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Reddit AITA: Paranormal Nonbelievers · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Speaker 1: Am I the asshole? If I insist on believing in Bigfoot?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how insistent are you? Is this where
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  Speaker 2: like the tables turn and now the paranormal person is
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  Speaker 2: actually the asshole?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I guess we'll see. My family doesn't have faith in Bigfoot.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's just depressing. I'm so sorry. That's really just
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 3: I hate to see it.
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  Speaker 1: This last weekend, at a family party, folks started ridiculing
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  Speaker 1: Bigfoot believers. I suggested that there's more physical evidence for
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  Speaker 1: Bigfoot than Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: Hi Caitlin Hi Kennessey. Oh, Happy New Year, creepy people.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's the new year. It is. We
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  Speaker 3: haven't been you since Christmas. This is true.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: We did do a very important rerun I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you guys noticed on New Year's Day. It was
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  Speaker 1: the rerun of the Chateau the Oregon Caves. Yeah, they
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: still need donations, and we got an email from them
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  Speaker 1: saying that they still need help. So we did a
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  Speaker 1: rerun of that to remind you guys, if you haven't donated,
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  Speaker 1: to go donate to that because I would like it
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  Speaker 1: to reopen.
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, because it makes it really hard for us
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  Speaker 2: to play in a trip there if they're not open.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I mean, we could go, but we
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  Speaker 2: might get arrested.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just feel like in my current state, I just
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  Speaker 2: don't think I can add trouble with.
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  Speaker 3: Law enforcement to the mix. I've just kind of got
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  Speaker 3: a lot on my plate. Yeah we do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what else we have on our plates?
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  Speaker 1: What a new patreon we do? I call them just
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  Speaker 1: patreo patrons.
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  Speaker 3: What are they even called patron? We patre patrons. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we have a new creepy person. We have two patrons.
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  Speaker 3: We have two new ones, two new ones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think we shouted them out yet, but
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  Speaker 2: it's recent enough that I I'm not sure, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna check.
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  Speaker 3: Oh we might have shouted her out already. H oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh sweetened gee, I was like, I feel like we
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  Speaker 1: didn't say their patreon name, but we said their real
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  Speaker 1: name on accident.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if they care, if they cared or not,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: But you can let us know. Yeah, you're so sweet,
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  Speaker 3: you can let us know. I see what you did there.
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  Speaker 3: Oh and they're part of the never Bundy Tear.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we have a new creepy, creepy person
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  Speaker 1: at the creepy people tear super grams, super gram Hey,
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  Speaker 1: you're super I'm so creative with the compliments.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're really You're really ailing it. They made it
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  Speaker 3: easy for me. They knew I was having a rough
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  Speaker 3: time and they just wanted, yeah, to make it easy
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  Speaker 3: on my brain. It's it's all we can hope for. Really.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh, So I just like went into
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  Speaker 1: the transition and forgot to Oh the rest of our
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  Speaker 1: show intro, which is, yeah, what is it? This is
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  Speaker 1: PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime,
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  Speaker 1: the paranormal, and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah or the pnwf nasty.
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  Speaker 3: And then we also do a tarot reading at the
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  Speaker 3: end of every episode for a little deeper insight into
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  Speaker 3: our top. And then you just got progressively quieter and
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  Speaker 3: quieter and whispered the last word. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what's going on. I don't know what does anymore.
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  Speaker 3: I think we're doing it. I'm trying so hard. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we I don't know if we talked about it, but
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  Speaker 3: my word of the year is.
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  Speaker 2: Try we have not talked about that.
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  Speaker 3: I love that for you. That's my word of the year.
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  Speaker 3: We're just trying, you know, we're just trying. So hey,
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  Speaker 3: this is me trying. Taylor Swift.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of Taylor Swift, I watched the new eras for
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  Speaker 1: docuseries and I just want to say, I was like
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  Speaker 1: in a hole and that just kind of made me
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  Speaker 1: feel better.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're like filing the pest or whatever, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, watch the Taylor Swift eras to Docuseries on
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  Speaker 3: Disney Plan not sponsored. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I actually I found something significantly shorter that had I
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  Speaker 2: feel like, kind of the same effect. It's like a
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  Speaker 2: four second video clip and it's really changed.
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  Speaker 3: It's really turned things around for me.
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  Speaker 1: It's a secret video clip. It's hidden on her phone. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta have the password to get in there.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, oh no, no oh no oh no, it's
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  Speaker 3: not from Chris. Not makes it worse.
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  Speaker 2: I know, Stop you're making it so much worse. Everything
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  Speaker 2: you say just makes it worse. No, I'm kind of
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  Speaker 2: distract I know, I know. I'm very excited gonna we
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  Speaker 2: are going to be having a new fuzzy creature joining
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  Speaker 2: our family.
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  Speaker 3: Oh are you announcing it. I thought you were keeping
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  Speaker 3: it a secret.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, I guess I didn't really given it much thought.
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  Speaker 3: Could you told me it was a secret. I think
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  Speaker 3: I just told you. I hadn't really told anybody else.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a secret. No, it's just it was.
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  Speaker 2: Late at night when we finished up making our initial arrangements,
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  Speaker 2: and so I was like, okay, well, not everybody wants
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  Speaker 2: to receive a text late at night announcing their puppy
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  Speaker 2: to the world.
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  Speaker 3: They don't belong in your life. Then that's true, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, It's true. It's true.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're not going to be able to bring
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  Speaker 2: her home for a little bit because she's so so tiny.
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  Speaker 3: She's so so dittle, little nugget.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know if her eyes have opened
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  Speaker 2: yet or not.
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  Speaker 3: Fully, it's a cuss thing. Oh my god, she's so
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  Speaker 3: so precious and I can't wait for her to come.
• 6:32
  Speaker 3: And they've at my hat's new pod dog pod Dog
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  Speaker 3: and training. Yeah. Are you ready to get into the episode?
• 6:39
  Speaker 3: I guess so. I kind of switched things up on you.
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  Speaker 1: Because I like to do that, all right, because I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't feeling the episode I have written, and I have
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  Speaker 1: a reason for that that I didn't really realize until I,
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  Speaker 1: like last night, I was thinking about recording it, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's emotional, Like what why am
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  Speaker 1: I trying to do this?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: No, very emotional thing on top of like everything that's
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  Speaker 1: going on in my brain.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, you know what, We're just not
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  Speaker 3: gonna do it. We're not feeling it. So I have
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  Speaker 3: a surprise for you. Okay, Oh yeah, I think I.
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  Speaker 1: Scrolled through redd End until three am last nar shut up, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna I just pulled ten different things, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have you pick numbers until we finish
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  Speaker 1: an episode.
