people who may be just beginning to think that things aren't
49:26
right, that, you know, they're starting to doubt what they're
49:34
told by the mainstream media, you know, and I, and I think one
49:40
of the, it's not the only reason, but one of the reasons
49:43
why the, the, the, the newspapers are not, are hardly
49:48
selling at all now is that a lot of people realise by now that
49:53
they're not being given the whole truth.
49:55
They're being given a manipulated version of events.
50:00
And many things are being completely omitted that are
50:04
going on in the world. So often now when I'm doing
50:09
outreach, giving out light newspapers, I, I have people
50:13
including, you know, some who you might think would have been,
50:16
you know, some people in their 70s and 80s who you know, I
50:20
often use as a line when I'm giving out the newspaper.
50:23
I say all the news you don't get on the BBC.
50:26
And you'd be surprised at how many, even elderly people now
50:31
say, say I, I, I would trust anything the BBC told me.
50:37
So there, there has been quite a shift, I think, Yeah.
50:41
Yeah, it's been a big, big shift and you know it.
50:45
We're we're living in this time where I always feel we're on
50:48
that tipping point, you know, when it when it literally takes
50:51
off the that the people do wake up.
50:55
I hate that word, that phrase wake up, but they do somehow
51:01
begins, you know, they have a light bulb moment and and you
51:05
spoke about before we came on. You spoke about the the March
51:08
and Saturday because I didn't go because I mean, I'm not sure
51:13
about definitely not sure about Tony Robinson.
51:16
And there was but that March turned into something else and a
51:20
lot of people were putting it down saying it's everybody's
51:22
becoming right wing in the UK. That isn't true.
51:25
The most the majority of those people marching were not right
51:29
wing or, you know, in any way thugs.
51:33
They a lot. It became, I think, something
51:37
more than Tommy Robinson's narrative that it was he he
51:40
probably imagined it would be. And.
51:44
And I thought Musk, you know, shouting for people to fight was
51:48
very engineered. And when they tore up the
51:53
Palestinian flag on stage, people booed.
51:56
And that I think the March, you were there.
51:59
Tell me how you felt on that March.
52:01
Yeah, Well, well. There were two events on 13th
52:04
September 2025, one of which I wrote about on my substance,
52:10
which is the March that I went to, which was easily 1,000,000
52:15
people. And I'm, I'm not just saying
52:17
that flippantly. You know, I've been to many
52:19
marches over the the years and I, you know, the, the 110,000,
52:25
the sort of spurious precision by the Met Police.
52:29
Look, the numbers given for these rallies are highly
52:32
politicized. And, you know, that would be the
52:35
ordinary police officers view of the day.
52:38
But it'd be what, you know, like the Met Police high command, you
52:42
know, getting together with Khan and Keir Starmer's government
52:45
would have decided that's the most we're going to say, you
52:48
know, we'll just, you know, don't make it.
52:51
We don't make it too unbelievable, but we'll, we'll,
52:53
we'll, we'll, we'll lessen it by we'll, we'll decimate it as it,
52:59
which is the true definition of decimate.
53:02
But it was a wonderful experience.
53:05
I mean, I wasn't going to go. I only decided more or less on
53:07
the day that I I should go. So I'm not too far away and I
53:12
can at least write an article about it.
53:14
So I, I went along it, it, it was, it was really an amazing
53:20
experience. It was just a scene of ordinary
53:24
people who are patriotic, who are concerned about their
53:28
country and the way things are going.
53:31
They see Kia Starmer's government as the kind of the
53:40
worst that we've had yet and, and they worry that things will
53:43
only keep getting worse unless they make a stand.
53:47
And that's why they all came to London that day.
53:49
People coming from the north of Scotland, you know, people
53:52
spending quite a lot of money to come and be there that day.
53:55
But I'm sure all of them, everyone that went would be glad
53:59
that they did go. And then there's the second
54:01
event, which is the one that you referred to some moments ago,
54:05
which was the stage show in Whitehall, which was very much
54:11
funded by Zionist Mobby clear, some pro Israel kind of
54:19
messages, but only at the most 5%, if that of the, the, the
54:29
million people at that rally would would have got into
54:33
Whitehall. In fact, I, I managed to sneak
54:36
in just before the police closed it off because it was already
54:39
full and I didn't stay long, right.
