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Ep. 10: Social Media, Algorithms & The Connection We're Losing · age

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Reggie, what was your favorite thing from the episode?
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My favorite thing was that we pulled the topic that was perfect for our guest.
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Ooh, okay, okay.
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My favorite thing was what our guests said in the very end of the episode.
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It was powerful.
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Lauren, you're getting some love.
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I'm also going to send Lauren some love, early life, her perspective this week.
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Ooh, my favorite thing was when Tim was cynical the whole episode,
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then brought it back to hope again.
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That's just how it goes.
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I liked our Black Mirror references and how they're correlating with real life right now.
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Mmm, cool.
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Ooh, it's a vigorous plaque, a love plaque like that.
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Will is the best clacker, he really is.
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Do you all take turns clacking?
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No, Will is the master clacker.
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He's the master clacker.
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He's the master clacker.
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No one's got to do it.
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Well, hey guys, welcome to age.
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I am your host today and we have a wonderful guest, Ms. Lauren Moody, who's sitting for our
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beloved Mary Green, who is on her way to Japan.
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Is she Mary?
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Yeah.
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MBS.
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Yeah.
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We should all be in Japan with her recording from there.
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Why didn't we think of that?
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I know, right?
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You guys, you've got a couple of weeks to make it happen.
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I have a right, we do.
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Just surprise Mary on her time off.
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Right?
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For you.
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Or that'd be the best surprise.
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You're like, you thought you were off to hook for recording this episode, but they're on.
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I think she kind of loved it.
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She liked it.
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I'm ready to dwell, Dylan Garcia, Tim Scroggs and of course, Lauren Moody.
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As you know, we pull a topic from this really, it's just regal trash can and I'm going to
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go ahead and get started and kick us off.
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Boom.
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Here it goes.
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I'm hoping for a good one.
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Hoping for a good one.
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Oh, what?
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This is a perfect one, especially given the host that we had.
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Oh, God.
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You're going to be on this spot.
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It's social media.
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Was I right or was I right?
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And now wasn't staged at all.
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Not even a little bit.
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Every single one in there never says social media.
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A little proves that Polina the trash can is like a destiny move.
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It is.
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You pull it out.
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You don't know who and why, but it's going to be right.
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That is so perfect.
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Okay.
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And we had another guest and the host pulled remote that day and I thought it really played
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well into the conversation.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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There's something going on here.
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Yeah.
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I told you.
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A magic goal.
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A magic goal.
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This is magic.
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Trashcan.
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Yeah.
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And it's perfect because Lauren does social media.
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And social marketing for a very cool company in Asheville, North Carolina called Cultivate
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Climbing.
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Yes.
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We're Tim and I will add out Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
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Yeah.
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It's in our building where we have our studio and it just so happens that we pulled it
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out of the trash can with Lauren here.
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Exactly.
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It's perfect.
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Who would have thought?
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So yeah, I work for a Cultivate Management group.
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Oh, yeah.
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Right.
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I know.
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It's a little bit of nuance.
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So Cultivate Management Group, Cultivate Climbing is one of the brands of Cultivate Management
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Group.
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And we also have a rafting company in Asheville.
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Oh, that's awesome.
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Asheville Adventure Company.
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You need to do that, son.
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We need to take a day out on the water.
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Is the river clean after our flood?
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I don't know what the...
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It's clean enough.
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Okay.
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Clean enough.
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I shouldn't say that.
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Cut that out.
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It's clean.
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Cut that out.
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It's clean.
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It's...
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It's...
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It's ready for you to be there.
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Okay.
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I mean, clean enough.
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It's good for me.
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Yeah.
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I'm...
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Oh, you're not going down with your mouth open.
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Yeah.
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I've been in the river and I have lived to tell Vincel.
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So get out there.
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And we also, if you ever want to take a team trip to Colorado, we've got a rafting company
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in Colorado, too.
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One of the few states I've left to visit Colorado.
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Colorado?
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Colorado.
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Colorado.
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Wyoming.
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There's a few small, big states up there.
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I feel like Colorado is knocked off the books, usually pretty quickly.
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It's a power to know.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We have family that lives there.
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It's a big of Wyoming.
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I went to Jackson Hole.
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But...
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Amazing place.
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Yes.
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The namesake of my brother.
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You know what's really funny?
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I actually...
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Your brother named Jackson?
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Yeah, for Jackson Hole.
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I'll go ahead.
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It's not a hole.
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I was wondering if it's a...
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Oh.
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Well, my...
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My mother's always joke.
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Or I think it was actually serious.
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My dad wanted his middle name to be Wyoming.
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Oh, really?
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But...
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The name, actually.
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Oh, wow.
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Interesting story.
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About there, I was with Mike, one of my good buddies in neighbor.
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His wife's grandfather is the guy on the license plate.
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There's like a cowboy on the Wyoming license plate.
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What?
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Yeah.
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So her family is like multiple generations...
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Why?
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Settlers.
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Like, he...
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He helps settle the state.
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And so they have a house.
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They were grandfathered in to be in where the Teton's are and Grand Teton National Park.
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So their house, the living room, has a picture window that has a perfectly framed view
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of the T-tons.
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It was crazy.
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I got some crazy photos.
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It's an insane place.
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It's super special.
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Really?
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It really is.
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I saw it easily.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, social media.
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What drives you crazy about it?
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What's your first thought about it?
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Social media is a very complex topic in my mind because I work in it.
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I work in different places in marketing, but social media is kind of my stronghold and social
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strategy and particular brand voice through social media is kind of my particular interest.
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And at the same time, a lot of things about social media really scare me.
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Oh.
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It's good to know that.
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And I have a lot of complex feelings about social media.
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I think it's done a lot of really beautiful things for us and will continue to do a lot
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of really beautiful things for us.
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And it's also radically shaped the way we live in so many different aspects to the point
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that I don't know like a double edged sword.
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It's a double edged sword.
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It absolutely is a double edged sword and I think it's so important for how businesses
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do work and do marketing today.
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And it's just kind of figuring out how to leverage it within ourselves to set boundaries
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around it.
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But then at the same time, it's like the algorithm has built to break those boundaries.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm getting started.
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The last one you're reported.
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I was all wound up.
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What was it about?
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The algorithm?
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The algorithm.
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Blogs.
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Yeah.
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Blogs.
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It was similar in that this, you said it's like a, it's in a way the way we work in business.
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Yeah.
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I would say it's a forced thing.
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You know, like it's, you know, it starts, social media started with this like sharing
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of personal life.
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You know, that was the thing.
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Well, I don't actually, I think Facebook started with judging people's faces.
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That is actually how it started.
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So that's not great.
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But at some point, I remember my wife sharing pictures of our son.
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Yeah.
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It was like sharing with friends.
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It was very close.
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Yeah.
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And it was like sharing a photo album, a digital way of sharing your pictures you're
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taking your life.
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Right.
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Right.
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And now it is this forced mechanism of marketing.
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Right.
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Like we're trying to do this podcast in all honesty out of a need to market and create
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content.
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That's everyone's requirement.
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If you own a business, you got to create content.
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And it is so much work to do this.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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And to require every company, yeah, you know, to require every company to have to do this.
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That just seems crazy to me.
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Are you calling this forced?
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What you're doing right here right now?
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It is a little bit forced.
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Yeah.
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We, Reggie and I, we're in Nashville where there was the big hurricane as you were here
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as well.
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As I was too.
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And Cold Day climbing had to go through as well.
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And after that, we had some support to help us rebuild what we had lost.
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And in that support, we're like, how do we build our company?
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How do we market?
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And so we went through all the options, you know, traditional marketing, what they have
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now called growth specialists, we do all of them and the consistent thing kept coming
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back.
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You get to create content.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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We have to create content.
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So we're going to do it our way and we're going to make it feel like us, it's not going
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to be overly polished.
