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Chasing Rock & Roll Dreams: The Ups, Downs & Hard Lessons Learned [Episode 276] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: Coming up on this episode of Booked on Rock, a
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  Speaker 1: first hand account of what it's like to chase your
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  Speaker 1: rock and roll dreams. New Jersey rocker Wayne Oliveri shares
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  Speaker 1: the ups, the downs, and the hard lessons learned. We're
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  Speaker 1: totally bummed rock and roll.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I leave you you're reading.
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  Speaker 3: Little Hands says it's time.
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  Speaker 1: To rock and roll roll.
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  Speaker 2: I totally booked.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Booked on Rock, Emeric Senitch, My guest
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  Speaker 1: is Wayne Oliveri. He is the author of The Undiscovered Showman,
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  Speaker 1: a true story of being almost famous. Welcome to the podcast. Wayne,
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Eric, thanks for having me. Before we get into
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  Speaker 1: all these great stories in the book, tell us where
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  Speaker 1: you're from and when you started playing in bands and
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  Speaker 1: making music.
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  Speaker 2: I'm from a town called Plainfield, New Jersey. It's smack
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  Speaker 2: dab in the center of the state, about an hour
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  Speaker 2: from the beach, about a half hour from New York.
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  Speaker 2: Born here, and I guess I started. Believe it or not,
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  Speaker 2: it's in the book. I actually remember. I must have
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  Speaker 2: been six maybe when the Beatles came on at Sullivan
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  Speaker 2: and my older brother and I Gary's like six years
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  Speaker 2: older than me, so he must have been like it
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  Speaker 2: had to be like twelve or eleven or something. I
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  Speaker 2: remember running to the closet, grabbing a broom and just
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  Speaker 2: jumping up and down. I know what it was, but
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  Speaker 2: it was bizarre because it just kind of took over me.
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  Speaker 2: I was just mesmerized by like I can still remember it.
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  Speaker 2: And from that moment on, I knew what I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to do. I wanted to be a beatle. And from
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  Speaker 2: there it was weird because I started going to church
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  Speaker 2: in a Saint Mary's Boys choir in fourth grade. I
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  Speaker 2: started singing, and I loved it. It was just like
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  Speaker 2: to me, it was like magical, like I felt like
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  Speaker 2: a star was in the choir loft.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: We got these robes on every eleven o'clock mess we'd
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  Speaker 2: walk down and Catholics who used to get communion and
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  Speaker 2: everybody used to look at us, and I used to
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  Speaker 2: dig it, you know. And the choir master was one
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  Speaker 2: of these cats who were real super like he was
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  Speaker 2: a Vienna Choir Boys kind of guy. You know. He
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  Speaker 2: was like strict, super strict, and he taught us how
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  Speaker 2: to sing, and he taught we actually sang. I sang
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  Speaker 2: with the being a choir boys, so it was a
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  Speaker 2: very professional guy. And that's how I learned and and
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  Speaker 2: I think I started my first band in seventh grade
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  Speaker 2: and went on from there and never stopped.
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  Speaker 1: This book is not only entertaining to read in terms
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  Speaker 1: of seeing what life is like for musician pursuing their dream,
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  Speaker 1: but there are words of vice and wisdom throughout. And
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  Speaker 1: you're write quote, it's always better to have a definite
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  Speaker 1: leader calling the shots or chaos ensues. And this comes
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  Speaker 1: up while you're writing about the band Coffee. Tell us
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  Speaker 1: about the band Coffee.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Coffee was kind of a band from previous bands.
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  Speaker 2: Mark Baxter was in it, the drummer and guitar player
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  Speaker 2: and the bass player and the keyboard player. And these
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  Speaker 2: guys are older than us. Me and Mark were younger.
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  Speaker 2: I think, God, we must have been read out of
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  Speaker 2: high school almost, you know. So it was somewhere around
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  Speaker 2: seventeen or eighteen years old. Coffee was an interesting band
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  Speaker 2: because the club scene in New Jersey was like no other.
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  Speaker 2: It was almost like a Liverpool. At that time. The
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  Speaker 2: drinking age was eighteen in the state of New Jersey
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three till eighty two, and there was a
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  Speaker 2: club on every corner. I mean, there was bands that
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  Speaker 2: you wouldn't believe in it and it's not like it
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  Speaker 2: is today where you move a couple of tables and
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  Speaker 2: you set up the band. It was full fledged rock shows.
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  Speaker 2: I mean twenty four foot trucks full of equipment. We
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  Speaker 2: had managers, we were playing six nights a week. But
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  Speaker 2: chaos ensued in general, just not even Coffee, but in
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  Speaker 2: Rock Kids and any other band I was in, it's
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  Speaker 2: like if you didn't have a leader, it was hard
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  Speaker 2: to really get anything accomplished if you started button Heads,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what happened. We started button Heads a real lot,
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  Speaker 2: and Artie de Leonardo, my bass player, and Tico, he
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  Speaker 2: was a keyboard player. They bumped head's real bad and
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  Speaker 2: eventually fistfights, a physical fight, it broke out, and then
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  Speaker 2: the band broke up. But I think in every band
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  Speaker 2: that I've been in, you really have to have some
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  Speaker 2: sort of either a leader or co leader where you
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  Speaker 2: have a majority rule or you have someone that's calling
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  Speaker 2: the shots. Like even in the New Bordez, which is
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  Speaker 2: the band I'm in now. Myself and Gar who's throughout
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  Speaker 2: the book my partner, we kind of write all the
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  Speaker 2: songs and there's there's a certain everybody has their niche
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  Speaker 2: and that's what we do. And I think it's good advice.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's very hard with anything, any kind of team.
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  Speaker 2: It's very hard to run something without anybody being so
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  Speaker 2: called leader, even in the military, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, Well, that's the importance of a manager too.
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  Speaker 2: Management, I think is if I when I look back
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  Speaker 2: on things, I think that was my biggest mistake is
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  Speaker 2: not getting into management earlier on. I think that was
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  Speaker 2: one of one of the big If I had to
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  Speaker 2: do it over again, I would I would seek management sooner.
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  Speaker 2: But I had a bit bit of an ego back
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  Speaker 2: then and I was running things and rock and roll.
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  Speaker 2: You do you do? Yeah? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You also say that your approach must be all or
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  Speaker 1: nothing if you have any chance of making it, and
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  Speaker 1: don't settle for the easy out like a good job offer.
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  Speaker 1: You gave up a great corporate job for life in showbiz.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us about that, Yeah, right out of high school. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: I'm Art de Leonardo, the bass player in Coffee Actually
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  Speaker 2: and Circus. He was a mechanical engineer. He worked for
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  Speaker 2: a company called Eastco Corporation, and he told me I
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  Speaker 2: was looking for a job. I just got out of
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  Speaker 2: high school. I think it was September. And he's like, wait,
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  Speaker 2: because they're looking for a layout draftsman.
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  Speaker 1: I go, what's that?
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  Speaker 2: I go, I failed mechanical drawing twice in high school,
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  Speaker 2: not once, but twice. He goes, don't worry about just
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  Speaker 2: just they're so they're so hard up for somebody. All
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  Speaker 2: you gotta do is fill out the application real neat,
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  Speaker 2: and I guarantee they'll hire you and I'll help you.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, So I fill out the
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  Speaker 2: application real slow and neat, and sure enough they hired
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  Speaker 2: me as a mechanical draftsman. Like where you have a
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  Speaker 2: big thing and you got blueprints and you gotta draw
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  Speaker 2: like squares and pictures of these metal gratings for like
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  Speaker 2: catwalks on submarines and stuff, and already would come down
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  Speaker 2: and he would like, actually do my work for me
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  Speaker 2: and taught me how to do it. Now. The funny
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  Speaker 2: thing was my mother was so proud of me. You know,
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  Speaker 2: my son's got a corporate job. This is great and
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  Speaker 2: it's in the book. Guard came up to me and
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  Speaker 2: he said, listen, I want to start a full original band.
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  Speaker 2: Full time. Everybody's going to quit their jobs. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to go on unemployment. We're gonna we're gonna just become
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  Speaker 2: a real rock band. And I was like, I'm it,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So I got my long story short. I
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  Speaker 2: got myself fired. I went on unemployment right now. My
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  Speaker 2: mother had no idea, either did my father. And I
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  Speaker 2: was living at home at the time, and I used
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  Speaker 2: to get dressed in my shirt and tie and every
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  Speaker 2: morning and I would walk out the door. My mother
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  Speaker 2: used to think I was going to work. And what
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  Speaker 2: I used to do is get in my car and
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  Speaker 2: go to rehearsal. And we just that happened like three
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  Speaker 2: months before she finally finished. She didn't want to break
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  Speaker 2: her art.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, she was, how.
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  Speaker 2: Did you get fired?
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  Speaker 1: What did your Yeah, you said it didn't take a while.
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  Speaker 1: It's like that you're thinking, man, you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: fire me.
