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95. [Alabama] Lisa Nichols · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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Hey, everyone, welcome to bless this Message True Crump Podcast. I don't
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care. Who's Stu? Say? Hey Stu? Hey, all right,
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so this episode we're going to Alabama. Yeah, so Stew, do we
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have anything going on? It's raining outside, that's about it. Yes,
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And we've been or I say we, I've been working very hard on just
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today though, because whenever I say we're having a party for our one year
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old, the party is just us, as in me, Stu and our
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daughter and the baby and m Stew's mom and dad. That's it. So
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anyways, I've been working hard. It's Harry Potter themes too. I cannot
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wait. I know. I'm cooking a traditional English meat pies with um mash
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and buttery peas, and then I'm gonna do for the appetizer, I'm gonna
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build a like an English tea with the little sandwiches on the bottom and the
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scones in the center, and then the little treats on the top. I'm
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very excited. The baby's gonna pick his house. He We're gonna put the
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four onesies and he's gonna like crawl to which one he wants to be in?
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Is he? Slytherin is he a Stuart Stop. You will participate,
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you will act enthused, you will let me take fifty million pictures. Anyways,
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anyways, I'm very excited about Honestly, we're not We're not baby birthday
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party people. Like our daughter. We didn't have a birthday party. We
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did like a smell ashcake, a DIY smash cake. Guy made the smash
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cake and we did a little photo shoot at home. Because I'm also not
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spending six hundred dollars on photos either when I got me at Trusty iPhone.
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So we're not roll like baby party, not that there's anything wrong with it.
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My two best friends, they both had huge birthday parties for their one
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year olds. I mean there were bouncy houses, there were there was a
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lot of things. There was like really exorbitant cakes and all sorts of things.
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But to me, the baby just gets tired halfway through, doesn't make
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it through a yes, anyways, but we're just doing We're doing. We're
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making him crawl and pick his little house and then we're gonna do a smash
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cake and the cake is gonna be I'm making it. I made it today
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and I'm going to decorate tomorrow. But if you're a Harry Potter fan.
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It's gonna be like the cake that Hagrid brought Harry whenever he went to go
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get him on his eleventh birthday. Anyway, so way, so it's that
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cake. So I'm excited. But all right, so Stuart, what so
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And now that all that stuff is over, I guess we will get to
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our story out of Alabama. Do you have anything to say, Stuart?
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No, No, have you done? I got nothing to say? Oh
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my god? Whatever? All right, so let's get into it. Speaking
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of the salad, I've only had the salad. I had the salad for
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like lunch, brunch type, and then I had the salad for dinner.
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And now I'm drinking margarita. So this podcast could go off the rails.
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I haven't had any carbs today besides the little bit of carbs on the chicken
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tenders. Anyways. Lisa Marine Nichols was born June eighth, nineteen fifty nine,
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at the Mobile Information in Mobile, Alabama. Our father was a marine
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with the capital M, so her and her three sisters moved around the United
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States and internationally a lot. They ended up back in Mobile, where Lisa
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would attend and graduate from Murphy High School. So this is gonna go south
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early in there. Within the first two sentences, No, it's fine,
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I'm fine. Anyways, now after high school. She would go on to
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attend Nearly Business College and graduate. After college, she began working as a
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bookkeeper, first at a local drug store, then at a local grocery store.
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She would end up working at that same grocery store for the next fifteen
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years. Now, during this time, Lisa was married twice and had two
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daughters. Her second marriage ended, leaving Lisa single and dating. Now,
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Lisa did not have the best luck with men. She would begin dating someone,
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she's she's that lady. She's like, goes all in. She finds
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someone, finds a man, she's in love, they're moving in, she
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sees the future, and then it all goes downhill quickly because obviously they moved
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too fast. So she's always this kind of this cycle of meeting men,
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moving in with them, and then it would end. Well, now,
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this would cause Lisa to have to move quite a few times. Now,
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her daughters finally pushed her get her own place, not live with a man.
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Just say hey, mom, you need to be independent. Just date
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someone, but have your own place. Well, she ended up moving into
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her own mobile home. There's a lot of ways you can pronounce the word
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m O B I L E. Star, yes, there is Mobile.
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Mobile Mobile now home in Turnerville, Alabama. Now Turnerville is a small town
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about twenty five minutes north of Mobile. Despite being unlucky in love, Lisa
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did enjoy her life. She loved cooking, she loved going to the beach.
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She adored her three granddaughters, and she was very involved with her daughter's
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lives. She talked to them multiple times a day, very close knit family.
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In September at two thousand and four, Southern Coast was preparing for Hurricane
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Ivan. Alabama's southern coast. You said southern coast, like it's the name
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of a town, the southern coast Alabama, all right, Yes, Alabama
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wasn't just hit the table. You're like an unprofessional podcaster. See why are
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you looking at me like that? Anyway, Alabama was set to take a
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direct hit, and the people of Mobile and surrounding areas were preparing their homes
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and businesses. This included Turnerville, where Lisa lived. Her daughters decided to
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move out of the hurricanes path and stay in a hotel until it passed.
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It's always that dicey decision, you know. Even they tell you a hurricanes
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coming right after you, You're like do they really know, because a lot
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of times, especially here, is it going to slow down and be a
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cat too? Yea? Are we gonna waste our time and our money like
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going on traveling, loading up all the pets, loading up all the children,
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loading up all the stuff. Or is it a waste time because a
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lot of times, especially where we live, they always say it's gonna hit
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here, and it never does. It always goes one way or the other.
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Either Lake Charles gets it or Baton Rouge. But for some reason we
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always get this. It always turns a knock on wood. But I've been
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here for three of them, so well. Anyways, they tell you that
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I know. But the last few big ones they keep saying that it's coming
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here, and then it never does. No, it always tracks well,
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But it's always uh, it's always that question when they say when people say
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are you going to leave for the hurricane? And then you never know which
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what you should do? No, because if I would have gone to or
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we would have gone on like Charles or Houston, we would have got hit
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by the hurricane there if we would have tried to go that way. Yeah,
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and it's expensive, like they say that, like leaving for a hurricane
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is just oh, we'll just pick up and go. It's not. It's
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expensive. You got to find hotels, fuel, dealing with all the traffic,
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if you got food, pets, all that stuff. I mean,
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it's an expensive endeavor to just like up and leave for a few nights for
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a hurricane. It's not some easy task. So we just go up and
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stock up at the liquor store and stay home and then get a much can
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beans. Yes, and always get bread and milk and then well that's what
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um, that's what you do for a winter store, get milk for a
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hurricane. I don't know what you yes, you do, you don't.
