Latest / First Thing Today with Joe Thomas / "Breakin'... or Makin' the Law" (Monday November 03, 2025, Hour 2)
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- 0:05Speaker 1: You're a first thing today by Joe Thomas.
- 0:09Speaker 2: Except it's all tricks and no tricks.
- 0:11Speaker 3: Jeord said, steal men.
- 0:14Speaker 4: You have a day.
- 0:16Speaker 2: At least for work. When the sun comes up, drops
- 0:19Speaker 2: a pet to scoom night.
- 0:20Speaker 3: The way Joe has a gender all the Jasu needs
- 0:27Speaker 3: no one to Joe's smile.
- 0:29Speaker 5: He on the eggs be.
- 0:34Speaker 6: Joe.
- 0:35Speaker 2: Thank you for letting me be of service to you.
- 0:38Speaker 2: I want to be Joe all along the Talk Media network.
- 0:43Speaker 2: You hit us at four three four eight eight two
- 0:46Speaker 2: four two one seven. That is a multitasker. You can
- 0:49Speaker 2: text message through there, or you can use it for
- 0:54Speaker 2: proper traditional telephone conversation there. But I know how mornings are,
- 0:59Speaker 2: either whether it's the beginning or end of your day.
- 1:02Speaker 2: At the moment, it is a cacophony of stuff to do,
- 1:06Speaker 2: So I just appreciate you putting us on while it's
- 1:08Speaker 2: being done. A couple of housekeeping notes. A little bit
- 1:14Speaker 2: later on, we're going to be drawing some more winners
- 1:18Speaker 2: for the Trans Siberian Orchestra show that we have coming
- 1:23Speaker 2: up here. I want to respond a couple more emails
- 1:25Speaker 2: about Kevin Roberts, also one about Victoria Cobb and the
- 1:30Speaker 2: Family Foundation. We had on actually ironically the same day
- 1:35Speaker 2: that we had Kevin Roberts on there. Let me jump
- 1:38Speaker 2: to you at four three four eight eight two four
- 1:41Speaker 2: two one seven on the program that tells you what
- 1:43Speaker 2: went on, tells you what we think about what went on,
- 1:46Speaker 2: and more importantly, wants to find out how it's impacting
- 1:49Speaker 2: you where you be. Good morning? Who's this?
- 1:52Speaker 7: Hey, Joe?
- 1:53Speaker 8: Good morning is Joel?
- 1:54Speaker 7: Oh?
- 1:54Speaker 1: Well it?
- 1:54Speaker 2: How's things in Florida? Joel?
- 1:57Speaker 9: I'm okay.
- 1:58Speaker 8: I'm still going through my battles.
- 2:01Speaker 2: That, uh, you are more than okay. Hey, hey, hey,
- 2:04Speaker 2: look at me, look at me in the eyes. Right,
- 2:06Speaker 2: all right, you're more than okay. Just hang in there,
- 2:08Speaker 2: all right, all right.
- 2:12Speaker 9: I wanted to call because.
- 2:15Speaker 8: It's it just seems like we're in this world of
- 2:19Speaker 8: unbelievable and then and then it just keeps getting, you know,
- 2:25Speaker 8: further out out into the uh stratospheres, and I you know,
- 2:31Speaker 8: I remember growing up we had had radio TV and
- 2:36Speaker 8: went from I guess black and white to color and
- 2:39Speaker 8: then and then you know, the with with the remotes,
- 2:42Speaker 8: and then computers came out and more of the home computers,
- 2:46Speaker 8: and I guess around I graduated eighty one around, so
- 2:50Speaker 8: they came out more in in the I guess mid
- 2:53Speaker 8: eighties where you could actually start buying home computers. But
- 2:56Speaker 8: the biggest thing that was an influence on.
- 2:59Speaker 9: My life was newspapers.
- 3:01Speaker 2: Sure, and now it.
