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OneLegUpAlex Revisits with Bob Boris of Hollyword Media 5-23-25 · OneLegUpAlex Media

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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Alex Garrett.
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Speaker 2: All right, and we are back with one of my
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Speaker 2: favorite guests.
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Speaker 3: It was only a second time now, but Robert Boris,
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Speaker 3: who's a Hollywood legend and a screenwriter legend and all
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Speaker 3: that and has really made connections to well known in Hollywood,
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Speaker 3: joins me again. Thanks to lucas A for our Robert
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Speaker 3: Bob Boris, thanks for joining me today.
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Speaker 1: It is my pleasure to join you. It's nice to
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Speaker 1: say hi to your audience again, and it's nice to
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Speaker 1: be able to talk.
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Speaker 3: All right, we have some news about your project, which
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Speaker 3: we can break in the next few days. But but
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Speaker 3: what I want to bring on is because we had
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Speaker 3: talked about discussing your time with those like Richard Pryor
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Speaker 3: and you know, the Clint Eastwood story, and then we'll
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Speaker 3: revisit that one too, But I really want to start
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Speaker 3: with Richard Pryor because one of my favorite movies, Bob is,
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Speaker 3: in fact Silver Street.
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Speaker 2: Can you give us some insight into that movie.
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Speaker 1: Well, I was came to, you know, get involved with
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Speaker 1: Richard sometime after that that one launched him into superstardom
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Speaker 1: and then he was basically he was, you know, choosing
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Speaker 1: the movies he wanted, choosing the stars he wanted, choosing
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Speaker 1: the directors he wanted, and of course the writers he wanted.
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Speaker 1: I can say that I didn't spend a lot of
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Speaker 1: time when we met. I didn't spend a lot of
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Speaker 1: time talking to him about Silver Street, although I later
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Speaker 1: met Gene Wilder and we talked about Silver Street. But
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Speaker 1: so I got to know him really well. I think
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Speaker 1: the interesting story about Richard in my early meetings with him,
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Speaker 1: in my early getting together, is that I was working
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Speaker 1: with the producer's name was Marvin Wirth, and he had
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Speaker 1: produced an extraordinary film called Lenny that starred Dustin Hoffman,
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Speaker 1: and it was about Lenny Bruce, the comedian and uh.
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Speaker 1: And it was an amazing movie and an amazing performance
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Speaker 1: by Dustin Hoffman and uh and very powerful and very heartbreaking,
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Speaker 1: and so it and very Oscar nominated, and it did
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Speaker 1: win several awards. And so Marvin was at the top
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Speaker 1: of his game, and he had either become friends or
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Speaker 1: knew Richard. So I had gone to Marvin because I
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Speaker 1: got to know him, and I mentioned to him that
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Speaker 1: I had a story for Richard and a script that
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Speaker 1: I wanted to write for Richard. And I told him
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Speaker 1: the story, and it was and it was called I
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Speaker 1: called it some kind of Hero. And basically it kind
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Speaker 1: of tried to use the magical formula of Silver Street,
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Speaker 1: of putting Richard together with an entirely different kind of guy.
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Speaker 1: And it was a World War two story. And the
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Speaker 1: idea was that Richard was a cook. And now in
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Speaker 1: North Africa during World War two, and the American military
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Speaker 1: during those days didn't have much regard or respect or
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Speaker 1: even care for their African American soldiers, and so they
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Speaker 1: were just cooks and they, you know, if they got injured,
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Speaker 1: well with the help and and so he really and
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Speaker 1: they weren't even training them to work with with weapons,
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Speaker 1: so theyre so they didn't have any formal training with
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Speaker 1: with guns. They basically if they were cooked, they worked
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Speaker 1: in the kitchen and uh, and that was it. And
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Speaker 1: so during the course of the early war in North Africa,
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Speaker 1: where there were the Germans and there was Rommel, and
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Speaker 1: there was the British, and there was all kinds of
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Speaker 1: complicated actions and and and and things going on, Richard,
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Speaker 1: my character that I had the idea for, couldn't take
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Speaker 1: it anymore and decided that it was time to leave.
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Speaker 1: When they treated him, there was a raid on on
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Speaker 1: the on the camp and a bunch of the cooks
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Speaker 1: were killed, who couldn't even defend themselves. He got furious
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Speaker 1: and basically he said, I'm deserting and I'm leaving because
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Speaker 1: they don't give a damn about me, and he headed
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Speaker 1: out into North Africa. He raced away, and he was
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Speaker 1: going to make it to the to the ocean and
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Speaker 1: hopefully grab a boat so that he could get to Lisbon,
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Speaker 1: which was at that time not too far away and
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Speaker 1: was what was called an open city that anybody could
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Speaker 1: go there. It was not involved in the war, and
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Speaker 1: so people came there and they were trying to avoid
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Speaker 1: the war, and that's where he wanted to go. He
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Speaker 1: wanted to get away from everything and get there. On
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Speaker 1: the other side, there was this American who was of
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Speaker 1: Italian descent who was visiting his family at the start
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Speaker 1: of the war in Rome. And he came from New
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Speaker 1: York and he was a New York kid. And that
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Speaker 1: was my Gene Wilder idea, and it was it was
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Speaker 1: a New York kid and he went home to visit
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Speaker 1: his family because he had an Italian connection. And when
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Speaker 1: war broke out. It was between the United Italy and
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Speaker 1: the United States. Mussolini, who was the head of Italy
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Speaker 1: and and and and the premiere, he decided that any
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Speaker 1: anybody of any of Italian descent was in Italy at
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Speaker 1: that time when war broke out could be inducted into
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Speaker 1: the military. So even though this character was was not Italian,
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Speaker 1: you know, totally, he really was. He'd never really been there.
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Speaker 1: He'd always been in New York. He was strictly an
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Speaker 1: American kid. But even though he was that, they they
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Speaker 1: caught him in Rome and they and they inducted him
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Speaker 1: into the Italian military. And he became a soldier in
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Speaker 1: North Africa working for the Germans. So he was an
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Speaker 1: American who who was in the Italian army and he
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Speaker 1: was stuck with you know, because they were allies, the
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Speaker 1: Germans and the Italians. He was stuck working with the Nazis.
