Latest / The Daily Ripples Podcast / WAVE: Big Book Study with Corey Session Ten - We Agnostics Part 2
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- 0:03Hey guys, this is the Wave Book Study and uh, we are in we agnostics on page 52.
- 0:12We just read last week, 44 through 52.
- 0:16And for me, um, other people can break it up, however, but I really like 52 and my 1st sponsor.
- 0:27Man, he made me read like 52 for that page for months, not a month, probably one month.
- 0:34I'm an exaggerator.
- 0:35Um, but you know, I'll tell you, you know, it's funny because when I went back out.
- 0:40Um, this one page, I could recite.
- 0:45I could recite this to you because it, it means a lot.
- 0:48I mean, you know, and it, so, and what we, we've already read, um, the talking about the longshoreman last week and we read about the bedevilments, but, you know, I think the bedevilments deserve another, for me to talk about just one more time because like the bedevilments,
- 1:05I don't have to be drunk.
- 1:06For the bedevilments to be going on in my life.
- 1:11No, I might have talked about this, who knows, but this is a new week.
- 1:16Because different things in here, right?
- 1:19Trouble with personal relationships.
- 1:21Well, I sure can have trouble and personal relationships with just no alcohol.
- 1:26Um, I was couldn't control my emotional natures.
- 1:30I've done that without alcohol in my system as well.
- 1:32Praying to misery and depression, done that.
- 1:36Couldn't make a living.
- 1:36See, I did all these things before I took a drink.
- 1:39Um, And, you know, so when the alcohol came into my life,
- 1:45Well, you know, I took a drink early on, I was 13 when I took my 1st drink, but, you know, couldn't make a living, right?
- 1:52You know, well, my living at the time was going to school and I did not do that well.
- 1:56But after I started drinking, you know, I didn't really care either that I didn't do well in school, um, pray to misery and depression.
- 2:05Well, I wasn't I wasn't miserable and depressed.
- 2:07Um, trouble with personal relationships.
- 2:10They were great.
- 2:11Um, full of fear.
- 2:13didn't have much.
- 2:14You know, so when, like when the alcohol, that was my solution to these things.
- 2:18And these are...
- 2:19I mean, These are the human problems.
- 2:22I mean, in my, and, you know, it's really cool, the way this page, you know, I talked about it last week, but this page, and the promises, the 9th step promises.
- 2:33These are the, the, the, the nice step promises are the, the promises to the bedevilments, and it's really cool how that aligns if you ever sit down and, you know, put a, put the promise and put the bedevilment beside it.
- 2:45It's really cool because it all lines up.
- 2:47Uh, But so we are on uh, 52.
- 2:52At 2nd to last paragraph when it says, when we saw others solve their problems by simple reliance upon the spirit of the universe, we had to stop doubting the power of God.
- 3:04Our ideas did not work, but the God idea did.
- 3:08So I think like, you know, these are, I got these like, different places I come to and like, kind of thoughts, you know, but so are your ideas working, you know, what our mind right now and, um, and then, but does the guy idea work?
- 3:26And in my life, I'll tell you, the gun idea does work.
- 3:29God works with me, and I found that to stay true today, and um, if you're not at that crossroad, I mean, uh, we're going to get to that, you know, next week, but, you know, in the original manuscript, it says, you know, you come to this position, and it says, you know, reread this book or throw it away.
- 3:51You know, and I, you come, I come down to all these crossroads in this book and I think, you know, while you, when you do, you got to ask yourselves, like, you know, is your ideas working?
- 4:02Anyways, back to the text.
- 4:04It says the Wright brother's almost childish faith that they could build a machine.
- 4:09Which would fly was the mainspring of their accomplishment.
- 4:13Without that, nothing could have happened.
- 4:15We agnostics and atheists were sticking to the idea that self-sufficiency would solve our problems.
- 4:22When others showed us that God's sufficiency worked, with them, we began to feel like those who had insisted the rights would never fly.
- 4:31Logic is great stuff.
- 4:33And, you know, and it's really cool.
- 4:35So like, I highlight, I have a couple things highlighted through here and I'm just going to show you and do what you will, but logic is great stuff is highlighted in my book.
- 4:45We liked it.
- 4:46We still liked it.
- 4:47It is not by chance we were given the, and I have power to reason, highlight it as well.
- 4:53And we'll get to that why.
