Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 1032: Foundations - How to Tag a Late Season Longbeard
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host,
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast.
- 0:22Speaker 2: I'm your host, Tony Peterson. I want to deviate from
- 0:25Speaker 2: deer this week to talk about turkeys once more before
- 0:27Speaker 2: we get out of this season, but specifically late season turkeys.
- 0:30Speaker 2: What I want to talk about and how most hunters
- 0:32Speaker 2: get everything wrong when trying to beat a buzzer beater bird. Look,
- 0:41Speaker 2: I know that down south, some turkey seasons are already
- 0:43Speaker 2: wrapped up, while up here in the North Country there's
- 0:46Speaker 2: quite a bit of life left in the spring season
- 0:48Speaker 2: for anyone still sitting on some turkey tags. You know,
- 0:51Speaker 2: with some days left to chase them. The late season
- 0:53Speaker 2: is going to become a reality one way.
- 0:54Speaker 3: Or the other.
- 0:55Speaker 2: This is the least desirable part of the season for
- 0:57Speaker 2: most hunters, but that doesn't mean it's not worth it,
- 1:00Speaker 2: just can't approach it like earlier hunts, which is what
- 1:02Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about right now. If you look
- 1:09Speaker 2: at the stats from most states, probably all of them,
- 1:13Speaker 2: at least all of them with turkeys, you'll see that
- 1:15Speaker 2: the earliest parts of the turkey season are all front
- 1:18Speaker 2: loaded with pressure. Harvest reports bear this out, and it's
- 1:22Speaker 2: also just not all that hard to anecdotally come to
- 1:25Speaker 2: that conclusion. It's kind of like how most whitetail hunters
- 1:28Speaker 2: will take their rut caation the first week of November
- 1:30Speaker 2: and not the third. It only makes sense on paper,
- 1:34Speaker 2: but in the real world it's not so simple.
- 1:36Speaker 3: What if you'd rather be.
- 1:37Speaker 2: The only hunter out there who's working the birds versus
- 1:40Speaker 2: being one of many.
- 1:41Speaker 3: There's validity to that.
- 1:43Speaker 2: What if you'd rather hunt birds in better weather, or
- 1:46Speaker 2: when the food is everywhere and the hens are guaranteed
- 1:48Speaker 2: to be nesting and the long beers need to cover
- 1:50Speaker 2: a lot of ground every day before the equivalent of
- 1:52Speaker 2: turkey bar clothes and it's off to sleep on a
- 1:54Speaker 2: limb I'll buy themselves for another night. Look, I'm not
- 1:58Speaker 2: saying that hunting the late season is more than hunting
- 2:00Speaker 2: the early season anymore than I try to convince you
- 2:03Speaker 2: that you know you're better off starting your rut cation
- 2:05Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving instead of Halloween, at least in most places.
- 2:09Speaker 2: But I'm also not going to say that this time
- 2:11Speaker 2: of year sucks for turkeys. It just requires a different approach.
- 2:15Speaker 2: When I first started turkey hunting way back in the
- 2:18Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds, we didn't have very many birds, but we
- 2:21Speaker 2: had many people who wanted to hunt them. Here in Minnesota,
- 2:24Speaker 2: we had a lottery system to draw one of several seasons,
- 2:27Speaker 2: and as you can guess, the first season was the
- 2:29Speaker 2: top priority for most hunters. So when I turned twelve,
- 2:32Speaker 2: which was the legal age I could start, I applied
- 2:35Speaker 2: for that season and didn't draw, which means I didn't hunt.
- 2:39Speaker 2: Then I turned thirteen, and I applied for that season,
- 2:41Speaker 2: and I didn't draw, which means I didn't hunt. Then
- 2:45Speaker 2: when I was fourteen, I did draw, and I did hunt.
- 2:48Speaker 2: And by golly, the lonely two year old, on the
- 2:50Speaker 2: fourth day of my five day season that came strutting
- 2:53Speaker 2: right in after flydown and ended up well within range.