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It's not going to be the thing that marketing or that social marketing usually is.
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But still, it requires a lot of us as a team to put this job, to record it, to edit it,
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to post it, to share it.
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And so it's like half of our job is just creating content, yeah, and not even doing the
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work today.
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Not even doing the work.
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Yeah.
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It's like, I don't, you think half of your hours or something.
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It is.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, I guess 10 is personal hours.
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My personal hours, maybe more than half, but I think he, Mary puts in a lot of time, Dylan
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is putting in some time.
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That's a lot.
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Yeah.
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And maybe too much.
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Well, it's, when you have a small company, and most small companies are also forced to
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share content.
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It's true.
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And I have actually bucked the system, like I don't have a Facebook and I don't have
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an Instagram, I've actually never been on Instagram myself with my own account.
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Yeah.
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I've always sent him links.
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I've never downloaded TikTok.
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I love tourists.
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I have no desire, and I have no capacity to do it.
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So I think that it can suck you in.
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That's for sure.
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It really can.
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It's like I have three kids.
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I don't have time to learn about what a billion people are doing.
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Yeah.
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I think I want to get back into this idea of it being forced.
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And almost, I don't know if I want to change your mind, but I maybe want to change your
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mind.
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But I like wish that he was, you know, sending me to check this thing out.
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I saw on Instagram, like we do this.
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It's one way.
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It's ice into some cool things on there, though.
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I don't even know it's true.
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That's the thing.
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It's most of the scar, but he's made up.
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It's all fronts.
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Some of it is.
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But I ain't got a pretty good bullshit detector.
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Yeah.
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Like I think when you've been on it for long enough, you actually start to understand what's
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AI generated.
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I wouldn't say those people do that.
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They're like, I don't think most people do that.
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I know.
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The car and the driving, you're like, that is AI.
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Yeah.
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That's not real.
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It is crazy.
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What people are thinking is actually real and it's not.
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It's definitely.
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And I think every movie where there's a dystopian culture, it has to do with media being
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falsified.
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Yeah, yeah, falsified.
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You watch every futuristic movie where there's like some kind of regime or oppression.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's something to do with media kind of fake media to like control them.
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Yeah.
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And who controls social media?
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The algorithms.
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What show?
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What's not shown?
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What's pushed to create war and strife?
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What's pushed to create communities or their niches, that movement, stylistic fashion?
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All of that is owned by these buildings.
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That's what gets me hot about social media is that so for one, so Facebook, I used to use
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Facebook more for business when it was just me.
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When I was a solopreneur and I was mainly to promote my photography stuff.
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My post videos and photography and then people, it kind of kept me and fresh in people's
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mind.
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And someone thinks I'm going to hire a high-end photographer, oh, Reggie, because I'm constantly
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putting on content.
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Now it's really just like social, it's just like personal social, I'm not really doing
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any business stuff with it.
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Instagram, I used to do more, I used to do the same thing with Instagram.
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I really curated feed of just beautiful landscape images and that's it.
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I did learn a long time ago is if when I had portraits and landscape and all kinds of
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other things, you don't really get good traction because people want to come, if they see one
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of your landscapes and that's the thing that brings them to your feet, they want to see
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more of that.
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When they come there and there's a picture of your cat and your family in the backyard,
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they're just like, this isn't what I want.
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So when I curated it, where it was just all beautiful high-touch, like high-end landscape
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shots, my following shot up a lot.
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So I'm like, all right, this is what I have to do.
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The thing that gets me hot about it is that now it really is just an echo chamber politically.
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So whatever it is that you like, they just continue to feed you more of the exact same
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thing.
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What I'm seeing a lot of is people that have very skewed political beliefs, it just constantly
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gets reinforced.
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They don't get to see the any opposing views from any credible content creators that will
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help shift their mind and give them food for thought.
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They just keep getting fed the same exact notions.
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And so because of that, they stay in this like stuck place.
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And it's unfortunate.
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Yeah, we think it's bringing us together, but I think it's actually doing the opposite.
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Yeah.
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Not only is it, it's doing the opposite in a worse way because when you think you're
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close to somebody, but you're actually further from them, and you don't even know you're
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further from them.
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You don't even know your silent.
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That is even worse than actually being distant from someone and knowing and feeling the
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distance.
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Yeah, because then you can at least work on it effectively, but when you don't actually
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know and you have this false sense of security that you feel relationship or your closeness
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is actually a thing.
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Yeah.
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I think I agree with all of that on a macro scale, but I may be want to bring it back to
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what about social media for small businesses, because I think like that's what I wanted
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to come to with it being forced is I was interested in that framing of it because it's maybe
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in this marketing world we live in now.
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Is king or contents kind of the game you have to play, but we're what is content, I guess.
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It's why does that feel like a big task to create content because if we all are naturally
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creators, it's like we're just kind of I think social media can be a tool for displaying
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those creations to people that are trying to find you or people that may be in alignment.
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So it's like all of your saying of the political aspects, yes, absolutely.
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And I think we could probably spend five podcasts talking about how social media has influenced
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us in those ways.
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And it's the thing I wrestle with as I'm like social media, at least for now is here
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to stay.
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Mm hmm.
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Why do you think we're doing this?
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Yeah.
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How many years did it take me to realize that it's not going anywhere?
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And so how can we have conversations of how can we interact with social media in a way
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that's in alignment with us and what we're trying to do?
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You know, I'm pretty sure it's not too far off.
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And if somebody takes this idea and makes a billion dollars whether they want in, but before
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you know it, there's going to be a little orb that is like a little drone that just follows
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you around and captures little moments of your life and creates these edits for you to
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review at the end of the day and you get to choose what content you wanted to post.
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But that's, I know that's going to happen if you're going to have your little like personal
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thing falling around.
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Oh, we did something cool.
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And so I'm going to mark this, log this timestamp, and then you'll have these little
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cuts into the day.
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I think those gray band glasses, I think that's going to be sold, but it's going to be tracking
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you on what you're doing.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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The government as soon as you do something sketchy is going to be like, hey, government,
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they made a move about this.
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They made that movie with Chris Pratt, where like a artificial intelligence, like, oh,
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yeah.
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It's the one where he was like, guilty.
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Yeah, I started that and never finished it.
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So no spoilers.
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Hey, well, it's foreshadowing.
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Yeah.
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But how does that work?
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But that works.
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This idea works.
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It's like, yeah, follow you around.
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Yeah, yeah.
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How do you live?
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How do you live?
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Yeah.
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Who's thinking in the background?
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How could we use this?
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Oh, yeah.
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How could we recognize this?
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How could we control through this?
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So here's what I'm saying about small businesses.
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They even have less capacity to do other work.
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So small businesses are pushed to the max in their, what they have to do for their business.
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So now they also have to be creators and create content that does well on the market.
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So we're not talking like, just show us what have you do.
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Share your heart with the world.
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It just may be or do your thing.
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It's not that it's like, perform, do the part, hit the right points, do the right
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points.
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Whatever the thumbnail, you're literally doing someone's business.
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It's like everyone has to learn how to sing music.
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Yeah.
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And now for marketing, you have to sing and write a song every day.
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That's what we're going to require.
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Everyone to do to succeed.
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Yeah.
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You can't just be good at your work anymore.
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Yeah.
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You have to be actually non-stop pounding this platform.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What are your thoughts about it?
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I would like to believe there's somewhere in between that.
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Yeah.
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I'm an extremist.
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Yeah.
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It's funny because you're on one end and he's on the other.
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And I want to see where.
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Oh, there's the middle ground.
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Where can we?
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It's right here.
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Dylan might be the middle ground.
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I'm supposed to never hear.
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Right here.
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It's right here.
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No, it's right between us.
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I would say Dylan is one of the reasons I've developed a lover.
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Don't you mean him?
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Because the way she shares.
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I wouldn't say, I wouldn't call him love.
