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Tourette Syndrome Interview Autism Vs Tourettes · Aspergers & Autism Podcast [The Aspie World] AuDHD

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  You have arrived. Welcome to the Aspy world.
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  Here's where we talk about anything and everything ASD in
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  an upbeat and informative way. And now here's your man on the
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  spectrum, your autism ambassador, Daniel Morgan Jones.
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  Let's go, guys. What is going on?
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  Oh my goodness, it's so good to be back doing podcasts with
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  people I really already know because it's so much calmer,
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  right? So today my lovely guest is the
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  awesome, the Netflix famous comedian and all around Internet
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  influencer. Because look, Doctor Mike,
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  right? Like you're in pretty much all
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  his videos. So it's Pamela Schuler.
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  I hope I said that right, Right. He did Schuler like Mueller.
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  Schuler like Mueller, right? But you didn't get a day off.
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  Like what? What?
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  I need a day off and. We all need a day off.
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  Yeah, You're going to go to Mike's house and, like, move in,
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  right? That's your good day off.
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  So if anybody doesn't know, right, what the hell we're
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  talking about is Pamela and I, we met, oh, God, about five
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  years ago, 2019. Oh, my goodness.
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  Four years ago. Five years ago for what was it
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  called? Link 20.
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  What was this thing called? It was at MIT, but I don't
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  remember the. Yeah, just do.
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  Just do. That sounds way better.
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  Yeah, we were. Yeah.
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  We went to MIT together. What?
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  I'm going to say, you know, we're alumni.
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  You know what I mean? Well, we're some kind of alumni
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  from MIT. Anyway, we hung out at MIT and
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  we literally had no idea what we were doing for like 10 days.
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  And we goofed about. And then we got some kind of
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  weird qualification, a bit of it.
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  It was great. And we had a load of free food.
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  The food was great. Nothing makes me happier than an
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  open like drink bar with coffees and seltzers and sodas.
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  And that's like the unlimited beverages is my favorite thing.
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  The hype was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
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  And, and they I think what, what else did we do?
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  We went on like a couple of fields that went to like the,
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  the Google place, right? We went to the Google and they
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  gave us they gave us food. It was, it was great.
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  I think the coolest part was the people we met.
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  That was it for me because I'm still friends with so many of
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  the the crew from there. Yeah, exactly.
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  Like especially Ben, do you remember Bench?
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  Is it Shepherd, the guy who was running the, he was the MIT guy
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  from ESPN. He's do social media ESPN.
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  Well, anyway, he he was one of the lecturers.
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  He was the main guy. Come on, Papa.
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  Yeah, yeah. So I like I I talked to him
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  pretty. He he quoted on my book, right.
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  The guy's a ledge. I love the guy because he's just
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  as much of A social media in it as me.
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  So I was like, oh, man, he's a good guy.
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  And also, do you remember we we we had a lecture from her name
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  was Courtney. I can't remember her last name.
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  She has C2 management. She did like management for
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  yeah, yeah. So what's really funny, me and
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  Alex, Alex Waltz, right? And James Rath, we were in LA
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  doing Vidcon and we were get we were in this like crazy like
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  celebrity party and Jay Shetty and and Courtney were there.
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  She was like, dude, I was like, holy shit.
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  Like we're all like, like, wait, what's going on?
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  Like, and it was just great because we just like, it was
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  just great. It was like an impromptu MIT
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  meet up. Anyway, it was so good.
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  And yeah, and yeah, it's just so much.
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  And I think so many of of the alumni from there are in LA now.
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  So this time I'm going back, it's going to it's going to be
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  sick. Emily Ledoux's in New York.
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  We've got a few. We've got a good mix.
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  But like James did his little, his not a little.
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  It was cool. He did ATV like a series, docu
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  series that I was a part of. I've seen in touch with a bunch
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  of the people. Yeah, I think we did have a
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  group chat at one point, but I I think I I don't know if I still
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  have it on my fault. But anyway, but like, you know,
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  most of the people, I think we follow each other on socials and
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  it's like just dead cool to keep up with you because it's like at
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  least we're all doing crazy shit.
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  So that's the background of me having a Pamela know each other
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  and we rode on a on a big kind of like canoe thing, right The
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  we did. And rowing, yeah, it's just like
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  a not the best idea to put all of us with different
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  disabilities in a rowboat. And I've never left.
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  I don't. I think I laughed so hard I was
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  crying like, I have threats. I'm 4 foot 6 1/2 between all of
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  us. Like we had James, who's blind,
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  who was like, don't guys, I'll. Steer Angel has one arm.