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There's always a run on bread and milk at the store. We don't get
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it, but other people do. If you have children. We have children
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now. I guess if you got a generator to keep a cold, well,
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whatever, get a generator. I'm telling you. When you go to
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the store, all the bread and milk is gone. Whenever they think there's
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a storm coming, all gone. All the canned goods, No, the
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can goods are still there. Bread and milk are gone off the shelves.
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What are you looking at me like this, Steward? This is a common
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thing. You don't ever go to the store to prepare for a hurricane.
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You just come home and I'm prepared for it. No, I prepared for
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plenty of hurricanes. And you get canned goods. You don't get I understand
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what you get canned goods. But if you have children, stuff you need
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milk and everything. If you're gonna be stuck at home, maybe you still
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have electricity. Yes, so you get milk. Yes, Okay, let's
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move on from this. Nobody cares because nobody lives. Only people that live
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in hurricane things. You're an idiot, but you're a morning You're a milk
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for a hurricane. I'm just telling you. Milk and bread flies off the
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shelves. Just go on, Stuart. I can't even I'm sure people will.
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I can't even with you right now. I'm going to stop this podcast
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and just argue with you the rest of the night. I'm gonna look it
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up online. You do that. Yeah, Now. Lisa joined them to
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wait out the storm with her milk and bread. With her milk and bread,
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and on September sixteenth, two thousand and four, Hurricane I Haven't didn't
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make landfall in Gulf Shores, Alabama as a Category three very nice place.
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Gulf Shores, Alabama, Gulf Shores, Orange Beach, Pensacola, all that.
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If you got, if you're close, you want to go a vacation.
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That's some very nice beaches there. Now, the town of Turnerville lost
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power and there were trees down and cell phone towers were out. Despite this,
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Lisa wanted to head back to her trailer because she was ready to be
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home and she would deal with no power for a few days. That is
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miserable in the South, dealing with no power, no air caner after a
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hurricane. She also needed a report to work. On Friday morning. At
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the grocery store, her family tried to get her, there's no milk or
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bread? No, because I would throw off the milk. No, I
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look this up store. There's articles that literally say why we buy milk bread
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before a hurricane? Why do people buy bread and milk before a storm hits?
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Why we buy bread and milk during winter storms? Bread and milk?
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Why do we buy those foods before a storm? A hurricanes cane is coming,
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you need milk and bread? Reasons why people buy bread in a snowstorm?
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Blah blah, blah blah blah, the psychologist says to feel optimistic.
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Psychologist Judy Rosenberg has a different psychological theory for why we stuck up on perishable
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items before storms. Optimism. Buying perishables is like saying the storm will be
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over soon and I won't be stuck in this situation for long. So are
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you saying idiots buy it based on hoping that. I'm just telling you.
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I'm telling you it's a fact that bread and milk fly out the shelf string
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before a storm. I mean, Brad is fine. Okay, Well,
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I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you, so it came. When
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your power goes out, you're gonna have to eat all the lunch meat and
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perishables in your fridge. I'm just saying, don't put new drunk. Well,
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you don't buying you because we're optimistics to that we're not going to die
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and the electricity is going to work. I can't even deal with it.
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I'm just telling you. There's articles. I'm just saying, I'm righting your
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wrong. But anyways, okay, you're no, you're an idiot now.
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They spoke to her on the phone when she arrived back at her trailer on
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September sixteenth. The next day, they called Lisa a few times, but
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they couldn't get hold of her. They did, they really didn't think too
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much of it. I mean, hurricane things are down, shit's going on.
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And then her area that where she lived, the area like you,
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I mean, it's a smaller town, had spotty service to begin with,
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so it's not like it was the most reliable, you know, form a
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communication between them. They called sometimes even on non storm situations, and they
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couldn't get ahold of verse. Yeah, because if you don't know anything about
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cell towers, they run off electricity. But down here in the South,
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they actually have big diesel fuel tanks next to them. They do. I
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know, I know these things and that's what they run on. After a
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hurricane, they automatically kick on and then the service companies got to get out
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down there to refill them. And if they can't get those refilled, those
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towers will go back down again. Will you learn something new every day?
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Well, there you go. I'm happy I could oblige. You're wrong on
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the bread and milk situation, though that is not true. They did not
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think much of it. They just figured the cell towers were still down,
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and that they would speak to her later when there the phone was back up
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and running. On September eighteenth, they made their way back home to assess
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the damage. Later that evening, the family began talking to each other and
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they realized that no one had spoken the least since the day she drove back
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to Turnerville after the storm. They decided they needed to drive out to their
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mom's house to see if she's okay. Yeah, I'm sure. It was
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like a casual conversation because they're all dealing with their own homes, they're all
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in the hurricane path, they're all getting home, you know, was what
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it ended up being a Category three I think I said, So that stills
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there's some damage. There's gonna be branches down, there, might like power
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outages, things like that. They're having to deal with that. And then
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they're all talking to you and going, hey, have you talked to mom?
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And they're like, and I actually haven't talked to mom. We couldn't
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get ahold of her yesterday. What's going on? And so that's when they
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realized maybe something check on mom yes now. Just before midnight, Amber and
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Jennifer along with Todd, who was the son in law entered. They know
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much great. They noticed that the door to the trailer was a jar,
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which is odd. I mean, I'm not sure if the research was done
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in this if at Leasta had power, didn't because you're gonna have doors and
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windows open after her. Okay, well she didn't have power. Se if
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you just continue on with the with the research, Steward, you'll see she
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did not have power. Oh fuck her. Wow, you're the one.