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Oh, but Dylan, it's not loading.
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It's like somebody walking past an arm museum and he's like, oh, that's okay.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I can't.
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I hate it.
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He's like this.
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He's not quite to love.
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He's somewhere between loading and loving.
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No, because I think Dylan, from the way she talks about it, it feels like what you're
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seeing.
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Like it's coming out of our natural place and it isn't forced and she doesn't have a
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chip under shoulder about it.
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And the way she uses it, I think, is really refreshing.
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I love your photo dumps.
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Those are like so cool because it gives me this whole snapshot of your life outside of
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the studio.
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And so I'm like, that's what she's up to.
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Yeah.
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I say, we, I like making like little digital archives at the month.
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It has been, it's been growing each month now that I'm like, alright, let me think about
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it.
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But I like portraying, yeah, I like portraying my life that way.
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And it's like in these little snapshots of like what has been going on and it feels
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more of like, feels more candid to me instead of like getting ready to curate from one
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moment.
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And it's like a little recap.
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And I like, when I get really bored, sometimes I go back and I'm like, what was I doing in
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January?
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And I look.
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So it's like a cool little digital archive for me.
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I just noticed it.
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You're using it the way it originally started.
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Like you're actually sharing all of this of your life and I appreciate that window into
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your life.
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Like it's, it's, it feels refreshing to see this, these parts of your life that I don't
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know.
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So now imagine being forced to do it as your business.
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Like you're an athlete, Dylan is an athlete, but imagine you're now a pro athlete and
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your social feed is like your success is wrapped up in your social feed.
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Who you're posting about what partners you have brands, what you're saying, who you support,
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what you don't support.
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And the consequences of all those decisions are your success.
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Now that social media, not the way you're using which I love, but the other aspects of
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it.
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We were recently talking with a good friend who is high up in the ranks of brand.
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And he said that the consequences of social media are so intense right now that you're starting
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to see a mass exodus from social media.
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People are starting to leave platforms of thousands to enter little tiny microcommunities
20:25
where there are substacks, discord, there's a, there's the big one anyway.
20:31
And they're creating these little communities of like 10 or 15 people.
20:35
And social media influencers can't get into those groups.
20:38
So companies are trying to figure out how are they going to reach people when they've
20:42
gone off and created their own little groups where you can be trusted people that are in
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it.
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Right.
20:47
You can actually develop close relationships.
20:50
Instead of this mass communications platform that he's now a little bit unruly in how
20:55
you get your things shown like that was changing the formula.
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Right.
20:59
I guess my question is small businesses have always had to market.
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No, he just put a yellow page ad out.
21:06
It genuinely like marketing used to not remember.
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You're not old enough to remember that there was a day where you wanted to start an
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insurance agency.
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Let's just go to like a normal business.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Something normal.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You would just, and I know this from personal experience because my wife's family have
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had a couple insurance agencies and her uncle talked me through his process.
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So he moved to Asheville.
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We wanted to start an insurance agency.
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He took an ad out in the yellow pages and it was a business.
21:35
It literally became a business.
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He got calls.
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He was successful in this long career.
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That doesn't exist now.
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And you also have word amount.
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So I think between yellow page ad because they were all in social media.
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Yeah.
21:49
So what was between word amount and social media?
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What was the, I mean, I think word of mouth is still quite relevant.
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No.
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No, it's dying.
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Not for.
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No, just because everybody is getting most of what they believe in from social media.
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No, it's not only that.
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It is kind of that.
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But it's that there's so much content coming in on a daily basis.
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And with COVID, people were pushed into their devices so hard that we lost our daily
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murder mouth connection.
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Mm-hmm.
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We weren't our murder mouth.
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Murder mouth.
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We used to have a habit of being with people, of sharing what we know.
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Yeah.
22:30
Now, we all know what we know because we're all looking at the same feed.
22:32
So no one really talks about what they know anymore because remember that era where
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it was like, did you see that thing?
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We already saw it.
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Yeah, yeah, right.
22:38
Did you see that?
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Yes, I saw it already.
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Yes, I saw it.
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Well, I guess we have nothing to talk about.
22:42
People are sending you things and it's like, yeah, I saw this already.
22:44
And so when someone goes to like, so who did you use for your social media and they're
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like, and then they just think of a name that comes from the feed.
22:52
I will say this though, word of mouth is now word of media because yeah, I saw a friend
22:59
posted the other day, who's the best time massage therapist in town and all of the people
23:05
were like chiming in and one of my friends named, who I threw in the head as well came up
23:09
a bunch of times and I was like, people still value actual people that's kind of word.
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That's like a new word.
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I'm not saying that people won't and I think it will break down back to word of mouth.
23:19
Yeah.
23:20
People start not trusting.
23:22
There's a lot of predictions about what, what amount of trust people will have in social
23:27
media in the next 24 months because of the AI generative stuff.
23:31
So I think it will come back, but and I only know this in personal experience because
23:34
our company died because of this transition into strong digital only environment.
23:41
And that's why he had such a tip on it.
23:42
Such a...
23:43
No, I had it before this.
23:44
I was in a band and I had to be on my space back.
23:49
Too much talk.
23:52
We are back.
23:53
We're back.
23:54
And we're back.
23:55
We got a little...
23:56
We got a little...
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Okay.
23:59
It's my space.
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I mean, guys.
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Guys, what about my...
24:02
I was just saying to buy to Tom.
24:03
Remember, Tom used to be the one profile that everyone had, everybody had, every account
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had Tom had to...
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I was thinking it was Dave, but...
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It was Tom.
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I believe.
24:15
And he was a really normal looking dude.
24:17
Well, Dave was...
24:18
Oh, in a sense he was a white guy with brown hair.
24:20
The dog...
24:21
What was the show?
24:22
The Blues Clues?
24:23
Wasn't that Dave?
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No.
24:25
No, that Steve.
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Oh, sorry.
24:27
I thought that's maybe who you were thinking about.
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No, I don't know why.
24:30
I was just...
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I can like see the picture.
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Yeah, it's a picture in him, Tom.
24:34
I think to me...
24:35
And I'm trying to remember why I got burned down on it with the band, I think that it was
24:41
this...
24:42
It's this...
24:43
It's this...
24:44
A performance that you're being forced to play.
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Yeah.
24:46
Well, I was there before social media, so I know what it was like before.
24:50
Did you know what it was like before?
24:51
Oh, I don't even know how to do it.
24:53
You don't have to say if you don't like it.
24:54
I can say...
24:55
Well, because I wanted to ask Dylan as well.
24:57
I know how old Dylan is, but I was going to ask how her age has played into it.
25:02
I'm 27.
25:04
And so I think I remember Instagram becoming a thing at some point in middle school.
25:13
And so I had a childhood without social media, and was like...
25:19
Which every child should have.
25:21
Yes, but that's very not the case these days.
25:24
I don't know.
25:25
And I was going to...
25:26
Is there something you're allowed on social media generally speaking?
25:28
I would say...
25:29
Because I know it's not the advice of...
25:31
Generally speaking, not even social media, but like on media, like have iPads and whatever,
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like TikTok games, where I didn't...
25:44
I had a laptop really young, which was like...
25:48
My mom and dad will watch this, and I don't know if we can talk about that, Mom and Dad.
25:52
What do you think is a bad thing?
25:54
I think I had access to too much information when I was young.
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That's my whole point.
25:58
I think social media is that in a nutshell.
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For sure.
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For sure.
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Yeah.
26:03
If D says it to those people to life, that's because they're just too much information
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and it's short form content.
26:11
So it's like I was reading Wikipedia pages, which is a little bit different than watching
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six second TikToks.
26:18
I think that is far worse for brain development, whereas I was actually educating myself
26:25
to some degree, but also developing really irrational fears, because I had too much access
26:32
to information.
26:33
Oh man, I think that's a big part of it too.