54:43
But so I wouldn't, I'm not too concerned about the messages
54:50
that were given from the stage because to me that's not the
54:53
important event. The important event was the
54:56
ordinary people coming on Mass to London that day, and they
55:04
will come again, yeah. I think that's a really, really
55:10
important message to, to get to people because I, I did, I had
55:15
friends on March and I was worried about them going.
55:18
And it apparently it was, it was just a, a, a lovely peaceful
55:23
March. I mean, when you think that the
55:25
only, only arrests were 20, I think it was 24 arrests in
55:30
millions of people, it just shows you how.
55:34
Yeah. And if I could.
55:35
Quickly say about the, the the arrest, because that that
55:38
obviously is what the newspapers and the the broadcast media
55:42
photos. It was.
55:43
It was. It was.
55:44
Engineered wasn't it because they sent people down?
55:48
So there was no need for the police to allow the counter
55:55
protest to end up on the same St. as the the the the the the
56:02
the main rally. No need at all.
56:04
They could have been sent off to High Park, right?
56:08
They deliberately they deliberately sent.
56:11
Them into the face of. The altercation and they also
56:16
made it that people coming down, you know, people arriving a bit
56:21
late. I mean the crowds were
56:23
incredible. So people coming down through
56:26
Trafalgar Square to get to the rally found that their path was
56:29
blocked by the police and it was an it was obviously intended as
56:36
a flashpoint to get arrests of the headline, but they did the
56:41
same with the anti lockdown marches.
56:45
Yes, I was. There.
56:46
Yeah, yeah, I was there. I remember being in Hyde Park at
56:50
the end of the the March and there were millions, I mean
56:54
millions of people. And at the end of the night,
56:57
it's a really sunny day. We went into Hyde Park for for
57:00
families to have picnics, you know, after, after the March.
57:04
And we were all sitting there and I'd seen these big vans of
57:08
Territorial support units, troops, I cool troops being, you
57:16
know, being being bussed in. And I thought, well, they
57:18
haven't brought those out, you know, that's good.
57:21
And as we were sitting there, they came in and they were
57:25
attacking people sitting, having a picnic in order to create some
57:31
kind of scuffle. But what was great is the men
57:36
all suddenly became men. They were absolutely amazing.
57:38
And they pushed the police back and protected the women and
57:42
children. And they had to retreat.
57:45
And they were trying to create a scuffle.
57:48
Well, not a scuffle, a massive riot, actually.
57:51
And it didn't work. And the men stood up and
57:54
protected the women and children, which I was absolutely
57:58
knocked out by because the police were on the attack.
58:01
They wanted. They wanted trouble.
58:04
This is the way what we can see now, the way it's, it happens.
58:08
So we can actually, you know, account for it and, and, and,
58:12
and be aware. Yeah, yeah.
58:16
Yeah. So we're coming almost to the
58:20
end. We've got a few minutes, yeah.
58:22
Neil What? What do you?
58:25
Is there anything you want to say about the, you know, the
58:29
stage we're at at the moment? I mean, in, in your book, you,
58:33
you sort of say, you know, are we in living in Oceania, you
58:36
know, from 1984 and you've got, you know, Eurasia, which is
58:41
Russia and, and East Asia, which is China.
58:45
Are we in that, that reality that, that that was spoken about
58:51
in, you know, or spoke about in 1984 or?
58:54
Do you think? That we will somehow get over
58:57
this, yeah. There's a part of me that
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doesn't want to believe that Vladimir Putin and Russia are in
59:06
on this. But but I, I think they are.
59:12
I think that China and Russia, you know, the Eurasia and East
59:16
Asia that was in George Orwell's book were part of the same show.
59:22
I mean, those perpetual wars in the book 1984, they might not be
59:27
real wars, but the, the, the establishment just needed to
59:33
tell the people they were at war because it kept them, you know,
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as a constant state of emergency.
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If you look at COVID-19, the Chinese and the Russians were,
59:45
were just as much following the, the global the pandemic regime
59:51
as, as there in the West. And so, you know, I, I, I do
59:58
fear that that they will all in on it.