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  We're like, it's like OK, Angel has like a robotic arm, like
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  which side are we going on? Like and she had that cool
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  thing. She had that like the ring
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  thing. I was like dude, like she just
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  kicked ass. I was like sweating.
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  She was like not even breaking a sweat.
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  I was. Like, oh, I love doing it, but
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  I'm a little too short for it and it kept knocking me
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  backwards. But again, we like we leaned
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  into how funny it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I don't. I don't think I've ever laughed
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  as hard as that night on that. It was like because we had a BBQ
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  at the end of it, right? You what?
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  We had a BBQ at the end of it, remember?
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  Like there was a BBQ when we had those feet.
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  Tell you what, nobody told us how heavy those boats would be.
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  We had to carry them ourselves. Oh, I didn't help.
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  Oh, Princess. Flipping Pamela anyway, but yes,
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  so Pamela, I invited Pamela onto the show because not only is she
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  like super funny and brilliant and beautiful, Pamela also has
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  stress syndrome, which she she spoke about, which is one of the
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  most interesting conditions. And Pamela, my first question
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  right is, is, is Tourette A neurological condition?
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  Like, yeah, is that what class does right?
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  Neurological. It's neurological disorder and
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  it means that that people do movements and noises that are
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  uncontrollable, that we call tics TICS, not TICKS.
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  Those are bugs but I don't want. But we all.
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  It all looks different for all of us.
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  So not everyone yells bad words, which is what like South Park
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  likes you to think. After every about 5 people with
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  threats, only one has an additional diagnosis of yelling
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  words or phrases. But all of us do uncontrollable
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  and repetitive movements and noises.
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  I have done that before. Oh man, that's interesting you
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  you said repetitive movements and noises.
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  So with autism, right? I have, so I have ticks, I have
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  to actually medication helps. The medication I'm on actually
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  helps reduce the amount because my ticks are kind of like
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  nervous, I forget like super, super nervous.
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  And what's really interesting is that autistic individuals will
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  do things repetitively a lot of the time.
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  So I have like a lot of repetitive things that I do and,
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  and that's really interesting. Do you think there's like a a
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  crossover there between those types of behaviours and like
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  neurodevelopmental issues and autism?
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  I do, I have a number of friends who are autistic and we get to
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  compare and contrast and there's a bunch of things that we both
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  do. It just feels like it comes from
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  different reasons, if that makes sense.
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  Like Tourette's lives in a different part of the brain.
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  So Tourette's is more closely related to Parkinson's than
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  other things, at least from my reading.
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  But I'm not a doctor, so who really knows?
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  Get my comaphone, ask him quick. Questions for me all the time.
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  I have a few doctor friends who regularly receive pictures that
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  I find on the Internet of just like diagnosis and so definitely
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  overlap. But I also, a lot of people with
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  threats have an, it's an umbrella disorder, so we have
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  other things. So like, I also have obsessive
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  compulsive disorder. There's a lot of overlap there,
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  yeah. Dude, that's like super
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  interesting because like so within autism you have all of
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  these like the you have these comorbid Co occurring
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  conditions, right? And it's kind of like you never
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  really no, no one ever goes like, hey, so you're only
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  awesome spectrum and that's it. That's not that's not the only
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  badge you carry, kind of like with the treadsome, right, But
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  really interesting. You know, somebody asked me the
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  other day. They said and I did it.
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  I think I did it on a TikTok in in a reply, somebody said, what
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  is the worst like issue? Like, you know, of all the
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  issues you have, what's the worst thing?
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  What is it? Something relates awesome, blah,
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  blah, blah. I said by far the worst thing is
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  having OCD because especially for an autistic person, right,
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  just from and then I'm going to ask, I'm going to get into this
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  right now. The reason I'm saying is because
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  you have OCD is something that you have to do because you
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  believe that if you don't do it, something excessively terrible
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  is going to happen. You have this catastrophic
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  fantasy, right? And with autism and repetitive
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  behavior or autistic OCD, you do things in a repetitive way
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  because you get enjoyment from those things like the Mario
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  Kondo thing, right? You do the things you get
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  enjoyment of them. You feel spark.
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  But I despise, I actually never use this word, so apologize.
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  I hate this is what I never used.
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  I hate OCD with a passion like it's, it's like a it's like a
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  vine that grows in your head. It's like a disease.
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  It's horrible and it's the most debilitating part of my
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  conditions of all of them. It is so, so talk to me about
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  OCD. What's your OCD like?
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  What's your experience with it? If you're OK, if you're
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  comfortable, talk about. That oh, I'm an open book.
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  So I like to say that at any given time, one of the two is in
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  the driver's seat. Either Tourette's is in the
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  driver's seat or OCD is in the driver's seat.
