Latest / Morning Medical with Dr. Chow / Couples' Sleep Health, Diuretics for Heart Failure, and Ozempic Needle Disposal Concerns
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- 0:00Good morning, everyone, and welcome to another episode of Morning Medical with Dr.
- 0:04Chow.
- 0:05I am your host, Dr.
- 0:06Chi-Ming Chow.
- 0:08In today's episode, we will explore some intriguing topics that are making headlines in
- 0:12the medical world.
- 0:13We will be discussing the potential benefits of couples sleeping separately, the use of
- 0:19diuretics for ambulatory heart failure patients with volume overload, the proper disposal of
- 0:24Ozempic and Wegovy needles, and the ongoing efforts to reduce the prices of these
- 0:30medications.
- 0:31So, let us dive right in.
- 0:35Our first topic today is about the benefits of couples sleeping separately.
- 0:41This might sound unusual to some, but specialists are now saying that there are
- 0:45significant advantages to this practice.
- 0:48More than one-third of Americans have reported that they occasionally or consistently sleep in
- 0:53another room to accommodate their bed partner, according to a study by the American Academy of
- 0:59Sleep Medicine last year.
- 1:01Interestingly, it is millennials who are most likely to sleep separately, rather than older
- 1:06people.
- 1:08Take the case of Michael Solender and his wife, who have been together for 42 years.
- 1:14They initially slept in the same bed for the first decade of their marriage but started
- 1:18sleeping in separate rooms after Michael developed chronic and heavy snoring, which
- 1:23eventually led to a diagnosis of sleep apnea.
- 1:26Despite the use of a continuous positive airway pressure machine to eliminate his snoring, they
- 1:32continued to sleep apart due to other issues.
- 1:36Michael tends to be warm at night, while his wife is usually cold.
- 1:40For them, maintaining separate rooms for sleep has resulted in a healthier and better
- 1:46relationship.
- 1:47Michael emphasizes that there is no shame or stigma attached to their decision.
- 1:53Snoring, temperature variations, cover stealing, and tossing and turning are common
- 1:59reasons why partners may choose to sleep separately.
- 2:02Other factors include illness, different work shifts, and partners who go to bed and wake up
- 2:08at different times.
- 2:09Dr.
- 2:09Seema Khosla, a pulmonologist and spokesperson for the American Academy of Sleep Medicine,
- 2:15highlighted the importance of achieving adequate sleep, which is usually seven to eight
- 2:20hours for adults.
- 2:21She noted that people who consistently experience poor sleep are more likely to have
- 2:26conflicts with their partners.
- 2:30Dr.
- 2:30Khosla, who is also the medical director of the North Dakota Center for Sleep, mentioned that
- 2:36it is really a question of people prioritizing their sleep.
- 2:41Sleeping separately is probably more common than many of us think.
- 2:45The same goes for sleep apnea, which is a leading cause of heavy snoring.
- 2:51Michael Solender shared his experience of realizing the impact sleep deprivation had on
- 2:57both himself and his wife.
- 2:59He would often wake her up and himself up during the night.
- 3:03He started falling asleep at red lights, while watching television, or even while sitting up
- 3:08and reading a book.
- 3:10It was then that he knew he had an issue and sought the help of a sleep specialist.
- 3:16Key to making separate sleep spaces work is open communication.
- 3:21Michael Solender and his wife discussed the matter beforehand, ensuring that it was not
- 3:25about avoiding intimacy but rather about recognizing the need for quality sleep.
- 3:31Dr.
- 3:32Khosla has observed some reluctance among her patients when she suggests sleeping apart.
- 3:37Usually, it is due to someone's spouse snoring or an alarm that wakes them up early in the
- 3:43morning.
- 3:44However, with open conversation, many couples find that sleeping separately can indeed work
- 3:50for them.
- 3:52Tracey Daniels and her husband have also been sleeping apart for about four years.
- 3:56Initially, there was no big talk; she simply headed to the guest room due to her husband's
- 4:01snoring and her being a light sleeper.
- 4:05After being diagnosed with breast cancer and undergoing surgery, she initiated a
- 4:09conversation about their sleeping arrangements.
- 4:12Now, they have a routine where he tucks her in and gives her a kiss before bed, and they
- 4:17rotate their three dogs at night.
- 4:20Dr.
- 4:20Phyllis Zee, chief of sleep medicine at Northwestern University Feinberg School of
- 4:24Medicine, pointed out that sleep separation is common in her practice.
- 4:29She believes it would be beneficial for couples to discuss sleep compatibility before getting
- 4:33married.
- 4:34Sleep tends to become less robust as people reach middle age, making them more prone to
- 4:39conditions like insomnia or sleep apnea.
- 4:42While there is no shame in sleeping apart, Dr.
