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Talking Vikings With SKOR North's Thor Nystrom · Sports Done Wright w/ Vince Wright

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  Speaker 7: of Minnesota. Thank you so much for joining me once again.
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  Speaker 7: It's training camp time. NFL football is back, so get
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  Speaker 7: yourself some Seventh Avenue pizza. Tomorrow Vikings training camp and
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  Speaker 7: tonight we just finished wrapping up with Thorn n Eistrom
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  Speaker 7: from Score North here in the Twin Cities, your Vikings contact,
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  Speaker 7: and yeah, this is going to be a good one,
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  Speaker 7: so settle in. We got a thirty five minute interview
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  Speaker 7: with him coming up momentarily. But a couple other things
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  Speaker 7: I wanted to touch base on since I haven't been
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  Speaker 7: on in a couple of weeks. First off, the World Cup.
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  Speaker 4: You know, obviously not.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of soccer, a lot of foot to ball
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  Speaker 7: is talked on this podcast, but hey man, this tournament
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  Speaker 7: won me over. I'm a soccer fan, and you know
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  Speaker 7: I kind of was anyway, but listen, you know, like
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  Speaker 7: the rest of the country, a lot of hybrid workers,
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  Speaker 7: and you're able to have this on it. And actually
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  Speaker 7: the days I was in the office, we actually have
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  Speaker 7: a couple of TVs in our office and we popped
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  Speaker 7: it on there as well.
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  Speaker 4: Who knew.
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  Speaker 7: That all America needed to get along was to host
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  Speaker 7: the World Cup. So now FIFA is thinking about expanding
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  Speaker 7: this this now sixty four teams. Please don't do that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, let's just.
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  Speaker 7: Enjoy the success first off, as Americans that we had
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  Speaker 7: here in our country. It was phenomenal and just enjoyed
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  Speaker 7: it all. And I'll be looking at these teams going forward.
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  Speaker 4: Man, I'll be watching.
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  Speaker 7: All teams all around the world. But congratulations to Spain.
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  Speaker 7: The Spania did it and all. Yeah, the last game,
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  Speaker 7: Argentina just you know, nowhere to be found. And you know,
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  Speaker 7: Messi tried to get it go on in the extra time.
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  Speaker 7: He had a couple of nice crosskicks and whatnot, and
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  Speaker 7: they came close, but Spain held them off and for
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  Speaker 7: most of that game Argentina was mia. So congratulations to
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  Speaker 7: Spain and a very successful World Cup here on this
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  Speaker 7: side of the ocean. And oh, a big shout out
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  Speaker 7: by the way too. Women's professional football. The Minnesota Vixen
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  Speaker 7: are your champions. Bravo, bravo. And we're gonna be talking
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  Speaker 7: with a couple members of the coaching staff here hopefully
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  Speaker 7: in the next couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, it's just fun. It's just fun.
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  Speaker 7: These ladies, they paid their way to games, some fly,
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  Speaker 7: some drive, but they get there and they beat Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 7: for the women. The WFL championship really put it on them,
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  Speaker 7: scoring forty two points wasn't even close. So congratulations to
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  Speaker 7: the Minnesota vic and can't wait to talk to a
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  Speaker 7: few members of their organization here in the next couple
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  Speaker 7: weeks as well. And with that, let's just get it
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  Speaker 7: started here. Like I said, we talked to Thor a
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  Speaker 7: few months ago. Now football is back and I'm excited
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  Speaker 7: to have him on. We'll be talking to him through
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  Speaker 7: the season as well. And you know, the Vikings got
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  Speaker 7: a lot of questions. Obviously, it starts with the quarterback,
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  Speaker 7: Kyler Murray. I mean, who's it gonna be, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: you know, JJ and then from there you got to
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  Speaker 7: keep justin Jefferson happy. Defense is gonna have a lot
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  Speaker 7: of new looks, new faces this year, so we cover
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  Speaker 7: it all. So let's just get into it here and
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  Speaker 7: again we're gonna start because you got to get a
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  Speaker 7: keep raving about Seventh Avenue Pizza. No, not because they
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  Speaker 7: I am Vince ratch Sports Governor. I'll be back to
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  Speaker 7: wrap it up after our interview with Thorn Eistrom.
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  Speaker 4: Get you some, all right, everybody.
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  Speaker 7: Vince Right, host of the Sports Done Right podcast, here
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  Speaker 7: with you Live again and.
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  Speaker 4: From Score North, the one and only.
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  Speaker 7: Even though he's in an NDSU shirt, I'm gonna let
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  Speaker 7: you slide on that one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I just remember to ask whooping they gave my Minnesota
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  Speaker 7: in that last year in the metrodom. I think they
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, folks, Score North, Thor and I stream.
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  Speaker 7: You know him, you love him. He's all over the place. Listen,
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  Speaker 7: you need to know Vikings. This guy, however, goes right
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  Speaker 7: next to me here.
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  Speaker 8: He is your man.
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  Speaker 7: So Thor, thank you for taking some time out tonight
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  Speaker 7: and welcome back to sports done right.
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  Speaker 3: It's always good talking to you, brother, Thanks for having
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  Speaker 3: me on.
