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Mega Edition: Michael Proctor And The Karen Read Investigation (9/27/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. This
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Speaker 1: Karen Reid trial is one of the biggest circuses I've
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Speaker 1: ever seen. And the fact that this trooper had the
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Speaker 1: audacity to be this unprofessional while conducting the investigation is
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Speaker 1: just straight up ridiculous. And honestly, it just goes to
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Speaker 1: the heart of the whole entire issue that I have
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Speaker 1: with what went down. And that's that the Canton Police Department, obviously,
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Speaker 1: littered with liars and drunks. And to be clear, I
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Speaker 1: don't think that there is some big conspiracy here after,
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Speaker 1: you know, John O'Keefe was killed in that house. But
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Speaker 1: I do believe that the investigation was piss poor. And
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Speaker 1: I believe that based on the investigation and the evidence
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Speaker 1: provided so far in court, that there is no way
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Speaker 1: that they're going to get the jury to come to
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Speaker 1: a unanimous verdict, especially considering the text messages that were
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Speaker 1: sent by Trooper Proctor. So let's get to this article
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Speaker 1: from the New York Post and let's see what's going on.
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Speaker 1: Karen Reed investigator forced to read unprofessional and regrettable text
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Speaker 1: during the murder trial. This article was authored by Isabel Keene.
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Speaker 1: The Massachusetts state trooper leading the investigation into the death
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Speaker 1: of Karen Reed's boyfriend read aloud disparaging text he wrote
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Speaker 1: calling the suspect a whack job cunt and retarded at
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Speaker 1: her murder trial Monday and admitted to making fun of
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Speaker 1: her Crohn's disease and sending other regrettable jokes. Now let
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Speaker 1: that sink in for a minute. I don't care where
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Speaker 1: you fall when it comes to Karen Reid being innocent
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Speaker 1: or guilty. This behavior right here is unacceptable no matter
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Speaker 1: how you chop it. And it doesn't matter who was
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Speaker 1: on trial, by the way. If this dude was the
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Speaker 1: investigator investigating Rex Uerman or Ghislaine Maxwell, I'd be saying
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Speaker 1: the same shit. It's not too much to ask for
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Speaker 1: a lead investigator especially to have some tact and, you know,
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Speaker 1: act professional. Not asking for a lot here. And obviously
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Speaker 1: for Trooper Proctor, that was too much. And if you
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Speaker 1: want to talk about blowing things up in your own face,
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Speaker 1: this is how you do it. In messages sent to
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Speaker 1: his childhood friends, Lieutenant Michael Proctor referred to Reed as
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Speaker 1: a babe with no ass and joked about searching through
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Speaker 1: her phone for nudes during his investigation into the death
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Speaker 1: of her Boston cop boyfriend, John O'Keefe, whom she allegedly
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Speaker 1: mowed down with her car and left for dead. And
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Speaker 1: keep in mind that Trooper Proctor is obviously a law
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Speaker 1: enforcement official, and he's over here joking around after a
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Speaker 1: cop was just killed? Yeah, that's real professional. You're a
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Speaker 1: hell of a guy there, Trooper Proctor. I don't have
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Speaker 1: an explanation other than they're regrettable, and it's something I'm
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Speaker 1: not proud of. The language that I used, Proctor said
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Speaker 1: of his texts on Monday, according to Boston.com. Yo, imagine
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Speaker 1: this was you and somebody was sending these kinds of texts.
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Speaker 1: And at the same time, they have the power over
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Speaker 1: you to send you to jail. I mean, that's pretty terrifying.
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Speaker 1: And is it too much to ask for there to
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Speaker 1: be a little bit of responsibility and for the investigators
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Speaker 1: to conduct themselves in a professional and responsible way? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think that's all anybody's asking here. And this just
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Speaker 1: adds to the optics that we all have seen throughout
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Speaker 1: this whole thing about how piss poor the investigation has been.
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Speaker 1: From the actual collection of evidence to this nonsense. In
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Speaker 1: one set of texts, Proctor wrote, she waffled him. I
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Speaker 1: looked at his body in the hospital. He was banged up.
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Speaker 1: In another message, he added, she hit him with her car.
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Speaker 1: So he's just out here, Judge and Jerry? Not only
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Speaker 1: do you investigate, you're the one who... Passes the decision.
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Speaker 1: So what you're telling me is that Trooper Proctor's bitch
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Speaker 1: ass is the arbiter of truth? Sounds legit. In response,
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Speaker 1: one of his friends asked, she hot at least? To
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Speaker 1: which Proctor replied, she's a whack job cunt. Yeah, she's
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Speaker 1: a babe. Weird Fall River accent though. No ass. Is
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Speaker 1: this dude really talking about somebody else's accent? Go pock
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Speaker 1: my car, lame ass Red Sox fan. Other messages reveal
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Speaker 1: a proctor making light of Reed's Crohn's disease, writing, She's
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Speaker 1: got a leaky balloon knot. Leaks poo. Oh man, this
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Speaker 1: guy's an absolute tool. A real unit. And you know
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Speaker 1: what's crazy? Old boy's married. How do you think his
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Speaker 1: wife feels about these text messages? Imagine dude shows up
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Speaker 1: at his house, and his badge and all his shit's
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Speaker 1: out on the lawn waiting for him. If I was
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Speaker 1: his wife and I heard this shit at 8, I'm
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Speaker 1: divorcing him at 9. And talking about Karen Reed's medical conditions,
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Speaker 1: that could be a HIPAA violation, no? I would think
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Speaker 1: that Trooper Proctor has stepped in it here, and he's
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Speaker 1: gonna feel some sort of blowback. While under questioning, Proctor
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Speaker 1: acknowledged that his messages were unprofessional, but also argued these juvenile,
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Speaker 1: unprofessional comments have zero impact on the facts and the
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Speaker 1: evidence and the integrity of this investigation. Well, I disagree
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Speaker 1: with that. If I was a juror, I'd be looking
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Speaker 1: at Proctor almost like Mark Furman. Maybe not to that level,
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Speaker 1: but somebody that's not trustworthy? somebody that's out here screwing
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Speaker 1: around on the job. And if he can't be professional
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Speaker 1: when he's texting, what makes me think that he's professional
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Speaker 1: when he's conducting the investigation? I'm the kind of motherfucker
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Speaker 1: that when you show me who you are, I believe you, right?
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Speaker 1: When you tell me who you are, I'm listening. And
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Speaker 1: Proctor has told us that he's an absolute clown who
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Speaker 1: has no business being a police officer. Proctor also confirmed
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Speaker 1: that he texted his wife on June 9th, 2022, the
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Speaker 1: day Reed was indicted and arrested in O'Keefe's death, that
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Speaker 1: he was waiting to lock this whack job up. Now,
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Speaker 1: what makes her a whack job? And why are you
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Speaker 1: calling her that? Can't you just say, hey, babe, look,
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Speaker 1: I'm at work. I got some business to take care of.
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Speaker 1: We had an incident today. Another officer was killed and
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Speaker 1: we're trying to figure everything out. But no, you have
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Speaker 1: to be a wise guy, like you're some kind of
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Speaker 1: sarcastic smartass. Meanwhile, one of your brothers in blue is
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Speaker 1: laying dead, and a woman is now being charged with murder.
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Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you have time for jokes, stupid.
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Speaker 1: When asked why he made those comments, Proctor rattled off
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Speaker 1: evidence in the case, telling the courtroom based on Mr.