- 2:56Speaker 2: My little twenty gage represented the culmination of a long
- 3:00Speaker 2: wait on my part and a much longer wait on
- 3:02Speaker 2: my dad's part. Problem then, was I had gotten a
- 3:05Speaker 2: taste of turkey hunting, and boy, did I like it now.
- 3:08Speaker 2: We weren't the kind of people who traveled to seven
- 3:10Speaker 2: states from April to May to chase another Grand Slam,
- 3:13Speaker 2: if you get my drift. So I looked at that
- 3:15Speaker 2: draw odds and I realized that I would have to
- 3:17Speaker 2: wait at least two more years for another first season TAG,
- 3:21Speaker 2: or I could apply for a last season TAG and
- 3:23Speaker 2: hunt every season like a lot of us.
- 3:26Speaker 3: I'm the kind of fellow.
- 3:27Speaker 2: Who would rather hunt and have a potentially shitty hunt
- 3:29Speaker 2: than not hunt and have a potentially easier hunt. So
- 3:33Speaker 2: I applied for a last season TAG, drew it and
- 3:36Speaker 2: killed a big tom my first morning out. That bird,
- 3:39Speaker 2: unlike my first, was not very fired up. He saw
- 3:43Speaker 2: my decoys and he heard my calling, and he didn't
- 3:45Speaker 2: care until I ramped things up a little bit with
- 3:47Speaker 2: my push button yelper. The following year, I applied for
- 3:51Speaker 2: the last season again, and the birds that I called
- 3:53Speaker 2: in the first morning I was hunting came in on
- 3:55Speaker 2: a string. What I realized was that a lot of
- 3:58Speaker 2: people didn't want to hunt them, but the birds were
- 4:01Speaker 2: still doing their thing, and it was actually easier to
- 4:03Speaker 2: kill them than it was in the first season. That
- 4:06Speaker 2: was a small sample size. My friends and my views
- 4:09Speaker 2: have changed a lot since then. But the lesson here
- 4:12Speaker 2: is this, I just wanted when I could, and it
- 4:14Speaker 2: worked out. It's no different than when I was, you know,
- 4:18Speaker 2: that same age, trying to arrow my first deer and
- 4:20Speaker 2: carrying a steel chain on stand into the woods and
- 4:23Speaker 2: out of the woods almost every day. I didn't know
- 4:26Speaker 2: a different way, and it almost always put me around deer,
- 4:28Speaker 2: even if I couldn't hit them to save my life.
- 4:31Speaker 2: I didn't start out with a fear of mobile hunting
- 4:33Speaker 2: anymore than starting out my turkey career, you know, with
- 4:36Speaker 2: a disdain for the late season, because I didn't know
- 4:38Speaker 2: any better. Sometimes when we just don't know better, it's
- 4:42Speaker 2: actually a really really good thing. This comes up in
- 4:45Speaker 2: my hunting life all the time, and I think it's
- 4:47Speaker 2: one of the things that holds most hunters back. They
- 4:51Speaker 2: think they know better than to do this or that,
- 4:54Speaker 2: or make this call or hunt these days, and they
- 4:56Speaker 2: really don't. Eventually, in Minnesota, I figured out that if
- 4:59Speaker 2: I applied for the turkey season that fell on the
- 5:01Speaker 2: same weekend as the Walleye opener, I could hunt earlier
- 5:05Speaker 2: in May and draw every year.
- 5:06Speaker 3: I killed birds every year and.
- 5:08Speaker 2: It was always a gift to get to hunt somewhere earlier,
- 5:11Speaker 2: but it didn't really matter. Again, the birds were out
- 5:14Speaker 2: there and they were workable, but you have to understand
- 5:16Speaker 2: what is going on with them. Look, the field edge
- 5:19Speaker 2: thing is still real and it could still happen. It
- 5:21Speaker 2: happened all season long, but it's generally just less effective
- 5:25Speaker 2: than it is earlier in the season. I believe there's
- 5:28Speaker 2: a couple of reasons for this. The first is that,
- 5:31Speaker 2: just like with bow hunting white tails, the field edges
- 5:33Speaker 2: draw most of the hunting pressure. That doesn't totally negate
- 5:37Speaker 2: the effectiveness of sitting a field edge, but it definitely
- 5:40Speaker 2: nullifies it some.