26:35
Right.
26:36
Yeah, because you're always bringing me this bullshit from social media, like, what's
26:39
happening?
26:40
You're showing me the video, I'm like, what the hell?
26:41
What the hell?
26:42
What's going on?
26:43
What's going on?
26:44
And you know what happens?
26:45
The world just keeps going on.
26:46
Where it keeps going on.
26:47
It's a clickbait thing.
26:48
It's like all of the...
26:49
You can trace what's going to happen with social media or anything by an incentive.
26:53
Yeah.
26:54
If you can lock in what the incentive is, then you can trace what the action's going
26:57
to be.
26:58
Yeah.
26:59
If the incentive is for clicks, and you're going to get things that give clicks.
27:03
You're not going to get normal stuff.
27:05
Yeah.
27:06
Because that doesn't get clicks.
27:07
What do you think about a lot of people use social media for news these days?
27:11
That's even...
27:12
That's unfortunate.
27:13
I mean, I...
27:14
My generation does.
27:15
I wasn't there.
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Yeah.
27:17
And I'm...
27:18
How would you feel about it?
27:19
Because I don't think it's bad at that level.
27:21
I...
27:22
I think it depends on who you're following.
27:24
I think there's...
27:25
What's your motivation?
27:26
I don't think social media is the only people that are, like, berating us with information
27:29
all the time.
27:31
I feel like the news is...
27:33
But that's the news's job is to keep you informed about everything that's going on.
27:36
So I feel like you've got to pick your poison, which, whatever.
27:38
Yeah.
27:39
That's true.
27:40
For me, it's like, if I'm going to get my news from social media, I can at least swipe
27:44
away if I'm not interested, or if I'm irrationally, like, or if I have to figure about it, and
27:50
I'm going to swipe away.
27:51
But that's kind of...
27:52
I also think...
27:53
I think, you know, I kind of take back my initial reaction to that comment because I think
28:00
maybe social media might be a better source, depending on who you're following.
28:04
Because there are certain people out there, I mean, to your point, Tim, like, you never
28:09
know what's like real.
28:10
But I follow, at least politically, there's, like, a few accounts that I follow and trust,
28:16
because the people actually are out on the front lines, bringing back stories from what
28:21
they're seeing.
28:22
They're in the courtroom.
28:23
They are actually delivering information.
28:26
And I cross-check that information across those other accounts with the same people that
28:32
are, you know, what's their take?
28:33
What was their, like, how did, what was their perception of the same thing that happened?
28:39
I actually think that the news might be probably not the best source for news these days, because
28:46
a lot of these...
28:47
I mean, you think about Fox News and you think about, you know, the big, the big news stations
28:54
or news houses, they are all politically motivated because they are, because the people
29:00
that they're all financially motivated.
29:02
That's what I mean.
29:03
They're politically...
29:04
They're politics only influences finances.
29:06
They're financially motivated to be politically...
29:10
Exactly.
29:11
Oh, biased.
29:12
Now it's the right order.
29:13
That's, yeah.
29:14
Here's the thing.
29:15
News started out as a public service.
29:16
Yes.
29:17
Channels that were creating media, for media sake, for people who, and this actually came
29:20
up with vlogs, I am not opposed to someone who is a creator and wants to create content,
29:25
creating content at all.
29:26
Right.
29:27
Like, I think the platform should only be creators who their heart is to create content.
29:30
This is what they want to do.
29:31
I just don't want everyone to be forced to create content, as a way of survival.
29:35
So what I'm saying about this...
29:36
All I'm pop shot.
29:37
There used to be media and entertainment channels that used to have to post a public service
29:43
news segment.
29:46
They know how I feel about segments.
29:49
We talked about...
29:51
We talked about...
29:52
And now the dance segment.
29:55
And now the Reggie segment.
29:56
Okay.
29:57
We hid the segments.
29:58
We called them something else.
29:59
Whatever.
30:00
Secret segments.
30:01
They actually did this public service, and they would just do the daily news.
30:06
Yeah.
30:07
And it was this little short thing where you would do, so what happened here, and
30:09
when I'm there, just to spread the word.
30:12
And then they started realizing the possibilities, and then Turner, I think, I think it was
30:19
Turner that started doing the 24-hour news cycle that didn't never existed.
30:24
And it never prevented humans from having a good life.
30:27
And it wasn't like, that solves everything.
30:29
Now humans are so much better for it.
30:31
It literally is money.
30:33
It's all about the money.
30:34
So when you have a...
30:35
Life's sad.
30:36
Later about money.
30:37
Well, I was going to say...
30:38
Unfortunately, let's get even more...
30:40
Then you go back to ancient times when the Native people of the American continent, they
30:46
weren't like about the money.
30:47
There was no money.
30:48
Okay.
30:49
But how did we get here, though?
30:50
Yeah.
30:51
Let's go through that.
30:52
How did we get to this?
30:53
Years of white oppression and colonization?
30:55
Yeah.
30:56
100%.
30:57
Money.
30:58
How do you...
30:59
I don't know what I'm saying.
31:00
Who created money?
31:01
Actually, that's a cool story.
31:02
I'm not going to bring it up now, because I don't know it fully, but...
31:04
I don't know either.
31:06
They used to trade tea.
31:07
I was kind of...
31:08
You know, the dried tea and the tea and the gold was too heavy to carry, and so they
31:16
started creating paper notes to say, this is worth this much gold, because I can't carry
31:22
a trailer full of gold with me.
31:25
And so they started trading paper, and then it was a trust thing.
31:28
It was this whole...
31:29
What do I guess?
31:30
What if we go back to gold?
31:31
Oh, it is already.
31:32
You can't make people...
31:33
You know what?
31:34
I'm going to have to give so much of stuff away, because it's too freaking heavy.
31:36
You can buy gold at Costco now.
31:38
Really?
31:39
Yeah.
31:40
But more of my questions...
31:41
That's a cool thing.
31:42
I didn't know that.
31:43
I don't want some gold.
31:44
Well, gold is all the rage right now.
31:45
It's like...
31:46
I know.
31:47
Really high...
31:48
People are valued still.
31:49
People are piling it on, so...
31:50
Yeah.
31:51
I think that there is worry that this money situation is going to get some gold bars and
31:53
hides...
31:54
It's going to become a problem.
31:55
But even gold, because really my question is if we're saying all of this is inhuman
32:02
or inhumane, really inhuman, feels different than inhumane.
32:06
It's non-human.
32:07
But we are the ones that created all of this.
32:09
We weren't though.
32:10
We didn't create this.
32:11
We were like...
32:12
Who did?
32:13
We were tempted.
32:14
Humans.
32:15
No, billionaires created this.
32:16
I mean, humans.
32:17
Are they...
32:18
Are they?
32:19
Are they...
32:20
What a billionaire to come on and prove to me they're human.
32:22
Yes.
32:23
We don't know what billionaires are.
32:24
They hide behind all the...
32:25
Analyzer?
32:26
All the...
32:27
Yeah.
32:28
I don't know that.
32:29
But I'm just saying they hide behind so many facades.
32:31
Money is the protection in this culture.
32:33
You haven't of money.
32:34
Then no one gets in.
32:36
You spend the news.
32:37
You spend the stories.
32:38
You spend the styles.
32:39
And the brands.
32:40
You spend the commercials.
32:41
You spend everything.
32:42
If you've billions of dollars, you don't have to be a human.
32:45
You just watch the measly humans down here.
32:47
What's the antidote then?
32:49
antidote.
32:50
I think there is a systematic change that we could...
32:52
Yeah.
32:53
If we had control of the algorithms.
32:55
Like, we can't control what's shown.
32:57
I think the algorithm really needs to take a hike.
33:00
I think...
33:01
No, but that's the moneymaker.
33:02
They're not going to give that away.
33:03
I know.
33:04
That's the truth of it.