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You just implied to me that I didn't do my research so well, I
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hadn't know about this electricity. Let me read this next sentence. They entered
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the home using flashlights to see because there was still no electricity. He sucks
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so bad. You know what. Karma is a bitch and her name is
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Flashlight. Because you just had to read that. Well, maybe I had
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already read a head and I knew that, and maybe you're a liar.
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I wanted her ask you, no, don't try to play it off,
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just keep going. They immediately could tell that there had been a fire in
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the home. Far far Tied entered the home first, making his way to
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the bedroom. He entered the bathroom room and he sees the body of a
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woman burned on the bathroom floor. He immediately immediately yells for Amber and Jennifer
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to turn around and get out of the house. He didn't want them to
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see their mother that way. Yeah, he's the he's a son in law.
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He goes in first, everything that and he's just trying to should his
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wife and his sister in law from seeing this horrific crime scene that he knows,
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he knows, and yeah, he knows instinctually this is this is even
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though her body's charged, He's like, this is this is Lisa. Now.
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He tells the women that we need to get help, but he knew
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that Lisa was already gone based on the state of the body. They had
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no cell phone service out by the trailers, so they run from door to
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door to find a neighbor to call nine one one. And this is late.
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This is where in the midnight. We're in the middle of the night
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after a hurricane, electricity's out might get shot out in the country, let
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me tell you. Now, they were screaming and crying hysterically, and a
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neighbor, Mark Bentley, answered the or he calls nine one one. Then
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they all run over to Lisa's home along with Another man who was staying at
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the Bentley's named Scooter Coleman Scooter, Oh Scooter. But of course there was
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no helping Lisa, so they waited for police and paramedics to arrive. Now
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police they slowly make their way to Lisa's home. They were still dealing with
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that hurricane damage, so it takes it takes a little bit longer than what
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would normally because there's trees in the roads, everything like that. Plus I'm
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assuming they're probably low on personnel to help with something like this. Whenever there's
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a hurricane, resources are stretched very very thin. So we all know from
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that case that was out of Houston where the woman was murdered during Hurricane Harvey,
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and it took them a while to figure who did it because of the
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I mean, if you want to kill somebody, I mean, we're not
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trying to give tips to killers or whatever, but a hurricane. We also
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had the case out of we did the cover of the case up was it
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Florida. We also covered a case out of ys up to stay with the
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nice or whatever, and then the guy lost to sh oh yeah. And
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then we also covered the case during a hurricane out of it was North Carolina.
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Wasn't it that would happened during a hurricane that the girl was murdered and
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they couldn't get all the clues and everything with that evidence because the hurricane literally
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washed it all away. So yeah, it's a it's a bad time,
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I mean, depending on which side you're on. Yeah, if you're the
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if you're a victim, bad time, murderer, great time. Yeah,
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Hurricane Katrina. Yeah, they're not telling how many of them bodies are from
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storm or Oh yeah, who knows, we don't know. Vengeance. Um,
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what a time to be alive. So anyways, so they enter the
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home and so they the police do arrive. They enter the home and immediately
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see that there had been a fire, but had not been throughout the home.
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That's an isolated situation. So they walked towards the bedroom and can tell
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this is where that the fire actually occurred. In the bathroom, they see
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a charred body of a woman. They initially believed this was an accident that
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maybe like a gas leanard had tipped over and caught fire. She had,
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you know, let one of those. Due to no electricity and just a
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weird accident. They called the corner and when they picked the body up to
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move it. There was a strong smell of gasoline. So this was their
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first clue, this isn't this isn't right. So this is when they knew
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that they need to look closer. So upon further inspection, they could tell
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that Lisa was not clothed at the time of her body being burned, because
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normally, whenever they see a body that's been burned, they can see those
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remnants of that chart clothing, but there were now in the bathroom. The
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bathtub was full of water, which is not uncommon during a hurricane because people
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fill them to have extra water just in case they need it if the lines
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busted or anything like that, Like we are, unless you believe, as
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Karen, fill it with milk or something. I don't know, Stewart,
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that's so ridiculous. I've stated you actual, actual things that where people have
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written why we get milk and and bread for a hurricane. We're not going
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to continue to go back to this. Do you want me to bring up
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the yetty that she said? I said, after all, we took a
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little pause, and I said, oh, I said, well, what
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if there was a yetty and they put the milk in there? The ice
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can stay in a Yeti cooler, those expensive Yetti coolers for days. They
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can down that we have yetis, but back then they couldn't. Okay,
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well, people are currently buying milk and bread so in putting it in their
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yetis and they're just drinking. They're just living the lavish life and drinking whole
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milk left and right all through the hurricane. So anyway, so the batsa
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was full, like we said, but this wasn't uncommon. We fill our
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bathtub whenever there's a hurricane coming. Yes, it's something that we just do.
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Now though, However, when they were looking at this, the water
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was not clear. It was tinted red as if there was blood in it,
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So this is unusual. They also saw what looked like Lisa's clothing floating
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in the bathtub. Now this was starting to look more and more like a
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homicide rather than an accident. So they bring in the fire and vest gator
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and they determined that the fire actually started right between Lisa's legs. It looked
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like someone had dowstart with gasoline then dropped a match right between her legs,
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just dumped it. That's where they dropped it. It was in the middle
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of the night, and they had no electricity. Like we said, yes,
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dude doesn't listen, And so they still decide, you're right ten minutes
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ago. I'm just arguing with you now, just to aggravate you. Okay.
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So anyways, no electricity still, so they decide to exit the potential
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crime scene because this is looking more and more like, wait, we gotta
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we need to be careful with this. We need to collect all this evidence.
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We cannot do this in this pitch black situation back in a bedroom in
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a bathroom, which just using flashlights, we're not going to do a good
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job. So let's exit this crime scene. Let's let it set and whenever
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the sun comes up, when the sun comes up in a few hours,
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we'll reassess and be able to collect more evidence with better lighting. Which was
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smart on their part. I mean because now the Alabama yea yeah, because
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we first in a small town, police investigations go yeah wrong. Old Bubba
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was like, well, we all, we ain't got no lot, so
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we get it. We better back on out of here, and let's look
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at this when we got some that daylight going on. We make fun because
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we're from the South and we can do that. Yes, so we say,
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but it's it is Alabama. Come on, Alabama's okay, it can
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be a nice place. But I'm near Talladega. Oh okay, now we're
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getting into Talladega. I can't do this. People, where I used to
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race cars, you never race. You drove around the thing because someone bought
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you it for a gift. You got to drive around at one time.