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  Speaker 2: After I was, I was effing up as much work
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  Speaker 2: as I could possibly f up, and I got pulled
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  Speaker 2: into like my supervisor's office. His name was Ray, and
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  Speaker 2: he used to go, wait, okay, is everything wrong? Like
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  Speaker 2: they liked me, I guess a lot. So it was
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  Speaker 2: like it took him no kidd and I think I
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  Speaker 2: started trying to get fired in like September. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: get fired till like December, so it took a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Said we're going to have to let you go away,
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  Speaker 2: really sorry, but I'm like, yeah, I understand, and it's
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  Speaker 2: not you, it's me me. And then we went full
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  Speaker 2: time and it's all in the book. It's it was
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  Speaker 2: quite a fun ride. We rented this little garage thing,
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  Speaker 2: this piano guy, he was a piano teacher, and he
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  Speaker 2: had a little, uh like a like almost like a garage.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't a garage, it was almost like a shack
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  Speaker 2: in the back of his yard. And we rented that out.
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  Speaker 2: And it was funny because whenever he came to collect
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  Speaker 2: the rent, he'd walk in and all the guys in
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  Speaker 2: the band, you know, some of us would have it,
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  Speaker 2: some of us wouldn't our share. So I remember me
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  Speaker 2: and Guard used to go, I got my share, and
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  Speaker 2: he used to like put his head and I was saying, oh, guys,
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  Speaker 2: come on, you know, just get it all together and
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  Speaker 2: give me one. So we're like giving. He was a
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  Speaker 2: good guy, Ray and we were there for a good
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  Speaker 2: six months. We wrote a lot of there and that's
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  Speaker 2: what we got tight as an all original rock band
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  Speaker 2: back in the seventy nineties and seventy This is rock kids,
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  Speaker 2: that's rockets. Yeah, rock kids.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, this is where things really start to get interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about your meeting with Epic Records, dealing with rejection.
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  Speaker 1: That's the reality in the business, and you experienced it here.
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  Speaker 2: I fell off a lot of horses. Let's put it
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  Speaker 2: to you that way. You got to rub yourself off
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  Speaker 2: and get back on the horse. I mean back then,
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  Speaker 2: which is a totally different game than it is today.
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  Speaker 2: You had to get a record deal. There was for
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  Speaker 2: people that don't know out there, way back it was
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  Speaker 2: record companies that ran it. You know, very You did
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  Speaker 2: not have independent artists, very little. It was extremely rare.
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  Speaker 2: So you had to get a deal, what they call
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  Speaker 2: a record deal, from a record company. So we put
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  Speaker 2: together a demo tape. We were shopping in around and
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  Speaker 2: luckily we lived near New York and back in those days,
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  Speaker 2: I was calling up, calling up, calling up, and I
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  Speaker 2: got an actual couple of appointments where you could actually
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  Speaker 2: walk in. And we're thinking on the way to New
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  Speaker 2: York in Carwick gar and we're thinking this is it.
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  Speaker 2: We got a big break. We're going to Epic Records.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to listen to this tape. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: love us. We're gonna get a record deal. We were
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  Speaker 2: like all piped up. We're thinking. I was thinking, you know,
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  Speaker 2: thinking walking into this giant office. You know, all fantasy
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  Speaker 2: fantasized is like crazy. This guy's probably got an office
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  Speaker 2: over in the corner overlooking Manhattan. You know, he's gonna
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  Speaker 2: turn down the tape. He's gonna have champagne. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get the cigar, nig cigar. You are great. So we
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  Speaker 2: walk in the Epic Records and we go through these
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  Speaker 2: double doors and we're sitting in the reception area and
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  Speaker 2: then the girl whoever was goes, come on in, Diane,
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  Speaker 2: I'll see you. And we walked through this. We start
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  Speaker 2: going through this hallways, some real skinny hobby of boxes
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  Speaker 2: all over the place and like what the hext this?
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  Speaker 2: And walk in this little tiny office about the size
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  Speaker 2: of a closet with like a little desk and a
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  Speaker 2: tape recorder and no windows, and it was like this.
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  Speaker 2: This lady walks in, she sits down and she puts
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  Speaker 2: the tape in the back. Then to cassette, remember the
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  Speaker 2: cassette tapes, and don't know if everybody's old little tiny things.
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  Speaker 2: Turns her back to us like this, and she's listening
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  Speaker 2: to it, and then listens to like maybe five seconds
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  Speaker 2: twenty seconds of the first song, and she fast forwards
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  Speaker 2: into the next song, and then the next song and
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  Speaker 2: the next song. She turns around, pulls the tape a
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  Speaker 2: she goes, I don't hear any I don't hear a hit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't hear anything. And I was like, I was
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  Speaker 2: just like what just happened? Like like wait a minute, what?
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. It was like quick, it's just like boom,
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  Speaker 2: the bumbles popped and you're done, you know. And of
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  Speaker 2: course you know, you're walking out a place, and we
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  Speaker 2: were just effing her up and down like she what
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  Speaker 2: does she know? You know, our egoes back I mean, look,
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  Speaker 2: you have to have an ego, like you said, but
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  Speaker 2: back then when you're young like that and you're arrogant,
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  Speaker 2: and just like you know, what do you know? And
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  Speaker 2: it happened over and over and over again a lot.
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  Speaker 2: It's like getting punched. It's like being in a fight
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  Speaker 2: and you're getting punched and you're getting punched, and you're
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  Speaker 2: getting punched, and you got to you gotta counter, You
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  Speaker 2: gotta counter, You gotta counter. Most people don't. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: once they get hit, they go down and they don't
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  Speaker 2: get back up. And I don't know what the percentage is,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm sure it's a lot percentage of people that
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  Speaker 2: try to get there and drop out at the first
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  Speaker 2: sign of blood, you know. I mean, whereas you got
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  Speaker 2: to get a blood. You know, my buddy Dave used
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  Speaker 2: to say to me when you're getting a fight, there's
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  Speaker 2: one thing to remember. It's gonna hurt, you know, And
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  Speaker 2: you just got to keep that in the back of
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  Speaker 2: your mind. If you're going in, you're gonna get hit
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  Speaker 2: and it's gonna hurt.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But you keep getting back up and you end
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  Speaker 1: up developing a solid following. You open for Roger McGuinn.
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  Speaker 1: You played you got a CBGB shirt on right now.
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  Speaker 1: For this interview, you played CBGB's and great stories. This
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  Speaker 1: is where we get some great stories about your time
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  Speaker 1: at CBGB's. You saw some yet to be famous bands,
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  Speaker 1: Talking Heads, Blondie and the Ramones. You also opened for Aerosmith,
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  Speaker 1: but you say they really weren't on their game that night.
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  Speaker 2: When was this, I don't know the year, it must
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  Speaker 2: have been in the early eighties probably.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they were.
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  Speaker 2: They were heavily into drugs rough shape, Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was the drugs really. Now, that story about the
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  Speaker 2: Aerosmith was my brother Gary. He was there, like guy,
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  Speaker 2: so he was He's been into business as long as
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  Speaker 2: I have, and he's he's he's been with touring with
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  Speaker 2: Aerosmith and Gregy Han and Ian Hunter, so he's been around.
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  Speaker 2: But he was on tour with them and they were
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  Speaker 2: coming to New Jersey and the manager asked him if
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  Speaker 2: he knew any bands, and he said, yeah, my brother's
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  Speaker 2: got a band, and that's how we got the gig.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty cool. It was in a big place.
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  Speaker 2: It was called a Fountain Casino. It held about three
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  Speaker 2: thousand people. Place was totally sold out. It was packed.
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  Speaker 2: We had a great set. We went on and I
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  Speaker 2: was standing on the side of the stage watching these
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  Speaker 2: guys and at the time, honestly, they were pretty bad.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they were playing at a tune. He was
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  Speaker 2: singing off key, and you could just tell that they
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  Speaker 2: weren't on, you know, And I was looking at this
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  Speaker 2: is Aerosmith. I was thinking, as Alf, I'm better than him.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna make.
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  Speaker 3: It rock podcasts. We'll be back after this.
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  Speaker 2: I had going up with Leave Town.
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  Speaker 1: At cbgb is where the Ramones played, and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: who are these guys? And Blondie also Blondie Debbie Harry
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  Speaker 1: was cool with you guys, right.
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  Speaker 2: Debbie is very cool. The story at CBGB's was when
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  Speaker 2: the Rockets first started, we needed some gigs and New
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  Speaker 2: York was happening like that was the only place that
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  Speaker 2: was taking original music. New Jersey had a big club scene,
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  Speaker 2: but it was all copy. There was no original music
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  Speaker 2: in New Jersey, very very almost nowhere. So I went
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  Speaker 2: into Manhattan and I remember going during the day to
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  Speaker 2: a place called Cebegs. I can't remember why. I think
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  Speaker 2: I might have saw it in the Village Voice. Possibly,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was looking in the Village Voice at
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  Speaker 2: the time. They used to have all the clubs listed.