- 3:03Speaker 8: Seems like there's only you know, there's there's different large city,
- 3:09Speaker 8: but they're pretty much dominated by the left and the
- 3:15Speaker 8: people that are on here that I don't mean on
- 3:19Speaker 8: your radio station, but people that are complaining are well
- 3:23Speaker 8: set into their social media. They have a lot of
- 3:28Speaker 8: thought ads done with their with TV and then I'm
- 3:31Speaker 8: sure with some radio. But it just seems like we're lost.
- 3:35Speaker 8: I don't mean we you or me, but it just
- 3:38Speaker 8: seems like a lot of the younger generation is lost
- 3:40Speaker 8: and their attention span is probably maybe fifteen seconds or less.
- 3:46Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Joel, hang on to that thought,
- 3:48Speaker 2: because that's that's a bigger question than I have a
- 3:51Speaker 2: moment here. Let me get our first things on the
- 3:53Speaker 2: air here, so we know what we're talking about news wise.
- 3:56Speaker 2: I know you're commenting, I think jumping off the Newsmax
- 3:59Speaker 2: commentary had in the last segment, So hang on a second.
- 4:02Speaker 2: We'll come right back to you and get on with
- 4:05Speaker 2: that as well. This morning, first thing today, where like
- 4:09Speaker 2: I said, we tell you what went, and here we
- 4:11Speaker 2: go to do that this morning of the news of
- 4:14Speaker 2: the day. It's come on. It's like Pavlov's dog. We
- 4:19Speaker 2: got to have the music. Otherwise I don't start talking.
- 4:22Speaker 2: There we go. I don't know why. Donald Trump said Sunday,
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- 4:29Speaker 2: allow Ukraine to obtain long range Tomahawk missiles to use
- 4:33Speaker 2: against Russia. He said he's cooled to the plan to
- 4:37Speaker 2: sell Tomahawks to NATO nations that would transfer them to Ukraine,
- 4:42Speaker 2: saying he does not want to escalate the war. Meanwhile,
- 4:46Speaker 2: he told CBS's Sixty Minutes he won't be extorted by
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- 4:53Speaker 2: he has no plans to negotiate as the government shut
- 4:57Speaker 2: down enters his sixth week. He said that at the
- 5:01Speaker 2: healthcare subsidies, the Democrats are wanting a proof that they
- 5:04Speaker 2: have lost their way, and predicted that they will eventually
- 5:08Speaker 2: capitulate to Republican leadership John Thune and Mike Johnson. He
- 5:15Speaker 2: said they won't negotiate to until they vote to reopen
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- 5:23Speaker 2: Virginia's Senator Mark Warner was on a competing Sunday morning
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- 13:15Speaker 1: The first thing Today by Joe Thomas on the Chunk
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- 13:23Speaker 19: You don't really need to.
- 13:23Speaker 7: Buy that what's done, you don't really want to know.
- 13:29Speaker 20: Just when last we left the Cape Crusaders, they were
- 13:41Speaker 20: in great peril as the Riddler had questions for Joel
- 13:46Speaker 20: in Florida, picking up about half an hour ago.
- 13:49Speaker 2: I told you the story. I'm being hammered because we
- 13:52Speaker 2: had doctor Kevin Roberts, president of Heritage Foundation, on Thursday's program,
- 13:57Speaker 2: played some clips of it on Friday and even on
- 14:00Speaker 2: Saturday for the special weekend audience. And yeah, yeah, four
- 14:05Speaker 2: hours a day, six days a week. Gosh, talk about
- 14:08Speaker 2: nose to the well, you know, to the well the
- 14:12Speaker 2: pizza stone mostly, but uh in Newsmax headline and really
- 14:18Speaker 2: misrepresenting what's in the story. This text message comes from
- 14:22Speaker 2: Larry says Joe. Come on, man, uh you know that
- 14:26Speaker 2: this is what news does. They write a headline even
- 14:29Speaker 2: if it has nothing to do with what's in the story.
- 14:32Speaker 2: I get that, But for the longest time I was
- 14:35Speaker 2: hoping that places like town Hall and Newsmax might be
- 14:40Speaker 2: sparing me from this. I mean, we've long since lost
- 14:43Speaker 2: Breitbart and places like that to the Steve Bannonism of
- 14:48Speaker 2: the world. And yeah, I understand it's a world of clickbait,
- 14:51Speaker 2: and I think that's what Joel was asking about, is
- 14:53Speaker 2: how do we how do we separate the wheat from
- 14:56Speaker 2: the chaff in this world? Right, Joel, I'm not misquoting,
- 15:00Speaker 2: am I?