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  Speaker 7: All right, boss, So hey, let's just get to it. Obviously,
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  Speaker 7: we got to jump in with the quarterback situation. We
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  Speaker 7: now will finally start getting some answers and from you know,
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  Speaker 7: what the head coaches said is obviously, you know, look,
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  Speaker 7: they'll get the reps in the beginning and from there,
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  Speaker 7: obviously a story will be unfolding and one person will
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  Speaker 7: start getting more and whatnot. Now, I know you're a
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  Speaker 7: JJ guy, and I know you've you've on both sides.
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  Speaker 7: You know, there's people that love JJ, but there's people
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  Speaker 7: that have given you a lot of heat as well,
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure over social media and everything. So let's just
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  Speaker 7: touch base here as we're what the day before training camp,
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  Speaker 7: how are you feeling about JJ McCarthy before we get
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  Speaker 7: into Kyler and everything.
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  Speaker 3: Else heading into training camp.
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  Speaker 8: I'm I'm excited to see what he looks like here
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  Speaker 8: coming up this Over the next month, a lot of
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  Speaker 8: work was done.
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  Speaker 3: After the season.
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  Speaker 8: He immediately went down to John back the training in
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  Speaker 8: California to work on the mechanics. You heard reports coming
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  Speaker 8: out of OTA's in mini camps that that is improved,
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  Speaker 8: and he was pretty good during during that time. No,
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  Speaker 8: obviously what matters is when you get into training camp.
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  Speaker 8: That's where the competition begins, right, and and that's what
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  Speaker 8: we're on the precipice up now. But yeah, I'm excited
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  Speaker 8: to see him. And as far as the competition itself,
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  Speaker 8: Like when when that first came out and O'Connell was
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  Speaker 8: first trying to sell it, I was definitely a part
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  Speaker 8: of the camp that was like feels like a sham,
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  Speaker 8: and it feels like they would have had to, you know,
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  Speaker 8: promise Kyler that the job in order to sign him.
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  Speaker 3: But as time has gone on and as I've I've
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  Speaker 3: talked to more folks and and.
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  Speaker 8: Then also listen to the public comments, but all that
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  Speaker 8: sort of stuff, I do think the competition will be legitimate.
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  Speaker 8: I my my concern was that for for the future
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  Speaker 8: of the franchise, if you just closed the book without
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  Speaker 8: giving it a shot, right and just sort of turn
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  Speaker 8: you know, and I whatever, I don't think that's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 8: I think he is going to be giving a shot
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  Speaker 8: to win this job. I do think that this is
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  Speaker 8: going to be a fair competition. So I'm just excited
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  Speaker 8: to see the way that it plays out.
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  Speaker 7: No exactly, I agree with you here, And excuse me
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  Speaker 7: as I'm with him down because I had a story
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  Speaker 7: here on Yahoo's Sports, and you know, I was just
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  Speaker 7: looking at his competition.
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  Speaker 4: Mister Kyler Murray.
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  Speaker 7: Seven seasons in Arizona, twenty thousand plus yards, one hundred
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  Speaker 7: and twenty one touchdowns, sixty interceptions, also rushed and I
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  Speaker 7: didn't know this, but he rushed for over three thousand
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  Speaker 7: yards and another thirty two touchdowns, So you know, he
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  Speaker 7: definitely brings a lot of interesting, you know, questions to
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  Speaker 7: the dance here.
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  Speaker 4: But I agree with you.
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  Speaker 7: I think, especially over the past week, they've really kind
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  Speaker 7: of gone out of their way.
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  Speaker 4: To say, look, this is going to be a fair competition,
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  Speaker 4: and I do think so too.
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  Speaker 7: Obviously Kyler regressed here lately, so why wouldn't it be
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  Speaker 7: a fair competition to see what you got?
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  Speaker 4: Real quick?
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  Speaker 7: Because I just want to have some fun with this
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  Speaker 7: because social media's kind of touched on the third quarterback,
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  Speaker 7: mister wins and you know, a guy that has obviously
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  Speaker 7: had success earlier in his career and then you know,
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  Speaker 7: took teams deep in the playoffs and whatnot any chance,
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  Speaker 7: I mean any chance or that somehow this dude just
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  Speaker 7: kind of slides through the cracks and maybe, let's just say,
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  Speaker 7: maybe makes it interesting for the starting position.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that, But I still with that signing.
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  Speaker 8: I still feel and they can they you know, they
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  Speaker 8: wouldn't agree with me publicly on this, but I still
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  Speaker 8: feel like that signing was done to retain the possibility
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  Speaker 8: of a potential trade, not that it's going to happen,
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  Speaker 8: but that that you you would keep that up option
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  Speaker 8: on the table for yourself with because if you didn't
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  Speaker 8: have them, you wouldn't be able to do that at
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  Speaker 8: the end of the competition, right, But you know, if
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  Speaker 8: one of them was traded once, you know, can be
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  Speaker 8: the QB two, Brozemer's fine enough as the QB three, right, So,
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  Speaker 8: like you, that's what I think that's for. But no,
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  Speaker 8: as far as like getting involved with this starting job,
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  Speaker 8: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 7: Right right now, let me ask you this, okay, so
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  Speaker 7: JJ and Long, you know, I'm very interested to see
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  Speaker 7: what he can do, obviously if he can stay injury free.