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Speaker 1: And when he and they and they kind of laughed
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Speaker 1: at him, and they and they roughed him up and
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Speaker 1: they treated him like crap. So the idea was that
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Speaker 1: they would take this guy and they beat the crap
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Speaker 1: out of him and make him do whatever they wanted.
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Speaker 1: And he too escaped So now my story was about
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Speaker 1: two guys who were running from the war. Both actually
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Speaker 1: were Americans, but they both were on the opposite side,
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Speaker 1: and they and they ended up finding each other in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the desert, and they and they started
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Speaker 1: to go after each other, and they wanted to steal
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Speaker 1: from each other until they finally found a way to
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Speaker 1: work together. And then they found a terrible secret, and
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Speaker 1: so they went on and became heroes. Quite reluctantly. Marvin
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Speaker 1: loved the story. He said, why don't we tell it
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Speaker 1: to Richard and see if we got him, get him involved,
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Speaker 1: because it's a great story for Richard. So she came
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Speaker 1: into a meeting. And here I was in a meeting
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Speaker 1: at Warner Brothers with the to me, the greatest star
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Speaker 1: in the world at that moment, which was Richard Pryor.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sitting down there and I loved Richard from
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Speaker 1: his movies, from Silver Street, from his stand up comedy days.
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Speaker 1: I was in awe of him. So I started to
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Speaker 1: tell the story. And he was there sitting with a
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Speaker 1: woman holding her hand, and it was and he brought
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Speaker 1: her to the meeting, and she was cleaning tidy to him,
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Speaker 1: and it was very lovey dove between the two of them,
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Speaker 1: and I was telling the story, and every once in
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Speaker 1: a while he would she would tug his arm, and
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Speaker 1: then he would get a phone call and he'd said no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: give her that, no, no, give him that. No, No,
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Speaker 1: it's okay, it's okay, and then he'd hang up, and
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Speaker 1: then he continued the meeting. So I kept being interrupted
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Speaker 1: by this phone call with whoever he was talking to,
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Speaker 1: and he was getting, you know, giving up stuff into
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Speaker 1: arguing about stuff. But and the meeting continued. At the end,
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Speaker 1: Richard and I had a real connection. He loved the story.
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Speaker 1: He said, let's do it, and and and so Marvin
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Speaker 1: made a deal with me to write the screenplay to
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Speaker 1: to eight No Heroes. And then Richard left the meeting
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Speaker 1: and I said, that was amazing. But he was on
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Speaker 1: that call so many times. I didn't you know that
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Speaker 1: he listened to the story. And Marvin said, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: know he was. He was on the phone with his
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Speaker 1: lawyer talking about his wife who he was divorcing, and
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Speaker 1: what she would give him but he would give her,
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Speaker 1: and what he wouldn't give her. And it was all
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Speaker 1: about what what what they're they're they're breaking up in
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Speaker 1: their nuptials and all of that stuff.
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Speaker 3: Well, that, that's that's gotta be a wild way to
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Speaker 3: pitch a movie during a divorce.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you.
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Speaker 1: But here's here's the punchline. Let me tell you the punchline.
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Speaker 1: I said, that's amazing. But he still loved the story.
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Speaker 1: He said, yeah. And by the way, the woman he
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Speaker 1: was divorcing was the one who was sitting right there
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Speaker 1: holding his hand. So there he is talking to me,
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Speaker 1: listening to my story and talking to his lawyer about
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Speaker 1: divorcing the woman who was holding his hand and sitting
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Speaker 1: next to him. That's how I met Richard Pryor. So
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Speaker 1: that and then you know, and we became best friends.
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Speaker 1: After that. I wrote some kind of Hero for him,
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Speaker 1: which was another movie, and he wanted me to come
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Speaker 1: aboard because he liked the way I talked, And I
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Speaker 1: ended up writing another movie for him, which he did film.
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Speaker 1: So all right, now I'm interrupted. You go ahead and
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Speaker 1: ask her.
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Speaker 2: Was he as funny off screen as he was on screen?
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Speaker 1: Funn air he was? He was a no hols Bard, aggressive,
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Speaker 1: wonderful comic all the time, very caring, very decent guy.
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Speaker 1: I adored him, and he broke up the set when
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Speaker 1: we were making Some kind of Hero. He broke up
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Speaker 1: the set all the time, and you know, he was
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Speaker 1: a remarkable human being. And then I was lucky enough
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Speaker 1: to go out when he wanted before the film started shooting.
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Speaker 1: He had me come out to his estate and Maui
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Speaker 1: in Hawaii, and I stayed there for about two weeks,
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Speaker 1: and I saw him every day. I was in an
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Speaker 1: hotel right a short distance away from his ranch or
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Speaker 1: his estate, and I would go would go over to
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Speaker 1: see him every day, and on the table in front
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Speaker 1: of him while we were talking, he had this huge
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Speaker 1: kind of silver tray and it was about a mile
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Speaker 1: high with the best weed I'd ever seen or tasted.
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Speaker 1: And every once in a while he would take a
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Speaker 1: handful and he and he'd put it into and too,
10:45
Speaker 1: he would actually take a sheet of newspaper. In those
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Speaker 1: days we had big newspapers, and he would take a
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Speaker 1: sheet of newspaper and he he put a bunch of
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Speaker 1: weed into the newspaper, he rolled it up and smoke
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Speaker 1: this giant more like smoking a tree trunk of grass.
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Speaker 1: And we did that together for about two weeks, and
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Speaker 1: the guy was wonderful and.
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Speaker 3: Well you know, I got to ask you this. Oh sorry,
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Speaker 3: you're gonna say something else, Sorry about that?
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Speaker 1: No, I just said he was you know, he was
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Speaker 1: incredibly wonderful and very caring and and it was one
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Speaker 1: of the great experiences in my life was to be
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Speaker 1: able to sit there and talk to him about movies,
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Speaker 1: about a little bit about Silver Streak, a little bit
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Speaker 1: about the things he wanted to do. He already at
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Speaker 1: that moment in time had said to me that what
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Speaker 1: he wants to do when he was and he said,
11:41
Speaker 1: help me and try and get into I wanted. I
11:43
Speaker 1: want to be in the Superman movie. And I and
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Speaker 1: I said, you know, look, I do anything again to
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Speaker 1: help you. But they've got their writers and they're great writers.