- 4:55To examine the evidence of our senses and to draw conclusions.
- 4:59This is one of man's magnificent attributes.
- 5:02We agnostically acclined, would not feel satisfied with a proposal which does not lend itself to reasonable approach and interpretation.
- 5:11Hence, we are at pains to tell why we think our present faith is reasonable, while we think it is more sane and logical to believe than not to believe.
- 5:21While we say our former thinking was solved in most people, we threw up our hands and down and said, we don't know.
- 5:27And that's not a bad position to say we don't know.
- 5:30And I think that's like, so that's the agnostic, that's the whole, that's the whole definition of we agnostics.
- 5:38We don't know.
- 5:39But then, like, so this next paragraph I have highlighted in pink and this is a, uh, this is the 1st, I mean, this is, this is the 2nd step, right?
- 5:51This is the 2nd part of the 2nd step.
- 5:53It says, when we became alcoholic, crushed by self-imposed crisis.
- 5:59We could not postpone or evade.
- 6:01We had to fiercely, fearlessly face the proposition that either God is everything or else he is nothing.
- 6:07God either is or he isn't.
- 6:09What was our choice to be?
- 6:10Well, I think about like, what's, you know, when I when did I become alcoholic?
- 6:16Well, I became alcoholic.
- 6:19On page 30.
- 6:21And it says, when we learned that we had to fully concede to our innermost cells that we were alcoholics.
- 6:28That's when I 1st, that's when I concede, and it's not when I got to that page, of course not.
- 6:34I mean, you can be drunk and find out you're an alcoholic.
- 6:38You don't have to be sitting here reading this book with me.
- 6:40You're reading this book just in general to find out you're an alcoholic.
- 6:44I mean, I probably could see it very early on.
- 6:47Um, and my drinking, you know, it took, It took a main part of my life very early on as well, though.
- 6:55Um, So, you know, and crushed by a self-imposed crisis, I could not postpone or evade this, right?
- 7:03It's, and go back and you can mark in your book and you don't have to either, but on page 25.
- 7:11We read this and it says, if you were seriously alcohol because we were, we believe there's no middle of the road solution.
- 7:18We were in a position where life was becoming impossible.
- 7:22And if we had passed into the region from which there is no return through human aid.
- 7:27We had but 2 alternatives.
- 7:29One was to go to the better end, botting out the consciousness of our intolerable situation as best we could.
- 7:36So that's one of the, you know, options, right?
- 7:38And the other was to accept spiritual help.
- 7:40So that's with them self-imposed crisis.
- 7:43I can't postpone Rev eight.
- 7:45So now it says we had to fearlessly face the proposition that either God is everything or else he is nothing.
- 7:51God either is or he isn't.
- 7:54What was our choice to be?
- 7:56So, I, um, you know, I, I, you can, I kind of look at this in so many different ways, um, My personal, my, uh, my experience was over time of, uh, before I came back in these rooms and started doing this stuff.
- 8:16Um, I, uh, there was many nights, many days, many times in jails.
- 8:23I said, man, I'm tired.
- 8:24I'm tired of living this way.
- 8:25I want to be soap.
- 8:28And, um, and I prayed, and I prayed, you know, just forgot to watch over me and all these different things. And, you know, but what's really cool is like, I believe in that God is everything. And, you know, part, you know, it wasn't at the end of my drinking, but pretty close to the end of my drinking.
- 8:46Um, the SWAT team came to my house.
- 8:50And if you'd asked me that if that was God at that time, I would have thought you were crazy.
- 8:56But God can, you know, if God's everything, God can form in different ways and come in different ways.
- 9:01It's not going to usually be the way it's, you know, wrapped in a present and I get it.
- 9:06I'm not going to like that wrapping paper, right?
- 9:09It's not going to be neat enough for me.
- 9:10It's not going to be the kind of wrapping paper I like.
- 9:13But the present I got inside is indescribably wonderful.
- 9:17I was reading this with a guy.
- 9:19Probably about a year ago, and we were reading this part, and, you know, I came to this position, you know, he's got either everything or has got nothing.
- 9:28And he goes, well, you know, he used to look at me and he goes, well, I believe, you know, the devil made me do that stuff. And I looked at him, and I said, well, do you think the devil made me?
- 9:39Lie, cheat, steal, put my hands on different people and, you know, hurt people and put people in his harm's way and this and that and that he said, yes.