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  Speaker 3: Read what Oh my.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, Okay, so what you I don't know that I've
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  Speaker 2: even told you, But I have some stuff that I've
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  Speaker 2: been working on that's in a very similar vein oh brains.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Is it spooky stuff or is it true crime stuff?
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  Speaker 3: Could be a little bit of both. So pick a
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  Speaker 3: number between one and ten. Okay, I'm gonna go with,
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  Speaker 3: uh three. I knew you were going to pick three.
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  Speaker 3: Should I not have picked No? I just knew that
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  Speaker 3: was the number you're Oh, okay, I have an am
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  Speaker 3: I the asshole? For you? Shut up.
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  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I was not expecting that because you like those.
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  Speaker 3: I do like those. I know that.
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  Speaker 2: I just was like, is there going to be an
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  Speaker 2: am I the asshole that like that fits?
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  Speaker 3: I'm so curious now there are.
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  Speaker 1: Or any of you say anything about we don't know
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  Speaker 1: where these are. These could be in the Pacific Northwest,
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  Speaker 1: it could be anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: You know what.
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  Speaker 1: We're in the Pacific Northwest and we're talking about it,
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  Speaker 1: so deal with it. Yeah, okay, that's the theme for
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  Speaker 1: the day that connects to PNW perfect.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's our show and that's what we're doing. That's
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  Speaker 2: how it connects.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, Ai ta for not believing my boyfriend who
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  Speaker 1: says he is dealing with paranormal events? Will you tick
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  Speaker 1: the dramatic one first?
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  Speaker 3: I think? So oh oh, I'm suck excited. Okay, it's
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  Speaker 3: user Gabby. I don't know how to say the last
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  Speaker 3: name b riends. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You guys can go to my sources and click the
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  Speaker 1: link and figure it out for yourself.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: So MAYBF and I have been dating for around four months.
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  Speaker 1: That's not that long, no, and they're twenty one and eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: So oh they're pretty young, so maybe four months does
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  Speaker 1: feel like that's.
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  Speaker 3: A longer relationship.
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  Speaker 2: You have to think about it like dog years when
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  Speaker 2: you're dating, like at that age, that's like the equivalent
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  Speaker 2: of like a year for grown ups.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so putting it that way, they've been together for
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  Speaker 3: the equivalent of a year. Sure, we're going with it.
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  Speaker 3: He has a few mental health related issues and we
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  Speaker 3: usually work around that. Last week he started acting distant,
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  Speaker 3: like he would look away from me when we were
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  Speaker 3: talking and things like that. Yesterday he almost fell when
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  Speaker 3: we were walking and started acting weird. Later, he told
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  Speaker 3: me that he heard a scream and that pushed him
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  Speaker 3: to the ground. So that's he's saying, that's why he fell. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I have pretty good hearing, and I didn't hear shit.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not really sure what to make of that, though.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of funny, like I have pretty good hearing,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't hear shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it sounds yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: something I would say.
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  Speaker 1: Then he started telling me about when he was young
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  Speaker 1: he saw things fly. I didn't like, like birds or
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  Speaker 1: what kind of things. I'm just curious about that flying.
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  Speaker 1: I think these are like objects creatures.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like this is what this could
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  Speaker 2: be one of those posts where you're like info, no
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  Speaker 2: more details.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Believe in what he said. And when I told him that,
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  Speaker 1: he flipped out on me. I said, I needed a
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  Speaker 1: break to think. And now I have several missed calls
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  Speaker 1: over a hundred miss messages from him. Oh my god, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's intense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I'm a jerk for not
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  Speaker 1: believing in him, But after that, I wonder if he
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  Speaker 1: was just attention seeking or if he's mentally ill. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if I should end it for good or
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  Speaker 1: try to help even even if I don't believe him.
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  Speaker 3: Advice Caitlin, this is your advice column. Oh great, no pressure, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, even if you're not experiencing the same things
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  Speaker 2: or sort of like witnessing the same things, I would
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  Speaker 2: think it's probably best you approach this, you know, from
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  Speaker 2: a perspective of like you don't necessarily have to believe
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  Speaker 2: that what he's saying is one hundred percent accurate, or
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe there's a different interpretation that you have
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  Speaker 2: of the same events, but just being supportive and maybe
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  Speaker 2: I think I think this comes up a lot actually
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  Speaker 2: in relation to like hauntings and paranormal stories where people
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  Speaker 2: are advised, Yes, we should probably explore every possible like
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  Speaker 2: quote unquote normal explanation before we jump to you know,
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  Speaker 2: poltergeist whatever. So definitely, you know, just doing a little
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  Speaker 2: mental health check is is always good.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good place to to start.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people in the comments were saying,
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  Speaker 1: like it sounds like the start of schizophrenia, like kind
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  Speaker 1: of yeah, the acting distance and hearing things, seeing things,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I feel like it's it's worth checking out.
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  Speaker 3: And it sounds like.
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  Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a history there with some
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  Speaker 2: mental health issues, although it sounds like he'd argue that
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  Speaker 2: it's a history of.
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  Speaker 3: A pair normal, right, Yeah, but I mean it.
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  Speaker 2: Either way, you know, I think it's it's worth exploring.
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  Speaker 2: I will say, I.
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  Speaker 1: Feel like everything combine, like the one hundred missed messages,
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  Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's kind of that a big indication, red
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  Speaker 1: flag of something maybe else going on there.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I do think at that point it makes
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  Speaker 2: it puts a little more into the column for you know,
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  Speaker 2: potential concern for mental.
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  Speaker 3: Health in our professional opinion, Yes, and our very very
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  Speaker 3: professional opinions in our professional podcast or opinion exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, a ton of people. I was I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: totally like reading the comments, but a lot of them were.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the comments is where. That's where you gotta go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to go there to see what people
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  Speaker 2: are saying. That's kind of the whole that's the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't I agree.
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  Speaker 1: Though that because for everyone just immediately if you tell
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  Speaker 1: a ghost story, they especially I feel like on Reddit
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  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, that's a hallucination.
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  Speaker 3: You're hallucinating, Like that's in your brain.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like it happens in so many
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  Speaker 2: different subreddits and like different situations where there definitely can
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  Speaker 2: be a real dismissive vibe whatever is happening.
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  Speaker 3: You know, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Has their own opinion, but some people can really downplay
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  Speaker 2: or be dismissive of of Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, at the very.
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  Speaker 2: Least, I feel like you owe it to people to
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  Speaker 2: just you know, okay, hear me out. You know, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so far he's not putting anybody in danger. Hopefully it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't sound like yeah, so I feel like, you know.
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  Speaker 3: You know, maybe the beginnings of stalking, that could be that.
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  Speaker 2: Could be like, yeah, I mean if it rises to
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  Speaker 2: that level, for sure. But I think you know, approach
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  Speaker 2: things with you know, openness and kindness, and I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I have to think about safety, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, I think that results are so much better.