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You didn't race cars. For Talladega. I drove a race. We should
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be much richer if you'd race cars at Talladega. Some people don't call that
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fast. In the morning, Lisa's body was removed from the scene. The
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coroner performed the autopsy and determined that the cause of death was not being burned.
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Now, Lisa had bullet holes in her head, and she had been
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shot three times in the head, and somebody tried to cover their tracks by
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burning in her body. With Lisa's death officially a homicide, now they started
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processing the crime scene. On the back they do autopsies for all bodies that
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are burned, because what if I mean, I just assumed they do.
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Do they do optopsies for all bodies that are burned? What what do I
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look like I have or a corner. I don't know our corner. I'm
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just questioning because I mean, was it because the bloody bathtub and the fire
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investigator seen the gasoling that they investigator or if they had to make those mistakes,
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well, they just assumed she was burned to death and dropped a kerosene
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land. Yeah, moved on. I don't know. I don't know either.
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How don't you call a coroner or ask if there's a corner out there
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listening, please let us know. Yeah, so we don't have to do
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it any more work yep. On the back porch, they found a barbecue
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pit with coals in it and lighter fluid. The coals had never been lit.
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It appeared that Lisa was preparing to cook her dinner on the barbecue since
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she had no electricity, when somebody interrupted her. They also found two types
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of beers in the home. One type was in the sink and the can
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was turned upside down. The other can was in a kouzie on the floor.
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And if you're a beer drinker, you have very specific ways you drink
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your beer. You drink it like the same way every time. Kouzi,
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no kouzy, things like that. So we'll get into that. But it's
24:27
a very specific thing. I'm not a beer drinker, but people who drink
24:32
beer, it's they're going to do the same thing every single time, and
24:34
they're gonna drink the same type of beer every single time. They will.
24:37
Yeah. Plus you do things with tabs, you put a dent in it.
24:41
Yeah, see, I would know. Stu's not a big beer drinker,
24:45
but he does drink like if he drinks like his monsters or his Cokes
24:51
or whatever they are he does. He takes the tabby off and puts it
24:55
dent. Yes, and oh an puts it dent. Yes, This is
24:57
true. So if there was ever a crime scene here and there was like
25:02
another set, and I know it wasn't mine, I'd be like, Oh,
25:06
that wasn't Stew's, that wasn't Stux's monster. That was somebody else was
25:11
drinking a monster here. So yeah, it's very specific. Yes, I
25:14
do drink often, well not often, but you like to try a new
25:18
one. You like to try new ones, and they're usually in bottles now,
25:22
Yeah, but you also like to try You're not like a regular.
25:25
You don't go and buy michelob ultras every week and go through a pack of
25:29
them or whatever. Now you go and say, oh, I want to
25:32
try this new light log or whatever. Police spoke to the family, and
25:37
the family told the police that Lisa would always turn her cans of beer upside
25:41
down in the sink to drink any beer left in them before she crushed the
25:47
cans and collected them to sell. We collect our cans to sell as well.
25:51
We didn't. We go through a lot of cans around here. The
25:53
one in the koozie was not Lisa's, and police felt this might belong to
25:59
the last person that saw Lisa alive. So they sent off the items for
26:03
testing, and they started questioning friends, family, and neighbors, well Lisa's
26:08
family. They talked to police and they just didn't know anyone that who would
26:11
want to hurt Lisa. She didn't have any enemies, which this is a
26:15
common fact theme. Did she light up her room? Didn't? No,
26:18
I don't know if they never said she lit up a room, But she
26:21
didn't have any enemies. So they questioned neighbors starting with the I mean,
26:25
but who does have enemies? I mean, if I got enemies, I
26:27
don't know who they are. I don't know who they are either, So
26:30
I mean, like a normal day to day person doesn't have like a like
26:34
an arch nemesis out there, like planning their demise. Who are these people
26:38
like the Hatfields of McCoy. Yeah, oh oh Joe was murdered. Oh
26:42
he's a half failed monthman. KOI did it? Yeah? I mean these
26:45
people out of the regular life that have well, every time enemies, this
26:49
is common every time. Nobody knows anybody who would want to hurt somebody,
26:52
because nobody knows anybody who would hate somebody that much to want to kill them,
26:56
kill them, because if you did, you'd be like, oh,
26:59
yeah, that motherfucker. He was crazy. Yeah, I want to kill
27:00
him. So anyway, so they questioned neighbors, starting with the Bentleys,
27:03
who called for help the knight that Lisa was discovered. Now, Mark Bentley
27:07
was very upset by the murder of Lisa and was concerned about his own family's
27:11
safety as he was just next door. So police asked Mark who all was
27:15
at his home the knight of the murder, and he told police that was
27:18
him and his wife Kim, as well as their cousin Scooter Coleman. And
27:22
this is Scooter who had ran to assist with Lisa, and then there was
27:26
another man there named John Paul Chapman. Now police ask about Scooter and John.
27:32
Mark told him that they worked for his construction company and that he owned
27:36
off and On and he also lets them stay at his house. Now,
27:38
Scooter was family and Bentley the Bentleys trusted him a lot so. But John,
27:44
however, had worked for the Bentley's back in two thousand, but had
27:47
left and recently returned looking for work. So Scooter is the long term tenant
27:52
at the house, the cousin that's worked for the family for a long time.
27:56
John's kind of like the off and on worker. Yeah, he's not
28:00
related to him. He's just a guy that they've been helping out. So
28:03
Mark tells the police that they left town for the hurricane and they offered to
28:07
take Scooter and John with him, but they declined and they chose to stay
28:10
at the house just to watch over it. They go to speak to Scooter,
28:12
who assisted with Lise. That was the guy again that assisted with Lisa,
28:17
and he tells police a similar stories to Marx. He tells them that
28:21
he stayed behind with John at the house just to look over it, make
28:23
sure everything was kay. They weren't too concerned about Yeah, well tiny hurricane
28:30
like that. Yeah. So Scooter says that he had a strange interaction with
28:33
John while they while the Bentleys were away, they needed batteries in a radio.
