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Patriots Catch-22 10/15: 3 Up/Down vs. Saints, Drake Maye's Progression, Titans Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 2: Blazarre and Lazarn. Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always
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  Speaker 2: by our Bara.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. Do you doubt
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  Speaker 1: them being able to replicate any of what they did? Evan?
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  Speaker 1: Can they do it thirteen more times? Twelve more times? Exactly?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's still a young team. There's gonna be
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: some consistency issues, but they haven't shown that kind of
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  Speaker 1: level for a few years now, and they've now shown
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  Speaker 1: it two weeks in a row. They played the game
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  Speaker 1: that they want to play and they won. That's a
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  Speaker 1: very encouraging sign for the long Termans Well. Patriots just
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  Speaker 1: keep rolling.
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  Speaker 2: Alex up three in a row. Uh. Dare I say
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  Speaker 2: first place? I whisper at first place.
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  Speaker 1: Called the winning street in the AFC East. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The Patriots are rolling and they it is called the
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  Speaker 2: winning streak. But as of right now, you know, it
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  Speaker 2: is week six of the season. We're all excited, we're
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  Speaker 2: all encouraged by the things that we've seen. I think
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  Speaker 2: that the people that are getting their flowers this week
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  Speaker 2: deserve to get their flowers Mike Rabel, Drake May, Josh
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  Speaker 2: McDaniel's doing a great job as well on the offensive
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  Speaker 2: side of the ball. We're going to talk all about it.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to break down this Saints game. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: talk some big picture things because I think one of
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  Speaker 2: the most encouraging things Alex about this entire situation with
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots and this winning streak and the fact that
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: they're winning games again and they're performing well and they're
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  Speaker 2: four and two, is that we can actually really dive
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  Speaker 2: into some of these minutias and talk about not that
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  Speaker 2: they're across the board in a place where they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: win four games, right where we can actually talk about
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  Speaker 2: this like these are the things they need to improve on,
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  Speaker 2: because if they do, and we're really going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to start talking about playoffs and matchups and seating
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  Speaker 2: and all that different type of stuff that we just
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  Speaker 2: aren't used to talking about around here the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of years. So that's all really exciting. And when we
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  Speaker 2: talk about even the negatives or the things that didn't
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  Speaker 2: go so well in this game, and the good, the bad,
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  Speaker 2: and the stuff that gets you beat, it's not you
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  Speaker 2: want to talk about it because it seems worth it,
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  Speaker 2: like it seems worth trying to fix these things and
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  Speaker 2: worth trying to get through these things and figure out
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  Speaker 2: how to make this football team even better than the
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  Speaker 2: way that it has performed and the way that this
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  Speaker 2: schedule sets up for them. It's really I understand that
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots are not necessarily yet in a position to
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  Speaker 2: overlook opponents and things like that, But Tennessee and Cleveland
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  Speaker 2: and back to back weeks. I mean, you're looking at
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  Speaker 2: six and two if you just take care of business.
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  Speaker 2: Now they got to take care of business. But you're
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  Speaker 2: looking at six and two if you I just wanted
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  Speaker 2: to start.
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  Speaker 1: A big picture done that point. It goes back to
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  Speaker 1: one of the first things Mike Rabel said when he
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  Speaker 1: got here back in January. It's one of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: quotes that he's given. You know, talking about building up
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  Speaker 1: the program and what will the hallmarks be, and said there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's a handful of them, but the place
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  Speaker 1: to start. You're gonna be good enough to take advantage
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  Speaker 1: of bad football. And I said this back in May
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  Speaker 1: when the schedule came out. If they simply take care
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  Speaker 1: of take advantage of bad football, and just do that
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  Speaker 1: is the baseline, and they don't even get beyond that.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to be in the playoff mix and potentially
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  Speaker 1: make the playoffs. And that's exactly what they're doing. So
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  Speaker 1: vrabel through six weeks and there's still time to go.
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  Speaker 1: But like they've followed through on that.
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  Speaker 2: Box check box checked. Absolutely, yeah, And that's highly encouraging.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a baseline that in this league, and when
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  Speaker 2: you eight or nine games and then you start stealing
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  Speaker 2: a game in Buffalo that people are picked against you,
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  Speaker 2: and you know some other games along the way here
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  Speaker 2: where it might be more coin flippy or maybe even
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  Speaker 2: favor I'll tell you the opponent.
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  Speaker 1: We not to get too far ahead, but like so
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  Speaker 1: I've had this this take that I don't think I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking to somebody o the day and they're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if if the Bills aren't as good as we thought
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  Speaker 1: and the Eagles aren't as good as we thought? Right,
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  Speaker 1: the Chiefs stumbled out of gatele like, who are the
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  Speaker 1: elite teams in the NFL? Who are the best teams?
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  Speaker 1: And I still think it's some of those teams, the Eagles,
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  Speaker 1: the Bills, right, you know, the Ravens. It's weird because
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  Speaker 1: the Mars hurt, but they're just what we're used to being.
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  Speaker 1: The best teams in the NFL, the teams that can
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  Speaker 1: go out there and blow doors any given week. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think that team exists this year, which
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  Speaker 1: might be a good thing for the league. It makes it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, parody's insane. That being said, you know who
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  Speaker 1: I would put in that best teams in the league
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  Speaker 1: tier right now? Tampa Dampa might be you know, I
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: don't know how you feel about them. Tampa is one
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  Speaker 1: of the best teams in this league. Agreed through a
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  Speaker 1: month and a half, I agreed. Now it'll be a
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  Speaker 1: good game in a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: I think one of the elements of being six weeks
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  Speaker 2: into the season and having all you know, somery trying
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  Speaker 2: to draw some of these conclusions. I do think some
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  Speaker 2: of the quote unquote best teams in the league will
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  Speaker 2: level off and you know, sort of get back to
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  Speaker 2: what we're used to see. Reilly, Kansas City's offense is
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  Speaker 2: really starting to come on. Detroit, you know, Buffalo, like
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  Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know about Baltimore, they might have put themselves in
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  Speaker 2: too big of a hole.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Baltimore's a weird one.
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  Speaker 2: But all of the teams that I just mentioned, I
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  Speaker 2: do feel like we are going to wake up in January,
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  Speaker 2: in week eighteen or maybe wild Card weekend, and it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be all of the usual suspects, you know,
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  Speaker 2: plus maybe like every year you know, a few new
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  Speaker 2: teams like the Patriots. You know that that might be
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  Speaker 2: in there. But at the same time, I do feel
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  Speaker 2: like those upper echellent teams, especially when you look at
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  Speaker 2: some of the efficiency metrics you know, EPA, DVA things
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  Speaker 2: like that, like Kansas City is what like four and two,
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  Speaker 2: three and two something like that. Two. Yeah, but their record,
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  Speaker 2: their record is not like they're playing a lot better
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  Speaker 2: than their record would suggest. So there I think going
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  Speaker 2: to go on a run here at some point. I
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  Speaker 2: do still feel like, and I know that right now
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  Speaker 2: they've lost two games in a row and you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: probably take many victory laps on the Buffalo Bills. I
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  Speaker 2: still think the Bills are gonna are gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: problem in the AFC. I think they're gonna be heard
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  Speaker 2: from at some point in the AFC. Okay, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: just saying I still think the teams that we thought
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  Speaker 2: were going to be good. Once we start to get
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  Speaker 2: into the real meat of the season, I think that
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  Speaker 2: they're going to come out to the other side.
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  Speaker 1: I guess where I'm at relatively speaking. Yes, I agree
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  Speaker 1: with you on the Bills. They're one of the best
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  Speaker 1: teams the AFC. Are they that's.
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  Speaker 2: Big of you. I know that was probably hard for
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  Speaker 2: you to say.
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  Speaker 1: Are they as good as they were last year?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but like they have no, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that. Like they have maybe one of the best quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 2: if not the best quarterback in the NFL. Their defense
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  Speaker 2: has not been fully healthy, so I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna get Matt Milano back permanently because he's just
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: seems like he's injured all the time now. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know about that. But at Oliver just came back
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  Speaker 2: this past week. I just I like Tampa. I think
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  Speaker 2: Tampa's going to be a force this year. I think
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  Speaker 2: they're a great team. Baker's playing out of his mind,
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  Speaker 2: no doubt about that. I still think these other teams
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  Speaker 2: that have been in the mix and been in the
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  Speaker 2: in the in the dance, so to speak. Over the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of years are still going to be there
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  Speaker 2: in the end.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be there. But they're any of
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  Speaker 1: those teams. I think Buffalo, I think Kansas City. It's
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  Speaker 1: really those two because Baltimore and Cincinnati you're dealing with
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  Speaker 1: quarterback injuries right in the AFC. I don't think either
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  Speaker 1: of those teams are as good as they were. And
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  Speaker 1: I think some of it, I think on Buffalo's side,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not I know, there's the quote going around
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  Speaker 1: about Josh Allen and you know him saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm more than just a football player, and his really shit.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to pick on the guy for
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  Speaker 1: that when I say this, but I do think there's
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  Speaker 1: a level of complacency in Buffalo that's more about the
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  Speaker 1: coaching staff than the players. You know, I that was
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  Speaker 1: not a well coach game the other night.
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  Speaker 2: I would relax on taking victory laps on the Bills.
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: Not a victory lap. The Bills are McDermott, the Bills are.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I think people just in general, like, I
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  Speaker 2: think people are getting a little bit over it, and
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  Speaker 2: even in Buffalo, Like if I thought they're four and two,
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  Speaker 2: they're not. They're not one in.
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  Speaker 1: Five, I thought the Bills were dead in the water.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you think I'd come on here and say it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I also like, I feel I feel like
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: we've heard this a lot all week long because of
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: the Patriots overtaking the Bills in the division for now
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  Speaker 2: and the Bills are lost to eight games, And I'm
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: even seeing it like from Bill's people like, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: just talking about the.
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  Speaker 1: Bills fans sound like me. Yeah, I find myself agree
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  Speaker 1: with the Bills fans. Here's my point though, let me so,
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  Speaker 1: I just I've been critical of mcdert. So what people
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  Speaker 1: think is my disdain for Josh Allen really is more
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  Speaker 1: about Sean McDermott, And I just don't think he what
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  Speaker 1: I've said this, like, do I somebody called him a
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  Speaker 1: sports Somebody asked me the other day do I think
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  Speaker 1: Josh Allen can win a Super Bowl? Yes? I can, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I do. Do I think he can win one with McDermott,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. And I think he's getting exposed a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. I think in Kansas City the issue is
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: more age, and you know, the age catching up with
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  Speaker 1: the roster. Like Travis Kelsey's still playing well, but he's
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: not what he was. Chris Jones not playing is still
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: playing well, but he's not what he was. And you
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: know their receiver rooms and other issues as well on
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  Speaker 1: top of that. So I still think those teams are good,
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: but they were, along with the Ravens and Bengals, who
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: again are in a different category here. I think they
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: were so far ahead of the pack in the A
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  Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and I think they each
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: have their own flaws that are being exposed to more
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: because whether it's the Patriots, whether it's and the Colts
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: kind of took a roundabout way to get there, whether
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: it's the Colts, whether it's the Jaguars, some of these
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: teams that have been down and have been rebuilding are
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: now sort of through the painful part of the rebuild
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: and aren't fully there and aren't fully caught up. And
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: this isn't to say the Patriots or the Colts or
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  Speaker 1: any of these teams have caught the Bills or caught
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  Speaker 1: the Chiefs, That's not what I'm saying. Have they narrowed
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: the gap as those teams start to get older in
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  Speaker 1: a little you know, further away from that apex, and
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: they get close to the Apex. Yeah, I think they have.
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what you've seen happen here in
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  Speaker 1: the last few weeks. That's what this is all indicative of,
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: is it's no, the AFC for the last three or
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: four years was two or three teams and then a
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: bunch of nothing, that's all it was, whereas the NFC
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: was this super competitive conference where it was kind of
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: even across the board. I think you're starting to see
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: that flip. And by the way, he did, flipped from
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: where it was ten years ago, where it was you know,
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: the Patriots and the Colts and and the Chargers and
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: the Steelers and nobody else, right, it's now come back around.
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  Speaker 1: So I think you're just seeing the power balance in
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  Speaker 1: the AFC shift. That's not to take a victory lap
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  Speaker 1: on the Bills and say they're done. It's not to
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: take a victory lap on the Chiefs and say they're done,
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  Speaker 1: because that's not what I think is happening. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that their monopoly on the conference is certainly starting
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  Speaker 1: to go away.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see I still and this is the same thing
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  Speaker 2: that happened, and then I want to move on to
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: actual Patriots stuff. No, but I think this is this
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: is similar to what happened last year with Minnesota, with
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: what's happening with Daniel Jones in Indianapolis right now. Minnesota
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: goes on this run with Sam Donald. Now it turns
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: out Sam Donald just good now. I don't know, Maybe
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: Daniel Jones is fixed and he's just good now too,
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  Speaker 2: But it doesn't there feel there's a feel to it
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  Speaker 2: in my mind of like the shoot to drop that
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  Speaker 2: Daniel j One is eventually going to turn back into
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: DA saying that in like Minnesota had happened really late
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: in the season to say, im Darnold, Yeah, once they
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  Speaker 2: got into like playoff caliber games week eighteen and then
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: you know the division or I think it was a
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: wildcard round, right, wildcard round of the playoffs, Like, so
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  Speaker 2: maybe he makes it all the way to that point too.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I've been saying that he's playing pretty good football right now.