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  Speaker 2: You know, people get closed off when you immediately are
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  Speaker 2: kind of objecting to to their experience or invalidating them.
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  Speaker 3: So because I don't know, someone did in the comments
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  Speaker 3: say like it's real to them.
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  Speaker 2: So like exactly, Yeah, regardless of whatever the cause is
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  Speaker 2: happening in their like right's they're experienced real distress.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. But then again, like it is your boyfriend,
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  Speaker 3: you're very young, like it might not be your responsibility
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  Speaker 3: to you know, make sure this person gets mental help either.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's where I feel like you do have
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  Speaker 2: to be really cautious about, you know, making sure that
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  Speaker 2: you're taking care of yourself and really putting you know, safety,
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  Speaker 2: and that can mean so many different things, but putting
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  Speaker 2: that at the forefront, because yeah, you're very young and
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  Speaker 2: you guys have been together for such a short time.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you can't let somebody four months.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's meant to be, it'll be not just kidding. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: let him go, let him fly like the objects that
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  Speaker 3: he sees.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just to you know, just perspective. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I have jars of pickles in my fridge that I've
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  Speaker 2: had longer relationships with than four months, so you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying I wouldn't. I wouldn't let a jar
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  Speaker 2: of pickles ruin my life, you know, in a in
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  Speaker 2: a serious way.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know for what it's worth.
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  Speaker 1: What if those pickles are telling you that they're seeing ghosts.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I feel like the pickles, you know, they're seeing
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  Speaker 2: things from a different perspective than me.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm I'm opened hearing them out a submerged perspective, right,
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  Speaker 3: they're in vinegar.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's like, maybe it's a ghost that like
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  Speaker 2: is specifically hanging out in the fridge. And in which case,
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  Speaker 2: I think probably the pickles are gonna be the expert
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  Speaker 2: technically in that scenario.
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  Speaker 1: If you are a pickle and you are being haunted,
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  Speaker 1: email US office the Gmail talk Oh my god, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well please someone right a haunted like creepy pasta or
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  Speaker 1: what am I trying to say? Write a creepy email
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  Speaker 1: to us from the perspective of a pickle being haunted.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, please, if you don't do it, I'm gonna do it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna happen, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'm excited to see if the next story,
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  Speaker 2: if there's any way that this pickle situation, you know,
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  Speaker 2: kind of carries through, it'll be really interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, no, no, okay, pick a number between one
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  Speaker 3: and ten. Okay? Seven? Who seven minus three? Oh well,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: you're already picked three. Yeah. I was like, you want
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: me to do math?
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  Speaker 1: Or I would never ever do that too. Am I
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  Speaker 1: the asshole for banning my girlfriend from a group chat
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  Speaker 1: after she upset people by insisting ghosts aren't real?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. It kind of sounds like she's
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  Speaker 2: the asshole. Don't you think?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Let's hear the story.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So my girlfriend and I are in a big
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  Speaker 1: group chat with about a dozen of our mutual friends.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds like a nightmare.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's miss.
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  Speaker 1: This past weekend, some people were chatting about paranormal experiences,
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  Speaker 1: and one of our friends, Anne, was saying how her
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: mom once came to see her a few years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Long after she had passed.
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  Speaker 3: Oh oh, by the way, this is from user bubbly
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  Speaker 3: a D five four three seven Bibbly Bubbly Michael Bubbly
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Michael Burbler.
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  Speaker 1: So Anne lost her mom when she was eighteen to
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: a very sad, unnatural event, which she definitely still struggles with.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I like want the I want to know, but I
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: don't because that sounds very ragic.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, when you say an natural, do you
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: mean like a really like tragic, maybe kind of a
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: bizarre like like final destination, typreak accident, incident, or are
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: you saying like like murder, true crime.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Yep, you read my mind. Yeah, because that's unnatural as fuck.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, But that's d either way.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: This is something most of us know.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: But granted, my girlfriend may not be as familiar as
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: she doesn't know them as long. I think they hasn't
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: known them as long.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, we get what you're saying.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Anyways, as Anne is relaying her story, my girlfriend chimes
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: in and starts peppering Anne with all sorts of questions.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: My girlfriend is a huge skeptic and says Anne's experience
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: was probably a combo of hallucination slash exhaustion since it
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: happened around two am, and gets really defensive, but my
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: girlfriend doesn't let up. She ends up calling Anne loopy
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and something like sorry, but sane adults don't see ghosts.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Sounds like you had a mental break from reality due
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to grief.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Wow, your girlfriend is a sea next Tuesday, your next Thursday,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: and not in that good way?
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Oh my god? Wow?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: See and never how about that? That is so aggressive?
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I think we're seeing who the asshole is.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like one thing to not not believe somebody.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: You don't have to believe, but don't shit on this
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: poor person. And we did.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: We just talked about sometimes it can be mental health.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it can be hallucinations. But when you've had a
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: traumatic event and you're telling someone that you like felt
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: your mom's spirit or saw your mom's or whatever, like,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that's come on, that's not the time. Yeah, tell someone
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: they've had a mental break. Obviously they've had a mental
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: fucking break. Okay, their mom died.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, is in what way is that productive?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: In what way is that helpful or kind? Like?
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Is she hurting anyone?