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  Speaker 2: And I went in and I met this guy at
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  Speaker 2: a beard Really he looked like a bum. His name
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  Speaker 2: was Hilly Crystal. He was the owner. And he's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I have audition night on Monday, if you guys want
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  Speaker 2: to come, come on Monday, So back I said, we
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  Speaker 2: got an audition. So we all packed our stuff in
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  Speaker 2: the little van. We had a little truck band. We
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  Speaker 2: went to CBGB's. We started putting our equipment up and
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  Speaker 2: we're like, what time we going on? He goes, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to go on like fourth You know, that night,
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  Speaker 2: everybody had an audition. Nobody had a record deal. I
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  Speaker 2: believe it was Us, the Ramones, the Talking Heads and
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  Speaker 2: it was Shirts to a band called Shirts, And it
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  Speaker 2: was funny because they these bands were going on. You
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  Speaker 2: know what, I might be wrong with that. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think the Ramones were. I think it was talking Heads,
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  Speaker 2: the Roones are the following week or the next Thursday. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't. It was the talking Heads, Blondie in the
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  Speaker 2: Shirts and us. But the talking Heads went on and
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  Speaker 2: we were looking at him laughing. They couldn't play their instruments.
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  Speaker 2: It's the weirdest dude I've ever seen playing. The bass
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  Speaker 2: player was playing like one note thy Yeah it was,
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  Speaker 2: and the music was weird. But there was all these
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  Speaker 2: people from New York, like the punk scene was happening there.
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  Speaker 2: We had no idea what the punk scene was. It was.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: It was just being born.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Your sound was more like Rolling Stoneseppelin.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: Yeh, like Queen versus We're rock, a real heavy rock
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: and roll kind of thing. Now. It was funny because
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: we got over with the crowds. We we did well
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: with their crafts. And then Blondie went on. She was
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: their little different, little straight, more straighter than the Talking Heads.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: And she came off stage or remember, and we had
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: a drink at the bar and she was really nice
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: to me and she was complimenting us, and I was
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: complimenting her. And then the following we got another gig
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: and it snowballed, and then one the week we played
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: with the Ramones. That was bizarre because all these punk
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: rockers came in and we had no idea what a
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: punk rocker was, and it was like, what's going on?
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: These people are coming with the shaved heads and the
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: black outfits and the purple this and that. I mean
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: way I'm talking nineteen seventy five. This is when it happened.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: And they went on like well do dray Bar and
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: they started playing. It was just like this wall of
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: freaking they had must have been turned up to twenty.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: I was like whoa, and it wasn't that good at
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: that time. It was a little off key, but it
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: was there was something about them that was just different
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: and bizarre. It was just to look at. And the
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: songs were two minutes long. It went like, we'll do
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: D four and it was the next song and we'll
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: do three four and it was like, you know, Joey
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: was up there going like this, and they acted real
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: tough and everything, and I remember that in the book
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Gar we were kind of laughing at him, yet we
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: were awe struck because we didn't know what we were
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: looking at. And I remember Gar said to me, you
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: think they're tough, watch this, And we were staying at
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: the bar. I never forget this, and Joey Ramon was
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: walking at Joey's a tall, real tall. He's like six'
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: three or. Something he's real. Lanky he looks Like Howard.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Stern with long. Hair that was the thing they used
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: to joke about that they both looked like they were. Brothers.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Yep So gar goes watch this And joey starts. Walking
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: he was kind of kind of a dick move On gar's.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Part but you, know LIKE i, said back, then we
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: were just a little, tough kind of, Guys jersey, guys
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: you know how you. Doing So gar puts his arm
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: on the pole So joey couldn't go buy, him And
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: joey just stopped and looked down and just like turned
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: around and went around, him and he, goes see he's
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: not so. Tough, Yeah AND i was, like, oh, okay
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: it's all a, facade you, know maybe not with all of,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: them but With.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Joey joey was a really, quiet reserved. Guy he was
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: he was a. Character the whole, band they were all.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Characters, man looking, back it was like being in a
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: dream because because that whole scene TO cbgb scene was
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: just it's hard to. Explain it was real. BIZARRE i,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: mean everybody the place is always, packed and we were
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: always going on like four o'clock in the. Morning you.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Know one time we went on there was like one
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: person left in the. Room oh, yeah we going on
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: like three forty five or, something and it was like
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: two people left our First thursday, NIGHT i think it.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Was But Hilly crystal was a real cool guy because
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: he would stay there till the very end and he
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: would listen to he's the music guy and he would
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: listen to. Us he's, like waitse you guys are good
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: BECAUSE i want you back. Again and then he even
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: hooked us up With Maxis Kansas city, guy and so
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: he hooked u up with a lot of clubs In
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: manhattan that we ended up playing.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: With those are the big Clubs. Max's Those, yeah those
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Are springsteen played In. Max's oh, yeah. Yeah there was
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: a movie ON cbgb on there Was, yeah that was
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: a good.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Movie if you look at the end of the, movie
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: they showed the wall with all the bands stickers on,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: it you'll see rock kids on. There. Seriously oh, man that's. Cool, yeah, yeah.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah if you look at the, movie, yeah we were
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: we were, regular so we We there was an article
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: In variety magazine about the New bowerie. Boomers they called
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: it and The, ramones the Talking, heads The, shirts and rock.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Kids we were in. There but the bizarrest part about
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: the whole trip was everybody got a record deal with.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Us we were the only band that never got signed
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: out of all those.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Bands that's the strange, thing you, Know and you write
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: in the, book talent doesn't equal. Fame being famous doesn't
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: mean you're, talented.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Right if you're talented doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Famous and if you're, famous doesn't this don't mean you're that.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Talented it's like right place every. Time just all these
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: things have to. Happen it's the call of the. Universe
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: it really. Is the funniest, part, too is going to
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: the second version Of Rock, kids where we started playing
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: copy songs two years, later like round nineteen seventy, nine nineteen.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Eighty we were doing the club, scene like six nights a.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Week we had a big.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Audience we were we were Following, yeah, big following.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Huge we were one of the bigger bands in The
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: tri state. Area but we would be on stage and
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: guess what songs we'll be doing twenty twenty twenty four
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: hours to go, yeah And i'll be. GONE i can't
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Believe i'm singing. This oh that's. Hilarious.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: God you mentioned you played In New jersey And. Connecticut
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: i'm In. Connecticut where did you play In? Connecticut what
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: were the clubs we?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Played and? PLACED a couple of. Clubs we played a
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: place called The Red house was In, Waterbury. Connecticut oh.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Yes we played a place called The Brave Bull cafe In.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Hartford that was a huge. ROOM i had a couple
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: thousand people. There. Rochester we were real big In. Rochester.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Buffalo we played some gigs In, buffalo and then we
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: played The East. Coast we went down, well you, know
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: played The East, coast but we went down To florida
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: a bunch of times for spring. Break there's a guy
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: by the name Of Art. Stock he was a club.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Owner he owned clubs all around down To, Florida New.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Jersey big, CLUBS i mean they. Were his clubs were
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: called The playpen and they held a couple thousand people
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: and he would have a disco on one, side in
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: a rock room on. Another our, Agent Sammy, boyd was
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: hooked up with, him so we did a lot of his.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Clubs he did down in a Wild, Wood New. Jersey
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: he had a huge. Club he had a huge two
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: clubs In Fort. Lauderdale and let me tell you going
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: To Fort lauderdale in spring break in nineteen eighty one
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: eighty two with no holes barred like it was. CRAZY i,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: mean we played six nights a, week four sets a,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: night and we were just party till the sun come
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: up and do it oh. Again girls six weeks in a.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Row girls, next drugs and rock and.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Roll, Well Thank.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: God you couldn't die from anything back.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Then, yet you, know, yeah those were crazy days as
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: far as are you able to make a living off
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: of at this point, now when you're playing four to
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: seven nights a, week are you able to make a decent?
