Latest / Ageless and Timeless Podcast® / Dr Neil Paulvin, Functional Medicine, Integrative Sports Medicine, Regenerative medicine, Osteopathic Manipulation and Craniosacral Therapy

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Dr Neil Paulvin, Functional Medicine, Integrative Sports Medicine, Regenerative medicine, Osteopathic Manipulation and Craniosacral Therapy · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes at Ageless and Timeless. Today I
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have a very special guest. I know I say that every week where we
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produce, and I always have very special guests. But today my guest is
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doctor Neil Paul and he's a functional medicine integrated medicine. I mean, he
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has so many different specialties that he's going to talk to us about today.
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But he's located in New York in Manhattan. Is that right, Neil?
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Is it? Yes, downtown Okay, So anyone that's in the East Coast
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and close to New York is physically he can see you. But he also
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will do telemedicine and he's very very active in the functional medicine world. So
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we're going to hear all about that. So good morning Neil, and welcome
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to Ageless and Timelys. Thanks for having me, well, thanks for ham
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and I'm looking forward to it, you know. And you know the interesting
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thing is when I started researching, I always research all my guests, but
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you know, I look at their Google, I look at their all all
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of their social media and so so. So doctor Paulvin has his own podcast
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and it's called Life Optimized and so I just want people to know I'm giving
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you a little plug, Neil, but I want people to know that because
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I started listening to his podcast and I learned so much just by some of
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the ones he does with guests and some he does just solo to give the
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listeners information that is very valuable. So anyone that wants to follow up after
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seeing this podcast, uh, definitely look at doctor Neil Paulvin and Life Optimized
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podcasts. Okay, so we're going to jump in, h Neil, Doctor
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Paulvin tells us, how how did you get to where you are today with
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all these incredible credentials that you have. Tell us where you began and how
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you got so passionate about being in this world of functional medicine. Who are
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Yeah? I mean I appreciate the plug as well. So for me,
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it's a lot of like a lot of doctors who jump into the especially like
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the functional in the greatest space, is that they either have a personal or
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family story that kind of led them down the rabbit hole. And that same
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with me. I was having headaches starting in med school. Nobody knew where
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they what the deal was. I tried every prescription medication and that was horror
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that didn't work, even more side effects. And then I found acupuncture and
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manipulation and cranious sacral and I mean so ona and supplements a couple of summons
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that really helped, and I kind of like at that point, I was
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in a lot of family in sports medicine, I was had a lot of
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patients either with pain or headaches that traditional things weren't happening or given side effects.
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So I'm like, let me check out acupuncture and let me check out
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these different types of natural injections and functional then became functional medicine, which begat
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like puropean stem cell. And I think once you're in, you're kind of
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and once you see how well it works a lot of times, you kind
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of just keep wanting to kind of keep going learning more and more. And
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I would like, again, I would like when I hear something new,
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I always want to learn how to do it for myself and help my patients
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that way, because I know if I'm trying to do something, I know
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that it's done within the whole regime. So I kind of like part of
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it just a love for learning. A lot of it. It became trying
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to help my patients and myself. So when you made the transition, were
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there doctors that you were affiliated with that were in the allopathic world that were
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curious about your transition or were they more after serial about you leaving the traditional
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medical world and moving over to the more functional, integrative world. I mean
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doctors I worked with were never adversarial about it. I mean either they're apathetic,
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they just didn't they said you decay. They either would be like,
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go see Paulvin. That was the line. And a couple of the users
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I would work at, we know it helps people, but we don't know
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what it is. And that literally patients tell me that. That's how the
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other docs and that refer in the group I was working with with a multi
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specialty group would say just go see Paulvin. And a lot of them,
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though, embrace it again once they see something works and helps their patient,
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they're like, okay, great, I mean I may not again with medicine.