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: No? No, I don't think so. The story doesn't say
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: that she is, doesn't give us any indication that there's
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: any harm happening here. And this is something that I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: don't know how long ago that you know, she supposedly
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: saw her mom's ghosts, but this is something she's looking
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: back on, like in hindsight, whether that was two weeks ago,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: two years ago, whatever. Why why do you have to
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: try to take that from her? That's probably really helped
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: her cope in this time since her mom has passed.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: You're just like not a nice person.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: And like we said, it's real to them.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even if you believe that, and maybe you're right,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: but you can be right and still an asshole.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: In fact, I would argue sometimes being right when it's
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a very sensitive and emotional situation in particular, is the
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: leading cause of being the asshole ofs holary. Yes, you
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: care more about being right than like another human's feelings.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to the trash, there are a million times a
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: day where like, well, okay, well that's a stretch, but
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: there are some times when you know, people are talking
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: to me and I'm talking to them and we're just
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: like having a nice conversation, and they'll say something that
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: like I know, to me is wrong.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Or just not like resonate or not like morally wrong,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: but it's like it's wrong information because you know, I
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: don't know, I hoard like random facts and stuff.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but like I'm not gonna stop our conversation and
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: be like, well, actually.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like some people, some people are like
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: that maybe, I mean, if it's important or you think
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that they would want to know. I feel like so
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: much in any situation, in particular on like the this subreddit,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: like the any of these asshole situations, it's so much
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: about like just read the fucking room.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, some people can't. I don't know. I don't
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: want to be a care I was just thinking, literally
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: was thinking of Sheldon when I just said that, because
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, well, I mean, I don't know.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: I feel he is an asshole though he admits it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think sometimes having an awareness and
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: also like you can over time learn to sort of
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know, for lack of a better
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: way to put it, like you can learn how to
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: behave better. You might not innately or inherently understand certain things.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: You might not know exactly how to interact socially or
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: emotionally whatever with other people on certain levels, certain topics,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: but you can learn to do better.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously like calling someone loopy and saying like
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: sing adults don't see ghosts, I don't know, it's just
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: it's just rude.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: No matter how you put it it, it is.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing is, if you're like a fucking internet
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: troll and you just go to a subreddit and you're like,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: ghosts aren't real, I guess whatever. I wish you would
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: find a hobby that wasn't so annoying for the people
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: trying to talk about their ghost stories. But you were
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: in a group chat with people that you are supposed
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: to be friends with, yeah, which you're actually really like
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: your boyfriend's friends that you're you should be trying to
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: ingratiate yourself to. They're not being racist, they're not being homophobic,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: they're not otherwise.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Hopefully that I mean, we don't know the whole context,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: but but they're like a huge group of assholes and she's, yeah,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Know, they're just major bigots. Here's the thing I've had
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: included in the story. I feel like it would have
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: probably been sprinkled in that there's a little I'm just
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: saying there's no reason for her to be going so
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: hard on this person.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: That like, why why there's more, that's a little bit
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: more to the story, so maybe we'll get a little
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: more context. Oh my god, is this where the bigotry
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: comes in? I don't know.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, so this is after she said really mean things
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: to an okay for Anne, great, I know. At this
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: point I started getting texts and calls from friends in
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the chat asking me to.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Break up with your girlfriend.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I ask made me to tell my girlfriend to
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: shut it, which is like, I don't know, like just
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: back off. Yeah, but I don't know that I would
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: be calling someone to tell them to tell their girlfriend
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: to shut up.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Well, very I don't know. Oh, I
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: don't know. I kind of understand it in this case.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Normally I'm I'm pro not boyfriends telling girlfriends. What is
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: okay yeah to say? Or its complicated feelings.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I call my girlfriend she was out jogging,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: but no answer. I text her, no reply. I send
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: her a long paragraph about Anne's context and to be sensitive,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: but again there's no reply.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: So the you've been texting this whole time. I know
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: she's jogging and texting but can't answer the phone. Maybe
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: she tripped over a log, her phone broke, I know.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: So the fight is still ongoing in the group chat
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and now some friends are defending Anne, but my girlfriend
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: is on a crusade as a result. She gets heated
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: during these kinds of arguments because she treats it like
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: a debate. Oh okay, that was kind of sweet to
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: give us context there.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, here's the thing. Debating is fun. Being an asshole
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: is not.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, like, I'm sorry, that's not the same. Like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: if you want to debate the merits of wearing plaid
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: and stripes together, that's a debate that nobody gets hurt.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Now this situation, you're just an asshole.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Well, and a good debate is not calling someone insane, right, that's.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Not a You need more evidence than that. Maybe she
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: had it. I don't know. Yeah, again, is it helpful?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Is it productive? Is it kind? Is it literally something
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: that you would want someone to say to you. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe she likes it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Anyways, With no other option, I just temporarily kick my
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: girlfriend out of the group. I have adminisers and she doesn't,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: so it seemed like the quickest fix at the time.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Immediately I get calls from my girlfriend accusing me of
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: siding with another girl and not giving her a chance
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: to explain her side.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: He called you, he texted you. Yeah, I'm sorry, bitch,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: your phone's working again. Weird. She's incredibly pissed off and
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: won't hear my reasoning. No one likes you. You're the worst,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: she says.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I lost all credibility in the moment I kicked her
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: out and censored her without warning. Was I the asshole
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: to do this so quickly in the moment, I just
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: wanted to stop the fighting with what seemed like the easiest, easiest, easiest.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Fix, easiest fix.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: As hard as it is, she was like not, she
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: was not She was not listening to anybody.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Like you.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Tried to reach out to her and just be like, hey,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: can you not. She didn't even answer.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: No, you didn't give me a chance to you. You
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: had your chance.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: You can't continue to argue and then someone stops the meanness.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry, you're trash. You're objectively like a mean
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: trash person.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I hope they I don't know. I hope they broke up. Yeah,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I love five years ago. So oh my gosh, Michael Buble,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I hope you're okay.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: God, I really hope she's still out there on that
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: trail eating bark.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Oh. I was like, what could she tripped over a log?
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Go eat bark thors Okay.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: So I think there's like I'm sensing a little bit
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: of a theme with these posts I've picked.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, like, you know, people not believing people. Yeah, that's
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: kind of that's fine.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: That's fine, But you don't have to be an asshole
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: about it. You guys, it's dick road.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Don't be dick episode two.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: We've been saying it for literal years, been saying it
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: for years.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I think I just started pulling these because I'm I'm
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: always like I like to see both sides, because we
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: always say like, yeah, we believe everybody, especially if you
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: send us a story through email or tell us a
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: story like we're gonna believe you.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: We're not gonna We're not gonna be.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: There's a really good chance that based on the description
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: that you provide us of a strange creature, we'll plug
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: that into AI so that we can make a picture
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't tell Clint he was crazy because he
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: saw something like No, I'm not going to do that,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: But Clint, that thing is nightmare fuel. Now that, now
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: that I'm thinking about it again.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I think about that often. Yeah, really like a lot. Yeah,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: probably more than it's healthy, I know, I know. Yeah.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: So in case you were wondering, Clint, your your story
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: has impacted us, and for anybody else listening who's wondering
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: if we would care about their stories, We're that just
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: lives rent free.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: In my head, Yes we care, and you know, we
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: might suggest if we see signs of maybe a mental break,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, we might say like, hey, maybe look
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: at this, but we know that it's real for you.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Anything happening to you is real for you, and it's
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: from your perspective.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: And we weren't there, and you know, how do other
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: than we know? Yeah, who are we to judge? And
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: we don't, you know, we don't necessarily with everyone that
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: listens to the show know them personally, so that would
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: be pretty hard.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: For us to assess. That's all.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I have exceptional hearing and vision, but I can't see
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: everything going on it once.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I am not no god, Okay, So we did three,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: we've done seven, let's do four.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Am I the asshole because I told my friend I
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: didn't believe his ghost story? Oh my gosh, another butthole?