33:05
Because it's motivated by money.
33:06
But here's the thing.
33:07
And I said this on another show.
33:08
It would be awesome if the algorithm was something you could opt out of.
33:13
That if you could have your...
33:14
You could have a chronological timeline.
33:16
Yeah.
33:17
I'm saying to you that.
33:18
Whenever you are...
33:19
Just whatever showed up.
33:20
I'm saying to you that this will show it up.
33:21
Yes.
33:22
It could be content you liked or content you didn't like.
33:25
But you were at least getting everything that was available as opposed to being channeled down
33:29
is very...
33:30
You know, down this ecotrated silo-created...
33:33
Yeah.
33:34
That's the most bullshit.
33:35
Now that would be a really cool thing if you could just say, I want the raw version of
33:39
Instagram and Facebook and...
33:40
You think that'll ever come?
33:42
No.
33:43
Because it's motivated by money.
33:44
It is motivated by money.
33:46
Because they benefit from you seeing the content that reinforces all your ideals.
33:54
And the ads that reinforce your ideals.
33:57
So you click on the right ad or it's just all about the money.
34:00
Do you take money out of the equation?
34:02
And that's what I want to do.
34:03
I think money is...
34:04
How does that change?
34:05
Money isn't evil.
34:06
Like, honestly, even with...
34:08
Like, I will go on record is saying I think and I'm sure I'm not...
34:13
I'm probably preaching to the choir.
34:15
Politics should not be monetized.
34:17
As long as you have money and motivation for money in politics.
34:23
I don't think you're ever going to have an honest, a fully honest politician.
34:27
Because they're going to have to play dirty in order to get even their own policies passed.
34:31
They're going to have to do some dirty things.
34:33
And that's just a nature.
34:34
Everybody thought Bernie was going to get in and be the super clean.
34:37
I'm like, even Bernie, as much as you can love him.
34:40
Don't hate him Bernie.
34:41
I know.
34:42
He's going to...
34:43
I mean, protect him.
34:44
But it's not Bernie.
34:45
It's the system of which, so for instance.
34:47
Well, but again, what's the antidote?
34:49
So let's say you come into just a...
34:51
We just end this in depression and just...
34:55
No, I'm like, I got to bring it back.
34:58
We passed the mic to Dylan because she brings the hope.
35:01
Yeah, good job.
35:02
That's right.
35:03
It calls us out.
35:04
Like Dylan, you can't show up at a gun party with a knife.
35:09
It's not going to work.
35:10
So if you're a party with no gun.
35:13
They're definitely not going to work.
35:15
It's going to be dead.
35:16
Yeah, it's going to be dead.
35:17
You can just shot up.
35:18
That's the thing.
35:19
And how do we change it?
35:21
We actually have to, as a people, rise up and demand nothing less than pulling all the money out of politics,
35:29
pulling the money out of media.
35:31
What if you pull the money out of everything?
35:33
Yeah.
35:34
So Kate Rayworth wrote this book called Donate Economics.
35:36
You should do this.
35:37
It's killer.
35:38
She talks about money as it was created is a flow of resources.
35:43
Yes.
35:44
That's what it was for.
35:45
Right.
35:46
When you created the ability to make money on money and people started hoarding it, it changed.
35:50
And it ruined the efficiency and the usage of money.
35:55
So one of the things she pitches, and it's a very cool way to look at economics.
35:59
We still work on like 100 year old framed economics.
36:03
All the economists right now are taught in school from things we learned 100 years ago.
36:08
Which is ridiculous in our world.
36:10
So when you read about the way that things actually work and the way that the flow of money is what it's for.
36:16
So imagine if billionaires had to spend their money.
36:19
They couldn't hoard it in a bank account or in all their assets all over the world.
36:23
They had to spend it.
36:24
What if it devalued over time?
36:26
What if the longer they held their money, it became worth less.
36:29
You dropped this up before.
36:30
That's what she presents this idea.
36:32
If every bill has a date on it, a good buy date.
36:35
And what you had to keep it as regulation couldn't hoard it.
36:39
It has to stay in circulation.
36:40
It has to be spent and used to move resources around.
36:43
Yeah.
36:44
Because there is a mountain shelf where to hold money, the supply and demand issue,
36:49
to hold it to make money on money interests and all this.
36:53
Like the billionaires are loaning us money.
36:55
Yeah, they're nice.
36:56
They're nice.
36:57
They're nice.
36:58
They're their principles.
37:00
No, they don't even pay taxes.
37:01
They're using the growth.
37:02
Right.
37:03
They're using loans on top of the money.
37:05
Yeah.
37:06
So if the money devalued as they held it and by the time if they held it for generation.
37:10
I'll put it on over to somebody else.
37:12
If they'd be moving it around and the economy would start flowing.
37:15
See, I like it.
37:16
But Tim has put me in my cynical mindset.
37:19
Oh, bring it.
37:20
What do you got?
37:21
Well, I'm just going to say that that will never happen.
37:23
Right.
37:24
Right.
37:25
I'm telling you the same thing.
37:26
Social media will never change because of this.
37:27
Yeah.
37:28
Because even though when they try to start like a people's social media or like an employee
37:32
or like owned by the people type thing, it just doesn't work.
37:35
Yes.
37:36
But this is what I've been trying to bring us back to.
37:39
So we're coming back.
37:41
Social media is always going to have these bad things about it because it's run by billionaires
37:48
and you know, the controllers of society influence influence.
37:53
And it's here to stay.
37:57
And it's doing us no good to sit around hating it.
38:01
So how can social media be used to change change the world for the better?
38:07
Yes.
38:08
I'm going to bring it back to you.
38:09
Yeah.
38:10
What do you think?
38:11
I think.
38:12
A big moment.
38:13
A big moment.
38:14
A big moment.
38:15
I'm really on the spot.
38:18
Wait.
38:19
No.
38:20
No.
38:21
I think that social media.
38:22
Well, well, you have to put the jeopardy like done.
38:26
No.
38:27
Really.
38:28
I'm hoping for a mic job moment.
38:30
You take your mic off and you wrap it on the ground.
38:34
Social media.
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It's like anything else that I really think is going to be how things change.
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And unfortunately, I don't think it will be for everyone.
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But I hope it can be for as many people as possible.
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Like you were saying earlier, it has to come back to smaller groups.
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So it's using social media.
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And that's why I brought up small businesses and like how I see cultivate social media
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in presence, how it's grown and how that's played into what we're doing over there.
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Is social media has really been used as a vehicle at cultivate to bring that community closer together
39:14
and be kind of this like visual or digital.
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That's true.
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Wasn't the word I was looking for.
39:24
Like a community board where it's like, I'm able to know what's happening.
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And so then I can come to these cool events or it's like, I feel closer to this community
39:32
because I'm in on what's going on.
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And it's just a show.
39:37
It's like an interactive.
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Yeah.
39:39
And I think more and more social media hopefully can become that.
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But it won't become that across the board.
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There's always going to be these big time influencers, these big time accounts
39:53
that are kind of feeding this algorithm and like this make money get rich quick scheme.
39:59
Because that's what it's what works.
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It's what works or what people want.
40:05
And I do think there's enough of a common humanity left within most of us.
40:13
I hope all of us that we're still searching for human connection in everything
40:21
and something to bring us closer together.
40:24
And so how I see social media as us being able to look at the positive spots of it
40:30
is we're using it for that.
40:31
It's like, I don't think it's something that we can just ignore because we won't get anywhere
40:37
without ignoring it or using those tools.
40:39
But how can we interact with it in a way that still brings us joy and makes it feel like
40:46
something in alignment for us rather than just like bearing our heads in the sand
40:50
and saying like, I hate that and it's evil and I'm not going to touch it.
40:53
Because no change comes from that.