- 4:45Zee noted that technology has made sharing a bed easier in some ways.
- 4:49White noise machines, cooling pillows and bedding, mattresses with dual temperature
- 4:54controls, and dual control electric blankets can all help mitigate sleep issues.
- 5:00Dr.
- 5:01Zee also mentioned that some couples have given up sharing blankets, opting to use their own to
- 5:07make sleep easier.
- 5:09There is a whole market of products designed to address these issues.
- 5:14Sleep separation is more accepted now as people have become more aware of the importance of
- 5:19quality sleep to overall health.
- 5:22However, there are also benefits to sleeping together.
- 5:26Dr.
- 5:26Zee advises seeking professional help before making a decision, as some sleep issues may be
- 5:32treatable.
- 5:34Our next topic today focuses on the use of diuretics for ambulatory heart failure patients
- 5:39with volume overload.
- 5:41This discussion is based on a recent study that compared three different diuretic regimens to
- 5:46determine the most effective approach for patients experiencing persistent congestion
- 5:50despite high doses of oral loop diuretics.
- 5:54The study, known as the DEA-HF trial, was a small randomized crossover study that aimed to
- 6:01narrow down the best way to intensify diuretic therapy in an outpatient setting.
- 6:06The investigators compared the potency of three diuretic regimens in patients who were
- 6:11refractory to congestion.
- 6:14The regimens included high-dose intravenous furosemide plus oral metolazone, furosemide
- 6:21alone, and furosemide plus acetazolamide.
- 6:26The results were quite revealing.
- 6:29The combination of high-dose intravenous furosemide plus oral metolazone led to
- 6:34significantly more total sodium excretion at six hours, amounting to 4,691 milligrams,
- 6:41compared to 3,835 milligrams for furosemide alone and 3,584 milligrams for furosemide plus
- 6:49acetazolamide.
- 6:50These findings were statistically significant, with a P value of 0.015 and 0.001,
- 6:56respectively.
- 6:59In terms of total urinary volume excreted, the best results were also seen with the
- 7:04combination of furosemide plus metolazone, which resulted in 1.84 liters of urine.
- 7:10This was followed by 1.71 liters for furosemide alone and 1.58 liters for furosemide plus
- 7:18acetazolamide, with a P value of 0.039.
- 7:22These results support the findings of older trials such as the CLOROTIC and 3T trials.
- 7:28However, it is important to note that the combination of furosemide plus metolazone was
- 7:33associated with a significantly higher rate of worsening renal function, occurring in 39
- 7:39percent of patients, compared to 16 percent for furosemide alone and just 2.6 percent for
- 7:45furosemide plus acetazolamide.
- 7:48Despite this, the study authors noted that this did not translate into more hospital admissions
- 7:54due to acute kidney injury.
- 7:57On the other hand, furosemide plus acetazolamide did not result in better
- 8:03natriuresis, urine volume, or weight reduction compared to high-dose intravenous furosemide
- 8:09alone.
- 8:10This was in contrast to the ADVOR trial, which found that lower-dose furosemide plus
- 8:16acetazolamide did provide a benefit.
- 8:19The investigators theorized that the diminishing returns in the present trial may be
- 8:24due to the higher dose of furosemide tested or the greater use of background SGLT2 inhibitors.
- 8:31From a physiological perspective, both SGLT2 inhibitors and acetazolamide block sodium
- 8:37reabsorption in the proximal tubule of the nephron.
- 8:41On a background of high SGLT2 inhibitor use, adding intravenous acetazolamide to a loop
- 8:48diuretic may not be as effective in augmenting diuresis.
- 8:52This was highlighted by Dr.
- 8:53Paula Rambarat and Dr.
- 8:55G.
- 8:56Michael Felker in an accompanying editorial comment.
- 9:00Adding to the complexity of diuretic choices is the availability of a relatively new
- 9:05subcutaneous formulation of furosemide that can be self-administered by patients at home.
- 9:12Future studies are needed to compare outcomes with subcutaneous furosemide versus combination
- 9:17therapy with intravenous furosemide in ambulatory, congestion-refractory heart failure
- 9:23patients.
- 9:25Additionally, it remains unknown whether combination therapy with metolazone in addition
- 9:31to subcutaneous furosemide improves outcomes.
- 9:35Dr.
- 9:36Rambarat and Dr.
- 9:37Felker emphasized the need for future prospective studies that are adequately powered
- 9:42to assess important clinical endpoints such as symptom burden and heart failure
- 9:47hospitalizations.
- 9:49They concluded that only through such rigorous research can the role of outpatient parenteral
- 9:54diuretic therapy in managing congestion-refractory heart failure patients be
- 9:59firmly established.