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And I guess at any job, if you get from A to B,
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it doesn't matter how you get from A to B as long as it
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works and it's not going to hurt somebody. So it's more the people who
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again, now you see it more with like social media, people who are
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trying to like get likes and whatever. That you see more things become more
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aversarial. But I think that's gotten worse now than it did even ten to
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fifteen years ago when I started. And so did you ever figure out what
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the cause of your head were and what was the cure? I mean,
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the main thing is it was a combination of a little bit of I needed
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some detox and also diet changes, and then the last part was I am
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probably the least flexible person on the planet, and a lot of it was
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postural and structural. I mean, I'm literally if I don't either do my
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own mobility work or I still work with a massage person and a physical therapist
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probably once a month to really kind of get me to help myself out with
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the headaches and the way I feel. So, but I'm glad to have
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found the main cause right, right, And a lot of times it's stress
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too, right, because you're going through medical school and you're practicing medicine,
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and you probably had years and years of humulative stress that caught up with you,
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and you know, representing the headaches were probably a combination of your microbion
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the detox that you mentioned and your structural your posture and the stress. Yes,
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just plays the part in me. It definitely an issue there as well.
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So let's talk a little bit about how you are different than other doctors,
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even within the functional and integrative space. And when I asked that question,
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part of my reasoning is that when you look at your specialties, you
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have so much broader knowledge and a practice that than even some of the best
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functional medicine doctors I've met over the years. So I'd be very curious to
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know how did you get to be so good. It's so many things that
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you are able to treat patients, like cranial sacral is one you know that
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you do. So why don't you just tell us about each of your specialties
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and how you treat people within those those particular specialties. Sure, yeah,
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I mean I started doing like I said, I did a lot of sports
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medicine and natural pain work. So I did that kind of Again, I
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back then there really wasn't what's available now twenty wow, twenty years ago.
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Dating myself a little bit here, So I did a creative sacral which I
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mean again, I acupuncture, dry needling, We did tuggar points, both
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traditional and with natural substances from for pure when remember something called tramal to again
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to PRP, to peptides to now stem cells, and again it goes down.
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It just keeps going and again I pain because of my headaches. Like
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I said, when I see patients from all over the country now kind of
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all over the world who have pain and go to seventeen different I call them
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like the seven inch folder people. When we had old school medical folders,
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I saw so many doctors and I had no answers. I feel it's my
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job to kind of guide them either. I tell my pains on their tour
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guide to getting help, because they just when you get told noes in your
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head, you're crazy. So many times I feel motivated to help them,
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especially in certain issues like that. So that was all my pain training and
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then a lot of the functional medicine training. Again. I got my initial
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function medicine certification and then I did a regender medicine certification, so and so
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that's kind of it just builds up over time. You need to learn more
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and you want again to help patients as much you can. And patients even
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then but even more now they want their doctor to do almost more everything at
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one stop. They don't want to if they don't see seven doctors, they
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don't want to see seven doctors. So I try to learn as much as
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I can, I mean in terms of how I can help them. And
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then yeah, if I guess, I'm a tour guide. So if they
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need to see somebody who does something in their disc or specifically a neuro neurologist
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that does things I don't do, that's fine as well. But again,
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I think your goal is to help patients as much as you can. And
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so what would you who would you say without naming names as the patient,
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but what situation would you say has presented one of your biggest challenges in terms
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of solving the patient's problem and then you know, making sure that that patient
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moved on to healthy living. I mean it's a couple, I mean I
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could think. I mean, it was one older, like long time ago
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patient who again had pain for maybe double digit years. I'd seen numerous doctors,
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including like the Mayo Clinic and Harvard and so on and so forth,
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and the way a lot of times what happened they saw me is I have
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what I call the safety deposit box method, meaning you got to turn all
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the key sometimes at the same time. So it wasn't just Okay, I'm
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going to give you a shot out of steroids or a shot of this.
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It was working on their posture kind of what happened with me, working on
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their gut health, calming their diet down and doing some injections and doing some
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cranyo sacral. Doing that all together at the same time was kind of the
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magic key to get them back to their life. So it was that type
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of situation where it was just like you said, I have so many different
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tools in my toolbox. I can put all the different pieces together. I
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can make a much better recipe than other docs who only do one thing.