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Speaker 1: O'Keefe's injuries, Ms. Reed's statements, when Sergeant Buchanick and I
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Speaker 1: interviewed her, her broken taillight, some taillight pieces found at
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Speaker 1: the scene, the compelling evidence pointing directly at Ms. Reed,
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Speaker 1: That she struck John O'Keefe with her vehicle led me
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Speaker 1: to make those comments. That's crazy. I have friends who
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Speaker 1: are police officers, who are detectives, and they would never,
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Speaker 1: ever say anything like this, especially over text message, maybe
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Speaker 1: out in person or whatever, you know, at the bar
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Speaker 1: after the investigation's completed. Hey, Bobby, check this out. I
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Speaker 1: had this crazy person. Okay, I get that. But in
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Speaker 1: the middle of a case, you just arrested somebody. You
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Speaker 1: don't have all the details, all the evidence, and she's
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Speaker 1: a whack job. I mean, come on, man. And just
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Speaker 1: to reiterate, I'm not one of these people that's going
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Speaker 1: to sit here and say, oh, Karen Reid's innocent, freer.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. But what I do know is that
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Speaker 1: this whole entire investigation is tainted and the investigation has
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Speaker 1: been garbage from Jump Street. And every single citizen in
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Speaker 1: this country deserves a fair shake in front of a judge.
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Speaker 1: And they don't deserve a stacked deck, right? Where people
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Speaker 1: are out here shitting on your name, acting like you're
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Speaker 1: a crazy person, spreading rumors about you. None of that's good.
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Speaker 1: especially when it's coming from the lead investigator in the case.
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Speaker 1: That's the kind of shit that leads to juror nullification.
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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, I would not be shocked
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Speaker 1: to see some juror nullification when all is said and
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Speaker 1: done here. Here's an idea, pal. Collect the evidence and
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Speaker 1: shut your stupid mouth. Proctor continued, like I said, they
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Speaker 1: were not professional comments, but based on the day's investigation,
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Speaker 1: it was clear that Ms. Reed had struck Mr. O'Keefe
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Speaker 1: with her vehicle. What do you mean it was clear?
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Speaker 1: That's not your job to decide that. Your job is
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Speaker 1: to investigate, provide the facts, provide the evidence, and that's
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Speaker 1: where it ends. But no, Mr. Proctor over here... This dumb,
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Speaker 1: stupid moron thought it would be a good idea to
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Speaker 1: stick himself right in the middle of all this with
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Speaker 1: all of this BS nonsense, all these text messages, and
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Speaker 1: all of these out-of-pocket comments. So for all the people
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Speaker 1: out there that are going batshit crazy, you know, talking
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Speaker 1: about justice for John O'Keefe, you should be mad at
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Speaker 1: this dude. 1,000%. Proctor read more text messages from a
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Speaker 1: group chat where a fellow trooper sent a photo of
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Speaker 1: one of Reed's lawyers, David Dianetti, on August 17th, 2022. Funny,
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Speaker 1: I'm going through his retarded client's phone. No nude so far,
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Speaker 1: Proctor said he wrote. I hate that man. I truly
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Speaker 1: hate him. Well, good. You should hate the lawyer that's
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Speaker 1: going up against you. I don't want a lawyer that
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Speaker 1: the prosecution's not going to hate. I want a lawyer
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Speaker 1: that's going to come in there and go absolutely better
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Speaker 1: call Saul on the prosecution. Guess what? The gloves are
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Speaker 1: off inside the courtroom. All these people crying about Yannetti
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Speaker 1: and Jackson. Guess what? If the court wanted to sanction them,
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Speaker 1: the court would have sanctioned them. Have they been sanctioned?
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Speaker 1: They haven't, so they might be towing the line, but
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Speaker 1: they're doing everything in their power to try and get
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Speaker 1: their client off. Breaking news, that's their job. He confirmed
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Speaker 1: that Reed was the client in question and said he
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Speaker 1: does not look through suspects' phones for nude photos and
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Speaker 1: claimed that he can still be an objective investigator despite
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Speaker 1: the poor joke that he made. I believe poor jokes
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Speaker 1: and unprofessional language have no bearing on the integrity in
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Speaker 1: the facts and physical evidence of this case, Proctor asserted. Well,
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. How do we know they're jokes? Because
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Speaker 1: you're telling us? You don't have any credibility, sir. So
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Speaker 1: you could tell me until you're blue in the face,
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Speaker 1: or until that dome piece of yours turns beet red.
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Speaker 1: But the answer's going to be, I don't believe you.
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Speaker 1: And that's your own fault. Nobody else's fault, not Karen Reid's,
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Speaker 1: not Alan Jackson's, not David Dianetti's. It is Trooper Proctor's
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Speaker 1: fault that nobody believes him. And as bad as I
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Speaker 1: think things have been going for the prosecution, they have
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Speaker 1: gotten a whole lot worse, folks. This dude reading those comments?
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Speaker 1: Live in court like that? Did you see the reaction
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Speaker 1: from some of the jurors? Reed's lawyers then suggested that
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Speaker 1: a proctor had made up his mind about Reed's guilt
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Speaker 1: before investigating the case. 1000%, that's what the text messages
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Speaker 1: tell us. And it's not going to be good for
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Speaker 1: the prosecution. I'm telling you right now, the jurors. is
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Speaker 1: paying attention. In other words, Trooper Proctor, you don't get
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Speaker 1: to pick a suspect and then try to find evidence
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Speaker 1: to support your choice, right? He asked. Correct, Proctor replied.
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Speaker 1: But in this case, that's exactly what you did, isn't it?
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Speaker 1: Jackson pressed. Absolutely not, Proctor said. Reed, 44, who is
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Speaker 1: facing second-degree murder charges, has maintained her innocence. Her defense
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Speaker 1: attorneys say that Proctor's texts support their claim that she's
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Speaker 1: the scapegoat in a conspiracy involving various branches of mass
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Speaker 1: law enforcement. The trial is set to resume Wednesday morning,
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Speaker 1: with Proctor still under cross-examination. Well, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: it proves that. In fact, I don't think it proves that.
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Speaker 1: What it does prove, in my opinion, is that Trooper
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Speaker 1: Proctor is not somebody that should be believed, and that
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Speaker 1: his whole entire testimony should probably be thrown out. and
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Speaker 1: any work that he did on this case should be
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Speaker 1: looked at sideways. And I can almost guarantee you that
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Speaker 1: when this is all said and done, and we hear
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Speaker 1: from the jurors, they're going to point back to Trooper
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Speaker 1: Proctor's testimony and how large it loomed during deliberations and
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Speaker 1: when they rendered a verdict. Because this is the kind
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Speaker 1: of shit that makes juries absolutely crazy. So Trooper Proctor
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Speaker 1: is back on the stand today, so I expect some
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Speaker 1: more fireworks on the stand. So I'm interested to watch
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Speaker 1: the back and forth between Proctor... and between Karen Reed's team,
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Speaker 1: and I'm curious to see just how big of a
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Speaker 1: pile of shit Mr. Proctor steps in today. All right, folks,
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Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
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Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
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Speaker 1: in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
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Speaker 1: to the program. During our five years together, we have
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Speaker 1: witnessed all kinds of wacky, crazy-ass cases. But when we're
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Speaker 1: talking about a bunch of knuckleheads... being involved in a case,
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Speaker 1: or inserting themselves into a case, I don't think we
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Speaker 1: could find one that is more chock full of stupidity
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Speaker 1: than the Karen Reid trial. I don't think I've ever
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Speaker 1: seen anything like it, honestly, and that's really why I
12:01
Speaker 1: haven't been talking about it lately, because there's too much
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Speaker 1: of a circus surrounding what's going on. You have people
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Speaker 1: on either side of the argument cheering like it's some
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Speaker 1: sort of sporting event, And these moronic content creators, thinking
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Speaker 1: that they're part of the story, inserting themselves as main characters,
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Speaker 1: really turns me off. And there's just a whole bunch
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Speaker 1: of stupidity surrounding what's going on. And it seems like
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Speaker 1: the levels of stupid get amped up each and every day. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: in the background, we have a trial going on, and
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Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out what happened to John O'Keefe.