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Living made a good living back in those, days we
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: were pulling IN i. GUESS i want to, say sometimes
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: he got fifteen hundred a. Night sometimes he got twenty
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: five hundred a. Night we had to pay. Everybody but
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: when it all smoked, clear you're paying six nights a.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Week you're making six to one hundred and two one
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars a week back. Then and then you have
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: a shot With Warner. Brothers but that falls through due
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: to some of the trail within the. Band, yeah that
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: was what. Happened that was PRETTY i got us what
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: they call a speck deal at a place called The
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: house Of music In West. Orange they did it was
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: a big studio at the. Time they Did cool The,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: gang they Did diodado. Nectar Meat loaf was mixed. There
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: bat at A.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Hell, yeah there's a story of the book about. That,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: right he's playing the pinball.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Machine, YEAH i MEAN i met MEAT i didn't know
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: who it. Was that was pretty. Funny so Now Stephan
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: galafis was my producer he used to work For Warner,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: brothers And Jim bonifant was my, engineer and we did
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: a demo with Rock, hids AND i think we did
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: like an eight song demo. There they shopped it To Warner,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: brothers And Warner brothers liked the demo when they wanted
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: to give us what they call a first right to,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: refusal where they pay for the rest of the demo
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: to do like an album's worth of the, material and
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: then when it's, done they get the first right of
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: the songs to take, you and then if they don't want,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: it they can reject, you and then you move forward like.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: That but what happened was the two guitar players at
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the time didn't like the drummer in the band all, Right.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Jeff they thought he wasn't good. Enough they thought he
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: could be replaced to be. Better so they had a
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: guy that they were trying to get in the band
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: for a long, time and they went behind my back
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: and talked about the, drummer and then within the talk
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: of the, drummer the one guitar player, said AND i
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: think we have some better songs than What wayne's been
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: what we got With. Wayne SO i get a call
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: From stephen and he goes the deals off With Warner.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Bros they, go why he, Goes your band's. Unstable they
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: don't want to put the money. In and then he
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: told me what, happened and it was just, like you
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: want to just kill? Somebody, yeah, dude, yeah more than a.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Read it was. Devastating but you, know at the, TIME
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: i needed those guys in the. Band it was they
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: were really really talented, players you, know and they were telling,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: me oh, no it wasn't. That we just thought MAYBE
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: i had a couple better. Songs SO i wasn't trying
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: to do you. Know they were making excuses back for.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: It BUT i knew right then and there that the
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: trust that was. OVER i kind of knew that it,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: was you, know the signing was on the.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Wall you.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah that was just one of the devastating things that.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Happened booked on. Podcasts we'll be back after. This, look
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: we're gonna take a what a?
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Call you get your? Song she's a cartoon played on
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: any W A New York that's a big. DEAL Dj
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Jim carrey played it huge. Exposure Deborah harry happened to
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: be in the studio and mentioned that she knew you.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Guys so this is around eighty eighty.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: One you did read the. BOOK i read the.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Book, yeah this is Around, YEAH i loved.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: It this around eighty or eighty.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: One but Eventually rockets come to an. End when was?
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: That why did you decide to end the? Band and,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: oh things like that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Happened just ran that. HORSE i kind of went when
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: his course and then those guys quit AND i tried to.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Regroup and remember it was our living at the time,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: too so you, know we weren't working so working jobs
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: we had that was our. Job so when people dropped,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: out you just wanted to replace them and keep. Working
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: because we had an agency that book, us and we
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: were booked like six nights a, week you, know five
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: to six nights a. Week SO i had to keep
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the band going just to make money on top of,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: that just to, survive you. Know so we replaced a
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: lot of, people and as as you replaced, people you
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: kind of lose a little this, here a little of that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: There sometimes you look out and you bring somebody in
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: that's better than the guy that you that was there before.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Him but the band that was really the tightest band
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: was the one that With todd And, bruce the guys
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: who went behind my. Back that band was super, hot super.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Great so from that point on it kind of went
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: a little downhill like, this and then eventually the fire
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: was gone for. Me the fire was, gone and then
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: the gigs were coming in like they should. Be went
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: down like three nights a week and you, know try
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: to survive on three nights a week versus six nights a.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Week and then it just kind of fizzled. Out there
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: was no specific incident that stopped the. Band it just
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: kind of just, slowly slowly died sad.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Death then you get some exposure On Howard. Stern how
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: did that come? About this is nineteen eighty. Six talk about.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: That. Well the funny part, WAS i moved from my
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: parents' house To Asbury park in nineteen eighty. ONE i
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: think it was in summer of eighty. One it was
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: my girlfriend at the. Time we went to The Asbury.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Hotel is this real dumpy, hotel no air. Conditioning it
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: was a one room walk, up you, know and she
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: was bartending at The Stone Pony, rockets was just ending
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: we were still playing some gigs AND i was listening
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: To Howard stern And Howard stern was ON nbc On
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: New York, radio and he was moving to K, rock
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: which is AN fm, station and they were having a,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: contest a song parody contest because one of the sticks was,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: parodies song. Parodies SO i remember the bass player at the, Time,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: oh that's, Right Oliver's twist was just. Starting, yeah that's the.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: New, Band Oliver's Twist TWIST.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Yep and that Was Brian hadley from the last sequence
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: of Rock hids was the guitar. Player And brian came
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: over and he talked me into, saying let's just do all.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Originals SO i was, Like i'm into. That so we
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: started writing. Songs but The Howard stern thing WAS i
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: went to the studio AND i got the, song The
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Gilligan's island theme, song AND i had it on tape
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: and a friend of mine was in a. Studio he
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: had a studio down, there and he took the words.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Out they had the machine that did, that and then
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: we added a guitar and we added a bass AND
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: i changed the words to sit right here and you'll
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: hear A taye TRY i win a trip and started
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: back a year, ago And howard ran a. Ship nate
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: was robbing quivers And Fred norris may damp sure that
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: every skit they did on their would help their rating,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: sore just helped their rating. Sore the ratings started going,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: up AND nbc was. Lost they didn't get the humor
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Of Howard. Show and so you, know if you're a little, lost,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: yes feel the. Losses howard signed a better deal on
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the k rockle but that and it went on and on.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: On get a phone call out of like five thousand,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: ENTRIES i get a phone call in it early in the.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Morning wait a, minute was it From Baba? Buie it
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: was From.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Howard, Wow howard called you on the.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Air he called me on the. Air he calls and
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the phone. Rings it's like seven o'clock and wing where
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: he was on real early in the morning back then
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: drive time and he, goes, hello is trying to make
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: himself sound like a girl or. Something he, goes this
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: is the phone. Company there's a problem with your. PHONE i,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: go WHAT i was. SLEEPING i was like what you,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: said take the phone and like bang it over your
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: head a few. Times maybe that'll work and it's something
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: stupid like, that AND i was, like, yeah he had
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: that different style of humor back. Then. Yeah, yeah he
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: was the real kind of slapstick right, right a verbal,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: slapstick you, know verbally. Sticking so then he's like, you he,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Goes you're going To, london you. IDIOT i was, like,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: really we won the freaking. Contest that's. Crazy so we
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: went To london for a whole week with The Howard Stern.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Show pictures in the. Book oh, yeah all the whole
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: things are in the. Book. Yeah, yeah it was. Fun
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: it Was it was really.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Great and you say something that it's Very i've heard
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: this before About howard different guy off the air than
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: on the.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Air, yeah he's very introverted off the air and when
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: he gets in front of the mike it turns Into Howard.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Stern but off the air is very. SHY i guess
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: you could say shy and, introverted, quiet the soft, spoken you.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Know but we, did we. Did there was one, NIGHT
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: i think it's in the book, too where we WERE
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: i was in the audience FOR i was with the
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: show for five days AND i was sitting in the.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Audience there WAS i think there was ten, winners so
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: it was like twenty of us or. Something so they
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: used to put us in front of. Him and one
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: of the guests Was Dee schneider From Twist's. Sister this
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: is in the book. Too and he comes out because
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: we used to open up For dal all the, Time
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: me and do you know each? Other and he, goes
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: is That wayne from The Rock? Kids and HOW i was,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: like you know that? Guy you, know you get up.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Here and he made me come up and it was
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: great BECAUSE i got, air you, know he got on the.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Air that was that was trick to get on, air you.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Know and then that night we went. Out it was
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: me And Dee, Schneider howard and a couple other. Winners
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: they were musicians And Fred. Norris he played. Guitar fred
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: was a good. Guitar people didn't know he's From.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Connecticut from he IS i Think, Newington, newington some are
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: some are In.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Connecticut, yeah, YEAH i remember he's From. Connecticut BUT i had.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: A friend from my old radio days who went To
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Western at the, time it was Called Western Connecticut State.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: College it's now a, university but he was at the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: radio station, there and so Was. Fred fred was the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: first guy among the college radio station guys that had
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: an actual, gig and he was working In hartford FOR.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Wccc he was doing overnights weekends and he came in
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: on A monday morning and they're, like, Hey, fred you
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: know how to call this. Weekend he's, like, yeah it's.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Good they got some new morning show guy. There he's
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: like total fucking goof real tall dude with you Goofy
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and it Was Howard. Howard he, said he was, like
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: guy's so, annoying no, Kidding, yeah he's still with him
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: to this.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Day is still to this.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Day, Yeah i'm SORRY i had to sneak that. Story
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: well that's. Cool where were We, so, yeah you went
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: To london's a good.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Guy so me And howard and d after the, Show
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: howard goes, listening we're going because they used to take
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: you out to dinner. Afterwards so we'd all like go
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: to a pub or. Something and we were going through
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: a place that had at a stage and it had
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: equipment and they rigged it, up Or fred, did so
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: we could go on stage and do a couple of.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Songs it was Me, FRED i forget the kid's. Name
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: he was playing the, bass and there was a drummer
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: And Dee schneider And. Howard we're all on stage and
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: we're Doing Bully bully or something like, that one of those.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Songs and we're on stage having a good, time and
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: all of a, sudden a beer bottle comes flying from
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: the back room and almost hits D it turns out
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: there was a band Called zzy Spot. Nick they were
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: a punk, band and they were swearing at us and
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: telling us to go f ourselves and go back To
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: america and on his. Crap so literally literally a ballroom
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: fight breaks. Out Dach stutter jumps off the stage and
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: grabs when the kids and punches them in the. Face
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: all of a, Sudden Beard boss and we're and We're
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: me And. Howard believe it or, NOT i don't know
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: how it, happened but we ended up hiding behind one
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: of the, amplifiers, like what's going on the next, Day
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: howard's going to me.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Away we're pussies who were Sitting he's beating the.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Ship you guys are allowed to say.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: This, Sorry, yeah it.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Was it was.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Hilarious it was it was looking, back it was a
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: lot of, fun but it was. Scary but it was
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that's what. Happened it's a wild.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Experience.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Man you got stories to, tell and many of, them
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: and they're in this.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: BOOK i would tell these. Stories you gotta write a.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Book you gotta write a. Book So i'm, like it
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: took me a, while but, yeah on and. Off it's not.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Easy booked On Rock podcasts will be back after. This
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: we were not.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Identification this is. Nuts. Wow Wayne olavaria is our.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Guest the book is Titled The Undiscovered, SHOWMAN A True
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: story of Being almost famu. Miss, yeah it did take
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a long. Time you talked about you started it stopped
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: for a good four five years or even.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: More, yeah you started like the early two, thousands two
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: thousand and. FOUR i THINK i started it, right and
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: THEN i kind of on and. OFF i don't know what.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Happened you, know life in, general just you put it,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: aside and then you get back to it and you
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: put his side and get back To my Friend george
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: said to me one, time he, said you, know when
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: you could write a, Book if you can write one
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: page a, day you can get a book done in six,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: months you, know or even. LESS i, mean it depends
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: how many pages you want to write about and SO
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: i tried. That it's, like you, KNOW i went. Down
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: i'll never forget the first. Page i'm, Like i'm double
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: space and you, know is it a page?
