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Beach Love Songs with Jessenia · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. Just sinya, thanks for joining us today.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I was looking forward to this,
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Speaker 1: are you? I would imagine at this point you have
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Speaker 1: probably been bombarded with questions. You're probably doing the rounds
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Speaker 1: or has this been like at all fun for you
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Speaker 1: or you over it? Um? I think in the beginning
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Speaker 1: it was definitely fun. I think when you go through
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Speaker 1: a really unique experience, you kind of look forward to
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Speaker 1: everyone else experiencing that as well, you know, in terms
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Speaker 1: of the viewers, and of course when you're away filming
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Speaker 1: for so long, you are ready to kind of see
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Speaker 1: the final package, you know. But I think obviously after
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Speaker 1: the last episode, um, there was a lot going on,
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Speaker 1: and I think it was really difficult to kind of
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Speaker 1: relive it and to now have to talk about it again,
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Speaker 1: um and do a little recap. I think that's definitely
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Speaker 1: the most bookle part was this. I mean, we're going
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Speaker 1: to dive into the details a little bit. Um. I
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Speaker 1: know you've been asked a plethora of questions. I really
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Speaker 1: just want to know more of how you wake, where
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Speaker 1: you were at and all this this all after watching
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Speaker 1: it back, Has it all gone how you hoped it would? Um?
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Speaker 1: Was this at all what you're expecting at a paradise? Um?
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Speaker 1: And in some ways yes, but in most ways now
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Speaker 1: I knew going into Paradise I would have fun, you know.
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Speaker 1: I knew that I would probably see friends there. I
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Speaker 1: would obviously have the opportunity to find love that kind
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Speaker 1: of thing. Those are all things that I was definitely
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Speaker 1: looking forward to, and I think that in a lot
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Speaker 1: of ways I got to experience. Um. But then, of course,
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Speaker 1: like how it all pans out, it's not something that
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Speaker 1: you expect, like you do have high hopes for this experience. UM,
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Speaker 1: So for it to not work out the way I
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Speaker 1: would have hoped it would, um, at least up to
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Speaker 1: where we're at right now, obviously it's disappointing. Yeah. I
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Speaker 1: bet well, if I'm if I have read up right
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Speaker 1: with you? You were a Bachelor fan, um going into
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Speaker 1: your time on the show, you know, is that true? No?
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Speaker 1: So I had only watched Peter season. UM as soon
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Speaker 1: as we like Pandemic started and it's kind of what
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Speaker 1: a show was, what show was on, And I remember
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Speaker 1: just like, Okay, my friends for years have been obsessed
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Speaker 1: with this show. We're on lockdown. I need something to watch.
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Speaker 1: So I watched Peter season and that was my first introduction,
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Speaker 1: um into the Bachelor. Okay, well then did your friends
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Speaker 1: sign you up then for this or did you know? Okay,
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Speaker 1: it's funny because I remember it was like I got
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Speaker 1: lucky during the pandemic. I did lose my job, which
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Speaker 1: obviously was a huge hit too. Just who I am
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Speaker 1: as a person, I put a place a lot of
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Speaker 1: value into what I'm doing with my life, especially with work.
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Speaker 1: So I was having a hard time, but I got
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Speaker 1: lucky and got a job like two weeks later. And
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Speaker 1: I remember leading up to my start date, I was
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Speaker 1: just like so in my head about what I've got
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Speaker 1: going on in my life, and I figured, you know what,
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Speaker 1: why do I just sign up for The Bachelor. Let's
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Speaker 1: see if it goes anywhere. So I personally wasn't expecting
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Speaker 1: it to go anywhere because I knew they choose from
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Speaker 1: literally hundreds of thousands of women, so I wasn't expecting much, um,
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Speaker 1: but that was really kind of what what started it.
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Speaker 1: Or I can speak for all of us to say,
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Speaker 1: we're glad that you got chosen, We're happy that you're there.
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Speaker 1: So so you ended up on the show. I think
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Speaker 1: that's a great reason to go on, just to shake
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Speaker 1: life up a bit, you know. That's why I did it,
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Speaker 1: just to see if if it can add a cool
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Speaker 1: new story, if it can happen to work. If it
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Speaker 1: doesn't work, maybe it just gets you the little push
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Speaker 1: forward that you need. And So then after your time
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Speaker 1: on on The Bachelor, were you expecting to get the
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Speaker 1: call from Paradise or was that surprising? Um? I want
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Speaker 1: to say it was a little surprising, only because they
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Speaker 1: had a year off from Paradise. That meant that they
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Speaker 1: had quite a lot of people to choose from from
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Speaker 1: not only Peter season, but also Matt's and of course
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Speaker 1: Katie's was just coming up. Um, so there was a
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Speaker 1: lot going on, and then of course Teacher and Claire
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Speaker 1: of it all. Like, there was a lot. So I
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Speaker 1: was like, well, if it's going to happen, it'll happen.