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Speaker 1: And to somebody who came into this cold, I don't
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Speaker 1: think that the Commonwealth made their case, folks. I don't
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Speaker 1: think there was enough there there. And considering the scattershot
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Speaker 1: nature of this investigation, I don't know how anyone who
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Speaker 1: comes in cold could look at it and say, ah,
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Speaker 1: you know what? I'm comfortable with what went down. I
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Speaker 1: think that the investigation was on point, and I think
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Speaker 1: that the investigators knew exactly what they were doing. I
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Speaker 1: don't think anybody out there thinks that or is going
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Speaker 1: to say that. Nobody who's impartial. Now, I've seen people
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Speaker 1: that are, I guess you would say, cheering for the commonwealth,
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Speaker 1: talk a bunch of nonsense throughout this trial. Like, are
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Speaker 1: you really going to try and gaslight people who are
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Speaker 1: listening to you? People who are watching your program? That
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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of evidence here that slams home the
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Speaker 1: case and proves that Karen Reid hit John O'Keefe beyond
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Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt? Because I haven't seen anything that even
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Speaker 1: comes close to raising to that level. And now that
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Speaker 1: the Commonwealth has ended their case, they've finished their argument.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how anyone could think that that was
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Speaker 1: sufficient to put somebody in jail for murder. Now look,
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Speaker 1: maybe if they would have charged her with, like, vehicular
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Speaker 1: homicide or something like that, manslaughter or something like that, maybe.
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Speaker 1: But they overcharged her, the evidence is garbage, and as
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Speaker 1: we're about to find out in this article, this Trooper
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Speaker 1: Proctor dude really screwed everything up. Today's article is from 10Boston,
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Speaker 1: and the headline... Proctor's conduct in Karen Reed case may
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Speaker 1: betray his training. Exclusive documents show may betray his training.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that there's any police officer in the
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Speaker 1: land who would think this is a good idea unless
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Speaker 1: you're an absolute buffoon who's gotten away with a bunch
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Speaker 1: of bullshit before and it's looking like Mr. Proctor might
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Speaker 1: be that kind of guy. This article was authored by
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Speaker 1: Kathy Curran. Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor was the
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Speaker 1: lead investigator in the high-profile Karen Reed murder trial and
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Speaker 1: has been in the spotlight for his conduct and handling
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Speaker 1: of the high-profile case. Now look, bro, you're not only
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Speaker 1: investigating a murder, you're investigating the murder of a fallen
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Speaker 1: police officer, one of your brothers in blue. Don't you
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Speaker 1: think you're going to go the extra mile? Don't you
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Speaker 1: think you're going to collect evidence at the scene the
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Speaker 1: right way? Why are you using a blower? Oh, well,
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of snow. I don't want to
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Speaker 1: hear that shit. Get out there on your hands and
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Speaker 1: knees and dig through that snow. Why are you using
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Speaker 1: a stop and shop or whatever bag to put evidence in?
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Speaker 1: You fools don't have anything to store evidence in so
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Speaker 1: it won't get contaminated? Is that what you'd really have
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Speaker 1: me believe? Maybe a few less trips to the bar
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Speaker 1: and a few more trips to training classes. The conduct
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Speaker 1: revealed during Proctor's testimony in the trial is another stain
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Speaker 1: on the Mass State Police and there could be serious
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Speaker 1: implications for Proctor himself. Proctor took an oath back in 2014,
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Speaker 1: and now, 10 years later, experts say his actions, and
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Speaker 1: admissions in this case, may have betrayed the badge. May have? Look,
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Speaker 1: I'm not somebody who's out here thinking that everybody's perfect, right?
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Speaker 1: And people make mistakes all the time. But the text
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Speaker 1: messages that this dude was sending, in the middle of
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Speaker 1: this investigation? Now, again, I get it, dudes. We talk
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Speaker 1: some wild shit, there's no doubt about it. And we
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Speaker 1: say some crazy shit to each other. Stuff most of
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Speaker 1: us would probably never say in public, right? But this
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Speaker 1: is different. You're a police officer. This is somebody you're investigating.
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Speaker 1: Have some integrity. Don't you realize that at some point
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Speaker 1: your text messages might be subpoenaed as part of the
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Speaker 1: overall investigation? But here he is out here talking this nonsense.
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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. all those people that are,
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Speaker 1: you know, F Karen Reed, this, that, the other thing,
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Speaker 1: would you feel the same way if it was your mother,
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Speaker 1: or you on trial, and you had the lead investigator
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Speaker 1: talking like this? I find it to be crass, and
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Speaker 1: if I was in charge of what's going on for
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Speaker 1: the state police, I'd be getting rid of Mr. Proctor.
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Speaker 1: When Proctor took the witness stand, he read some of
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Speaker 1: the vulgar text he sent from his private cell phone
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Speaker 1: to family, friends, and fellow troopers about Karen Reed, the
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Speaker 1: woman accused of killing her boyfriend, Boston Police Officer John O'Keefe.
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Speaker 1: Reed's defense has maintained that she is being framed as
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Speaker 1: part of a large-scale cover-up and has pointed to Proctor
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Speaker 1: as a key factor. Proctor was a member of the Mass.
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Speaker 1: SP's 81st Recruitment Training Troop graduating in 2014. State police
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Speaker 1: records obtained by NBC10' s Boston investigators show that he completed
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Speaker 1: thousands of hours of training throughout the years including skills
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Speaker 1: like smartphone forensics, fair and impartial policing, investigative techniques, and
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Speaker 1: crime scene. Since joining the District Attorney's Detective Unit in 2019,
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Speaker 1: Proctor has completed additional training on digital cell phone records
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Speaker 1: and homicide investigations. They better up that training because bro
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Speaker 1: obviously needs it. This is not a good police officer.
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Speaker 1: This is not a good representation of those who wear
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Speaker 1: the badge. This is exactly the kind of person that
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have a badge. This man right here should not
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Speaker 1: be in charge of who's going to jail and who's
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Speaker 1: not going to jail. And obviously, he can't be relied
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Speaker 1: upon to lead an investigation. A, this investigation was shitty. B,
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Speaker 1: he's involved in all kinds of misconduct. So what do
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Speaker 1: you do? Do you reduce him down to a desk job?
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Speaker 1: Probably what's going to happen considering the union. But if
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Speaker 1: I had my way, this man would be fired. Just
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Speaker 1: like you would be fired from your job if you sucked.
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Speaker 1: If I got on here every day and talked a
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Speaker 1: bunch of nonsense that nobody cared about, well, nobody would
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Speaker 1: tune in, right? And then I'd have to go find
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Speaker 1: a job like everybody else. Well, Mr. Proctor, you're on
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Speaker 1: the fucking clock, clown. And is there anything more disruptive
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Speaker 1: and more destructive to an investigation than a police officer
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Speaker 1: who's an absolute clown? Boston defense attorney Doug Luzon has
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Speaker 1: represented law enforcement in criminal and civil cases across the
18:49
Speaker 1: state for decades. When asked about Proctor's controversial texts, Luzon
18:53
Speaker 1: told us he thought any rational person, trained or not,
18:57
Speaker 1: would know that sending those texts were inappropriate behavior. Yeah,
19:00
Speaker 1: you don't have to be a fully trained police officer
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Speaker 1: to know that that's not good. If you're a middle
19:06
Speaker 1: manager at McDonald's and you sent these kinds of text messages...
19:10
Speaker 1: about anybody, and the company found out, do you think
19:13
Speaker 1: you'd keep your job, or do you think your ass
19:15
Speaker 1: would get fired? But much like these moronic professors that
19:19
Speaker 1: we see at these universities, hanging out with these little terrorists,
19:22
Speaker 1: a lot of these police officers, they're protected by the union.