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know. Maybe we'll see maybe this
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: guy won't be the asshole.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Oh I should I guess I should have.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I should have said the results
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: at the top, like after we were done.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, I guess we haven't. Really, we haven't shared the verdicts.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. We're really bad at Reddit.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: You guys.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know how the podcast yeah. Oh okay, so
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the boyfriend one just said advice needed. It didn't have
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a verdict. Okay, So the last one we did was seven.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I mean I think we know what the verdict is
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: going to be.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Not the a hole Okay, yeah, with the girlfriend and
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: the banning and the girlfriend's a hole, not the banner.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Let me just say the user name Lucy more guns
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the genera. Yeah, yep, like I said, they'll all be
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: in this LinkedIn the sources.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, there you go.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Let me just say that we are still good friends today,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and it is just something I have a hard time
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: letting go of. You have a hard time letting go
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: of it for real. A few years ago, my friend
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and I were on a road trip and we had
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: a great time. It was just one discussion that was
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: a hiccup. Okay, they discussed hiccups. Did you scare? Do
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: you tried to scare the hiccups out of them?
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: That'd be funny.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Now, I feel like people really downplay hiccups and how
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable they can be.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Dude, I don't get.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Them often, but I feel like saying something's a hiccup
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: to me, I don't know.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know, uncomfortable.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, man, I don't remember how we
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: got into it, but I just said something along the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: lines of it would be cool if supernatural stuff actually existed,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: like ghosts or whatever.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, just coming in dropping a hot take and.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Just like just as fact, it'd be cool if this,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: like yeah, right.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Because I'm a scientist and I know everything. Gosh, that's fine,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I get it. Not everybody believes that's fine.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: You got to feel it out though. I don't know. Yeah,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe just a vibe check, like a little I.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Think, do you think? I don't know, I don't know.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: And he said ghosts do exist, he'd seen one, I replied,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: but I doubted that he did, okay, And he asked
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: if I was calling him a liar, and then I
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: remembered my exact words, and then I remember my exact words.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: I believe that you believe, which, God damn it. That
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: is so condescending. And it is kind of what we
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: were saying earlier, like it's real to you, but like
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: saying it's real to you, I don't know, like there's
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: a better way to say that. I think, yeah, I
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: believe that you believe. It is just.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I believe that you're crazy and maybe you were seeing
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: things and to you that seems real, but it's not.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: And here I am to tell you how you're wrong.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Is how my drop sounds.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a It's it's like saying no offense before
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: saying something effect.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: My god, it's in the Geneva convention. I just feel like,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: here's the thing.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: All all of my feedback, input, advice, my thoughts, they
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: would apply to so many different situations, like whether you
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: called your you know, girlfriend a not nice name or.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Just like.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: You just suck as a human. You're sucking at human ing, right,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: now because of how you're talking to this person, and
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I realized you maybe didn't mean for it to come across.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: That harsh, but but you suck.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't mean for that to come across that harsh,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: but there it is, you know, there it is. Yeah,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I guess sometimes it just slips out and you can't
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: help it.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: That's what she said. So we didn't just call him out.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: He looked hurt and said that that's a really condescending
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: way to say that. Oh interesting, huh, yes, the exact words.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: It's our felt vocabulary word for the day.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Condescend is condescension a word, yepsen, I like that better.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I do too. Your condescension astounds me.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: And I still think about it today. How else do
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: you handle these things? Otherwise you just lie to them
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and say you believe them. You just switch the subject.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Anyways? Was it condescending? Yes, yes it was. Yeah, you
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: don't have to lie, but.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe Okay, So this is like what I do if
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I have a different opinion than someone as I hear them,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I hear what they say, and I maybe will say like, well,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I don't believe, and maybe I would say I don't
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: believe in ghosts because of like science blah blah blah
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: doo dooo do and then but you today, But I
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: respect your opinion and your point of view and experience.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: And maybe it's like I don't be that deep either
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: though you can just I just don't really believe in that,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: but like I don't. I'm not saying you're a liar.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I just don't really believe in that. Yeah, do you
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: see how that feels a little different? Do you feel
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: how it? Did you feel the condescension leave the room?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: With that difference in phrasing, it is the condescension in
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the room with us.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: And the answer is to ask, I guess, ask more questions.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm a curious I'm a more curious
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: person maybe, but I ask people a lot of questions
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: about what they're talking to me about. So I would
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: just try to learn as much as possible.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I don't need to like be right in the situation.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: We kind of already talked about that.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and I get it some people are really
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: passionate about particular things. But what really cements for me
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: that this person like kind of is just like I
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: completely inept or actually kind of an asshole is that
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: they're like, well, I don't know, like, is that condescending?
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Should I just have lied? So your options are to
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: say something that like comes across like you think this
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: person is a fuck with or to just lie.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no in between, no other option. Well, yes,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I mean I assume it's a man. Yeah, I guess.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I don't wait, it's as Lucy. I don't know, maybe
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: it's not a man. Was the friend Lucy? Or no
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: that's the user name? Okay, Well, chicks can be dicks too,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? I don't know why
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I assumed it was a guy. I guess.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I just I feel like some of the wording does
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: kind of energy. It gives neck beard.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they still do think about it today and they
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: are asking like was I rude?
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: So maybe they maybe they're they do caybe and they're like,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: oh god, like was I an asshole? So they did
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: come on here, But the consensus is it that they're not.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: And I don't agree with that. What Yeah, it says
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: not an a hole? Okay. Well.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Reddit has a long and storied history of sometimes being
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: wrong in their verdicts.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: In case anyone was unaware. I don't know.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I do think the fact that you still think about it,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: like to me that also says like, as much as
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I was saying this person you like, your status as
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: an asshole is cemented for me because there's just like
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: no in between with you and you seem like kind
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: of ridiculous for that, the fact that you still.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Think about it makes me think there is possibly potential
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: for growth learning. That's learning. That's the most I can
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: say for you. The learning opportunity I was. I just
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: kept saying learning learning, it's a learning coptunity.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do like this one comment that says, I'm
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: not sure how to judge this, but to at least
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: one of your questions, yes, that was condescending.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, which I feel like is how you established as
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: somebody as an asshole because what did the friend do
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: that was asshole ish? So I mean it depends, I
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: guess how closely you want to follow the different guidelines
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: that typically exist for like verdicts like there can be
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: not the asshole, you're the asshole, no assholes here, everybody
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: sucks here, lots of different verdicts, and I think definitely
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: your friend's not the asshole, so.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Right, and I see a lot of people saying like
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: that that was okay to say, and like, you don't
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: this one says, oh, no, one is forced to placate
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: other people's delusions.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: That's mean. That is mean.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: So now that we know that we're not forced to
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: placate other people's delusions. God, definitely not the asshole, then
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I mean that person also sounds like an asshole. For
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: what it's worth. People on the internet. Man, it's just it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing is that is a fucking
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: bar and technically they are not wrong.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I just don't.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I just don't feel like the steaks are high enough.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I just I don't know, Man, I don't know.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think. Let us know in the comments. Do
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: you want to do one more? I think I have
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: some shorter ones. Okay, I have one more number in
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: mind at least I both. Yeah. If I have to pick,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: I know what number I would pick next? Eight? Okay?