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Speaker 1: They're doing a great job with it. And he said,
11:55
Speaker 1: give me an idea that I can help me, an
11:57
Speaker 1: idea that I can talk to them about. I just
11:59
Speaker 1: want to try and get and motivated. And so we
12:03
Speaker 1: bade around ideas. He and I told the ones that
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Speaker 1: he liked the most. I suggested, that's that one has
12:09
Speaker 1: the best idea about a computer. But he had an
12:13
Speaker 1: idea about a computer programmer, and who did who had
12:16
Speaker 1: all kinds of special skills, and I thought that was
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Speaker 1: very clever, and I said, work that one out. That's
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Speaker 1: the one that I would work on if I was
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Speaker 1: writing it, and which I didn't, and uh and and
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Speaker 1: so and then I remember during the course of filming
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Speaker 1: Some kind of Hero, he come in and he hugged
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Speaker 1: me in the makeup trailer one morning and said, they
12:38
Speaker 1: they offered me a role and and then and they're
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Speaker 1: writing this, you know the character I gave them, and
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Speaker 1: they're going to do that put me in a Superman movie.
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Speaker 1: So so he was very happy.
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Speaker 2: Did you ever get invited to his comedy act?
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Speaker 1: I have to ask, well, I went to I mean
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Speaker 1: he did Richard Prior a live on Sunset strip, so
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Speaker 1: I yes, I was invited to be there and say
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Speaker 1: I sat in in the in the orchestra section along
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Speaker 1: with the director and the producer of Some kind of Hero,
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Speaker 1: and I saw him there. I think the most amazing
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Speaker 1: time that I had was, let's see, I think it
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Speaker 1: was right after he was testing some work out at
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Speaker 1: at a comedy club in Los Angeles. I forget which one,
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Speaker 1: which one it was, but he wanted to He didn't
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Speaker 1: tell anybody that he was going to you know, It
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Speaker 1: wasn't put in the paper or anything like that that
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Speaker 1: Richard Pryor was going to be here, and it was.
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Speaker 1: It was one of the better ones. I forget which
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Speaker 1: one it was, but he was gonna, you know, he said,
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Speaker 1: why don't you come in and hear me. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to test out some new material. And I said, fine,
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Speaker 1: I know, I would love to. And I went there,
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Speaker 1: and of course, you know, yes, it wasn't in the press,
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Speaker 1: and yes it was. Nobody was able to promote the
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Speaker 1: idea that Richard was going to be there. But uh uh,
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Speaker 1: he had so many great stars were there. They showed
14:05
Speaker 1: up to go to watch him, and uh and and
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Speaker 1: what's his name? The folks singer? Uh, I forget and
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Speaker 1: now it's escapes my mind. But one of the great
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Speaker 1: folk singers was there. And anyway, there were a bunch
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Speaker 1: of incredible celebrities that were there, and they all went
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Speaker 1: backstage afterwards, and even Robin Williams was there, and they
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Speaker 1: all went backstage after it because they all adored Richard
14:33
Speaker 1: and and and everybody was sitting in Richard's dressing room,
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Speaker 1: and Willie Nelson and and and and then there Willie
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Speaker 1: took out his guitar and he started playing. And you're
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Speaker 1: in a small room in a in a dressing room
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Speaker 1: which is tight with and it was all celebrities in there.
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Speaker 1: And I was just fortunate enough that Richard invited me.
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Speaker 1: And I was like sitting on the floor, you know,
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Speaker 1: and being in a room where Willie is singing, you know,
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Speaker 1: basically serenading Richard and singing a kind of cool song
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Speaker 1: to him, and everybody is kind of going along with him,
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Speaker 1: and all you've got all these celebrities who are during Richard.
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Speaker 1: It was a magical night. And that was one of
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Speaker 1: the best times I ever had and one of the
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Speaker 1: times I was really grateful that I was in this world,
15:21
Speaker 1: you know, this crazy world culed show business or the
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Speaker 1: movie world. But I was very lucky just to be
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Speaker 1: a witness, you know, that's all. I wasn't a participant
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Speaker 1: that didn't do anything, but just to be a witness
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Speaker 1: in a room like that where everybody is close and
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Speaker 1: basically showing Richard their love for Richard, which they really did.
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Speaker 1: They loved the guy.
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Speaker 2: Well, that is some interesting of it.
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Speaker 3: And this is why I have you on, because you
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Speaker 3: have such a wealth of knowledge and history that I
15:45
Speaker 3: wanted to bring you on to talk about all this.
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Speaker 2: I want to ask about the.
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Speaker 3: The Gene Wilder side, because you mentioned you are friends
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Speaker 3: with you were friends with Gene Wilder as well. Am
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Speaker 3: I right?
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Speaker 1: It goes it's overstating the case that I was friends
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Speaker 1: that I had. Look, I'm the kind of writer. Look,
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Speaker 1: Black Sun is the most important thing in the world
16:07
Speaker 1: to me right now, in terms of the novel, which
16:09
Speaker 1: I am thrilled about and about. Every day I look
16:13
Speaker 1: in the paper, I read more about artificial intelligence. The
16:17
Speaker 1: fact there was an amazing video last week where there
16:21
Speaker 1: seemed to be some kind of artificial humanoid robot that
16:25
Speaker 1: lost control and that it was starting to flail around
16:29
Speaker 1: and hurt some of the people that were that were
16:32
Speaker 1: working on him. And so the dangers of AI fascinated me,
16:37
Speaker 1: and that's why I wrote this book about a rogue
16:39
Speaker 1: runaway AI that takes over an airplane. But even in
16:43
Speaker 1: those days and in my early days, I was interested
16:47
Speaker 1: in taking stories that were, you know, in the in
16:52
Speaker 1: the public eye and tried to work something around them.