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  Speaker 1: But you also, I was just thinking of like them
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  Speaker 1: the first place seems off the top of my head,
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: like the Chargers are another team that has kind of
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: been down and they got Herbert and they couldn't figure
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: out how to maximize Herbert. But I have something.
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  Speaker 2: Climated by injuries at this point, so that team, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know that's fair. I'll even give some credit to the Broncos.
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  Speaker 1: I don't trust their offense, but that defense is still
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  Speaker 1: high level. So I just think that there were more,
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: maybe not on the Chiefs and Bills level, but how
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: many teams were there that you looked at it you said, well, okay,
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: they're not as good as the Chiefs or Bills or Ravens, right,
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  Speaker 1: but if they get them on the right day, they
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: can make it happen. There weren't even a lot of
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  Speaker 1: teams you said that about in the AFC, and I
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: think now there are and and it's it's starting to
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: dependulum starting to shift more the other way. Like I
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: don't know how real Jacksonville is. I don't, but they're
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  Speaker 1: playing really good football right now, and I'll tip my
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  Speaker 1: cap to them. And Ivy liam Cone figured something.
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  Speaker 2: Now maybe it's just a little bit of I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what the word is, Like I'm just wary of
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  Speaker 2: saying that these teams have a chance against like Kansas City.
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  Speaker 2: I just think we're on a march to Kansas City
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  Speaker 2: and Buffalo and the AFC Championship game, and we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: look up and at the end of January and say, oh, well,
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: the Colts had a nice season, Jacksonville had a nice season.
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  Speaker 2: The Patriots had a nice season. But at the end
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: of the day, we ended up where we thought we
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  Speaker 2: were gonna end.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we do. But do they cruise there because they've
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: cruised there the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: Well not Buffalo, Buffalo hasn't even made it there the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, well to not THEFC championship, but to meeting
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  Speaker 1: each other.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe I hear like.
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  Speaker 1: I just I think it's it's different. And it's also like,
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: remember three years ago, this is where I will talk
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  Speaker 1: about the division standings. Remember three years ago, it was, well,
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins got Mike McDaniel and he's a genius, and
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: they have all the speed and two it looks like
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: an MVP. And the Bills and Josh Allen they figured
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: out and they're a wagon. Oh and the Jets got
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. The Patriots won't be able to win the
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: division for the next ten years. Do you remember that, Dake. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's not how the NFL works. You cannot project beyond
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  Speaker 1: the year in the NFL, and I also just think
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  Speaker 1: I'll use a little math here. At a certain point,
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  Speaker 1: the ultimate PAIRD of the NFL has to regress to
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  Speaker 1: the mean, and new teams have to emerge.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: This is but a new teams emerging for real, and
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's where six weeks is probably still a
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  Speaker 2: little bit too small of a sample size. There's no
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  Speaker 2: doubt about it that there's new teams like the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: and the Colts and the Jaguars. I'd put them in
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: that category two that are emerging to be frisky in
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  Speaker 2: the AFBC. What are they emerging to? Are they real contenders? Don't?
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: I think we're too early so to say that.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: What are the odds they're all the real deal? Very low?
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: What are the odds none of them are the real deal?
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  Speaker 1: I would say, also very low. I don't think we're
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: going to be sitting here at the end of the
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: year talking about all of these teams, and again, we
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: want to get to the Patriots. But this would maybe
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: be a fun discussion for like a bye week, although
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: the bye week's super late and we'll know by then,
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: like which ones are real and which ones aren't? Might
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: be a fun debate. But I don't think the number zero.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's all of them, but I do
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  Speaker 1: think we're gonna get to the end of the year
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna have determined that a couple of these teams. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: these teams are the real deal.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk Patriots. The big thing with the
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Patriots coming out of this game. To me, we talk
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: a lot about on this show. We call them Tuesday players.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: We still are not a very popular guy right now,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: but it's a Michae Lombardy thing, right Tuesday players. A
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: game plan even that comes from yeah, early in the week,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: you know, the staffs or the opponent gets into the
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: a beating room and they've watched the film and they say,
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: you know, who's what do we have to take away
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: this week? Who's the guy that we need to take
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: away this week? And the way I sort of judge
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: players and have they earned that respect across the league
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: of being an elite level player is how opponents game
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: plan for them. Are they players that opponents are thinking about?
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: You know, if it's a defensive lineman, are they getting
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: double teams? Are they getting slides to their way? Are
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: they getting chipped? If their edge rushers, are they getting
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: you know, safety help over the top. If it's a
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: wide receiver, are they getting doubled? Are they getting drawing
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: number one matchups? Like things like that, And so we
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: don't need to keep talking about Drake May in the
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: sense of is he taking the year two leap? Is
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: he a top ex quarterback in the league. He's here,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Guys like, he's here, right, So he's arrived. Okay. So
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: now other question that I have is what's the rest
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: of the league going to do about it? Because the
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: way that I look at, especially coming off the Saints game,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the way that I look at the way teams are
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: defending Drake May right now, they are not respecting Drake
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: May enough like they are coming into these games the Patriots,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: and I put this stat out there multiple times, the
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Patriots are seeing the highest rate of single high safety
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: coverage in the NFL.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what third or fourth in loaded boxes in general?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one safety up top, put eight seven eight guys
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: in the box. And basically, what teams are saying is
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: we are daring your outside receivers in your downfield passing
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: game to beat us. And we know that this has
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: been the blueprint and the book on the Patriots offense
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: probably going all the way back to the end of
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Brady honestly, like probably like twenty nineteen, twenty twenty is
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: about where this pendulum started to swing in this direction.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And all Drake May has done to those coverages, you know,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: whether it's Cover three, which is single high zone or
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Cover one, which is single high man, all he has
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: done to those coverages is torch it. It's you know,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: he's literally just torched it. He's has first in the
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: league and passing yards second in the league, and EPA
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: per drop back against single high safety coverage. So at
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: some point you would think that the league is going
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: to adjust and say, this is the third rated passing
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: offense in the NFL by EPA. We cannot treat this
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: like the Patriots of the last couple of years, where
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: it was put him in long, down in distance, stop
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the run, you know, do that sort of thing. They
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: have nobody on the outside that you have to put
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: any fear into. No outside receivers are gonna scare us,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: So we're just gonna crowd the line of scrimmage and
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: we're gonna, you know, put them into third and long.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: The Patriots are too good of a passing offense to
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: play them that way anymore. And so now here comes
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the league adjustment for Drake May. And I'm just really curious,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: you know, first of all, does the league start to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: adjust to Drake in that sense, like do they start
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: to adjust to the Patriots passing offense and say, now
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: this is the Tuesday element of this offense, is we
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: have to take away the passing game. And how then,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: of course, do Josh McDaniels and Drake May adjust to
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: seeing more too high safety, to seeing more cushion soft
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: zone things like that, and even starting this week, like
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the Titans don't have a great defense, they don't have
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: great personnel on defense, but Dinard Wilson is a good
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: defensive coordinator who gave Drake May some problems last year
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: in his rookie season down there in Nashville. And they
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: play a lot of too high safety zone, like they
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: don't play a ton of post safety or single high
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: safety manner zone. So Item number one, do we start
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: to see on film that teams are game planning differently
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: against the Patriots? Item number two, what is then, of course,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: the Patriots adjustment to that chess match. And the third
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: thing that I want to get to that we don't
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: necessarily have to tackle right now, is this whole run
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: game thing that's happening and the fact that the Patriots
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: can't really run the football, and does that start to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: find its level as well because the teams aren't stunting,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: gap penetration, run blitzing, putting eight guys in the box,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden, there's less clutter at
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage and now there's more open lanes
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: for the Patriots running backs. So I'm excited to see
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: what happens now that Drake May is starting to establish
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: himself like an elite quarterback because he's not being defended
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: like an elite quarterback.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: So I want to rewind to something you said in
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: there earlier about, you know, talking about Drake May has
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: arrived and all of that. I said this on a
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: show yesterday, and I kind of felt ridiculous saying it,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: So I'm glad to hear you say it. So we
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: obviously didn't do the show and Brady was here. We did.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: We were what two shows against two shows that go
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: for us for us, But like you know, really going
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty one, I mean we've started every show,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in every column we've written and everything, and every day
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: of training camp and every game is what did the
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: quarterback do? How was the quarterback? Was it a good
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: day for the quarterback? Was it a bad day for
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the quarterback? And yeah, I'm not gonna say quarterbacks never
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: going to be a focus because it's a National Football League,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: but like we we wouldn't come on here the day
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: after Brady game and look, it was a good game
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: for Drake maybe you know what complete? Was it? Eighteen
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: to twenty six, two hundred and sixty yards, a couple
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: of touchdowns, like had three. We wouldn't have come on
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: here and been like, well, tom Brady's heading in the
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: right direction. It's so good they have Tom Brady right,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and it was. We would have started the show as example,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: He's like, we probably would have started a show talking
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: about key Shan Boody, what a great game he had
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and you know, awesome home coming to him for New Orleans.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: But this is just in the modern NFL, in the
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: world we live in. Do you have the quarterback? Is
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the quarterback the guy? Is such an important question and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I do think that's kind of the next level of
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: the Drake may discourse and I kind of can't wait
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to get there. Is we don't hyper fixate on Drake May,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and it's not to diminish anything he's doing, but I
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: can't wait for the day and you saying that maybe
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that's today, I can't wait for the day that Drake
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: May played well is not news, right, it's just the standard.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And I do feel I don't know that we're there yet,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: but I do feel like we're kind of getting there.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And then that's I don't know why I feel like
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I'm saying this, and it sounds like I'm knocking him.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's a terrific thing, right, because thing of like, again,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: think about it, we wouldn't now look if he those
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: were five hundred yards. Yeah, we're gonna come on here
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and open about Drake May, obviously, but you know, there
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: were some of those games where Brady was kind of fine,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and he was moving the team up and down the field,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and he didn't play portally at all, but you know,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: maybe the run game was the big story. The defense
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: had a couple turnovers or you know, who knows, and
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: we get around. So yeah, and you know, I thought
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Brady played well, and we might you know, pick a
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: thing there here too, And it's gonna be cool when
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Drake gets to that point where where we're like not
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: doing the thirty minute. Drake may break down after every
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: game because I do think we're gonna get there.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, We're we're really close to that point.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: And so to your point, some of that too is
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: gonna come with all right, Like once teams are daring
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: them to run the ball and truly taking away the pass,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you know, the run game is gonna be the focus.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: So I teams, I'm surprised they're still doing it at
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: this point, but you're right, teams can't continue to defend
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the Patriots this way.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, So just to get more into some more specifics
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: about Drake May in the passing game, I think the
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: biggest thing that stands out to me from Drake May
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: just as an individual play, is that like he doesn't
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: make bad instructure decisions anymore. Like when he when I
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: watch his film and I watch how he reads the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: field and how he's seeing coverage and how he's processing
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the game, there are one or two and this was
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: you know, when you see great quarterbacks, as tends to
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: be the case, there are one or two plays a
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: game now where you say was that really the best
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: option for where the ball should have gone? If that?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Like in this game, I thought that there was one
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: mental error for him the entire game, and that was
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the delay of game in the red zone. Like that
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: was the one time that's not even a post snap
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: processing error, that's just a pre snap thing that he
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: doesn't make bad decisions anymore in terms of his processing
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and the decisions to that.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: You said bad decisions in structure. Yeah, also not making
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a bad play worse last year on the bat and look,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the bad snap was a bad play, the fourth down
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: bad snap last year, Drake Nay tries to pick up
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: all up throws it. It probably gets tipped and picked off
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: right falling on the ball there understanding the plays loss.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: It's a bad situation. Don't make it worse. Like it's
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: not just instructure overall, he's making much better decisions.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know he's credited a lot of this
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: to the pass protection. They deserve some credit for it
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: as well. But his ball security in the pocket has
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: been tremendously improved. And I just remember the first preseason
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: game against Washington and he comes out and he gets
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: stripsacked on the first third down of the game, and
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: it looked exactly like his rookie season, Like he'd told
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: in the ball a little bit too long. The ball's out,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: you know, and vulnerable when he starts to move. Now,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: when you watch him move with the football, he's got
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: two hands on the ball, and he's doing some things
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: in the pocket that are really advanced in terms of
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: his ball security. Of like he'll put two hands on
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: the ball and he'll like swing his arms through so
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: when he feels that edge pressure coming from behind him,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: he'll just take the football and it's usually here right
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: because it's loaded in his right hand, and he like
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: swings it through to the left hip and sort of
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: protects the football as he's sliding or as he's moving
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: around in the pocket. We have seen Josh McDaniels and
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Ashton Grant drill that with him, going all the way
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: back to the spring. They do the same quarterback drills
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: every single day to start practice. During positional drills of
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: guys coming around the edge were swatting down at his arm,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: which used to be like all the way out here.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Remember all of the elongated throwing motion and all that conversation,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: like now, it's also tight and the ball is so
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: tight to his body that when he moves in the pocket,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: he's not getting strip sacked as much. And some of
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: that's timing, some of that's pass protection, but I think
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of it too is just his mechanics in
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the pocket, his awareness of pressure, and then his ability
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: to protect the football. So last year as a rookie,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: he was averaging a turnover worthy play on three point
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: five percent of his dropbacks. That's all the way down
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: to two percent, the very tenth in the league. So