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Speaker 1: If it doesn't, it's fine. Like I still had this
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Speaker 1: unique experience with the Bachelor, like you know, so I wasn't.
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Speaker 1: I didn't have my heart quite set on it, but
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Speaker 1: I knew that if I were to go, it would
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Speaker 1: have been a fun experience, and regardless of it, I
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Speaker 1: was looking forward to it, or I would have been
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Speaker 1: excited for my friends. I always had this with me personally.
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Speaker 1: I was that this weird like desire to be in Paradise.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know if I would do it well, but
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Speaker 1: I just I when I watched it, I'm like, this
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Speaker 1: looks like a ton of fun, especially if my buddies
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Speaker 1: are there. Oh definitely. I would have to say. That's
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Speaker 1: kind of what was my thought process leading up to it,
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Speaker 1: because once the phone calls started happening, that's when I
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Speaker 1: really had to get into this mindset of Okay, hypothetically,
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Speaker 1: if I go, you know, what could happen? What would
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Speaker 1: be the experience be like? And I was always told
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Speaker 1: it's far more relaxed than the Bachelor of the Bachelorette,
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Speaker 1: not as uptight. I guess I always consider like backed
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Speaker 1: Bachelor and La is a little more black tie versus
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Speaker 1: you know, paradise through out on vacation with your brands,
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Speaker 1: you know. So I liked that angle to it, and
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Speaker 1: I did want to be in a more relaxed setting
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Speaker 1: because the Bachelor was just nerves on high at all times.
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Speaker 1: So I was looking forward to that potentially. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: you end up getting the call for Paradise, You show
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Speaker 1: up to Paradise. Is there anybody? I'm assuming then you
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Speaker 1: don't really know who is going to be coming down
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Speaker 1: the series. You have ideas maybe, but you don't know
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Speaker 1: exactly who's gonna be coming down, right right, So we
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Speaker 1: have ideas. I think the thing with this industry is
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Speaker 1: that a lot of things happened last minute, Like nothing's
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Speaker 1: locked in until you have literally a flight, for example,
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Speaker 1: to go. So, um, we could have our ideas if
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Speaker 1: you could be going that kind of thing, even theories
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Speaker 1: were floating around and who could be going that kind
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Speaker 1: of situation, But you really never know who's there until
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Speaker 1: their feet hit the beach. And I think we all
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Speaker 1: know we go through a quarantine process that kind of thing,
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Speaker 1: and some people didn't even show up to the beach
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Speaker 1: because things just didn't pay out that way. So you
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Speaker 1: really never know who's actually showing out. So then how
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Speaker 1: do you, uh, I'm so far removed now, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: People don't add the engaged dude onto these text threads
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Speaker 1: much anymore, but like, how are these informations? Like how
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Speaker 1: is this information being passed? Along. Are you guys texting like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: I think they're coming. Oh I've kind of got called because,
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Speaker 1: like you said, I even knew when I was a
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Speaker 1: bachelor that some like women are going to be there
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Speaker 1: that never showed up because they were like reserves. They
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Speaker 1: showed up to the like to the hotel, but they
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Speaker 1: never came to the mansion. So even if somebody's like
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Speaker 1: I got my flight to Mexico, they could go to
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Speaker 1: Mexico quarantine and then never show up to the beach.
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Speaker 1: So how is this information being passed along? Well, I
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Speaker 1: mean you also know that when we're when we arrived,
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Speaker 1: our phones are taken, so there's no form of communication
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Speaker 1: for any of us as soon as we arrived there.
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Speaker 1: So whether some of us said yeah, we're going or not,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean we're going to see them, you know. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's just interesting because I mean I think that brings
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Speaker 1: like a perspective when you watch the show back and
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Speaker 1: people are you know, mean, this season has been full
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Speaker 1: of the oh, they were waiting for this person or
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Speaker 1: they were waiting for this person. The truth is you
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Speaker 1: don't fully know they're going to be there, Like you
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Speaker 1: just can't guarantee it, so you can wait, you can
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Speaker 1: play along, but you don't know, So okay, who were
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Speaker 1: you hoping though to see walk down those stairs? Um?