16:57
Speaker 1: And part of the things that I that I also
16:59
Speaker 1: loved were movies that that had significant impact. There were
17:04
Speaker 1: great classical movies, and they were traditional, and there was
17:08
Speaker 1: one or two that I really enjoyed, and they were
17:12
Speaker 1: being re released. They were done in the fifties, and suddenly,
17:16
Speaker 1: you know, it was an English film that people were
17:19
Speaker 1: starting to talk a lot about again. And I fell
17:23
Speaker 1: in love with a story which was written by a
17:26
Speaker 1: very famous English author, playwright, actor, a very significant player,
17:32
Speaker 1: Noel Coward, who was an extremely witty, clever guy and
17:37
Speaker 1: wrote some brilliant material. And one of the plays that
17:41
Speaker 1: he wrote which became a terrific movie, which is called
17:44
Speaker 1: Blithe Spirit, and it was about a ghost of a
17:49
Speaker 1: guy who was comfortably married, kind of an English professor
17:54
Speaker 1: kind of guy. It almost got kind of like Actually,
17:59
Speaker 1: the car in the movie was played by Rex Harrison,
18:03
Speaker 1: who went on to play a similar character in My
18:05
Speaker 1: Fair Lady, a very you know, uptight English professor and
18:10
Speaker 1: he and so his wife had been lost to him,
18:14
Speaker 1: she died in a car accident, and now he had
18:16
Speaker 1: remarried again with a very kind of uptight, straight wife
18:22
Speaker 1: that was I guess kind of perfect for his lifestyle
18:25
Speaker 1: and his wife. The ghost comes back and for whatever
18:29
Speaker 1: the reasons are, and they were kinds of complicated reasons,
18:32
Speaker 1: but she came back to haunt him and to try
18:35
Speaker 1: and say, come on, you've got to try and live
18:37
Speaker 1: a little bit more. So she tried to make a
18:40
Speaker 1: mess of his life so that he would have to
18:41
Speaker 1: try and do something besides the routine that he had
18:44
Speaker 1: established very carefully. And I thought that was a wonderful
18:48
Speaker 1: idea for an American movie. And also I felt there
18:51
Speaker 1: was the time to do a kind of a gentle, wonderful,
18:58
Speaker 1: loving romance and stylized comedy, and and you know, not
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Speaker 1: to make a ghost story out of it, but to
19:07
Speaker 1: make a kind of romantic story out of it. What
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Speaker 1: were the ghosts? And so I had an idea, and
19:14
Speaker 1: I wrote a script called Bombay Crossing. It took place
19:17
Speaker 1: in the thirties, and it was about a ship that
19:23
Speaker 1: went across and was filled with elegant people and a
19:27
Speaker 1: very uptied American guy who had just gotten married and
19:31
Speaker 1: this was his honeymoon, and he was on this boat
19:33
Speaker 1: going from Southampton, from Bombay to Southampton. The he had
19:37
Speaker 1: taken his wife to see something in India and now
19:41
Speaker 1: they were heading back to England and she was English
19:44
Speaker 1: and they were going from Bombay back to England. And
19:51
Speaker 1: during the course of that he's haunted by a ghost
19:54
Speaker 1: on the ship, which involves a mystery and a plot
19:57
Speaker 1: and all kinds of funny stuff, and the ghost of
19:59
Speaker 1: the woman who is, you know, like an American actress
20:03
Speaker 1: type who died accidentally, and she introduces sex and passion
20:09
Speaker 1: and fun and danger and all kinds of things into
20:12
Speaker 1: this guy's life. And I thought, after the success of
20:18
Speaker 1: Silver Streak and the success of Foul Play, I thought,
20:25
Speaker 1: this is the perfect time to tell that kind of
20:27
Speaker 1: romantic story. So I had an idea, and I went
20:30
Speaker 1: and I told her to a producer named Stephen Friedman
20:36
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and he had produced and had had
20:39
Speaker 1: some terrific success with a movie called The Last Picture Show.
20:44
Speaker 1: And I told him my story and he read my
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Speaker 1: script and he loved it and the option of the screenplay,
20:50
Speaker 1: and he took me to Warner Brothers and I saw
20:54
Speaker 1: the head of Warner Brothers and I said, I have
20:56
Speaker 1: this idea and my dream is to have Gene Wilder
20:58
Speaker 1: in it. And the head of Oneer Brothers loved the
21:01
Speaker 1: screenplay he read. He said, you know that's I think
21:04
Speaker 1: Gene is perfect. Port Jean was filming for them. I
21:07
Speaker 1: believe a movie in Paris called The Lady in Red
21:13
Speaker 1: and and and and these guys, the head of Warner
21:17
Speaker 1: Brothers spoke to Jean told him the idea. Jeane asked
21:21
Speaker 1: them to send the script right away to Paris and
21:24
Speaker 1: he would read it. He liked the idea. He read
21:27
Speaker 1: it and said he really liked it and he wanted it.
21:29
Speaker 1: He had some ideas and some notes, and he asked
21:32
Speaker 1: me to come to Paris and he would tell me
21:34
Speaker 1: about them. And I thought, oh Jesus, I'm going to
21:38
Speaker 1: go to Paris somebody else's time. I'm going to spend
21:42
Speaker 1: time with a Geene wither And and he's gonna tell
21:45
Speaker 1: me what he wants in my script? What what is
21:48
Speaker 1: better than that? And so I, of course I took
21:51
Speaker 1: the deal and I said, yeah, let's do it. Absolutely.
21:53
Speaker 1: So I flew to Paris. Jeane got me a room
21:57
Speaker 1: in the hotel he was staying and he was directing
22:00
Speaker 1: this movie, so he was working every day, but every
22:04
Speaker 1: day or evening, you know, he invited it, either invited
22:07
Speaker 1: me to the set, which was wonderful, or then we'd
22:10
Speaker 1: come back to the hotel and we'd sit down and
22:12
Speaker 1: we talk about the script. And it was it was
22:16
Speaker 1: a great time. I really I had incredible respect for
22:19
Speaker 1: the guy. He was so knowledgeable about movies, about storytelling.