19:26
Speaker 1: And the union will go the extra mile, no matter what,
19:29
Speaker 1: to protect their brothers in blue. And inevitably what it
19:33
Speaker 1: does is it makes people not trust the unions, makes
19:36
Speaker 1: people not like the police officers because it feels like
19:39
Speaker 1: they're being covered for. And unfortunately, the ban plays on.
19:43
Speaker 1: And when you have the optics that we have here,
19:45
Speaker 1: it's not good. This man should have been fired yesterday.
19:48
Speaker 1: The fact that he was... the lead investigator and felt
19:51
Speaker 1: so unrestrained in his language shows a stunning lack of
19:54
Speaker 1: judgment and it shows a lack of supervision the lack
19:58
Speaker 1: of someone jumping in and saying this is inappropriate and
20:01
Speaker 1: that trickles back to the first night he showed up
20:03
Speaker 1: on that scene As soon as he became aware of
20:06
Speaker 1: who was involved as witnesses, he should have stepped back
20:08
Speaker 1: and said, look, I can't take this case, Lusson said.
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Speaker 1: And well, you'd have to have some integrity to do that, right?
20:14
Speaker 1: But instead, Proctor had to be the big man, and
20:17
Speaker 1: now we all find ourselves taking a bite of this
20:20
Speaker 1: shit sandwich. Testimony has also shown that Proctor was familiar
20:24
Speaker 1: with some of the key witnesses in the case. Several
20:27
Speaker 1: investigations have been launched into the handling of the Reed case.
20:30
Speaker 1: Multiple sources tell us an ongoing federal investigation opens the
20:35
Speaker 1: door to Proctor's personal texts. They also tell us the
20:38
Speaker 1: state's Peace Office Standards and Training Commission, which certifies police officers,
20:42
Speaker 1: is monitoring the case, and an internal investigation by state
20:45
Speaker 1: police is underway. Well, hallelujah. This man has done an
20:50
Speaker 1: incredible amount of damage, honestly. This is horrible. And if
20:54
Speaker 1: you had the goods on Karen Reed, and you had
20:57
Speaker 1: her dead to rights, then just prosecute the case. There's
21:00
Speaker 1: no need for all the bullshit. But when you see
21:02
Speaker 1: all this bullshit pop up, and then there's a bunch
21:05
Speaker 1: of questions about the process, then people are definitely not
21:09
Speaker 1: going to be on board and just say, oh, you
21:11
Speaker 1: know what? The state's right. Let's give them the benefit
21:14
Speaker 1: of the doubt. If anything, anyone who's paying attention understands
21:18
Speaker 1: that the state has so much power that they can't
21:20
Speaker 1: be given the benefit of the doubt. The state has
21:22
Speaker 1: to do everything the right way. Everything has to be
21:26
Speaker 1: done correctly. All I's dotted. All T's crossed. No bullshit.
21:31
Speaker 1: No prosecutorial misconduct. and something like this from a lead investigator, folks,
21:36
Speaker 1: this is not good. And if you think the jury's
21:39
Speaker 1: out there saying to themselves, uh, this is no big deal,
21:42
Speaker 1: you're crazy. While on the stand, Proctor defended his work, saying,
21:46
Speaker 1: these are unprofessional, but they absolutely did not detract from
21:49
Speaker 1: the integrity of the investigation. When referring to the text
21:53
Speaker 1: he sent, the Mass State Police have rules, regulations, and
21:57
Speaker 1: policies that include organizational values, codes of ethics, Unbecoming conduct,
22:03
Speaker 1: bias-based policing, dissemination of information, and telephone use. Well, how
22:07
Speaker 1: many of those rules has Mr. Proctor broken? Seems to
22:11
Speaker 1: me just about all of them. Retired state trooper Todd
22:14
Speaker 1: McGee called Proctor's behavior devastating to a law enforcement professional's career.
22:19
Speaker 1: He said he doesn't reflect the behavior of most troopers,
22:22
Speaker 1: but what's been exposed may have violated the oath that's
22:25
Speaker 1: supposed to be upheld. May have? I understand, you know,
22:29
Speaker 1: back the blue and all that, but Sometimes when a
22:31
Speaker 1: dog shows you its ass, well, it's just an ass.
22:36
Speaker 1: The conduct is clearly egregious. Conduct must always complement the
22:40
Speaker 1: department and must always be in the highest regard, in
22:43
Speaker 1: a sense, to protect the name of the state police.
22:45
Speaker 1: There are probably three or four different areas that could
22:48
Speaker 1: trigger violations, said McGee. The county district attorney's office told
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Speaker 1: us Proctor is still performing his normal duties. Proctor's conduct
22:57
Speaker 1: raises possible Brady-less concerns. that could prevent him from testifying
23:01
Speaker 1: in future cases. Mass State Police had no comment for
23:04
Speaker 1: this story, and NBC10 Boston investigators never heard back from
23:08
Speaker 1: Proctor's lawyer. Oh, of course not. Now he has nothing
23:11
Speaker 1: to say, huh? Bro had a lot to say in
23:13
Speaker 1: those text messages. Has nothing to say now, though, does he? Folks, look,
23:18
Speaker 1: people like this are no good, and they shouldn't be
23:20
Speaker 1: in the position that he's in. And there needs to
23:23
Speaker 1: be some sort of remedy to address this. This man
23:26
Speaker 1: shouldn't even be a security guard at the mall, in
23:28
Speaker 1: my opinion. Some people aren't cut out for this shit.
23:31
Speaker 1: Chances are Mr. Proctor was one of those dudes who
23:34
Speaker 1: was bullied as a kid and this is his chance
23:36
Speaker 1: to get some comeback, right? Oh, I'm a big bad
23:39
Speaker 1: police officer now in Canton. Oh yeah, big bad police officer.
23:43
Speaker 1: Have another beer, you moron. And keep this in mind.
23:46
Speaker 1: While all this bullshit's happening and this sideshow's taking place
23:49
Speaker 1: between content creators and other people, Mr. O'Keefe's dead and
23:54
Speaker 1: nobody is any closer to figuring out once and for
23:58
Speaker 1: all what happened. And a lot of that blame, if
24:01
Speaker 1: not all of it, lands directly at the feet of
24:05
Speaker 1: the investigators. And I think that when all is said
24:07
Speaker 1: and done, and we get a verdict here, and then
24:10
Speaker 1: we start hearing from the jurors, that's exactly the story
24:13
Speaker 1: they're going to sing. All right, folks, that's going to
24:16
Speaker 1: do it for this one. All of the information that
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24:23
Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. When
24:27
Speaker 1: discussing Karen Reed... and the situation that we see going
24:31
Speaker 1: on in Massachusetts, I think it's relatively obvious to anyone
24:35
Speaker 1: who's paying attention, and who doesn't have any skin in
24:38
Speaker 1: the game, that the investigation into John O'Keefe's death is
24:43
Speaker 1: an absolute travesty. From the very beginning to the very end,
24:49
Speaker 1: these state troopers up in Mass really shit the bed.