- 15:01Speaker 9: No?
- 15:02Speaker 8: No, that that's a lot of it. And the other
- 15:05Speaker 8: part of it is is it's kind of like when
- 15:07Speaker 8: you said with you know, kind of like burger king,
- 15:11Speaker 8: how you how are you ordering your whopper? Are you
- 15:13Speaker 8: getting with pickles? You're getting in with.
- 15:16Speaker 21: With keys?
- 15:17Speaker 8: But but it's a matter of what you're actually getting.
- 15:20Speaker 8: Are you actually getting that burger? Are you getting something
- 15:23Speaker 8: that's fake? And I think I would rather have something
- 15:28Speaker 8: at least ninety nine percent real. I mean, I'd love
- 15:31Speaker 8: to have one hundred percent reel. But that a lot
- 15:34Speaker 8: of these places just don't report the way they used to.
- 15:37Speaker 8: And my comparison was in newspapers, and now you have
- 15:41Speaker 8: newspapers that are that are just you know, they're so
- 15:44Speaker 8: far left. There's very few that are going to actually
- 15:47Speaker 8: report the facts. And I think I think when it's printed,
- 15:51Speaker 8: it's a lot more I don't know what's the word legal, it's.
- 15:56Speaker 2: Well, it's it's verifiable at least, I mean, you can
- 15:59Speaker 2: go back yeah, you wrote this. And thank goodness we
- 16:03Speaker 2: have now on the internet the Wayback Machine website which
- 16:06Speaker 2: can go find even tweets and posts that you take
- 16:11Speaker 2: down because they got embarrassing to you. But here's the
- 16:15Speaker 2: thing about the news, and I grew up like you
- 16:18Speaker 2: did about the same age, and the newspapers were driven
- 16:22Speaker 2: by the little kioshas that they all were in. So
- 16:25Speaker 2: you wanted to have a salacious headline staring out of
- 16:28Speaker 2: the window on this box to make somebody say, oh,
- 16:31Speaker 2: I've got twenty five cents, I want to read that.
- 16:34Speaker 2: And the clickbait world is basically the same thing. It's
- 16:39Speaker 2: oh I want to read that, clickbait to it. And
- 16:42Speaker 2: what we all need to do is is the same
- 16:45Speaker 2: thing with the Tucker Carlson essence of the story Newsmax
- 16:49Speaker 2: is blaring. The essence of the story is don't cancel
- 16:53Speaker 2: somebody just because you don't like them, Just don't consume it.
- 16:57Speaker 2: But what happens in this activism world that and both
- 17:03Speaker 2: political ideologies fall prey to this. Allowing something to exist
- 17:08Speaker 2: is the same thing as endorsing it yourself. And that's
- 17:12Speaker 2: not true. You know it's not true. I know it's
- 17:15Speaker 2: not true. And it's so dehumanizing that I rail against
- 17:20Speaker 2: it simply for its dehumanizing aspects that we all have
- 17:25Speaker 2: to be part of groupthink and if somebody disagrees with us,
- 17:28Speaker 2: they must be ousted rather than saying gee. And I
- 17:33Speaker 2: know it sounds counter to my points about the Overton window,
- 17:38Speaker 2: but the Overton window is about allowance for a crazy
- 17:43Speaker 2: ideology to be discussed intellectually rather than just out of
- 17:49Speaker 2: hand discopers like, oh my god, that's crazy. And it's
- 17:53Speaker 2: different than allowing that somebody might have a different viewpoint
- 17:57Speaker 2: on it. And we've just allowed this world. I guess
- 18:02Speaker 2: the influencer economy drives some of it. That if you
- 18:06Speaker 2: allow something to happen, then therefore you must endorse it,
- 18:09Speaker 2: and I don't. I don't endorse communism. I know it exists.