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I know what to do and how to put them together in the right amount
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and when. And then I had somebody, a couple of patients recently who
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one especially was pretty well known. And again it comes down to again,
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it was more fatigue brain fog situation, and those are the toughest ones because
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those could be one hundred and two hundred different things. And just by again
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step wise and combining a couple of different procedures, including some PEP dyes,
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which I become much more expert with it during this time helped them out and
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again they were unable to really work and do what they used to do on
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a very well large basis. They were kind of working with twenty five percent
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and they now they're back at full at full bore. So seeing those types
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of situations with pustants are kind of have lost their have lost their way to
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a certain extent. Now they're back to where they back to normalst great.
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So that's kind of the without naming names, are going to many specifics right.
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about these powerful methods. What is What are the conditions which create the kind
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of challenge that looks like it may be unsolvable, but step by step you
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are addressing in a multifaceted way. Actually because when you look at the the
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root causes. You just mentioned three of the microbiome, the what we see,
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you mentioned the posture, the same things that were in your in your
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situation. It's not like it's not like this is some kind of mystery.
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Usually you break it up into the pieces, right, and then you exactly
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one. So you keep mentioning peptidze And we've had several guests on you know,
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in the last past year who are using peptides. I use them myself
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and found them to be amazing. But tell us more about which peptides you
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like and what ones and what you apply them. For sure, I'm they're
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probably I mean there's probably three. I would say you're kind of really apropos
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here. I mean most of them know who if they know they have peptid
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no BBC one fifty seven drive from gut a stomach acid. It's just the
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it does a lot of things so well injection and orally, and even we
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use at ivy so helpful. I love something called SS thirty one or I
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might see which are both mitochondrial peptides that both have organ improvement things with heart,
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liver, things like that, as well as anti aging and a lot
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of things are linked to mitochondria's function. And then a new one that I
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really love that I kind of went in a little later in some people's call
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is CMAX, which is the nosepray in most cases, which really helps as
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an atropic as well as helping people with anxiety and get and cognition. So
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I found that works really well, and it's great beause it's the nose spray.
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So I have certain patients who don't like injections where it fit perfectly.
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So those are probably three that kind of or get the five stars. And
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what about the copper peptides is c JC twelve ninety five, DC twelve ninety
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five. I like I am. I use it in a lot of my
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patients. I find that for me personally that it's I explained, I explained
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the patients is I don't. It's not a home run for everybody, like
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I pay to do it and say, well, I got absolutely nothing.
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And I have pains who say, like the best thing since sliced bread.
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So I do use that. I use it in combination with some other one
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that I mentioned, but I I don't use it as much as other people
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do. I do use it in a lot of patients though, But it's
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something that's using an an on because with so many things out there now.
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But I always want patients is look, I want to give you something that's
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going to be a home run. I want something that gives you the most
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bang for the buck. So, but I always curious, because everybody's biochemically
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different. I wonder why, if you've been you have you probably asked this
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question, why is it that some patients get such great results and it's so
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efficacious and others experience no results or minimal results. What do you think is
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the difference that causes that to happen? Oh, I mean that's a whole
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long conversation there. I'm just trying to I mean there's about five main I
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mean, maybe taking away quality of the product to begin with, it's really
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going to be the way. The first thing is the way I say,
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I have a lot of cheesy, a lot of kind of like first grade
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analogies. I mean, if patients are already ninety five percent full and they're
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not really deficient in terms of relating things to growth hormone, they're not going
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to know as much as somebody who's really has barely like a quarter of a
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tank left. So that's one again, genetics is always going to be part
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of it. And then also the dosing is also a lot of times I
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find a lot of people the dosing is so varied and patients either they're not
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taking the right dose or a lot of patients aren't taking at the right time,
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or the thing that becomes especially if the growth of peptides are like CGC
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and sermarillan, is that you get what they call tachyphylaxis number one, mean
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that you're by it, gets used to it. So I paid coming I've
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been on CDC for a year now, I'm like, yeah, it's not
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going to work just your buybles of tolerance to it. You need to cycle
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it and stop it, start and stop it. So sometimes it's it's just
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how they're using it and the other thing again whether the medical issues they have,
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what the peptide's using with it, and so on. But the big
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ones I could think of the top of my head. Now, that's a
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that's a very good response. And this is something that I think is repetitive
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in a lot of different categories that when your body stop starts getting lazy,
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particularly with hormones. You know your body stops says okay, I'm getting this,
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you know, artificially or externally. Why should I keep making it like
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when you're thyroid or your DHA or any of those you know, the hormones.