24:54
Speaker 1: And inevitably, if Karen Reid gets off here, The only
24:58
Speaker 1: people anyone should be mad at are these investigators because
25:02
Speaker 1: the way they went about their business is disgusting. And
25:05
Speaker 1: if this is standard operating procedure up there in Canton,
25:09
Speaker 1: then I think it's a good time for some of
25:12
Speaker 1: the other cases that have been tried in Canton to
25:16
Speaker 1: be looked at once again. And if I was somebody
25:18
Speaker 1: who got arrested up there and felt like I got
25:20
Speaker 1: hosed and got a raw deal, you better believe I'd
25:23
Speaker 1: be calling my lawyer and looking for some sort of
25:26
Speaker 1: avenue here to travel down to try and get a
25:28
Speaker 1: new trial based on the BS that you see with
25:31
Speaker 1: these investigators. And reasonable people out there, they look at
25:34
Speaker 1: this and they say, there's no way this was the
25:36
Speaker 1: first time. So how many other people have been railroaded
25:40
Speaker 1: by shitty investigations in Canton? Today's article is from NBC
25:46
Speaker 1: News and the headline, Karen Reid Murder Trial. Messy investigation
25:51
Speaker 1: exposes problems with police work that the public rarely sees,
25:55
Speaker 1: experts say. Well, there's no doubt about it, but let's
25:58
Speaker 1: not get carried away. This isn't all police. This is
26:03
Speaker 1: the Canton Police Department. So let's not extrapolate and try
26:07
Speaker 1: and say that every police organization, every police department handles
26:11
Speaker 1: things the way they do in Canton, because that is
26:13
Speaker 1: not true either. This article was authored by Tim Stello.
26:19
Speaker 1: Jurors weighing the murder case against Karen Reed, the masked
26:22
Speaker 1: woman accused of running down and killing her police officer
26:25
Speaker 1: boyfriend in 2022, ended the week without a verdict Friday,
26:29
Speaker 1: their fourth day of deliberations, after a trial that included
26:33
Speaker 1: dozens of witnesses and allegations of botched detective work. I
26:37
Speaker 1: don't even think they're allegations, right? I think that from
26:40
Speaker 1: what we've seen and what we heard, anyone who is
26:44
Speaker 1: a reasonable person who doesn't have a dog in this
26:47
Speaker 1: fight walked away saying to themselves, this is an absolute travesty.
26:52
Speaker 1: This whole investigation is garbage. And I've heard that from
26:56
Speaker 1: multiple people who haven't even followed this case. Other colleagues
27:01
Speaker 1: of mine, people in my personal life who really came
27:04
Speaker 1: in cold and who are basing their opinions off what
27:07
Speaker 1: they saw at this trial. And then you have another
27:11
Speaker 1: cadre of people who believe that the evidence is clear
27:14
Speaker 1: and Karen Reid is the killer. And look, I'm not
27:18
Speaker 1: going to dispute that there is certainly some evidence pointing
27:20
Speaker 1: at Karen Reid. There is no doubt. I'm not one
27:23
Speaker 1: of these, oh, we got a free Karen Reid because people.
27:27
Speaker 1: But if you've been listening to this podcast, you know
27:30
Speaker 1: that I'm a big stickler when it comes to procedure.
27:34
Speaker 1: And if the government steps out of line and there's
27:36
Speaker 1: prosecutorial misconduct or the investigators are shitty, well, that's on them.
27:41
Speaker 1: That's on the state. The state already has so much
27:44
Speaker 1: power that we can't cede more to them. They can
27:48
Speaker 1: subpoena you. They can get all your records. They can
27:51
Speaker 1: bring your friends in. They have a lot of power.
27:54
Speaker 1: So the investigators have to toe the line and they
27:57
Speaker 1: have to follow the rules. And if they don't follow
27:59
Speaker 1: the rules and instead try to be, you know, vigilantes
28:02
Speaker 1: or cowboys or whatever, then you better expect that they're
28:05
Speaker 1: going to be met with some blowback and some pushback
28:09
Speaker 1: if that's ever exposed. And that's where we're at now.
28:12
Speaker 1: So the question once again becomes, how many other cases
28:16
Speaker 1: like this up in Canton are there? Reed's defense lawyers
28:20
Speaker 1: argue that the investigation was flawed with undisclosed conflicts of
28:24
Speaker 1: interest offensive text messages, and a failure to consider alternative suspects.
28:29
Speaker 1: So basically accusing the investigators of having tunnel vision. And look,
28:34
Speaker 1: if the evidence is clear, I get it 100%. But
28:37
Speaker 1: how can we look at what's going on here and
28:40
Speaker 1: the evidence that's collected and say that that's, you know, convincing?
28:44
Speaker 1: We don't have DNA evidence. We have what, a hair
28:47
Speaker 1: on the fender? They live together. So look, folks, again,
28:51
Speaker 1: don't get it twisted, okay? Don't get it confused. I'm
28:54
Speaker 1: not sitting here and telling you I know what happened.
28:56
Speaker 1: I do not know what happened. But I will say this.
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Speaker 1: In a court of law, it's beyond a reasonable doubt.
29:04
Speaker 1: So if there's any doubt whatsoever with the evidence, you
29:07
Speaker 1: can't convict. So I'm very, very curious as to what's
29:10
Speaker 1: going on in that jury room and what the sticking
29:13
Speaker 1: point is right now. And it's going to be very
29:15
Speaker 1: interesting to see after the verdict is rendered what these
29:18
Speaker 1: jurors have to say. They've alleged a conspiracy among law
29:22
Speaker 1: enforcement officers to cover up the death of Boston police
29:25
Speaker 1: officer John O'Keefe at the hands of one of their
29:28
Speaker 1: own and Frame Reed in his killing. Regardless of the
29:32
Speaker 1: trial's outcome, legal experts said the proceedings exposed an often
29:36
Speaker 1: hidden side of law enforcement that can be rife with problems. Look,
29:39
Speaker 1: there is no... doubt there are some issues that need
29:42
Speaker 1: to be addressed and there are you know dirty cops
29:46
Speaker 1: cops that are going to cover for other cops cops
29:48
Speaker 1: that are going to lie cheat and steal and unfortunately
29:52
Speaker 1: when we see that it really puts everybody in a
29:55
Speaker 1: bad light and people who are already down on law
29:58
Speaker 1: enforcement They're going to utilize that, right? They're going to
30:01
Speaker 1: use that as a tool. And they're going to point
30:03
Speaker 1: at this and say, look, look at how terrible this is.
30:05
Speaker 1: We need to defund the police. But the reality is
30:09
Speaker 1: we need to retrain the police. We need to make
30:11
Speaker 1: sure they have all of the training needed, all of
30:14
Speaker 1: the resources available that they need. And then once all
30:17
Speaker 1: of that occurs, we have to hold them to a
30:20
Speaker 1: high standard. And the unions and all the other people
30:23
Speaker 1: that want to get in the way when there's a
30:25
Speaker 1: bad apple, They need to understand that they're hurting their
30:28
Speaker 1: cause overall in the long run. And if there's a
30:32
Speaker 1: bad apple with convincing evidence that they're up to no good,
30:35
Speaker 1: they have to go. Because way too often, these police
30:38
Speaker 1: officers that are up to no good, they're protected by
30:42
Speaker 1: that blue line, right? Or like Alan Jackson said, that
30:46
Speaker 1: blue wall. One of the legacies of the Karen Reed
30:49
Speaker 1: murder prosecution is that it puts a spotlight on some
30:52
Speaker 1: of the flaws and missteps in the police investigation, said
30:55
Speaker 1: Daniel Medwed, a professor of law and criminal justice at
30:59
Speaker 1: Northeastern University and an expert on wrongful convictions. If there
31:03
Speaker 1: are missteps and sloppiness in a murder investigation involving the
31:07
Speaker 1: death of a police officer, what does that suggest about
31:10
Speaker 1: the process in a more run-of-the-mill case with a civilian victim,
31:13
Speaker 1: he said. And this has been my point from the jump.
31:16
Speaker 1: We're talking about a police officer who was killed here.
31:19
Speaker 1: And this is the kind of investigation that they launched? Now,
31:23
Speaker 1: I can see how people are like, look, this has
31:25
Speaker 1: to be a conspiracy theory. This has to be some
31:27
Speaker 1: sort of conspiracy between the police and others to put
31:32
Speaker 1: the blame on Karen Reid. because it's very hard to
31:34
Speaker 1: believe that an investigation could be this bad and this shoddy.