- 18:14Speaker 2: I guess in some worlds that would mean I endorse it.
- 18:17Speaker 2: And it's sad, But that's what I think you're sensing, Joel.
- 18:21Speaker 9: Oh, I mean it's true.
- 18:23Speaker 8: I mean, at least, at least there was a sense
- 18:25Speaker 8: of somewhat proof. I mean, you picked it to paper,
- 18:29Speaker 8: you got ink on your hands, you could smell the paper,
- 18:32Speaker 8: you could see it.
- 18:33Speaker 9: But it's like.
- 18:34Speaker 8: Now, I mean things can be generated AI and you
- 18:37Speaker 8: don't even know where that's coming from.
- 18:39Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's another scary whole thing there is when
- 18:42Speaker 2: somebody just says, hey, write me a story about and
- 18:46Speaker 2: then AI turns it out. And the scary part about
- 18:49Speaker 2: AI Joel is AI is copying us and artificial intelligence. Well,
- 18:55Speaker 2: look at what happened to GROC about what three months
- 18:58Speaker 2: ago when it when it went full on Nazi the
- 19:02Speaker 2: world they had and Elon Musk's people had to take
- 19:06Speaker 2: GROC down and you know, basically reset it and put
- 19:10Speaker 2: new parameters on what it's supposed to learn from because
- 19:13Speaker 2: you know, six months on the internet and Kroc was
- 19:15Speaker 2: just spewing blood and soil Nazism out there because he
- 19:21Speaker 2: learned it from what he was reading in you know,
- 19:23Speaker 2: all these chat rooms and everything. And yeah, it's not
- 19:26Speaker 2: that it doesn't exist, but you know, this is AI.
- 19:29Speaker 2: It's like a little infant copying whatever it sees it's
- 19:32Speaker 2: impressing on. But I appreciate it, my friend, and don't
- 19:34Speaker 2: worry about you know what I've learned this about young
- 19:37Speaker 2: people as well. That my millennial focus group and my
- 19:43Speaker 2: gen X focus group that I hang out with. I
- 19:46Speaker 2: guess no, gen z I always mix them up. So
- 19:49Speaker 2: my millennials and gen xers that I hang out with,
- 19:53Speaker 2: they have a lot longer attention span than you think.
- 19:56Speaker 2: It's just they don't. They don't sit around for the
- 19:59Speaker 2: bovine extra meant for too long. That's what they don't
- 20:02Speaker 2: have time for. I agree, all right.
- 20:06Speaker 8: I just I just see this society so changed from
- 20:10Speaker 8: what you know, like what you and I.
- 20:12Speaker 2: Grew up with. You know, but that's the nature of it.
- 20:14Speaker 2: I'll bet you are parents. Actually, I don't have to bet.
- 20:17Speaker 2: I know my parents said the same thing to me
- 20:19Speaker 2: in the eighties. So I think that there's nature to that.
- 20:22Speaker 2: We just have to go back to the undeniable truths
- 20:27Speaker 2: of right and wrong. And that's the bigger problem, is
- 20:30Speaker 2: this idea that you can rewrite what is right and wrong.
- 20:34Speaker 2: But I must run, Joel, you have a great morning, sir,
- 20:36Speaker 2: Hang in thereyone brother, thank you. Four three four eight
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- 20:51Speaker 2: greeting the new work week. And we have time before
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- 28:14Speaker 1: the first thing today, continuing, they have to ask.
- 28:18Speaker 23: A Republican because the Republicans have agreed to exactly zero
- 28:21Speaker 23: and investigations.
- 28:23Speaker 21: Donald Trump is.
- 28:23Speaker 9: Out flying around the world.
- 28:25Speaker 23: The Republicans here in Senate won't do a damn thing
- 28:28Speaker 23: without Donald Trump telling him to.
- 28:30Speaker 29: And the one person that needs to be at the
- 28:32Speaker 29: table is not is Donald Trump. Because Speaker Johnson and
- 28:37Speaker 29: Leader Thun will not do one thing unless he says
- 28:39Speaker 29: and tells him what to do.
