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Do The Eagles Have The NFL's Best Defensive Tackle Group? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: It's Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan and are inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 2: Eagles Depth Chart.
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  Speaker 1: Podcast series rolls on another day and we are still
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  Speaker 1: in the defense and now we're looking at the interior
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  Speaker 1: of the defensive line and Adam, there might be a
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  Speaker 1: lot of depth question marks and overall question marks like
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  Speaker 1: we talked about in a past podcast on both sides
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  Speaker 1: and the lines, but inside interior d line for the Eagles,
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  Speaker 1: not as many question marks, especially among the guys who
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  Speaker 1: are going to play the most snaps now.
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  Speaker 3: I mean Joemo's back, Fannie or his deal. Davis got
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  Speaker 3: his extension coming off a really good season. Carter, he'll
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  Speaker 3: get his extension. We had his shoulders taken care of,
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  Speaker 3: which needed to happen. Ty Robinson's back. He needs to
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  Speaker 3: have a good offseason. Let's see what he looks like
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  Speaker 3: when the veterans are in. Barron Young has been a
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  Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, I was thick about this other
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  Speaker 3: day when I was like the Eagles defense, Look, I
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  Speaker 3: know the raiders from the front office like they've had
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  Speaker 3: a lot of change, But my god, what if you
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  Speaker 3: either I understand like they were done with them. They
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  Speaker 3: didn't want they don't want Barron Young. They was a
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  Speaker 3: third rounder, like it. He didn't perform. But you can't
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  Speaker 3: get a draft pick for the guy what. I don't
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  Speaker 3: care if it's because whoever drafted, I can't. It's been
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  Speaker 3: like three regimes ago. Raiders have so much change, right,
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  Speaker 3: But you can't cut a third round pick after you're one.
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  Speaker 3: You can't.
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  Speaker 1: If you're not going to get something for that guy,
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  Speaker 1: then you then you might as well say, listen, I
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  Speaker 1: hired a coaching staff for a reason. I trust these
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  Speaker 1: guys more than the past coaching staff. Like Chip Kelly
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  Speaker 1: almost made almost he really tried to make the same
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  Speaker 1: mistake also when he wanted to get rid of Brandon Graham.
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  Speaker 1: But can you imagine if the Eagles had done that
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  Speaker 1: just because he wouldn't fit the three four that ship.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, my god, what a mist that would have been.
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  Speaker 1: Trust your if you bring in new coaches, trust them.
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  Speaker 3: I get it.
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  Speaker 2: If you can pulling off a.
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  Speaker 1: Guy for a good draft pick who you didn't draft
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  Speaker 1: because you're trying to rebuild. But he was young enough
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  Speaker 1: to your point where if you believed in your coaching
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  Speaker 1: staff and you believed in the player could make some improvement,
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  Speaker 1: then you might as well hang on to try to
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  Speaker 1: improve them.
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  Speaker 3: I don't. It's just it's odd. I mean they think
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  Speaker 3: I just uh a sixth round pick, go ahead, seventh
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  Speaker 3: round pick, fifth round pick, maybe third or fourth round.
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  Speaker 3: You cannot be cutting that guy after a year one
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  Speaker 3: let's you think especially third round. That's just that's the
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  Speaker 3: bottom end of the start round and you're cutting him.
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  Speaker 3: I don't give a crap. If if that new GM
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  Speaker 3: didn't do it, Telesco, it was te LESCo and then
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  Speaker 3: uh spy Tech, right, I think it was SPO. Telesco
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  Speaker 3: only got one year the Charger, Yes, so it's just
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  Speaker 3: kind of weird. But anyway, now that that was a
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  Speaker 3: really good way for claim man, he's been a really
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  Speaker 3: good storage development.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: Even Davion Taylor got two years from the Eagles right
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  Speaker 1: before before.
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  Speaker 3: How how is just he doesn't I know the'se told
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  Speaker 3: people like he's tall coaches over the years as we've heard, no,
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  Speaker 3: we're not cutting them after one year, like they're there.