- 9:49And then I looked at him and I asked him, I said, you know, do you think God is right here?
- 9:56And he said, yeah, because this is good.
- 9:58And I told him, and I said, well, everything that happened to me out there was for me to be right here.
- 10:07And, um, uh, you know, so, and I don't believe you got to go do all that stuff to be a good person either, you know, that's just, this has been my path.
- 10:15And, um, So, you know, do I believe God is everything or God's nothing?
- 10:20I was just not a little bit for me and my wife and God becomes more and more, but this is just a proposition, right?
- 10:26This is not, you know, come into this and, you know, if you don't want it to do that, that's cool too.
- 10:32And I believe, you know, and people would argue the fact this with me, but you can just take this book at this and say, God's nothing.
- 10:42And do this, but still do the work. And let's see what happens afterwards.
- 10:47It says arriving at this point, we were squarely confronted with the question of faith.
- 10:52We couldn't duct the issue.
- 10:54Some of us have already walked far over the bridge of reason.
- 11:00So, you know, the reason I had you highlight at the top, because it says power to reason, logic is great stuff, right?
- 11:06to the toward the desired shore of faith.
- 11:09You know, because I had to have some reasoning for this too.
- 11:13And like, I think that's important to point out.
- 11:16Like, you know, I, if God's everything, you know, God's and reason as well.
- 11:19I mean, that makes sense to me.
- 11:21The allies in the promise of the new land.
- 11:24So if you look at, that's cool, right?
- 11:26Because, like, Bridge of Reason and new land, you know, that's that's pointing out higher power, because it's capitalized in the middle of the sentence, had brought luster to tire eyes and fresh courage to flagging spirits.
- 11:40Friendly hands had stretched out and welcomed.
- 11:43We were grateful that reason had brought us so far, but somehow we couldn't quite step ashore.
- 11:49Perhaps we had been leaning too heavily on a reason that last mile we did not like to lose our support.
- 11:57And that's like, you know, that's important.
- 11:59I got that highlighted right there because that's important, right?
- 12:02Perhaps I've been leaning too heavily on a reason the last mile.
- 12:05What about the 1st part of the mile?
- 12:07What, you know, I got presented this opportunity and this and this and this, and now we're going to take the range, right?
- 12:12Because I got this because my track record shows I got this.
- 12:17and it really doesn't.
- 12:18But that's just, you know, this is just how I'm kind of reading this out, but it's cool.
- 12:23So back to the text, that was natural, but let us think a little more closely.
- 12:28Without knowing it, we had not been brought to where we stood by a certain kind of faith.
- 12:35For did we not believe in our own reasoning?
- 12:38Did we not have confidence in our ability to think? What was that but a sort of faith?
- 12:44Yes, we have been faithfully, objectively faithful, the God of reason.
- 12:48And if you read that, like, if you're reading along, that objective, objectively is totally, right?
- 12:55So it says, yes, we have been faithful, totally faithful to the God of reason.
- 13:01So in one way or the other.
- 13:03We discovered that faith had been involved in all the time.
- 13:06So yeah, I mean, did I have faith in my own reasoning?
- 13:10We found, too, that we've been worshipers.
- 13:14What a state of mental goose flesh that used to bring on.
- 13:18Had we not fearlessly worship people, sediment, things, money in ourselves?
- 13:23And then with a better moment, uh, motive, had we not worshipably, fully beheld the sunset of the sea or a flower?
- 13:32Who of us did not love something or somebody?
- 13:36And I have all that capitalized.
- 13:37I got a little star over there because, you know, I like to think about that.
- 13:42Do I have faith that that check's going to hit every week, right?
- 13:45Do I have faith in my employer is not going to go out of business and am I going to get that paycheck?
- 13:51Do I have faith that the woman I love in acting, you know, like she says?
- 14:00I mean, you know, and I come in.
- 14:01I've done this for my whole life, right?
- 14:03Do I have faith?
- 14:04You're going to be there when I pull up? Or are you going to be late?
- 14:07Right?
- 14:09And so I come into these things, and you know, usually, and that's the thing of reason because you told me so.
- 14:16So because you told me, now I have faith in you.
- 14:20But how well is your track record too?
- 14:22How well is mine?
- 14:24And so like, you know, I look at this and I think, you know, well, maybe I have had some sort of faith my whole life, faith in people, faith in anything, right?
