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Ohio Technocratic Takeover Blueprint EXPOSED · The Aaron Day Show

• Welcome to season two, or excuse me, season three, episode twelve. Wow, it's a good day so far. Today we're talking about Ohio Captured and... The topic is really about, we talk about technocracy as being a global movement and we talk a lot about, we've talked about the Board of Peace or the UN or the WEF or how technocrats are infiltrating the US government, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, so on and so forth. But tonight we're going to talk about what I think is perhaps one of the most important topics with technocracy, which is how technocracy is infiltrating at the local and state level. And in particular, we're going to talk about Ohio, which is probably the worst of all of the states in terms of the acceleration of technocracy. Whitney Webb recently wrote an article about this, which is a great article. And I recommend that you read it. But Craig Wenkelwitz, who will be joining me tonight, actually lives in Ohio and has been living this and researching this for a long time and actually has a whole new layer kind of above and beyond what Whitney discussed. So we'll discuss some of Whitney's information, which is great information. But man, Craig has really drilled down in this. And in fact, he's been talking to me about this for months and months. And he has put together a lot of the pieces. And we've talked about, well, when is the right time to bring this up? And I think now the timing is good because Whitney brought this up. And so it's now starting to get out there. But it's also completely relevant given... where ohio sits in relation to everything that's going on with ai and everything that's going on actually with national defense and a whole variety of topics also tying into epstein so this is going to be really important and i would really appreciate it if you guys would like and share this i i am shadow banned i have had a good run for a couple of weeks but i could tell when we launched this thing that and I've been looking at my traffic over the last few days and it's dropped off. So it is something algorithmic. I mean, I've been getting anywhere from two to four million impressions a week on X. And so all of a sudden it's dropped off. So I don't know what The cause of it is, but I could certainly use your help getting this out there. And again, this is one of these episodes where you see a title, Ohio Captured or whatever, you might think, well, I'm not in Ohio. This is relevant to everyone because I believe what we're discussing tonight is a pattern that is likely going on in all of our states and people should really start waking up to it. um as usual i'm going to you know highlight the last couple of episodes and encourage you to take a look because we've really been building a theme last week's theme was operation warp speed and i walked through some of the legislation and executive orders and acts and policies from the administration that are going on while we're distracted by war and four dollar gas and so on and so forth including a really egregious AI policy, cyber policy, and even the SAVE Act, even the voting thing, which is whether I'm not against voter ID, but centralizing it and giving that power to the DHS is a really bad idea. in especially in conjunction with all of the other grabs that are going on for data and centralization and then the week before that i think is actually a must watch i think this is the most important topic and actually craig joined me for that patrick wood also joined on that episode and this was a discussion of the board of peace i think if you understand the board of peace you will understand why we are uh fighting in iran why we launched an attack against iran and when as a kind of a side project of the board of peace when you see what's going on in gaza The entire country of Gaza has been leveled. At least seventy thousand people have been killed. Some people I put out a music video on that. It was actually the first one that I played tonight. And some people are suggesting that they're mad at me because they're saying it's actually six hundred thousand or seven hundred thousand. And that's horrific. That may be true. Seventy thousand is horrific. I mean, in any event, it is a. It's a genocide and they destroyed ninety percent of all the buildings. Well, the Board of Peace, three members of the Board of Peace are involved with a multi tens of billions of dollar reconstruction projects, which is going to turn Gaza into Egypt. a digital prison. It is a technocratic plan, even in their own words. Six AI-powered digital cities, Oracle, Palantir, the Trump family stablecoin, USD-One, is being proposed as the currency for the technocratic rebuild of Gaza. In other words, we are using taxpayer money and American lives to kill innocent people, destroy buildings, and then specific people who are politically connected and who are currently in office are the ones making money off of the technocratic reconstruction. This takes everything that we've been talking about, which may seem theoretical about technocracy, ideas about fifteen minute cities and everything else, sketch drawings, and turns it into something concrete where you can see this is exactly how they're doing it, this is how they're structuring it, here's how the tech will work, how the surveillance will work, and here's who will make money. It is the blueprint. And tonight we're going to tie things that are going on at your state and local level, starting with Ohio, all the way to the Board of Peace to show how all of these pieces work. fit together. I will remind you that I'm still exploring a race, and I won't rehash all of that. There will certainly be more as we advance through this, but I'm calling on Trump to take the draft off the table, end the war on crypto, free the crypto prisoners of war, fire Howard Lutnick and stop the Clarity Act, things that frankly are in line with what he said when he ran for president. I think he's gone so far off the script and so far off of what he said he was going to do that, obviously, he's losing a lot of support. And this situation