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  Speaker 3: I remember when there were coaches in uh with with
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  Speaker 3: Donald Pumpher, he had a terrible uh off rookie uh
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  Speaker 3: training camp. He was he looked. Sometimes when you draft
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  Speaker 3: a player, you go, oh, no, he's not what we thought, right.
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  Speaker 3: I was just saying, he's small, but he plays small,
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  Speaker 3: unlike Sprowls, whose small but he plays big. Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: You know sometimes you just know it, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: just you just know that, you know this is bad
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  Speaker 3: what we're seeing, but you got to give the guy
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  Speaker 3: a chance. That was just my point. There's a reason
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  Speaker 3: why some teams don't win, and we just gave you
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  Speaker 3: part of the interest of the test because they don't
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  Speaker 3: understand how you have to give players time. It's like
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  Speaker 3: with you R Bernard right who we're going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about today. They took the press. They they surprisingly used them.
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  Speaker 3: They drafted them, but they made sure they draft proofed it.
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  Speaker 3: They made and they're also the international player. I think
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  Speaker 3: he player. He's gonna be with Eagles no matter what
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  Speaker 3: this season, like, they're gonna even if he looks like
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  Speaker 3: he's totally ready, He's totally not ready to do anything.
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  Speaker 3: He's got this great body that he needs to learn
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  Speaker 3: how to play football. You got to give him time,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree, it's I mean, it took
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  Speaker 1: my lot of a couple two years before he got
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  Speaker 1: onto the field.
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  Speaker 3: My lot of the back, Yes, but he had to
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  Speaker 3: learn how to put on a helmet. He didn't understand football.
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  Speaker 3: As we reported at the time, there was a real
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  Speaker 3: issue with him and being aggressive. He didn't understand, like,
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  Speaker 3: you're you're allowed to club the guy, You're allowed you're
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  Speaker 3: allowed to do like he didn't understand yep, like he
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  Speaker 3: would he would like he knock a guy down and
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  Speaker 3: apologized him. No, dude, keep playing for what he doing, right,
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  Speaker 3: he picked the guy up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm interested to see how much preseason snaps Warbernard
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  Speaker 1: plays because if you don't know what you're doing out there,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, again, i'd have to go back.
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  Speaker 1: I'll go back and check how many preseason snaps that
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  Speaker 1: my Latta played his first year.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he was as many, but it might
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  Speaker 2: have been. Who knows. But at least you know he
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  Speaker 2: had Staltlin for a while.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see because like again, you don't
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  Speaker 1: know what you're doing, you're gonna get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how.
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  Speaker 3: How, but he does have Clint Hurt, who is top
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  Speaker 3: three defensive line coach. He's just phenomenal former defense coordinator.
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  Speaker 3: God knows what he's doing. I mean, he he Now
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  Speaker 3: he's got a challenge on his hands. Not only is
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  Speaker 3: they have Bernard, but he's got to get Ty Robinson going.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to get he's got to get him going.
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  Speaker 3: I remember Greg self saw Robinson's preseason tape. He said, boys,
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  Speaker 3: he raw. Yeah, Like I know, Greg and a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people like Robinson's tape from Nebraska, but you know
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  Speaker 3: that's college tape. That's triple A. This is the majors. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta progress and hand usage is Mike Zimmer told
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  Speaker 3: me one time, and uh, I remember Paul gone through
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  Speaker 3: telling me that absolutely true. If you don't if you
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  Speaker 3: don't have the right technique, you're not getting in the game.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't care what what round you. He didn't care.
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  Speaker 3: There was like, I don't care. It's the first trump
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  Speaker 3: He's not. If you don't play our way, you're not
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  Speaker 3: playing right. And you know who decordinator is, and you
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  Speaker 3: know who the D line coaches is. They ain't taken that.
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  Speaker 3: So he's got to make a big jump. He's got
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  Speaker 3: to make a big jump.
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  Speaker 1: There were guys who I remember talking to an AFC personnel,
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  Speaker 1: a college personnel guy when they drafted him, and they
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  Speaker 1: loved him.