- 14:36You know, faith in just let me wake up and or no, will not let me wake up.
- 14:41Let me lay down on this bed and it be as comfortable as it was the night before.
- 14:45Every day.
- 14:47Um. So back to the text, and we're on page the page 54.
- 14:53How much did these feelings, these loves, these worships have to do with pure reason?
- 14:58Little or nothing, we saw at last.
- 15:00Were not these things, the tissue out of which our lives were constructed?
- 15:04Did not these feelings, so the feelings I have circled right here, because it's kind of, that's what we've been.
- 15:09been basing my life off for a long time.
- 15:11After all, determine the course of our existence.
- 15:14It was impossible to say we had no capacity for faith or love or worship in one form or another.
- 15:20We had been living by faith in little else.
- 15:24Imagine life without face where nothing left but pure reason.
- 15:28It wouldn't be life.
- 15:30But we believed in life.
- 15:32Of course we did.
- 15:32We cannot prove life in the sense that you can prove a straight line in the shortest distance between 2 points, yet there it was.
- 15:39Could we still say that the whole thing was nothing but a massive electrons?
- 15:44created out of nothing, meaning nothing, whirling at the destiny and nothingness?
- 15:48Of course we could.
- 15:49The electrons themselves seem more intelligent than that, at least so the chemist says.
- 15:55Hence, we saw that reason is in everything, how that highlighted.
- 16:01Neither is reason, as most of us use it, entirely dependable, though the name made from our best minds.
- 16:08What about people who prove that man could never fly?
- 16:11Yet we have been seeing another kind of flight.
- 16:15A spiritual liberation from this world, people who rose above their problems, they say that God made these things possible, and we only smiled.
- 16:24We had seen spiritual release.
- 16:26But like to ourselves it wasn't true.
- 16:28So, you know, when I, man, when I go, you know, I think of greatest, you know, the greatest representation, a step two.
- 16:37is when I walk into an alcoholics anonymous meeting for me.
- 16:41Not all of them, of course, and that's kind of, you know, a downfall of AA, I guess, in some areas.
- 16:48You know, but for the most part, when I go in, I find some guys that have recovered some from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body.
- 16:56So when I come into that position in step two, right, came to believe that a power greater than myself could restore me to sanity, well, that sanity, right, I had to know I was insane to get there.
- 17:08If I know I'm insane, 1st step.
- 17:11And I go to step two.
- 17:13Well, I come to believe that this power that you people are talking about could restore me to sanity.
- 17:19And I've been seeing that. And I see it day to day.
- 17:21I don't even have to go there.
- 17:23You know, I see it in the real world when I open my eyes a little bit.
- 17:27Back to the text and we're on page 55.
- 17:30Actually, actually, we were fooling ourselves for deep down in every man, woman and child is the fundamental idea God.
- 17:37I have that highlighted and underlined.
- 17:40That's important to me.
- 17:41It may be obscured by calamity, by pump, by worship.
- 17:47And I have those, because what we talked about on the pages before, right?
- 17:51We talked about different things that, you know, can block me from that.
- 17:58So here's some more calamity by pump, by worship, you know, disaster and ego, right?
- 18:03That's what we're talking about here of other things.
- 18:06I can worship my job, right?
- 18:08I can worship a woman.
- 18:09I can worship anything.
- 18:11of other things, but in some form or the other, it is there, for faith and a power greater than ourselves, and a miraculous demonstration of that power and human lives are facts as old as man himself.
- 18:24We finally saw that faith in some kind of God was a part of our makeup, just as much as the feeling we have for a friend.
- 18:32And this is the rest of this paragraph I've kept, or highlighted in underline, because this is important when we get on a little, get on a little bit further through the work.
- 18:42Says sometimes we had to search fearlessly, but he was there.
- 18:46He was as much effect as we were.
- 18:49We found a great reality deep down within us.
- 18:53So that tells me where God is, deep down within me.
- 18:55And that is the most important one of the most important statements in this book, right?
- 19:00Because I want to look in every which place in books and churches and this and that and that, and then it's telling me right here that the great reality is deep down within me.
- 19:11And that's important.
- 19:13And that's really important. And I don't know, you know, I think it is, it's a good place to look at this.
- 19:19It's really important to me.