28:37
So John, this was John and Scooter needed batteries in radio because of
28:41
obviously the electricity gone out. So John contacted Kim, who told him that
28:45
she had some in her closet. Well, Kim told John to have Scooter
28:48
go get them, as she trusted Scooter. Again, Scooter's the cousin's he's
28:52
part of the family. He's lived there a long time. She's like,
28:56
hey, go have it's in my bedroom closet. Just go, but I'd
29:00
rather Scooter go do it like digging through stuff. Well, John didn't listen.
29:03
He goes in there to get the batteries and the radios himself out of
29:07
Kim's closet, probably get the pies and weird. So anyways, while he's
29:12
in there, Uh, it is believed that John finds Kim. Kim had
29:18
a little pistol in there or whatever, and so we believe that John.
29:22
They believe John found that pistol. Scooter actually walks in while John is looking
29:27
for the batteries of radio, smelling the underwear or whatever he's doing and holding
29:32
that pistol. Well, Scooter doesn't say anything to him, but he does
29:34
see John holding that pistol. Scood relieves they get the radio as the battery
29:38
or whatever. He doesn't know what happened with the gun or anything like that.
29:44
He just remembers seeing him with the gun. The next day, Scooter
29:48
goes back in because he thought the whole thing with the gun was suspicious and
29:52
he hasn't seen John since that incident with the gun. With seeing with the
29:56
gun at he doesn't say what time it was or anything. No, he
29:59
just says it was night of the hurricane. He doesn't seem so he goes
30:03
back in. He checks the gun is actually back where it's supposed to be,
30:06
so at some point John took the gun and then placed it back in
30:11
there. But Scooter never saw John again that night. John last time he
30:15
saw it it was in his hand, yes, and then it's magically back
30:18
in where it's supposed to be. The next day they didn't see John again.
30:22
Police come and ask and say, hey, where's so. We got
30:25
Scooter, we got the Bentleys, where's John out. They say, we
30:27
haven't seen John since at night. They tell him this whole story about him
30:30
having the gun, and the gun showing magically back up the next day,
30:33
but no one ever having seen John. So they do go and look,
30:37
and John had left some items behind and some of those items were clothing,
30:41
So they just the Bentleys and Scooter never went and investigated the clothing that John
30:47
left behind. So they just always assumed he was coming back because again,
30:48
this isn't he doesn't. I mean, he lives there, but he's not
30:52
a family member, he's not. He just a guy that works there and
30:55
they let stay at their house. So anyway, so the police click that
30:57
clothing and that clothing actually has some blood on them, so police take that,
31:03
take the gun, and they go to process it for any type of
31:07
evidence. So somehow John left with the gun, yes, got blood on
31:14
his clothes, came back unseen, left the gun and the clothes, and
31:18
then disappeared. Yeah, I mean a scooter does. I mean, it's
31:22
a hurricane. You got to electrcity him. I mean, unless he was
31:25
sleeping. I got maybe he was sleeping. We don't know, Stuart,
31:27
else I would love to just sleep during the hurricane just sleep give us a
31:32
call anyways, that's what happened. With no sign of John, police run
31:37
a background check to see if they can find some more information on him and
31:42
where he might have gone. They find that he has an active warrant out
31:48
of Georgia for failing to appear in court. John does contact the police saying
31:52
he will come in and talk to them, but he never does. At
31:56
this point, John is the only suspect they have and then need to kind
32:00
of track him down get a little questioning going on. So on September twenty
32:05
first, police received a call about an attempted burglary and a man running off.
32:09
The respond to the call and as it turns out, the home belongs
32:14
to a well known meth cook. There was a man in his house and
32:19
he pocketed a bag of meth and the meth cook pulled his gun on him
32:23
and the guy ran away. So the meth cooker was calling the cops because
32:29
someone stole all his meth. So that makes me question about the relationship that
32:35
was between the police and the meth cooker because he felt comfortable enough to call
32:42
in such a crime which he was committing a cry cooking. The man but
32:49
now all of a sudden, it's been escalated because this all ends up being
32:52
involved with the murder. So this this whole call in he maybe he this
32:57
has happened before he's called in the police, and the police are on me.
33:00
It's some shady shit going on in the police department, you know what
33:04
I'm saying. And normally this wouldn't come to light, but since it's been
33:07
with the murderer, all of a sudden, it's going to escalate. Alice
33:10
is Florida. It's all the same. Oh wow, there's gonna be some
33:17
upset people in Alabama. Yeah, or some upset people in Florida could be
33:22
now. The man could not catch him, the meth cook that is,
33:25
could not catch him, but the guy left his red Jeep Cherokee behind.