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yet. Yeah it's like working out every.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Day, YEAH i could do.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: That after a. Week it's like getting to the, gym you,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: know like eat carrots every. Day, SURE i could do. That,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: yeah it's, true it's.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: True but you got it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Done.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Man in chapter eight Titled My Friend, john you have
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: been friends With john Bon jovi's so far back that
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you were there alongside his career, rise tell us when
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: you first met, him what your relationship has been with
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: him over the. Years his first gig opening for your, Band,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: yeah the first official gig for Bon jovi was opening
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: for my band The.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Rockets that was the Bon jovi lineup With tico With,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: alex With richie And john And dave those. Guys BUT
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: i Met. John my girlfriend at the time was bartending
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: at a place called the Fast lane and the Fast
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Lane Asbury park back in nineteen eighty, one eighty, two
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: well actually before, that BEFORE i got, there but it
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: was it was The hub In New. Jersey it was
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: the music. Hub it was, like you, know it was
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a dumpy. Town it wasn't a great, town but there
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: was A Stone, pony there was the Fast. Lane there
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: was a couple of different, clubs like three or four different.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: CLUBS i remember a drinking age was still eighteen at the.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Time it was just turning back to twenty one WHEN
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: i Met. John, anyway she worked as a bartender at
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: this place called The fastling Every, sunday and there was
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: a band playing Called john Bon jovi and The Wild
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: ones Every. Sunday SO i would go about ten o'clock
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: or ten thirty AND i would get there AND i
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: would sit at a, bar And i'd wait for her
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: to get done and we would go. Home that was the.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Plan but at that time it was a summer of
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: eighty it might have been eighty. Two Bruce springsteen used
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: to show up at The Stone pony every Single sunday
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: and jam with this band Called cat's on A Smooth.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Surface SO i was at the fastlinge which is four
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: blocks from The Stone Pony john Bon jovi no While
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: ones are. PLAYING i had no idea who he was
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the first TIME i went, there when he came off
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: for a, break he came over to me and he goes, oh,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: MAN i saw it open For. Airsmith you guys are.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Great he was like basically kissing up to, me like
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: back then because he was, like oh my, god wage
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: for The. Rockets it's, like you, Know john six years
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: younger than, me so you, know he was younger and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: he was the up to, us and he knew WHO i,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: was and we had a reputation at the. Time blah
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: blah blah. Blah but, anyway the story Is Bruce springsteen
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: would show at The pony every Single, sunday and as
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: soon as he, did it was like somebody held fire
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: and the whole place would just empty out and everybody
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: to run down to The Stone. Pony so there would
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Be john's band playing to absolutely nobody but the bartender
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: and the, manager and then the manager would just eventually
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: say just call it a. Night so we would always Every,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: sunday almost like. Clockwork we would get done around eleven
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: eleven thirty And bruce would be on stage at The,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: pony maybe at, midnight and we'd all walk down to
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: The Stone pony and Watch Bruce springsteen Every sunday together
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: and that's something And john we got we became fast.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Friends there was something about, him though looking back, now
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: there was something about him THAT i don't know what
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: made me connect with him or what made him connect with,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: me but we had we made fast friends back, then
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: and from that moment. On he eventually he was working
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: at his cousin's recording studio and got a record, deal
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and he, would, Hey, WAYNE i got a record. Deal
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: what DO i? Do he was always asking me questions
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: on what to do and how to do this and
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: what SHOULD i? Do AND i would tell him for
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the best of my, knowledge you, Know and it got
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: to the point where he was actually they went out
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: on the first tour AND i remember their equipment got.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Stolen he called me, Up he's, like, well what SHOULD i?
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Do need some? Help SO i hooked him up with
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: this Guy laurie if your, music and they got him all.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Equipment and then when he needed to rehearsal studio In Asbury,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: park he wanted to move To asbury SO i got
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: him an apartment down In Bradday beach near, me AND
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: i was like HIS i, guess like his right hand man. Almost,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: yeah it kind of A i don't know WHETHER i
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: was mentoring him at the, time and then it kind
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: of got reversed as he got up the, ladder as
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: he got to be. Famous it kind of got totally
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: flipped one pint. Eighty, yeah FIRST i was mentoring, him
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: and then by the end of the, relationship it was
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: just like there are parts of. THAT i was, like
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: he was mentoring me sort of because he was on
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: the jet AND i was going with.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Him, YEAH i was gonna ask you a story about the.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Jet but that demo you're referring to, that that's the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: one where he Has runaway is on that, one And
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: runaway doesn't have Alt ritchie or or all those.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: GUYS i think it Was Jack. Ponty Jack ponty was
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: one of the. Guys he simply passed away. Recently he
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: was a guitar. PLAYER i Believe john was on. THAT
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: i don't know who else was on, it but you're,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: right it wasn't that. Band but they put that mix
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: of that song on that album on the first, album
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and they released it as a, Single.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: And then they had the first, Album, fahrenheit.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: And then the third one was was the third one?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Slippery that was the big. One, yeah that was the
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: one that would put him like into the into the.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Galaxy oh, yeah and you wrote in Bon Jovi's jet
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and there's a story where you walk you see him
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: walking back behind a.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Curtain, yeah, yeah what do you see?
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: There?