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  Speaker 2: He really thought Robert would be perfect for the defense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen, he still might be like you said,
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  Speaker 1: like you were just saying you can't hold year one.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Moro Jomo played very much year one
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  Speaker 1: because there was just too much depth ahead of him.
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  Speaker 2: And then same thing with Milton Williams. He will Williams
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  Speaker 2: may have.
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  Speaker 1: Played a little bit more, but the point is these
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  Speaker 1: guys really really came into their own in year two
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  Speaker 1: and then later year three. So uh so, So Robinson's
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  Speaker 1: got some time and depending on what happens with a
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  Speaker 1: Jomo right this year, you said he enters.
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  Speaker 2: The last year of his deal. Yep, we'll see what
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  Speaker 2: happens there.
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  Speaker 1: He could be trying to go to the Milton Williams route,
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  Speaker 1: and so far it's working well.
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  Speaker 2: He had a really good third year and he could.
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  Speaker 3: Have request he changed agencies and that might have something
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  Speaker 3: to do with why hasn't got a new deal yet.
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  Speaker 3: We have to see to see if he gets one
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  Speaker 3: he goes. Really like him, He's been an incredible story
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  Speaker 3: of development. So year one for him he only played
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  Speaker 3: in eight games. He barely played, barely played. As a
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  Speaker 3: matter of fact, you know, I said, like the the like.
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  Speaker 3: Here's an example, right, he only played. He played more
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  Speaker 3: than special teams. Just give an idea that he did
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  Speaker 3: on defense. Okay, sixty eight five percentage only sixty eight
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  Speaker 3: defensive snaps right right, only sixteen But percentage wise, well,
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  Speaker 3: actually let me reverse that. Sixty eight He only played
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  Speaker 3: sixty eight snaps on defense, thirteen percent on defense, sixteen
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  Speaker 3: snaps on specials eight percent of the snaps. But the
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  Speaker 3: bottom line is he barely played. You could have made
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  Speaker 3: a case, well this guy seventh round are he barely played?
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  Speaker 3: Do we need him? Right? If you're in the front office.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what, you gotta give guys time to develop.
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  Speaker 3: This guy was, as we said at the time, there
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  Speaker 3: was zero reason he should have been a seventh round pick.
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  Speaker 3: There was a maturity issue which was caught mostly total nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't that bad, I agree, No, No, it did.
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  Speaker 3: Like they just I swear, these persons on guys find anything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they kind of look for reason SAI ding a
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  Speaker 1: guy once they're not once you know, it's around a
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  Speaker 1: Day three guy because you now your reputation. Are you
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  Speaker 1: going to bang the table for a Day three guy?
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  Speaker 1: Some people are uncomfortable with that.
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  Speaker 3: And he only again, he only played in half the games,
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  Speaker 3: barely played right. Second year, big jump, major jump. He
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  Speaker 3: went from sixty eight snaps.
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  Speaker 2: To three eighty eight amazing.
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  Speaker 3: He made another jump neck last year seven and forty
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  Speaker 3: snaps sixty six percent of snap so quality, starter, ideal length.
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  Speaker 3: He's not a great run game guy. That's always going
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  Speaker 3: to challenge for him. He's gotten better at it. Not great,
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  Speaker 3: but he's a good football player. And this is yet
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  Speaker 3: another story of why you gotta give guys time, and
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  Speaker 3: it's it's why guys like John Schneider, Roseman and Less
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  Speaker 3: Snead are great at what they do. They typically are
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  Speaker 3: are and it's why some of these guys on the
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  Speaker 3: rams you're like, cool, some of these guys on the
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  Speaker 3: rams you're like, I can't believe this guy became a
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  Speaker 3: player because they gave him time to develop.
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  Speaker 2: That's yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So allow me really quick to deviate from the because
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  Speaker 1: I want to bring this up as it pertains the
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  Speaker 1: defensive tackle, because you just said, yeah, gave a great
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  Speaker 1: scouting reporter on a Joemo long arm, really tough pass rusher,
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  Speaker 1: not as good of a run defender as Milton Williams was.