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Speaker 1: At the beach. I had an idea of some people
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Speaker 1: that I wanted to meet based off of impressions, whether
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Speaker 1: it was from what I had seen on the show
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Speaker 1: or some for example Chris, who had seen in person
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Speaker 1: at one point during like a group setting. So I
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Speaker 1: remember thinking, okay, well, hypothetically, if some of these people
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Speaker 1: were to go, of course I would be open to
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Speaker 1: getting to know them. Now, the way a Plant panned
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Speaker 1: out for me was Ivan being someone who was interested
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Speaker 1: interested in seeing was there from day one along as
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Speaker 1: as as I was. So it's very easy for us
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Speaker 1: to kind of like link together and get to know
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Speaker 1: each other and spend time together and kind of be
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Speaker 1: um I guess, like a couple um at the beginning
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Speaker 1: of Paradise. But as we know, every week more people join.
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Speaker 1: Every other week it's women, every other week it's men.
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Speaker 1: So it's really at that point that's when it's wild
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Speaker 1: cards essentially, so you don't know who's really showing up
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Speaker 1: or who would even be open to meeting. For me personally,
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Speaker 1: I always say this whether it was Chris or not.
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Speaker 1: If someone expressed interest in me, and based off the
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Speaker 1: conversation I had with them, I would be interested in
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Speaker 1: getting to know them more. If they asked me on
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Speaker 1: the day, I would have gone on the date, you know.
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Speaker 1: So I don't think I think a lot of people
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Speaker 1: had this misconception that that, oh, like she was waiting
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Speaker 1: for Ivan, and it's like, well, I, first of all,
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Speaker 1: I don't wait for anybody. Second of all, it's like,
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Speaker 1: how was I ever going to know who was going
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Speaker 1: to show up on the beach if I didn't know
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Speaker 1: if they were there a hundred percent or not, or
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Speaker 1: if they were even going to show up even if
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Speaker 1: they were there. So the way I approached it was
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Speaker 1: any guy who's open to getting to know me and
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Speaker 1: their first impression was a good one for me, then
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Speaker 1: of course I'd be open to getting to know them.
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Speaker 1: And I was just an open book about that the
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Speaker 1: whole time. Who It didn't really matter who it was.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, so you're just excited to meet anybody,
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Speaker 1: Like it was like, Hey, I'm just if somebody walks
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Speaker 1: down the stairs and they're into it, like I'm at
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Speaker 1: least gonna explore it. Does that get awkward? Um to
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Speaker 1: Like okay, you know for your situation, like you're talking
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Speaker 1: to Ivan and like it's very very casual. You're just
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Speaker 1: gonna know, right, you guys are just hanging out and
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Speaker 1: but like there's interest, like you're you're flirting, and then
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Speaker 1: somebody comes down they're like, hey, I want to take
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Speaker 1: it on a date. And Ivan's like probably sitting beside
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Speaker 1: you at this point, like is it get weird? Like
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Speaker 1: how do you in your mind? What do you like,
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Speaker 1: how do you even get like in your mind? What's
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Speaker 1: going Like what's going through your head as that happens? Um?
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Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that goes through my head
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Speaker 1: is not wanting to hurt the other person's feelings because
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Speaker 1: I think if there's one thing that's so important about
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Speaker 1: Paradise or just in life in general, let's be real,
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Speaker 1: is to have open communication with those that you're closest to. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean I had already talked about the possibility of
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Speaker 1: me or him being asked out on a date while
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Speaker 1: we were in Paradise, and we had already kind of
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Speaker 1: like established a what if situation, So of like me
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Speaker 1: being asked on a date by Chris like he kind
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Speaker 1: of already knew that, yeah, she's going to go on
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Speaker 1: that date. But so there wasn't really like any type
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Speaker 1: of hard feelings. There was always a clear line that
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Speaker 1: we had between us, um, and so. But that doesn't
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Speaker 1: take away that I felt bad about it. You know,
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Speaker 1: I really liked Ivan, and it is hurt bole when
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Speaker 1: there's people who are like, oh, well, you know, you
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Speaker 1: dumped him so quickly and this and that, And it's
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Speaker 1: like I had to sit down heart to heart with
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Speaker 1: him prior to going on a date as well as after,
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Speaker 1: because obviously the point of going on these dates it's
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Speaker 1: figuring out, you know, where the connections might be stronger.