1:00:02
And I remember David Icke wrote about China being a laboratory,
1:00:08
you know, the, the communist system in China started what,
1:00:11
1949? And.
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If, if, if, if you look at where COVID started, supposedly Wuhan
1:00:20
Institute of Virology, you know, China being a secretive
1:00:26
communist totalitarian regime. So no one can really find out
1:00:30
what's really going on in China. So it's ideal, It's an ideal
1:00:34
place to do all kinds of things. I've introduced a social credit
1:00:37
system, which of course the West is following, you know, just
1:00:42
maybe take a little bit more time.
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The Chinese people have been well and truly collectivized for
1:00:48
a long time now. They, they, they're used to it.
1:00:50
They know, they know that they can't resist their, their, their
1:00:54
government. But I also think that big
1:00:59
decisions were made at the end of the Second World War, which
1:01:04
touches on some of the key conspiracy theories that are
1:01:08
around. So what one of the perhaps one
1:01:10
of the most favorite conspiracy theories of all is about the
1:01:15
moon landings. And you know, there's quite wide
1:01:22
discrediting now disbelief of the official moon landing story.
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But still, let me say the vast majority of people believe it.
1:01:29
Children are taught it at school.
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I believe that around time the Potsdam Conference in 1945,
1:01:40
Stalin, Truman and Churchill and it's often said that Stalin was
1:01:50
kind of kept out of what was really happening.
1:01:52
You know, it's Truman and Churchill where having their
1:01:57
their their own conversations after the official meetings,
1:02:02
right. But Churchill lost the general
1:02:05
election in in at the end of the first week of that fortnight at
1:02:09
the Potsdam Conference. And so he was replaced by
1:02:12
Clement Attlee. But I think what's becoming more
1:02:14
apparent now is that Churchill was the one who was being kept
1:02:19
out of the real conversations. Because what what Churchill
1:02:22
believed is that he was that that that he was Privy to the
1:02:28
secret of the atom born. And I believe, and I think this
1:02:35
may be pushing and many, even many of the UK column audience a
1:02:41
bit too far, but I don't believe the Hiroshima and Nagasaki
1:02:46
events where atomic bombs, I believe they were nape arms just
1:02:50
like other Japanese. It is.
1:02:53
But I believe a deal was made between Stalin and the American
1:02:58
government that they would have this big scary thing for nuclear
1:03:03
weapons and that they would have a kind of schedule where
1:03:07
countries would gradually, you know, get this, this thing, you
1:03:14
know, first Russians and the British, French and then the
1:03:17
Chinese and so on. And it's still controlled like
1:03:20
that today and, and around, you know, maybe not at the Potsdam
1:03:25
Conference, but I think probably in a few, within a few years of
1:03:30
the Second World War, they made a similar pact, unwritten pact
1:03:36
about space exploration that they would, you know, and a deal
1:03:41
was made that the Russians would be the first to get a man in
1:03:44
space, Yuri Gagarin. The Americans would be the first
1:03:47
to the moon. And I believe both of those are
1:03:51
hoaxes, just like climate change and COVID-19.
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Absolutely. I mean, yeah, the, the, the, the
1:04:01
you there. There's all sorts of.
1:04:05
If you zoom in. On some of the photographs you
1:04:07
can see the tinfoil on some of the photographs of the the
1:04:12
equipment they had. And I could never work out that
1:04:14
moon buggy because it wouldn't have fitted into that shuttle.
1:04:18
Was it some kind of Lego kit they put together once we got
1:04:21
there? I mean all sorts of crazy things
1:04:23
and didn't, oh, what's, what's the guy's name?
1:04:26
Who was the the film director? Isn't my brain's gone?
1:04:32
Yeah. Didn't he, didn't he sort of say
1:04:36
on, on, on, you know, before he died that that in fact it was,
1:04:40
or maybe it didn't die that in fact it was.
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It was all staged. Yeah.
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It. Wasn't staged though it.
1:04:46
Was the other thing, as did Buzz.
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Aldrin. Yeah, Buzz Aldrin said that too.
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I can't. It wasn't Spielberg.
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Who was it? It was it was some guy that
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before he died, Stanley Kubrick. Oh, Stanley Kubrick.