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: he's a top ten quarterback now in the league in
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: terms of yeah of turnover worthy plays. A guy that
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: we had concerns coming into the year about him turning
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the football all over. He's not putting the ball at
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: harm's way nearly as often, and that has to go
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to what I was talking about with the processing, but
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: also with the ball security in the pocket and the
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: mechanics in the pocket as well. I mean, we can
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: go throw by some of the individual throwers are just
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: unbelievable in this game, obviously, but I think that those
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: couple of things are how he has taken the next
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: step from flashing to being consistent, and like, that's when
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: when you're consistent, that's when the efficiency starts to get
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: driven up. It's you know, we saw the flashes his
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: rookie season. Now he's efficiently protecting the football and we're
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: still seeing the playmaking ability shine. And it's just been
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: really fun to see the Other thing that really stood
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: out to me on this tape from this game.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: One more thing on Mett and you kind of hit
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: on it, But it feels like you talk about the
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: growth each week, it's something new and you see it
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: in real time. So last week it was all the
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: rollouts to the right, right, and he's rolling out to
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the right, he's thrown on, he's making these big plays,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and that was something new him doing that, not him
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: doing that, but him doing that as consistently as he
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: did and as well as he did. So talking to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: people that cover the Saints this week, it kind of
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: sounded like the point of emphasis was don't let May
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: outside of the pocket, right, keep him in the pocket,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: don't let him get on those rollouts, which logically that
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: would be the book on a quarterback that did what
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Drake made did to the Bills. So what does Drake
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: May do stands in the pocket. I thought his ability
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: to navigate the pocket, that's the best I've seen him do.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: That was outstanding, and he makes him pay from the pocket.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: So one you see the growth in real time, some
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: of those plays where he's moving around the pocket, climbing
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the pocket, like he was in the same situation against
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh a month ago and got stripsacked right, and now
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: those are going for thirty yard completions. You can see
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the growth happen in real time. You can see we
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: can point to something from the first two or three
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: weeks and say this needs to be done better, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: then in the last couple of games you see the
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: exact same situation and it's here, it's done correctly. That's
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: really cool to see. The other thing that does big picture.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: You hear about this a lot, and I'm sure we'll
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: hear it with Drake soon if it hasn't started yet.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Once these guys get to around twenty starts and I
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: think May is at seventeen now eighteen now, although two
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of those he had the one Jets game he got
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: knock knocked out of early and then the Bills game
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: at the end of last year. Like you start hearing
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the well, once the league has tape on him, it's
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the legue has tape on him. What's gonna happen in
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the league has tape on him. So he's canceling out
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of those things, because again, what's the book
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: on Drake may Well? Don't let him roll right? He
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: killed the Bills rolling right, keep them in the pocket. Okay, well,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: now he just killed the Saints in the pocket, So
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: now where does the book go. Don't let him hit
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you with the short stuff. Well, a lot of the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: most of the the sprays are gone. He's not sailing
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the short stuff, all right, Well, don't let him beat
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you deep. Well, you know, then you're leaving the shorts
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: like he's just every time. And this is not unusual,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: but like with a young quarterback, it's kind of process
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of elimination. All right, Well, he's doing this well, so
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: we need to test him and see if he can
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: beat us this way. Okay, well he just beat us
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: this way, so we need to try this other thing
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and see if he can beat us this way. And
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: he's just answering test after test after tests. So as
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: there's more film about him, he's continuing to kind of
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: evolve his game either of all this game or just
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: go into the toolbox and pull out tools that he
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: hasn't used yet, and it's gonna make it hard for
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: teams to kind of get that sophomore slump on them
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and get that you know, I don't know what you
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: cout tape bump or whatever on them.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy to just see the playmaking still hold
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: strong as the turnover where he plays and decision making improves,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: because normally when you start to be less aggressive and
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: stuff like that and less erratic, you don't see as
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: many big time throws down the field because it just
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: goes hand in hand, right, If you're not taking as
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: many chances, you're not gonna have as many high level plays,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: but you're also not gonna have as many low level
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: plays either. He's still having all the high level plays
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: and he's just eliminating the low level plays, right, which
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: is when you know you have something special. The other
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: thing that was really encouraging and kind of goes hand
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: in hand with my theme here about you know, our
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: defense is going to start to adjust and play more
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: too high safety and back off this Patriots passing offense
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: a little bit. This was the one of the more
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: encouraging games I thought in terms of receiver separation down
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the field, Like the last time the Patriots had this
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: kind of deep passing game production where guys were actually
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: breaking open down the field, I don't know. I honestly
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: don't know when the last time that that happened. You know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: they get the dressed up play with you know, clearly
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: a designed a scripted shot play to pop Douglas on
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the opening drive like that that route where he know
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: nods to the corner and then breaks on the post.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: He's got five six yards of separation wide. Yeah, I
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: mean that is not something that you see from a
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Patriots offense fifty yards down the field very often. Kaishan
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Boodie on his second touchdown just shakes the corner and
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: gets wide open on a man to man rep. As well.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Stefan Digs on fourth down, you know, moves the chains
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: on a little slant where he's just that's just pitching catch,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: you know, seven on seven in July for Stefan Digs
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: and Drake May having all of these different things happen
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: on the film in this game, Drake May four for
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: five on deep passes, had one taken away because of
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: a bogus OPI had another taken away because of a
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: bogus OPI has.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Another taken away because of a non DPI.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Right, So, like, if you add back in his numbers
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: alone with four for five, three touchdowns on deep passes
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: are good enough. Now imagine if you add back in
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: one hundred and thirteen yards and another touchdown. Now, maybe
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the booty touchdown doesn't happen because the pop touchdown would
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: have happened. But you get my point, yeah, is that
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: they they really were able to throw the ball down
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: the field. Some of the I tweeted this out last night.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Some of Drake May's deep passing numbers are just absolutely absurd.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: He is he's late or seventy percent completion percent.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Actually, he's ten of thirteen on deep throws to start
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: the season. Uh that's that's like seventy six percent.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. So next Gen the league outge is like
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: forty percent.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: So next Gen goes back to twenty sixteen, and for
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: passers with a minimum of five deep pass attempts in
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: the season, he has the best completion rate that I
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that in the next Gen era right now on deep
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: passes now obviously that could you know, find its level,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: and that could by the end of the season he
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: might come back down to earth. But his passer rating
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: on deep throws right now is one hundred and fifty seven.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty eight point three is a perfect
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: pass rating. So you're saying, so he's essentially perfect on
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: the deep ball at this point. And I just was
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: highly encouraged, you know, and this is where we can
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: kind of talk about Kai Shan Booties performance as well.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I was just highly encouraged about how open some of
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: these receivers were getting because that was not something that
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: we have seen a lot here in this neck of
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the woods football wise. How long have we been talking
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: about separation and a lack thereof of receiver separation and
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: do they have enough talent at receiver and they need
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: number one receiver and maybe they still do need like
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: a true number one alpha dog, right like AJ Brown,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: you know, or someone like that. But this receiver room
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: deserves a ton of credit. They've played some really good football.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: It hasn't always been volume, you know, for everybody, but
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: when they get the ball thrown their way, and this
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: has kind of been the story of kaishon Booty's season.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Kaishon Boody's caught in eighteen of the twenty three targets
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: thrown his way this year. Yeah, that efficiency is off
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: the charts. I was just really highly encouraged by how
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: open guys were getting. I haven't been able to say
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: that in a while. Obviously, we can talk a little
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: bit about Boo. Just a great performance by him as well.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was awesome, and just not only is he
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: catching a lot of these targets, all five of his
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: catches in this game win for first downs. His last
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: ten catches have gone for first downs. Going back to
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the Steelers game, sixteen of his eighteen catches have gone
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: for first downs. And it's not like they're using him
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: on these little dink and dunk third and two, third
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and threes. Fifteen of his eighteen catches this year have
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: been for ten or more yards. Of the two that
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: are not first downs, Evan one of them was in
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the opener. It's a second and fifteen. He runs the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: rout a yard short of the sticks because the corner
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: is sitting on the sticks, gets a fourteen yard game
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: on second and fifteen. They pick up the first down
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: on the next play, he's moving the chains and he's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: being a tremendous intermediate threat. I think he's like sixth
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: in the league in yards per catch. I know he's
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: top ten. So to have that high of a first
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: down rate on targets, not on catches, on targets, Yeah,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: to have that high of a first down rate on
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: targets and still have the yards per catch be that
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: high is nuts. He is average one first down every
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: one point four targets, highest rate in the league among
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: receivers with at least twenty targets. The next closest is
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill at one point seven. The gap between Kaishawn
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Booty and the next closest receiver in that regard is
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the same as the gap between the second and ninth
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: ranked receiver in that regard. We talked about it in
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: the summer. They needed somebody to maybe not be and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: they're doing some true vertical stuff with Booty. It's mostly
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: been like just outside the red zone and these like
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: thirty yard goal balls for touchdowns. He had one of
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: those in this game. He had one of the Miami
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: game as well. But we talked about their need to
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: have a guy that maybe wasn't high volume, but was
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: high yards per catch and was their first down guy.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Now I thought it was gonna be Pop Douglas to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: this point that is not beared out, but they needed
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: a guy to step up in that role. Kashawan Boody
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: is absolutely stepped up in that role.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: He's been their best vertical threat on this offense. And
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I think what really stands out to me with him
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: is his contested catchability has just been fantastic guy. I mean,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: you saw that on his first touchdown where he wins
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: at the catch point there on the go route. The
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: third and eleven played at ice the game is another
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: back shoulder fade contested catch. He's caught five of his
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: seven contested targets playing on the outside. That's a very
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: high rate of catch rate for contested targets. It's usually
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: that's like true. You know, you can call him fifty
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: to fifty balls for a reason, and he's well over
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: fifty percent on those. I think his play strength and
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: his physicality at the catch point has improved leaps and bounds,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: and then his awareness along the sideline. I mean, I
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: can't help but go back to his rookie season in
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the first game against Philadelphia where he doesn't get a
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: foot and bounds.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I think it was a learning moment.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's been phenomenal in that regard. Two weeks
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: in a row on Sunday, he catches a little out
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: and slides down in bounds to make the Saints burn
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: a time out. Then he stays in bounds on the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: back shoulder fade. He did the same thing on the
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: whole shot against Buffalo, where he stayed you know, got
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: down immediately to stay in bounds there to keep the
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: clock winding. Like these are plays that I've actually asked
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: him about afterwards, and he's aware of these situations like
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: this isn't like by accident, Yeah, Like he's doing this
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: type of stuff on purpose. That kind of awareness is
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: really a testament to him and him being locked in
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: and really you know, honing in on his craft, which
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know it was something that was in
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: his bag. He's always been very talented, but that was
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the question mark right maturity, you know, being locked in
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: on and off the field. Like he's had some issues
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: there and he was open about it after the game
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: on Sunday that he's had some issues in those regards
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: and now he's just so laser sharp in a lot
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: of these situations. So a ton of credit to Kaishan Boody.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: The last thing I wanted to say about the passing offense,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: just because you know, to kind of put a bow
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: on all of this. A good stuff for them. The
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: pass blocking has been really, really good. Now. Some of
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: that is scheme and design, and I do want to
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: give Doug Moron and Josh McDaniels their flowers for that.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: They are not allowing teams to just tee off on
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: their tackles all that much. They're getting a lot of help,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of chips, a lot of slides, a lot
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: of double teams, a lot of Max Protect, like the
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Pop Douglas touchdown is they leave bol tight ends in
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: they get double teams kind of across the board, just
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: in Max Protect, loaded up type of play. So it's
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: not all just you know, Morgan, Moses, Will Campbell, these
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: guys on islands. But to their credit, when they have
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: been on islands, they've held up well. Will Campbell hasn't
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: allowed to sack since week one. Yeah, and he's allowed
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: some hurries. And there were some hurries in this game.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: And I had some sort of criticisms of his game,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I would say, coming off this one, especially in the
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: run game, for basically across the board, which we'll get to,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: but the pass protection by pretty much every metric is
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: now trending towards the top of the league. And if
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: you told me that that's where they were going to
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: be after where they have been the last couple of years,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: especially last year as an offensive line, that's really impressive.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: And maybe it's not the best run blocking line. We
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: thought it would be better and hasn't been. Maybe it's not.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's more of a finesse line and they're really
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: just built to pass protect. But if they pass protect
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: like this, I'll take it. I mean that this is
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: exactly why. A huge reason i'd say this is probably
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: like Drake May. If you want to hand out the
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: credit to the players in terms of the passing game,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Drake May is probably sixty five percent.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: YEA.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: The offensive line, I would say might be even more
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: of a big deal. In the receivers at this point,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: they've done a really nice job.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: It's been great. It's been great. No blowbys, you know,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the penalties are minimal, the pressures are minimal. A lot
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: tolike in terms of the pass blocking. Uh.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Moving on to the defense. I did have one good
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: thing I thought from the defense in this game, looking
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: at some of the numbers and also just the way
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the game unfolded.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: We're doing what we're doing, good, the bad, and what
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: gets you beat?