in Iran is looking ugly. But, you know, if he doesn't make some big movement on some of those pieces, then I may very well go full in on this race. And as it stands, according to the prediction markets, it's a fifty fifty toss up. as to which party controls the senate in new hampshire it is a one-point race the democrat is one point ahead in the polls without me being included in the polls and historically i've gotten between two and three percent actually the last time i ran for sheriff one time i got over four percent of the vote and that was without campaigning so if i enter the race if my name is on the ballot The Republican John Issununu loses and the Republicans may lose control. The implications are huge for Trump because it could mean that he gets impeached and possibly convicted. So more news on that as it emerges. Again, I talked last week about Democrats. A lot of the great podcasts that I've been on, there's more momentum there. I can't go into all the details, but let's just say over the next six months, what we have been talking about here in terms of, you know, technocracy, the acceleration of technocracy, the creature from Epstein's Island, all of that will reach millions of people. And I've got some things going on that I'm extremely excited about and I will share with you as soon as I possibly can. And a lot of things are kind of resolving around and a lot of activities that I'm working on are building to this Libertarian National Convention. And if I'm running for office, I'm running as an independent. It's not about the Libertarian Party per se, but this is going to be a collection of a thousand libertarians from all over the world. But more importantly, we're doing a couple of events within the convention. that I'm really excited about. There's an entire crypto corner that we have, a whole section right outside of the main convention area where we're going to be talking about a lot of projects. I'm going to be talking about, you know, the six different websites that we have and Technocracy Atlas and OSARA and, you know, the... The privacy phone, which we have, I think, around sometime the week of April the twentieth, we're going to officially launch this. The de-Googled phone with all the apps. Zeno is going to be there and they're going to be presenting and doing a workshop. I'm going to be doing a keynote speech. um at the actual convention itself in front of all one thousand people uh but then we have the enemies of the state party which i'm uh very excited about i had dan o'neill on a couple of episodes ago and uh he's putting that together again that's his uh his brainchild and well i'll tell you we've got some exciting things planned unfortunately there are more um enemies that we're going to be advocating for this time than there were last time uh but uh last time was successful i mean you know we had the party the night before president trump announced he was going to commute trump's sentence uh roger vere uh is at least not in prison i i still think he should be pardoned and the gag order isn't great but at least he's not in prison. And so there's progress even from that. And so the event itself is going to have Ammon Bundy, Afro Man, and then a variety of people advocating for the other enemies. And we're going to be live streaming this through multiple channels. So my goal is to get hundreds of thousands of of viewers through the live stream so by partnering with some people that have some large have large channels and large distribution we really want to get this out out there we want to make this uh an event the whole point of it is to raise awareness about each of these cases and to get that word out obviously you've got a concentration of libertarians there's going to be press there that's that's great that's kind of your hardcore base but then we want to take the event itself and reach hundreds of thousands of people if not more because these stories as we've been discussing them on the show as i've been interviewing either the enemies themselves or their lawyers or their loved ones um it's tragic what's going on it's tragic that it's accelerating and it can be stopped it can be stopped very quickly just through either pardons or stopping the legal actions that are going on. For instance, the most recent is against Ray Youssef, kind of out of the blue, as he was deported from Mexico and picked up for stuff from a long time ago that's of the same caliber of ridiculous charge that Ian Freeman is facing. And so... I'm working towards that event and towards making that a big event. I will also be speaking at the Rage Against the War Machine event, which is another separate event. within the Libertarian Convention. And I spoke at the Rage Against the War Machine event in twenty twenty four in Washington, D.C. That was the night or the day before the Rescue the Republic event. And in this event, Scott Horton is going to be speaking. It's not a large a large thing or only four or five of us speaking so far, but I believe Daniel McAdams with the Ron Paul Institute, the guy that was putting together the Defend the Guard project. So, you know, this is really important as well. In fact, I'm going to reach out to them and talk to them about live streaming that event because, you know, where are our anti-war people? We certainly need them now and we certainly need to get that done. That message out. So that's what's going on. I will say, you know, I encourage you to, you know, check out free and now.org. And certainly there are other prisoners. You can find those at day twenty twenty six dot com. But I want to highlight today, Ian Freeman and, you know, hope hoping that, you know, maybe there's some good news in his future. He's been in prison since twenty twenty three. Eight year sentence again for. for nothing. Essentially, they threw out the money laundering charge. His biggest charge is conspiracy to commit money laundering. They threw out money laundering, but kept the conspiracy. It's absolutely absurd on its face. Now, I'm actually working on something in the background. I wanted to have it uh done for the beginning of this show um i'm doing a new music video dedicated music video just