1:04:59
Of course it was the guy in 2001 guy.
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He was he sorry, my brain just I lost his name.
1:05:04
But he he said that that he was asked to to because of 2001.
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He was asked to do the staging because it looked, you know, it
1:05:16
was, you know, the, the visuals on on 2001 was so convincing
1:05:22
that they could recreate it. And he blew the whistle before
1:05:25
he passed on, which is great. Yeah, no, you're right.
1:05:30
It's all been a bit, you know, what do we know?
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You know, this is how they control us through fear.
1:05:35
You know, when I was growing up, it was nuclear Armageddon.
1:05:40
And, you know, now it's the a, a, a desperate rush to save the
1:05:48
planets from runaway global warming.
1:05:53
Yeah, we had the Cuban. Crisis When I was a child and I
1:05:57
was, I was terrified. You know, I, I, I picked up on
1:06:00
the news. I was only tiny, but I remember
1:06:02
packing all my toys into a box and my mother said, what are you
1:06:06
doing? And I said, we're going to war,
1:06:08
aren't we? Because I've been overhearing
1:06:10
the news. I think it was a conspiracy
1:06:12
theoristic fall. So.
1:06:14
So I, yeah, that that whole thing is, is is emotive that
1:06:18
we've been brought up with fear, fear of war, fear of pandemics,
1:06:22
fear of everything. So I think getting out the fear
1:06:27
is, is probably the mantra of the day.
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Don't, don't buy into the fear. Yeah.
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Yeah, indeed. Well, I think we're nearly.
1:06:35
We're nearly done. Is there anything else you'd
1:06:37
like to say? No, I'd just like to say keep,
1:06:42
keep up all the good work you're, you're, you're doing,
1:06:45
Sandy. And, you know, I, I think it's
1:06:51
very important to have some, you know, such calm and reasonable
1:06:58
voices like, like yours, because among us critical thinkers,
1:07:03
there's a lot of absolutists who don't take any prisoners.
1:07:07
But, but we do, we do need to have the right manner if we're
1:07:13
going to persuade anyone. We can't just force ideas down
1:07:18
people's throats. We have to, we have to be tensed
1:07:21
to. And I think that's what's good
1:07:24
about, you know, getting out the right newspaper, which, you
1:07:29
know, people might not read it. Some maybe only read one or two
1:07:33
articles in it, but there's just a chance that they might see
1:07:37
something they agreed with and then it it builds from there.
1:07:44
Absolutely. And.
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And thank you for all your work. I mean your writing, your
1:07:48
activism, you, you know, you give out the light newspaper.
1:07:51
We do all sorts of work with, with the workers of England
1:07:57
trade union and, and all your work you've done with mental
1:08:00
health. I mean, really, you've been an
1:08:02
absolute a bastion of, of, of amazing work.
1:08:08
You've been doing so much. And I'm really it's all.
1:08:11
Learning it, it, it's all learning, isn't it?
1:08:14
And yeah, and I'm so pleased you.
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Came on today just. Say that was what?
1:08:19
One last thing, and referring to something that you said earlier,
1:08:23
how that you, you don't like this term waking up.
1:08:26
And, and, and I'm not very fond of that term either because it,
1:08:31
it suggests that, that you're, that it's like a light switch.
1:08:34
And it's not really like that. We're all on a journey and we're
1:08:38
all at different stages. We all start from different
1:08:41
places. So we're we're on a process of
1:08:44
awakening, but none of us are really woken up.
1:08:49
There's so much more, so much more to learn.
1:08:55
And it's, it's revealing itself, you know, on a kind of daily, if
1:08:58
not yearly basis. So the what, what's coming next?
1:09:02
We don't know. But every day is a school day at
1:09:04
the moment, yeah. So.
1:09:08
Anyway, thank you so much Neil. It's been an absolute pleasure
1:09:12
to speak to you. I could talk to you all day
1:09:13
actually. It's marvellous.
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So thank you so much and and we will get this out as soon as
1:09:19
possible and we'll direct people to sub stack and everything else
1:09:24
will be in the notes that go with this this this
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presentation. Thanks so much.
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Thanks. Bye bye.