- 28:41Speaker 21: Unfortunately, my Republican colleagues can't move on anything without a
- 28:45Speaker 21: Trump sign off.
- 28:46Speaker 1: Trump has spent enough time.
- 28:49Speaker 30: Oh yes, yes, yes, oh yes, old yes, okay, let
- 28:58Speaker 30: me hear it.
- 29:06Speaker 2: It is how the echo chamber works. The focus group
- 29:11Speaker 2: has come back and told the Democrats they both reached
- 29:17Speaker 2: for the shutdown and the guilty party is Donald Trump
- 29:22Speaker 2: because he's not there and they won't do anything unless
- 29:26Speaker 2: he tells them to. You love it when the focus
- 29:29Speaker 2: group comes out and all these esteemed that was Catherine
- 29:33Speaker 2: Mastow and Focahontas and then Mark Warner, all of them.
- 29:38Speaker 2: They're making sure that the narrative is Donald Trump needs
- 29:42Speaker 2: to tell the Republicans what to do and pull their strings.
- 29:45Speaker 2: And because they went out and they surveyed middle aged
- 29:51Speaker 2: Caucasian women with their Black Lives Matter t shirts on,
- 29:54Speaker 2: and that's what they believe. So you have to then
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- 30:02Speaker 2: government is shut down because Donald Trump wants it. He
- 30:06Speaker 2: won't tell the Republicans what to do. He's busy telling
- 30:09Speaker 2: them when to go to the men's room apparently there.
- 30:12Speaker 2: So there's amongst the myriad of things that greet us
- 30:16Speaker 2: on this Monday morning, go back to this Newsmax controversy,
- 30:19Speaker 2: A lot of folks taking up four Newsmax in that
- 30:22Speaker 2: I want to get to that. Uh and where do
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- 30:30Speaker 2: tuned in to First Thing Today by Joe Thomas on
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- 30:37Speaker 2: that doctor Clark is on the line with us at
- 30:39Speaker 2: four three, four eight eight, two four two one seven,
- 30:42Speaker 2: Good morning, doctor Clark. What's going on?
- 30:45Speaker 9: Oh so much so far? And the show Joe, So
- 30:48Speaker 9: let's say Liz Warren. Republicans won't do anything unless Trump
- 30:53Speaker 9: tells them to. And you know, Joe, I don't doubt
- 30:57Speaker 9: that they did a focus group. But this is just
- 31:00Speaker 9: another case of projection because the only reason the Democrats
- 31:06Speaker 9: said that is George Sourrows told them to.
- 31:12Speaker 2: Yes, well, don't worry. Don't worry. George now owns talk
- 31:15Speaker 2: radio stations, so certainly nothing bad could ever happen there.
- 31:20Speaker 9: So the urinating judge Joe I had questions okay. I
- 31:26Speaker 9: wondered maybe it was cultural, because I've been all around
- 31:30Speaker 9: the world. Some paces they do just urinate wherever.
- 31:33Speaker 2: Well, you know, it could be you know, she might
- 31:36Speaker 2: be a member of you know, the community that identifies
- 31:40Speaker 2: feline and she was just marking her territory.
- 31:44Speaker 9: She wasn't on a letter box. She was sitting on a.
- 31:46Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no spring. You know, if you're a veterinarian,
- 31:50Speaker 2: you know it's spring. Is I mean she was marked
- 31:52Speaker 2: right there by her courthouse.
- 31:54Speaker 9: I wondered about this.
- 31:56Speaker 2: Maybe there was another judge sniffing around and she wanted
- 31:58Speaker 2: to mark her territory.
- 32:00Speaker 9: Did well, she wasn't near at the courthouse. Did she
- 32:03Speaker 9: drink a lot of coffee? Is she diabetic? Could this
- 32:07Speaker 9: be a case of euro myatitis? I heard about that
- 32:12Speaker 9: on Seinfeld one time.
- 32:13Speaker 2: Euro euro mice. Is this got to do with Richard
- 32:17Speaker 2: gear I don't want to hear about it. If it
- 32:18Speaker 2: does this.