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So do you do you have anything else?
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: No?
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I just I don't know that we introduced it that way,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: so I want to make sure it's that's why we're
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: not going offense to offense. That's not where we're going
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: past game right to run.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great, great hosting by me there.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Uh, wait to get to the reads.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: We definitely got off the rails with talking about the
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: rest of the NFL conversation though, that's what threw me off.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: It was an interesting last good thing here, and then
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: we'll get to some of the stuff they need to
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: work on. I thought the second half defense was good again.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I thought they made some big plays and key moments
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: in the second half, especially here you have the Marcus
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Jones sack on third down. It forces a field goal
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: they get to stop. Finally on that third down play
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: with Christian Gonzales late in the game, Christianelli's forcing the
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: fumble right Christianelli's forces a fumble. Yep. So if you're
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: just looking at it, you know, they they kind of
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: settled down again defensesively in the second half. We'll get
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: to the first half and we'll get to some of
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: the issues with the starts on defense, but overall I
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: thought that they once again the game kind of declared
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: and they sort of adjusted and were able to figure
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: it out.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I have a big picture take on the defense that
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I guess is kind of the good and the bad.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: It depends how you want to look at. It's glass
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: half full of glass half empty. That's a game schematically no,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: but like the overall strategy that would have fit right
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: in in the Bill Belichick Ben don't break era. Yeah,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you know, people kept asking why are these there's you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: what are the corners doing. The receivers are super open.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I think that was kind of the plan because the
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: plays they're open on are all like hitches and quick
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: in cuts and things like that. And you know, I
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: talked about it last week. Did the way New Orleans
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: is built roster wise a little similar to Miami with
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: the speed you get beat down the field big on
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: the first play, which I don't love the corner blitz
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: on the first play the game, especially against that offense.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: But you get beat down the field in the first
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: play game. Maybe this helped reinforce it. But that was
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Ben don't break. That was we're going to sit back,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: We're going to allow the short stuff. We're going to
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: step up and tackle. They tackled well, only two miss
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: tackles in this game. And we're gonna make Spencer Rattler
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: be perfect. And de Spencer Ratler's credit like he was.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: He handled that situation better than I thought he would. Yeah,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: like he played pretty well. But you know, as much
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: as that defensive ever felt painful in the moment, like
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: watching it, it was a little bit of a tough watch,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I think if you're a Patriots fan, But when you
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: go back and look at the big picture, like I
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: said this to my my Buddi's like, defense playing horrible.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: This is like, you know, a little bit into the
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: game or a little bit in the you know, towards
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the end of the game, I was like, rest, they've
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: only allowed one touchdown, right, He was like, no, it
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: feels like more right, they only allowed one touchdown. The
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Saints are three of nine on third downs. They got
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: under the Patriots half of the field five times and
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: they came away with nineteen points. Yeah, that's if you're
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: an offense. That's not like that's a problem. You're going
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: back and that's one of the biggest things you're revisiting.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: So was it perfect defensively?
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: No?
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: And what was odd was so I think there were
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: ben don't break on the back end, but they stayed
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: aggressive up front, which is you know in the ben
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: don't break bill us talking about this all the time
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and incompletion is just as good as a sack, just
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: keeping behind the chains, and that's why they wouldn't be
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: so aggressive on that pass rush and just moving the
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: quarterback off his spot or just bumping him and making
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: him throw it away, even if it's not a sack,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: might be worth it. But you had a couple of
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: times where rushers were running by Spencer Rattler and creating
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: lanes for Spencer Ratler that wouldn't have all otherwise been
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: there with a more disciplined rush. So you know, there
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: was that element of it which I think made a
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: little more frustrating. But again, five trips to the plus
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: side of the field, only one touchdown show for it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Three of nine on third downs under three hundred total yards,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Patriots average more pot yards per play than the Saints
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: did outside of the kneel downs at the end of
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the game. If the game playan truly was Ben don't break.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: We don't want to get beat by the speed by
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: the way new they're starting free safety either, which might
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: have made them, like Jalen Hawkins probably would have been
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: a big player in this game be played. That might
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: have made them go a little more towards us. We're
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: going to play its. If we're gonna sit back on it,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: we're going to force the underneath. We're gonna step up,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: We're gonna tackle. We're gonna make them beat us by
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: a million paper cuts. If that was the game plan,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: they executed that game plan, and they executed it relatively well.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: If that wasn't the game plan, I'd be a little
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: more worried. But I do think that they kind of
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: viewed this and bred it to Zach Kor and we've
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: seen them be a game plan defense here at times
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: early in the year. I think that was a Ben
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: don't break game and that's what they did.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I'm just looking at it
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: statistically They played sixty five percent of their downs and
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: off coverage in this game on the outside. Yeah, in
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Buffalo it was only forty percent. And they played a
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: lot of zone too, right, Yeah, a lot of zone,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: seventy percent zone. So like they last week, it was
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: we came out of the you know on the show,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: and I talked a lot about playing man and challenging
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: the Bills and receivers and impressed playing press, and they
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: are forty percent man and they were in the receiver's
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: faces and all that different stuff, and I love that
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: game plan. This week they definitely went ben don't break.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: You know, sixty five percent off coverage. They average like
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: almost seven yards of cushion on the outside to these receivers.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: So whether it was that was the plan going in,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: or Chris Olave hit a fifty three yard bomb on
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: the first play of the game and they were like,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: all right, I can't imagine. I don't know.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk about that, like, I can't
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: imagine you throw your entire game plan out over one play.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I'd have to think they went in with the baseline
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: and we're going to play this bend don't break. But
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that maybe reinforced it and like, all right,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: we're going to like really live in this instead of
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: just like kind of have it as an option.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: So the interesting thing that I think, you know, comes
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: out of this game from a defensive standpoint, they are
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: not doing well defensively against the pass. Just from an
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: efficiency standpoint, you know, they're twenty third in drop back EPA,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: they're twenty fifth and passer rating allowed if you want
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: to use passer rating, so they're down near the bottom
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: of the league as a pass defense. But they're seventh
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: in the league in scoring defense. They're giving up twenty
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: points a game. So this is as a defense, a
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: lot of this has turned into sort of ben don't
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: break as a unit all season long. You know, I
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: said yesterday on Unfiltered, we kind of were on the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: same wavelength. It reminds me of like the Patricia Bill
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: defenses right where you know, there's a lot of bend
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: don't break in there. Every once in a while, they're
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: gonna throw an exotic, you know, scheme at the defense
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: at the offense, excuse me, that might lead to a
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: negative play, whether it's a big sack on third down
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: to force a field goal or a turnover or something
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: like that. But it's opportunistick with the turnovers. It's exotic
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: third down pressure when you get into long you know,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: third down and pass situations. But other than that, they
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: played a lot of Bend don't break. Now. The one
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: thing that I would say that makes me a little
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: bit annoyed by that, yeah, is you have Christian Zales
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: and Carlton Davis and you're playing ben don't break. Right,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: you would think that they.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Didn't have Christian Zalees for part of the year.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Sure, but it hasn't really changed all that much.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe changed in Buffalo. Well, so that's the thing. So
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: they never at the beginning of the year, the Carolina game,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: they just they could do whatever they want to doors. Yeah,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: the Bills game is I think, how we want them
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: to play and how we expect them to play, right, Yes,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: And now you go into this and this is a
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: matchup game. So let's say, mate, what if that was
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: a one off? Would you change that take if that
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: game was a one off? And they just looked at
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: it and said, this is how we have to play
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: the Saints. So we're gonna play them that way and
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: then we'll get back to it. Next week.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe I just look at this, I'm not rolling that out.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I look at their numbers in terms of the passing game. Yeah,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: and it's not very It doesn't feel very sustainable to
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: be honestly, use passerrating to be twenty fifth in the
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: league and passer rating allowed and only be giving up
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: twenty point zero games. Guys, those two things don't usually
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: go hand in hand.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: The other thing I would add to that is pat
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: you're talking about like old school passerating, right, yep, so
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: old school passer rating.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Or you can go EPA is twenty third and les.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing with these efficiency things. And I
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: don't know the exact formula for EPA, but like I
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: know the pass rating, so it weighs completion percentage heavily, yep,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: and it weighs turnover heavily. So even if you're not
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: true ben, don't break. But you're getting beat on a
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: bunch of quick hitters and you're stepping up and making
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: the tackle, it's gonna look efficient. But if it's like
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: this is kind of what Carolina did to them, where
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: they hit a bunch of like four yard passes, and
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: so I think that drags the efficiency down, But that's
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: ultimately good defense if you're stepping up and tackling so
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: and they just they haven't. They should have more interceptions
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: than they do. Like I I feel like.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: It just kind of breaks my brain a little bit
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: from a nerd standpoint of like how could they be
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: this bad against the pass statistically? But then you look
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: up and the opponent.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Only what does tape tell you?
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's one and the same. Like, I
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: don't think they defend pass particularly well right now, especially
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the field. Like I think that
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: you saw in this game, it's a lot of inbreaking
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: routes into the middle of the field. The corners are
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: playing zone technique, so they're playing outside leverage, they're bailing,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: and then these you know, a Lave and Shaheed are
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: cutting into the middle of the field of the defense
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: and these linebackers that are dropping underneath are not squeezing
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: those windows enough, you know. I think it was really
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: kind of like a juxtaposition because they hit the dagger
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: route to Brandon Cooks for twenty one yards earlier in
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: the drive, and you just saw you know, Robert splaying
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: kind of get manipulated out of the passing window a
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: little bit, and then to Splaine's credit, on the third
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: down play that they got the stop. It's the same concept.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: They run the same dagger concept, and this time they
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: squeeze it a little bit more and it's an incomplete pass,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: you know. And Ratler started front side and came back
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: to it, So maybe the timing was a little bit
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: to do with that as well, But overall I thought
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: that that was like a good you know, we talk
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: about Drake May learning and getting better play to play.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: They didn't get beat by it again, but I see
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of open receivers, and I think that when
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: you look at the pressure rate numbers, that also is
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: innificate of that, because I do think they're getting pressure
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: on the quarterback, but it doesn't feel like it's meaningful
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: pressure because I think that there's space to throw the football.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: So I'll go a couple of things. One, I do
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: think they've had some opportunities to get turnovers that haven't
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: turned into turnovers and that will help. And Two, I
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: part of me and I don't necessarily have anything to
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: base this on other than you know, what our priors were,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: but I do wonder if the Saints game was They're
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: really fast team. We don't have our free safety. We
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: know we can beat up on their defense. If this
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: turns into a little bit of a shootout, let's just
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: not give up big plays. We're gonna play this game
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: is Ben, don't break, and we'll get because that's just
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: good coaching, and then we'll get back to what we
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: do to doing what we do moving forward.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm less concerned about because I think they're going
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: to be game plan oriented and it's going to change
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: week to week. It just did like it went to
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: can to man in Buffalo and then zone in New Orleans.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I'm more wondering from a big picture, holistic standpoint, is
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: it sustainable to be low efficiency against the pass but
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: keep teams out of the end zone?
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: What like?
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Is that well if they can keep keep keeping teams
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: out of the end zone, it is like, yeah, if
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: you're keeping teams out of the end zone, it is
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: that sustainable. So can you be low efficiency against the
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: pass and still keep teams out of the end zone?
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: What was their efficiency against Buffalo?
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: H Josh Allen was you know average in that game?