- 5:41Speaker 3: But then you have the food factor.
- 5:44Speaker 2: I called in a hen in Nebraska this spring that
- 5:46Speaker 2: spent some time feeding in front of me on a
- 5:48Speaker 2: warm April afternoon, and I washed her eat some broad
- 5:51Speaker 2: leaf greenery that looked like maybe it could be dandy lyons,
- 5:55Speaker 2: and then I washed her pickoff some foxtail seeds, which
- 5:58Speaker 2: I always look for when I'm hunting doves Sember, although
- 6:00Speaker 2: I don't know why I feel the need to tell
- 6:02Speaker 2: you that. Then I saw her post up over a
- 6:05Speaker 2: gopher mound and start picking away. Since she was only
- 6:08Speaker 2: like fifteen yards from my blind, I could pull up
- 6:11Speaker 2: my SIGs in glass and see kind of what she
- 6:14Speaker 2: was munching on, which I'm pretty sure we're ants.
- 6:17Speaker 3: It was some kind of insect. Anyway.
- 6:19Speaker 2: Now fast forward a couple of weeks, when every type
- 6:22Speaker 2: of plant on the land is all greened up and lush,
- 6:24Speaker 2: and every insect that is going to be out is
- 6:26Speaker 2: out tossing some snails and some frogs, and some snakes
- 6:29Speaker 2: and some mice and anything that a turkey can catch,
- 6:32Speaker 2: which is a lot of stuff, and you realize they.
- 6:35Speaker 3: Have a ton of options.
- 6:37Speaker 2: Hens need to eat about three hundred and fifty to
- 6:39Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty calories a day to maintain weight,
- 6:42Speaker 2: which ramps up when they are producing eggs and then nesting,
- 6:45Speaker 2: which they certainly are in most places right now. They
- 6:49Speaker 2: are going to go not only where the variety of
- 6:52Speaker 2: food is highest, but that the high protein food is
- 6:55Speaker 2: most available. This generally doesn't jive with fields that have
- 6:59Speaker 2: been picked over by deer and turkeys since fall of
- 7:03Speaker 2: last year unless it's been raining a whole bunch and
- 7:06Speaker 2: the crawlers and the worms are out, then fields can
- 7:08Speaker 2: be money, but mostly the cover is where it's at,
- 7:12Speaker 2: And yes, they'll definitely feed along logging roads and throughout
- 7:15Speaker 2: meadows where the grasshoppers are thick. You don't just have
- 7:18Speaker 2: to stare at a total wall of vegetation in some
- 7:20Speaker 2: mature bucks betting area to whack a late season tom,
- 7:23Speaker 2: but you often need to get off the fields. One
- 7:26Speaker 2: of the last times I hunted mid May here in Minnesota,
- 7:30Speaker 2: I fell into that field edge trap and I had
- 7:32Speaker 2: some birds gobble, and I had some birds show themselves,
- 7:35Speaker 2: but I mostly listened to them pingponging around through the woods. Now,
- 7:39Speaker 2: I had taken a fellow out for his first time
- 7:41Speaker 2: turkey hunting ever that season, so I felt like it
- 7:43Speaker 2: would just be easiest for us to hop on a
- 7:45Speaker 2: field edge and cross our fingers. Didn't work out, and
- 7:49Speaker 2: the morning after he had at home, I had a
- 7:51Speaker 2: half a day to fill my tay, And after sitting
- 7:54Speaker 2: the first two hours and listening to a repeat of
- 7:56Speaker 2: the same turkey activity, I slipped into the woods in
- 7:59Speaker 2: the direction of a tom that was gobbling just often
- 8:02Speaker 2: enough to tell me he was spending some time on
- 8:04Speaker 2: a benched out ridge. Now, when I got to the
- 8:06Speaker 2: lip of it, I called and he gobbled very close.
- 8:10Speaker 2: I didn't really have time to set up, so I
- 8:12Speaker 2: just hid behind a tree on one knee embraced myself.