- 32:19Speaker 9: When h this is when Jerry got busted for a
- 32:22Speaker 9: yearine eight and a parking lot because he couldn't find
- 32:25Speaker 9: the car and to the officer he could get euromatysis.
- 32:31Speaker 2: I don't remember that episode.
- 32:35Speaker 9: I did. I looked it up and apparently she was
- 32:39Speaker 9: not sober as a judge.
- 32:43Speaker 2: Glad good use of the phrase by Clark in Alabama
- 32:48Speaker 2: drunk as a skunk.
- 32:50Speaker 9: And then fastly I swear Joe y'all's legislative people if
- 32:59Speaker 9: they were duck huh, they wouldn't have a license. They'd
- 33:02Speaker 9: be out of season, over the limit with an unplugged shotgun.
- 33:07Speaker 9: I learn that their efforts to permanently rig elections, violating
- 33:15Speaker 9: the constitutional changes that they voted.
- 33:17Speaker 2: For in Virginia. You're talking about, yes, it was.
- 33:22Speaker 9: Done with an illegal session. Oh my goodness.
- 33:26Speaker 2: Well, as I said, if you're looking for the court order,
- 33:29Speaker 2: so a bunch of county clerks. It's also a constitutional office.
- 33:33Speaker 2: We elect them to make sure that the counties we
- 33:37Speaker 2: live in operate legally. Two things they filed suit about
- 33:41Speaker 2: number one, arguing that it's not a legal session. Number two,
- 33:44Speaker 2: they're being forced to break the law. And that reminded. Actually,
- 33:51Speaker 2: Jason texted in, he said, isn't that what they tried
- 33:54Speaker 2: to do when all the Virginia Dixie Krantz tried to
- 33:57Speaker 2: ignore the law about integrating the schools. You know, Democrats
- 34:02Speaker 2: go back to some classic hits sometimes.
- 34:05Speaker 9: Juesus praise for your classic hits. So, you know, here's
- 34:11Speaker 9: the thing. I'm pretty sure that if we looked at
- 34:17Speaker 9: the way the founders set things up, they had great
- 34:19Speaker 9: concerns that one or two very populated states and urban
- 34:27Speaker 9: areas would have total control of the entire country if
- 34:32Speaker 9: they didn't take measures to keep that from happening.
- 34:34Speaker 2: Right, that's called the electoral college.
- 34:37Speaker 9: The electoral college in each state gets to senators regardless
- 34:42Speaker 9: of population. And now what the Democrats want to do
- 34:47Speaker 9: is rig it, so urban centers getting to run the
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- 34:54Speaker 2: Right, two d and fifty years, that's all it took.
- 34:58Speaker 9: Wow, wow, with an illegal session.
- 35:03Speaker 2: M m oh, No, it's not illegal because the elected
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- 35:08Speaker 2: elected officials called for it, they get to make up
- 35:11Speaker 2: the laws out of hat. Don't you understand that, doctor Clark.
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- 35:50Speaker 9: I gotta go research your mystisis a little bit more.
- 35:53Speaker 2: Well, if it involves mice, let me know. But if
- 35:57Speaker 2: it's a real thing, let me know, because you know,
- 35:59Speaker 2: we got to look out for public health there. We
- 36:01Speaker 2: don't want to, as Barack Obama said, be promoting quack medicine.
- 36:07Speaker 9: Pretty sure, Jerry made it up once for the moment,
- 36:10Speaker 9: get out of the tickets.