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: So they did they did recover a little bit better.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Against So when they play that's to me, that's the
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: only real data point we have on their defense because
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: they nevins. Also the first three games, Carolina game got
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: out of hand early, and then the Saints game. Well,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I guess it's I shouldn't say it's the only real
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: data point we have on their defense. I think it's
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: it's the Bills game or the Saints game. What do
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: you think is more indicative of what their defense is.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I almost feel like you have to throw the games
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: without Gonzales out. Yeah, it impacts the way the defense.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: It's tough to say because even with gonz like, the
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: numbers with Gonzalez are not that much better than they
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: were without him.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: You just said they were fine in the Bills game.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm telling you, like from like the three
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: game sample versus the three game sample. Okay, I'm not
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: like their their defense is not like Gonzalez is not
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: coming into this defense and making this world a difference.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: But what I'm telling you is that it's not the
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: three games with Gonzalz versus three games without like it is,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: and it isn't. It's they know Gonzalzo. The first three
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: games that impacted the defense, the Carolina game we did that.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: We came in the next day and said, like, you
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: got to throw a lot of that game out stat
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: wise because it was almost all garbage time. Right, So
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: it's the Bills game was a real competitive game. They've
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: only played two real competitive games with Christian Gonzalez.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't like the Bills game was perfect, Like
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: they still.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: The Bills game wasn't perfect, but was it like was
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: good good enough? You said they were fun going on,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: you said it.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Was good enough, but this game was good enough, Like
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: they only give up nineteen points.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: We just said, efficiency wise, it wasn't good enough.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: But that's my.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: You're claiming the d the underlying number of efficient. This
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: is not me knocking the analytics. Is just we're having conversation,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Like the underlying numbers say, even though the points are
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: low in the Sands game, it's maybe not sustainable. What
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: did the underlying numbers and the Bills games say, because
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: they played very differently the same thing. Like okay, well
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: you had said it was fine, it.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Is fine, but like I'm telling you from like a
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: big picture standpoint, from all of looking at all of it,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: like they right now are not a good pass defense.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: And I thought once they got Gonzalez back, Now they
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: got him back this week, he played this week. Technically,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: who knows where his hamstring is? You know it's yeah,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: he's been on and off the injury report. You know,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: he's questionable coming into this game, Like, who knows really
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: where he is physically. But the point that I'm trying
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: to get at is that normally when you see defenses
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: that are not good at defense the past, it's a
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: house of cards. Like you hold on in the red zone,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: you hold on in the scoring zone in certain weeks,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: and other weeks you don't like when they play Tampa
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks, when they even like I
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: don't think Pennox has been great. But if when they
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: play Atlanta and they have Bijon and they have Drake
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: London and they have real weapons that are coming at you,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: like I just I don't know if his defense is
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: a paper tiger right now, and I hope it's not,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: but it just it feels a little bit like a
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: house of cards to me, in the sense that the
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: numbers from an efficiency standpoint, like this is why I'm
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: not trying to get into a whole analytics thing with you.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: But like this is why things like points and yards
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: like lack context, right, because like points are something that
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: is very very situational, Like did they produce in the
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: red zone where they playing a good enough offense to
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: sustain offense? Like all these different elements of a game
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: in the flow of a game.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: What does the tape tell you?
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing. I don't know why you keep
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: asking me that it's like the same thing, like to
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: take like they do not defend the pass particularly, well,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: that's what everybody's telling you. The coverage is not very
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: good at thet Is that going to Are they going
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: to be able to hold teams to twenty points a
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: game playing pass defense?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I thought outside of Kincaid, which is not insignificant, but
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I thought outside of Kinkaid, their pass defense was fine
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: against the Bills. You know, they weren't the twenty fourteen
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Patriots with Reeves and Browner, But I thought the pass
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: defense was fine. I didn't think it was a negative
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: of anything was a positive outside of Kincaid. And they
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: do have to get better at covering tight ends, like
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: that's my big worry is tight ends and to an
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: extent running It's it's the non receivers killing them is
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: what worries mean. You mentioned the Falcons Kyle Pitts and
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Bijon Robinson is a great example of this. Even the
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Browns in a couple of weeks with David Joku and
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Quinn Show Judkins getting it going a little bit. So
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: you know, was I did not think they covered the
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: pass as well against the Saints. I kind of think
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: that was part of the game plan, and so I'm
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: just interested to I feel like with Gonzales, I feel
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: like I haven't seen enough to make a definitive decision
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: of where I'm at with their pass defense.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: That's fair. It definitely needs some more sample, I will
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: say Gonzales, I just if they lose their coverages hasn't
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: been particularly good, and a lot of it, I would say,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: is the linebackers in safeties, which is not going to
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: fix itself overnight. Like this is the personnel that they have.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think Gonzales, Like I'm not trying to pick
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: on Gonzalez or pick on even Carlton Davis, like, I
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: don't think it's them that is like the holistic problem.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: It's just that Gonzales has not come back and turn
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: this into a dominant pass defense. Like maybe we thought
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: it was going to be with those two corners because
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: I think that their linebackers and safeties are not good.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: So that that's fair too. Like I think that the
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: coverage on receivers has been better, but they still need
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: to get better cut the tight ends thing is what
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: worries me the most.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna throw to a quick break. When
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: we come back, we want to talk about the run
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: game on offense and some of the struggles. There have
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: a few more things to get to and then your
• 57:56
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  Speaker 2: do want to talk a little bit about the run game.
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are asking questions about
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  Speaker 2: the run game. I think that the hardest part of
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  Speaker 2: breaking down tape is breaking down the run game because
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  Speaker 2: it's never one thing, Like it's always a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: different things on one play that leads to a bad run.
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  Speaker 2: It's very seldom like I can just look at this
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  Speaker 2: like that really doesn't happen a whole lot with the
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  Speaker 2: run games, so it's kind of a different thing every week.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of a different thing every play. This game,
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  Speaker 2: in particular, the blocking really struggled. I thought that the
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  Speaker 2: blocking had been so so in the past five weeks,
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  Speaker 2: and the running backs, along with average blocking, were just
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: really bogging them down this game. They only had nineteen
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: total yards before contact on the ground, good nineteen. Rimandre Stevenson,
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  Speaker 2: for all of his struggles, had more yards after contact
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  Speaker 2: than he did total rushing yards in this game. So
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  Speaker 2: they did not block the very well. They had six
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  Speaker 2: negative runs or Last week we talked a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about how at least they were getting positive yards on
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: every single play. Was not the case this week. They
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: went backwards multiple times in this game. So what's your
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: So my big picture opinion on the run game is
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: that I do think there is a little bit of
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: a chicken or the egg thing going on here with
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: how defenses are defending the Patriots. I still see on
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: film that defenses are extremely aggressive against the Patriots under
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  Speaker 2: center in particular, you know, run blitzink, stunting, slanting, gap penetrations,
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  Speaker 2: like different things that teams use to blow up runs.
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  Speaker 2: I'd still feel like teams are doing that a lot
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: against the Patriots. So does that continue? Does the pass
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: game success cause them to drop back? That's sort of
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: the chest match of it, if you will. But they
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: also just have issues in the run game, and they're
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: not a particularly good run offense. Like I'm not saying
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: it's all that, it's definitely a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a lot of things. You hope
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  Speaker 1: the past game success opens it up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: That's part of it. I do wonder if it becomes
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  Speaker 1: mental at a point, like it felt like improving the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: run game was the point of emphasis for them last week,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: which is why it was so disappointing that because I
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: said this last week like the run game hadn't been bad,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: it just hadn't been good. Yeah, it's kind of like
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: borderline functional, and this week it was bad. So you know,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: where do you go from there? We do the deep
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: diyes on this show, But isn't there an element Evan?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: And we talked about this earlier in the year, right
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: when the defense was having trouble and they had all
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: those mistackles, and remember we were talking about Roberts Plane
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: and it was like, yeah, you know, there's not really
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: a schematic answer. He just needs to play better.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I do think there's an element of that with the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: run game for the Backs and the line that we've
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: seen Ramandree Stevenson play better than this. We've seen all
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: be it not at this level. We've seen Travon Henderson
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: play better than this. We've seen you know, Mike and
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Win who I thought had a rough game in this one,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: We've seen him play better than this. We've seen again
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: at another level. But just looking at the you know,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: the tape and all that, Will Campbell, Jared Wilson, who
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: have had their moments, but be better than this run blocking.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: And I just do think there is some natural internal
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: room for improvement. And I go back just Blaine s.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Blaine did it. He had more mistackles than made tackles
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: for the first two weeks. Something happened. He clicked the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: switch and the coaching staff and with like I don't
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: know who, No, he figured it out right and he's
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: been really good since. And can you get the same
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: kind of bounce back from the run game? Where I
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: just think there's guys right now who have proven they
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: can play better football, and do they get back to
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: their level and if they do that, it's going to
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: open up a lot.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: So we've talked a lot about the running backs last week.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: They only forced two misstackles the entire game. This week. Yeah,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: at the running back position. Now, when you're getting contacted
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: behind or at the line of scrimmage or to break tackles,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: right if.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Able talked about this on Monday, that there's an element
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: of maybe the ball security thing is weighing a little more.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: I think that's certainly weighing with Remandre. I think with
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Travon Henderson, what you're still seeing is just like a
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: lack of pacing or patience on his runs, and he's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: just kind of running full speed into the line of
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: scrimmage and not really letting the blocking develop and missing
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: cutback lanes as a result, Like I think that there's
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: more meat on the bone in some of these runs
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: by the back. Certainly, I thought blocking wise, I look
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: at really two positions on the interior. This was not
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: a great game for Garrett Bradberry. I thought that he
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: struggled with a bigger front for New Orleans, especially in
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: the middle. I saw him after the game. It was cool.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Old friend Godshaw had a nice game. Brian Breeze is
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: a really good player. Bullard really gave them a lot
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: of problems inside. I also did not think this was
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: a particularly good game for Jared Wilson, but that really
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: struggled in this game on Sunday, so Campbell had some
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: misses too. I thought, really the only guy that I
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: felt like was okay in the run game was Morgan Moses.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: I thought the other four guys had all a hand
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: in the run game. Being a struggle. I don't know,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Like to your point, I don't know if there's a
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: fix for it other than just reps and time on
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: task and hoping that some of the defenses maybe adjust
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: and back off the line of scrimmage a little bit
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: now that Drake may has arrived and like just let's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: see where this goes throughout the course of the season.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Now if you want to get a little bit more
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: extreme and start making some personnel changes or tweaks to
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: the personnel. Oh one last thing. Yeah, their lack of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: like a true battering ram full back I think is
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: hurting them as well, especially short yardage. No disrespect whatsoever
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: for Jack Westover, but he's just not He's not devil,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: and he's not Yakub Johnson.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Would be a sneaky trade deadline edition for me.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: They don't They don't have like a true uh brock
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Lampy the shind them up and you know, mu him
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: down fullbacks right like, they don't have one of those
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: guys right now. I think that that's hurting them as well.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: This is not an overly physical group right now up front.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: So I was a little bit nitpicky on Campbell in
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: this game. I think The main reason why is because
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: like he's the one guy that like he's the one
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: road grader right, Like he's the one guy up front
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: that I really feel like eats glass and is tough
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: and his physical and wants to set tone and all
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. It's a rookie, it's a lot
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: task of him early on in his career, but like
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: he kind of needs to bring that element because I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: don't think that the other guys on the line are
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: going to bring that element. Left guard is a position
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering about. Uh, I've been testing you about this
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: off the air. I see Ben Brown sitting there on
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: the bench. I thought Ben Brown blocked with a lot
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: of physicality and effort against Carolina in the game that
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: he started for an injured Jared Wilson. I am not
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: out on Jared Wilson. I think Jared Wilson has a
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: bright future. I just think that bright future is at center,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: and he's just a little small and lacks the play
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: strength at guard, especially against some of these bigger defensive
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: lines to be effective in the run game. It's a
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: little bit twenty twenty one. Ted Carris to me, like
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: Mike on Winne was the better player probably had a
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: higher ceiling, but he was a right guard, not a
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: left guard, and he was young, And like, is there
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: a world where we see Ben Brown at some point
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: at left guard, not to you know, rule out Jared
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Wilson for the rest of his career, Like no one's
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: burying the kid. I just wonder if maybe they would
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: be more physical and a little bit better as a
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: run blocking unit if Ben Brown was in there instead
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: of Jared Wilson.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I also wonder, you know, I didn't think Garrett Bradbury
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: had his best game in this game either. Do you
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: make that switch and you just move Jared Wilson over
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: now mid season switched to center for rookies not going
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: to be easy, hard and so maybe you have to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: do it in stages and maybe it's Ben Brown in
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: and then you start working Jared whatever have you. But
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: you know, I think Ben Brown had a good showing
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: in that last game, so that the coaches have something
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: to go off of. I don't think it's imminent, because
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: I do think they want to develop these young players.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: They look, I did this rant or this thing at
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the year. They have what six seven
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: rookies and starting positions right. They want to develop the kids.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: That's clearly a point of emphasis for them, and there
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: is something to be said for having play through it.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: But I do think if it gets to a point
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: where the run game's non functional, especially once teams start
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: respecting the past more and kind of daring the Patriots
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: to run, you have to talk about making a change.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: But the other element of it is past protection has
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: been so good. Do you want to start poking around
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: and making changes or do you just say, look, we've
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: got Drake May protected, he's slinging it. We can figure
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: out way to compensate for a weak link in the
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: run game.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: So I don't love moving Jared Wilson this year to
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: center because to your point about the pass protection, this
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: battery of Drake May and Garrett Bradberry is working on
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: the whole for the most part. I wouldn't mess with
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Drake May, And to me, changing his center is messing
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: with him, Like, just let him be. The center's working,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: the protection is working. Let's not throw that off. I