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  Speaker 7: And that brings us over to Kyler. What are your
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  Speaker 7: thoughts initially on Kyler? Murray and what are you maybe
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  Speaker 7: looking for him to do, to say, for him to
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  Speaker 7: get the job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Well, first of all, you know, you're you know, I'm
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  Speaker 8: the JJ guy, and so I sort of get framed
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  Speaker 8: as like a Kyler Hayter, which is weird for me
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  Speaker 8: because Kyler. I love watching Kyler and I always have,
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  Speaker 8: Like you could go back in my Twitter, like eight
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  Speaker 8: years when he first went to Texas A and M
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  Speaker 8: as a five star. You know, he's five foot ten
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  Speaker 8: and he's his five star quarterback recruit, and I just
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  Speaker 8: could not wait to see him.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 8: It's you know, there was all this stuff in tech,
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  Speaker 8: his high school football about you know, he was a
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  Speaker 8: legend with that and wanted to see if that game
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  Speaker 8: translated to college. And then he went to Lincoln Riley's
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  Speaker 8: offense and was dominant there and obviously that then going
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  Speaker 8: first overall to the Cardinals and Cliff Kingsbury had taken
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  Speaker 8: over there and an anomaly of a of a first
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  Speaker 8: overall pick or a top one hundred pick as a
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  Speaker 8: quarterback with the stature, and it's like, how is this
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  Speaker 8: going to work out? I've always enjoyed watching him, you know,
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  Speaker 8: it's like you're on sort of a roller coaster ride
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  Speaker 8: right that he Since the ACL tear, he might not
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  Speaker 8: be quite as explosive, but he still is, you know,
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  Speaker 8: top three scrambler in the league. The evasion is still there,
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  Speaker 8: and of course he can breach containment and get pass
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  Speaker 8: line of scrimmage and start doing some damage. One sort
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  Speaker 8: of modulation to his game that I noticed watching his
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  Speaker 8: twenty twenty five tape from like earlier in his career,
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  Speaker 8: he does keep more adherence to staying in the pocket
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  Speaker 8: than he did in the past. And I think this
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  Speaker 8: was something like the last two three years that that
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  Speaker 8: new offense he was in with Petzig where where they
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  Speaker 8: wanted him to stay in the pocket more, don't just
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  Speaker 8: bail the first sign of danger. And he does play
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  Speaker 8: on time, especially the short game, really quick stuff on
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  Speaker 8: the hand, stuff like that. But he's gonna stay in
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  Speaker 8: the pocket until he has to bail. But that's where
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  Speaker 8: he can make people mess and even free rushers you're
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  Speaker 8: gonna have a really hard time getting him down. The
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  Speaker 8: ability to avoid sacks is really big there. He's had
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  Speaker 8: one of the lowest sack percentages in the NFL. You know,
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  Speaker 8: you go back, like I think it was five percent
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  Speaker 8: here the last couple of years, one of the lowest
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  Speaker 8: marks in the NFL, despite playing behind a bottom five
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  Speaker 8: offensive line in the NFL. And when you watch his tape,
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  Speaker 8: you see it there is pressure coming in and then
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  Speaker 8: he'll you know, sort of evade it and and go
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  Speaker 8: about his business.
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  Speaker 3: It's an interesting game though.
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  Speaker 8: Like in clean pockets, I liked the work that I
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  Speaker 8: saw from Kyler, in muddy pockets, I did not as much.
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  Speaker 8: And it's it's interesting for a player who has this
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  Speaker 8: god given ability to get away from pressure to extend plays.
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  Speaker 8: But that's one area of his game that I'm curious about,
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  Speaker 8: in conjunction with O'Connell's prerogative with his passing attack to
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  Speaker 8: do the deep drops and the slow developing downhill routes
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  Speaker 8: for the receivers, because that system itself, it sort of
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  Speaker 8: drops you into the shark tank of pressure, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 8: you're gonna face that. And Kyler hasn't done as much
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  Speaker 8: under center stuff over his career. With Cliff I think
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  Speaker 8: it was ninety two percent in Shotgun. He did get
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  Speaker 8: over twenty five percent under center within one of the years.
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  Speaker 8: With Petsig you saw a lot more of that, But
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  Speaker 8: not even close to what O'Connell does.
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  Speaker 3: And then like this stuff with like.
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  Speaker 8: The play action game, you know, under center, play action
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  Speaker 8: back to the defense, then turning around some of these
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  Speaker 8: deeper concepts like the O'Connell does. The very few times
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  Speaker 8: I seen Kyler do that, he didn't look super duper
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  Speaker 8: comfortable with that. Now, that wasn't the scheme there, right,
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  Speaker 8: the vikings, thank god, don't run the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 3: Don't run the Cardinal schemes.
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  Speaker 8: But Ken Kyler adapt his game, or can Kevin O'Connell,
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  Speaker 8: if indeed he's gonna go with Kyler, can he modify
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  Speaker 8: that offense a bit in order to play up kyler
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  Speaker 8: strengths And one of them is the short game.