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  Speaker 1: And so we talked about this on the Edge podcast.
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  Speaker 1: The way they're getting a little lighter with the move
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  Speaker 1: from uh Jalen Phillips to Grenard. Okay, so now you
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  Speaker 1: got a little You don't have a great run defender
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  Speaker 1: in the Joemo. You don't have a great run defender
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  Speaker 1: in Grenard. You're a little light on the edges. And
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  Speaker 1: run defense was an issue for the Eagles at times
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  Speaker 1: last year, and it was perilous at times that Chicago game.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody always Cowboys games. I mean, there were times that
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  Speaker 1: Eagles run defense looked a And by the way, you're
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  Speaker 1: now putting John Campbell in there for Nikobe Dean. Nikobe
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  Speaker 1: Dean wasn't the biggest guy in the world, but he
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  Speaker 1: was a smart run defender. John Campbell has more athleticism,
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  Speaker 1: but he's got to learn. He learned playing that Downhill
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  Speaker 1: game was still a work in progress progress for him.
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  Speaker 1: So I think there's some fair concerns going into camp,
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  Speaker 1: and you know how the roster are looking about the
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  Speaker 1: run defense for this team. Yes, coaches don't care about
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  Speaker 1: as long as you can figure out a way to
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  Speaker 1: get him into third.
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  Speaker 3: And one, they want it. They'll tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Coaches always say we we want to control the run,
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  Speaker 3: but we want to stop the pass, like that's that's
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  Speaker 3: what they want, and it's not. It's not. It's a
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  Speaker 3: total opposite of when I first started covering the league.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you don't want to stop the run. No,
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  Speaker 3: that's not what we're saying. We don't control the run.
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  Speaker 3: We're not worried about it. And Bill Pollon talked about
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  Speaker 3: it over the years when they had a terrible year,
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  Speaker 3: when they actually won the Super Bowl that year, So
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: Tony Dungee, he said, we're not gonna do more, We're
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  Speaker 3: gonna less. We're gonna simplify everything and help our guys
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  Speaker 3: just just play the right way right and turn around
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  Speaker 3: their season. And they got to the super Bowl and won.
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  Speaker 3: So going back to this thing, so we know who
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  Speaker 3: the start the front free is, right, you got young
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  Speaker 3: is the first guy off the bench. Ty Robinson will
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  Speaker 3: see what like my only issue is backing up Jordan Davis.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't know because Gay Haul is not that guy.
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  Speaker 3: Gabe Hoole's got great length, but he's not a nose.
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  Speaker 3: Take on Graham a forming of Atlanta Eagles brought him back,
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  Speaker 3: who's also got good length, who was drafted by the
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  Speaker 3: Way in the fifth round of twenty one. So this guy,
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  Speaker 3: this guy's got some talent here. But I would worry
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  Speaker 3: if if Jordan Davis got hurt. They're finding a true nose.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I used to criticize the Eagles for not having a
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  Speaker 1: true nose back up to Jordan Davis, especially when Jordan
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  Speaker 1: wasn't playing a lot of snaps. But then talking to
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  Speaker 1: people and looking around the league at the trends, I
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  Speaker 1: guess a lot of teams that run a five man
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  Speaker 1: front or a threety four don't have in a backup
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  Speaker 1: nose who's one dimensional like that, Because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: teams have a nose that's already.
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  Speaker 2: A kind of a one dimension.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to occupy two roster spots on guys
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  Speaker 1: who really are are one trick kind of ponies to
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  Speaker 1: be I don't mean disrespectful, but to call like that.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot of teams will just and we've seen
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles do this too. If they lose their nose,
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  Speaker 1: they just play more of a typical four to three
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  Speaker 1: or bring a linebacker down on the line of scrimmage
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  Speaker 1: to get that fifth man instead of trying to find
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  Speaker 1: another nose on the roster.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Bernard to me, he's built like a
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  Speaker 3: three technique. Oh yeah, five. I who the hell knows,
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  Speaker 3: because he's ever played football before. And I'll be interesting
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  Speaker 3: to see where they line him up. Yeah in training camp.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, did they really need another veteran?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think even even last year, gave Hall
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  Speaker 1: played well. He really, I don't want to say he
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  Speaker 1: did well.