- 19:21That's deep down within me, and you can write this in your books, if you're, if you're just listening along, that's okay too. To write page 64 in here.
- 19:31Because when I look at page 64,
- 19:33It says right here it says, though our decision was a vital and crucial step, it could have little permanent effect unless followed by a strenuous effort to face and be read of the things in ourselves which have been blocking us. Well, blocking us from what?
- 19:48God.
- 19:49Well, if God's deep down within me.
- 19:52And I'm getting the stuff out to block him.
- 19:56And I got this other stuff that's deep down within me too, that I've been pushing down my whole life.
- 20:01Anyway, so that's, you know, and I think that that's how that connects to me, and it's really important.
- 20:07It says it back in the text on 55,
- 20:10It says in the last analysis, it is only there that he may be found.
- 20:13It was so with us.
- 20:16We can only clear the ground a bit.
- 20:19If our testimony helps sweep away prejudice, enables you to think honestly, encourage you to search diligently within yourself.
- 20:25Then, if you wish, you can join us on the broad highway. And I have this whole paragraph highlighting and paint too.
- 20:34Because it's a promise, right?
- 20:35You can join us on this broad highway with this attitude.
- 20:38You cannot fail.
- 20:40The consciousness of your belief is sure to come to you.
- 20:43And so we're about to, uh, talk about this guy and he's an important figure in the, uh, In the book and what's FitzMayo.
- 20:54And so this example is about this guy, and so it says in this book, you will read the experience of a man who thought he was an atheist.
- 21:04His story is so interesting that some of it should be told now.
- 21:08His change of heart was dramatic, convincing, and moving.
- 21:13And I think, you know, that word right there and dramatic is important because that's the difference in between spiritual experience and the spiritual awakening. And it's in the back of the book and talking about spiritual experience.
- 21:23And, you know, but a spiritual experience is sudden and a spiritual awakening happens over a little bit in a time.
- 21:28The way the book explains it.
- 21:30Um, where that comes from, and it's really cool.
- 21:34It comes from, uh,
- 21:37Uh, what am I?
- 21:39I drew a blank.
- 21:41um, varieties of religious experience, this book and that this book kind of like, you know, brought into that.
- 21:47But, you know, the way, and there's 2 words that I just can't think of the words for some reason.
- 21:51Anyways, but the way old medicine worked was like, you know, so say you get a fever.
- 21:57Well, so say that fever, they get the medicines and that fever breaks right away.
- 22:04Well, there was a word for that, and there was a word for it broke over time. Because, you know, it was a big deal to get a fever then, right?
- 22:12You died.
- 22:13And you know, if we go back and this is an important connection to me, it says, like, you know, it talks a lot.
- 22:20We talked a lot about the alcoholic die, death and all this stuff.
- 22:24And we're talking about spiritual awakening, spiritual experience.
- 22:28It says if on page 44.
- 22:30When you honestly want to, you finally cannot quit entirely.
- 22:32Or with drinking, you have little control over the map you take.
- 22:36You're probably alcoholic.
- 22:37If that be the case, you may be suffering from an illness, illness, which only a spiritual experience will conquer.
- 22:45So this is important, right?
- 22:46The old medicine, this, this.
- 22:49And I just think, you know, the only thing we should be talking about today is how to help the newcomers, how the spiritual experience or spiritual awakening.
- 23:00Because that solves my, that conquers this illness, right?
- 23:04And I think what else are we doing here?
- 23:08Anyways, on top of page 56.
- 23:12Our friend was a minister's son.
- 23:15He attended church school where he became rebellious at what he thought an overdose of religious education.
- 23:20For years thereafter, he was dogged by trouble and frustration, business failure, insanity, fatal illness, suicide, these calamities, and his immediate embittered and depressed him.
- 23:33Postwar disillusionment, even more serious alcoholism, impending mental and physical collapse, brought him to the point of self destruction.
- 23:43One night confined in a hospital, he was approached, and I think you should underly an approach right there because it says, so that's saying that he was in the hospital and he was approached by an alcoholic.
- 23:58So somebody went and approached him, and that's an important thing in this, and you'll find me raining about this this whole time, that we do not wait for people to come approach us.
- 24:07We go approach them.
- 24:08And this book gives countless times, different examples of how I approach an individual.
- 24:14Um, so don't go sit back in the side lines and, you know, go get on the firing lines.
