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From Survival to Abundance: The Courage to Want More with Lindsey Morris · Echoes & Edges

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  Speaker 1: into your world.
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  Speaker 2: Today.
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  Speaker 1: We're exploring a theme that feels both deeply personal and
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  Speaker 1: profoundly healing. What happens when our inner world begins to
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  Speaker 1: take shape in the outer world. For many of us,
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  Speaker 1: healing starts with insight. We learn new language, understand our stories,
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  Speaker 1: and begin to make sense of what we live through.
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  Speaker 1: But at some point, healing asks for something more. It
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  Speaker 1: asks us to embody it, to create, to plant something,
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  Speaker 1: to cook something, or to make something beautiful, to participate
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  Speaker 1: with God with our own lives rather than merely understand them.
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  Speaker 1: My guest today has been reflecting deeply on what it
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  Speaker 1: means to live from abundance rather than scarcity, and how
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  Speaker 1: creativity can become a doorway into healing, connection and presence.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad she's here, So welcome, Lindsay.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, so happy to be here with you.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, good talk with Patria. Yes, and we have to
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  Speaker 1: mention that we're twining today and we didn't even mean to.
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  Speaker 1: This is because we are kindred spirits. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: what I think.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'll take it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, Lindsay, You've recently really been exploring a
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  Speaker 1: lot about abundance and scarcity and this idea of living
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  Speaker 1: that out. What does creativity and abundance mean to you?
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  Speaker 1: What does it mean to you in the season of
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  Speaker 1: your life?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think previously this season of my life, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't realize that those words are so full of life itself.
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  Speaker 2: You can't really have creativity creating new things without life.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, abundance is just life to the fullest.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean I probably knew that about the words,
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  Speaker 2: but they feel so different to me now, like kind
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  Speaker 2: of seeing their actual tentacles, like in my healing, in
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  Speaker 2: my day, how much I actually need abundance and creativity.
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  Speaker 2: Those felt like frivolous things probably in life path.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and now they scarcity and kind of go together. Yeah. Probably.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean when you say full of life?
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think we could go in a circle with
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  Speaker 2: abundance and full of life. Right, it feels It's how
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  Speaker 2: I was describing abundance. But I also what comes to
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  Speaker 2: mind is arousal, like everything awake, you know, fullness like
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm all here, I don't I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: might happen, Like there's hope and opportunity. Those things feel
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  Speaker 2: like full of life.
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  Speaker 1: So what has it been like for you to go
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  Speaker 1: in this direction, to move in this direction, or to
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  Speaker 1: transform maybe in this direction, from that scarcity survival mindset
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  Speaker 1: into this abundant, creative life living mindset. What does that
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  Speaker 1: been like for you?
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  Speaker 2: Terrifying is the word that's coming to mind, especially the
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  Speaker 2: early movements, because survival has such like a lockdown, rigid,
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  Speaker 2: black and white you know, care quality to it. That
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  Speaker 2: creativity and freedom and process, you know, opportunity. Those did
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  Speaker 2: not feel good at the beginning because survival strategies are
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  Speaker 2: what felt safe. You know, there wasn't wiggle room in that.
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  Speaker 2: So I would say, yeah, six years ago, me was
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  Speaker 2: not thinking that these words felt helpful and you know,
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  Speaker 2: graceful or even possible. So but as I made it
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  Speaker 2: through those early movements that were terrifying, Oh what has
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  Speaker 2: it felt like? Freedom breathing? You know? I remember something
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  Speaker 2: you would have told me many times, and maybe for
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  Speaker 2: years I didn't get it, but like you could change
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  Speaker 2: your mind and.
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  Speaker 1: The right to edit.
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  Speaker 2: It's like possibility, don't We don't know what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have to know. You know, the freedom in
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  Speaker 2: that has has felt really beautiful to to learn to
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  Speaker 2: live in. But it's not something that came easy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you're describing, you're describing necessity, right, I mean
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  Speaker 1: that's what I'm hearing, and so you can. I hate
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  Speaker 1: it when people say right, because it assumes an agreement.