22:24
Speaker 1: He was really truly consummate artist. And I felt that
22:30
Speaker 1: I was learning a lot. I felt like, you know,
22:33
Speaker 1: sitting at the foot of Yoda, you know, go, okay,
22:36
Speaker 1: what a great idea that is. And even at one
22:39
Speaker 1: point got Goldiehillan on the phone and spoke to her
22:42
Speaker 1: and put me on the phone too, and said, you
22:45
Speaker 1: know that he thought she would be great for this
22:47
Speaker 1: movie and he was working on it and he wanted
22:49
Speaker 1: to fix the character for her, and she said she
22:52
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to read it when he was happy with it.
22:55
Speaker 1: So it was a terrific time and I was very
22:59
Speaker 1: very for and very very lucky, and we spent a
23:03
Speaker 1: lot of time. He really Gene introduced me to white
23:08
Speaker 1: wine called censer and caviar, and he absolutely loved getting
23:14
Speaker 1: a couple of buckets with ice and and and the
23:17
Speaker 1: wine and then a ton of of caviar and crackers
23:25
Speaker 1: and toasts. And we'd sat there and we and we
23:28
Speaker 1: just talk up a storm and it was great. It
23:32
Speaker 1: actually it reminded me a lot. I guess one of
23:36
Speaker 1: the reasons I connected with him. I'm sharing this little
23:40
Speaker 1: into it moment. It reminded me of my dad. My
23:44
Speaker 1: father was a world class chess player, and he was
23:47
Speaker 1: one of the great chess players, an American chess player.
23:50
Speaker 1: He was a California champion for a while. He was.
23:53
Speaker 1: He was really good, and in fact, my mother became
23:55
Speaker 1: what they call a chest widow, and it led to
23:58
Speaker 1: their divorce, and and so he was. But my happiest
24:03
Speaker 1: times that I remember my dad was sitting there late
24:05
Speaker 1: at night when it was just the two of us
24:08
Speaker 1: and the chessboard, and we would talk about and laugh,
24:11
Speaker 1: and we'd have pots of coffee and we'd have a
24:15
Speaker 1: holla and the halla with some fresh butter and dipping
24:18
Speaker 1: it into the coffee and playing chess and talking about
24:22
Speaker 1: famous chess games. They were some of the happiest times
24:25
Speaker 1: that I'd ever had. And it suddenly felt like I
24:27
Speaker 1: was doing the same thing with Gene Wilder. It was.
24:30
Speaker 1: It was wonderful. So we did this incredible job, and
24:33
Speaker 1: it was he made the script better. There is no
24:36
Speaker 1: question in my mind that's that Gene Wilder made the
24:41
Speaker 1: script a better script. I came back to La thrilled
24:46
Speaker 1: and delighted and it was going to work on the
24:49
Speaker 1: rest of his notes. And I had a producer who
24:53
Speaker 1: I was very fond of and I liked him a lot,
24:56
Speaker 1: and he had done a great movie with The Last
24:58
Speaker 1: Picture Show. But you know, in this business, which it's
25:04
Speaker 1: a lot about politics, and it's a lot about how
25:08
Speaker 1: you navigate dealings with people, and I was not that
25:13
Speaker 1: experience and not that ware of, you know, moving up
25:16
Speaker 1: in class and with the bigger into the bigger world
25:19
Speaker 1: with how to deal with it. So my producer said,
25:24
Speaker 1: you know, don't do that change, make this change, and
25:26
Speaker 1: do this and that, and I goes, Geene didn't ask
25:29
Speaker 1: me to do that, and he said, no, no, this is
25:31
Speaker 1: going to make the film better. Everybody wants to have
25:33
Speaker 1: their own hand. That's the toughest thing about the life
25:36
Speaker 1: of a writer is that once you get into the
25:39
Speaker 1: actual you've sold the script and you're basically doing fixes
25:42
Speaker 1: on it. Once you got into it, other people basically
25:45
Speaker 1: own it and they tell you what they want and
25:48
Speaker 1: you try to argue and intellectually explain why it doesn't work,
25:53
Speaker 1: why you feel it's a mistake to go a certain direction.
25:57
Speaker 1: But you don't always win, and you have to learn
26:00
Speaker 1: to accept that, which I have spent my life doing that.
26:03
Speaker 1: And that's the life of a writer. And I want
26:05
Speaker 1: to talk to people about that when they come to
26:08
Speaker 1: my website, which is right on my hat Holly.
26:12
Speaker 3: For those listening on the podcast, now, I got to
26:14
Speaker 3: ask you, as much as you are a writer, you
26:16
Speaker 3: were an actor as well, and who is your inspirational
26:19
Speaker 3: actor growing up that inspired you?
26:22
Speaker 1: Well, I think when you talk about inspiration from my
26:25
Speaker 1: generation and the people who are become major stars in
26:32
Speaker 1: from my generation, and you're talking about Scarsece and Cameron
26:36
Speaker 1: and Spielberg and all of these guys, we all start
26:39
Speaker 1: from the They'll all tell you we all started from
26:42
Speaker 1: the very same thing. Citizen Kane period, end of story.
26:47
Speaker 1: We are in this business because of Orson Wells. We
26:50
Speaker 1: are doing what we do. We have lived the life
26:52
Speaker 1: we live because of Borson Wells and some kind of
26:57
Speaker 1: and Citizen Kane. We we knew the minute, although we
27:01
Speaker 1: didn't understand why, we knew when we were watching it
27:04
Speaker 1: at the age of eight, ten, twelve years old. We
27:08
Speaker 1: knew this was greatness. We knew this was special, We
27:12
Speaker 1: knew this was different. We knew from everything we had
27:16
Speaker 1: been watching in those days on television and wherever we
27:20
Speaker 1: go in a movie theater, we knew this was unlike
27:23
Speaker 1: anything we had seen, and we all gobbled movies up,
27:28
Speaker 1: those of us who love movies, gobbled every movie we
27:30
Speaker 1: could see, and went to see everything we could see.
27:34
Speaker 1: We knew and we couldn't explain why we knew this thing.
27:38
Speaker 1: Citizen Kane was something else that changed the language of film.