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Speaker 1: And when I arrived, I sat down with Ivan and
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Speaker 1: I had that conversation with him. Um. So yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: a it's a very difficult thing to navigate, and I
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Speaker 1: think even if you tread as lightly as possible, someone's
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Speaker 1: Let's get lucky. You know you're out of the I'm
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Speaker 1: just interested. You're out of the franchise for a bit,
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Speaker 1: and now you're back in it, and no matter what,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get your people who have very strong opinions
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Speaker 1: about things that you've done. How is how is that
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Speaker 1: affecting you? Now that you've kind of been seasoned, You've
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Speaker 1: had it, you've gone on the show, You've had like
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Speaker 1: a year to kind of like mentally rebuild and kind
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Speaker 1: of get some like grit and some calouses to some
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Speaker 1: of the things people say. Now you're back on Paradise,
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Speaker 1: people have opinions about you. How are you doing with that?
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Speaker 1: I think the first round, I will say I definitely
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Speaker 1: struggled with it because obviously who I am as a
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Speaker 1: person is very private, So this was totally out of
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Speaker 1: my comfort zone. But it was something that I was
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Speaker 1: willing to explore. Just to one Fine Love and two
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Speaker 1: to put myself out there kind of like get myself
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Speaker 1: out outside of my comfort zone as many of us have,
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Speaker 1: you know, the same goal for ourselves. Um, And I
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Speaker 1: knew going into Paradise it would be the same scenario
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Speaker 1: all over again. Uh So it did take me a
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Speaker 1: while to decide for sure if I was going. I
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Speaker 1: had gotten the phone call, but it was still something
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Speaker 1: that I felt that, you know, I need a few
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Speaker 1: more days to let it marinate before I decide. Um,
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Speaker 1: because I you know, on TV, your feelings, your emotions
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Speaker 1: are like on full display, and that's what's so difficult
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Speaker 1: about navigating this franchise or just TV in general. I
12:52
Speaker 1: guess when there's an audience, their opinions are always going
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Speaker 1: to trump whatever actually happened. I feel people are going
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Speaker 1: to proceed things differently, things are going to be misconstrued,
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Speaker 1: or that there's gonna be miscommunication, that kind of thing.
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Speaker 1: So that was something that I was the most concerned about.
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Speaker 1: Because you only get to see very small fractions of
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Speaker 1: what's going on, and it's all pieced together. There are
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Speaker 1: a lot of other things that people don't get to see.
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Speaker 1: So for example, in my case, people swore up and
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Speaker 1: down that I didn't talk to Ivan before I wanted
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Speaker 1: the date. We did talk um. And then obviously, when
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Speaker 1: things are pieced together to push a story forward, people
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Speaker 1: are are only gonna make up little theories to fill
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Speaker 1: in those empty spots. And I think that's essentially what's
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Speaker 1: plugged to me the most now is people's theories that
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Speaker 1: are just so far off base. Yeah, it's interesting over
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Speaker 1: the years, you know, it's been five years from me,
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Speaker 1: but over the years, I've Yeah, those things affect you though,
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Speaker 1: because you feel like people are creating a narrative that's
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Speaker 1: that's not true. Um, well, obviously I want to ask
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Speaker 1: one more question about your experience, and then you're off
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Speaker 1: the hot seat and I want to ask you some
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Speaker 1: things going on in Parodi said you can help break
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Speaker 1: down with me. But we had a Connor beyond Um
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Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago, and he mentioned that he
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Speaker 1: wrote a song for you. Um, yeah, that's true. Then
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Speaker 1: you've heard, Um what was this song about? Like, can
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Speaker 1: you explain it to me? And then I also like,
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Speaker 1: how did that make you feel? So he and I
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Speaker 1: bonded over murder podcasts. That's why this song is called
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Speaker 1: like perfect murder Um. And honestly, I have to just
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Speaker 1: commend him just as who he is as a person
14:34
Speaker 1: is someone who's very creative. He expresses himself in a
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Speaker 1: really unique way. Um, and he's incredibly talented, and it
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Speaker 1: showed through his various songs. But that one, in particular,
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Speaker 1: one I've never had someone write me a song before
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Speaker 1: and too for it to hit so so beautifully. I
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Speaker 1: mean I really I peered up even when he sang
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Speaker 1: it to me, So it's like, okay, wow, this guy
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Speaker 1: is is something special. Um. But that in itself was
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Speaker 1: like sut a unique experience because I never anticipated that
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Speaker 1: happening obviously going into Paradise, but I very much appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Was it romantic at all? Like, was there any romantic
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Speaker 1: connection there? There was, um, some romantic connection there. Um.