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  Speaker 3: I think Kyler is really good at that. And one
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  Speaker 3: of the things that I enjoyed about the offense that
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  Speaker 3: he was in before.
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  Speaker 8: They would do a lot of motion stuff to set
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  Speaker 8: up picks, in particular for Trey McBride, and then sort
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  Speaker 8: of you know, you get him leaking out and he's open,
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  Speaker 8: you know, five yards upfield, you know, the left hash
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  Speaker 8: or whatever, and Kyler would hit him on the hands
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  Speaker 8: every time.
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  Speaker 3: Real quick stuff manufactured.
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  Speaker 8: Looks yeah, but the completions key, you know, just sort
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  Speaker 8: of chipping away at the sticks whatnot. That's not a
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  Speaker 8: tenant of Kevin O'Connell's offense. Like you look, I watched
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  Speaker 8: my buddy Matt Harmon has a website called Reception Perception
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  Speaker 8: where he does hand charting of all the receivers and
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  Speaker 8: like the routes that they run and their win rate
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  Speaker 8: on those, et cetera, et cetera. Last year, Jordan Addison
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  Speaker 8: had the second lowest rate of slants run by anyone
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  Speaker 8: in his database, any NFL receiver going back like eight years.
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  Speaker 8: It was the second fewest, and it's like, maybe maybe
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  Speaker 8: we should send him on a couple of slants that
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  Speaker 8: It was a scant percentage of screens, as anyone that
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  Speaker 8: watches the Vikings know they don't really do that either,
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  Speaker 8: but a huge preponderance obviously of the downfield stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 8: the O'Connell offense. But if you had your druthers and
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  Speaker 8: a Kyler Murray offense, you would be you'd be doing
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  Speaker 8: a lot more quick hitters with that.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly, yes, exactly, So that's.
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  Speaker 3: What, yeah, I'm wondering about, right.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: So let me ask you this, because yeah, you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: in terms of the quarterback thing here, it's just it's now.
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: It's just it's gonna play out. So I'm not gonna
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: spend too much time on who who you got, blah
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: blah blah blah blah. But I am interested in the
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: tight end position, mister Thor. You know, this used to
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: be such a dominant position for the Vikings. And you know,
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: I'm obviously at older than you, and I'm going back
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: to the seventies and eighties and Steve Jordan's of the
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: World and all this stuff. What do you think about
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: the tight ends that we have and can they kind
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: of recapture some of the glory from just a few
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: years ago, you know, when Hawkson first got here, I mean,
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: you know, he was lighting it up. Now, granted he
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: took an injury, but you know, give me your thoughts
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: real quick on the tight ends of the Minnesota Vikings.
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: I think it's possible that Hawkinson could have a mini resurgence,
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: you know, in comparison to last year. I do think
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: that the high end athleticism that we saw earlier in
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: his career, I do think that that's kind of gone right,
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: like the high octane So since his own acl injury
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: obviously unfortunate early in his tenure with the Vikings. Still
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: a very good football player, though he knows our opinion
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: to his back. He knows the ball skills are great.
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: He doesn't drop a lot of balls either. The one
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: in the end zone that would have been his fourth
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: touchdown last year. I know he's still ticked off about. Yeah,
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: like as far as that goes, But sure handed guy.
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: I have a suggestion for the coaching staff, and this
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: goes along with you know, if, indeed, if you're gonna
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: go with Kyler the way that I would do with Hawkinson.
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: Hockinson has had a lot of the downfield stuff as well,
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: right testing the seam and this sort of stuff, I
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: think the better course of action, if it was gonna
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: be a Kyler Murray offense, would be to try to
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: use Hawkinson more like Arizona used Trey McBride and the
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: motion stuff, shorter the line of scrimmage, use him for
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: some of those manufactured touches. Kyler loved that stuff. One
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: of the other other hallmarks of the tape last year.
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: Whenever you would see the opponent drop into a drop
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: zone right after this snap, you know, like sort of
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: evoking at Donna Tell's defense where after the snap, every
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: defender moves back four yards.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: It was automatic.
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: What you were about to see was Trey McBride run
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: five yards upfield, run a dig route which is essentially
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: just turn around Park put his hands up, and Kyler
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: was gonna h him on the hands is three five
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: yards or plus the yact that McBride is going to
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: manufacture for you. But stuff like that closer to the
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: line of scrimmage, I would like to see them doing
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: that with Hawkinson more. First of all, I think it
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: is an acknowledgment of where he's at right now of
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: maybe the athleticism it's not like twenty five plus yards
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: down field and this sort of stuff. But also I
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: think that would help out Kyler quite a bit too,
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: and and sort of a vol kids sort of relationship
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: with McBride there and the metric ton of targets that
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: he got there as well. And last point on this ventce,
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: Now this isn't the tight end position, but a little
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: bit of Jason here with Juwan Jennings, the best blocking
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: wide receiver in the NFL. Who's going to be in
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: the slot if you don't want to as a coaching
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: staff to send to modify Hawkinson's route treat as much
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: as I'm proposing here, then if it's Kyler Murray's offense,
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: I think Juwan Jennings is in for a much bigger
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: year than people are anticipating. I'm in the fantasy world.