about ian uh but it's still still rendering so depending upon how long we go i we've got a lot of content tonight so i'm hopeful that uh you know by the time this is uh done that uh at the end of the show i'll be able to to show that again it'll be rough because i will not even have been able to edit it but um uh you get to hear the song and then probably see some choppy choppy video but then you know tonight tomorrow i'll work on on enhancing that so with that said I'm going to bring up Craig Winkelwitz, and we're going to talk tonight about the TechNate that's going on in Ohio, the Blueprint, and again, all the pieces going on there, which I think Craig knows more about this than anyone I know, hands down, in terms of the depth of where this goes. And I've been kind of blown away by some of the connections that he made. And he made these connections and was talking to me about this stuff before the Epstein files came out. And so, you know, even with the Epstein files, the Epstein files are great in and of themselves because they show what Epstein is doing. But where did Epstein come from? What's the history behind that? Who's behind Epstein? And Craig has a lot of great information about that. So, hey, Craig, how are you? Good, Aaron. How are you doing tonight? How's it sound? Sounds good. Good, good. We had a storm a couple of weeks ago and my one computer got torched. And so I'm running off an iPad tonight. So hopefully this sounds good. Oh, wow. Sorry to hear that. Is it a real storm or a manufacturing storm? Which company made the storm? Yeah, that's right. American Electric Power. Yeah. Yeah. So you guys know Craig. Craig's been on here for several times. Wall Street Veteran has his podcast. In fact, I was on his podcast on Rumble. That's how we met. He's been in Ohio for years. And so, you know, tonight we're going to talk about how the county, state, local is all captured. And man... It is amazing how bad things are in Ohio. And I think this might change a lot of your perspectives on this. But more importantly, what I think, what I hope comes out of this is that people start to question what's going on in their states. I think we need to be crowdsourcing research about what's going on with technocracy. Because once you see... how this is kind of shadowy stuff that goes on behind the scenes. And once you notice what the pattern is, then you can start to look for it in other places. And I think that we need to do that because in essence, at least my thesis is that these technocrats, they just hijack government and use force and use other taxpayer money to push their agendas at all levels. And so essentially we are paying for their technocratic agenda. This is not, and this has to be separated a lot, particularly for libertarians and people that are, you know, ANCAP and people, you know, I'm a limited, is limited government or no government is possible. And there's a lot of confusion about the idea that, oh, hey, this is tech and these are successful entrepreneurs and this is being muddled in with free markets and capitalism. This has nothing to do with capitalism. This is all about using the state, using laws, and implementing programs to the benefit of specific players with an end goal being to basically strip us of our free will. So this is not about free market capitalism. So I'm not attacking free market capitalism. I'm suggesting that if we wanted to reclaim free market capitalism, we would have to actually explain and show that what's going on here is not that. Well, if we do our job tonight, I think people will see that connection and how bad it really is. I mean, how deep it's getting and how quickly we're losing freedoms very quickly. Yeah, me too. I hope people stick around for this. Again, I hope you like and share this. Again, a lot of times people, this might not seem to be the sexiest of topics, but actually this is right over the target, and related i mean ohio is a swing state ohio usually determines the outcome of these national elections and it swings back and forth it's a bellwether state but man it is just critical here uh in terms of what's going on and you know in the past in the eighties or whatever is a big manufacturing state so on and so forth but now it's like the cutting edge of technocracy you've got robotics you've got defense contractors data centers it's just mind-boggling what's going going on there and so I mean before we get into just as if you're new I'll give my quick explanation here of what do I share Aaron's website to get his podcast listening from Houston Uh, you can share, you can share the website. It's also on YouTube. It's on rumble. Uh, it's on, well, it'll be on Spotify and iTunes, but not until tonight or tomorrow. Uh, but yeah, you can also share the website. The website right now just embeds YouTube. Uh, but you can do the Aaron day show.com, uh, as well. But just for a quick background, if you're new to the show, uh, There's a lot of confusion. A lot of times when I talk about technocracy, people don't like the word technocracy. It's either boring or it's misunderstood. It's confused as being technology, which it is not. Technocracy is a political ideology. This was a movement started in the nineteen thirties at Columbia University in the basement of Columbia University. It was this whole like cult thing where everybody would wear these gray suits. And and the whole thesis behind this is that we are too stupid as individuals to make decisions for ourselves and that the only way forward, the only way humanity will survive is if scientists and engineers make decisions for people. And the economy, the critical aspect of this is that you replace the economy with an energy credit system. So you no longer have a price based system based on supply and demand. You have a contained energy credit system. Now, this is miraculous that they came up with this in the nineteen thirties before there was an Internet, before there was a way to have digital currencies or surveillance or so forth. map all this stuff out but sure enough they had these documents and since the nineteen seventies with the trilateral commission this has been a full court press through the trial commission