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Am I the asshole? If I insist on believing in Bigfoot?
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know how insistent are you? Oh? God?
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like is this where like the tables turn
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: and now the paranormal person is actually the asshole?
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll see my family doesn't have faith in Bigfoot.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Well, that's just depressing. I'm so sorry. That's really diffe
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I do. I hate to see it. Well, especially if
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: you do. Yeah.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: This last weekend at a family party, folks started ridiculing
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Bigfoot believers. I suggested that there's more physical evidence for
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Bigfoot than Jesus.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Awkwardness ensued.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Grandma might have fainted. No, we're really painting a picture.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: No, did they say that that's actually in the story
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: the grandma might have fainted.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: They said grandma might have fainted.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: And when I said that Bigfoot might be Cain, they
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: took away my plate.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Wait that Bigfoot might be Cain? Yes, nope, I just
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I just got there.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Okay. I'm like, I guess it's a Bible thing. I
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: wouldn't know. Yeah, you're like, I don't know. So that's
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: the end. So what do you think are they that's.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: We're saying that there's more physical evidence for Bigfoot than Jesus.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: And they made their grandma faint.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Well, they said grandma might have fainted, might have fainted.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Might.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's a tough one. I think this goes back
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: to knowing your audience a little, right, Yeah.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I think maybe saying that Bigfoot might be Caine was
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: like maybe a step too far.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be a bridge too far.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much physical like evidence there is
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: for either of these individuals, to be honest, I don't
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know that there's I'm sure, I'm sure there
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: are people that think there is physical evidence for either
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: one of like and very passionately that I maybe would
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: not consider physical evidence.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: That there's a whole Bigfoot museum full of evidence. Uh huh?
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Is there a Jesus museum full of and there's there's
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of mega churches. We're going to do a
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: quick Google search for.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, physical evidence of the existence of Bigfoot. Google says
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: physical evidence for Bigfoot is anecdotal and inconclusive, consisting mainly
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: of blurry photos, slash videos like the Patterson Gimblin film,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: large footprint footprint casts often debunked or identified as known animals,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: alleged hair slash scat samples usually deer or bear, and vocalizations,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: but scientific consensus finds no concrete proof, with most findings
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: attributable to folklore, misidentification, or hoaxes, though some researchers cite
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: unique features in tracks like the Skukum cast as potential evidence.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: We don't know if it's physical, real physical evidence or not.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: It's it's not been clarified.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: So it's possible that there is more physical evidence of
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Big With than Jesus.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: We don't know.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Do you want me to read the overview for Jesus. Yes,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: there is no definitive, direct physical evidence in parentheses like
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: a photograph, DNA, or personal artifact of Jesus, as peasants
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: from that era rarely left such records, but historians rely
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: on literary evidence and artifacts from the time to confirm
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: a historical figure named Jesus likely existed, and his baptism
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: and crucifixion being widely accepted historical events, while claims of
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: relics like the Shroud of Turin lacks scientific consensus. That
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: was the first thing that popped into my head. I
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: was like, Oh, I know the shrouds. I know we're
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: going to talk.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: About the shrouds. I don't know that. I don't know that.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: It's not important, it's not evidence of anything like, So.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, Big Book could be Jesus Jesus could be Bigfoot.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that that. I don't think we
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: have to draw a parallels or like, I think sometimes
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: it's okay to put the red string down, like they
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: are both equally elusive individuals, and that might be where
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: the similarities begin to sort of break off and diverge.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, but if there was, if there was such a thing,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: would we call him Big Jesus or Jesus' foot? Ooh,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: big Jesus Foot. You know what, I think we're going
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: to have Jesus workshop it if you'll be JAJJ Big Jesus. No,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: he's just going by BJ.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I just think sometimes I just I want to ask
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: people why why why why do we have to bring
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: up these topics with people that you know, very in
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: very specifically have contradictory or or like opposite end of
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: the spectrum views. And yeah, it's I would argue in
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: most cases, whether you believe more strongly in Jesus or Bigfoot.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: As long as you're not pushing it on anyone else,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: that's fine. Believe what you want to believe.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: But I do think the principle of like trying to
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: force your beliefs on someone else it applies to you
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: over there too, squatch, So yeah, I agree. I don't
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: know that they're really like being as pushy in the
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: way that we're familiar with typically evangelicals behaving here.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: There couldn't be some evangelical bigfooters out there. I love
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: that for them. Well, I want someone to.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Draw us artwork of big Jesus, so get on that
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: mail us. I like this one person's call that says
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: it's an asshole moved to belittle someone else's beliefs, be
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: that big Boot or Jesus.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: And I agree with that. That's what I said.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, that's yeah, basically what you said. But
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: he said it in like two sentences and with less.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Uh no, that was perfect. Okay, Yeah, so they were
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: considered not the asshole, which I feel like, maybe everyone's
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: an asshole in this situation.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I would say, I don't know. I actually think this
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: is a better example. And and I've heard other shows
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: talk about this. There's sort of a paradox of like,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: is it no assholes here versus everybody sucks?
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: And I don't think, oh right, everybody sucks.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really think that everybody sucks here.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Probably not Grandma thought she just might have fainted. She
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: probably didn't have anything to.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Do with it.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is more of a no assholes here,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: because you guys just have like very diametrically opposed belief systems.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, heavily disagreed. Do you remember the
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: last sentence Okay, yeah, when I said that they took
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: away my plate. You don't like someone's food.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't hear that they took away as plate.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't hear that.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: You don't fuck with No, I don't walk with someone's food.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I feel like this is that episode of Friends where
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: it's like Joey doesn't share food.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, I don't care if you don't believe in Jesus.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Don't take somebody's plate.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Actually that kind of pushes me in the
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: other direction. I kind of almost think maybe I mentioned
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: the paradox right, but actually this kind of pushes me
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: to everybody sucks.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, because I mean I don't necessarily think like
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: the Bigfoot believer was kind of just getting defensive because
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: they were picking up I'm saying that's big.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Footb Well, but like you said, then you go and
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: pick that the cane and abel thing.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: I don't give a shit you. I thought it was hilarious.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: But if you know that you are in a group
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: of religious people and this is something that they revere
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: and is important to them, and you say that, I
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: don't know, man, they definitely think you're an asshole.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Obviously they took your plate. They took your plate, but like, yeah,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: don't take plate, So that's not nice. Yeah, that's me
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: to eat.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: You know, starvation is not a punishment. Okay, we've talked
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: about this.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, it is a punishment, but it's against the
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Geneva convention.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Right, it's not an acceptable punishment. Yeah, that was from
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: user you loose gum by the way.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: You loose gum.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, what if you only let someone eat haunted pickles?
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Here you get a play to haunted pickles? Okay, I
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: have one more short? When should we do it?