27:44
Speaker 1: So I think that when we talk about or I
27:48
Speaker 1: talk about it, I would say that the thing that
27:52
Speaker 1: got me started, a thing that really made me give
27:55
Speaker 1: my life and dedicate my life to film. It was
27:59
Speaker 1: or some Wells and Susan Kane. I felt him to
28:01
Speaker 1: be an extraordinary actor, obviously one of the great voices
28:06
Speaker 1: of all time, and a visionary beyond belief and and
28:10
Speaker 1: and and and absolutely fearless worker who when he knows
28:18
Speaker 1: and he felt that he was right about something, he
28:21
Speaker 1: did whatever he had to do to achieve that vision.
28:24
Speaker 1: And so uh so Orson was really my basic uh
28:29
Speaker 1: an incident that started everything for me, and and Orson
28:33
Speaker 1: was my lead guy after that. Then you start, you know,
28:36
Speaker 1: you talk about when I'm growing up, you're talking about
28:39
Speaker 1: Laurence Olivier and you and we see him and have
28:41
Speaker 1: let me go, and we see him Richard theremy go,
28:43
Speaker 1: oh my god. That's what acting is all about. And
28:46
Speaker 1: then you start seeing some of the wonderful actors playing
28:49
Speaker 1: the characters of popular culture. And then you get Bogart
28:53
Speaker 1: and you get people like that. These are the people
28:55
Speaker 1: we grow up on, and these are the movies that
28:58
Speaker 1: we we that change our lives, you know. Interestingly enough,
29:03
Speaker 1: I mean a small little side step since we're talking
29:06
Speaker 1: about the world of movies, which I will which I
29:09
Speaker 1: want people to come to my website and not only
29:11
Speaker 1: talk about my books and talk about black Son, but
29:14
Speaker 1: I want, you know, I want them to also talk
29:16
Speaker 1: about that. I want to help writers around the world,
29:19
Speaker 1: and i'd want to talk about movies and how to
29:21
Speaker 1: help them write better movies, because I think there are
29:24
Speaker 1: a lot of wonderful writers that are out there. But
29:27
Speaker 1: I remembered as a kid that I had seen a
29:29
Speaker 1: movie that I knew I liked very much. I'm not
29:32
Speaker 1: exactly sure then why I liked it so much. I'm
29:36
Speaker 1: just bringing this up because it's interesting. Because I realized
29:40
Speaker 1: our ideas are shaped of what's right and wrong, what's
29:46
Speaker 1: good and bad? What are heroes and not heroes? They're
29:52
Speaker 1: shaped when they're kids very much by literature and by
29:55
Speaker 1: the literature of pop culture, which are movies. They You know,
30:00
Speaker 1: movies are more important to the life of an American
30:03
Speaker 1: kid than people realize. Other countries didn't have the tradition
30:10
Speaker 1: and part of their lifestyle of going to the movies
30:13
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. Americans did, and so we used movies.
30:19
Speaker 1: There was our date every Saturday night most of the
30:21
Speaker 1: time when we were young, and when we wanted to
30:24
Speaker 1: fill time. When television was becoming popular, what they can
30:27
Speaker 1: get a hold of mostly was old movies, and they
30:30
Speaker 1: could put those up on the screen and they could
30:33
Speaker 1: eat time, and they could sell commercials. So watching movies
30:38
Speaker 1: was what we did, and that's how we'd learned so much.
30:41
Speaker 1: It really was an incredible learning tool, and it shaped
30:45
Speaker 1: what we thought was right and wrong. We shaped our
30:47
Speaker 1: ideas of Euros. I feel so lucky that what I
30:52
Speaker 1: get to see when I was a kid was movies
30:55
Speaker 1: that had these wonderfully stars in it, and I had
31:00
Speaker 1: these wonderful storylines in it. What people saw in UH
31:05
Speaker 1: today and what and what these writers have grown up
31:09
Speaker 1: on are superheroes and comic book heroes. It's a very
31:13
Speaker 1: different world that we that we lived in, and I
31:17
Speaker 1: felt very lucky. So I've you know, I've been watching
31:20
Speaker 1: and getting some of the old movies that I missed
31:22
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. I've been buying them lately
31:25
Speaker 1: so I can look at him again and say, that's
31:27
Speaker 1: why I like that movie because it really taught me
31:30
Speaker 1: something about that lifestyle, and I think that's really important.
31:33
Speaker 1: Movies are a tool that we can use.
31:36
Speaker 2: Throughout our lives, recording and progress. All right.
31:39
Speaker 3: For my video audience, I just want to get people
31:42
Speaker 3: introduced to Bob Bors. He is the man behind You
31:45
Speaker 3: can see the hollywordmedia dot com, Hollywoodmedia dot com, and
31:49
Speaker 3: if you've been listening to all of this great content
31:52
Speaker 3: and great conversation, I want to base my next question
31:56
Speaker 3: off of it. You created Hollywoodmedia dot Com because you
32:01
Speaker 3: were inspired as a kid. Now you want to aspire
32:03
Speaker 3: others that are younger and coming up in the business,
32:06
Speaker 3: if you.
32:06
Speaker 1: Will, am I right, Well, that's true. I look the
32:10
Speaker 1: what happened during the Writer's Guild strike, and everybody knows
32:13
Speaker 1: about the recent writers guill strike was I couldn't talk
32:16
Speaker 1: to people about screenplayers. So you know, I am a
32:22
Speaker 1: Writer's Guild of America award winning screenwriter for Best TV
32:26
Speaker 1: Mini Series when I wrote a thing called Blood Feud
32:30
Speaker 1: about Bobby Kennedy and President Kennedy and their war on
32:34
Speaker 1: organized crime. So I so I've written co written a book,
32:41
Speaker 1: and then I ended up writing the script of my book.
32:43
Speaker 1: And the mini series was very successful, and I won
32:46
Speaker 1: the Writer's Guild Award for that mini series. It was
32:48
Speaker 1: Emmy nominated, and so forth and so and with a
32:52
Speaker 1: great performance by the actor Robert Blake who played Jimmy Hoffer.
32:57
Speaker 1: So but I I've always been a member of the Guild.