- 8:16Speaker 2: It didn't take long before I saw his fan, and
- 8:18Speaker 2: then I saw his girlfriend as they both moved my way.
- 8:22Speaker 2: She gave me a quick crash course on turkey feeding
- 8:25Speaker 2: behavior as she picked her way through the woods and
- 8:28Speaker 2: not only grabbed a leaf for a blade of grass
- 8:30Speaker 2: here or there, but clearly spotted different bugs and tried
- 8:33Speaker 2: to munch on them. Killing her boyfriend was one of
- 8:36Speaker 2: those lessons that just stuck. And I think about that
- 8:39Speaker 2: hunt all of the time when I'm struggling for a
- 8:41Speaker 2: buzzer beater bird. But it's not just enough to get
- 8:54Speaker 2: into the cover. You have to understand how to call
- 8:58Speaker 2: and decoylates he's and birds as well. And I know
- 9:01Speaker 2: I've talked about my decoy strategy from early April to
- 9:03Speaker 2: the end of May a lot, so I won't go
- 9:05Speaker 2: down that rabbit hole again other than to say I
- 9:07Speaker 2: follow the general vibe of the actual birds. Early on,
- 9:11Speaker 2: they're flocked up and using the same food sources and roosts.
- 9:15Speaker 2: As the season progresses, the flocks break up and they
- 9:18Speaker 2: have many more options for feeding and roosting. They have
- 9:21Speaker 2: also figured out their dominance hierarchies and are much more
- 9:24Speaker 2: interested in love than fighting. This means my full strutter
- 9:28Speaker 2: decoy stays home, and often all of my jake decoys too.
- 9:32Speaker 2: I like a single hend or two because that's what
- 9:34Speaker 2: the birds expect to encounter. There is also a safety
- 9:37Speaker 2: aspect here, you know it's worth touching on it. I
- 9:40Speaker 2: hunt a lot of public land and a lot of
- 9:42Speaker 2: private land that has other hunters on it. The late
- 9:44Speaker 2: season woods are tough to see through, and having a
- 9:47Speaker 2: decoy with a bright redhead or a bright white head
- 9:50Speaker 2: in front of me while I can't see fifty yards
- 9:52Speaker 2: away doesn't make me feel great in a lot of situations.
- 9:55Speaker 2: And the same goes for reaping, which looks really cool
- 9:58Speaker 2: on Instagram reels, but is not something I'd be comfortable
- 10:01Speaker 2: doing after spring greenup, and to be honest, I'm not
- 10:03Speaker 2: all that comfortable with it at any time. It's just
- 10:06Speaker 2: really not my jam either way. The point stands, though,
- 10:09Speaker 2: think about your safety because things are different out there
- 10:12Speaker 2: now than they were a month ago.
- 10:14Speaker 3: Now.
- 10:14Speaker 2: As for calling, I go pretty hard. I've come more
- 10:18Speaker 2: and more to the realization that I have to make
- 10:21Speaker 2: animals believe they have no choice but to come check
- 10:24Speaker 2: me out when I'm calling. I do this for deer
- 10:26Speaker 2: a lot, and while it doesn't always work, it works
- 10:29Speaker 2: for me more than you know, soft conservative calling does.
- 10:33Speaker 3: Most of the time. It's not even really that close.