- 10:02The DEA-HF trial was a prospective study conducted in 2023 at a single day-care heart
- 10:08failure unit located in a hospital.
- 10:10Eligible patients included those with chronic heart failure with New York Heart Association
- 10:15class II to IV symptoms and at least one sign of congestion while on at least two heart
- 10:21failure drugs.
- 10:22They also needed to have estimated glomerular filtration rates greater than 20 milliliters
- 10:27per minute per 1.73 square meters and no history of renal replacement therapy or
- 10:32ultrafiltration within 30 days before randomization.
- 10:37In the crossover study, 42 patients were subjected to a random sequence of weekly
- 10:42treatments with intravenous furosemide 250 milligrams, intravenous furosemide 250
- 10:48milligrams plus oral metolazone 5 milligrams, or intravenous furosemide 250 milligrams plus
- 10:55intravenous acetazolamide 500 milligrams.
- 10:59Treatments were administered once a week, and the overall study participation lasted for
- 11:04three consecutive weeks.
- 11:06The study had a high completion rate, with 88 percent of participants completing the entire
- 11:12sequence of treatments and follow-up.
- 11:15The mean age of participants was 72 years, and 40 percent were women.
- 11:20Half of the participants had left ventricular ejection fraction 50 percent or higher, and
- 11:25three-quarters were in New York Heart Association class III.
- 11:29All participants were on high-dose oral loop diuretics at baseline, and most were on
- 11:35guideline-directed medical therapy, including SGLT2 inhibitors.
- 11:41The incidence of electrolyte abnormalities and symptomatic hypotension was similar across all
- 11:45treatment groups.
- 11:47The study authors acknowledged the possibility of carryover effects between treatments,
- 11:52although they found no statistical evidence of this.
- 11:56However, they cautioned that as a single-center study, the results may be limited in their
- 12:02generalizability to other settings.
- 12:05They also noted that conducting the study as a multicenter trial would be impractical.
- 12:12In summary, the DEA-HF trial provides valuable insights into the effectiveness of different
- 12:19diuretic regimens for ambulatory heart failure patients with volume overload.
- 12:24While high-dose intravenous furosemide plus oral metolazone showed the most promise in
- 12:30terms of sodium excretion and urinary volume, it also came with a higher risk of worsening
- 12:36renal function.
- 12:38Future studies are essential to further explore these findings and determine the best
- 12:45strategies for managing congestion-refractory heart failure patients in an outpatient
- 12:50setting.
- 12:52Our next topic today focuses on the proper disposal of needles used for administering
- 12:57Ozempic and Wegovy.
- 12:59These medications, which have spiked in popularity, are used for managing type 2
- 13:04diabetes and weight loss.
- 13:06According to a Gallup poll, 6% of United States adults have tried these injectable weight-loss
- 13:12drugs, and 3% are currently using them.
- 13:16Both drugs are injected weekly using prefilled pens, and it is crucial for people to know how
- 13:22to properly dispose of the needles after administration.
- 13:26Health officials emphasize that the needles cannot simply be tossed into the trash, recycle
- 13:31bin, or flushed down the toilet.
- 13:34The general rule of thumb, according to the United States Food and Drug Administration, is
- 13:38to dispose of needles in a 'heavy-duty plastic household container.' Ideally, this should be a
- 13:45puncture-resistant sharps container, similar to the ones you would find at a doctor's office.
- 13:50However, if a sharps container is not available, people may be able to use household
- 13:55items, depending on local regulations.
- 13:59For example, a sturdy container such as a coffee can or laundry detergent bottle can be
- 14:05used for needle disposal, provided it has a tight-fitting lid to keep the needles safely
- 14:10inside.
- 14:11In certain states, you can put your sturdy container into the trash, while in others, the
- 14:16needles must be brought to a facility for proper disposal.
- 14:20Regulations can vary, so it is essential to familiarize yourself with local guidelines to
- 14:25ensure that you are taking the proper precautions.
- 14:29Joseph Wendelken, the public information officer for the Rhode Island Department of
- 14:33Health, noted that in Rhode Island, you would ideally put needles in a sharps container and
- 14:37then place them in a dark trash bag.
- 14:40The Food and Drug Administration also recommends checking with your local trash
- 14:44removal services or health department to verify official recommendations for needle disposal.
- 14:50Novo Nordisk, the manufacturer of both Ozempic and Wegovy, offers a Drug Disposal Program
- 14:57where consumers can order a sharps disposal container or a medicine return container
- 15:02through the company's website.
- 15:05This program provides an additional resource for those looking to dispose of their needles
- 15:09safely and in compliance with regulations.
- 15:13Ozempic was approved in 2017 to help patients manage type 2 diabetes.