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: You don't hear him forward it as a sleeper. Ever,
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: the guy you hear all the time is Addison. But
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: if Kyler Murray is the quarterback, and if they don't
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: modify Addison's route tree, I don't know what that connection
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: is gonna look like because Kyler doesn't get the downfield
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: driving throw stuff.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: That's a weakness of Kyler's.
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: So you would have to change the usage of Addison
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: I think really to juice him. Whereas Juwan Jennings as is,
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: is a perfect fit for Kyler Murray because it's all
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: within ten yards of the line of scrimmage, outbreakers, in breakers,
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: and it doesn't matter if someone is on him. John
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: Jennings is gonna come down with the ball. It's why
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: they call him third and Juwan in San Francisco. Every
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: single time third down it's an inbreaker. They're gonna bullet
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: the ball at the ball into him. I think he
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: could get a ton of targets again if Kyler was
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: the quarterback.
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: No exactly, And that's the thing, so depending on quarterback,
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: wide receivers, and you know, it all leads to mister
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: JJ there and everything, and.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: You know, if the Vikings have.
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: A shitty season or a season missing the playoffs again,
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: because I think, you know, we're starting to hear a
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: couple of little rumblings from JJ here and there, and
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: you know, you can read into whatever you want. But obviously,
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: I mean, he's not just gonna stay around to stay around.
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: So my question is this, what will it take for
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: the Vikings record wise to make sure that we keep
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: him happy? And you know, and I know, you know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: go deep in playoffs all that stuff, But this year,
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: what is it gonna take for JJ to be happy
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: besides receiving the ball a lot more and not taking
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: the last game to get to a thousand yards?
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, perhaps some more targets, but I don't know that,
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: and maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'll be proven wrong, but
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: he does not strike me as the kind of diva
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: that we have gotten used to at the receiver position
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: in the NFL, where even last year what obviously wasn't
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: what people wanted. But you didn't see him bristling at all, right,
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: you didn't see him, yes, yeah, And there was a
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: lot of people trying to project onto him of oh,
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: he's not gonna be happy with this situation, watch for
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: him to you know whatever.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: There was none of that, and in fact, publicly it
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: was sort of the opposite.
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: Now this isn't to say, like turn him into Sisyphus
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: and see how much he can handle before before he
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: breaks or whatever. But you know, down here, I do
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: not see that guy trying to force his way out.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I just don't.
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: And I hope he never proves me wrong, because we
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: already went through the trading of Randy Moss, one of
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: the greats to ever walk the earth, and now we
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: got another one. I mean, my god, how lucky are we.
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: I don't want to see this franchise trade another This
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: guy was put on.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Earth to do this.
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: This, This is a top five player at his position
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: potentially of all time. Is where Jefferson, I think, is
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: headed here to join Randy Moss where he ought to be. Right,
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: So I want that career to play out here, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: I imagine that it does.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Yes, I hope so too. All Right, ladies and gentlemen,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: score north Thorn and Eistrom joining us.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: We're talking. Vikings training camp opens tomorrow, fans can get
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: out there. Saturday is the first day they opened the
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: gates and let everybody in.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: And let me ask you this.
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: Let's kind of just jump from the Vikings here real quick.
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: Here thor well, we'll come back to them. I do
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: want to get to the defensive side of the ball
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: before I let you go here. But let's just talk
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: about the division real quick. You know, Detroit maybe a
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: little stutter step back last year. Obviously, the Bears, you
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: know that that Rams game. I mean when one of
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: the all time classics, Caleb Williams doing some stuff down there. Obviously,
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: there's always Green Bay, you know, Jordan Love supposedly back healthy. Now,
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: what are your thoughts on the division? And are the
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: Vikings maybe the third or fourth best team in this division?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: They might be, they also might be the first or second.
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: And I mean this is the this is the only
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: division I think in football where you can legitimately make
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: an argument I think for all four teams to either
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: be first, yeah, or potentially last, like even like Green Bay.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Who's like money in the bank.
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: Parsons is gonna be out for half the season. Their
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: defense had wasn't nearly as good with Al Parsons. And
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: then that offense, if if if the Margins close on
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: it and all of a sudden, Jordan Love has to
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: throw a bunch more right. I mean there's a questions
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: with the running back Josh Jacobs as well, if that
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: offense has to go.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Through the air more.
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: The bugaboo with Jordan Love has always been a higher
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: elevation of turnovers the more he's got to put the
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: ball in the air. They've done a really good job,
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: you know, with him and turning him into a really
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: strong quarterback. But that's where that that thing potentially could
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: go wayward. The Lions, we've already seen it last year.
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: Now they're gonna be propped up by playing the NFL's
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: easiest schedule.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: And it still breaks my heart.
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: That the Viking didn't get that because that you know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: I you know that that one game goes the other way.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: The Vikings would have had that one.
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: But I think playing the easiest schedule in the NFL
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: is going to prop them up a bit. Even though
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: I think I think the run of the Lions, you
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: know what they have. I think that's kind of over.
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: But you might get one last sort of year here
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: because of that easy schedule. And then all as far
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: as the Bears go, every sign points to regression there.