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: just if we're talking personnel, and then we'll talk about
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: the running backs here in a second. But if we're
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: talking personnel on the offensive line, Wilson out Brown in
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: is really the only move to me that they can
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: really make, and maybe that would help their run blocking.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: It might make them worse than pass protection slightly, yeah,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: but maybe it would help them in their run game.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think that this is design poorly. I don't
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: think there's tails. I don't think that there's tendencies like
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: they're right now. You know, first down run rate, they're
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: right smack dab in the middle of the pack. There's
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: sixteenth in the league. And first down run rate. They
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: do not run on second and long very often. That's
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: always one of those other tells that's not a very
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: good one. They they've been fine from a play calling perspective.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: The other thing about the run game that frustrated me
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: out of this game, ALPS was the gold go situation. Like, yeah,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: I'm okay, if you're not a dominant run game, like
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: if this isn't you know, Buffalo, Baltimore, Detroit level run game, fine, likes,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: that's fine, but when you get down inside the two
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: yard line, you have to be able to run the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: ball in, like you have to be able to do
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: that first run play. They just run lead again. This
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: is where the full back thing comes into play, like
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: they don't really have a full back that's just going
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: to kind of battering Ram through the line and just
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: clear out of space for the running back. But also
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Jared Wilson and Will Campbell are on a double team
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: at the point of attack, and they don't make they
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: don't get any ground, they don't you displace it all
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: and so it's just stuffed. The next run, they try
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: to run power on the goal line, which is a
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: tough one in my opinion, but they try to run
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: power and Buller just shoots the gap when Jared Wilson
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: polls Will Campbell's supposed to cut him. But it's a
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: tough block, right, He's got to get him down. It's
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: a tough block. He misses the block there. So you
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: just would like to see if they're not going to
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: be good. They're not going to be an explosive game,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: run game. They have to be good. Situation.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: You got to get that yard, yeah, you just you
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: have to get that yard. And to your probably again,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: do you start putting We kind of toyed with this
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: idea back in the spring on the goal and you're
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: not doing this full field like on the goal line
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: you start using like Kyros Tonga as a fullback, just
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: somebody who can move bodies. It's not a bad idea
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: and something like that, you know, I you got to
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: be able to get that one yard.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or you know, maybe you put the eligible tackle
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: in the backfield instead of putting the eligible tackle eligib
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: tackle excuse me, on the line of scrimmage, right, and
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: like you use a bigger body there. The last thing
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: on the run game, of course, I'm sure we're gonna
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: get a lot of trade deadline questions and stuff like
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: that coming up the running back position. You know, I've
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: read off the stats last week. It's all of them
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: kind of stayed the same. You know, they're they're down
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: near the bottom of the league and yards after contact
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: avoided tackle rate. They don't break any tackles. So, just
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: to put it in Layman's terns, they don't break any tackles.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: They don't break any tackles. They don't allow runs to develop,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: they don't set up blocks, they don't cut back. The
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: running backs are a problem. The running backs have not
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: been very good. This really is a tough one too,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: because I don't know if that's going to get organically better.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: The blocking I could see getting better with more reps
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: and more time on task. I think the running backs
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: are kind of in a bad situation right now. Do
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: you make a trade? You know, do do you try
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: to pull off a trade? I'm not necessarily talking about
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: like Derrick Henry or like a you know, a huge
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: splash trade, but do you make a trade to get
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: another veteran running back in here that that could maybe help?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Well, sorry, it's Distracted's Mike alstot highlights on the TV.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Get yeah, can can we get.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Him in here?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: I I don't think if they're not gonna use Carel Jennings,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: they need another guy. I mean, you just need three
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: running backs to get through a season. Yeah, So in
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: that case, yes, you know, further up the depth chart,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: there's people talking about Breece Hall, Like, if it's Breece
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Hall for a third or fourth, I would do that.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: I just don't think the Jets are doing that in
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: the division, even though he's a rental. I wouldn't be
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: opposed to it. I wouldn't be opposed to it, certainly.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: And that's not the one thing I will say. I've
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: seen people throughout trades like, well, if you trade Remandre
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: and a pick. You're not trading Remandre Stevenson one and rimondres.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: There's a ton of credit for this. He's not running
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: the ball well right now. He's doing a lot of
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: other little things very well, and that's why he's staying
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: on the field. He's pass blocking.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: Well.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: You look at some of the blocks setting downfield. Mike
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Rabel's talked about this. Following the ball on the Pop
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Douglas touchdown, he gets down the field right and sets
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: that block yep. And it kind of reminds me of
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas where Pop Douglas was struggling with ball in
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: his hands, ended up in a reduced role, found other
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: ways to contribute, and it comes back around and look,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: he's rewarding. He has a big game. Should have had
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: over one hundred yards in this game if not for
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: the officials. So does you know does that happen with
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Randre Stevenson because he's keeping himself on the field right
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: now by doing all these other little things. One, you
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: just need the depth they need to add a running back.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: They do not need to replace running backs. And two,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: Romondre Stevenson's doing other things. Well, I'm not trading Ramondre
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Stevenson for running back, Like it's you're moving a pick,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: you're getting a back. That's what this is. So but
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I would look at it.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they have to look at it just
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: from a depth standpoint, like if you're not at the
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: offense and you just need a body, I do think
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: they could maybe do a little bit better than just
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: a body. But it just I said this yesterday, like
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: it shocks me, Like Rico Dwell just went off for
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: like two hundred yards in Carolina, Like it's not like
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: you need, you know, prime Derrick Henry to come in
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: here and save you, Like if you just have somebody
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: that is just playing at a decent level at that position,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: you know. I know it's kind of funny for me
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: to come at it and be like they need a
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: running back because I'm usually the anti running back guy,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: but they need a league average running back. Yeah, I
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: think Remandre is probably a lead average running back at
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: all the other things that you brought up right, or maybe.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Above league average those, but he's not running the ball.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you one more thing. And I'm not
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: saying this would be because I've seen people say this
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: as like a permanent thing, and I wouldn't do it
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: as a permanent thing, but I mean they did it
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: earlier this year with Antonio Gibson. Would you use Rmandra
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Stevenson as a fullback?
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I guess you could if you want to.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Go like offset with Travon Henderson, not all the time,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: but putting it in as a wrinkle.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know what that really solves, though,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: I like you maybe have some cool plays off of it.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: As you talked about Jack Westovers, Maybe not that guy.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: I mean he's not going to like lead through the
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: a gap and block the line center.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's pass blocking pretty well right now.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: I know it's different, but maybe a powerful guy.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to doing that, I'm
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: gonna get hurt.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's in any way to contribute to the
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: team kind of thing.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: They could do a little bit more with the scheme druns.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: Like I think that they've kind of put the Drake
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: May design runs away because well, a like their passing
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: game doesn't really need it. But be I also think
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: that you know, he's probably a better scrambler than he
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: is like a natural design runner. I think that's kind
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: of what they've found in that regard. But whether it's motion,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: whether it's jet motion or sweeps, or you know, getting
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: a little bit more production out of the screen game.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: Like the screen game is just an extension of the
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: running game. It's just the passing games version of the
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: running game. Like, so could you get a little bit
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: more out of like your wide receiver screens and things
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: like that. I think that there might be some ways
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: that they could dress up the running game just a
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: little bit better, yea, and not just run it right
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: at people. But at the end of the day, you
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: also have to be able to traditionally run the ball
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: to be a good rush offense. This is something that
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: you know, not to make a buffalo again, but like
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: this is something that Bill's learned Josh Allen, Like, you
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: can't your run game cannot be solely reliant on the quarterback,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: Like you have to be able to line up under
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: center and hand the ball off to James Cook and
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: be a good traditional rush offense. Like you can't just
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: put it all on scrambles and design runs. I don't
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: understand how that is. Is a smirk, Like Josh Allen's
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: still great at it, Like I.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Know, but because no, my issue is not primarily with
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen's with the Bills and them misusing him and
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: people not understanding the context of that.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Should I read this email about Bill's catch twenty two? Yeah, so, Evan,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: is this Bill's catch twenty two? Because I thought I
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: was watching Patriots catch twenty two. The Bills are faltering
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: in struggling, even if their wins they aren't weren't perfect.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Just like how Bart defends his take on Josh Allen
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: bad years, definitely defen defending Josh Allen newgoat take. That's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Kyle from Penbrook. Kyle, I'm just not counting chickens before
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: they hatch. My friend, we're six weeks into the season.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: You want to bury the Bills playing good football right now? Yes?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: Or no?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: No, they're not playing good football right now. I also
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: watched the Patriots play a bad football early on in
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: the season for years and come out the other side
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: and we end.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: Up in.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Day had two. I'm sorry. You can love Josh Allen
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: all you want.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: He's not.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, like let mcderbert, certainly Bill Belichi.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Also, last year the Bills were three and two, so
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: so let just make this point, just everybody calm down.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: I will say I saw somebody make this point that
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: the Bills have lost back to back games in like
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: five or six consecutive seasons or something like that. They
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: keep doing it. But last year, when they were two
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: years ago when they did it, or last year when
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: they did it, I guess I should say. They beat
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins by twenty one, and then they beat the
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Jaguars by thirty seven, and then they lost back to
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: back in Week's four and five to the Ravens in Texas.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: We're both good teams this year. Leading into their back
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: to back losses, they barely beat the Dolphins. They barely
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: beat the Saints. This is not Bill's catchwaying two, and
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: then they lost to the Patriots, who might be a
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: good team in the Falcons who might be a good team,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: but aren't like the Ravens last year.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: So the context is a little different. Okay, just I
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: think you know, I know, Ile Dermott, he was teasing us.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: We have forty minutes left in the show. We're going
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: to do some calls and emails now, I promise. I
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: also want to talk a little bit about this Titans game.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: A little bit of juice with were able going back
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: to Tennessee and.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: The change players in the league is on that.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: So we'll talk a little bit about that. Brent Morquare
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  Speaker 2: have been waiting. Let's get to these calls. Patty is
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: an agu on what's up? Patty?
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 9: What's up?
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: Guys?
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 8: Can you hear me?
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: Okay?
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, all right?
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: So what I really wanted to do was what I loved.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: What I really loved about what what I saw on
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: Sunday wasn't the officiating. But what I really loved what
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: I saw on Sunday was how late in the game,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: it was the possession before their final possession where they
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: closed the game out, when they got into these crazy
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: ass like third and long situations, they weren't running draws
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: like Josh, I think, recognize the situation and recognize that
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: my quarterbacks got a big arm and our guys are
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: getting open against these guys, and they went for it.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: And I mean that's something I don't think that we've seen,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: even like in the Brady era. You know, a lot
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: of times when they can know these third and long situations,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: they would just like run draws or run screens or
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: run just basically play it safe. And I just I
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: love the aggression and I kind of hope that continues.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: And I wanted to see what you guys had to
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: think about that. And I'll take it off there.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: Thanks Patty. Well it helps at the quarterbacks. One of
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: the best laid down quarterbacks in the NFL through six weeks.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: One of the best deep ball thars.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this to me is another if you want
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: to like talk about Feathers and Drake May's cap through
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: the first six weeks of the season. His production in
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: obvious passing situations and his production on late downs is
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: just off the charts good right now. So he is
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: third in the league and EPA on third and fourth
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: down brock Perty, you know, hopefully he'll come back eventually,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: and Daniel Jones is number one. And that statistic, their
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: success rate or drop back success rate on third and
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: fourth down is fifty two point six percent. So the
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: reason why they are opening it up on third and
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: fourth down is because Drake May is letting them, you know,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Drake May is elevating them in those situations. Now, one
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: of the plays on Sunday when they went for it
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: on that fourth down, it is so refreshing to see
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: us Stefan Diggs just win so easily on that route
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: like that is like with the pocket clean pocket Digs
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: wins clickly on the slant like that is literally it
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: might as well have been routes on air, like they
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: were just out there playing pitch and catch like it's
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: the middle of August in training camp. Drake May had
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: nobody around him. Diggs was wide open on the slant
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: got Beatman coverage. So it's a bit, a little bit
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: of everything, of course, but Drake May's efficiency on third
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: and four down is some of the best in the
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: league right now. And his efficiency in obvious passing situations
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: like expected passes situations. He's in number one rated quarterback
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: in the league when they're expected to pass, so that
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: that's a big reason why those things are happening. I mean,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: some of the numbers on Drake May, and you know,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: I could nerd out about all this for the rest
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: of the show. Some of the numbers on Drake May
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: are stupid, like it's insane how well he is playing.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: And I would say, all like the great quarterbacks play
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: great on third down, Like that's really where that's the
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: money down.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: For the reason quarterback.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's right up there with the best in
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: the league. Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 9: Well, Stevenson didn't fumble. Now that's not something we need
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 9: to celebrate. But one thing I noticed is it looked
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 9: like they were like really mauling him and trying to
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 9: force the fumble and he didn't. So I want to
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 9: give him prompts for actually maybe make an adjustment on
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 9: that of the run game not working like, yeah, they're
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 9: they're not doing a good job. But yeah, like you said,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 9: the teams the opponents are are really you know, playing
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 9: the run. There's stuff in the box and they're they're blitzing. Well,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 9: one play that worked early was a play action uh
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 9: to pop. Now maybe they could do more play action
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 9: like have that uh X plays five times for play
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 9: action instead of once and and maybe either you know,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 9: teams will the opponents will will have to pay for
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 9: that or they'll adjust. Now the officiating, I'm wondering that
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 9: one solution on that could be hiring these these refs
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 9: that I'm full time. So they study and they watch tape,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 9: they go to practice, they just get better. And one
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 9: one last question, how do we find out the game
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 9: day captains? Where where can we go on the on
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 9: the web to know who that will be?