the wef and other organizations to move in this direction and we're now at the final stages of this and what's interesting about what's going on in iran with people bombing each other's oil supply and you know the discussions now of there being lockdowns related to energy coming out of the IEA, this is setting up the emergency by which you would implement a digital currency backed by carbon credits. I mean, we're kind of seeing this play out. So I want you to understand this is a political ideology. This isn't technology. This is an ideology. And it is anti-free will. I say that it's anti-free will because under technocracy, you don't make decisions for yourself. You are told what you can and cannot do. what your behaviors can and cannot be within the system of energy credits. And so this is why, to me, this is this is so important. So it's not a matter of technology. It's a matter of and now the evolution of technocracy is instead of having scientists and engineers make decisions for you, we will have AI make decisions for us. And so this is essentially critical to understand as we get into this and so and you know craig you feel you know this this introductory stuff is just kind of i'll get this out of the way and then we'll get into the Yeah, take your time. It's good. Into the heart of this. But every technocratic takeover, at least that I've seen so far, this is kind of my thesis, follows these four steps. And the first is blur the line. So create public-private partnerships. Again, this is not capitalism. Public-private partnerships are anything but that. So you begin to blur the line between... government and corporations. And then the second step is you hide the money. You route public money through opaque organizations that are exempt from transparency laws. This is a big trick, by the way, that the Defense Department uses, many departments use. There are many laws that require the federal government to be transparent. And one way that they get around that is by working with contractors. Those contractors are not subject to that same transparency. So this is a trick that kind of applies even outside of the technocratic discussion. This is a way that the government has been able to skip the transparency. The step three is build a surveillance infrastructure, which is then sold as always, safety and efficiency. Always safety and efficiency. These things get put in in emergencies. Or Doge is the perfect example of this. People bought Doge. People got all excited. Doge is going to make, you know, we're going to eliminate the budget deficit. This was one of the discussions. Two trillion dollars in savings from Doge. That was never about that. It was about connecting the federal government databases to one another for data collection purposes, connecting Palantir in particular through APIs to all of these government databases. And this has happened, and I've shared this tweet now twice this week, where it's now been announced that Palantir will be working with the IRS to come up with algorithms to figure out who to audit. Now, by the way, if you're a libertarian and you still think Peter Thiel is a libertarian, I think I said something like you're either a fed or you're a retarded. So, in any event, at this point, when Palantir is using their AI through a government contract to determine how audits work, that's not libertarian. Anyway, stage four... is strip democratic oversight so make make how all of it works how the relationships work how the technology works the infrastructure very too complex for voters to even understand and then you rinse and repeat that at every level city county state federal and international So this is essentially the playbook. And this is how the playbook scales. Somebody says... Oh, sorry. Face says, intros are too long for future references. So I actually have to do the intro with the music and everything else because this is how I share. Because... We go live primarily on X. I can't share links out until it's actually live. So one of the things I was working on is, I didn't get it done in time, but a way of having some voice recordings between the video clips that explains what's going on. It's like, okay, this is the first song. Please share and explain what's going on with this. And so it's critical to do that. But if you're new, you'll realize that usually, you know, Show starts. And I do the other stuff at the beginning just because it's important to get people caught up. There's a lot of content here. And so, I mean, after the fact, there are show notes and everything on YouTube. You can click right through all of that and jump right in. But this is why it's done that way, just if you are interested. And at some point, if it changes, the mechanism changes, I may cut down the intro stuff. So with that said... You know, again, multiple levels, same mechanism. And so local, you have smart city initiatives, you have tax increment financing, public private development deals. At the state level, you have privatized economic development agencies. You have digital ID mandates and data center subsidies. At the federal level, you have things like DOGE, regulatory capture, intelligence community partnerships. And at the international level, you have things like the Gaza Board of Peace, the WHO Pandemic Treaty, CBDCs, and so forth. But each of these levels reinforces the other and making it really impossible to escape. You end up captured... completely within the system. It's just that the system has various levels. So with that said, why Ohio? Why was Ohio picked really to be the epicenter for this? And before we get into Ohio, I want to say, if you think about it, and I talked about this a couple of weeks ago, Gaza is a perfect case study. If you can go into the Middle East in one of the most contentious areas on the planet, and you can level it and turn it into a technocracy, then you have a blueprint that you can apply anywhere. This is one of the same reasons that one of the first ever CBDC pilots in the entire world was in Nigeria, where less than half of the population has internet access in Nigeria. I've talked to people in Nigeria. No one wanted it. It was pushed by the World Bank