40:55
I've been seeing some reals that have been doing, they've been hijacking the algorithm
41:00
and just saying we are only going to show you good things, positive things
41:04
and they'll have a whole real of things you might have missed in the news
41:07
because they didn't get the clickbait.
41:09
They weren't like the, it wasn't the item that's going to get everybody,
41:15
but I keep everybody afraid and upset and angry and fighting against picking sides
41:21
and fighting against sides.
41:23
It will be something like some person received some really high honor
41:27
for creating something for humanity or somebody did some kind of thing with animals.
41:33
It's really positive stories and so there's a couple of accounts I follow like that
41:37
specifically because they hijack.
41:39
And one, I don't think it's good for a nervous system to be constantly getting bad news
41:43
and be constantly at odds and I mean, I think it raises your blood pressure
41:47
when you're constantly like in this state of like, I can't fix this.
41:51
This is all Jeff.
41:53
And so what if this is an interesting idea and it came out of what you were saying?
41:58
What if you could decide or vow not to follow anyone that's not directly connected
42:06
with someone you know that can vouch for them?
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Ooh, I like that.
42:11
Actually everyone who's disconnected from us, because what you're saying is true,
42:14
in our communities, there is good and we can see it with each other.
42:18
It's these accounts that are coming from outside who are just trying to get the clicks
42:23
and are trying to get us, get us like all worked up, have nothing to do with us
42:27
that are getting us distracted and just off center.
42:32
So what if there's like, I know Dylan and Dylan knows this person.
42:36
So I can be connected to this person and trust through Dylan that this is a trusted network.
42:42
And so every, and what if it was a setting on your network or whatever you're on
42:48
where you could just say trusted network and it literally muted everyone
42:52
that wasn't directly connected with someone that you've set as a direct contact.
42:56
And the only content you got was from us.
42:59
That's how hinge was created.
43:02
Hinge used to be only people you had.
43:04
Yeah, used to have like mutual connections with.
43:07
Interesting.
43:08
You know what we talked about online dating on this podcast?
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Yeah.
43:11
And it's interesting to think or the similarities between branding and online dating.
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And how you like branch yourself.
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Yeah, kind of like how you present to the world and how you try and get a date.
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Yeah.
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What?
43:25
What about?
43:26
So LinkedIn kind of is like that a little bit.
43:28
Mutual.
43:29
But it's not that you don't black out anything else.
43:31
But the content you get easily is from like multiple degrees of connection.
43:35
Why do you think LinkedIn is one of the strongest?
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It's the strongest.
43:38
It died out for a long time.
43:39
Instagram's like Instagram.
43:40
And then Zuckerberg bought Instagram and it tanked it and LinkedIn rose.
43:45
Yeah, LinkedIn is definitely on the up for sure.
43:48
Yeah.
43:49
Okay, but I'm going to push back.
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Oh, I'm coming around.
43:51
I'm pushing back.
43:52
I'm pushing back because I do think one of the other positives of social media is people
44:02
that were born into a family, into a culture, into a community that they don't feel any alignment
44:10
with.
44:11
So I'm thinking like a queer teenager in small town, Alabama, they're unlikely to have anyone
44:19
in their community.
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That's what would be a setting you can choose.
44:23
You know, if you're truly.
44:24
There you go.
44:25
I don't think you can create mass media based on a few sources.
44:33
So that's like someone saying it's easy to make a million dollars if lightning strikes.
44:37
You know, like it's easy to this person, so like if one person needs not to have gluten,
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do you make everyone live non-gluten?
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Well, I'm not saying one.
44:47
This is one example.
44:48
I'm not saying it's easy.
44:49
I'm not saying it's easy.
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Social media largely has done that for a lot of people.
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Do you think?
44:54
I think that's the narrative.
44:55
But I'm trying to think of people that I know that use social media like that.
44:58
And this gets back to our local communities.
45:00
We can know from the people we know, I mean, I'm not expecting me to know because I'm a
45:05
white man.
45:06
I know that's what you're thinking.
45:07
But I did tell a story on the podcast once where I was in a youth group because I grew
45:11
up as a Christian in a church and I was in a youth group and we kept calling things
45:14
gay.
45:15
I was in a friend of mine who was in the youth group.
45:16
I was told that he was gay.
45:17
And then it really hurt his feelings.
45:18
That opened our eyes.
45:19
It was such a moving, yeah, it was a beautiful experience.
45:22
So I'm not saying I know everything.
45:24
I'm just saying if you took a poll of all the people in your life, in your life, in your
45:29
life, who have used social media in this way, what percentage is it?
45:33
And maybe there's another solution that could solve it for the hurting community or the
45:39
shut out community.
45:40
Yeah.
45:41
But to open a gateway for the mass media and the controllers of the narrative, we're talking
45:49
about narrative here.
45:51
There are ways of creating microcommittees for those people where you really have connection
45:55
and you're not seeing someone charading around as I'm transgender.
45:59
Like maybe they are, maybe they aren't.
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And maybe they're pushing some narrative that someone who is actually transgender needs
46:05
to be connected with someone in their surroundings to feel seen.
46:09
Not like follow this weird, overcharacterized or caricaturized version of that, but someone
46:17
in their life somehow connected, you know, like a connection is a connection because you
46:23
feel connected by it.
46:25
And I'm speaking too much on the subject because I am a white man and I know that that's
46:29
a problem in my experience.
46:32
But with all of our communities, there is a connection that needs to happen.
46:38
Like we all need more connection.
46:39
100%.
46:40
I wish social media was at a place where just by using it, it made you feel and crave human
46:48
connection more.
46:49
And so you maybe used it to find your clan and then you got together in person with your
46:55
clan with your people.
46:56
Well, I was just having a talk with my good friend last night and he says, I'm just a
47:00
creeper.
47:01
Do you say creeper?
47:02
I'm a lurker.
47:03
He says, I'm a lurker.
47:05
I just told you he's a creeper.
47:06
He's the reporter.
47:07
He's the wrong word.
47:08
He's a jeeper creeper's before we came on and that stuck in my brain.
47:12
He's a lurker.
47:13
He's like, he's a lurker and he just thoughts his friends on Facebook.
47:17
People he can get together with.
47:18
He just wants to see what everyone's doing.
47:19
Yeah.
47:20
And if you study, I did a project in college about voyeurism, which is an insanely deep
47:27
seeded thing in our culture.
47:29
And social media is all voyeuristic people.
47:33
You don't have your content locked down and you have your content only for friends.
47:37
You can, somebody could effectively go on and just kind of follow what you're doing
47:41
in life and just not only that, but AI can follow along and know a lot about you and profile
47:45
you.
47:46
AI is the ultimate voyeur.
47:47
So voyeuristically, everyone is, we used to get villainized peeping, Tom's, but everyone
47:54
right now is a peeping Tom.
47:56
Everyone is voyeuristically looking at everyone else's life.
47:58
It's not a gateway to like some kind of physical connection.
48:02
No.
48:03
You are creating one, which I think is fantastic.
48:05
Like if you're creating a community board, which is localized, it has a community.
48:09
People see what each other are doing and get together.
48:12
That is the most killer implementation of social media I've ever heard of.
48:16
Yeah, I was going to say that's how I like to see social media being used, but think
48:20
about it.
48:21
When you learn of someone, what's the first thing you do?
48:24
You probably don't do this, but if somebody put in a job application or you're going
48:29
to look them up.
48:30
You're going to look them up on social media.
48:31
Have they said anything seducing?
48:32
You're going to look them up on social media.
48:34
Do they believe what politics do they subscribe to?
48:37
Sure.
48:38
Yeah.
48:39
They can trust what they've given us.
48:40
Yeah, a whole other layer of human connection and it's pretty crazy.
48:45
And then you add onto that some black mirror shit with like rating someone's social capital,
48:51
human social abilities and like what they can access and what they can't.
48:54
I remember that episode where everybody had like a rating, every time they did something
48:59
in public, their rating would come down.