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah well he called me one night and he's, like hey,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: man he, goes we're going To. Boston you want to.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Go i'm, like, YEAH i got nothing to. Do, so you,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: know the limo pulls. Up you had a limo at the.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Time he's spending his. Money he was already pretty fa
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: real famous at the, time and. Uh we went to
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: a lair airport and there it Was Bungo. Jet SO
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: i was, like, wow that's pretty. Cool so we went
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: under jet and we flew To. Boston it did the,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: show which was a whole nother story about how they
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: used to have to have three different limousines because there
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: was so. Many they were like The. Beatles we landed
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: this in a. Book, also we landed in an airport
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: In boston and there had to have been three to
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: five hundred kids with signs like, screaming just like The.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: BEATLES i, mean it was like being with The. Beatles
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: it was. Bizarre it was like this is what it's,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: like you, Know and half of me was loving and
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the other half of me was wishing it was, me you, know, Sure,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: YEAH i mean it's kind of like you get torn
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: apart from this way that, way BUT i, THINK i,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: MEAN i was. There it was your. Dream but they
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: would have fake limousines after the show because kids would
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: get in their car and try to chase the limousines
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: and it would be dangerous because they'd be hanging outside
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: trying to bang on the limo while they were driving and.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Stuff so we get back to the plane and it takes,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: off And i'm playing cards With ritchie And, tico and it's,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: like Where's. John he's in the. Back so now the
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: plane was thinking WAS g. Five you could. Walk it
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: was tall enough we could, walk but it wasn't real
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: wide and it was real. Long but there was a
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: curtain AND i pulled the curtain back and There's john
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: sitting next to the ROAD i forget his. Name he's
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: a road. Manager and there was a snow. Light there
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: was a stack of cash right like you could hardly
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: see his face out, here and he looks over to.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Cash he goes another, gig another eighty thousand dollars IN
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: t shirt. Sales Bro he was a. Businessman from the,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: jump you know WHAT i, Mean LIKE i always got that. Sense, yeah,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: YEAH i mean that's one thing THAT i WISH i
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: was more like. HIM i, mean he was in astute.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: BUSINESS i don't know where he got it, from but
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: he was a no nonsense business.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Guy he wasn't using the drugs a, lot, Right he
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: drank not at.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: All, yep never touched drug THAT i, knew.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: RIGHT i, mean he'd have some beers and he'd you,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: know of course he'd have a good, time but he. Wasn't,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: again didn't seem like the type of guy that would
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: have gotten caught up in that life to where it
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: would destroy his.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Career he was too. Focused he was too. Focused he
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: was a very extremely focused. Guy and give credit where credits.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Due he was very focused and got himself where he,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: got you. Know BUT i, mean look At doc McGee
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: had a lot to do with it, too the. Management
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: but he was smart enough to get, management you, know
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: and pick the management he. Wanted and that's kind of
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: where it. Was you. Know there was a lot of
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: twists and turns to his career that was interesting looking.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Back you, know WHERE i used to be very tight
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: with those. GUYS i was in the inner circle for
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: fifteen years something like. That long.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Time when was it when you helped to get him
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: to gym on stage With bruce for the first? Time
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: a moment in rock and roll. History, yeah, yeah this
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: IS i think When manjovi's pretty famous, already the three.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Biggest groups in the world was Bon, Jovi Michael, jackson
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: And Bruce. Springsteen that was back when he was doing
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: The born in THE usa. Tour john's dream was to
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: play With Bruce. Springsteen he was A Bruce springsteen fan
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: from when he was a little, kid you, know younger
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: all the way. Up SO i was sitting home AND
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: i got a phone call And john. KNEW i knew
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: the owner of The Stone pony because my girlfriend was
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: a bartender there AND i was part of The Stone
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: pony baseball. TEAM i was part of the whole inner
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: circle of The Stone pony, Also And john calls. Me he's, like, hey,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: man because cat's on a smooth. Surface once, again the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: same band that was playing when he was not. Famous
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: they were still there on A. Sunday all those years,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: later they were still there on A, sunday And bruce
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: would still come and play with. Him so he's, LIKE
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: i Heard bruce is gonna be. There can you you
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: think you can hook me up and get me on
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: stage with? HIM i, said all, right let me let me.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Call SO i call Up, butcher the owner of The,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: pony AND i told him what's going, on and he's, like, yeah,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: sure that'd be great for the club having both those guys,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: here that'd be. Great you. Know bring them into the side,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: door which is right next to the. Stage i'll have
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: bamby with the guy's name is he was a, bouncer
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Because i'll have him open the door for. You So
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: john comes over With dorothy end the. Jeep we hop
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: in and we go over To Stone poonty With parker
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: walk in banging the. Door they let us. In we're
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: standing at the side of the stage or. Playing bruce's up.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: There the crowd's going crazy and he ends the court
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: boom like. That he ends AND i, Go, john go,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: up go. UP i GRAB i kind of pushed his ass.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: UP i went like this again on my. Stage he
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: jumps on the stage And bruce, goes thank you a good.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Night he goes like, that turns, around walks right By.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: John the rest of the band walks right. By john
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: didn't even notice he was, there And john's like a
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: deer in a? Headlight so what what just? HAPPENED i,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: go get, Down get, down get, down pull him. Down
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: we Followed bruce to the back room AND i went
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: into the office Where bruce And butcher, were AND i,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Said john Bon jovi's, outside And bruce knew who he
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: was but never met, him but knew of. Him AND i,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: said he was a real big. Fan he wanted to
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: maybe play a tune with. You you think he can
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: go back up IF i get cats to go back.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Up And bruce was, LIKE i Think Max weinberg was
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: there playing, drums AND i Think clarence is playing with him.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Too AND i was in the. Office john was outside
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: of the office AND I bruce, goes, yeah, okay And
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: butch the owner looked at his watching because you've got
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: some time if you want to do, It SO i,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: said let me ask the. Band SO i went in
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the BACK i asked the. BAND i Introduced john To.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Bruce they walked back through the crowd crowd way absolutely.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Insane it was, like you, know crazy because they finally
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: knew That john was there, too and they hopped on
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: stage and then one of the guys From cats just
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: went like, this AND i went all, Right SO i
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: hopped on stage. Two so it Was Bruce, Bringsteen John
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: bunjeman and made the three lead singers in the. FRONT
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: i don't even know a song we. DID i can't even.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Remember i've been, trying like, hell it might have been
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: really it might have Been Sweet Home chicago Or Kansas,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: city one of those. TWO i. Think is that where
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: you played? Harmonica? YEAH i, played not not that that,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: night BUT i do play harmonic on that. Song. Yeah
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: how'd you?
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Know BECAUSE i remember there was something in the book
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: ABOUT i thought maybe that was the night that you were.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Playing, no that's another funny.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Story, YEAH i know a lot of About john's difficulty.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Playing, yeah well he put. It he put actually what
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: he did was harmonica is goes from low to, high
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: like if it's a low notes and it goes high
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: notes over. Here what he did was and he was
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: on stage With arisimath and he put it in, backwards
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: so when he went to play the, riff it wasn't
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: anywhere to be.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Found Steven tyler after the show, Goes so you're the
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: guy who, Talked.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: You're the guy taught him how to. PLAY i was,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Like i'm out of. HERE i don't know what you're talking.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: About that's a great. Night where was that? Again was
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: that that was at the Meadow. Lands that was about
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: twenty thousand. People, yeah that was the Midal. Lands john calls.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Me he's, Like i'm Doing Eric smith wants to be
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: on for an. Encore they're playing him down by The.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Beatles he, goes can you show me a riff on the?
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Harp SO i went over his house in the. Afternoon
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: we worked on anything for like two, hours just it's
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: just a little tiny. Riff it, was, yeah but he
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and he learned. It john's he's real good to learning.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Stuff and he learned. It but LIKE i, SAID i
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: guess he didn't realize that he put it in backwards
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: and when he went to do the, riff where the
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: hole was where you're supposed to be a bee was
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: an a flat you. Know, Yeah so when he, started
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: like what AND i just, Listened i'm, like oh, man
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: this is not. Good but they. Didn't the crowd didn't.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Care they were going crazy. Anyway but The Pony, knight
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: there's a picture to this, day there's a picture on the.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Walls some pointy of me And john on stage that.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Night that's When bruce is cut out of the. Picture
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: ley is on the. Side so that was my moment
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: with rock and roll. History you, know, sure cool rock.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Podcasts we'll be back after.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: This the future is No.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: And you played football With john Bon jovi And Sebastian
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: bach of Skid.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Row oh, yeah things got.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: EAT i love these.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Stories the thing, IS i was at dinner one night
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: and me and they're at the End john were eating.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: DINNER i did that a. LOT i went over there
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: a lot and had dinner and. Stuff And john's Friend Dave,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: sabo they call Him Snake.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Man he was the Snake Dave. Snake he was still
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: the guitarist of Skid.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Row. Correct, yeah so Skid row at the, time Skid
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: row was just in their mother's. GARAGE i mean they
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: were not playing at it. Anywhere they were literally a garage.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Band And john wanted to take him on a world
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: tour because they were really good friends in my. School
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: you want to do them a, solid, Right so they
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: needed a. Singer So we're hearing dinner And i'm going, like, uh,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Hello i'm right. Here you, know he, goes, nah when you,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: know it's not your. Band you're more like A Mick.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Jagger they need somebody like. Different and he was. Right
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: he was. Right so he GOT i don't know how
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: he got, him but he got From. Canada he's From,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Canada Sebastian. Bach and he, said now preface, this Every
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: sunday When john was, home we would have a touch football.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Game john loved to play, football and we'd have a
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: touch football game and all the guys from some of
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: the guys from my band and some of the guys
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: from his, band and just local musicians like cats on
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: a smooth surface and. Stuff we would have a pretty
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: big size football, game maybe like you, know eight guys
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: on the team and, stuff and we would. Play we
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: would play. Touch So Box Sebastian bach comes flying in From,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: canaday staying At john's, house AND i. WAS i stayed
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: there over night, too before The saturday. Game and so
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: we go on the field And box on the other,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: side And i'm on the other side And i'm going
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: out for a. Pass he kept holding, me you, know
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: like it's, like, dude you can't. Hold it's like maybe
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: In canadian, football In american football that he can't, hold you,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: know at to him like five six, times you, know
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: and then one thing he grabbed me THAT i JUST
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: i lost. IT i grabbed. HIM i just he can't
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: hold it, problem. Dude he came at me with a
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: right and it didn't hit. ME i, docked you, know
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: THEN i grabbed. It next, thing you, know he got pulled.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Apart you, know we never got. Along, wow his brother's
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: his brother WASN'T nhl?