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So I think it takes a doctor like you who is extremely sensitive to
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all of those elements of the variability and the individuality of the patient to be
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able to help them with the dosing, like when should you stop taking samarell
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and as an example, and to let your body rest and make it start
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making its own And is there a way for your body to make its own
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growth hormone human growth hormone if you give it that opportunity with a little stimulus
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from the peptide, but then rest on the peptide. Is that is that
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something that you feel comfortable with people in helping them well and trying to have
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them do things on their own to booth growth hormone so that they know that,
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you know, don't rely just on the external and because your body is
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going to get lazy and stop doing its job. So you know, how
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do you how do you as a doctor? It was, you know,
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so many different patients know when to tell people to dose differently or to dose
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you know, to particularly when they say something's not working for them anymore.
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Yeah, No, I mean I I do a couple different ways. As
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I mean is I use that patients of that ahead of time so they understand,
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they know what to look for. So they may tell me two months,
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and they may tell me three months in their four months and that they're
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hey, I'm plateauing. That's number one. And then I said, part
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of my whole when I discuss anything with the patients, it still comes down
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to the foundation things like exercise and sleep, which and this is apropos because
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if you're not exercising, doing lifting heavy things and getting deep sleep, you
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can take all the PEP gides you want or the external growth home when you
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want, your levels are still going to be Look, that's when your body
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needs to make it. So it's kind of a and let them understand ahead
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of time and be let them understand you can't. More is not always better.
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I think that's become especially in our society now, more to sascon more
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PEP guides, more whatever, and sometimes doing the simple things and taking a
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break is better than doing a lot of things. Yeah, So like in
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my case, I have been very sensitive to the awareness of that, am
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I making too much? I mean, am I depending too much on the
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external? So I am very athletic, and I love working out and I
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love you know the fact that I have a high testosteron account for a woman
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so and particularly you know a woman over fifty that wants to keep that muscle
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tone. So so you know, those are the kinds of patients. I'm
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sure you see that you know have already done some things and still but just
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want to continue on the right path and not make a mistake. So you
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know, how do you guide people like that who are not sick but always
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want the highest quality of health and life that they can get? How do
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you how do you guide patients like me? I'm just using me as an
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example, but I represent I mean in general, Like I said before,
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I'm like I act like a tour guy. So again I've learned after doing
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this for a while. A it's telling patients what the shortened the long term
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plan would be and understood. So it just makes things either for everybody they
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know where we're going and what the plus and minuses are and so on.
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And then again what we try to do is we look at old labs and
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what their traditional program is, and I say, okay, this is this
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is something where the first thing is what your goals are. If your goal
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you know, you've stated clearly what your goals are. That may not be
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the number one or two goals of your best friend. They may want to
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have better sleep and energy, and it's nothing to do with in terms of
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muscle mass or anything else. And then you say, okay, so these
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are the ways that we can do this, and you again, because I
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have so many tools on my toolbox. It could be pepdides, it could
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be hormones, it could be doing some type of biohacking technique to amp your
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workout of. It could be recovery, it could be all of the above.
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And again I have thisay map out a shortened long term game plan,
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and say, okay, for the first two months, you're going to do
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this. We're going to cycle off the pep dides, so you're going to
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and then we're going to add this back in and then we take it out.
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And again it's it's kind of just being that type of tour guy.
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And again, the more especially when you know a patient is knowledgeable, you
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use that to your advantage. It's a sense of we're going to do this
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this, and that's the patients are really are pretty not just not used to
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the space at all. Then you go much slower and you kind of explain
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any the other patients who are like, look, no, I love my
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CJC, I want my CJC at least twice a year. You build that
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and make two pieces of your puzzle, and then you build around it.