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Speaker 1: He had expressed a few times, you know, that he
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Speaker 1: felt some type of way about me, And I mean
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Speaker 1: I liked him too. I thought he was great as well.
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Speaker 1: But I had obviously so much going on, like with
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Speaker 1: Ivan and even you know, if anything, I was actually
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Speaker 1: trying so hard to avoid love trying. I mean that's true,
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Speaker 1: But okay, I did I lied to you. I said,
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Speaker 1: you're off the hot seat. I'm gonna ask you one
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Speaker 1: more question, if you could without the whole like I
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Speaker 1: don't have regrets in life thing because I think that's fine,
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Speaker 1: that's great. But if you could like redo paradise and
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Speaker 1: like re go about this thing, would there be any
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Speaker 1: news like would you have said yes any dates or
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Speaker 1: no to any dates? Like if it would condor have
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Speaker 1: been more than like your consideration, Like what would you
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Speaker 1: have done different to make this work so that you
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Speaker 1: could have avoided that love triangle that you couldn't have avoided.
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Speaker 1: It just seems to happen without you do anything about it,
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Speaker 1: right right? So, um, I think there are two things
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Speaker 1: I probably would have done differently. I think that I
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Speaker 1: probably would have with Ivan, and I I think it
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Speaker 1: was still early on for me to feel like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm totally locked in, you know, but I sometimes do
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Speaker 1: wonder what if I gave us like another week, What
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Speaker 1: if I gave it a few more days for us
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Speaker 1: to really figure it out, spend more time with him,
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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So that's one scenario. Second scenario
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Speaker 1: would be Connor is the kind of person, is the
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Speaker 1: kind of guy that I've never dated before. So I
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Speaker 1: feel like if I had given him more of an opportunity,
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Speaker 1: then perhaps I would have seen other sides to him
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Speaker 1: kind of unfold. That's kind of that kind of thing.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't think there was
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Speaker 1: that much time for us to figure it out because
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Speaker 1: he sang the song to me at the night of
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Speaker 1: a Rose ceremony, so it was hard to navigate that
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Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, that's interesting. Well, I really appreciate your
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Speaker 1: your honesty here, and it's it has been uh enjoyable
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Speaker 1: watching your journey and watching Paradise Um this season, we'ven
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Speaker 1: we've really liked it. And as I'm laid up here
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Speaker 1: in the chair, it's about all I have to look
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Speaker 1: forward to these days. Um. But all right, So a
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Speaker 1: couple of questions, not about you as much, but you
17:22
Speaker 1: were there, so we want your expert opinion. Uh, you
17:25
Speaker 1: and Natasha, as you just mentioned, we're both in like
17:27
Speaker 1: love triangles. I don't think either of you don't necessarily
17:31
Speaker 1: wanted to be in a love triangle. It wasn't something
17:33
Speaker 1: that you found enjoyable, but you both found yourself there. Um.
17:37
Speaker 1: The Brendan and Piper one is all the talk right now.
17:40
Speaker 1: Everybody has really strong opinions about it. Um, how did
17:44
Speaker 1: you as your Imparadise, How do you think they handled
17:46
Speaker 1: that situation, how Brennan and Piper handles it or just yeah,
17:51
Speaker 1: Brendan Piper. So here's the thing is, we are obviously
17:57
Speaker 1: there was talks of them even prior to Paradise, and
18:00
Speaker 1: I always knew this is going to definitely play out
18:05
Speaker 1: in Paradise, like there's just no avoiding it, you know.
18:08
Speaker 1: And I remember at that time there was talks that
18:10
Speaker 1: Piper said she was Like Natasha mentioned recently that Piper
18:13
Speaker 1: said she wasn't going because she apparently couldn't get off work.