and the IMF. And then when I dug into it further, the real logic behind that is if you can figure out how to get populations with limited internet access on this, then that's going to allow you to roll it out. That's data that you can use for rural areas. Just a couple of stats about Ohio. It ranks fourth nationally in data center concentration. So I had no idea. And we'll go into the details of this. But one hundred ninety three facilities and counting. Columbus was the twenty sixteen Smart City Challenge winner. One hundred and forty million dollars to eliminate private cars. Jobs, Ohio, first state to privatize economic development except from all public records. There's a town called New Albany, and we'll get into more of the details on this, went from fifteen hundred to eleven thousand residents. It's America's first corporate design town. And Craig knows this well. And it's got strategic geography. It's in the middle of the country as water access, cheap power and business friendly politicians. Well, I would say public private partnership friendly politicians. politicians um but uh but you know now i want to get into um you know i'm going to bring in craig because this is where where craig shines uh you know he brought this to my attention do you want to start with i guess at the beginning here because we're going to go back again if you've read whitney webb's uh article or watching her interviews this this is going back this is much more foundational and i'd never heard of this guy until craig mentioned it months and months ago You want to start in with Mac? Yeah. Yeah. So one of the things is another reason for Ohio being a, you know, a place to start is when you, When you study like marketing around the country and essentially probably even ultimately around the world and you're pushing products, Ohio is one of those test states where they like to put things in there and see how the market responds in Columbus. And then if it responds well, then they also push it out. So there's kind of that tendency already, Aaron, where the Midwest is just sort of, You know, it's kind of like you said, if you can do it in Gaza, you can do it anywhere. And it's the same kind of a thing in Ohio, I think, where, you know, it's a good test market. It's middle America. You know, it's not flashy. You know, it's not the East Coast. It's not. west coast you know it's not an innovator but it is but it is important and so that's kind of where we're at you know on this the other thing i wanted to throw out there too is that you know i think you know as you bring up the technocracy and you know the start in the thing that always runs through my head is how do they keep something like this going you know for a hundred years like how like you said it's amazing that they came up with that stuff you know know the you know and even the energy that's one of the things you kind of left out is one of the innovative things i mean energy is becoming big in ohio as well with american electric power and these small modular reactors if anyone's been paying attention in the news they've been talking about you know locating some of these small modular reactors i have some friends that work for american electric power and they're involved in the real estate side and they're doing acquisitions already to buy and buy the land and create whatever legislation needs to occur to locate some of these small modular reactors. And the CEO of AEP told them, he said, before I leave this post, we're going to have small modular reactors. So they're very, very focused on this. So there's things we don't know. There's things that are going on behind the scenes that we don't know. All we do is we get little dots and we have to connect them. Right. So those are hopefully some of the dots I can bring tonight. And, you know, is to like, you know, you know, the power side of this. And that's what we're going to get into with Max Fisher a little bit. And the most important thing I want to bring up with Max Fisher is, you know, how does this stuff go from, you know, we're going to talk about Max Fisher and then how that eases into Les Wexner and then how that connection is made with Jeffrey Epstein and then how Epstein and, and, you know, all these guys kind of roll over into Peter Thiel and how that stuff rolls over to JD Vance and Vivek Ramaswamy and, and, And Palmer Lucky, who's at Andoril now. So it's just kind of this evolution. And how does this stuff transfer through generations, right? Well, If you only have two points, if you only have Wexner and Epstein and you only have what's going on today, then it's hard to connect this. But as soon as you add a guy like Max Fisher into the equation, you now have three points to connect. And you can say, wait a minute, there's something more going on here, right? There's a transfer of intelligence, power, control, money, influence, all these things that are going on. And that's exactly what Max Fisher is, right? So Max Fisher... And I don't know if you have any of those photos up at all ready to go, Aaron, but what I'll do is I'll go through this. And if you have any of those, if you want to get those ready, we can kind of go through those. It doesn't really matter the order. I don't have the photo. I mean, I can get the photos, but you can also share the photos if you want on your end. Let me. Oh, I don't know if I have them on this, on this machine. All right. Let me. Is there any way you can display those? It's no rush. We can get them back to it too. If, if, Let me let me see how I can do this. I'll just I'll just keep going and we'll see kind of what you can figure out there. OK, so Max Fisher. All right. This guy was born in nineteen oh eight in Pennsylvania. Parents were Russian Jews. He grew up in Salem, Ohio, and he got some help building a oil company that we got that became pretty big. Right. It was called Aurora Oil. And And it was funded officially. It was funded by a guy named Henry Wanger. And this was after Max Fischer's father didn't want to invest in this company. And so what they did is they were... It was a big oil operation that turned into before Speedway. It was called Speedway. Seventy nine, I think, is