33:30
Police run the plates and it turns out it belongs to John Paul Chapman and
33:36
he is the guy that was stealing the meth. They have no clue where
33:39
he is though, until they receive a call from Chapman himself. The detective
33:45
continues to talk to him while they trace his call, and they were able
33:47
to get a location and head out to arrest Chapman. When they do catch
33:52
up to him. He tells police, I had every intention of making you
33:55
kill me, which struck police's odd. There was a man they wanted,
34:00
like suicide by cop. Yeah, So the cops were like, why you
34:04
scroll a bag of meth? Yeah, what's going on? So there was
34:07
a man there that was driving him to the bus station, but he said
34:10
that Chapman showed up at his house and he just wanted to get rid of
34:15
him, so I agreed to give him a ride. So they bring Chapman
34:19
in for questioning. Yeah, I think for understand, he just showed he
34:22
went to this guy's house. He shows up at some random person's house that
34:25
he doesn't even know, keeps bothering him until the guy's like, I'll just
34:30
take you wherever you want, just please, dear God. And it was
34:36
it was a situation like that, like I just want you gone, like
34:38
it doesn't matter, I don't care if whatever. So the guy's like,
34:42
I don't have anything to do with this. I'm just trying to get rid
34:43
of this. Well, this is Alabama. I don't know why the guy
34:45
didn't pull a gun on once I get the f out of here, or
34:47
I'm calling the cops one or the other well, maybe he was from a
34:51
transplant from Vermont or something. Oh wow. Anyway, so at first Chapman
34:59
was not talking, but eventually he slowly started giving details. Right, you
35:04
almost forgot about that, didn't you. About that night, he told police
35:08
that he had gone over to Lisa's house to hang out and she asked him
35:12
if if he had some crystal meth. He sold her some and they did
35:15
the meth and had sex. Now he tells police that she overdosed and died
35:21
very I mean, he's just making shit him. Anyways, he panicked and
35:24
thought he would be blamed, so he decided to cover up, cover up
35:29
the overdose, and that's when he tells them he shot her in the head
35:31
then burned her body. They knew this story was not true. Lisa did
35:36
not do drugs like I said. She's she had gone and got her bookkeeping
35:38
degree. She'd worked at the same place for fifteen years. It was a
35:42
grocer store. It had changed names multiple times, but it was she had
35:45
worked in the same place for fifteen years. This was not a woman fucking
35:49
buying crystal meth and having random sex with men. You know, this was
35:53
not meth Heads are not reliable for fifteen years. No, so they already
35:58
know, like, this is not Lisa didn't do drugs. This guy's just
36:02
making all this up. So he requests to call his girlfriend, but she
36:06
doesn't answer, so he's taken back to his cell. So the John guy
36:09
tries to call his girlfriend. She's like, she doesn't answer. Detectives continue
36:14
to try to contact that girlfriend because they had the number. They're like,
36:15
Okay, well let's call this girl and see what she's got to say.
36:19
Finally, the next morning, she calls them back. Detectives tell the girlfriend
36:22
that Chapman is being questioned for murder and she says, oh, I knew
36:27
he killed her. Well, they're confused by this again, They're like,
36:30
what is she talking about? So I asked her what she what do you
36:32
say? Who do you know that he killed? And she says, it's
36:36
was something that happened about six months ago. It was a sixteen year old
36:39
girl who went missing in a trailer park where Chapman and her lived. She
36:44
had always thought that he had something to do with that, the girl going
36:46
missing and the murder of her, but he was never arrested or anything like
36:51
that. It was just an instinct that she had that he had something to
36:53
do with Yeah, because it was not a question as a suspect or anything
36:57
in that murder. No LEAs and Alabama begin looking into this other murderer in
37:02
Georgia. In March of two thousand and four, now, sixteen year old
37:07
Amanda Greenwell mysteriously banished one day from her residence in Douglasville, Georgia. Friends
37:13
and family members searched for her, but were unsuccessful in their attempts to locate
37:17
her. One month later, Amanda's lifeless body would be located a few miles
37:22
from her home. She had been beaten, raped, and her neck was
37:25
broken. The girlfriends suspected Chapman because the day after the disappearance, he showed
37:32
up at their trailer with scratches on him and dirty clothes, but he had
37:37
no explanation for this. Detectives in Alabama now believe they're dealing with a potential
37:43
serial killer, so they bring Chapman back in for question, and he finally
37:46
cracks, I think you actually have to have three to be a serial Killer's
37:51
I thought? Just wait now, He tells police that Mark Bentley left to
37:58
get them some hamburgers from parties and CenTra. Now did you ever like Hearties
38:01
to It's all right? Okay? When I was a child, I distinctly
38:08
remember I wanted to. I love the Hearties cheeseburger and it had to only
38:15
have the you know, cheese, mayo and lettuce. And we used to
38:22
drive it must have been down that this isn't Oklahoma's. Must have been down
38:25
the turnpike to go get it. But there was this lady there that I
38:29
don't know what was about her, but I was. I loved the Hearties
38:31
Hamburg, and I remember always asking my mom and dad, like, oh
38:36
wait, let's go to Hearties and be so excited. But when I got
38:38
there, there's this lady that weren't there, and I was terrified of her,
38:42
like terrified herdis also had the curly fries as well, which was like
38:47
the best. Well, I think all on the West coasts are called Carl's
38:51
un all well, no, but back in the day, this was before
38:53
they merged. I think they merged at some point. This was old school
39:00
Hardies do. This was like four hundred years ago when I was a child.
39:05
I've never had a Hearties here until recently in this town, so I
39:07
have no Okay, well, it's not the Hardies that you know today.
39:10
It was a different Hardies. They must have been purchased by Carl's Junior because
39:15
they took the hardiest colors were not the Carl's Junior colors. The hardiest colors
39:20
were like a brownish like uh, what's the word? Um? No,
39:27
like a brunish. Fuck, what's the color? I don't know, like
39:32
a dark purple, um maroon, brownish brown. I believe it was a
39:42
brownish maroon type of color with a white lettering. And it was very different.
39:45
But I just remember that lady. I was very terrified of her.
39:47
Maybe she was a killer and I just had like an instinct. But I
39:53
liked that Burger would just let his mayo in cheese. Anyway, that was
40:00
your story. Yes, this long trip, this two hour drive for thirty
40:07
minutes at the beach, is what you're telling us. Yep, it wasn't
40:09
even thirty minutes at the beach. Wow, Okay, it was like you
40:14
showed up and it wasn't actually a beach. It was one of those rivers
40:15
that's supposed to look like a beach. We used to have a place here
40:20
and a man made beach. We used to have a place here in Louisiana
40:24
called Carnival Beach. They just dug like a big hole on the ground,
40:30
dumped a bunch of sand in there, and we used to go there on
40:32
the weekends and we thought it was that shit. Okay, well, we
40:36
drove two hours to get to that beach. Just now with my hearty story.
40:39
We spent twenty minutes there, no car. Carnival Beach was a lot
40:44
more fun than that story you told. So anyway, before Karat destroyed the
40:51
story, they go to the horse to destroy this story with your bread milk
40:55
nonsense earlier. You need to just stop. Mark Bentley went to the Hearty
41:00
Centronella. I think it's pronounced centronell, not centronella. There's no a at
41:06
the end. We're not trying to keep moscuits out of this, no,
41:07
okay. Thirty minutes away it was the only restaurant open. Mark was gone
41:13
for two hours, as it took thirty minutes to get there, then an
41:16
hour in line due to the crowds, then thirty minutes back. During that
41:21
time, he went over to Lisa's home, but she wouldn't let him inside.