18:18
Speaker 1: Yet she's walking down the steps to the beach. So
18:20
Speaker 1: it's interesting. But I think that you know, if obviously,
18:25
Speaker 1: based off of what we've seen played out, those intimate
18:28
Speaker 1: conversations that Brendan and Piper had were not conversations that
18:31
Speaker 1: anyone on that beach was aware of. Brendan was telling
18:34
Speaker 1: Natasha one thing, we were observing another thing, like we
18:38
Speaker 1: kind of could see okay, like oh wow, like they
18:40
Speaker 1: finally had their first kiss after being there for as
18:43
Speaker 1: long as they were, So we're thinking, oh, maybe they
18:46
Speaker 1: are progressing just a lot slower than others, and that's okay,
18:49
Speaker 1: people go at their own pace, But then to see
18:52
Speaker 1: the conversations that Brendan and Piper were having, it's like
18:56
Speaker 1: I was so taken aback by the things that they
18:59
Speaker 1: were saying. It's almost like, you know, it's taboo to
19:04
Speaker 1: talk about followers. Why do you think it makes sense
19:07
Speaker 1: to have that conversation on Mike And you know that
19:11
Speaker 1: even if cameras aren't pointed at you, there are cameras installed.
19:15
Speaker 1: So I was very surprised that that wasn't even a
19:18
Speaker 1: thought going across their minds in that moment, which is
19:21
Speaker 1: why to me it appears as if those they are
19:24
Speaker 1: so and I don't want to say this in a
19:27
Speaker 1: way to shade them in any way, but it's like
19:29
Speaker 1: that lack of self awareness in that moment was very apparent.
19:34
Speaker 1: But what I did not particularly like was that it
19:37
Speaker 1: was at Natasha's expense, who as I got to know,
19:39
Speaker 1: I had met her for the first time in Paradise.
19:41
Speaker 1: I really was liking her. I liked having conversations with her.
19:45
Speaker 1: I loved how she was in a group setting. She's
19:47
Speaker 1: really funny, great energy. I didn't appreciate that because they
19:51
Speaker 1: were talking down about someone who I personally, you know,
19:55
Speaker 1: would speak highly of is as I am now. So
19:58
Speaker 1: it wasn't fun to see that play out, and it
20:00
Speaker 1: definitely made it very clear that they were playing with
20:03
Speaker 1: her feelings and that's obviously something that should never be
20:06
Speaker 1: okay in any situation, And which is why I think
20:08
Speaker 1: the separation between what happened with me Chris and Atlanta
20:12
Speaker 1: and her Brendan and Piper is at least Chris and
20:14
Speaker 1: Atlanta weren't talking crap about me behind my back, you
20:17
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that's the biggest difference is
20:20
Speaker 1: at least they didn't They at least held me up
20:23
Speaker 1: to that much of amount of respect where they didn't
20:26
Speaker 1: have anything bad to say about me, versus Brendan and
20:28
Speaker 1: Piper shouldn't have had anything bad to say about Natasha.
20:31
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20:34
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20:36
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Speaker 1: com for tickets. I mean, I'm assuming a lot of
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21:32
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21:33
Speaker 1: private conversations, like you didn't know all this was happening.
21:36
Speaker 1: So as you watch this back, you are I mean,
21:38
Speaker 1: everybody already had very strong opinions probably at the beach
21:41
Speaker 1: about Brendan and Piper. We saw the confrontation and we
21:45
Speaker 1: kind of saw those things happening. But now that you
21:47
Speaker 1: watch it back, do you feel like even more validating
21:51
Speaker 1: those Is it shocking to you? Is it like, like
21:54
Speaker 1: does it make you angry? How do you feel about it.