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 10: All right, I'll leave it out there.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks Sean. Yeah, we should probably do a better
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: job of keeping track of those. Last week, it was
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: kind Toga he did not go out for the coin toss.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: I Able made a joke about that in postgame, saying
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: that he maybe was a little bit nervous to go
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: out there on the coin toss. But I love Caiusakiris.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: Tonga's a beast. Yeah, guy deserves a ton of credit
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: for what he's done in the run defense. So we
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: can do a better job sean of keeping track of those.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Mark is in Connecticut. What's up? Mark?
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 11: Going on?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Not much?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: How we doing.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 8: Well?
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 11: I think the NFL finally put the officiating on notice.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 11: I saw some things on Facebook and some other webs
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 11: that we're saying that the NFL is definitely gonna do
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 11: an investigation on that officiating group, because I mean, that
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 11: was just probably the worst officiating crew I've ever seen.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 11: And I've been watching football for probably thirty years now,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 11: and I got to say that that's just terrible, the
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 11: terrible product that they're putting on the field. But other
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 11: than that, the other thing is can we get more
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 11: designed type of I just need to get more innovated
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 11: in the run game because we know that they're stacking
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 11: the blox with eight in the block, So if they're
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 11: going to keep doing that, can we get like some
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 11: James White type of screenplays going or something. I Mean,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 11: I'm just thick of every time we're going up the gut,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 11: we're going up the gun, but we're losing yards and
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 11: we're or we're getting nowhere, So can we just try
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 11: and get a little more creative?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 9: Thanks guys, Love you guys.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: Thanks Mark, Thanks for the call. Yeah, I definitely think
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: that calls for more creativity in the run game are
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: fair because they're so bad running the ball, they got
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: to do something different than what they're doing.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. I think that their run game just by design,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: like they're running a lot of duo or gap where
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: they're just kind of getting double teams on the line
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: of scrimmage and trying to push the line of scrimmage.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: And they've had some good reps in duo even in
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: this game early on in the game. But that scheme
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: inherently does lend itself to guys getting up to the
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: second level, like blockers getting up from the first to
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: the second level. So a lot of what you're seeing
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: when you run duo is like three four yards in
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: the cloud of dust because it's just a displacement that
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: they're getting from the double teams. And then there's no
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: like the linebackers are unblocked, so like they're just free
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: to make the play once they can kind of sift
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: through the trash, and that's where like the running backs,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: breaking tackles and things like that come into play. But
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: that's why you're seeing like a lot of like runs
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: up the middle is because they are running up the
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: middle by design. It's a good question. I think there
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: are some schematic things that they could do, certainly like
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: more from the gun, you know, with some of their
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: gun package and their motion packages that they could get
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: more involved in. I don't think that this coaching staff
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: is quite in the AVP school of like we're gonna
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: we're not gonna run drake because we want to keep
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: them healthy. I don't think that they're quite there, but
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: I do think that they're There is a balance there
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: where if you start letting him run around and start
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: unleashing him in that regard, you know, it is a
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: juice worth the squeeze, right, Like is it worth it
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: if he starts to get you know, added up, some
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: body blows and starts to take some hits, Like is
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: that really worth it to be a little bit more
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: productive in the ground. That's that's something that you always have.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: To say, you know, you talked about earlier. There's you know,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: I think everybody's looking for. And I you talked about
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: earlier with the Bills. I've talked about this with Bills
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: for a long time. Like it just felt like whoever
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: the Bills offensive coordinator was was always getting criticized because
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: they were trying to find that that magic equilibrium of
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: how much do you run the quarterback where to benefit
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: but not too much that he gets hurt and now
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: your offense is lacking because the quarterback's playing banged up.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know that that equilibrium honestly exists. Yeah, I
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: don't know that there is a perfect number. I air
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: on the side of don't run him, and that doesn't
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: mean run him zero times. But I'd rather run him
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: not enough than run him too much, because if you're
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: running him not enough, at least he's still healthy. You know,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: I think that goal line situation, for instance, right that
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: the Patriots had. Your run game's not good. You want
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: to mix in maybe like a read option or QB
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: power there obviously the quarterback sneaks right the two point
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: conversion things like that. You know, second in seven in
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: the first quarter, early in a drive, Why do you
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: need your quarterback take a hit?
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Like it I'd rather just figure out how to get
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: the run game going. I'm with you there on you know,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: short yardage, goal line situations though gone out of it.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: You know to like fourth and too late in the game.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: You can you can kill the clock.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Like sure, I want to throw a zone read in
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: there or something.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: High impact situation.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, here's another email, Chirpin at us. Alexis is from Barton,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: Poland have you stopped underrating Drake London in the pre
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: draft process? When TET was getting Drake London comps with
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: high end comps of T Higgins, it was flabbergasted because
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: in no world is Higgins better than London. Also, I
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: wrote in on Catch twenty two saying how DK is
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: overrated in one of the players that I had over
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: him was London Barth and you scoffed at it. But
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think that there are many people that would
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: take DK over London. Drake London has gotten, uh has
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: broken out here. Maybe he didn't break out the wrong word. Uh.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: I have respect now for Drake London. He's a good player.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: He's gotten.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: He's caught my eye, especially watching him in primetime this weekend.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: That guy's a beast. He's a good football player. He's
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: probably like a top ten receiver in the league. Bart,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: you were right, we were wrong. That's big of me.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: I don't normally do that. There you go.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: No, he's been really good and I think you're seeing
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: We talked about this a lot with Tep McMillan, that
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: the league became so speed driven that these guys that
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: are really technically skilled but don't run a four to
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: three maybe get you know, get overlooked. And yeah, obviously,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I think that our comp to from Drake
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: London to Tech McMillan still stands. We were maybe just
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: a little too low on both of them. Yeah, cop
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: works out just not the way we thought it would.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: But I think it's great. I love to see a
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: player that maybe isn't the you know, the most. I
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: don't even want to say he's not athletically gifted because
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: he's you know, he's not changes direction. Well, that's right,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: he's not a track sprinter. That shouldn't be the all
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: there is to playing wide receiver. And it kind of
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: felt like the league was going in that direction. The
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: fast and guys right, and Drake London is showing that
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: there's more than one way to play the position, which
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: is a good thing you want there to be. You know,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: people used to joke you stand Randy Moss next to
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Wes Welker. You know, it's hard to believe those two
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: guys play the same position, but they do. I think
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: that's part of what makes football so great, is the
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: specialization of it. So love seeing guys like that succeed.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: So I will fully admit that my Drake London takes
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: in the past, especially in his draft class or Nikhil
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: Harry PTSD, I just don't big you know, physical jump
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: ball receivers. Now London has turned into a much different
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: kind of player than that. Like London is a good
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: route runner, London gets open Like I'm not trying to
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: put London in that category, but when you're evaluating guys
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: out of the draft and he runs like a you know,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: low four five and he's like, you know, not really
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: known for his separation, Like I always just get a
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: little bit nervous with those types of guys in the
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: Patriots specifically because of their lack of success in that
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: archetype in that position. But Drake London has definitely proved
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: me wrong. I wasn't overly high on him even coming out,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: and he's been much better than I expected. He's a
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: good player. We are getting a bunch of questions Alex
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: about needs and stuff like that. That's how you know
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: that this is a draft show and this is an
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: offseason show. Is that people, despite the fact that the
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: Patriots are four and two and currently leading the AFC East,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: they want us to talk about twenty twenty six in
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: the needs on this football team. So he's asked for
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: the five biggest that's a lot, let's get.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Let's do three on this show, you know, projecting ahead
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit, so I will say this, I am
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: I nuts that I'm kind of taking wide receiver out
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: of the big three knees conversation, No, because if Kaishan
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: Bo's going to play this way, you know, I know
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Diggs is thirty one, but they still look Kyle Williams,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: who they haven't used in I'm not saying it's not
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: a need, but I look at it getting a premier
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: edge rusher and this looks like a really good edge class.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: And not all these guys are going to be there
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: for where the Patriots are picking, but Arvel Reese, ruben
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: Bain Denise Dennis Sutton like they're going to push some
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: other guys down. I think I think you might get
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: a long way to go. You might get like a
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: top ten pick caliber edge rusher in the late teens
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: in this draft, just because I think that position has
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: a chance. We'll see who comes out and all that
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: has a chance to be really loaded. I would say
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: the same for right tackles, this looks like a really
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: good tackle draft. In particularly really good right tackle draft.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Morgan mos has been solid, but we know the deal
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: with his age and all of that, and you know,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: whether it's Maui Goa, I still got to get that
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: name down from Miami. You know, Utah has got a
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: couple of good tackles that both have experience playing both ways. Uh,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: Caleb Lomu, I believe is there they're right tackle this year.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: You know, those are probably the two biggest needs. And
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: then some whether it's a linebacker or a safety. There's
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: multiple ways you could go about this, and it would
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: depend on what they do in for agency and what
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: happens with Kyle Duggar and things like that. But like
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: somebody who can cover tight ends and rush the passer,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: and whether that's Harold Perkins. I know you had your
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: theory that Caleb Downs might fall in the draft all
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: the way he's playing Evan, I just that's it. He's
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: got to be a top five player to be fair.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: My theory was more likely. Let's say the Patriots are
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: picking like eleventh. Yeah right, well here's They're gonna be
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: probably better than picking eleven, So it's probably so all right.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: But I had this thought the other day, and we
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: can bring this back to this year kind of like
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: they they made their run in because one of the
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: questions I get now is how is this different than
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. They had a rookie quarterback, he played well,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: and then what happened that let go of the rope
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: and fell apart? Are wondering, now, Drake May is better
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: than mac jones lot, But you know some of that
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: was you look at their off seasons in twenty twenty
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: two and twenty twenty three. They didn't do much after
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: a big year in twenty one. Now, I don't know
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: that they need to spend the way they spent last year.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: You're not going to do that every year. You're not
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: gonna be the highest spending team every year In a
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: salary cap league, but you do want to stay aggressive
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: and keep keep the pedal of the metal parts of
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: this roster. This is six weeks, since this is all
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: very much subject to change, is it fair to say
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: parts of the roster are further along than we may
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: be expected at the beginning of the year.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, you know, So just on the
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: wide receiver thing real quick. Yeah, like when you have
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: a great quarterback, all of a sudden the receivers look
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: a little bit better. I think that's happening now. Is
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: there still a is there still like a big picture
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: need for like that true deep number one alpha receiver
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: to play alongside Diggs? Like yeah, Like no one is
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: saying that if aj Brown wants to reunite with Mike
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Rabel that we're going to say no thanks. Like no
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: one is saying, but here's what here's my But is
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: it like a thing that you need to throw assets
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: at in the offseason and it's like all the like
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: like it has been the.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: Specifically first round pick right right, so it's more much so.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: But let's even if they want to receive it, right So,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: cause i I'm like, where does your where would you
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: put your Entyson in this offense? Where'd you put Carnell
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Tait in this offense?