- 36:12Speaker 2: You know, And so if you look it up on
- 36:14Speaker 2: Google search and it just comes up with the Seinfeld clip,
- 36:17Speaker 2: that's okay. There you go, all right, thank you, doctor
- 36:20Speaker 2: gar Yeah, you keep listening down there in Alabama and
- 36:24Speaker 2: we'll play you or making the law? Is it making
- 36:33Speaker 2: the law? Making the law? We are lawmakers. We can't
- 36:36Speaker 2: be breaking the law. Hillary Clinton told us that what
- 36:39Speaker 2: would like a cloth. But that's that's what's got so
- 36:46Speaker 2: many people frustrated. And the funny thing is is for
- 36:49Speaker 2: people like Foucahontas and Mark Warner will tell you that
- 36:53Speaker 2: this is what Donald Trump is doing, rather than owning
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- 45:13Speaker 2: you think do you think this judge was just marking
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- 45:48Speaker 2: It was an Arizona judge got caught relieving herself in
- 45:53Speaker 2: a public That's what we were talking about. A good
- 45:55Speaker 2: reminder that you need to reset these stories every now
- 45:58Speaker 2: and then. You have a good morning there, Mike. And
- 46:04Speaker 2: it is that time mentioned that we've got these tickets
- 46:09Speaker 2: Trans Siberian Orchestra going all over the place, and the
- 46:17Speaker 2: roster is full. We've got so many places where this show,
- 46:21Speaker 2: having done this gosh countless times over the past twenty
- 46:26Speaker 2: five years, that they've been touring. I've given away hundreds
- 46:30Speaker 2: and hundreds of tickets to the show. We've even hosted
- 46:33Speaker 2: the show. They're not coming to our flagship city this
- 46:37Speaker 2: time around, but we have tickets this time. It's neat.
- 46:40Speaker 2: We have the opportunity to share tso with a lot
- 46:43Speaker 2: of folks in a lot of places that we wouldn't
- 46:46Speaker 2: normally get a chance to. So I asked, and they
- 46:49Speaker 2: said sure. We've already given away some tickets to the
- 46:53Speaker 2: Broadmoor World Arena in Colorado Springs, and the Covelli Center
- 46:57Speaker 2: in Youngstown, Ohio, and Portland's Moda Center. That is how
- 47:01Speaker 2: it was pronounced, right, I don't want to mispronounce. But
- 47:04Speaker 2: we still have shows coming up. We just did Sacramento
- 47:09Speaker 2: and Jacksonville last week. We've got shows in Orlando and Tampa,
- 47:15Speaker 2: New Orleans, Elmont Queens for those you know, they don't
- 47:19Speaker 2: like calling it Queens anymore ever since they discovered Donald
- 47:23Speaker 2: Trump is from their Newark, San Antonio coming up Chicago, Illinois, Minneapolis,
- 47:30Speaker 2: and Washington, d C. So if you're hearing us and
- 47:33Speaker 2: you've we've never had a chance to see the show's
- 47:37Speaker 2: that's cool. I love giving folks it's my wife's favorite
- 47:40Speaker 2: thing to do is as she said, invite newbies to
- 47:45Speaker 2: the show. And so we've got all these tickets to
- 47:49Speaker 2: give away to these shows. Let me reach into the
- 47:51Speaker 2: bag here and see who we've got and who we
- 47:54Speaker 2: can give away some tickets to this. Let's see what
- 47:59Speaker 2: we've got here else. Pull this one out here, and
- 48:04Speaker 2: it is Christin Kristin Gillis who's listening to us on
- 48:10Speaker 2: the great WGSO in New Orleans and appreciated them and
- 48:16Speaker 2: got to visit with them. We were down there for
- 48:18Speaker 2: the State Policy Network. I've got to tour the WGSO
- 48:23Speaker 2: studios with the folks down there in New Orleans carrying
- 48:26Speaker 2: the program. Kristin, congratulations, you've got yourself a pair of
- 48:29Speaker 2: tickets to see Trans Siberian Orchestra in New Orleans from
- 48:35Speaker 2: me and again and again, thanks to all the folks.
- 48:37Speaker 2: And what's the date on that New Orleans show? December
- 48:41Speaker 2: seventeenth at the Smoothie King Center there in New Orleans.