21:56
Speaker 1: I mean, it's shocking because I don't think anything like
22:00
Speaker 1: this has happened before, and not not that I can
22:02
Speaker 1: recall anyway. Um, but it's also shocking because you would
22:07
Speaker 1: think that in the situation, an environment where people are emotional,
22:13
Speaker 1: people are supposed to be, you know, wearing their hearts
22:15
Speaker 1: on their sleeves, you would think that people would be
22:17
Speaker 1: more sensitive to that, that people would be gracious towards
22:22
Speaker 1: those who they are directly affecting. And I don't believe
22:25
Speaker 1: that Brendan R. Piper were that way towards Natasha. Yeah,
22:28
Speaker 1: fires you up. Makes my just there's so much about
22:31
Speaker 1: this show that just brings out aside of me. I
22:33
Speaker 1: don't like um, but we did see you know. Yeah,
22:37
Speaker 1: it's so wild. I watched him just like you can't
22:39
Speaker 1: be doing this well, uh. Just in your final question
22:42
Speaker 1: for you is so as you both like you and
22:45
Speaker 1: Natasha both uh had a similar like thing happening in Paradise,
22:50
Speaker 1: did you lean on each other for support at all
22:52
Speaker 1: or did you have support from people around you? Did
22:54
Speaker 1: did you feel like on the beach? I think obviously
22:58
Speaker 1: what we saw is essentially the whole beach kind of
23:02
Speaker 1: like rallying behind me, which if I'm honest, I I
23:05
Speaker 1: don't know if I anticipated that I knew that I
23:08
Speaker 1: could rely on them if I wanted to sit and chat,
23:10
Speaker 1: or if I wanted to just like vent that kind
23:12
Speaker 1: of thing. Um. But to be quite frank, I think
23:15
Speaker 1: that the whole situation, especially the one with Chris for example, Um,
23:21
Speaker 1: everyone kind of thinks that, oh, the only reason why
23:23
Speaker 1: they went after Chris or whatever is because of this
23:27
Speaker 1: one thing that happened at the party, which yes, even
23:29
Speaker 1: Chris has apologized to me, and he admits that it
23:31
Speaker 1: was messed up, but he could have handled it better. Um,
23:35
Speaker 1: that wasn't the only reason. I think, I would say
23:38
Speaker 1: there was a bit of a laundry list of other
23:40
Speaker 1: reasons why the guys felt some type of way about Chris.
23:43
Speaker 1: It wasn't something directly affecting directly to do with me.
23:47
Speaker 1: It was just kind of like a culmination of random
23:49
Speaker 1: instances that they felt a little put off by. Um,
23:54
Speaker 1: so that that altercation was honestly was supposed to be
23:57
Speaker 1: a conversation turned a little bit into something else. But um,
24:01
Speaker 1: that was something that we had discussed there as well,
24:03
Speaker 1: but that you know, wasn't aired. But I think that
24:08
Speaker 1: for me, the way I see it is the whole
24:13
Speaker 1: Chris and Atlanta's situation didn't have to go as far
24:16
Speaker 1: as it did I feel. I think that there was
24:18
Speaker 1: a lot of miscommunication, but most importantly, there was just
24:23
Speaker 1: a lack of awareness in the sense that had Chris
24:26
Speaker 1: approached me at the party rather than avoided me the
24:29
Speaker 1: whole night, had he said listen, because I remember in
24:33
Speaker 1: the episode he literally says the moment he saw Alanna,
24:36
Speaker 1: he felt some type of way. If that's the case,
24:38
Speaker 1: that's the moment where you pull me aside and you say, hey,
24:41
Speaker 1: I feel like this, this is what I'm thinking. I'm
24:44
Speaker 1: going to talk to her and I'm going to see
24:45
Speaker 1: if that's anything. Fine, That's okay, because at least I
24:49
Speaker 1: knew that he was holding my feelings in high regard
24:53
Speaker 1: and felt that he needed to handle things a certain
24:55
Speaker 1: way to make sure that I at least was aware
24:57
Speaker 1: of it, versus of avoiding me the entire night. After
25:01
Speaker 1: we talked to Atlanta, and I was the one who
25:03
Speaker 1: had to go towards him and talk to him. But
25:06
Speaker 1: it was frustrating because it's not like we could be
25:08
Speaker 1: anywhere quiet and private. We could have that intimate conversation
25:12
Speaker 1: and close that chapter. Instead, it was around other people.
25:15
Speaker 1: It was a lot of music playing. It was hard
25:17
Speaker 1: to navigate that, and I think that's ultimately what kind
25:20
Speaker 1: of hurt me the most. Yeah, I could imagine that
25:24
Speaker 1: was a tough thing to watch. Now I get an idea.
25:28
Speaker 1: But what was it like? So you said there's a
25:30
Speaker 1: few things like a laundry list of things that the
25:31
Speaker 1: guys were upset about. Do you mind sharing any of those,
25:33
Speaker 1: Like what kind of behaviors were they? Were they like
25:37
Speaker 1: frustrated with um? I think there was there was a
25:41
Speaker 1: point where um Ivan had mentioned how he, you know,
25:44
Speaker 1: Christma discussed a lot about social media and such and listen,
25:47
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be completely honest with you. I think that
25:50
Speaker 1: social media is a given. Um we're on a public
25:54
Speaker 1: platform at this point. Followers is something that's found to happen,
25:58
Speaker 1: but it's kind of like a you know, that's not
26:01
Speaker 1: something you talk about much less on camera when you're miked. UM.