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  And sometimes they work together.
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  I have plenty of jokes about how they're best friends.
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  Twins, yeah. Oh my gosh.
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  Or like, or sometimes it works in my favorite one of my
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  favorite stories is I was coming back from a show alone at New
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  York Penn Station at 3:00 in the morning and you don't want to
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  make eye contact with anyone at any o'clock in the day.
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  New York Penn Station. And I accidentally made eye
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  contact with the with the gentleman.
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  And because I have Tourettes I winked at him and he like
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  started walking towards me and then OCD kicked in and I winked
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  at him 44 more times and he like turned around and walked away
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  and I was like Oh my God OCD for the assist I was going.
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  To say, yeah, that just won, yeah.
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  He was like, even that's too weird for me and he pieced out,
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  which I appreciate. But I OCD when it's bad, it is a
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  a struggle and I have a great team of people in my world to
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  help manage it. I've got, you know, great
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  psychiatrist, psychologist, neurologist, all the all of
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  them. So.
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  I I pull in help when I need it. That's really interesting.
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  How do you how do you find like because on a on a day-to-day
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  basis, the OCD like I, I try my best.
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  I'm working with a therapist right now and it's amazing.
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  She's got ADHD. Our sessions are just absolutely
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  off the chance but like because ADHD and oxen I.
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  Think about OCD but you end painting a ceiling.
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  Yeah, dude, we, we, you know, we were both in a different country
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  by the end of the conversation, right?
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  But yeah, you know, and it was like, what the fuck?
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  Honestly, the amount of like digression in those sessions,
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  honestly, we, we booked it. It's supposed to be like 1/2 an
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  hour session, but they end up being like an hour and a half
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  because of all the bullshit. We'd Anyway, she's a lovely
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  woman, but she's ADHD and it's amazing.
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  So she's so she's working with me at the moment to kind of help
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  come over some of the big ones I have and like some of the big
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  ones I have are like are like the specific, this is the worst
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  one, right? I got to say the worst one.
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  So, and it happened from trauma, right?
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  I remember I was taking a shower when I in the first apt I was
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  in, I was taking a shower in the apartment.
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  I had a music blessing because like, you know, when you're
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  living in London, you're like, yeah, so I have music playing.
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  I was in the shower and then I come out of the shower and like
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  everything's great. And then I, I make myself like
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  a, a sausage sandwich, you know, very British.
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  And then I get this like, yeah, it's amazing.
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  And then I get this, I get this like phone call from my
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  girlfriend's mother saying unfortunately her father had
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  just dropped dead. And I was like, oh, shoot.
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  So I was like, damn. Anyway, So then every time I
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  went to go for a shower after this, I can't listen to music.
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  Right. But then what happens with the
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  OCD is that it, it's not only I can't listen to music, I Can't
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  Sing in the shower and I can't listen to music in my head with
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  OCD, mate. And awesome echolalia.
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  I'm just like, there's always a song in my head, right?
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  So I'm like, I'm scared to go into the shower.
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  It's like holy, not like I shower every single day, but I'm
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  just saying going through the shower comes the task.
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  So to me like that, how debilitating would that be,
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  right? If you think I can't even shower
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  after having a run because I'm scared that it's going to kill
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  my family members, right? Like it's enough and it sounds
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  crazy. You say it out loud and you're
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  like. Not to someone else with OCD.
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  Yeah, exactly right. I like the idea.
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  Yeah. You know what I mean?
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  Like it sounds when you say it to yourself, you're like, I'm
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  insane. But you're not right?
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  You're just, you're battling with this, like this, this, I
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  don't know, It's like a power struggle, right?
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  When I was a kid, OCD. So when when I was a kid I had a
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  very severe case of Tourette's. I still have a severe case but
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  it's less noticeable to everyone else at this point.
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  I feel it constantly often hurts but it's not as noticeable as a
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  kid. Like broke my neck from throwing
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  my head back. Was out of school for years and
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  OCD was just as bad And as a like in middle school I used to
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  set an alarm clock for every hour in the night as a kid to
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  smell the carpet to see if there was a fire.
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  I used to wake up in the middle of the night and walk around my
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  home, call house and check every doorknob to see if there was a
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  fire. I had a real fear of axe
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  murders. I don't even mean the way to
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  murder people anymore, but I had and it wasn't murders.
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  Was you a fireman? Yeah, it was like, specifically
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  axe murders. And so like every night, I would
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  open my door and yell, I see you.
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  I'm calling the police because I believed that if there was an
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  axe murderer who heard me say that, they'd be like, this would
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  be scattering the little girl. One saw me.