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  Speaker 1: But so so you know, I don't want you to
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  Speaker 1: disagree for agreement's sake, for sure, I think you know
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  Speaker 1: that about me. But it's like that that rigidity, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the rules based behavior that you're talking about, the structure
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  Speaker 1: where there wasn't possibility, but there was what predictability, predict stability,
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  Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, And that predictability, that certainty, that sense
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  Speaker 1: of I know it's coming next, felt safer. Yes, yeah, yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: anything else you want to say about that move or
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  Speaker 1: what's coming to your mind before we move on to
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  Speaker 1: another question.
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  Speaker 2: Just thinking about the madness of mindfulness being in the
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  Speaker 2: moment embodiment. The tiny, tiny moments of that were like
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  Speaker 2: the conduit, and it drove me crazy. I mean I
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  Speaker 2: did not get it, but those it felt so unsafe
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  Speaker 2: to be still and quiet, you know, when I could
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  Speaker 2: be moving and doing something predictable. So I'm just my
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  Speaker 2: heart feels really caught in that early place of how
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  Speaker 2: uncomfortable that stillness was, but that was the pathway to
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  Speaker 2: the freedom, you know, the creativity, the space.
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  Speaker 1: What would you say to someone who is living in
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  Speaker 1: the scarcity out of need for survival predictability, to keep
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  Speaker 1: control of their life because anything outside of that feels
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  Speaker 1: too much, you know, too overwhelming. It takes their arousal
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  Speaker 1: out of a window of tolerance and they become dysregulated,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so control is very tight. What would you
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  Speaker 1: say to that person is just considering or contemplating this
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  Speaker 1: idea of maybe there's more for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think if they're even thinking about it,
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  Speaker 2: they probably really hunger for it, which is maddening because
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  Speaker 2: you don't know how to get it, at least if
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  Speaker 2: you're anything like me, and so acknowledgement of the need
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  Speaker 2: for the structure and the need for the predictability, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that was the first place to bring kindness like this
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  Speaker 2: is happening for a reason, It worked for a reason,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And then so I would say, as hard
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  Speaker 2: as it is, that the first place is just to
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  Speaker 2: where you're at, bring kindness to why you have to
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  Speaker 2: be there, and then have someone in your life maybe
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  Speaker 2: who has journeyed a bit farther and could just be
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  Speaker 2: with you. I think that feels really important.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so wise. I mean, it really is. It
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  Speaker 1: is the support in bearing the intolerable, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: for you you mentioned stillness, for me very much, stopping
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  Speaker 1: it has it initially felt like I would say, it
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  Speaker 1: feels like dying. You know, there's a there's a feeling
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  Speaker 1: of this is not well. And so to have supports
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  Speaker 1: in that, whether that's a good friend or a coach
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  Speaker 1: or a counselor or a pastor or you know, wherever
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  Speaker 1: that support can come, and that can even change over
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  Speaker 1: seasons too. But we're not meant for crumbs. That's one
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  Speaker 1: that I don't know why that phrase keeps popping up
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  Speaker 1: in my mind, is that I just want to add
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  Speaker 1: that that your business, your coaching business, is called how
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  Speaker 1: much more right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's something about that, that imagery of of
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  Speaker 1: how you know, we're we're made for a feast. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I keep thinking is we're we're made for that.
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  Speaker 1: We're living on this and there's a big gap between
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  Speaker 1: this and that, and we need to help. We need support,
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  Speaker 1: We need somebody that's with us and for us in
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  Speaker 1: that movement. As we close today's conversation, I keep returning
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  Speaker 1: to something Lindsay said. She described moving from survival into
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  Speaker 1: abundance as terrifying. I think that's such an important word
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  Speaker 1: because so often we imagine healing should feel peaceful from
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  Speaker 1: the very beginning. But to be honest, nervous systems that
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  Speaker 1: learn safety through predictability, control and overfunctioning freedom can actually
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  Speaker 1: feel frightening before it feels beautiful. The invitation isn't to
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  Speaker 1: force ourselves into abundance. It's simply to become curious about
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  Speaker 1: the possibility that there may be more life available than
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  Speaker 1: survival alone. In our next conversation, Lindsey shares how that
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  Speaker 1: possibility began taking physical shape in her own life through
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  Speaker 1: sour dough, bread, tending plants, through dirt, beauty, and creation itself.
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  Speaker 1: She began discovering that sometimes our hands understand healing long
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  Speaker 1: before our minds do. I can't wait to share that
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