49:00
I heard this actually is in practice in China right now.
49:03
Oh my gosh.
49:04
Or if you get rated down, you can't go into certain places.
49:08
I can't go get on a flight.
49:10
You can't like go into certain stores.
49:12
Have you seen, do you watch blackmail?
49:14
I do a little bit.
49:15
That episode is definitely worth watching because it kind of freaks you out a little bit
49:18
when you think about the potential.
49:19
All of it freaks you out.
49:21
And all of it does.
49:22
But some of it, it comes true, the dogs, the like robotic dog episode when they had like
49:28
machine guns, like I actually have already seen a real of one of those robotic dogs that
49:33
somebody hit like and it had a gun on it and it was like shooting targets.
49:38
I've seen this one.
49:39
Yeah.
49:40
They had this robotic zone you were talking about will actually be weaponized as well, little
49:43
guns on it.
49:44
They are.
49:45
Wasn't this a Marvel movie when they took that little thing up in the air and they shot
49:49
different people of power?
49:50
Yeah, absolutely.
49:51
But this is like what's happening in like I ran in Ukraine right now.
49:55
Yes.
49:56
It's like all this stuff that like gets washed down into our media.
49:59
Some of it's got to be truth.
50:01
Imagination can only take you so far.
50:03
That's the truth.
50:04
Yeah.
50:05
And when you're in a lot of big rooms and you got a lot of people, secrets come up because
50:10
it's already happening.
50:11
My TikTok feed, I got off a TikTok about a month ago.
50:15
Wow.
50:16
Because I got on like going through with your arms kind of a mentioning a little bit.
50:21
You can see in the back, feed them like scratching everything.
50:24
I got off of TikTok, me and my partner did because we were getting just like, I ran
50:30
drone footage.
50:31
I was like, we were on the dark, dark side of TikTok.
50:35
My gosh.
50:36
We were talking like it was hard to do.
50:37
Yeah.
50:38
So it's all coming real.
50:39
The thing for me when I watch Black Mirror and stuff like that is like, people are imaginative.
50:44
Yes.
50:45
But there has got to be a source of truth on some things that are being told.
50:48
Yeah.
50:49
I was going to say, sadly, when I look at Black Mirror, it used to be like, wow, this is
50:53
far fish.
50:54
This is crazy.
50:55
But now I was like, this could happen.
50:58
This is probably going to happen.
50:59
But it's okay.
51:00
This is probably already in the prototype right now.
51:04
And with the billions, they're putting into AI and you know, you want them?
51:07
You should see this thing that Mike is a maker.
51:10
And just put a billion dollars of their own money to fund this quantum computing chip
51:17
factory.
51:18
Oh.
51:19
So quantum computing, it's, okay, so normal, normal digital technology that we experienced
51:25
today is based on a zero and a one, one being off and on.
51:29
You can think of it off and on.
51:31
And literally that is how bits work off and on.
51:34
And that's how you control the computer.
51:37
Quantum computing computing is a is based on quantum theory and quantum physics, where
51:42
the zero and one can both be zero and one.
51:46
Oh, so they can, they can choose.
51:48
And I can't even explain this with any justice.
51:50
Just watch a quantum computer quantum computing video and they will try to try to hold this
51:56
information in your brain.
51:57
It almost doesn't actually work in your mind to think this.
52:01
But it will open up the like hundred X computing power to something can be solved instantaneously.
52:10
The biggest equations ever, you know, blockchain technology is one of the most secure technologies
52:17
that's ever been created.
52:18
Quantum computing can break it in like a few minutes.
52:22
So everyone, so you know how everyone's on this AI chase or like AI is going to solve
52:25
everything.
52:26
That's why there's billions of dollars being poured into it.
52:29
And there's no return on it.
52:30
There's literally that no AI company has had a return that's that's profitable, which
52:36
is literally all debt.
52:37
I watched a clip yesterday where they were talking about in Florida where they're putting
52:42
all these data centers and the data centers are actually sucking up so much of the fresh
52:47
water is they use the fresh water to cool.
52:51
They use this evaporative cooling method to keep the chip school.
52:55
Otherwise they would just burn up instantaneously because the amount of data that they're processing.
53:00
And so they were saying that it's not sustainable now that a data center uses up the same amount
53:06
of water per year as like 60,000 to 100,000 homes.
53:12
And now the people that live in these homes are having to do things like they can't water
53:16
their cars.
53:17
It's certain times they can't water their lawns.
53:19
This is only the beginning.
53:20
You've not heard of this like when you use one prompt, you see it's like throwing a bottle
53:24
of water out the window.
53:25
Yeah.
53:26
Or more.
53:27
It could be more.
53:28
We don't have data centers going in all over the place.
53:30
And yet it's for technology that isn't even profitable.
53:34
That's really sad.
53:35
People are losing, but they see the values of their homes are going down in Florida specifically
53:40
because of these data centers.
53:41
Why do you think Elon wants to put a data center in space?
53:44
Oh my god.
53:45
Which is cool.
53:46
Which is cool.
53:47
Which is cool.
53:48
Which is cool.
53:49
Which is cool.
53:50
Which is cool.
53:51
Which is cool.
53:52
Which is cool.
53:53
Which is cool.
53:54
Which is cool.
53:55
Which is cool.
53:56
Which is cool.
53:57
Which is cool.
53:58
Which is cool.
53:59
Which is cool.
54:00
Which is cool.
54:01
Which is cool.
54:02
Which is cool.
54:03
Which is cool.
54:04
Which is cool.
54:05
I don't know.
54:06
I don't know.
54:07
I don't know.
54:08
I don't know.
54:09
Or like scarier than the industrial revolution?
54:10
This is way more scarier because of the scale.
54:11
But we weren't alive.
54:12
So how do we know?
54:13
Yeah.
54:14
I was in love.
54:15
But all the people.
54:16
I'm not that old.
54:17
I was about to be like I was thinking that was like don't you dare look at me.
54:18
I was in industrial revolution.
54:19
Reggie.
54:20
They sell in black and white pictures.
54:21
Well, I saw Sherlock Holmes and it looked really cool.
54:23
I wasn't when Jesus walked the earth.
54:25
Reggie.
54:26
I was on Facebook.
54:28
I would say I would say that it seems from the movies.
54:33
It didn't seem like it was great.
54:34
I mean, people got pulled out of the suburban or not.
54:37
It wasn't even suburban.
54:38
It was just the countryside to work on factories.
54:40
Yeah.
54:41
Now imagine you have a in a couple of years, they're like they're predicting the job market
54:47
will be at like a 80 to 90% job unemployment rate.
54:51
So now imagine.
54:53
Yes.
54:55
Exactly.
54:56
What are we going to do?
54:57
What are we going to do?
54:58
They're going to put us humans in the place that AI can't do it.
55:01
Yeah.
55:02
Which is anywhere there's not strangers.
55:04
Yeah.
55:05
Until they get robots.
55:06
Physical labor is the thing like if you do something that instruction workers.
55:09
Right.
55:10
If anything that can be done in the real world, which is like factory work.
55:12
Until they get the robots, I think the robots are going to be here before we're put into that kind of place.
55:17
Robots can do factory but can they do construction?
55:20
I mean, there are some that are getting there.
55:23
I think in years to come, they will be.
55:25
But I think the most instant result is going to be what happens.
55:30
What is the solution?
55:33
Is there an income that everyone gets?
55:35
Because now our information is what it was trained on.
55:38
Social media is what's training a lot of these.
55:41
Yeah.
55:42
And we're monitoring if we all just got like a stipend every month that would sustain us.
55:45
And so we didn't really care as much.
55:47
Right.
55:48
I think money is going to be a hot topic because how do you value life when you no longer have a job?
55:54
The value of money is going to go down if nobody can spend it.
55:57
And no one can spend it or make it.