- 10:36Speaker 2: I think most hunters call too little and aren't confident
- 10:39Speaker 2: in their calling. I think during the last couple of
- 10:41Speaker 2: weeks of the season this gets further amplified by the
- 10:44Speaker 2: thought that the whole thing is winding down and the
- 10:46Speaker 2: birds have been pressured enough already. I also think there
- 10:50Speaker 2: is something too trying out different calls. Years ago, I
- 10:53Speaker 2: hunted rio grand turkeys in Texas with an outdoor writer
- 10:56Speaker 2: named Bob Humphrey. He's the kind of fellow who takes
- 10:59Speaker 2: turkey hunting real seriously, and when I saw what he
- 11:02Speaker 2: had in his turkey vest I asked him why he
- 11:04Speaker 2: had so many calls with him. His answer was something
- 11:07Speaker 2: to the effect of that he could get a bird
- 11:10Speaker 2: to gobble just about no matter what by cycling through
- 11:13Speaker 2: as many different styles of calls as he could, and
- 11:16Speaker 2: I kind of believe he was right. Now, I have
- 11:18Speaker 2: a Phelps call with me that I can kind of
- 11:21Speaker 2: key key to start my yelping sequence, so it's real
- 11:24Speaker 2: high pitch and then drops into a rasp byelp and
- 11:28Speaker 2: a lot of the birds I've encountered this spring will
- 11:30Speaker 2: go nuts over it. It cuts through the wind really
- 11:32Speaker 2: well and just elicits responses. But when it doesn't, I
- 11:36Speaker 2: go with something even rasp beer. And when that doesn't work,
- 11:40Speaker 2: I go the other way and I take out a
- 11:42Speaker 2: couple different slate calls. It's not magic, but it works
- 11:45Speaker 2: better than not doing it, so I'm going to keep
- 11:47Speaker 2: doing it. This also allows me to really sell a
- 11:50Speaker 2: scene with my calling, which is real important to getting
- 11:53Speaker 2: late season gobblers to commit. Think about it this way.
- 11:56Speaker 2: If you were hunting in late November and had a
- 11:59Speaker 2: doe in front of you just feeding away, and then
- 12:02Speaker 2: you look in the far corner of the field and
- 12:03Speaker 2: you see one hundred and fifty inchest standing there, you
- 12:06Speaker 2: would think he might come over to that dough, but
- 12:10Speaker 2: you probably wouldn't believe it because you know that a
- 12:12Speaker 2: feeding dough just doesn't really give off Estra's vibes. Now,
- 12:16Speaker 2: you see that same buck in the corner, but the
- 12:18Speaker 2: dough in front of you does that little doe prance,
- 12:20Speaker 2: and then she squats to pee while looking around.
- 12:23Speaker 3: The whole thing.
- 12:24Speaker 2: Suddenly shifts same dough, same distance from the buck. But
- 12:28Speaker 2: her body language tells a different story, and it's one
- 12:31Speaker 2: he likes to read. Take that to the late May
- 12:34Speaker 2: Turkey woods. Those toms have heard three or five or
- 12:37Speaker 2: seven note yelping sequences hundreds of times throughout the spring,
- 12:41Speaker 2: and when he was all fired up in the early season,
- 12:44Speaker 2: that might have been all he needed to hear. But
- 12:46Speaker 2: now he's run down, he's over it, and he needs
- 12:49Speaker 2: just a little more coaxing. I look at it like
- 12:51Speaker 2: you have nothing to lose, and if he won't commit
- 12:54Speaker 2: to conservative calling, give him something to think about. If
- 12:58Speaker 2: he hears two hens or thinks he two hens yapping
- 13:01Speaker 2: back and forth, that's a different thing. If he hears
- 13:04Speaker 2: a hen cutting her heart out, that's different. If he
- 13:07Speaker 2: hears a hen yelping with all of her might, that's different.
- 13:11Speaker 2: I firmly believe you need to give them something to
- 13:13Speaker 2: think about, and then you have to do something really,
- 13:16Speaker 2: really difficult.
- 13:17Speaker 3: You have to be patient.
- 13:19Speaker 2: A late season bird might Gobble has had off coming in,
- 13:22Speaker 2: but mostly he probably won't. He's probably had enough sketchy
- 13:26Speaker 2: encounters to know that his best bet is to go
- 13:29Speaker 2: into stealth mode and take a long look around from
- 13:32Speaker 2: as safe of a distance as he can get. The
- 13:35Speaker 2: hunter who gets antsy after twenty minutes and tries to
- 13:38Speaker 2: go creeping is the hunter who will hear the dreaded
- 13:40Speaker 2: putt or see a redhead bobbing away through the brush,
- 13:44Speaker 2: and who might be tempted to take, as my wife's
- 13:47Speaker 2: uncle likes to call it, a kiss my ass shot.