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: Or you want to talk about it at the edge,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: maybe they get aggressive, Maybe they really like dds, you know,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: maybe they really like Ruben Band's gonna be top five picks,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: so he probably doesn't apply to this. But should we like,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: how much are we going to talk about trading up
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: this offseason? Yeah, it's positing up to the draft like
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: that would kind of be striking while the iron's hot
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: is okay, maybe you don't like going into the year.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: That's what Houston did.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: You looked at it and it was like, Okay, they're
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: probably gonna need another year where they hit on five
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: or six draft picks. Now, maybe not, and that doesn't
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: mean that they needed They can hit on zero like
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: they have to hit on some. But do you need
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: to be finding those value guys later on or in
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: two years? Right if you involve future picks, or do
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: we start talking about them moving up from you know,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: wherever they end up sixteen seventeen, eighteen nineteen two, train
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: up to the fringe top ten and get one of
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: these edge rushers that falls like if the season ended today,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: we'd be wondering why the season ended on October fifteenth,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: But if the season ended today, that would I'd kind
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: of be making that argument that like, let's see where
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: the board falls after the combine. But if this edge
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: rusher class, if the meat of this class is going
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: to be like eight to twelve thirteen, and the Patriots
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: are sitting there at seventeen, go up and get your guy,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: you can maybe blow some assets on that.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: So quickly to answer the question more directly, if it's me,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: I'm focusing on the spine of the team still, so
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the field. I do understand again,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: like if aj Brown wants out of Philadelphia and he
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: wants to come here to reunite with Mike Rabel and
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: play with Drake May, I am, I will drive. I
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: will pick him up at the airport.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: And I said take a first round pick.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe, but I'm just saying like, I'll pick me up
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: at the airport myself. But with that being said, this
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: team right now, I look at it defensively, edge rusher, linebacker, safety,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: I still think are really positions that they need to
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: hit on. Like if you really wanted to say, like,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: what is the weakest positions of the team running back, linebacker, safety,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: and I don't think it's particularly close now, edge rusher.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: They have the depth, but they don't have that top guy. Yeah,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: they don't have a top do I don't. Jason and
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: Land are nice players, they're just not It's not Miles Garrett.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: I'm with Ed rusherm kind of where I've been with
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: receiver the last few years, which is either take a
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: guy at the top or like don't or take a
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: real project late Like I don't need them using a
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: they don't need to try to find josh Uche. Yeah,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: no offense to josh U Chip like that. Like fiftieth
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: fh overall pick, that's gonna come in and be a
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: complimentary guy. Take that top by the way real quick,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: because you said it. We are probably going to be
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: talking running back in the draft. It's probably going to
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: be a power back. There are some the crackhead running back.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: There are some running backs that crack heads in this
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: they're gonna eclipped.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Uh, some guys that crackhead. Who's the Notre Dame kid
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love, Yeah, Nick Singleton, Jonah Coleman from Washington is awesome.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: If you've seen him.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's where I would focus. I think they
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: are good enough at receiver right now. Again, like everybody
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: could use the number one guy, but I think they're
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: good enough with the way Drake may is playing that
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: that that's not like we need to throw assets.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: No, you're not gonna draft so Jeremiah Love might be
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: first round pick, You're not gonna They're not there yet.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: Especially after taking Henderson at the top of the second.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: Do they do another top one hundred back and maybe
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: in the second or third, Like.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: I wonder if and not to like drive them to
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: the airport, but like I wonder if it's a veteran
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: back in for Andre.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: Well, well, then you get into the whole philosophy of
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: like do you pay running backs or do you draft them?
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: It hasn't been totally paying running backs and.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Free comes back around the other way. It's coming back
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit because it's funny you look at it,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: and there was that I think it was two.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Years ago where a bunch of running backs changed teams
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: and they kind of did like a musical chairs at
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: running back. I think that was the twenty four off season,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: not this last one, but the two off seasons ago
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: and like all of them hit and their new teams,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: like Derrick Henry going from Tennessee to Baltimore. Tony Pollard's
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: been decent for the Titans. And to make it a
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: little bit Titans, you know, Aaron Jones going to Minnesota,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs going to Green Bay. Like it kind of worked,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: so I DeAndre Swift is Chicago.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: The thing about it to me, like that Saquon Barkley contractor,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: was like, you're gonna pay a running back that much?
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: And like he's the Then I left out, of course,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: because I think he was the year after that, right,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: think it might have been in the same year. Yi,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: that's a bad miss then, But did like he's getting
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: If you actually look at what Saquon Barkley's contract is,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: it's like wide receiver three money I think he got
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: with Steve Slayton got from the Giants, right, So, oh
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: my god, he's a top five paid running back. It's
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: like remember when people freaked out that the Patriots made
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Joe Cardona the he's paid long separate NFL. It's like
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: it's half a percent of the gap. Yeah, like at
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: a certain point with some positions. Yeah, he's getting paid
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: a lot relative for his position. But if he's good,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: it's not. Is Saquon Barkley's contract a backbreaking contract? No, right,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: it's so.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit in vogue right now. It's it's
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: coming back slightly, just because I don't I don't hate
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: that the market correction has led to it being almost
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: like a devalued position because of the contract. To your
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: point about Saquon, like, it's not like these running backs
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: are making twenty five million dollars a year, so now
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: there's almost like value in it, right, it's kind of
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: a zig zag thing. All right, let's get to these calls.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: Let's go rapid fire through these calls, and maybe we
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: can talk thirty seconds about the Titans, which, frankly is you.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Want me to give my tit take real quick before
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: we do the falls.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: It's over, good idea.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons rules. Yeah, great player. I saw you know,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: somebody get out of there given a chance to win.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Underrated player, tremendous player, game change around, all three downs.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: Love watching him, looking forward to watching him this week
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: after him, some young guys. I don't hate cam Ward,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: but like not a ton of talent.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so my biggest things about this game, like trying
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: to find ways where this is a upset for the Titans.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: The interim coach bump like does kind of exist. I
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: did some digging on this yesterday. It's not as it
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: hasn't happened as recently, you know, as much recently. They're
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: three and six and since twenty twenty two. But Jeff
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Saturday in Indy, Darren Rizzy in New Orleans, Antonio Pears
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: in Vegas. All three of those guys recently won their
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: first games as interim head coaches. Mike McCoy has coaching experience.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: He was four years with the Chargers in the middle
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: of the twenty tens, So like, it's not like somebody
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: that's getting the job for the very first time and
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: doesn't know what he's doing. That whole thing kind of
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: exists now to me, that gets washed out by Rabel
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: coming back to Tennessee because I think the Patriots players
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: are gonna want to win this game for Rabel. So
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: like as much as the interim coach bump helped the
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Titans and kind of light a fire under the Titans,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: I think this game has a lot of juice internally.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: Rable Stretch Harold Landry, Jack Gibbons, Robert splain, even to
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: an extent, like a lot of guys going back to
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: a place that kind of fired them from their jobs.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Do you think there's a little more it's a you
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: could look at it either way. I guess I don't
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: know I ver abel well enough on a personal level
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: to say this, is it a little more of a
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: twisting the knife that the guy they replaced you with
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: didn't even make it to your return on him. I'm
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: like that might be the other way. That might be
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: some of it might be like ha ha, like I'm
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: not even facing my replacement, like it's not. But part
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: of it, I don't know, if you're that level of
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: a competitor, would there be an element of you're not
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: even gonna let me beat the guy that you replaced
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: me with. Now I gotta beat this next guy twice?
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: Is bad kind of thing.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: So I think that the interim head coach bump is
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: one thing. The other thing is three straight row games.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: It's really hard to win on the road in the
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: same never done Patriot's never done it.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: It's really hard to win three in a row in
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: this league on the road. That is that is something
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: that is a little bit tricky. But we're taught when
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: we talk about the interim coach bump in the road thing,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: like we're not talking about tangible things that have anything
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: to do with this game. We're talking about like historical anomalies.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Well, football, it's a game played by humans and there's
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: a human element to it.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: Can't totally sund like it's not about what's like actually
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: on paper.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: You know the meme online about like the power friendship
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: thing with teams with the power friend it's the Titans
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: got to get up for it, basically, is your point exactly.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: I think this game is going to go one of
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: two ways. They're going to be an extremely excruciating competitive
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: game where the Titans are going to get up for
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: the game and they're going to really go toe to
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: toe with the Patriots on Sunday, or the Patriots are
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: going to blow doors. And I don't think there's much
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: in between.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: All right, let's do these calls. All right, four minutes,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: you gotta go, all right, you gotta go.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: Brandon is in New Jersey's Brendan.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 10: Hey, you got me, Yes, So I have a question
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 10: about what you guys think about how McDaniels has been
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 10: using the running backs in the passing game. I mean
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 10: what it kind of has been is may using the
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 10: running back as a last resort. I'd kind of like
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  Speaker 10: to see like the old McDaniel style, like quick hitters
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  Speaker 10: like they use James White, you know, like one one
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  Speaker 10: step drop to the you know, to the flat or
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  Speaker 10: even the check release. I mean the caveat is that
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  Speaker 10: maybe they don't do this because they don't have the
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  Speaker 10: luxury to do it, because the running back has to
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  Speaker 10: help out to chip or just stay in to block.
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  Speaker 10: Just one of your guys thoughts here, I'll take it off.
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  Speaker 2: Air, thanks Brendan. So you know the James White option
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  Speaker 2: routes and things like that. You know that that takes
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  Speaker 2: some advanced nuance to understand leverage and read it out.
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  Speaker 2: And I think Remandre can do those types of things,
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  Speaker 2: but he is not. Isn't the more dynamic mover out
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  Speaker 2: of the two backs, the rookie Henderson. My guess is
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  Speaker 2: that there's some mental things going on there about doing
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  Speaker 2: those different things. The one thing I would say with
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  Speaker 2: the running backs in the passing game, and they hit
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  Speaker 2: the wheel to Remondre in Week two in Miami. I
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  Speaker 2: would like to see them get vertical a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more with the running backs, like especially Henderson, Like can
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  Speaker 2: we just see Henderson trying to run a wheel route
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  Speaker 2: down the sideline and maybe he gets matched up on
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  Speaker 2: a linebacker that's out leverage and actually just wins the
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  Speaker 2: foot race, And that might be a way to get
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  Speaker 2: him loose and get him the football, is just to
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  Speaker 2: get him vertical out of the backfield and just let
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  Speaker 2: him run a straight line, Like see if he can
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  Speaker 2: outrun a guy, like he's probably gonna be pretty good
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  Speaker 2: at that. So that would be my nitpick of the
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  Speaker 2: James White like Tom Brady dump offs and things like that,
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  Speaker 2: Like those two guys are just really special at that.
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  Speaker 2: Like I don't know if that's necessarily something everybody can replicate. Eldredd, Eldred, what's.
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  Speaker 8: Up a they outed email? I don't care. I'm taking
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  Speaker 8: DK over everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
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  Speaker 8: But I still say it's the line to back both
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 8: games out, especially the last game. And like I said before,
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  Speaker 8: but when you got his butt feat full way to one.
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  Speaker 10: But other than that, that's it.
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  Speaker 8: But AJ Brown would be a Patriot. He's not this year,
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  Speaker 8: next year, guarantee, Thank you. I have a good one.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Eldred. Is there what is the over under on
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: either AJ Brown or Derrick Henry eventually being a Patriot,
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  Speaker 2: because I think the percentage is probably pretty hard.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's higher for Henry than Brown.
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  Speaker 2: I think one of those guys is gonna say, you
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  Speaker 2: know what Vrabel's doing exactly what he did in Tennessee.
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  Speaker 2: They're building a program in New England. I'm going back
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  Speaker 2: with you.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll say, I think like there's a good maybe
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  Speaker 1: not this year, and maybe it's at the end when
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  Speaker 1: he's like kind of done. But like I think a
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  Speaker 1: j I think Derk Henry's gonna end up here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just have a gut feeling at some point, not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily this year, at some point I think he ends
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  Speaker 1: up here. AJ Brown and we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Francisco is in North Carolina. What's up Francisco? Francisco going once?
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  Speaker 3: Go on?
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  Speaker 1: Wait, guys, Hello, thank you, Yeah, we got you.
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  Speaker 2: What's up? Go ahead, you're on the air. All right,
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  Speaker 2: I'm dropping. All right, So that's gonna do it for
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: the show today. That was a quick trigger. I'm sorry,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: but I had to. We have Patriots Unfiltered coming up here.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: In about ten minutes, so plenty more Titans breakdown talk.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure Alex will do the same thing on his
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: station at some point this week.
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  Speaker 1: So this morning and check it out on sportsw YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 2: There you go. So if you really are dying to
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: hear a preview of Patriots Titans that was more than
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: five minutes, we will certainly have you guys covered. We'll
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  Speaker 2: be back next week. Finally, thank you to the Lord
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: that we are finally going to have a home game
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: and I don't have to travel next week. So next
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  Speaker 2: week we'll break down the Cleveland Browns coming to town
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  Speaker 2: against the Patriots. Will recap this game on Sunday down
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: in Tennessee against the Titans. We'll see you guys then, Hey,
• 1:50:01
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