55:59
Yeah, if you can't make it and you don't have it.
56:01
But there has to be a way like even billionaires need a populace.
56:05
Yeah.
56:06
What's the point?
56:07
What's the point?
56:08
I'm just going to sit in this tower and just live in.
56:10
I don't know, man.
56:11
This has given me like Wally vibes.
56:14
Man, remember all the people just.
56:17
They lost their bone structure.
56:19
Yeah.
56:20
So what is the value of life?
56:22
And I think that this is where capitalism bites us in the ass is that we have made the value of life what you do.
56:28
Yeah.
56:29
Instead of the value of who you are.
56:31
Yeah.
56:32
When you're paid and valued, like you said this earlier about social media,
56:35
I was posting pictures that I liked and I realized that people didn't like those.
56:39
And so I started posting really beautiful pictures.
56:41
Yeah.
56:42
People started liking those.
56:43
So when people start teaching you through capitalism and incentive,
56:46
that what you do, we brought this topic up,
56:49
but there are people who have been trained to do things that are not good for them,
56:52
like mukbang videos and some weird stuff,
56:55
because people like it.
56:57
And so like trains them to do this stuff that's not them.
57:00
I actually listened to that part of that episode.
57:03
And it's so dark that that is how we're being moved because of this incentive trying to make money.
57:09
Yeah.
57:10
And how do you teach and revalue life?
57:12
I mean, but that's not what you do.
57:14
That's human nature, though.
57:15
That's not just capitalism.
57:16
Yeah.
57:17
I mean, they're not doing this human nature.
57:19
They've exploited this.
57:20
They've exploited it.
57:21
Yeah.
57:22
They've exploited the nature of the human nature to be liked and to want to be liked.
57:25
Especially when you see reals of people doing ridiculously embarrassing things
57:29
because they think they're going to get likes from it.
57:32
It's exploitation of human nature.
57:34
Yeah.
57:35
It's like, yeah.
57:36
I mean, exploitation.
57:37
People of ideology is like, if I do something, they're going to like me.
57:41
Yeah.
57:42
I want to fit in.
57:43
Or they're going to make fun of me.
57:44
Or they're going to make fun of me if I don't do it.
57:46
Yeah.
57:47
And it's exploitation all around.
57:49
I mean, if the system is built to where you punish someone for doing something wrong,
57:54
like get them canceled.
57:55
Right.
57:56
Or you give them benefits if you do something right.
57:59
And they go viral.
58:01
Move in the right direction.
58:02
How do you like it?
58:03
Go on.
58:04
Or at this.
58:05
And now that's who they become.
58:06
Yeah.
58:07
Which is interesting.
58:08
Yeah.
58:09
I think I saw a post the other day of this woman who's a ballet dancer.
58:12
But apparently she didn't have a massive following in ballet.
58:15
And she had in her caption.
58:17
She was doing this like kind of, she was doing the doggie.
58:19
She was doing this hip hop dance.
58:21
And the caption says, this is who I am now.
58:24
And she's doing this like hip hop dance instead of her ballet.
58:29
But it was actually really beautiful because she had found a way to like
58:33
mix ballet in with this hip hop dance.
58:36
And what if that was who she was?
58:37
It was pretty badass.
58:38
And maybe it's not about whether it is or not who she is.
58:43
It's whether it is or not who she wants to be.
58:46
Yes.
58:47
And I think that is the question.
58:48
But if it is more power to her, but she obviously had to make a shift
58:52
because she wanted to pivot into something that more people would find joy in.
58:58
But I love ballet too.
59:00
I'm going to say this.
59:01
I do believe in the resilience of humanity.
59:05
And I believe in the good.
59:07
And I believe in truth.
59:09
It's so nice.
59:10
I'm going to say this because I come at things with a little bit of.
59:17
For the pitchfork.
59:18
That's not pitchfork.
59:19
It's just, I don't easily just take things on.
59:22
I really try to push it.
59:25
But it's not because I want to be a hater.
59:27
It's because I think there's a better way.
59:29
Yeah.
59:30
But what you just said about.
59:32
That is what they are.
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There is a place where we are pushed through suffering and pain to become.
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Yeah.
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To like evolve, to change.
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Right.
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And the things that we're enduring now, though we want them to stop.
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And we want things to get easier.
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Life keeps giving us this nudge into the truth within us.
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Not like some weird religious thing.
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But the truth that's built in us, like how do we be more ourselves?
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How do we see more who we are through others and through ourselves?
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So I think that the suffering we're experiencing is not accidental.
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And it's not.
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I don't even think it's controlled by them, even though I've said that blatantly.
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I'm trying to like, I think when you just process verbally, you do say things.
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And then you're like, wait a minute, I don't really know about it.
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Yeah, you're allowed to change your mind.
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Yeah.
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They are having their heyday right now, making a ton of money on us.
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But I think we will rise.
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What if on our path to that, the way we get there is that we as people take inventory
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of who we are in the moment and test that against who we are at our core.
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Like what feels good?
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Like I think if we all just took inventory of just look in the mirror and like,
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this is who I am.
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This is what I'm presenting myself as.
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What does that feel?
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Does this feel authentic?
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Does this feel like me?
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What resonates?
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What doesn't?
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And then throw away what doesn't and hold on to what does.
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And then maybe we start to live more authentically into our true selves.
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Hmm.
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I think we need time.
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We need time.
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We need to do that.
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That again, to get back into capitalism is.
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You don't have time.
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Yeah.
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Takes away our time.
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It's money.
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Don't need me.
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Okay.
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Set the timer another hour.
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We need to talk about it.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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We're pushed for time.
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We're pushed for money.
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We're pushed for resources.
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We're pushed for energy drain.
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Like we just feel so drained.
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Yeah.
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But it's all part of the thing that's happening to us.
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Something I'm working on in my personal life and I don't think it's unique is like the idea
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of rebuilding a village and relying on other people again in your community.
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It's the whole thing of like you used to ask your friends to drive you to the airport or
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watch your dog for you.
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And now it's like, oh, I'll take a new bird.
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Like I have to pay my friend like all this money to watch my animal.
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But it's like we used to just do those things for each other.
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For each other.
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It wasn't monetized.
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It wasn't monetized.
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And it's like you were inconvenienced but that I saw on Instagram this thing the other
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day.
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But it was like inconvenience is the price you pay for community.
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So it's like that's a way that I think we all could ultimately have more time is building
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more community.
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What if we just go back to the barter system?
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We can't do it all ourselves.
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We just like, Hey, I need my deck repaying it and it looks like you need some plumbing.
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How about we just try it out?
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No, but the thing about you know why that changed small business.
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Optimizing and monetizing every little thing.
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When you want to start a business or like just think about something you do on a daily basis.
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And then charge someone for that.
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So like that is the mentality now charge for everything.
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And I would even say I would even say don't tell your kids when they're doing something
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we'll sometimes jump to you could make a business out of that.
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Don't do that because when you take when you take intrinsic value and make it
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extrinsically valuable.
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It loses your intrinsic value.
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So we used to take care of each other.
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We used to watch each other's kids, watch each other's pets, get the mail, drop it off.
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Like there were things we didn't have to actually pay someone do every single little thing.
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I love that rebuild the village.
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Let's go back to that rebuild the village.
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Yeah, I think there's like people are starting to talk about it because I think it's becoming necessitated.
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It's going to have to have to be quiet.
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Yeah, I take all the jobs.
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We're going to have to grow our own food.
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We're going to have to grow our own food.
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We'll be using them to grow our own food.
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Which we should be doing anyway.
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I love that.
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Well, this was an interesting conversation.
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I think it went in some places that I thought it was going to go in some places that I didn't.
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Yeah, but I appreciate it.
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Thanks for joining us.
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It was nice having your point of view in the conversation.
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It was great to be here.
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It was a perfect topic.
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