31:38
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, in my opinion, that's what it is, a
31:42
Speaker 1: bad investigation. And a bad investigation leads to no justice
31:47
Speaker 1: for anyone. This should be cause for concern and some evaluation,
31:51
Speaker 1: he added. Yeah, I think that's an understatement. Stara Romer,
31:55
Speaker 1: a former Dallas County prosecutor turned criminal defense lawyer in Texas,
32:00
Speaker 1: said the actions of the lead investigator in the case,
32:02
Speaker 1: Mass State Trooper Michael Proctor, reflect a problem with some
32:06
Speaker 1: police officers who show little respect for the subjects of
32:09
Speaker 1: an investigation. Like, how hard is it not to send
32:13
Speaker 1: those kinds of text messages? Is it really that difficult
32:15
Speaker 1: to be professional? When I worked at the sportsbook, believe me,
32:19
Speaker 1: there was a lot of shit I wanted to say
32:21
Speaker 1: to a lot of people. Guess what I did? I
32:24
Speaker 1: shut my mouth and I remained professional. And I certainly
32:27
Speaker 1: wasn't investigating anyone for murder. But yet we have this
32:31
Speaker 1: do not over here, Mr. Proctor, who thinks it's a
32:34
Speaker 1: good idea to send these kinds of text messages as
32:36
Speaker 1: he's the lead investigator of this case, as if that's
32:40
Speaker 1: not going to come back to bite you. And once again,
32:42
Speaker 1: if Proctor's acting like this. With a police officer lying
32:46
Speaker 1: dead in his district in his area of investigation, how
32:50
Speaker 1: do you think he feels when it's a regular person? Tom, Dick,
32:53
Speaker 1: or Harry gets mugged and killed. You think Proctor is
32:57
Speaker 1: going to interrupt his day to do the right thing?
33:00
Speaker 1: Come on, folks. We've all seen the way this dude
33:02
Speaker 1: gets down, and if anyone deserves to be fired, it's
33:05
Speaker 1: Trooper Proctor. At trial, Proctor acknowledged making derogatory comments about
33:10
Speaker 1: Reed and sharing details about the investigation with friends and family.
33:15
Speaker 1: He testified that the comments were unprofessional but did not
33:18
Speaker 1: compromise the investigation. What an idiot. We're having this conversation
33:22
Speaker 1: right now, aren't we? Stupid. So yeah, I would say
33:25
Speaker 1: your bullshit really comes close to compromising this investigation. And
33:29
Speaker 1: if it comes back with a not guilty verdict, a
33:32
Speaker 1: lot of it's going to rest on your shoulders, stupid.
33:35
Speaker 1: I have never seen this kind of appearance of impropriety,
33:38
Speaker 1: Romer said. I'm sure that it happens every day, the
33:41
Speaker 1: difference between this case. And other cases is that generally
33:45
Speaker 1: the detectives going home and talking to whoever about a case,
33:48
Speaker 1: they're not talking about it with people who know the
33:51
Speaker 1: people that are involved in the case and are potential suspects.
33:54
Speaker 1: Like for real, you want to go home and you're
33:57
Speaker 1: a detective and you want to talk in generalities about
34:00
Speaker 1: a case you're working on. Cool. Don't step out of line.
34:04
Speaker 1: Don't talk about the evidence in the case and certainly
34:06
Speaker 1: don't talk about people's medical conditions because people are going
34:10
Speaker 1: to talk about work, right? I know I have some
34:12
Speaker 1: friends who are police officers, detectives and otherwise, who talk
34:16
Speaker 1: about work. They never get into specifics, and I never ask.
34:20
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you right now, if one of my
34:22
Speaker 1: friends who is a detective started talking through his hat
34:25
Speaker 1: about some shit like this, I'd ask him if he
34:27
Speaker 1: was okay or if he was smoking toad venom. If
34:30
Speaker 1: I were a police officer and I saw this, it's like,
34:33
Speaker 1: how are you expected to go out and do your job,
34:35
Speaker 1: she added. How do you trust the police? The Mass
34:38
Speaker 1: State Police did not respond to her request for comment.
34:41
Speaker 1: A message left on a number listed for Proctor was
34:44
Speaker 1: not returned. A night out and an after-party. Readin' O'Keefe, 46,
34:49
Speaker 1: who had been a Boston police officer for 16 years,
34:53
Speaker 1: had been at a bar with other current and former
34:55
Speaker 1: law enforcement officers the night before he was found dead.
34:59
Speaker 1: O'Keefe had planned on going to an after-party at the
35:01
Speaker 1: home of now-retired Boston police sergeant, prosecutors have said, but
35:06
Speaker 1: never made it inside. O'Keefe was discovered in the front
35:09
Speaker 1: yard of Brian Albert's home around 6 a.m. on January 29, 2022.
35:15
Speaker 1: He was later pronounced dead at a local hospital. The
35:18
Speaker 1: medical examiner attributed his cause of death to blunt force
35:21
Speaker 1: trauma to the head and hypothermia, and Reed was later
35:25
Speaker 1: charged with second-degree murder, vehicular manslaughter, and other crimes. She
35:29
Speaker 1: pleaded not guilty. Yo, they really stacked the charges here,
35:33
Speaker 1: hoping to get one, right? And I don't really like that.
35:36
Speaker 1: I think that each of these charges should have to
35:38
Speaker 1: be charged and have to be adjudicated and tried separately. Again,
35:42
Speaker 1: I don't think that the state should have any sort
35:44
Speaker 1: of unnecessary advantage over the citizens. I don't think that
35:48
Speaker 1: that is the way we should be doing things. If
35:50
Speaker 1: you want to try somebody for vehicular manslaughter, try them
35:53
Speaker 1: for that. If you want to try somebody for second
35:55
Speaker 1: degree murder, well, you better be able to meet your
35:57
Speaker 1: burden of proof. Try them for that. But don't bundle
36:01
Speaker 1: it all together. prosecutors have alleged that Reed, drunk and
36:04
Speaker 1: angry over her troubled relationship with O'Keefe, backed her SUV
36:08
Speaker 1: into her boyfriend while dropping him off at the after party.
36:12
Speaker 1: At trial, Norfolk County Assistant District Attorney Adam Lally said
36:17
Speaker 1: vehicle data from Reed's Lexus showed her SUV traveled backwards
36:20
Speaker 1: for 60 feet at 24 miles per hour outside Albert's home.
36:25
Speaker 1: The SUV taillight was broken, Lally said, and pieces of
36:29
Speaker 1: it were later found outside Albert's home. Yeah, like 10
36:32
Speaker 1: days later or something? Okay, obviously, hyperbole there. But you
36:37
Speaker 1: mean to tell me that nobody could find these pieces
36:39
Speaker 1: of the shattered taillight the night it happened? They just
36:43
Speaker 1: happened to find them the next day, the next couple
36:45
Speaker 1: of days? Oh, the snow, the snow, the snow. You
36:48
Speaker 1: dudes don't have flashlights and shit? What's going on? You're
36:52
Speaker 1: from Canton, Massachusetts. It snows all the time. How is
36:56
Speaker 1: it that the police department or state police are incapable
37:00
Speaker 1: of performing an investigation... in these kinds of weather conditions.
37:04
Speaker 1: That would be like the police in Las Vegas not
37:06
Speaker 1: being able to perform when it's hot. Ah, yeah, sorry guys.
37:10
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to collect that information. It was a
37:11
Speaker 1: little too hot out. I wasn't able to grab that.
37:14
Speaker 1: You know, we'll have to go back in a few days.
37:16
Speaker 1: What sort of dumbass cowboy cop type bullshit is this?