- 48:45Speaker 2: And we're going to the one in Queens with some
- 48:48Speaker 2: family friends there at the IBS Arena. And believe me,
- 48:52Speaker 2: you know you're an Islander fan. Ibs is often what
- 48:55Speaker 2: you leave there feeling. But the shows go on throughout
- 48:59Speaker 2: the area. If you don't get tickets for free from me,
- 49:03Speaker 2: just a quick note, if you purchase them at trans
- 49:05Speaker 2: dash Siberian dot org. It's the one kind of trans
- 49:09Speaker 2: we promote here on the program. You can There's a
- 49:14Speaker 2: meme that circulates at Christmas every year, and friends of
- 49:17Speaker 2: mine will send it to me by email frequently. It's Uncle,
- 49:21Speaker 2: was it Uncle Junior, Uncle, Walnuts whatever? From I was
- 49:24Speaker 2: never a Sopranos fan, but it's the guy with the
- 49:26Speaker 2: white stripes and his hair. He says, you can't tell
- 49:30Speaker 2: me that all them guys in that band are trans
- 49:35Speaker 2: It's just it's for fun and frolic. But a dollar
- 49:40Speaker 2: from every ticket sale goes to a local charity. So
- 49:45Speaker 2: I'm not sure who they're giving to in New Orleans
- 49:48Speaker 2: when they're there on December seventeenth, Kristen, But you've got
- 49:52Speaker 2: tickets for me, and by all means drop a dollar
- 49:55Speaker 2: in the collection pot when you get there for the show.
- 50:00Speaker 2: So Mike's point on whether or not they know what
- 50:09Speaker 2: the law is when they're breaking it is part of
- 50:16Speaker 2: the form and function of this societal pile of laws
- 50:20Speaker 2: that we can every time a law stops you from
- 50:22Speaker 2: doing something, some Supreme Court ruling on something. We watched it.
- 50:26Speaker 2: We're watching it as the post Dobbs decision sends everyone running.
- 50:31Speaker 2: Same thing happened after the Kilo decision, everyone runs out
- 50:35Speaker 2: to write a new law. Let me, I mean heck,
- 50:38Speaker 2: the Kilo decision actually said, I think it was Clarence
- 50:40Speaker 2: Thomas said, you want to fix this, fix your law,
- 50:46Speaker 2: new law. Well, yow, we love writing new laws. We
- 50:50Speaker 2: don't love living by them, but we love writing them.
- 50:54Speaker 2: And in Virginia, law says that you have to post
- 50:57Speaker 2: notice of a constitutional amendment ninety days before an election.
- 51:02Speaker 2: They can't do that. So yes, like Jason texted in,
- 51:07Speaker 2: very much like the Virginia legislators that didn't want to
- 51:12Speaker 2: comply with desegregating the schools, they're trying to force elected
- 51:18Speaker 2: officials to break the law, and they've filed suit. They're
- 51:22Speaker 2: going to have a hearing today and see if the
- 51:25Speaker 2: judge puts a hold on it. Kind of screws the
- 51:28Speaker 2: Democrats if the judge puts a hold on it, because
- 51:32Speaker 2: then it won't be until after election day. Oops, there
- 51:34Speaker 2: goes your intervening election folks. Sorry, thanks for playing here's
- 51:38Speaker 2: your home version of the game as a consolation prize.
- 51:44Speaker 2: But you can't be forced to break a law by
- 51:46Speaker 2: another law. That's you don't have to be a lawyer
- 51:51Speaker 2: to understand that. You don't even have to be Mike
- 51:53Speaker 2: Ross to understand that. To obscure nobody, I thought people
- 51:59Speaker 2: would suits was on for like nine years. Imagine people
- 52:03Speaker 2: were watching it. But in any event, politicians ignoring the
- 52:10Speaker 2: very laws sometimes will actually stand there and tell you
- 52:13Speaker 2: they have sovereign immunity from it. Sometimes they'll try to
- 52:17Speaker 2: obfuscate it in the press saying, oh, my opponent's just
- 52:20Speaker 2: playing politics for this when they are actual criminal charges,
- 52:25Speaker 2: but they don't want to answer for the criminal charges.
- 52:28Speaker 2: And Democrats alike, like I played the clip of Barack
- 52:31Speaker 2: Obama in the last segment, they think Donald Trump's doing it.
- 52:35Speaker 2: We see the Democrats doing it. And you know how
- 52:41Speaker 2: many times has Donald Trump actually seen the inside of
- 52:44Speaker 2: a courtroom and survived and been found not guilty.
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