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  I got to go. I got to not do a murder.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I get it. It makes so much sense.
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  But you know what's crazy? Like it, it's scary how I
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  totally get that. I'm like, yeah, yeah, dude, like
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  I'm with you all the way. Because like, it makes sense.
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  Like I'm like, yeah, man, you stay away.
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  I'll come and shout down the hallway, you know, one of the
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  ones that I think it, it's OK when you're in like your home,
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  right? Like going in and out of the
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  shower and doing all this stuff. But like one of my worst ones is
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  I like to run 5 kilometers or 6 kilometers.
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  Otherwise in miles, like 3-4 miles, I don't know.
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  And when I'm running, when I come off the sidewalk onto the
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  road and then back on, I have to use like left right foot first
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  and left foot back on. But some sort of messes up.
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  Yeah, but, and then, but then it like, and then I have to go back
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  to the start and then I go, well, how far back do I go?
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  And then I'm like, honestly, dude, like so a 20 minute run
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  could take me a couple of hours easy.
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  And I'm like, and people look at you like, what is this guy
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  doing? You know, all these people like,
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  I don't know, Mr. Jones is walking his dog.
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  He's like, what are you doing, man?
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  I'm like, yeah. And you panic because you feel
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  like you look like an idiot, right?
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  And so I think being and, and, you know, having public, having
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  issues that you have when you're out in public, you can't control
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  and you'll know exactly. You know, it's probably the most
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  like, you die a little bit inside, don't you?
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  Yeah, I just did a keynote about how what I sometimes bark from
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  Tourette's and how barking taught me everything I need to
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  know about fear. Because it was so scary to just
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  be in public for so many years with the fear of barking or
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  barking in public, and how that changed my perception of the
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  world. And now I've leaned into it.
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  If I'm going to bark, I'm going to bark.
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  But it was like a whole journey of kind of embracing the fear
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  around just being myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And you got you got to just kind of go.
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  I always call it the John Tucker theory, right?
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  Have you seen John Tucker Must Die in that movie?
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  OK, so there's a part of the movie where this the girl,
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  because he's sleeping with all those girls, right?
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  And they're all trying to get their own background.
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  He's a nice looking dude and but he's a bit of a jock, right?
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  Or he's a typical Chad. So they're like, oh, we're going
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  to get rid of all his underwear and replace it with girl thongs,
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  right? Like, you know, really tight
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  panties. And so he goes the only thing,
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  so he's wearing these panties and he goes to basketball
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  practice and all the dudes are like, yeah, and there are all
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  the dudes like, dude, like, why the hell are you wearing
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  panties? And I'm trying to embarrass him.
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  And then he's like, dude, these are giving me so much more
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  freedom to play basketball. Like you need to get yourself a
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  better. And then all the dudes just
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  like, OK, well, this guy makes sense.
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  You have to own it. You have to embrace it.
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  It's got the John Tucker syndrome.
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  That's what I call it anyway. And you're absolutely right.
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  That's the only way to deal with it, Right.
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  OK, so two things because I got a second question.
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  But something really interesting.
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  I back in my sleep also which is really interesting and I I don't
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  even know what like I've always done.
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  And I love that if we first of all the two of us hanging out,
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  we somehow are like mirrored but the same.
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  Like what the fuck? Like, you know, it's funny.
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  Like like ex girlfriends, like you were barking and you sleep.
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  I'm like, oh, weird. It's like I swear I'm not a well
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  wolf. Like I swear.
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  Like was it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah. So you like it?
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  You. Know so yesterday nobody sat in
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  the front row, which is so normal and I'm not like I'm I do
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  typical stand up, but this was like comedy and storytelling
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  about inclusion and mental health, which is really how I
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  make a living at this point. I do companies and schools and
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  everything, but nobody's in the front row.
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  And without even thinking about it, I said I bark, but I don't
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  bite. Dude, like I bet their reaction
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  was a bit like like. A number of them, usually before
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  so I. Think yeah, yeah, they were
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  scared of you, like jumping down to the stage, just taking a
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  chunk out of the D. Russian.
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  I'm not going to bark and then bite you.
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  Although here's the deal. Yeah, it.
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  Depends. I might Might.
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  Yeah, it depends. Don't piss me off, but it's it's
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  funny, like the backing thing, like and then so I just kind of
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  like adopted it something I do. And so like, especially when
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  like like, like, like current government was like, yeah,
• 17:00
  you're backing in your sleep. And I'm like, yeah, what the
• 17:03
  heck, I do, yeah. Yeah.