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That's great about what I do is nobody's the same. And I tell it
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again, it's some one thing. I always say. What you do is
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not I It is not what your friend is going to be doing. You
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may get to the same place and feel the same, but it doesn't mean
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you're all. You're not. You may not need a or BA. It's
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really fun part of the job, I know. And I love the fact
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that you take that individual attention because there are so many examples in healthcare where
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it's kind of a one size fits all and you know, reach into your
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pocket and get a prescription pad and you know it doesn't really have the individual
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attention and customized attention that you're providing. So I can give you a lot
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of kudos for taking that kind of time when you first read a patient,
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how much time do you have to spend to get to know them? I
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mean, just on average, what's your first appointment like, Well, usually
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we do an intro call initially for a patient who wants like a comprehensive program,
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So I'll usually fifteen to thirty minutes, and then I get a whole
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bunch of information through my through my check in document, and then it's just
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an hour to hour and a half initially for most of my patients, unless
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we're doing procedures afterwards. And again at that point, I already had their
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lab work. I usually have what they're taking or ahead of time, so
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I can have a game plan. Again, I can kind of tell by
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what they're taking where they are on the spectrum. I mean, I have
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patients come in. I'm taking again five pepdides and these two subvems are heard
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from Peter Atilla, and then you kind of know where they are, whether
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they're taking like one supplement like vitamin D and you know they're on the other
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side of the spectrum. So again I kind of so it's about an hour
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an hour and a half. Yeah, you know, one question I've got
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to ask you when we were talking about BPC one fifty seven, because yes,
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you're right, that is the probably the most recognized of all the peptides.
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And however, there are two of them. One is the sub Q
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and one is the capsule, and I think you need to tell people just
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what each one does because they're different, and you don't want to be confused
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that you're taking a capsule that that's going to help with the wound care.
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So could you just give us a quick explanation of the difference between the injectible
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and the capsule. Yeah, Now at this point with this, with the
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ones that are out there now, there's not a huge disparity as much anymore.
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And it really comes down to two things as a the strains. Yes,
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the injection IV is obviously going to be stronger than the pill, and
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in addition, the pills much we're beholden to how good or bad your digestive
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system is, bet the microbioume enzymes, movement, et cetera. But I've
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now had patients to do the oral for variety of reasons and they had a
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rotator, cuff, tear, or gut issues and they've done pretty good.
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Believe it's not as one hundred percent as the injections are, so, like
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I said, it's still not a home run for some patients. But that's
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kind of the difference in terms of the strength and consistency of the medication.
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And there's a huge spectrum between there's some oil pills that do absolutely nothing and
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there's some oil pills are incredible. And if you get a BBC injection,
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that's usually going to be a home run for most people. Okay. So
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because when I first started using it, they told me, Okay, if
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you want the microbiome effect improvement, you use the capsule. If you want
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to inject right into the wound, like when I had a bad biking accident
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broke my tibia and fibula, they said, just inject right into the area
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of your ankle and you'll see that it will have some effect on the healing
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and also on theme dema that comes from having an inflammation. So that's what
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I was told, and that's what I thought you were going to say,
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But now you're saying, no, the local part is definitely true. I
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mean, like I said, I have somebody with the rotator cuff tear part
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of the program, and if they're in the office, it's going to be
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injecting them locally, but most I don't have a lot of my patients injecting
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locally, to be honest, it depends on the patient, but they do
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a SubQ injection the abdomen most of them. Now, I just kind of
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trial and error will get some very similar results. And again I achieve page
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all over the world, so that not all everybody's going able to come into
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the Manhattan every week or every two weeks and get an injection their joint or
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to whatever. So it's changed. It also BBC is pricing some of the
26:03
more. It's gotten better and better since it came out a long time ago,
26:07
so that was kind of the again the qualities greatly improved. Well,
26:12
I am so happy we've had that conversation, doctor Neil, because you know,
26:18
to try to do both it be so much. It is so much
26:22
easier just to say, Okay, I don't mind the subque I'm just going
26:26
to do the injectable that's more potent and I'll get the benefit of both the
26:30
microbione improvement and the wound healing or inflammation healing. So everybody listening please note
26:37
this because in other podcasts we've said, and I don't want people to feel
26:42
that they've been misguided, but Paulvin is updating us that you know, there's
26:49
been great improvement in that particular peptide to the point now where if you don't
26:56
mind doing injections, you're probably better off getting the subject you And if you
27:00
really are against injecting yourself, then get the capsule. And I order mine
27:07
from a company called Limitless Life. Have you heard very familiar with limited Limitless
27:14
Life? Yes? Yeah, and there are research companies so they yes,
27:21
have you used have do you use them at all? Or I have patients
27:25
use them. I've never used Limited Life now, okay, so is there
27:27
one that you would recommend for our viewers. I mean, there's so many
27:33
out there, and also depends on what state they're in a lot of cases,
27:37
the ones I use to certain state certain A lot of companies don't work
27:40
in California or even in Texas, which is a lot of my patients.