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Definitely it is from user ever Abe Okay, like Abe
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Lincoln the Vampire Hunter?
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Right, Okay?
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Am I the asshole for letting my eleven year old
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: son go around town wearing a Michael Myers mask carrying
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: a butter knife. Yeah, I don't know, I know the title.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: I say, no, Well, okay, I need info though, because
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: as someone who was definitely chased by a terrifying child
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: with a weapon in their neighborhood, listen, not everything is
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: a boys will be voice situation, and we have to
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: stop saying that.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, no, yeah, no one will be by you
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: guys like I'm here. Oh, I didn't know this would
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: be so triggering for you.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: I know, I know who could have known because I
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: just normally come across a so well adjusted.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: So my son loves costumes, special effects, makeup, et cetera,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I said, etcetera, etcetera.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: We'll just leave it, that's fine.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: This morning, he wore his Michael Myers latex mask and
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: carried a dull butter knife to go stand in front
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: of the neighbor's house to be spooky.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm gonna let you finish.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: The neighbor knows my son well and thought it was hysterical,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: sent me pictures. It entertained their children as well.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm like, that's fine if it was just
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: if it was it's your asshole neighbor and you're like, hey, kid,
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: just go be creepy.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, this could really go It could go
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: very differently.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Then, I got a message from another neighbor about how
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: terrifying and disturbing my eleven year old son's behavior was.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: They live right next to the neighbor who was amused
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: and saw my son in passing.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Really is it that bad? Okay?
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: So the specific neighbor that he's like standing outside, like
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: in front of their house, they think it's funny.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Okay. So I feel like that's a point. That's a
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: point in your column.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I will say, it's a dull butter knife, okay. So
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: that's that's certainly better than like a cleaver, obviously, but
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: it is still a knife.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: I feel thinking, I feel as though we could probably.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Resolve at least a portion of what's bothersome about this
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: by maybe maybe a rubber knife.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're like, you know, something that looks real fake? Yes, yeah,
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know. What do you think?
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I yeah, I don't know, because that's it's hard because
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: it's a kid. So like the Yeah, like you said,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: even though it was a dull knife, like, the kid
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: still has a weapon.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: You can poke somebody's.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Eye out with that, Yeah, exactly, You're gonna take somebody's
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: eye out with that, clerk.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: But I'm just picturing like you know what if the
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: cops were rolling down the street and like you see
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: this kid with a knife and then they're like, hey, kid,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: drop the weapon, and like the kid doesn't know what's
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: going on, and all of a sudden, the kid gets
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: shot and that's America.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's very true. I feel like.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of variables that can introduce like literal,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: actual physical danger in this situation. So that's that's definitely
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: something I thought about as well. I think because it's
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: like an eleven year old.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to believe that everybody can.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Understand that this is like a literal child dressed up
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: or whatever. But it's also not Halloween, correct, Like it's
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: it doesn't say yeah, I.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Feel like that would have been mentioned. When was it posted?
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: You have any idea? But Halloween is all the time.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: It's five years ago, it says.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, it's always Halloween in our hearts. But you
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: know that's kind of the day where you can probably
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have the highest chance of success with something
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: like this.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe like not Halloween. Do it in your backyard,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: you know, also in your window.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, or or you go and knock on their
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: door because that's the neighbor that's chill, and they think
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: it's funny and they get you guys, so like you
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: go and knock on their door and see my costume. Yeah,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: and then and then yeah, maybe going I don't know,
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: that's I don't think they're the asshole.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: I'm really curious what it had to say. Nosy neighbors
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: just irritate just so I feel out of here Karen
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Susan's mind. Okay, I'm weird though, So I'm like, if
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: I saw that, I would think it was hilarious, but
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: it really depends. It really depends.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like is this my little neighbor kid that I
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: know loves like scary movies. Yeah, then that's hilarious and adorable.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: But I guess if you don't know, do I know
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: this child going on? Like have I never met this
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: child before? Am I gonna look out the window and
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: think it's like an actual black eyed child? You know,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: like black eyed children.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Like email us. I don't know.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: I just feel I do feel like, you know, how
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: things are received matters, But also I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: fairness to considering, like what was the intent too, especially
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  Speaker 2: for a child, because I don't think there's any actual
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  Speaker 2: harm that's come from this, but I could be wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It happened that one other time.
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  Speaker 3: It was funny. Yeah, just the ones, just the ones.
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  Speaker 1: So Reddit agrees seems to agree that they are the asshole.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, who's they the neighbor or the poster, the poster,
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  Speaker 2: the op they said, oh p was the asshole. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was a lot of what we were saying.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I don't think they're really the asshole. This person says,
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  Speaker 1: my uncle has PTSD from a really bad home invasion
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  Speaker 1: years ago, and someone standing outside his home with a
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  Speaker 1: mask could very well be triggering for him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. I don't think they're the asshole though.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So I would be like, if you keep
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  Speaker 1: doing if you continue to do this, you might be
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  Speaker 1: the asshole. But like, yeah, once someone has brought to
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  Speaker 1: your attention that it creep out or like made them
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  Speaker 1: scared or uncomfortable, yeah, then you know, maybe don't do
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  Speaker 1: it again or you you know. I think the worst
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  Speaker 1: part about it is the butter knife, Like, even though
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  Speaker 1: it's dull, Like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think even a butter knife, I just
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I would have yeah, I just
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  Speaker 2: don't know that that's the best idea in the grand
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  Speaker 2: scheme of things.
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  Speaker 3: Is that really that threatening? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You like, every individual person is potentially gonna like interpret
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  Speaker 2: that differently.
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  Speaker 3: I've been chased with like a hammer. Ooh.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, I look at this and go like
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  Speaker 2: actually thinking about like neighbor kids that I grew up with.
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  Speaker 2: I know there are kids that we grew up with
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  Speaker 2: in our neighborhood that I would have been like, this
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  Speaker 2: is hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: And then there are kids.
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  Speaker 2: That I would be like, oh my god, someone get
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  Speaker 2: out of camera because we're like, if we survive, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna release this, you know, indie film, indie.
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  Speaker 3: Horror film, like uh, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds terrible, but like I don't know, it depends
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  Speaker 2: on the rapport and like what you know about this person.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they're an asshole. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I don't think they're an asshole for
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  Speaker 1: just there an asshole.
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  Speaker 2: If they keep doing it, probably yeah, I agree with you, And.
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  Speaker 1: I would say definitely like maybe not even a fake weapon,
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  Speaker 1: like maybe just no no weapons, you know, like it's
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  Speaker 1: just well, because people just don't know, right.