• 17:07
  Yeah, it's thumbs up. The Love Hot 1's pretty cool,
• 17:09
  right? It's like, can you do it?
• 17:18
  Amazing. That was so cool.
• 17:20
  OK, so my my question is how does Tourette's impact your live
• 17:27
  performances or if at all? It does and it's kind of
• 17:32
  different. So one of the things with
• 17:34
  Tourette's is it's constantly, for me at least, shifting and
• 17:36
  evolving. So I might have one tick for a
• 17:38
  week or a month and then it changes.
• 17:41
  And so little things like I request a hands free microphone
• 17:44
  if my set is longer than 10 minutes because my hands tick
• 17:47
  more than any other part of my body.
• 17:48
  They're constantly I, I haven't held a pen or pencil in 25
• 17:52
  years, so I'll often hold a mic in the Crest of my hand or like
• 17:55
  in this Crest of my arm if they don't have one for me.
• 17:59
  Sometimes stress effects my breathing because it right like
• 18:02
  the way I talk and breathe. And so I when that's a tick
• 18:06
  that's happening, I will get dizzy mid state, like mid show.
• 18:09
  If I'm doing, I do like an hour 15.
• 18:11
  So you know, 40 minute. No one wants to hear me talk
• 18:15
  that long, truly. What do you beat yourself up?
• 18:19
  My family will constantly be like, we don't understand why
• 18:21
  people pay you to talk. We have to listen to it.
• 18:23
  And I was like exactly. I get the same argument.
• 18:26
  Honestly. Tell me about.
• 18:28
  It so it's like kind of it's always shifting sometimes.
• 18:33
  Well, I always wear like good flat shoes on stage because
• 18:36
  otherwise I will weeble wobble and I will fall down.
• 18:39
  But it's always shifting and I kind of have to like, look at
• 18:43
  what shows are that week and what Tourette's is doing and
• 18:45
  come up with a game plan. Geez.
• 18:47
  So you have to evolve with it, right?
• 18:49
  Like it's a yeah, yeah. That's why I think I'm so
• 18:52
  innovative and creative cuz I'm doing it just to live in my own
• 18:55
  world and then my career too. Dude, that's so clever.
• 19:00
  I think. You know, like I don't have like
• 19:03
  none of my ticks present themselves.
• 19:05
  Like I've never been on stage and had a tick, right?
• 19:08
  And I guess like the ticks that come with like autism are very
• 19:10
  like few and far between. And it's kind of rare, right?
• 19:13
  But when you're dealing with on a daily basis, like you must be
• 19:16
  able to just think like, OK, what's what I'm going to do to
• 19:17
  to overcome this or I'm going to so you make your own systems,
• 19:20
  right? Yeah, and I tick, you might not
• 19:22
  see it a ton on zip. I'm ticking at least every
• 19:25
  second. I mean, it's it is something
• 19:27
  that my body is ticking constantly.
• 19:30
  And so yeah, I have to like kind of name it, be honest with it
• 19:34
  and then come up with a game plan.
• 19:36
  But I like, yeah, that's a lot. And it's hard.
• 19:40
  And it's like sometimes my body really is hurts or is tired or
• 19:43
  even in pain, which I just said hurts.
• 19:45
  So twice I said that. But sometimes I have to like get
• 19:49
  really a lot. I get creative, but that
• 19:51
  translates into my world and like I have a whole living now
• 19:54
  as a creative human because I think I would kind of meet the
• 19:58
  world where it is, just like I have to meet myself where it is.
• 20:00
  Does that make sense? Yeah, 100% because it's like.
• 20:03
  Because it wasn't succinct, but. Rather than being something like
• 20:06
  your life each go. Well, look, these are the caps
• 20:07
  I'm dealt. This is my life.
• 20:08
  This is who I am, right? I'm gonna do it just like me.
• 20:10
  I can't. Sorry, go ahead.
• 20:12
  No, no, please. That's I have a master's in
• 20:15
  advocacy and what I work with communities I like, I'll often
• 20:18
  do a show and then workshop. So with companies, I'll do
• 20:20
  training and, and, or like summer camps, I'll work with
• 20:22
  summer camp staff. And a lot of what I talk about
• 20:24
  is how we can use creativity to meet people where they are
• 20:27
  because every single person is so incredibly different.
• 20:29
  And so creativity is about trying two or three things.
• 20:32
  And if it doesn't work, trying three more until we can set that
• 20:35
  person up for success, which is what I do.
• 20:38
  You like split testing the, the, the, the hacks, right Hello.
• 20:46
  I think it's, I think it's really interesting because like,
• 20:49
  you know, a lot of people will like, and I have this thing I
• 20:51
  say like, you know, God has put you on this earth for a reason,
• 20:55
  right? You're here for a reason, right?