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  Speaker 3: He remember when he.
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  Speaker 2: Played well enough to be on it.
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  Speaker 3: He just he did. I remember us saying that, boy,
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  Speaker 3: he really they had a numbers issue on defense, so
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  Speaker 3: they they ran out like they they just didn't have
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  Speaker 3: room for. But he certainly, he certainly warranted being there.
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  Speaker 3: And as a matter of fact, he actually made it initially.
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  Speaker 3: Then they cut him after week one, Right, I'm looking
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  Speaker 3: at his transactions. Yeah, he actually did make it initially
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  Speaker 3: and then they cut him. He was on the practice
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  Speaker 3: squad that then they brought him back for a week.
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  Speaker 3: Then then he went back to the prex squad for
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the season. But remember we said with
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  Speaker 3: him it's an energy thing. With him great, he is
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  Speaker 3: the exact body you won for seven technique or even
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  Speaker 3: a five like he's got a great laugh. Right, but
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  Speaker 3: there was a reason why a guy who looks like
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  Speaker 3: that didn't get drafted. It's the energy. It's bringing it
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  Speaker 3: every game. Uh. In a scotta report from clubs, they
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  Speaker 3: just had an issue with his energy, his commitment to
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  Speaker 3: being great. Cameron Williams for instance, the egles uh tackle
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  Speaker 3: they got from Texas, really great tape at Texas for
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  Speaker 3: a season. There were issues with his commitment to being great,
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  Speaker 3: like that was part of why he dropped to the
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  Speaker 3: sixth And that stuff matters. Like if if you don't
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  Speaker 3: think a guy's totally committed, either you're not going to
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  Speaker 3: draft him. If he doesn't love football, or he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have the energy to be great, you're not gonna get
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  Speaker 3: drafted where you probably should have gotten drafted because you
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  Speaker 3: don't trust the player like you like him. You want
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  Speaker 3: to have a man, Maybe we could reach them, but
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  Speaker 3: we're not going to spend a high grade on the guy. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think to your point, the only
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  Speaker 1: reason to bring in a veteran is if midway through
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  Speaker 1: camp you don't think Ty Robinson has made the jump
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  Speaker 1: that you were hoping to see, all right, and cave
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  Speaker 1: Hall is just the same player. It may not be better,
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  Speaker 1: and that may not be worse, then then you might
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  Speaker 1: feel compelled to bring in a contavious Street type of
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  Speaker 1: rotational defensive tackle who can fit your front and will
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  Speaker 1: be like a million of them available. So I would
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  Speaker 1: do that, But I'm thinking they're banking right now on
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  Speaker 1: getting some more reps, reps for Robinson and seeing that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Graham, by the way, the guy.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: One of the big reasons why the Falcons cut him
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  Speaker 3: is because he was spent three seasons on IR parts
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  Speaker 3: of three seasons and they got you know, they got
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  Speaker 3: that had enough, Like they're like, okay, we're done with this,
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  Speaker 3: Like they just weren't willing to hang in there. So
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: he might he might be that he's technically invested veteran.
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  Speaker 2: He might be that guy, right, Yeah.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: You take on Graham? Yeah out of Texas. He was
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• 15:43
  Speaker 3: there's something there with him. What when we talked to
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  Speaker 3: He'll be on my list for Greg when we have
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: him on during training camp. But if he remembers anything
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: about him, all right.
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  Speaker 1: best you could. I'm a little concerned that Jill and
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  Speaker 1: Carter missed that time with the shoulder injury last year.
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  Speaker 1: He went and had the procedures done, which was like
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  Speaker 1: the injections the PRPs yep. I spoke to an orthopedi
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  Speaker 1: and he said that, you know, there wasn't a ton
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  Speaker 1: much better now. Carter said he felt a lot better
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that helped.