what it turned into. But ultimately, he grew this into one of the largest independent oil companies in the Midwest. And he, Aurora, this oil company that Max Fisher founded. assembled, was ultimately sold to Ohio Oil in nineteen fifty nine and then it became Marathon Petroleum. So these are names you might know Speedway, Marathon Petroleum. But essentially he was at the beginning of all that stuff. OK, now, Henry Wenger was the official guy that helped him fund this. But there's rumors. Right. And from some good researchers that it was actually someone in the Ford family or a Ford related entity. OK, and that'll come back because we've got these characters that tie together with this corporatocracy and, and hopefully we'll be able to really put this together for you guys. Okay. So he then went on to become a giant in the Jewish community. Okay. He co founded the mega group with his protege, Les Wexner. Okay. And they were, they were powerful. Um, and Max Fisher was really ultimately for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for he advised, multitudes of presidents, I think all the way from Eisenhower into George W. Bush, okay? So he's this quiet guy that no one's really heard the name of, but he was exerting influence for probably, I mean, almost, well, I would say a good forty years anyway, forty to fifty years, okay? And he was an advisor to ten administrations, right? And including big ones were Nixon, Ford, Reagan. He tended to lean more toward the Republican side of things. And he was so big. in the oil industry and everything else that when he passed away, George W. Bush named Route Twenty-Four, the Max Fisher Memorial Highway or something like that, all the way from Minton, Colorado to into right around Detroit, Michigan. Okay. So he was heavily, heavily involved in U.S.-Israel affairs and in the Middle East, right? He advised U.S. presidents and Israel prime ministers. And one of the big ones, you know, that you may have heard recently, you know, because we get the Twelve Day War and, you know, in Iran and stuff like that. Well, he advised over this six-day war, okay, in Israel. And that was one of the big ones. If anyone had heard his name, that's probably where you heard it. Then we get this guy, then we get Max Fischer, kind of teams up with, as he's becoming this big oil tycoon, okay, and he's sort of getting out of that, and he's getting more into the political influence side of things, mostly between the U.S. and the Middle East, He gets to be good buddies with Henry Ford II and a guy named Jack Bugis. This is where we get into a little bit of political ties here. This is like during the Kennedy administration, right? Because Jack Bugis and McNamara were the two guys that were kind of vying for the same position. Bugis also had FBI ties, okay? So he also was slated to potentially run the FBI. Instead, he went and he worked for Ford, okay? And he made a fortune, right? So how does a guy in charge of security for Ford become incredibly wealthy? If you remember, Remember the camel commercials, the tobacco commercials, right? Where the guy's riding on the horse out on that ranch. That's Jack Bugis' private ranch, right? That was his ranch. It was like the largest non-commercial, you know, had no working bridges or anything. I mean, it was literally all horseback and everything. But he had this massive ranch, kind of like a Ted Turner type of guy, right? Massive amount of land. And so he made a fortune doing that. You have to wonder, it's very questionable, how do they do this, right? How does someone like that head of security for Ford become so wealthy? Well, all of a sudden you start wondering, well, how does Epstein get so wealthy? How does a guy named Wexner get so wealthy? Well, because they're in the system, right? They get in the system. And this is that thing, right? If we can make a case that Max Fischer was an important power player, not only as a businessman in the oil industry, Sold his company to, you know, Marathon, to Ohio Oil, which became Marathon Petroleum. Then he spent, you know, I don't know, four to five decades influencing things between the Middle East and the U.S. Had an oil background, makes sense with Saudi Arabia. And when we start to show some of these slides, if we can do that, we'll see that he also had involvement in intelligence, but also in defense systems, like AWACS airplanes. When AWACS airplanes were big, they were selling this stuff to the Saudis, but they were delaying it, right? So that we had preferential, or someone did, someone had preferential information from these AWACS airplanes, okay? Those are the ones that fly around with the big disc on the top, right? They can survey a lot of stuff. They were big, but I doubt they use that stuff anymore. I don't think they have AWACS airplanes anymore, do they, Aaron? I haven't seen one. They were big for about three years. They're in the process of being decommissioned, but we do have some. Yeah, okay. OK. And so the so you have to wonder, was this Bugis some kind of an operative? Right. Was Max Fisher some kind of an operative? All right. And then we say then we start to see Max Fisher and Les Wexner. So Les Wexner was a guy who came about. You know, we've got we've got some pictures. I can load them up one at a time. Yeah, let's go through these. So on the right there, there's Max Fisher, and I'm assuming that's his wife on the other side of George, old man Bush, okay? And here it says, a quote, I don't know who this quote is, but it says, few people in America have played a larger role in business, world politics, and community service than Max Fisher. Okay, there's one of them. I don't know if you can just, can you kind of scroll through some of those, Aaron, or are they? I'm going to load them up one at a time, so. Okay. There we go. Okay, so here he is negotiating a big deal. Now, this is with Frank Kellogg of the U.S. State Department. Okay, so again, major player in there. There's a couple characters in here that we don't really need to get into, but there's Dubinsky and there's Gottlieb Hammer. But major player in the State Department, right? Always there, always in the scene. You can see him off to the