26:06
Speaker 1: So obviously those are things the conversations that the guys
26:09
Speaker 1: were having with with Chris. I wouldn't know all of
26:12
Speaker 1: the details for that, so I can't speak on it
26:14
Speaker 1: too much. Um, but I think it's just like that
26:17
Speaker 1: and a few other things that I think because it
26:21
Speaker 1: was an air, it's not something that I can really
26:23
Speaker 1: dive into fair enough, fair enough, It's always worth asking,
26:26
Speaker 1: It's always interesting, There's always stuff happening behind the scenes. Uh.
26:30
Speaker 1: Social media seems to be a common topic these days
26:34
Speaker 1: when it comes to Paradise UM. Are you and Chris uh? Like,
26:39
Speaker 1: have you spoken? Are you guys good? I haven't spoken
26:43
Speaker 1: to Chris. Um. He did reach out to me a
26:46
Speaker 1: little after Paradise Um, once we're all home and needed
26:49
Speaker 1: to apologize. He did admit that he, you know, could
26:51
Speaker 1: have handled it better, which I appreciated, and you know,
26:54
Speaker 1: I let him know, like I honestly, I don't want
26:56
Speaker 1: to hold any resentment towards you. Like it's fine. I
26:58
Speaker 1: appreciate you reaching out that kind of things. Um and
27:02
Speaker 1: Atlanta even had reached out to me, although I personally,
27:06
Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciated her apologizing to me, but I
27:09
Speaker 1: remember after the fact feeling like I didn't think she
27:12
Speaker 1: actually owed me one only because towards the end of it,
27:17
Speaker 1: I was starting to question if she really had any
27:20
Speaker 1: idea of what was going on. You know, it felt
27:23
Speaker 1: so like she had literally just arrived and left, Like
27:27
Speaker 1: it wasn't like she was there long enough to really
27:29
Speaker 1: know what was happening. Um, So part of me just
27:32
Speaker 1: feel like perhaps she didn't have much to do with anything.
27:35
Speaker 1: But obviously, I mean, I I don't know what their
27:37
Speaker 1: conversations are, like, I can't just like assume. But I
27:41
Speaker 1: actually did reach out to her recently just to say,
27:44
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, when you play, when you watch something
27:46
Speaker 1: play out, when conversations are emotionally charged, things are bound
27:52
Speaker 1: to go a little off the walls. And so I
27:55
Speaker 1: remember watching back and seeing how I had complete he
28:00
Speaker 1: cut her off and disregarded her. And I was honestly
28:02
Speaker 1: very embarrassed by that because I was so focused on
28:05
Speaker 1: how I was feeling that in that moment, I just
28:08
Speaker 1: disregarded what she had to say, and it didn't feel
28:11
Speaker 1: like she had anything else to add because what was
28:13
Speaker 1: done was done, you know. But I do feel I
28:15
Speaker 1: did feel like I think a lot of things could
28:18
Speaker 1: have been avoided had I let her speak to perhaps
28:21
Speaker 1: hear her side and see if maybe there was some
28:23
Speaker 1: kind of missing piece that none of us, you know,
28:25
Speaker 1: could find. Um. So I did reach out to her
28:27
Speaker 1: and apologize to her for that and so, but yeah,
28:31
Speaker 1: I think, all in all, like I, it was a
28:33
Speaker 1: sticky situation and I think certain things could have played
28:38
Speaker 1: out differently. I also I am aware of certain people,
28:43
Speaker 1: not anything to do with Chris, myself or Atlanta, are
28:47
Speaker 1: people that I personally don't think that I really want
28:50
Speaker 1: to be associated with anymore because I think they were
28:53
Speaker 1: part of what kind of fueled the fire a bit. Yeah. Well,
28:57
Speaker 1: I hope personally, UM, that you can find a way
29:02
Speaker 1: to enjoy the last, you know, a few moments of
29:06
Speaker 1: of having these conversations. It was a pleasure to watch
29:09
Speaker 1: you on television. It's a pleasure to have you here
29:11
Speaker 1: with us. Thanks for for chatting for a bit, for
29:14
Speaker 1: hanging out um and uh and I'm gonna speak for
29:18
Speaker 1: Ashley here, who is on a flight right now, so
29:21
Speaker 1: not but yeah, big big fans of you, uh and
29:24
Speaker 1: watching your experience. So thanks for coming to Almost Famous podcast.
29:27
Speaker 1: We all appreciate it. Awesome. Thank you for having me.
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