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Goalie?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, yeah that's. Hilarious there's some other STUFF i
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: want to ask you about Post john Bon. Jovi but
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the last time he talked to him was like mid, nineties,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: right and then all of a sudden he tried getting
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: ahold of. Them number.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Changed what the hell? Happened still don't, Know still don't.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Know oh, well it's very. Bizarre When john was going
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: to stop communicating with, someone he would normally just change
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: his phone. Number and it happened very, often like if
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: somebody that he knew was being was being too much
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: of A john helped me or can he help? Me
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: or can he do? This and just got to be a,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: pain he would just like change his phone, number AND
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: i would always get a call from Either dorothea him
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: or the office with the new, number AND i think
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: the last TIME i actually saw him was At dorothea's father's.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Funeral dorothea's's, Wife, yes, yeah, yeah girlfriend and wife all through,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: that and then he got married and after the funeral
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: number got. CHANGED i didn't think anything of, it you,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: KNOW i just figured, Out, okay i'll wait a couple of,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Days i'll get a phone. Call. NOTHING i call the.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Office they wouldn't give it to. ME i lost contact with,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: him AND i tried TO i tried to get through
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: to him through the road cruise because the road crew
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: knew me and my. Brother my Brother gary was the road,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: guy so we kind of knew each other through, that
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: AND i tried to get to him through, that and
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: even to this, DAY i ran Into David brian about
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: a year ago AND i, said what? Happened he, goes he, goes,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: MAN i don't, know he. Goes ALL i know IS
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: i play my, GIG i checked my check AND i go.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Home nobody nobody's releasing the reason my girlfriend thinks that she.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Does did you have sex With? Northea is that what it?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Is i'm, like, NO i never did you?
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Know but that's a rumor you heard. Right it was
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: a rumor that was going. Around my brother heard it
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: through one of the road guys that Maybe john might
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: have thought, That but that never. Happened we were more
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: like brothers. Sister but, ye who. Knows maybe they got an.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Argument John, Well john got caught a couple of times
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: by his, wife and it's been it's been, public you,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Know so maybe they got into an. Argument maybe she
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: yelled atm. Something she, SAID i don't know who to,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: SAY i don't know. WHO i don't. Know maybe you'll
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: see him. Again, yeah, YEAH i should drop a copy
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: of the book in your. Mailbox, right.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: You almost became a singer of Fog HAT i. Did
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: that was, Great that was funeteen.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Ninety, yeah nineteen. Ninety they broke up and they were
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: looking for. SINGER i didn't know there's a Fog. HAT
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: i was. READING i was looking for a, gig AND
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: i SAW i was Reading The Village voice again in
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: the back it was a classified ad for a. SINGER
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: i went. UP i drove up to it was like
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: In New york and ADD aroundeckx in the middle of the.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Woods this guy comes to the. DOOR i didn't know
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: who he. Was older got hold of. Me he, was you,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: know comes to the door and he's, like, hey, hey
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: DOING i got a. Band you, know we're gonna be
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: going on a tour we're looking At and then it
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: took me a while and then he finally said who he,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: was AND i get because he was, like he's, like
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: if you sing the, song he's, like going to the.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: CITY i, go wait a, minute you can say. Yah
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: so eventually what happened was the singer quit AND i
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: believe the one guitar player left and the bass player
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: and the drummer who owned the rights to the.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Band, YEAH i think he still has that band.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Going, yeah so he was he had a tour lined
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: up to go out with him and the bass player
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: AND i don't know who was playing. Guitar but, ANYWAY i,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: AUDITIONED i got the. Job they said you got. IT
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: i rehearsed with them for a whole. Week and then
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: about a week, later after two weeks of Like i'm
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: in fog, at can you believe? This this is? Great you,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: know they call Me. Mike he, goes, Hey wayne'm, Sorry,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: mite we got the band back. Together we're all, okay
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: and we won't thank you for a, service but we're
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: not gonna need.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: You.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Wow that Was Roger.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Earl, yeah that's the, guy the Drummer, yep.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Yep and that was. It that's. IT i was officially
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: in fog after like ten. Days.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah so The Frank sinatra, STORY i. Love it's a
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: it's a short, story but, man is it a good.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: One it's One i'll never. Forget it's you, know we
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: had we had a management company Called Premier Artist services
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: and they were down In. Florida Elliott weisman was the
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: owner of the, company and they were in a, Plantation,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: florida AND i HAD i had gotten down this whole
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: other story in the. BOOK i went down to Do
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Miami vice episode, okay.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: And well to get into your acting.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Career WHEN i was down, THERE i, said let me
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: just stop in at this management company because they had
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: they were managing us at the. Time AND i walk
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: in and they managed me And. Gar this is After
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Oliver's twist And Rock. Kids this is just me And.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Gar we were calling It olliver a while at the.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Time they Managed Frank, Sinatra Eliza, minelli a little punk
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: kid who's like fourteen years old Called Joey. Bonamasa you're
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: familiar with Oh, Y, yeah he was the Guitarist. Joey, yeah, yeah,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: yep it Was. Joey they Managed, joey they Managed, frank
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: they Managed liza and. Me that was. It that's only
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: four clients they. Had AND i walk into office and
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: they had like this coffee, room and next to the
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: coffee room they had a conference. Room you could see
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: all the The they had like four. Agents they were
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: sitting there reading a. Newspaper i'm getting a cup of.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Coffee AND i turned on my left and there's Mister
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: sinatra right. There little guy, yea you, know small than.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Me oh he was. OLD i mean he was.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Like right before he, passed like the year before he.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Died he, goes you're the new. KID i, go, yes,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: sir you. Guys you see what they're doing in. THERE i, go,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: no you, guys they're looking at the obituaries because if
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: my name ain't in, it they still got. Jobs and
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: as fast as that, HAPPENED i turned to look like
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: this and he was. GONE i don't know whether he
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: slipped into it DID i actually just talked to. Him
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: it was that's that Was that was a. Ghost that
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: was that was. IT i was, like, man that was bizarre.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: MAN i remember his eyes were, blue just like they.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Said, though, yeah Real, Sparsey it's, like what just?
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Happened, yeah tell me about your acting.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Career AND i saw The Bob dylan movie and man
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: IF i had interviewed you before seeing, it BUT i
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: can watch it again because it's on demand. Now you're
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: in this movie On Bob dylan.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: For first second or.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Two, YEAH i was just what scene what's seen very
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: very first scene.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: When he's coming out of the cab and he's holding
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: His parney's walking into. Cafe. Wah, yeah it's the very
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: first scene of the. Movie you'll See you'll see a
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: bum walking by him with a hat and holding a
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: liquor bottle like, This like we just go like. This
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: you can't miss, ME i, Said and.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: You are that?