41:25
He started crying, so she gave in and let him in the house.
41:32
Yeah, it's terrible, but he got inside. So once inside,
41:37
he raped her. Then he shot her three times in the head, leaving
41:40
her line dead in her own bathroom. He left to go back to the
41:45
Bentleys where he got a gas can, and he returned to Lisa's home.
41:50
He covered her with the gasoline, then he set her on fire. Now,
41:53
this caused a small explosion, and this detail was confirmed by neighbors who
41:58
heard the explosion some point time between seven and eight pm. He headed back
42:04
over to the Bentleys, where he hopped in the shower, and when he
42:08
got out, Mark and Scooter had both returned because Scooter had been over at
42:13
a friend's house helping with hurricane clean up. Yeah. Yes, his own
42:20
mistake was not asking about the gun situation, like, hey, John,
42:22
what are you doing with that gun? Buddy? Yeah, it was too
42:25
nice. Now, police charged Chapman with the murder of Lisa Nichols. They
42:29
believe he had murdered more than just Lisa and Amanda. You know, they
42:34
don't think these were two isolated, isolated incidents. So they send out a
42:38
bulleton nationwide to police stations with the description of the crime, his name,
42:42
his sole security number and his birthdate. Now, surprisingly they get a call
42:46
from the Missouri State prison system. Now they tell them that they don't know
42:51
who this John Paul Chapman fellow is with the same birthdate and social security number
42:55
because they have that that person with that all that info locked up in prison
43:00
right now for robberies. So John Paul Chapman ain't John Paul Chapman. They
43:07
got this guy in prison in Missouri. So now they need to figure out
43:10
who is this man that killed Lisa. So there's this unknown man now that
43:14
they have in their custody and identity thief. Yes, that's what he should
43:19
get the chair for us. Thieve in the identity, not the murders.
43:22
Well that too, okay, Stewart, way just back yourself into a corner.
43:27
So they contacted his girlfriend, the girlfriend again, and she has only
43:30
ever known him as John Paul Chapman Chapman. She did have his mother's name,
43:36
however, and she knew that she lived in Oklahoma. So they call
43:38
up the police there and were able to determine that the man that they had
43:43
was named Jeremy Brian Jones and he was wanted for rape in Oklahoma. So
43:47
by piecing together the mother's name and finding out that she lived in Oklahoma,
43:52
they were able to identify this guy. So they bring Chapman in, who
43:59
is now Jones, and they bring him back in to talk to him,
44:02
so they actually use his real name and he just looks completely shocked. He's
44:07
like, oh, oh shit. They know the gigs up. Yep.
44:09
So they were able to find out from Jones that he purchased the Soul Security
44:13
card from Chapman's mother when she when he was on the run for he purchased
44:17
it for fifty dollars. She just assumed that he would John Paul Chapman was
44:22
going to be her son, was gonna be even prisoned for the rest of
44:24
his life. She wanted some quick money for fifty dollars, she sells the
44:30
Soul Security number and his birthday in every all of his information. She's like,
44:34
he's imprisoned. As the matter now with all of this, John Paul
44:38
Chapman or Jeremy Jones had been arrested in Douglasville. But the problem is is
44:45
that his prince worsened into the FBI, but the FBI never ran them,
44:51
comparing to other prints that they had in their system. They just took it
44:52
for They took his word for his name. So he has the same prince
44:57
under Jeremy Jones and the same prince ender John Paul Chapman. So it's two
45:01
different files with the same fingerprints. So the FBI fucked up on this one.
45:06
Hardcore doing their job. Yeah, So if they had done this,
45:08
they would have caught this before Lisa had been murdered, is what it comes
45:13
down to. They would have found out this guy was lying about his identity
45:15
and they would have figured out he was had this whole criminal history before,
45:21
and it wasn't. Actually John Paul Chapman does that make sense to him?
45:25
It does make sense. I mean it sucks, But basically it's just taking
45:30
his word for us. Say he sent in his finger they sent in his
45:31
fingerprints. They said, oh, this is John Paul Chapman. They're like,
45:34
okay, let's start a new file. This is John Paul Chapman.
45:37
Here's his fingerprints. But Jeremy Jones already had fingerprints at the FBI, same
45:43
exact fingerprints in a different file. They just never ran him and figured out
45:46
it was the same person lying about their identity. What are my pan taxes?
45:51
For I know right right now that his identity had been revealed. Oh,
45:58
Jones starts confess to all sorts of crimes, including the murder of Amanda,
46:02
the sixteen year old and a forty seven year old woman in New Orleans
46:07
named Catherine Collins, who had been ranked and stabbed back in February of two
46:12
thousand and four, which was one month before he killed Amanda. Yeah,
46:15
it's like he went on like a spree all of a sudden. Yeah,
46:17
what the hell. Now, police in Alabama notify the FBI, who starts
46:22
investigating Jeremy Jones for his crimes. Now, in two thousand and five,
46:28
Jones went on trial for the murder of Lisa Nichols. He was found guilty
46:31
and on November twenty nine, two thousand and five, was sentenced to death.
46:35
He appealed his conviction but was denied. Now, the FBI publicly apologized
46:39
to the family of Lisa Nichols for messing up on those fingerprints, which would
46:44
have stopped Jones in Georgia. And he would have never made it to Alabama
46:47
to kill Lisa, so this was there. If they had have done this,
46:51
he would have been I mean, she would still be alive, sadly,
46:55
not sad that she'd be alive. I'm saying, like, sadly they
46:58
didn't stop. Oh you think would have got that counts. I don't know,
47:01
Stewart. People are harsh in the reviews, Okay they are. I'm
47:06
just trying to clarify. It's very sad that the FBI messed this up because
47:08
Lisa would still be alive from a simple I don't want to say simple clerical
47:15
arabert it kinda was, you know, because it is clerical. They should
47:19
have ran those prints to make sure he didn't match anybody else on the database.