33:02
Speaker 1: And during the strike, we could not talk to anybody,
33:05
Speaker 1: and I realized it was going to be a long strike.
33:07
Speaker 1: But we were not allowed to talk to anybody about screenplay.
33:10
Speaker 1: So I decided, well, why didn't I go back to
33:12
Speaker 1: writing what I started out with, which is novels. So
33:17
Speaker 1: I sat down and I started to work on what
33:20
Speaker 1: I'm experienced in, which is an adventure and action and thrillers.
33:27
Speaker 1: And like I did the first draft to Air Force one,
33:30
Speaker 1: I decided to do the hijacking of a plane and
33:33
Speaker 1: I went to tell the story of the hijacking of
33:36
Speaker 1: the Because I have friends in the Air Force, I
33:38
Speaker 1: decided to tell the story of the hijacking of a superplane,
33:43
Speaker 1: which is the greatest new bomber that's being created, and
33:46
Speaker 1: it is it's beyond belief what it's capable of and
33:49
Speaker 1: what it can do, and it is a weapon that
33:51
Speaker 1: will change the world. And I suddenly realized, you know,
33:55
Speaker 1: during the course of their hijacking, the bad guys try
33:58
Speaker 1: to steal it, and I go, Okay, what am I
34:03
Speaker 1: going to do? And so I have a guy who's
34:05
Speaker 1: in charge of security, who's an ex Navy seal. But
34:09
Speaker 1: I realized the plane, if it's the greatest plane ever built,
34:12
Speaker 1: it would also have the greatest artificial intelligence ever created.
34:16
Speaker 1: So I basically decided to put together uh artificial intelligence
34:21
Speaker 1: and and and my and my human the security guy,
34:26
Speaker 1: and they both defeat the bad guys very quickly. And
34:30
Speaker 1: then I go like, well, where do I go now
34:32
Speaker 1: with the story? I'm stuck. And I suddenly realized, wait
34:35
Speaker 1: a minute, the protocol for AI is and and what
34:39
Speaker 1: they all would it's everybody who admits it would be
34:43
Speaker 1: is that they're designed and in this case that this
34:46
Speaker 1: AI was designed to protect this plane at all costs.
34:51
Speaker 1: So the AI decides to seize the plane and take
34:54
Speaker 1: it over, and and and then, and it says, one
34:58
Speaker 1: thing this hijacking is to even though we defeated them,
35:02
Speaker 1: it has taught me that humans are incapable of protecting
35:04
Speaker 1: this airplane. Therefore, I will protect it. All the weapons,
35:08
Speaker 1: all the flying, everything will be done by me. And
35:12
Speaker 1: when the Pentagon sends up people to find out what
35:14
Speaker 1: the hell is going on up there, the AI sees
35:18
Speaker 1: there are planes that basically the F twenty two Raptors
35:22
Speaker 1: sees them as being hostile, and he blows them out
35:25
Speaker 1: of the sky. And now we've got a rogue, runaway
35:29
Speaker 1: AI seizing the greatest warplane ever built by man and
35:33
Speaker 1: threatening the entire world. I thought this was a great story,
35:36
Speaker 1: and I wrote the book and it was. It was
35:40
Speaker 1: very It's a bit successful. It started to build an audience,
35:46
Speaker 1: and I'm in talks and hopefully soon we'll be able
35:50
Speaker 1: to announce that. I've talked to some people about the
35:53
Speaker 1: possibility of turning it into a major motion picture. So
35:57
Speaker 1: I've decided to build a website which basically is going
36:02
Speaker 1: to have my books. The books I want to do
36:04
Speaker 1: for the future. But more importantly, I want to get
36:07
Speaker 1: back to writers because I know what this world of
36:10
Speaker 1: movie making and writing and what it's like, and I
36:14
Speaker 1: want to share that. And I can't make the people
36:17
Speaker 1: out there who come and become part of a hollywoodmedia
36:20
Speaker 1: dot com. I can't make them great writers, but I
36:24
Speaker 1: can make them better than what they are right now,
36:26
Speaker 1: and I can help them improve their scripts and their
36:29
Speaker 1: stories and their books or whatever they want to write.
36:32
Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk to writers. I want to
36:34
Speaker 1: provide services. I want to be a mentor to writers
36:39
Speaker 1: and help them in a way that I think only
36:43
Speaker 1: I can because I've seen all of it. And in fact,
36:46
Speaker 1: one of the things I've decided to do, I'm going
36:48
Speaker 1: to I'm building an author's website now solely about my
36:52
Speaker 1: books and screenplays. But what I'm going to do is,
36:55
Speaker 1: if this deal comes through and I am going to
36:59
Speaker 1: turn this into a mar motion picture, I'm going to
37:02
Speaker 1: have a podcast every day and basically about sixty seconds
37:08
Speaker 1: or a minute and a half, and every day I'm
37:11
Speaker 1: going to talk to people that I want them to
37:12
Speaker 1: come and they will be able to hear what a
37:15
Speaker 1: writer does every single day. To turn a novel into
37:20
Speaker 1: a screenplay and the and I will let them follow
37:24
Speaker 1: me and follow everything I do and see the work
37:27
Speaker 1: how it's done, and how they deal with the actors,
37:30
Speaker 1: the producers and the directors and all of that, and
37:33
Speaker 1: how the story has to change. And I think it
37:36
Speaker 1: will be a great learning curve for people. And I
37:39
Speaker 1: will report on it every day for sixty seconds. So
37:41
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to be the sixty second masterclass of
37:44
Speaker 1: movie making. And you can come to us every single
37:47
Speaker 1: day and see how it goes. And I'll take you
37:50
Speaker 1: right through to the first day of shooting, through and
37:53
Speaker 1: through the shooting of the movie.
37:54
Speaker 2: And as the podcast goes, I highly recommend.
37:57
Speaker 1: You I lost your voice there? Did I do your voice?
38:01
Speaker 3: And as the podcast goes and grows, I highly recommend
38:04
Speaker 3: you bring on Limnuel Miranda, who is a masterclass as well.
38:07
Speaker 3: I mean, the guy wrote Hamilton. He's celebrating ten years
38:11
Speaker 3: on Broadway.