- 24:20It says he was approached by an alcoholic who had not, who had not known a spiritual experience.
- 24:26Our French gorge rose as he bitterly cried out.
- 24:29If there is a God, he certainly hasn't done anything for me.
- 24:32But later alone in his room, he asks himself this question.
- 24:36Is it possible that all religious people I've known are wrong?
- 24:40While pondering the answer, I felt as though he lived in hell, then like a thunderbolt, a great thought came, crowded out all else.
- 24:49Who are you to say there is no God?
- 24:52And my friend that, you know, we started doing these recordings together, you know, I think he got posed with that same question.
- 25:00And that question is, you know, it's important because who am I to say there's no God?
- 25:05Am I God?
- 25:05No.
- 25:07Says this man or counts that he tumbled out of bed to his knees.
- 25:10In a few seconds, he was overwhelmed by conviction of the presence of God.
- 25:15It poured over him and threw him with the certainty and majesty of a great tide of flood.
- 25:20The barriers he had built through the years were swept away.
- 25:25He stood at the presence of infinite power and love.
- 25:29He had stepped from the bridge to the shore.
- 25:32For the 1st time he lived in the conscious companionship with his creator.
- 25:37Thus was our friend's cornerstone fixed in place.
- 25:41And man, I had that whole paragraph in pink and I got cornerstone right here.
- 25:47Because it says, you know, we talked about cornerstone, right?
- 25:50And that was on page 47.
- 25:52So, no, it says no later Vicitude is shaking it.
- 25:57His alcohol problem was taken away that very night years ago.
- 26:01It disappeared.
- 26:03And I had this highlighted right here.
- 26:07save, save for a few brief moments of temptation.
- 26:11The thought of drink has never returned.
- 26:12This never returned.
- 26:14That's crazy.
- 26:15And at such times, a great revulsion has risen up in him.
- 26:19Seemingly, he could not drink in it even if he would.
- 26:23God had restored his sanity.
- 26:24So, you know, this is the very important part, you know, when we talk about like sanity and insanity.
- 26:30You know, you'll go into meetings and people like to be cute, right?
- 26:32And they'll be like, well, I'm still insane.
- 26:34We're not talking about that.
- 26:36You know, that's your human problems and whatever else that is.
- 26:39And you call yourself whatever you want to.
- 26:42But when we're talking about the drink.
- 26:44When I start drinking, I drink more.
- 26:49And after a certain amount of time, I usually drink.
- 26:51And God has removed that from me.
- 26:54And you know, and you kind of think about this, like it says he could not drink even if you would.
- 26:59Well, Corey in a sane mind.
- 27:03would not take a drink of alcohol because I'll tell you this, my mother, my birth mother, not my birth mother, my adopted mother, was not an alcoholic.
- 27:14If she had done 10 of the worst, one of the 10 of the worst things I've ever done in my life, she would never think about taking a sip of alcohol ever again in her life.
- 27:22Why would she?
- 27:24That's crazy.
- 27:24Because I'm not, you know, me drunk is not the crazy person, right?
- 27:30It's me when I'm dead sober and I take a drink of alcohol knowing everything that I've done in my life.
- 27:35That's the insanity.
- 27:38Back to the text on 57.
- 27:41What is this but a miracle of healing, yet it is elements are simple.
- 27:45Circumstances made him willing to believe, right?
- 27:48Because we came into that position.
- 27:49Circumstances made him willing to believe.
- 27:53And he says he humbly offered himself to his maker, then he knew.
- 27:57Even so, even so, I've got to restore us all to our right runs, that this man, the revelation was sudden.
- 28:03Some of us grow into it more slowly, but he has come to all those who have honestly sought him.
- 28:10When we drew near to him, he disclosed himself to us.
- 28:14Thank you guys, and we will be starting on next week.
- 28:19We will read 5859 and 60.
- 28:24So depending on how long that takes, you might get a short, short weekend there, but thank you guys for y'all's time, and, um, yeah, this is a, this is a privilege to be able to do this. If anybody listens, if not, that's cool too, because I'll, listen.
- 28:39I'll read the book to myself, to an aunt, by myself.
- 28:44It doesn't matter.
- 28:45You know, the cool thing is that I think people do listen to this and, uh, the ability and the privilege to be able to do that and to be a part of something bigger than me is is a really cool thing and I'm really grateful.
- 28:57Thank you guys for listening.