• 20:55
  And, and you have a, a thing to follow through with, right?
• 20:58
  You have a plan. And so life is happening for
• 21:01
  you. It's not happening to you.
• 21:02
  You know, there's a reason why that, you know you have ticks.
• 21:04
  There's a reason why my brain is a bit messed up sometimes
• 21:06
  because we're supposed to learn from this, right?
• 21:09
  Because like in school you learn and then you take a test, but
• 21:11
  God gives you a test and then you learn, right?
• 21:12
  Like that's how I view the universe, right?
• 21:14
  And I'm like, oh, damn. So I always think to myself,
• 21:17
  like, you can never really beat yourself up too much and be
• 21:20
  like, oh, you know, I feel like I just go, OK, what are the
• 21:22
  cards I've got? You know, like, let's go play
• 21:24
  Uno, man. If I got a reverse card today.
• 21:25
  You don't, you never know. I'm like, I like.
• 21:28
  That. Yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of
• 21:30
  like it's the, it's the thing that keeps me going, right?
• 21:32
  It's having faith in that. And when people say faith, I
• 21:33
  think that's what they truly mean.
• 21:34
  It's like knowing that there's a bigger purpose to you, right?
• 21:37
  And I think that's a really cool thing to remember.
• 21:39
  Yeah. And.
• 21:40
  That for everything that makes life harder, it also adds
• 21:42
  something to my world when I allow it to.
• 21:45
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like it, it can, yeah.
• 21:48
  Because like you said, oh, it's evolving, it's changing.
• 21:50
  It's it's dynamic. Like there's so many things and,
• 21:53
  and people learn from you from doing it.
• 21:54
  Maybe that's the point, you know, who knows?
• 21:56
  But I think not like not beating yourself up about the things
• 22:00
  that you believe or you perceive them could potentially be
• 22:03
  detrimental to an average person, right?
• 22:05
  But who the Hell's average? You know what I mean?
• 22:07
  Like average is boring anyway. I'd rather be.
• 22:08
  Extraordinary matter of how much you hide it.
• 22:11
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody's weird.
• 22:13
  Are they axe murderers everywhere?
• 22:14
  You know I'm joking. I'm.
• 22:15
  Joking how much you believe they aren't weird.
• 22:17
  Oh that scares me. What are you hiding?
• 22:21
  Yeah, yeah, I'm totally normal. Get him out like.
• 22:24
  Yeah, yeah. It's so true that that guy would
• 22:28
  own an axe. Like that's where it comes.
• 22:30
  From right, that's the axe murderer.
• 22:31
  Yeah, exactly. It's the finance bro.
• 22:35
  Yeah, yeah, Carl from Finance, like quick get security on the
• 22:39
  phone. Carl's hot.
• 22:41
  Take it back. All right.
• 22:43
  OK. Yeah, No, I know it, John from
• 22:46
  finance. There you go.
• 22:47
  There we go. That one's like a you know,
• 22:49
  everyone's a John. Literally John Doe.
• 22:51
  Peterson from finance, you know, he's got a fishing boat.
• 22:55
  He goes on the weekends, you know, down the Hudson.
• 22:58
  Oh, fishing, but. Yeah, exactly.
• 22:59
  It's where he disposes the bodies of my gumspeak instead.
• 23:02
  Now I'm joking the Mr. Bowman now Anyway, the I totally got on
• 23:06
  a tangent of a bullshit Pamela. The question that every the
• 23:09
  world has an ellipse. Second question, First question
• 23:12
  everyone's Why are you so short? Now I'm joking.
• 23:14
  The second I'm joking, I'm joking I.
• 23:16
  Love the child just asked me that.
• 23:18
  The one next door she goes, why are you so short?
• 23:20
  And I said I forgot to grow. No, she actually asked you.
• 23:23
  Some people asked you that. I was only joking.
• 23:24
  She has. Mean questions.
• 23:26
  Yeah, it sounds like somebody needs to put some spicy candy
• 23:29
  through the door. You know what I'm saying?
• 23:32
  Die. You need to purchase an axe.
• 23:34
  And I'm joking. I'm joking, by the way.
• 23:35
  I'm not condoning murder or anything like that.
• 23:37
  Anyway, I'm on it, man. You know, the question is, did
• 23:42
  you find a date on Netflix? So for those who don't know, I
• 23:48
  was on Netflix's Jewish Matchmaking.
• 23:51
  I did not audition to be on a Netflix reality dating show.
• 23:55
  The matchmaker and someone else from the team saw me perform in
• 23:57
  LA years ago and asked me to do this.