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: But they did just they did just win the division, right,
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: and and they are younger and and theoretically getting more
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: talented here. But but there was a lot of fools
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: gold to what they did last year, and now they
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: got to play a significantly harder schedule as the hunted
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: no longer the hunter, right, And so I think that
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: flips it another thing. Like Ben Jonson schemed a lot
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: of touchdowns last year, it's a lot more difficult. I'll
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: use a baseball one for you, Vince, because I know
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: you're you're a multi sport guy. It is much more
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: difficult the second and third time through a lineup to
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: get hit out once they've seen your pitches before. So
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: the Ben Johnson scheming stuff, I'm curious to see if
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: they're able to scratch and claw out some of the
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: stuff that they've done here now that the division has
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: a lot of tape on that guy exactly.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, who wins the NFC North.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Let's just have some fun.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: Every day I go back and forth on this. I'm
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: definitely the Bears are the one team that I am
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: not going to say like they're the one team that
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: I because I absolutely think that.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Regression is coming for them.
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: The Packers, It's dependent on Parsons' health, so that I'm
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: just gonna say the Lions, even though I don't love
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: the Lions, because their schedule is so easy that I
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: I just think the wins are going to be there
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: at the end of the day for sort of one
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: last hurrah there. I don't feel confident about it at all.
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: Like I said, any of these teams I think could
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: finish first and last. I mean, we play in the
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: craziest division in the NFL. It's fascinating to see a
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: play out. But yeah, today, maybe I'll say lines.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: You know, if you ask me today, I would say Detroit.
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: And because of the reasons you just listed with Michael
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: Parsons over in Green Bay and whatnot, I think the
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: Vikings are right there, maybe in second place, depending on
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: you know how that obviously the quarterback plays, and so yeah,
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: I think maybe Detroit two is who I would.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Pick right now. And obviously that can change.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: So folks, again, Sport's done right. I want to thank
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: you for joining us. Appreciate you again. We got Thor
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: joining us here for a couple more minutes. So Thorn,
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: let's get it into the Vikings defense. Hitman, Harry gone,
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: you know, basically, but you know there's there's some there's
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: definitely some names there.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: There's some players that that have been signed. What is
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: the bright spot in your opinion of the Vikings defense
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: right now?
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: Uh?
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: The Brights, Well, Brian Flores is.
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: Easy and I mean he he embeds a floor for you, well,
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: giving you a sky high ceiling. Just the defensive machinations
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: that he does is a mad genius. But outside of that,
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: like stuff I'm looking forward to watching with the defense
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: this year is in particular the defensive front. You know,
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: I've talked about this on our shows, but I was
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: so sick of watching Jonathan Allen and Hargrave play football
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: by like week five, because those guys were clearly we've
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: we've been here, we've done that, we're getting paid. We're
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: not we're not playing run defense that's beneath us, and
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: I was so sick of it. The gaps opening up.
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: It's like the run defense last year was bad because
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: of those two guys. I think, you know, in particular,
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: getting Dominic Orange in there, getting Caleb Banks and we
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: knock on wood and pray to God that his foot
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: is sound, but if it is, you get a havoc
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: greaker there in Caleb Banks. God just doesn't make many
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: human beings like that, with the six foot six, three
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: thirty plus and a seven foot plus wingspan, with big
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: old meat cleaver hands, so explosive, crash in the gaps,
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: like he was a feared, fear player on the college
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: football field.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be the same thing here.
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's funny you see the picture of him
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: sitting next to Dominic Orange, like got a Timberwols game,
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: and it's like Caleb Banks looks like like his father
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: almost like it's like, even next to enormous human beings,
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: Caleb Banks is a different sort of a thing. But
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: getting young guys like that on the defensive front that
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: are gonna start creating havoc again and playing team run defense,
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: right like, let's, you know, let let's sort of get
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: back to that.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Also fascinated to see.
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: Galday, so I guess the sort of for me would
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: be youth of getting because prior to this, Vince the
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: last three years, the three years under Brian Flores, he
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: has never started a rookie defender that the Vikings drafted.
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: He did start one rookie defender that was the undrafted
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: free agent Ivan Pace, but in three only one rookie
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: defender started. This year, you might triple that right between
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: Orange Banks gol Day and we'll see on Jacoby Thomas.
• 31:10
  Speaker 8: I mean, like you know, they have numbers in the
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: safety room even without Harry. But Jacoby Thomas last year
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: was a superstar at Miami and it was a one
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: year pop up year. You know, prior to that in
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: his college career, he hadn't shown that it was an
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: ideal circumstances. But if that was not a mirage, if
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: what we saw last year was real, he is going
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: to be getting on an NFL field really quickly, Jacoby
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: Thomas as well. So getting sort of the youth in
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: there and seeing what Brian Flores can do with it
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: is the thing I'm most fascinated to see on that side.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Of the ball.
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, And I'm just looking at the schedule here, you know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: hoping with the Packers hit the road down to Chicago,
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: got Tampa Bay, Miami, New Orleans, and Indianapolis.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: So a very interesting little stretch there from Minnesota to
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: get going here.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: In the season.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: And let me ask you this, though, which player do
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: you think is poised for a breakout year with the
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: Minnesota Vikings.