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  Speaker 2: I do think that the mask is scary enough if
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  Speaker 2: there's no weapon, Like, maybe that's a good compromise. I
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  Speaker 2: do think it's something where I don't know how much
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: how well do you know your neighbors? How much do
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  Speaker 2: you care about the rapport that you have with them?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it's worth having a conversation with them about and
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  Speaker 2: saying so sorry if like that upset you. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to get into anything with me that
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  Speaker 2: you're not comfortable with, But like, would it bother you
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  Speaker 2: if you know? I don't know, maybe you can find
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  Speaker 2: some sort of like a middle ground where I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know how often is this kid gonna do this? It
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  Speaker 3: sounds like yeah, kind of like that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. And if he's constantly dressing up like
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  Speaker 2: some sort of horrifying character, that might be different.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: If he's just going to the neighbor's house who they're
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  Speaker 1: friends with and stare steering into their windows, I don't
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  Speaker 1: see anything wrong with that. Yeah, being creepy outside, Like,
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  Speaker 1: don't go to your other neighbors who you know don't
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  Speaker 1: like it, go.
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  Speaker 3: I mean your windows.
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  Speaker 2: The tough thing is is that it's like it's a
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  Speaker 2: public sidewalk, public street. Yeah, and so that goes both
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  Speaker 2: ways because you can do what you want to a
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  Speaker 2: point on a public sidewalk or whatever, But that also
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: means that other people can see you. So you you
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  Speaker 2: might have intended this for only that neighbor that you
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: guys have go relationship with, but anybody else who looks
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  Speaker 2: out their window is seeing it. So it's worth it's
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  Speaker 2: worth at least considering.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, definitely weaponless, go weaponless.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like weaponless is probably the way to go. Yeah,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: for so many reasons.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah, yeah, And a lot of people said,
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  Speaker 1: like if it were Halloween, that would be different, but
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  Speaker 1: I would still say maybe no.
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  Speaker 2: Weapon even on Halloween, that is not without potential hazard.
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  Speaker 3: I would say, I think you're right.
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  Speaker 2: I think weaponless almost regardless if any of the other
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  Speaker 2: circumstances is probably the way to go. I know that
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  Speaker 2: seems like so I don't know. Part of me is
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: it's so lame, But whatever.
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  Speaker 1: This is what like I was concerned about. I have
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  Speaker 1: no idea if this is true or not. It's just
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  Speaker 1: somebody's comment. Oh it says we live in a world.
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  Speaker 3: Where cops shot and killed a kid with a gun,
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  Speaker 3: a toy gun missing. Oh it was missing the orange chip.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it's that it had the orange chip on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh right, so like but yeah, because that's what we
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  Speaker 2: tell them, that it's a toy and it's.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Like all they see is metal.
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  Speaker 2: You could still step someone, even with adult knife. I
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  Speaker 2: would argue it would be worse to step out. Oh god, Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't really see this taking a true crime bent,
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  Speaker 2: but here we are.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're welcome. Okay, so yeah, thanks so much.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: I pulled out my This is one of the Christmas
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: gifts that you get Toma. It's my little Leo pocket zodiac.
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  Speaker 2: It has forty magical messages from the stars.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. Let's care one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, should I do which category? So I can do love,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: career well being or family well being?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that's good for an am.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I the asshole segment segment episode I mean to say, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see. Okay, I'm reading two of them.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing any of you can do to stop me,
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  Speaker 2: but I dare you to try.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's a woman like sitting in a tree. And then
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: there's this one she's like putting on makeup.
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  Speaker 3: I'll have to take it. I'll have to take a
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  Speaker 3: picture of these.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, is the woman in the tree because she tripped
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  Speaker 1: on a log, the bark eater, the.
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  Speaker 3: Bark eater.
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  Speaker 2: Hope she's eating bark and haunted pickles. Okay, love yourself.
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  Speaker 2: The famous psychologist James Hellman's said beauty is something everybody
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: longs for. The soul yearns for it. Psychology seems to
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  Speaker 2: have forgotten that. However, you haven't forgotten about beauty. It's
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: an intrinsic need in your vision of life. Love yourself
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  Speaker 2: to heal yourself feels like very New Year's resolution.
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  Speaker 3: It does. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I remember kind of thumbing through the deck and thinking like, wow,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: this is like the timing of this is very It
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: feels very right.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, and the second one I'm gonna read is good Life.
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  Speaker 2: Did you know that there is a frog in southern
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Africa that is seemingly the saddest animal.
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  Speaker 3: In the world. Oh, I know why. I own know.
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  Speaker 3: It has a downturned snout and only comes out of
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  Speaker 3: its den when it rains.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Oh I know it's gonna cut.
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  Speaker 3: I'm only happy when it rains. I live like seeing
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  Speaker 3: and then that song.
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  Speaker 2: If it's true that we often need a mirror to
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  Speaker 2: understand what we don't want to be, then you need
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  Speaker 2: to mirror yourself in this frog and be the complete opposite.
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  Speaker 2: So don't be the saddest frog in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Don't be like condescending, don't or sha your opinions on
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: everyone else.
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  Speaker 3: Like if you don't like it.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like kind of what we were talking about through
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  Speaker 1: all these people who didn't believe people's stories and we're
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: kind of rude about it. Yeah, grass frogs are green,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: and so are pickles. That's true. And if there's moss
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: on the bark, then so is bark.
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  Speaker 3: Which one was that? Was that the tree one or
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: the makeup? The makeup one was first that you read?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the makeup one was the one I read first,
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  Speaker 2: and the one with the frog is the tree one?
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  Speaker 3: Ah yeah, okay, I think that's cute. What was the
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: first one? Again? Love yourself?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, So I was thinking like, even if
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: you're an asshole, you should love yourself because only through love.
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  Speaker 3: Because you're the only one that will if you keep
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: active with that. Hey, I was trying to be nice.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: I would say only through love will your heart grow
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  Speaker 3: three times? But it's not Christmas. Ah, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: No, I do think you know, self love is important,
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  Speaker 2: and I do think that probably if you try to
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: exhibit some of those qualities, you might find yourself also
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: being kinder to other people. I don't know, or maybe
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: you're just human trash.
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  Speaker 3: I'd rather be big Jesus. Yeah, b joke, Joe, all right,
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  Speaker 3: should we uh end this? Yeah? Asshole? Soowed have fastic
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  Speaker 3: See you next Thursday. Tuesday.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: I had it wrong, I know, I said. As soon
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  Speaker 1: as it was coming out of my mouth, I was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's not right. And I'm also waving at nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Old habits are hard to break. You know, it's been
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: a struggle for us. Transition is difficult. Okay, everybody struggles
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  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 3: But we can do it. We might do it.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know, like we already did it though we
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: already switched to Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: We did Okay, we did it. We did it. We
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  Speaker 3: did it. I thought you just meant life in general
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: we can do and I was like, we're doing it.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: That might be doing it. That's less certain, but Thursdays
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: we already did. Yeah. Yeah, unless it turns into a Friday. Yeah,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: who knows