47:23
Yes, So he is currently still in prison at the home in Corrucial
47:28
Facility and at More, Alabama. He has been linked to murders in Georgia,
47:31
Oklahoma, Kansas, and Louisiana, but has only been charged in Lisa's
47:36
murders. So they never even I guess he got the death penalty and they
47:39
just didn't. And if he ever gets on parole, and here's about this
47:43
podcast, it could be linked to two more murders and was Yeah, anyways,
47:49
but that's our case. So when we've been doing a lot of serial
47:52
killers, I feel like, do we didn't even know. We didn't know
47:54
well the people. The people didn't know. We didn't plan on doing the
47:59
people didn't know. They didn't know until we got into and they're like,
48:00
oh shit, these people have murdered multiple people. So yeah, I think
48:07
I'm gonna do a series on Louisiana serial killers because we have quite a few
48:10
big ones, some of that didn't even know about. But yeah, well
48:14
I think I'll do that. But do you have a y'all need Jesus too?
48:17
Of course I got a y'all need Jesus. What do you want?
48:22
I want? Short and sweet? Short and sweet, I got that one.
48:24
Okay, all right. Man tells deputies he only drank at stop signs
48:31
and traffic signals, so he technically wasn't drinking and technically wasn't drinking a drab.
48:40
I mean Florida, not Florida. This is using some critical thinking skills
48:46
and some manipulations. I'm gonna go with not Florida. Fox thirteen, July
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eleven, twenty eighteen, Tampa Bay, Florida, Arreo Beach, Florida.
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A man was arrested for driving under the influence, but told officers he was
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not that he was only drinking at the stop signs and stop lights, not
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while he was driving. Indian County Sheriff's deputies were called to a McDonald's and
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Barrel Beach because of a car that was repeatedly bumping the car in front of
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it in the drive through. When a deputy arrived, he found Earl Stevens,
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age sixty nine, in his vehicle with an open brown paper bag with
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a bottle of Jimmy in the passenger's seat. He told deputies he didn't recall
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bumping the car in front of him. Stevens, who only had a Florida
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ID card, told the responding deputy that he had never had a valid Florida
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driver's license. The deputy noted the strong smell of alcohol on Stephen's breath and
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saw his eyes were red and his speech was slurred, kind of like carrots.
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Oh, shut up, and asked him how he was feeling. I'm
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feeling pretty good, Stevens told deputy. According to that arrest, after David
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Stevens told the deputy he had about three or four drinks, but he wasn't
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drinking while the car was in motion, only when he stopped stop signs and
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traffic signals. I don't appreciated. I don't think drinking and driving is anything
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to laugh about. I really think it's one of the crimes that needs to
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be that is people don't put take enough punishment with or whatever. And it
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really is because you could really seriously hurt somebody or whatever, kill people and
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things like that. But I appreciate his creative thinking, especially since he's from
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Florida. Yeah, that's pretty creative. I appreciate he had he had.
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He had what he had stuff out of expiration, his driver's license or whatever.
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He never had a Battle of Florida license. He only had an ID
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card. Okay, I can appreciate that. Because my inspection sticker has been
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out for one whole year as of this month. Why I thought I just
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expired last month. No, it expired a year ago start experret of June
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to twenty twenty two. And I was gonna win it. If I got
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stopped. I was gonna use the excuse that I just had a baby.
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But that was a year ago. Oh, it was a year ago.
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Now, I don't think it's gonna work. It's not. It's an eighty
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dollar fun probably calling up now asked me how I know it's an eighty dollar
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fun now. Stevens also told the deputy he had prescription medication before he began
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drinking nice and admitted to actively drinking. From Port Saint lou Port Saint Lucy
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to Indian River County, Stevens was asked to do a field sobriety test where
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he was a bird where he was Do you need a field sobriety test?
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I am not driving, You're not dying, but you're reading. Doesn't matter.
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I don't need a field sobriety test for ain't drown. So he was
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given a field sobriety test. He passed on the cop let him leave?
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What now? The cop observed him so annoying, Stuart, you do this
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all the time during what we're doing these things and so annoying. The cop
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observed him swaying side to side, and allegedly he later blew a point one
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five three and also a point one four seven on his breathalyzer test. He
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was arrested and charged with DUI and driving without a ballad Florida Driver's Life and
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his inspection sticker was held, and deputies also say that he had two prior
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DUIs in the state of Missouri. Did you have you seen the thing where
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it's I've seen a video and I think it was like Instagram or whatever,
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and there's some police to have I seen Instagram. No, anyways, there's
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some police department that actually requests for volunteers to come drink so that they can
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their officers can be trained in the field sobriety tests. So you come in
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and you get a drink, get to drink, and you take sobriety tests.
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Anyways, it's pretty funny because it's like four girls that found out about
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this, like four young girls, you know, college age or whatever,
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and like best friends and so they go in there and they just like having
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the time of their lifelight doing and they got these like cute cops and everything
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around them and stuff and everything that that was pretty funny. And then we're
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all arrested for DUI trying to drive home from No. No, that would
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be awesome. No, it was just like a funny thing, like you
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could you could actually volunteer at the police station. They requested volunteers to come
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drink and let the police officers train doing filled sobriety test with you with people
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that were actually intoxicated, so they can see what it was like, we
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could have cops come over here while we're recording bring booze. Well, I
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actually looked it up to see if we did it here, and they don't
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do it here. I know what's wrong with us. They don't have that
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thing. It was like Indiana or something like that. It's probably because I
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ain't got the drinking and driving that we got Marty grown every festival and the
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problem our insurance rates are for car insurance or out the yes anyways, because
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of our poor drinking and driving record stats. Yes anyways anyways, all right,
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well thank you. Um, I don't think there's gonna be an episode
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next week. You don't think, are you know not? It's July four,
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is we're probably not gonna do one next week. We'll probably, guys,
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we need a break. Two Okay, we've been doing We've been solid
54:21
since the beginning of the year. So we'll probably take off July fourth and
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we'll be back. We're gonna shoot guns, drink beer, Stewart launch fireworks.
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No, we're not gonna be out there in my Daisy dukes. Oh
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god, I will not film that for you guys, but um, anyway,
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that's it, so I guess we'll see you next time. By or one
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say by ste to be superstitious. My nothing else is working, and my
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hand is really hurting, and I'm saying come, it's working. By my Cambridge