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: One guy I'm super bullish on is Jordan Mason, the
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: former teammate of Juwan Jennings. Funny enough, but Juwon Jennings
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: has already had his breakout season, so I don't think
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: I can go that direction. I'm gonna go with Jordan Mason.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: The Vikings bring in Frank Smith. Their whole state of
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: goal this offseason was improving the run scheme but also
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: the run game in general, and they went into the
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: offseason with an idea that they were going to be
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: able to do more to improve the personnel in the
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: running back room, and it didn't work out for them,
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: so they brought Aaron Jones back on the pay cut.
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: But I think that Jordan Mason is going to take
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: over as the bell cow in that system this year,
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: and I think he is going to have a career here.
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: The pass doown stuff is this stuff I think Aaron
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: Jones is going to handle. Jordan Mason is not as
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: good at that, but between the tackles, running the zone concepts,
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: he very comfortable with that, you know, going back to
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: the time at San Francisco and the way he explodes
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: through the whole love the way he runs. He's a
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: hard charger, gets downfield, that kind of a thing. So
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with Jordan Mason to finally give the
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: Vikings some vestiges of a run game.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: Very cool, Yeah, I get it. What are you looking
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: for from training camp real quick, or you know, any
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: particular story. I mean, obviously this is beyond the quarterback situation,
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: but any thoughts on training camp upcoming here.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: In the next day.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, outside of the quarterback thing, I'm I'm excited and
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: curious to see how quickly those young defenders, how quickly
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: they start pressing there, how quickly they get him into
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: the Lineupy.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I'm just sort of that.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: Draft class where Flores basically got the keys for the
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: first couple of days.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I'm very curious to see how, you know, how.
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: Good those guys play initially and how quickly they can
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: get onto the field. That would be a big one
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: for me. I'm also monitoring what the what else the
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: Vikings intend to do in their front seven. Just last night,
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: about twenty four hours ago from when we're recording right now,
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: it was announced that the Vikings are signing had signed
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: Jamal Adams, who was converted to linebacker last year by
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: the Raiders. The Vikings intend to keep him at linebacker
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: and essentially confirmed it with his number today. Is like
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: an old school line. You just love to see it,
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: but you know they're not done yet. That was the
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: first one that The next order of business here is
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: Edge rusher. They have an enormous gap behind that. The
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: Turner and Van Ginkle is great. They do not have
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: the Edge three on the roster right now. The backup
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: edges as constitute right now on paper, they're special teams players.
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: You need to get the guy that can do thirty
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: five percent of the snaps or so flying downhill, attacking downhill.
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: Jadavian Clowney is the guy that I bring up for this.
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: There's also a couple other guys out there that could
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: handle that. But in the Flora system you do have
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: those you know, rotational waves.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: Dallas Turner can't be out there one hundred percent of
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: the snaps full go right and so bringing in the
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: situational pass rusher off the that's what I'm curious to
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: see as well.
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  Speaker 3: And then I guess just just tree tops from from
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: training camp.
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: How now that that's gonna go back to the quarterback thing,
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: but I'm gonna try not to make it as specific,
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: but like they're gonna announce it at some point. O'Connell
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: said today that he is gonna announce the starting quarterbacks sometime.
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: He said that he publicly he said he had the
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: date in his mind, but he didn't, you know, want
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: to give it out whatever. Yeah, I saw that, but
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: I'm curious when you come out of that announcement, will
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: they give themselves enough time to build the offense around
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: the starter? And then how does that kind of look
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: because McCarthy's game is totally different than Kyler's. Those guys
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: play totally different. Like the strengths of McCarthy it's like
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: the velocity, including downfield.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Stuff like that, whereas Kyler it's it's the shorter stuff,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: on time stuff.
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: JJ still needs to learn to play with better timing.
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: Right right now, Kyler processes the feel better. Can JJ
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: show improvements with that, but JJ has a much bigger
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: arm going downfield. He can drive balls into windows that
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: Kyler cannot and Kyler will turn down throw us cause.
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: But whole point being, you have to modify the offense
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: around that quarterback, put your whole offense.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: In the best position to succeed.
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: So can the needle be thread here of doing right
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: by the quarterback competition? So you come out with the
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: best guy for that, But then also you build the
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: correct offense around whichever quarterback you go with.
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: Exactly all right, folks, again, thorn nice from joining us
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: from Score North, appreciate the time.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you this and then we'll get We'll
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: wrap it up here with thor What does success look
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: like in your mind for the Vikings this season? What
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: does that look What is success? What does that look
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: like to you?
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: The Vikings need to win a playoff game in twenty
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: twenty six, that's you know, and I wish I could
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: have higher dreams and be like it's got to be
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: the NFC Championshippers, But they have to win a playoff game.
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: It has been too long. Obviously O'Connell during his tenure
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: has not won one to this point. They need to
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: win a playoff game this year. So I mean, like,
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: if you're you know, what would the goal be before
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: this season? For me, it's that winning a playoff game.