• 24:01
  And I went out on a date with a gentleman named Stuart.
• 24:04
  And I did not find love, but I found a a friendship and a good
• 24:09
  time and I learned a lot about myself.
• 24:11
  Oh, that sounds like one of those.
• 24:13
  And I found pride in dating with a disability on Netflix, on a
• 24:16
  show that wasn't about just dating people with the same
• 24:18
  disability. Interesting yeah, because
• 24:21
  there's AI know a few people who are on a show called love on the
• 24:24
  spectrum and and that's yeah well, I've got a lot to say now
• 24:28
  we don't look at that, but yeah, but but that's just people on
• 24:30
  the spectrum, right, which is kind of like to me it's like
• 24:32
  chicken chicken fights, right. You're just putting chickens in
• 24:35
  a cage and they're gonna fight you put 2 the same disability
• 24:37
  you know like why did why is the broader view here?
• 24:40
  You know, and no offense, I love each and everyone of you guys,
• 24:42
  but you know, it's. Also like just because I've
• 24:44
  Tourettes doesn't mean I only take only one.
• 24:47
  Exactly. Probably shouldn't date someone
• 24:49
  with Tourette's because we. Banging heads, yeah.
• 24:52
  Yeah I would. So many jokes about.
• 24:55
  I dated a guy with cerebral palsy and gosh we like both,
• 24:58
  broke our noses the first time we tried to kiss fuck's.
• 25:03
  Sake. I'm sorry, everybody, I'm
• 25:05
  joking. This is Pam.
• 25:06
  She's amazing. You have to check out her
• 25:07
  social. How?
• 25:08
  How can people find you online? Like where?
• 25:10
  Where do you? Where can people find your
• 25:12
  content? Great question.
• 25:13
  They can find me stalking you because I love everything you
• 25:16
  do. But they can also find me at
• 25:19
  Pamela. Comedy is my Instagram and
• 25:22
  TikTok and my website ispamelacomedy.com.
• 25:25
  Oh nice, I can actually link everything down below.
• 25:27
  So I'm on YouTube watching this I'll link it down below, but
• 25:29
  anybody on the other socials I will link her handles down below
• 25:32
  as you just follow through. We just.
• 25:33
  I think I used to. It's awful Pamela comedy, but
• 25:35
  truly I don't remember right now.
• 25:38
  I don't know. The last video I saw about you
• 25:40
  on YouTube was you were doing some of the document taste
• 25:42
  testing, something I think or you would, I don't know.
• 25:44
  You do look a challenge with Mike and I was like these two
• 25:47
  goons there. Was definitely yes, we were the
• 25:48
  Vitamix one. We were he.
• 25:50
  I had to figure out what he made it and what was store bought.
• 25:53
  Yeah, that was it. That was it.
• 25:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was really interesting.
• 25:56
  But yeah, Mike, what a hell of a guy.
• 25:58
  Anyway, so you got any plans to do any more stuff with Netflix
• 26:01
  or is that just like a one off thing?
• 26:04
  Stay tuned. I love it.
• 26:07
  I love it, man. The tea is real, man.
• 26:09
  I love it. OK, well, look, if you fancy
• 26:12
  coming to LA for a couple of days, I'm there in June, in
• 26:15
  June, the end of June for Vidcon.
• 26:16
  I'm talking at Vidcon. So we're going to come and hang
• 26:18
  out. Me and Alex going to be there,
• 26:19
  and I think I'm going to hang out with Angel.
• 26:21
  And maybe I can't remember his name.
• 26:27
  Now. Why don't remember his name?
• 26:29
  Our friend who's blind. James Rath.
• 26:31
  James Rath. What the fuck?
• 26:33
  Sorry, James. If you listen to this.
• 26:34
  If I don't go to this, will you all just still send me videos of
• 26:37
  you having fun without me so I can pretend like I was there?
• 26:39
  Sure, naked selfies. Are they cool?
• 26:43
  Exactly what I wanted. Yeah.
• 26:44
  There you go. I would like videos, please.
• 26:46
  It's Vidcon. Thank you.
• 26:47
  Yeah. It's true.
• 26:48
  It's true. We can get, yeah, we're gonna
• 26:49
  have high production value as well, right?
• 26:51
  Because, like, it's videographer galore.
• 26:53
  So yeah, we'll get something somewhere, you know, in a hotel
• 26:55
  room, you know, really seedy, you know, but high production
• 26:57
  costs. Thank you so much.
• 27:00
  Have a great pleasure. Of course.
• 27:01
  Oh my gosh, we're gonna get the tanning days and everything
• 27:04
  done. You know, he's so good.