- 13:50Speaker 2: That's no bueno, but I know the feeling of impatience
- 13:53Speaker 2: in the Turkey woods. What I do to keep my
- 13:55Speaker 2: intrusive thoughts at bay is to set a hard time
- 13:58Speaker 2: limit for myself, and I settle into a spot that
- 14:02Speaker 2: used to be maybe half an hour to an hour,
- 14:05Speaker 2: but now I sit longer. I like to give each
- 14:07Speaker 2: set up at least an hour, and it's crazy how
- 14:10Speaker 2: often a bird will show up, like fifteen or twenty
- 14:12Speaker 2: minutes after I've made my last call, and I'm seriously
- 14:15Speaker 2: wondering what the view will be like farther down the
- 14:17Speaker 2: ridge or deeper into the valley. Late season, birds often
- 14:21Speaker 2: don't run into your calling, and when it comes to
- 14:24Speaker 2: a battle of wills and patience. They'll beat almost every
- 14:27Speaker 2: hunter almost every time. And if there is one point
- 14:31Speaker 2: I think I'll try to drive home with this podcast.
- 14:33Speaker 2: More than anything, it's that you don't want to be
- 14:36Speaker 2: like most hunters. You want to do things differently because
- 14:39Speaker 2: the average results are just not all that appealing.
- 14:42Speaker 3: Now.
- 14:43Speaker 2: I get that it's hard to sit tight when the
- 14:44Speaker 2: woods are buzzing with mosquitoes and the ticks are everywhere,
- 14:48Speaker 2: But if you're dead set on hunting late season birds,
- 14:50Speaker 2: you're also going to have to deal with the reality
- 14:52Speaker 2: of hunting late season birds spray down or treat your
- 14:56Speaker 2: clothes for ticks. I've had a few buddies get Alpha
- 14:58Speaker 2: Gael syndrome in the last couple years, and it scares
- 15:00Speaker 2: the shit out of me, and it should scare you too.
- 15:03Speaker 2: Not being able to eat red meat is no good
- 15:06Speaker 2: and is still better than getting lime disease in a
- 15:09Speaker 2: lot of cases, not as far as the mosquitoes go.
- 15:12Speaker 2: If you don't have one, go get yourself a thermoseel.
- 15:14Speaker 2: This is probably my favorite piece of gear for late
- 15:16Speaker 2: season turkey hunting, and it makes the whole thing so
- 15:19Speaker 2: much more tolerable. It's also the antidote to losing your
- 15:22Speaker 2: mind and giving in to impatience. While it might not
- 15:26Speaker 2: be the most appealing time to be out there hunting turkeys,
- 15:30Speaker 2: try to focus on the positives of the late season.
- 15:32Speaker 2: The hunting pressure will be as light as it's going
- 15:34Speaker 2: to be all season, which is a huge plus. The
- 15:38Speaker 2: birds generally won't be as vocal as they were earlier on,
- 15:41Speaker 2: but if you get one to talk, you have one
- 15:43Speaker 2: to work with, which is important. The hens are almost
- 15:46Speaker 2: certainly nesting and almost certainly not interested in breeding, which
- 15:50Speaker 2: means the toms are after a needle in a haystack,
- 15:53Speaker 2: and they'll cover a lot of ground to find it.
- 15:56Speaker 2: They are receptive to calling a decoy, but you have
- 15:59Speaker 2: to match the real bird situation and get them going,
- 16:02Speaker 2: which is pretty fun when it works. It's the last
- 16:05Speaker 2: gasp of the season, so why not see what you
- 16:08Speaker 2: can do with it before it's too late and you
- 16:09Speaker 2: have to wait another ten months to hear a gobble again.
- 16:12Speaker 2: Get out there and fill your tags if you have them,
- 16:14Speaker 2: and come back next week because I'm going to talk
- 16:16Speaker 2: about hunting deer and why curious hunters are often the
- 16:19Speaker 2: best hunters.
- 16:21Speaker 3: That's it for this week. I'm Tony Peterson.
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