right, kind of standing there. He's not the guy at the table signing stuff, but he's one of the influencers that's always there behind these administrations. OK, here he is with Henry Ford II presenting a check to Max Fisher in the United Jewish Appeal. So, again, you know, strong in the Jewish community. But but this shows, you know, this Henry Ford, Henry Ford, Jack Bugis and Max Fisher were very, very tight. Right. Basically, the three amigos. And keep rolling if you want to just keep flying through those as fast as you can, Aaron. And I'm just trying to make a case for this guy was an important player. Now, he's also – this shows you the creation of the Rand Corporation. For anybody who's kind of followed this, the Rand Corporation, you know, you could spend an hour on this. But Henry Ford's part of this Rand Corporation. and there's ties above that on the right hand side you can see roger mcnamara okay roger mcnamara and jack bugis okay um we're we're basically vying for similar positions in the administration again intelligence assets both of them kind of intelligence assets again this was under the kennedy era we probably go to the next one aaron but this will tie a little bit into the technology like we're seeing now in ohio with um with the military base. Okay, here's some of the Rand Corporation. So here are some of the names, you know, Henry Ford II. There's Max Fisher up at the top. You get Donald Rumsfeld in there, Henry Kissinger, Schlesinger, James Rodney Schlesinger, and Horace Gay III Jr., okay? And then you get Ford Foundation. So these are the other things like Aaron's talked about. You know, you get these foundations, ways to move money around through different things, Ford Foundation, Rand Corporation, and then this MITRE. Probably roll on from that one too, if you want. Okay, so here he is sitting there with Gerald Ford, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger in Rumsfeld to convey his concern about the reassessment of U.S. policy toward Israel. Fischer had recently returned from a visit to Israel and had met with Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. So he was, I can't remember when he was there. And that was probably what, seventies, I would say. Yitzhak, I think that's about what it was. It would fit with Ford. Yep, that's about right. And here's the beauty, the big beauty. Yep. So here he is with Kissinger. Two max fish with best wishes. Henry Kissinger. This guy was a major power player. Okay, are we good there? We're good there, yep. Okay. All right. You are ready to move on from that. Well, can we just connect a few things? I just want to do the connection here real quickly on this. So on the next, yeah, the next slide, you can go to the next one. Yep. I think it's the next one. There you go. Yeah. Perfect. Okay. So So Max Fisher had played football at Ohio State, went to Ohio State, and his name is on the Ohio State School of Business. His nephew, right, who owns the Miami Dolphins, his name is on the Michigan School of Business, right, University of Michigan. So for those of you who know, there's a rivalry between Ohio State and Michigan. So here you have, you know, uncle and nephew, right, funding both business schools. And not only that, it was actually Wes Wexner that recommended Fisher fund the School of Business. Or so it goes. At least that's what it says, you know, in everything. On all the, you know, how this business school was founded. Now, why that matters is because Wexner has his name on it. over everything at ohio state university okay so an ohio state university is probably the center figure of central ohio you know obviously people know it for sports and things like that but it's just a huge institution sits pretty much in the center of the downtown area and they wexner has his name on the medical center wexner medic wexner center for arts and every almost every corner in central ohio that you drive on when there's like a little you know you know, a little dock in the box on the corner, you know, like little, you know, local, what do they call those things there? And the little, where you go into the little ERs, the little local emergency rooms. Yep. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. Convenience. Almost all of them have, it says, it says Wexner Medical Center. So it has his name everywhere, right? So this guy's name is everywhere in central Ohio. Okay. Now, how did these guys get to know each other? Well, the, the, It was probably on a deal, at least, at least this is as far back as, you know, might go further back than this. But in nineteen eighty three, they were involved together on the purchase of Sotheby's. OK, the auction fund. And it involved Alfred Taubman, Milton Petrie, Henry Ford II, Les Wexner and Max Fisher. OK, and the and so. The question is, I think when Max Fischer left, when he sold his company, I think he sold it for maybe fifty million, and he ended up dying with almost a billion. So he was obviously making money after that through investments. So he was definitely connected. I mean, that was pretty significant. I think he died in two thousand and six or something like that. So that was a pretty significant amount of money at that point. Now, if we go to Wexner, Wexner has claimed many, many times that Max Fischer was his, that's where he learned so much, right? That's what he claims all the time. Max Fischer was his mentor. And so who's Wexner now, right? Just a quick little reflection on Wexner. He learned, his parents were in the merchandise business, had a little small mom and pop merchandise, fabric and textile, some kind of, I think women's clothing. And and he worked for them for twelve years. Then Wexner went on to start the limited in nineteen sixty three. OK. And again, a little suburb in central Ohio with a five thousand dollar loan or so it goes. Right. And then by night, within six months, he opened up a second store. And then by nineteen seventy six, he had one hundred stores opened up. OK. He took the company public in nineteen sixty nine on the New York Stock Exchange. And here's where it gets important is that. When Wexner and we're going to get into this with New Albany. I have some