• 27:05
  You know, we like check out James Rath.
• 27:07
  Like you've never seen him before, you know, nor is he.
• 27:09
  I'm joking, James, I love you. It's so funny.
• 27:12
  He he got Apple vision pro and Alex was like, dude, you can't
• 27:16
  even see like, what are you doing?
• 27:18
  He's like. He's a brilliant style.
• 27:21
  James is amazing. Everyone there was so much
• 27:24
  cooler than I'll ever be, and I think that was my favorite part
• 27:27
  of it. No, dude, I swear.
• 27:28
  You know what, I think two things I had two observations
• 27:31
  from from my MIT trip. The first one was that everybody
• 27:34
  was hot balloons, balloons, man. The first one, everybody was
• 27:37
  hot, right? We were all good looking dudes
• 27:39
  and chicks and like it was a good looking team.
• 27:41
  And I thought, hey, they selected us on purpose to be
• 27:44
  nice looking, right? It's true.
• 27:46
  Come on, like think about it, right.
• 27:48
  And then and then the second thing was that everyone was cool
• 27:51
  as fuck. Like nobody was, there was
• 27:53
  nobody inferior, superior. We were all like, like, like
• 27:56
  head of a game, you know, I was like.
• 27:57
  Yeah, those things were a good time.
• 27:59
  I if that was like a really fun chunk of time in in our life,
• 28:03
  Yeah. Like, yeah, I love it.
• 28:06
  And like, I think I'll always, like, I always carry at me
• 28:08
  because I'm always like, oh, you know, sometimes I think to
• 28:11
  myself, like, am I doing the right thing?
• 28:12
  Is my work, you know, working? Am I helping people improve
• 28:15
  their lives? And I'm thinking back to that
• 28:16
  time when we were there and then in MIT, they were like, you're
• 28:18
  all here because you do something impactful to people,
• 28:19
  right? And I'm like, oh, shit.
• 28:20
  Because we went through a crazy intense interview process,
• 28:22
  remember? Yeah.
• 28:23
  Because it was a free program at MIT, if you got in, it was it
• 28:26
  was the pilot year. So they paid for travel, hotel,
• 28:29
  meals, everything. Awesome.
• 28:31
  Dude the scholarship alone was like 80 grand, do you know that?
• 28:34
  No. Wow, that's bonkers.
• 28:37
  Like, that's great, serious. But like, yeah, the Ryderman
• 28:40
  Foundation are amazing. Like Jay Ryderman, Like I still
• 28:42
  have him on like, Twitter and Instagram.
• 28:44
  I'm like, what a guy, What a guy.
• 28:47
  And his wife was hot as hell. What?
• 28:49
  I can't remember. What was her name?
• 28:51
  I can't remember her name now. Missus Ruderman.
• 28:54
  Missus Ruderman. No, I don't know.
• 28:58
  I don't remember offhand. And I feel bad now.
• 28:59
  Oh, I'm going to feel bad when this comes out.
• 29:01
  But she's lovely. I I've met her more than I've
• 29:03
  met them. She is amazing, like what a
• 29:05
  woman and like just this powerhouse, you know, it's like
• 29:08
  really like beautiful. That woman comes in like, yeah,
• 29:10
  you know, we're going to do this program MOT.
• 29:11
  I'm like, oh, Gee, I I felt inferior that I was like, you
• 29:14
  know, who is this person? But it was great.
• 29:16
  It was a great time and very blessed to have had that
• 29:19
  experience and to share that time with you guys, you know,
• 29:21
  like it was great, man. What a good bunch of people.
• 29:24
  I think we'll be in each other's lives forever, which is kind of
• 29:26
  nice to meet forever people. Something like that, yeah.
• 29:29
  That oh, do not that that is it. That's for me.
• 29:32
  That's life. OK, so I'm going to fly to New
• 29:33
  York at one point in the next couple of months.
• 29:35
  So I'm going to I'll keep you post.
• 29:36
  I'll I'll text you and just tell you when I'm going to be in that
• 29:40
  part of the world of North America, and then we can hang
• 29:42
  out. Pamela Shalom, Mother Trucker.
• 29:47
  Thank you for having me, this has been really fun.
• 29:49
  You're the best. It's my pleasure.
• 29:50
  Thank you so much, dude. Hey guys, thank you so much for
• 29:53
  checking out this podcast. Make sure you are subscribed
• 29:56
  because there are people listening right now who not
• 29:57
  subscribe to this podcast. I can see you.
• 30:00
  Make sure you subscribe. OK guys, See you in the next
• 30:02
  one. Peace.