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: BOMB i am that bumally got, YEAH i got IT'S
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: i was called The Tattered. MAN i had a title
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: and everything, cool all, right tatterband bringing totter, band And i'm,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: like there's, me you. Know SO i was in a
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: couple of. Scenes it was in another scene of music
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: on his motorcycle and doing. That that was that was
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: a fun. Shoot that was a Long that was Sixteen.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Hours that was In Jersey. City they Turned Jersey city
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Into New.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: York and you were part of the sixteen, Hours like
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: you had to be there and wait the whole.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Time, yeah how did this acting career all? Start it
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: all started down AND i did his Thing Miami. Vice
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: in the book, two there was a girl WHO i worked.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: WITH i was bartending at the. Time this was After
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Rock kids and we WERE i wasn't making enough money
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: on music at the. TIME i was, like had to
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: be like once, Again Miami. Vice late, eighties middle eighties
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: something like. That, yeah Because john was, famous real. Famous
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: and the GIRL i worked with was a lesbian and
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: her girlfriend was down In florida and they had a long.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Decision but she was the casting director For Miami vice
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: and she Loved Don jovie, like and everybody knew me
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: As john's best. Friend it was LIKE i HAD i
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: was LIKE i was like a star every TIME i
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: went in and WHERE i got treated LIKE i was
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: a star BECAUSE i Knew. John it was like by.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Association so it was, like is there any way you
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: can get her like tickets to the. Show AND i,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: SAID i don't, know let me talk To, John And
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: john said he, goes, yeah tell, her tell her you
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: get her backstage. Passes i'll hook you. UP i, said, really, yeah,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: yeah he, goes, yeah tell tell. Her he said to,
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: me tell her you want to spot On Miami.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: VICE i, go all, Right i'll do, that and he,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Goes i'll take care of.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: YOU i was, like all, Right SO i, Said i'll
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: get your backstage, passes but you got to give me
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: a shot On Miami. Vice and she's. Done like, that
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: she flew me down To. Florida my brother lived down,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: there so didn't have to put me up in a,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: hotel and he drove me to the thing AND i
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: got on the one. EPISODE i did my, thing and
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: she went to See john and she went backstage and
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: he hooked her. Up she was. Ecstatic john was good like,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: that you, know like if you said he was gonna
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: as long as it wasn't In jersey when there's like
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: ten thousand people that were asking for, tickets if it
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: was out of, state would he would HOOK i could
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: get hooked up pretty good with. Him but that's how it.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Started and THEN i got the itch a little. Bit
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: and then years later a friend Of, vicky my, girlfriend
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: now she's a comedian then In, FLORIDA hbo is doing
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: a show Called finyal and it was produced By scorsese AND.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: MG i watched that short lived, series BUT i enjoyed. It,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: yeah they were supposed to go, longer but they got
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: into an artistic difference and they broke up and stopped.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: It but, anyway so she started looking for like a
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: long hair kind of guy to do a show Called
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: vinyl shooting In New. York so she gave me this
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: guy's name and, number AND i went AND i sent
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: them a picture AND i got. IN i was in
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: a couple of. Scenes it was. Fun and THEN i
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: just Joined Central casting In New york and Also Backstage
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: magazine and there's a couple other man de casting AND
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: i got my pictures done and blah blah, blah And
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: i've Been i've been dabbling in it ever. Since that's very,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: cool cool. SPOTS i was a real good shot In The.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Irishman my whole face is that's a lot, Too. SCORSESE
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: i was in a scene two hundred people AND i
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: just happened to be standing next to a guy getting
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: shot From Joe columbo getting Shot boom, Boom and when
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: you get shot you're supposed to like as a background
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: after you're supposed to be, like, ah like. That SO
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: i went out a couple of. Times he did, one,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: two three, takes and all of a, sudden Scor sase
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: gets up from like fifty yards fift twenty yards. Away
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: he gets out of his tent because he was looking
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: at it on video and walking towards. HIM i thinking
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: he's going to go towards the GUY i got, shot
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: which was next to, me and he comes up right
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: to me and he, goes you, know he, GOES i
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: love your, enthusiasm but your eyes are too. Big he,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: goes can you like maybe say say? Fuck they say,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: that say THE f? Word and he, goes maybe it
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: won't make your eyes pop so. Much i'm, went, yes,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Sir and he walked, away And i'm, going DID i
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: just get directed By martin scorsesey because he could just
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: get rid of? It? Yeah AND i went home AND
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: i said To, VIC i, Said i'm gonna be in this.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Movie you.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Watch so we went to the theater because it was
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: only ran in. Theaters it was on it Was netflix,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: show but it was running. Theaters went to Fat nyland
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: to see it and, sure enough the scene where he
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: shot the, guy they do a close up on my,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: face like the whole screen or at least half The
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: screen's me.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Going, ah booked on rock podcasts will be back after,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: this which MIND.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: I will be. Long so you're doing really good these.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Days you got the acting thing going. You, also you're
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: in a, band you're still, writing recording. Performing you got
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: a beautiful, daughter, right, yeah you.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Got she's actually down In nashville singing and writing songs now.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Too oh she, is she's oh, yeah and she's a
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: she's really good. Too she's she's a. Nurse thank. Got
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: you has a job and.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Yes and the thing, is while you're writing this, book
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: you're telling stories about how you, know you take her
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: to school and you make her breakfast and out here
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: she is all growing, up, yeah doing her.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Thing so it's flying.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: By it's crazy a New Bardo, Okay so, YEAH i
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: was gonna, say what Is WAYNE oliveri doing in twenty twenty?
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Five so New bards tell us where the world can find?
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: You you, know website anything you want to get out?
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: There, yeah well you go To wayneolivery dot. Com or
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: you can go through The New Bardos facebook. Page Just
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: the best way to get us just go To. Facebook New.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Bardez it's spelled like bar dots B A r d Ots,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: okay Bridget. Bardell it's an old superstar from the, Sixties Bridget.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Bardo but, anyway so we're working on a new album.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Now it's our third full length. Album we got a
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: ton of. Videos go to YouTube and check us. Out
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: it's a different. World we have a lot of airplay
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: internationally overseas and In europe and, stuff and we get
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: played on serious satellite radio a. Lot kelly and at
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: the underground garage With Little. Steven he supports us a,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: lot so we get a lot of. Play the problem
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: in today's world is nobody buys, CDs nobody, downloads and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: we get paid point zero zero eight cents per. Stream
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: so it's almost impossible to make a good living playing
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: music unless you're out on a. Tour and our guys
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: in the band Have we all have mortgages to. Pay
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: one guy's a, lawyer another guy has a tree, business
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: so it's we can't just hop in a van and.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Go we're really like a recording, band is what we.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Are we play a couple gigs Like Stone pony or
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: we will open up for Like, squeeze or if there's
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: a national act coming, through we can get a gig
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: open up for them or. Something but we can't go
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: on a tour of Any we were going to go
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: on a tour Of europe about four years. Ago we
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: had a whole two and a half weeks of tour set,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: up including a couple of big stadium gigs with the big,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: festivals and THEN covid hit and it just died like. That, yeah,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: nothing and we haven't really been back. Since but we're
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: just we're happy we're. Recording we're not really in it
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: for the. Money we're just in it because we got
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: to do it because it's in our. Blood and we
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: just keep cranking out.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Material, well and you are On. Spotify i'm looking to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: here the New Bardos Endless.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Drool that's our newest. Album, yeah that was RELEASED i
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: think In august of last. YEAR i was just.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: TALKING i just did an interview With Fred, mallin who's a, producer, composer.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Has done a bunch of.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Stuff, ANYWAY i asked, HIM i, said how do record
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: labels make money these? Days and his answer was. Interesting he,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: said the record labels make plenty of. Money but they
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: rely on the older artists that the legacy, artists and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: they don't even have to make product. Anymore they don't
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: have to make, CDs, cassettes final, albums yeah. Right the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: streaming services plan. It they get profit off. It they
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: don't have to pay anybody LIKE a AND r. Guys
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: so it's, like, OH i never even thought about that
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: BECAUSE i thought they were struggling as, well because they
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: were doing all these, cutoffs you know they WERE i
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: never thought.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Of it, either now that you said, that they don't
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: really have a he, Overhead, yeah no Over, yeah the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: only the only overhead is is recording the actual. Music
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: but they're not interested in.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Looking they're just developing at old old the old.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Acts, yeah they're already recorded. Stuff IT'S i feel bad
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: for the young kids coming up the. LADDER i mean
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: it's like back in the day when we were you,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: know you could make. MONEY i mean even not too long,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: ago when they were downloading. Music we would make seventy
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: five cents on a. Download you, KNOW i had one
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand streams on our, video one hundred thousand streams
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: on this song Called Corporation. Businessman, now back in the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: day that was one hundred thousand. Downloads that would be
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: seventy five thousand. Dollars you, know we made twenty three
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: dollars something like.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: That Claw that's WHAT i was going to finish. With
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: what's the biggest lesson you want to relate to a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: young musician who's listening to this interview right, Now.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Well you gotta want it to the point where you don't.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: CARE i, mean and remember one, thing it's the music.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Business don't forget. That it's the. Business and try not
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: to party too. Much that's the hardest thing to do
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: is when you're starting to could go, play especially when you're,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: young and you got all the girls flying at, you
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: and you got this and you got, that and your
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: drugs AND i sound like a, father but you really
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: got to focus on your. Music and then you got
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: to focus on your. Business AND i would say the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: best thing to do, is once you got your music,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: down look around for a legitimate manager and let them
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: help you along the. Way that was my. Advice just
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: do what you love to. Do that's the bottom. Line,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: YEAH i have no. Regrets we do it because we love. It,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: NOW i, mean you know we didn't we didn't grab
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: The Golden, ring but you never you, know you never.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Know we got more music out, there and sure it
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: only takes one. Song even in today's, world you could
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: still dream of just that one song making it. Happen
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: and it's still it can. Happen not as easy as
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: it used to have, it but it it can still.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Happen AND i was gonna mention as a story With Johnny.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Depp he wanted to be a. Musician he, Is but
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty, four his buddy went to audition For
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: nightmare On Elm street And Wes craven's, DAUGHTER i, think
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: was the one who, said, oh he's, cute you should
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: put him into the. Movie they Asked johnny, like do
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: you want an audition for this or do you want
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: To he's, like, WELL i guess like he was in
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: the waiting room just waiting for his friend to, audition
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: and then his career takes. Off so you just don't
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: know things gonna happen, now you never in the universe
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: works in mysterious. Ways there it, does it, does so
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: The undiscovered show him in a true story of being
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: almost famous is out. Now you can find out wherever
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: you get, Books amazon and all the usual. Places if
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: if you got a bookstore, nearby get a copy. There
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: if they don't have a, copy ask them to get
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: a copy. Booked on rock dot com you can search
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: for your nearest independent. Bookstore and you did mention where
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: people could find you online so they could reach out
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: to you On facebook or go to the website The New, Bardees.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: New, bordeaux or The New Bordeaux facebook, page OR i
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: have a fan page Called Wayne Oh WAYNE oliveri On,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Facebook Wayne Oh WAYNE oliveri On, facebook and you could
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: reach me. There you you COULD dm me if you
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: want The New. Bardoes go on to YouTube and check us,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: out and we've got tons of video material out. There
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: you might enjoy good.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Stuff i've seen it. MYSELF i was listening to the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: tunes watching some of the live. Performances so check out
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: The New bardoes and go see them. Live check out
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: all the upcoming dates on the. Website all, Right, wayne
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: thanks so, much, Man, eric this has been.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Fun thank you very. MUCH i appreciate. It that's. It
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: it's in the. Books