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: And it seems like that's you know, the organization sort
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: of circling the Wagans for that if if they missed
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: the playoffs. I don't know the kind of We're gonna
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: see a lot of changes there, I think, But but yeah,
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: I mean for for this season that I think that's
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: what it is.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: It's not just make the playoffs. It is it is
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: when a playoff game at least one.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: And if they miss you know, kind of piggyback on
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: what you're saying here, Kevin O'Connell has, you know, got
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: been a very popular head coach here.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Last year. I think maybe took a few hits, maybe
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: for the first time.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: And yeah, and that's kind of what I was thinking
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: as well, Or is if we don't make the playoffs
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: this year, And I'm not saying the guy gets fired
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: right away, but I think at that point, you know,
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: the heat it turns towards him a lot more now.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: For oh for sure.
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and you know, even bringing like let's say that
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: that happened and it's a fifth season, missed the playoffs,
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: hasn't won a playoff game to that point, it becomes
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: pretty anomalous over the last thirty years of NFL football
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: that he would come back. In fact, there's only two
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: examples of the last twenty five years in the NFL
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: of a coach that had zero playoff wins through five
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: years who got brought back for a sixth One of
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: them was Marvin Lewis, and Marvin Lewis is funny, he
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: ended up there like seventeen years with the Bengals and
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: finished with something like an oz to six playoff he
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: never won a playoff game.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: The other one was Kubiak for the Texans.
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: Right like right, you know, and he got a longer
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: leash because of where they were in their their franchise history. Obviously,
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: that was the one where it got vindicated because in
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: the sixth season, Kubiak broke through making the playoffs and
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: winning a playoff game by beating Marvin Lewis's Cincinnati Bengals,
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: and he and Kubiak beat him a second time I
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: believe the next year as well. So both the playoff
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: win he got there with Houston, you know, was overlew
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: It but then goes to the Broncos and obviously won
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: the Super Bowl. But those are the only two examples
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: that that you have of that. So yeah, I think
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: for both the coaching staff, a lot of those people
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: in the building that have been there for a bit.
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: That's why it's so important this year make the playoffs,
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: win a playoff game, and if if they missed the playoffs,
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: there's there's gonna be some changes there.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, heads are definitely rolling.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: All right, last question for you Thor, since you are
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: wearing that T shirt.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you.
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: Feel about the squad jumping up with the big boys
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: and what are you expecting for their first season in
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: real Division one college football?
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: I absolutely love it, you know, and by the way,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: I do, I do too. I think it was it was.
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: It was time, you know, all the crap I talk
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: about in DYSU. You know a bunch of people that
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: have gone there. But I respect the hell obviously out
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: of what they did and and the championships and you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: really like three dynasties you know along the way here
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: these over the past twenty five thirty years, it has
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: just been phenomenal. Like I said, you know, come down
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: beat the Gopher and by the beating a lot of.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Division one teams. Talk to Kansas State, talk to a
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: few others.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Talk to Iowa, where I graduate school.
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: I was at a buddy's wedding that day when Indy
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: as You upset Iowa, and it was like in the
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: pre you know, you wait, you're with your buddies like
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: an airbnb.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: That was awful.
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: I was just getting mocked by like this whole wedding
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: party for three and a half hours. Interestingly, my brain
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: only works with football, so like I'm not a savant
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: with anything else. That was the exact same date that
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: Lamar Jackson absolutely lit up Florida State with with Louisville.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: That was like kids sort of national flag plant plan day.
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: But yeah, that was awful watching that, and I'm stoked
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: for dye issue to come up, Like I think, I
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: just think it's really interesting. You don't have anything have
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: to prove at the subdivision, and you could have said
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: that five six years ago. I mean, at this point,
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: you know, it's it's like a cat playing with mice.
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: You got to go go up now and and compete
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: for something at the higher level there. And I think
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: the Mountain West is going to have some real issues
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: with NDESU the way that that team is built, and
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: they play sort of pro style as well, so it's
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: not gimmickry, right. I mean, they find guys that fall
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: through the cracks in recruiting and they build them up
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: with their famous weight program and everything like that.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I just love the way that they do stuff.
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: And yeah, I think they're going to be a very
• 41:35
  Speaker 8: real problem, and maybe not in I don't think they're
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: eligible initially, but watch out for them in the CFP
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: in future years whenever they, you know, get past the
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: I think I think you have to wait a year
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: or two with the which are stupid.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: But yeah, any issue is gonna be a problem there.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: There you go, all right, tell them where they can
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: find you for social media.
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: He's on Score North people, he is the man, the
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: voice of the Vikings over there on Scoring North.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: So yeah, tell the folks where they can find you
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: on social media.
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: And appreciate you events. Yeah at thor Ku on Twitter
• 42:10
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• 42:14
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• 42:17
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• 42:18
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• 42:21
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• 42:24
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• 42:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh no problem, man, just keep it up and yeah,
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: we'll hit you up obviously through the season. I just
• 42:32
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• 42:36
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• 42:38
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• 42:40
  Speaker 4: I do appreciate it.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: My friend, of course, always great to talk to you events.
• 42:44
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• 42:48
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• 42:52
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• 42:56
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• 43:01
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• 43:04
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• 43:07
  Speaker 7: do in Pittsburgh this year? Is you got one last
• 43:09
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• 43:14
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• 43:17
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