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  Speaker 1: But the orthopedic surgeon felt that usually this is the
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  Speaker 1: precursor to the having an off season surgery, and to
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  Speaker 1: our knowledge, Jillen Carter has not had any offseason surgery
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: on the shoulders. I know that there's some videos of
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  Speaker 1: him working out trying to strengthen the shoulders and the
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  Speaker 1: area around it, which is good. I just don't know
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  Speaker 1: that that's gonna be the cure all because this stuff
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  Speaker 1: has bothered him going back to Georgia. So I actually
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  Speaker 1: was under the impression that he was finally gonna, you know,
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  Speaker 1: get it taken care of him the offseason. But he's
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  Speaker 1: taken cauring of it with weight training instead of anything else.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see how that happens if he's impeded by
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: his shoulders. You see, he's he's not the same player.
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  Speaker 1: He's still very good, but he's not nearly as violent
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and as menacing. And you can't call him the best
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: DT in the league if the shoulders aren't operating. Because
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  Speaker 1: he was getting run on at times, and that Chicago
• 21:02
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• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and have the injections.
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  Speaker 2: It was not pretty.
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  Speaker 3: He was in pain. And remember, as we as we
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: pointed out when he was drafted, there was one real
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: issue with him other than the off the field stuff
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: was we didn't know which shoulder was. Every club red
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: flag one of the shoulders that said he'll be able
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: to have a long career, but he's gonna have recurring problems.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: And I don't remember what it was, it shoulder labor.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I don't remember, but we were just told by multiple teams.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: This is something that that has been noted. Every team shares.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: They have the same medical information, not a secret, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: their goodagles are gonna have to either practice some not
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: a ton or when it flares up, you got to
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: back off. Yeah, so we'll we'll see how he handles it.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: But like you said, if he can't play, it's bying
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: young and your hope is if if then Ty See,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: this is where Ty Robinson's got to develop. He's the
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: first guy off the bench. Yeah, you're not playing three
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: D tackles one hundred percent of the steps. No team
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: does that. We're not offensive linemen where who don't come
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: out of the game like you're gonna have to. He's
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: gonna have to develop the self. It's a huge offseason
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: for him.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the good news for him is he did well.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I don't want to make too much of it, just
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: like with the camera Williams thing. But he did play
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: in the season finale when the rest of the starters
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and he had some good reps in there. It looked
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: like he forget who was who ell I guess he
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: was in there with with Young, right, and there were
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: some pretty good reps in there. So you saw some
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: development from from the beginning training camp till the end
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: of the year. And like you said, now it's now
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: it's about showing it on a day to day basis
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and getting yourself into that rotation.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. I mean, so so there there's what
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: they have is what's called cost certainty. You kind of
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: know who you have. It's almost exactly the same as
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: last year. You just it's pretty it's actually the same
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: the top. I mean, it's Byron Young's the first guy
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: off the bench. Ty Robinson's got his back, he's got
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: to develop. Really, there's a big off season for him. Then.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I don't see how the hell they're keeping six guys.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I just don't. We're going to do the next week
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: or so, once we get through the rest of the
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: rest of this week are the positional We're going to
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: finish off inside back, our safety and corner. But we're
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: gonna have to do. I want to do it. This
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: has really got me thick on an early fifty three.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I cannot wait because we're not gonna exchange. I cannot
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: wait to hear what you have.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: It's hard.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I think anybody who understands
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: how the business goes and how the team looks at it,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: knowing they're going to go so heavy, heavier than usual
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: quarterback and offensive line, like I'm looking at running back
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and tight end thinking like you might have four total
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of those guys and just get by with a bunch
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: of practice squad guys.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: So we're veterans on the practice squad.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: It's going to be it's gonna be really interesting, especially
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: when it gets to the secondary too.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: So agreed, Yeah, that'll be fun.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: That is a look at the inte You know.
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  Speaker 1: Between the last two pods, we've done the entire defensive
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: front here. We'll not line back off ball linebackers. We'll
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: get to in the next one. But that is going
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to do it for this inside look at the depth
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: chart on the interior defensive line of the Eagles.
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