inside information on this because I knew people who were involved, you know, doing stock seats on the stock exchange on the New York Stock Exchange, but also in the bond market. And they were asked by Wexner to float bonds for them, you know, to grow the limited. and other things, and they turned it down. And so the question is, how did Les Wexner get so much funding in a relatively quick period of time? I mean, he seemed to get access to capital. And not only that, once he actually took the Limited, which was the company that really gave him his, you know, at least that's the centerpiece for his empire was the Limited and all of the other Limited brand stores like Victoria's Secrets and all the other ones that he aggregated onto that. was the real, once he got a big balance sheet with The Limited, he used that to leverage to buy the land in New Albany for all the stuff that we're gonna get into. So we've got Max Fisher, the mentor for Leslie Wexner, Wexner in the fashion business, builds this empire, The Limited, And off shoots from that so many different things, right? The Southern Air Transport, you know, New Albany Corporation, banking situations, Epstein, all this stuff that starts to get connected to this guy. And the fact that he could use the limited ballot sheet, right, to actually buy a lot of this land. And that was a big deal at the time. at the time because people were like, how's he doing this? How's he actually using the balance sheet of the limited, which is a publicly traded company to buy this land for more of a private deal. And this is kind of what Aaron's alluded to at the beginning is the mystery part of it, right? The hidden, the hidden money behind it. Yup. And I actually, this is a point at least that I have here maybe to, to start introducing the mega group. Yeah. And so in this mega group, we have a whole swath of individuals and we have the Bronfman family, which is Seagram's. We have Steven Spielberg, right, the movie maker. We have Michael Steinhardt, which was one of the original major hedge fund players out there. We have a couple investment banking interests. We have the Lauder family, S.D. Lauder, and we have Ron Lauder, which, you know, I think we mentioned this in a prior show when we were working together on another topic, Aaron, was Kevin Warsh is the son-in-law of Ron Lauder, who is on this mega group. And so the mega group was formed by Les Wexner and Kevin. Max Fischer, and I think Bronfman, right? The Bronfman's had an interest in forming this. And what it was, I mean, on the surface, what it is, is it's a, you know, a place for the Jewish business leaders, right, to come together and, you know, On the surface, if you think everything's above board, it makes sense. A bunch of business leaders get together. They sit on each other's boards. They share information. They leverage contacts. It's a networking thing. But it seems to be that it wasn't that above board because it was formed in And it wasn't really exposed until nineteen ninety eight based off of a Wall Street Journal article. Now, I don't know what drove that Wall Street Journal article. I don't know if they wanted to be found out and be exposed or if it just got exposed. I don't know how that came about, but it was basically a seven year window of time where it was. It was one of these, you know, under the. secret society type of, you know, at least that's the persona that takes on now kind of the secret society thing. But again, it was primarily Max Fisher, Les Wexner, and then Bronfman family with interest in that. And we've, I think we've talked about that a little bit too, Aaron, where the Bronfman family and the Seagrams, I mean, there's definitely some pretty shady stuff that's going on there too. Um, I don't know if you want to get into that tonight. Well, yeah, you have NXIVM. I mean, again, this is an introductory conversation to this because, as we've discussed, this can go in a variety of different directions. But I think the important part to understand that this was a group of only Jewish billionaires that met twice a year with the explicit purpose of coordinating political donations, policy influence, and relations with Israel. I mean, this is what it was. formed to do so um so i mean this isn't you know an anti-jewish thing this is a people like to talk about who are the different pockets of of power well this is twenty billionaires with an explicit purpose meeting twice a year now i don't know how much we want to get into anything around Anything that you might have learned about what it is that they meet and discuss, whether that's appropriate here now or not. Yeah, I can I can bring up one thing because I think this is an attention grabber. But the but again, I can't disclose the contact how I know this or why. But, you know, for me anyway, you know, for what it's worth, it's a very trusted resource. I have no reason to believe that this isn't one hundred percent true. But they. a topic of discussion at least once, if not more than once, was culling the herd, right? That was literally one of the topics of conversation, you know, as they were getting together to call the herd. So you wonder, you know, your mind wonders, well, what does that mean? Did that mean they have, like, interest in, you know, some sort of anything to do with, you know, you know, COVID, I mean, you know, your mind wanders, like, what does that mean? How do they perform calling a herd? Is it just, is it, you know, again, is it, is it bad nutrition? Is it lack of knowledge? Is it, you know, is it something that's happening in the water? Is it something that's, I mean, I don't know what that would mean, what that would constitute, culling the herd, but that was one of the topics of discussion for this small group was culling the herd. And so I really can't go into how I know that or why, because I promise not disclose that. But, you know, that is, that it was a topic of discussion at least one time, if not more than once. So this is important for setting the groundwork here is you have Fisher, who was Wexner's mentor. These guys form this mega group that is working on shaping very specific policy, influencing policy with direct ties to