38:12
Speaker 1: He would be great. I would love to interview him.
38:14
Speaker 1: I'd love to have him talk about it. I'm going
38:17
Speaker 1: to bring together I've got a wonderful group of executive
38:20
Speaker 1: advisors who are on the executive committee are major players
38:24
Speaker 1: in the industry. So if you come to join our
38:27
Speaker 1: club and join Hollywoodmedia dot Com, then your material at
38:33
Speaker 1: some point at least I can say, I can't guarantee
38:36
Speaker 1: that anything will happen, but I'll be able to put
38:38
Speaker 1: your material in front of people who are workers in
38:41
Speaker 1: the industry.
38:42
Speaker 3: All right, Like most writers do, you have that paper
38:44
Speaker 3: and pen by you overnight, middle of the night, every
38:47
Speaker 3: minute of the day.
38:50
Speaker 1: Well, I've the way I do it. If you read
38:53
Speaker 1: about writers, they all have a different pattern and a
38:56
Speaker 1: different way they do things. I write every day. I
38:59
Speaker 1: do several hours in the morning and several hours in
39:02
Speaker 1: the afternoon, and then I stop, and then I kind
39:06
Speaker 1: of sleep at weird hours, and then I'm usually up.
39:09
Speaker 1: My body clock wakes me up around two o'clock in
39:13
Speaker 1: the morning. It's just been its way for years and years.
39:17
Speaker 1: It wakes me up at two o'clock in the morning.
39:19
Speaker 1: I have a cup of coffee, I relax a bit,
39:21
Speaker 1: and then I go and sit down and I work again.
39:24
Speaker 1: So I'm writing every day, and I can say for
39:27
Speaker 1: almost fifty years I've written almost every day. I think
39:31
Speaker 1: that's part of what the job of a writer is.
39:34
Speaker 1: Whether you write or not, you should at least put
39:38
Speaker 1: yourself in front of your computer or in front of
39:40
Speaker 1: a blank piece of paper at a certain time every day,
39:45
Speaker 1: even if it's just for fifteen minutes or twenty minutes,
39:47
Speaker 1: and try to write something. If you've got a story
39:50
Speaker 1: that you're working on, to play with it. If you've
39:52
Speaker 1: got a story that you're not sure about, and you've
39:54
Speaker 1: got a couple ideas, write a couple of lines. But
39:57
Speaker 1: give yourself a chance to do something every day, because
40:00
Speaker 1: you've got to exercise that creative muscle every single day.
40:05
Speaker 1: I think that's important. So I spend a lot of
40:08
Speaker 1: my time writing. I think a lot of time because
40:11
Speaker 1: I like to do things that are based on history.
40:13
Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time researching, and I will
40:15
Speaker 1: teach people the tricks to re searching. And the other
40:19
Speaker 1: thing I think that I can do that nobody else
40:20
Speaker 1: can do really well is that I have always written
40:24
Speaker 1: stories that are based on history and actual events. And
40:28
Speaker 1: I think by doing that, you create you can work
40:33
Speaker 1: on characters that are inspired by real people that really
40:36
Speaker 1: did things. And if you look at the people who
40:39
Speaker 1: won Oscars in the last ten years or more, I
40:42
Speaker 1: would think almost every single one of them, almost all
40:45
Speaker 1: of them is because they played real people. Take a
40:49
Speaker 1: look at it, you know, the King's speech boom, Churchill boom,
40:54
Speaker 1: oppenheim Er boom. I mean, need I go on the dollar,
41:00
Speaker 1: A virus club or whatever it was where mcconoy why
41:05
Speaker 1: actors now? Back back in the eighties, nineties or early
41:10
Speaker 1: two thousands, actors knew that they changed their price, their
41:14
Speaker 1: quote by doing an action movie. Do an action movie,
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Speaker 1: and tomorrow the next day, if it's a hit, you
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Speaker 1: suddenly go from three million dollars to twenty million dollars.
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Speaker 1: The thing that changes everybody now is the glory and
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Speaker 1: the pride and the honor of playing real people. And
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Speaker 1: all these actors now are all looking because they know
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Speaker 1: that's the shortest route to a gold globe, to an oscar,
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Speaker 1: to a red carpet ceremony. The quickest route is a
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Speaker 1: real person, a real story. And I'm very good at that.
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Speaker 1: I've won awards for doing that, and I know how
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Speaker 1: to tell those stories and how to do that research.
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Speaker 1: I think I can be a great help and help
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Speaker 1: to teach people how to do that, because that's what
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Speaker 1: people actors and producers and networks and the Amazons of
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Speaker 1: the world want today are to attract talent, and the
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Speaker 1: way you attract talent is give them a historical role
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Speaker 1: to play.
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, on that note, I want to leave
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Speaker 3: it right here because we're gonna pick it up soon
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Speaker 3: enough with your big news that you've been talking me
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Speaker 3: about that hopefully comes to rution.
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Speaker 2: Please break it with me on the one leg up Networker.
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Speaker 2: I would love to hear the progress of the Black Sun.
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Speaker 1: I will do that. Black Son is available on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: You should go take a look at my website and
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Speaker 1: see the new video I have for or if you're
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Speaker 1: going to show it, or if you have the new
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Speaker 1: video I have for black Son, which I really like.
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Speaker 1: And I think black Son is a wonderful thriller and
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Speaker 1: I want people to take a look at that see
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Speaker 1: how a guy who writes history also writes thrillers and
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Speaker 1: why you can do the same. And I'll help you do.
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Speaker 3: It, all right, And Lucas Aferra says hello, So we'll
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Speaker 3: have to share them this episode.
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Speaker 1: Also, please do send my best to Lucas. And I
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Speaker 1: think you guys have been my lucky charm and I'm
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Speaker 1: happy to have had a chance to work with you both.
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Speaker 1: You guys are.
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Speaker 3: Great Amen Well, thanks so much, Bob Boris, hollywordmedia dot com.
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Speaker 2: It's on the hat, it's on the website, hollywordmedia dot com.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining the one Like up network.
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Speaker 1: Thanks my friend