37:20
Speaker 1: And for me, again, as somebody coming into this cold,
37:23
Speaker 1: if I was a juror, there is no way I
37:25
Speaker 1: could convict on what I've seen here. Forensic testing showed
37:29
Speaker 1: that O'Keefe's hair was on the vehicle's bumper. And his
37:32
Speaker 1: DNA was on the taillight, Lally said. Lally also pointed
37:36
Speaker 1: to Reed's own comments, I hit him. That emergency personnel
37:39
Speaker 1: recalled her saying on the morning of January 29th. And
37:43
Speaker 1: for me, look, when somebody's panicked, when somebody's in a state,
37:46
Speaker 1: they say some shit. I've seen people in shock. Say
37:50
Speaker 1: some things that'll knock your socks off, folks. I had
37:53
Speaker 1: a friend who got shot, and after he got shot,
37:56
Speaker 1: he was in such shock that he didn't even realize
37:58
Speaker 1: that he was shot. It was like we almost had
38:00
Speaker 1: to convince him that he had to go to the hospital.
38:02
Speaker 1: So when people go through something traumatic, when people are
38:04
Speaker 1: going through it, they'll say and do some crazy stuff.
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Speaker 1: So look, I'm not saying that we shouldn't put any
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Speaker 1: weight into what Karen Reid said. Of course we should.
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Speaker 1: But we have to look at the overall situation, right?
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Speaker 1: We have to look at all of the other evidence.
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Speaker 1: and for me, there's not enough evidence to prove what
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Speaker 1: she said. At least not enough proof to make it
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Speaker 1: more than reasonable doubt. Reed says she was set up.
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Speaker 1: Reed denied striking O'Keefe and her lawyers have said she
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Speaker 1: dropped him off and he went inside Albert's home. Reed
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Speaker 1: later realized that her boyfriend never came home, her defense
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Speaker 1: team has said. Hours after Reed said she dropped him off,
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Speaker 1: she went to look for him with two other women
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Speaker 1: and found him in Albert's front yard. Reed's defense lawyers
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Speaker 1: have challenged Key Pieces of prosecution's physical evidence, including the
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Speaker 1: broken taillight. Citing home security video that showed Reed backing
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Speaker 1: into O'Keefe's car as she left to search for him
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Speaker 1: on the morning of January 29th and discrepancies in Proctor's
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Speaker 1: police reports, they suggested the pieces of taillight found outside
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Speaker 1: the Alberts' home could have been planted. Proctor testified that
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Speaker 1: that discrepancy was a typo. Now look, does anyone believe
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Speaker 1: anything Mr. Proctor has to say? And it's really unfortunate
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Speaker 1: for John O'Keefe's family. Let's not forget, for me anyway,
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Speaker 1: that's the most important thing here, justice for Mr. O'Keefe.
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Speaker 1: And it's not looking like he's going to get any justice,
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Speaker 1: is it? Looking like this is going to end up
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Speaker 1: being one of those cases where we never know what
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Speaker 1: the hell happened. And I attribute that directly to the
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Speaker 1: investigators and their bullshit investigation. And the defense team has
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Speaker 1: said that Reid's comments from the morning of January 29th
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Speaker 1: were twisted from a panic question, could I have hit him,
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Speaker 1: into a statement. And look, that's definitely something that's possible.
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Speaker 1: Like I was just saying, when you're going through it,
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Speaker 1: and you're suffering through something, you'll say some shit sometimes
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Speaker 1: that you don't even realize you're saying. Medwed, the Northeastern professor,
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Speaker 1: said that how those comments were used may show confirmation
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Speaker 1: bias among authorities. She's upset. She's speculating, he said. She
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Speaker 1: can't remember what happened because she was so inebriated, and
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Speaker 1: maybe she's thinking she hit him. If you think Karen
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Speaker 1: Reid is guilty, then all of those factoids would support
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Speaker 1: that theory, he added. 1,000%. And again, I can see
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Speaker 1: it from that point of view, right? I can totally
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Speaker 1: see it. But I think a lot of people have
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Speaker 1: tunnel vision. And when you have tunnel vision and you're
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Speaker 1: massaging your own bias because you've already come to the
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Speaker 1: conclusion that Karen Reid's guilty, then you're going to miss things, right?
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Speaker 1: You're not going to be as open to evidence as
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Speaker 1: you might be if you weren't being guided down the
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Speaker 1: road by your bias. And that's exactly what's happened with
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Speaker 1: a lot of people. And it happens time and time
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Speaker 1: again with cases like these because people want justice, right?
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that people out here that want Karen
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Speaker 1: Reid to go to jail are bad people. I don't
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Speaker 1: think that at all. I think they see the case
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Speaker 1: from one perspective. And then you have the free Karen
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Speaker 1: Reid people. They see it from a different viewpoint. And
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Speaker 1: then there's the rest of us that aren't, you know,
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Speaker 1: on one side or the other. that are looking at
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Speaker 1: this clinically and saying, hey, look, there is not enough
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Speaker 1: evidence here, and if you want me to convict her
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Speaker 1: as a juror, you're going to need to provide more
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Speaker 1: evidence as far as the prosecution goes, and I just
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Speaker 1: don't think that that burden has been met. Reed's lawyers,
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Speaker 1: who were permitted to present an alternative theory of O'Keefe's
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Speaker 1: killing at trial, argued that O'Keefe may have gotten into
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Speaker 1: a fatal scuffle at the party... with another law enforcement officer,
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Speaker 1: an agent with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms,
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Speaker 1: and Explosives, whom Reed had traded flirtatious texts with, then ghosted.
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Speaker 1: The lawyers have alleged that those who attended the party
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Speaker 1: then dumped O'Keefe's body outside and framed Reed to cover
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Speaker 1: it up. She was a convenient outsider in law enforcement
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Speaker 1: officials' attempt to protect one of their own, her lawyers said.
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Speaker 1: Lally has dismissed that claim as rampant speculation. And look,
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Speaker 1: it's enough to muddy the waters, right? That's all he's
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Speaker 1: trying to do, meaning Mr. Jackson. He's trying to muddy
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Speaker 1: the waters, trying to make it look like anything but
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Speaker 1: his client's guilty. And breaking news, folks, I know a
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Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to hear it, but that's
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Speaker 1: his job. Language and relationships under scrutiny. Proctor admitted during
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Speaker 1: the trial that he used slurs and offensive language to
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Speaker 1: describe Reed in text messages to family, friends, and supervisors. Now,
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Speaker 1: if I'm your supervisor and you send me a text
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Speaker 1: message like that, we're going to have a big problem
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Speaker 1: because I know later on down the road, you could
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Speaker 1: have your phone records subpoenaed, the whole thing. And then
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Speaker 1: you're going to look like an asshole. You're making everybody
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Speaker 1: else look like an asshole. And if I'm your boss
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Speaker 1: and you're talking to me like this, I'm certainly an asshole.
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Speaker 1: During testimony, Proctor also acknowledged having undisclosed personal and professional
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Speaker 1: ties to Albert, the former Boston sergeant who owned the
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Speaker 1: home where O'Keefe was found. He testified that his comments
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Speaker 1: and relationships did not compromise the investigation. Proctor testified that
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Speaker 1: he had worked a cold case investigation with Albert's brother,
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Speaker 1: an officer with the Canton Police Department, and had gone
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Speaker 1: out drinking with him. And Proctor's sister was close friends
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Speaker 1: with Albert's sister-in-law. The investigator testified that he'd previously asked
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Speaker 1: his sister-in-law to babysit his children. I mean, come on.