- 15:19Along with proper diet and exercise, it can help regulate blood sugar levels and
- 15:24potentially contribute to weight loss, although the drug has not officially been approved for
- 15:29that purpose.
- 15:30Wegovy, on the other hand, was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in June 2021
- 15:36specifically for weight loss and weight management, intended for obesity patients aged
- 15:4112 and older.
- 15:43Given the widespread media attention and the increasing number of people using these
- 15:47medications, it is more important than ever to follow proper procedures for needle disposal.
- 15:53If you are unsure of the guidelines in your area, health officials advise checking with
- 15:58your local health department to ensure safety and compliance.
- 16:02Our final topic today revolves around the ongoing efforts to reduce the prices of the
- 16:07popular medications Ozempic and Wegovy.
- 16:10United States Senator Bernie Sanders has expressed optimism that Novo Nordisk, the
- 16:15manufacturer of these drugs, can be pressured to lower their prices in the United States.
- 16:22This optimism stems from Sanders' belief in the power of public shaming to bring about change,
- 16:29much like it did last year with the high cost of insulin.
- 16:34According to Sanders, Novo Nordisk's Chief Executive Officer Lars Jorgensen is set to
- 16:39testify before the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, which Sanders
- 16:45chairs, in a hearing scheduled for September.
- 16:48The focus of this hearing will be on the United States prices for Ozempic and Wegovy.
- 16:53Sanders told Reuters in a phone interview, 'I think we got a real shot, and I was pleased to
- 16:58see President Biden supporting that effort.'
- 17:01Sanders successfully utilized a similar strategy last year when he targeted Novo
- 17:06Nordisk, Eli Lilly, and Sanofi over the exorbitant prices of insulin.
- 17:12Following months of pressure and a scheduled Senate hearing, all three companies announced
- 17:16they would cut their insulin prices.
- 17:19Sanders believes that highlighting the 'greed of the pharmaceutical industry' and
- 17:23specifically targeting Novo Nordisk for 'ripping off the American people' can achieve
- 17:28similar results for Ozempic and Wegovy.
- 17:31A spokesperson for Novo Nordisk mentioned that while the net prices of both drugs have dropped
- 17:37by 40 percent since their launch, these savings are not being passed on to consumers.
- 17:43The company attributed this to pharmacy benefit managers, who act as intermediaries between
- 17:48drug companies and consumers.
- 17:50Sanders, however, has stated that this price drop is not sufficient.
- 17:55Pharmacy benefit managers, or PBMs, play a significant role in determining which drugs are
- 18:00covered by insurance and at what price.
- 18:04Sanders plans to introduce legislation that would expand the maximum number of drugs
- 18:08eligible for Medicare price negotiations from 20 to 50 per year.
- 18:12Additionally, he aims to extend the annual $2,000 cap on out-of-pocket costs to Americans
- 18:18outside of Medicare.
- 18:20Sanders hopes to garner bipartisan support for these measures, which were also advocated by
- 18:25President Biden in his State of the Union address earlier this year.
- 18:29Sanders emphasized that while PBMs do play a negative role, pharmaceutical companies cannot
- 18:35use them as an excuse for high drug prices.
- 18:39He pointed out that drug companies are still 'ripping off the American people,' regardless
- 18:44of the involvement of PBMs.
- 18:46Sanders noted that Novo Nordisk has not engaged constructively with the Senate committee.
- 18:53The company has offered briefings for the committee staff and sent a 22-page letter
- 18:58responding to questions, but Sanders stated that these efforts have not been sufficient.
- 19:05Sanders' ultimate goal is to see the price of Ozempic in the United States reduced to around
- 19:09$155, which is the drug's price in Canada.
- 19:13Currently, a month's supply of Ozempic lists at approximately $935.77 in the United States,
- 19:20while Wegovy lists for $1,349.02 per month.
- 19:24Most consumers do pay less due to insurance, but the high list prices still impact overall
- 19:30healthcare costs.
- 19:32In conclusion, Sanders remains focused on Novo Nordisk due to its production of what could
- 19:37become the most profitable drug in history.
- 19:40However, he has also indicated that he will address the high prices of Eli Lilly's rival
- 19:44drugs, Mounjaro and Zepbound, which list for about $1,100 per month.
- 19:50Sanders described their prices as 'outrageous' and noted that the total market for weight loss
- 19:55drugs could exceed $100 billion by the end of the decade.
- 19:59Before we wrap up today's episode, I want to remind everyone of the importance of staying
- 20:04informed about healthcare policies and their impact on our lives.
- 20:09The efforts to reduce drug prices are crucial for making healthcare more accessible and
- 20:14affordable for all.
- 20:16Thank you for joining me today on Morning Medical with Dr.
- 20:20Chow.
- 20:21Stay healthy and informed, and I look forward to having you with us again tomorrow.