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Speaker 1: You guys teed this ball right up for Alan Jackson
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Speaker 1: up there in Canton. Here's an idea. If anyone was
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Speaker 1: involved as far as knowing people, recuse yourself. But no,
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Speaker 1: they can't even do that basic thing, right? Everybody has
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Speaker 1: to be involved. I'm the only one who can solve
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Speaker 1: this case. Just like that moron down there in Georgia,
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Speaker 1: Fannie Willis, who thinks she's the only one who can
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Speaker 1: try the cases. Here's an idea, lady. If your case
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Speaker 1: is strong, take a step back and let the case
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Speaker 1: do what it's going to do. But all these people
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Speaker 1: that have to be involved, people like Proctor, they're the problem.
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Speaker 1: And if you think looking at Proctor's record is going
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Speaker 1: to stop with Karen Reid, you're sadly mistaken. Because in
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Speaker 1: my opinion, this dude's up to his eyeballs in bullshit.
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Speaker 1: During the investigation, Proctor testified he interviewed the sister-in-law, who
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Speaker 1: had been out drinking with O'Keefe and Reid before the party,
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Speaker 1: and admitted discussing that conversation with his sisters. The sister-in-law
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Speaker 1: later offered Proctor a thank-you gift via his sister when
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Speaker 1: this is all over, according to text messages between the
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Speaker 1: siblings that were presented as evidence in court. Yeah, that
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Speaker 1: looks good. Doesn't look like he's getting any kind of
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Speaker 1: gifts or anything like that. Even if he's not, the
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Speaker 1: optics are bad. And why in the hell, as an investigator,
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Speaker 1: would you give the defense that door to walk through?
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Speaker 1: In testimony, Proctor said he never asked for a gift
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Speaker 1: or received one. He denied sharing progress of the homicide
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Speaker 1: investigation with his sister and added that he'd only made
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Speaker 1: her aware of newsworthy stuff. Here's an idea, make her
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Speaker 1: aware of nothing. Pretty simple. Proctor shared details of the
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Speaker 1: investigation with several high school friends in a group chat
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Speaker 1: on the night of January 29th, hours after O'Keefe was
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Speaker 1: found dead. One of the friends wrote that the person
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Speaker 1: who owned the house where O'Keefe's body was discovered will
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Speaker 1: receive some shit. Nope, Proctor responded, referring to Albert. Homeowner
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Speaker 1: is a Boston cop too. Oh, well, that's nice. Basically
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Speaker 1: admitting that you're not going to investigate your buddy because
45:12
Speaker 1: he's a cop, huh? It's a good look. Rest of
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Speaker 1: us feel real comfortable about that. Can't wait to get
45:17
Speaker 1: pulled over by Trooper Proctor when I'm visiting Canton. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that'll be a pleasant experience. Proctor presents a serious
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Speaker 1: problem for the state's case, said Romer, the former prosecutor
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Speaker 1: turned defense attorney in Dallas. Everything about Trooper Proctor was
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Speaker 1: a problem, she said. He shouldn't have been involved in
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Speaker 1: this case. He should have taken himself out because he
45:37
Speaker 1: knew people that were witnesses in this case. I mean,
45:40
Speaker 1: it's not rocket science. As you all know, I'm not
45:43
Speaker 1: exactly what you would call fucking bright, okay? But I'm
45:46
Speaker 1: smart enough to know that if I'm investigating this kind
45:50
Speaker 1: of case and I know all of the people involved,
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Speaker 1: probably a good time to recuse myself. Meanwhile, Mr. Proctor
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Speaker 1: over here acting like the douchey is, decides to go
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Speaker 1: the other way, and now has really put everything in
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Speaker 1: jeopardy as far as the CW goes. It was bad
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Speaker 1: enough with their shitty investigation, then you add all this
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Speaker 1: other stuff to it, and even if she's convicted here,
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Speaker 1: this has appeal written all over it. Mark my words.
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Speaker 1: To avoid a potential conflict of interest, state police led
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Speaker 1: the investigation into O'Keefe's death, but Proctor damaged that effort
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Speaker 1: by sharing details about the case with others, Romer said.
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Speaker 1: When you have somebody like Trooper Proctor going around telling
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Speaker 1: everybody in town intimate details of the investigation, you're compromising it,
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Speaker 1: Romer said. Even if there's not a conspiracy, you're compromising it.
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Speaker 1: He does not know who these people are talking to,
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Speaker 1: but what he does know is that people that he's
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Speaker 1: talking to know the people that live inside of the
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Speaker 1: house where this happened. And that's really what it comes
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Speaker 1: down to for me as well. Even if there is
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Speaker 1: no conspiracy, Mr. Proctor has compromised this whole entire thing.
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Speaker 1: Two early morning phone calls. At trial, Proctor said he
47:01
Speaker 1: wasn't aware of two phone calls between Albert and the
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Speaker 1: ATF agent, Brian Higgins, that the defense described as curious
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Speaker 1: and potentially significant. The calls were made at 2.22 a.m.
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Speaker 1: on January 29th, roughly four hours before O'Keefe was found dead.
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Speaker 1: Higgins said he had no recollection of the calls. Albert
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Speaker 1: said a one-second call from his phone to Higgins was accidental.
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Speaker 1: He said he didn't answer a return call moments later
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Speaker 1: that lasted 22 seconds. Pryor said he wasn't aware of
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Speaker 1: the calls because investigators don't typically seize witnesses' phones. In
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Speaker 1: the chat with his friends, Proctor said that Reed, whom
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Speaker 1: he called a whack job and identified using a slur,
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Speaker 1: had waffled O'Keefe or hit him with the SUV. He
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Speaker 1: added that there would be serious charges brought against her.
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Speaker 1: And the word he called her was pretty disgusting, right?
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Speaker 1: No need for it. Even if you think she's guilty,
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Speaker 1: be a professional. Medwed said the revelations about Proctor's investigation
47:58
Speaker 1: showed that he's often seen in wrongful convictions, a tendency
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Speaker 1: among investigators to develop tunnel vision, or a resistance to
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Speaker 1: pursuing possible evidence or information that doesn't fit the theory
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Speaker 1: of what happened. Bingo, 1000% tunnel vision it is. This
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Speaker 1: happens more often than you know, and a lot of
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Speaker 1: people end up getting away with bullshit. Asked at trial
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Speaker 1: if he'd wrapped up the case before fully investigating it,
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Speaker 1: Proctor responded that in those early hours he'd already developed
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Speaker 1: compelling evidence showing Reed had struck O'Keefe with her vehicle. No,
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Speaker 1: he hadn't. That was all assumption and speculation based on
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Speaker 1: nothing but a preliminary, very short investigation. So how the
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Speaker 1: hell does he know what happened? Breaking news, he doesn't.
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Speaker 1: The way that we see the evidence is tinged by
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Speaker 1: our expectations and our theory of the case, he said.
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Speaker 1: It seems as if the police did develop a theory
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Speaker 1: pretty early on that Karen Reed committed the crime. As
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Speaker 1: the case evolves, there might have been other avenues of
48:56
Speaker 1: investigation that they didn't pursue. And I think that that
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Speaker 1: is all logical. I think that that's something that has
49:03
Speaker 1: to be looked at. And I think that when you're
49:05
Speaker 1: talking about Karen Reed especially and this trial... then I
49:09
Speaker 1: think that there is no doubt that the investigation was
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Speaker 1: shoddy from the jump. And considering how bad the investigation was,
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Speaker 1: how bad the investigators were, I really don't know how
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Speaker 1: anyone can come to the determination that beyond the reasonable doubt,
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Speaker 1: there's enough evidence here to convict Karen Reid. But obviously,
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Speaker 1: at least one of the jurors feels differently, and that's
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Speaker 1: why we have this situation where the deliberations have been ongoing. So,
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Speaker 1: we're going to continue to watch what's going on today.
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Speaker 1: And hopefully the jury decides and comes to a conclusion
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Speaker 1: and we have a verdict in the Karen Reid case.
49:46
Speaker 1: And once we get that verdict, obviously, we'll have another
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49:51
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