27:45
So there's not It depends on what you're looking for. It's kind of like
27:48
I don't can the good analogy, but it's not one that I recommend for
27:52
pepad to get s at all the time. There's not one I could recommend.
27:56
I mean orally, I like a company called Healthjevity or Integrated Peptides for
28:00
the oral peptides. But the injectable is it really I found this. I've
28:06
gotten down to the nuance where if I want BBC injection, I'll go to
28:08
so and so. If I want uh Testamarellan, I'm going to another company.
28:14
So it's it's not it's not a to be there, right, And
28:18
I also order from Phil Mickens. I don't know. Do you know Phil
28:22
mckens? I a s in England and now they're doing a lot of that.
28:29
They don't they They do the peptide bioregulators, which we're going to talk
28:33
about just in the moment, but they are now doing them out of India
28:37
where they apparently have a very interesting method of optimization. So are you are
28:47
you aware that that's happening. I am very aware. I'm dipping my tone
28:52
with them as we speak. Yes. So, yeah, they've gotten very
28:56
popular, very fast recently because we were the pop for bio regulators. Yeah,
29:00
yes, okay, so let's talk. As long as we're on that
29:03
subject, let's talk about the new kid on the block. Okay, as
29:06
far as peptides. So what do you think about what doctor Cabinson forty years
29:11
ago started doing in Russia and has now allowed the exporting of these peptide bioregulators
29:22
to other countries like the US. So what do you think of them and
29:27
how do you use them? I mean, I just applauded. I mean,
29:30
I mean I'm amazed, just from talking to my colleagues kind of like
29:36
it's kind of been one of those kind of under the radar things for a
29:38
while now. First of all, it's kind of gone to the fore,
29:42
and it's amazing that he does do this research. It's like forty, like
29:45
I said about over forty years ago, I mean, and built on that
29:48
showing things like improving anti aging and improving macular generation and boosting the immune system.
29:56
So I mean I think it's I mean just amazing what he was able
29:59
to do without really kind I don't mean without always knowing where he was going
30:03
or what he had. I mean, he was talking about telling me is
30:06
which was never even really mentioned till maybe what five or ten years ago,
30:10
is really an important terms of health and aging. So he was definitely ahead
30:14
of his time and just kind of aiming to help people. I mean,
30:17
I've talked to people who've known him and kind of know where his goals were,
30:21
and it wasn't like, Okay, I want to build this new cool
30:22
anti aging thing. It was to help people and treat medical illnesses. And
30:26
that's why part of why they're so good. And the question is with what
30:30
do I think about our regulators or what was the second part of the question.
30:37
Yeah, that was one question. Is you know, because they are
30:40
as a new kid on the block, so to speak, in the peptid
30:41
category, and they are all oral. So for a lot of your patients,
30:47
who are you know, fearful of injections self injecting especially they fill avoid
30:57
in that respect. But I was curious, you know, if you're using
31:00
them religiously now in your practice and what results you've seen, So just kind
31:07
of, you know, wanting to understand the landscape of your use of peptide
31:12
bioregulators. The answer would be, I love them. I've seen I've used
31:18
them in a lot of different cases. It's kind of right now is kind
31:22
of the beginning of where peptides were probably seven years ago or so five in
31:26
that it's people who are starting to get to know them, and then they're
31:32
like you can I just have a peptide for that, like this is is
31:34
a form of peptid, Like well, I just want CJC or it's there's
31:37
still kind of a language barrier and people don't know exactly how good is Plus
31:42
it is not like you said, most of them aren't injectable, so most
31:45
within injection is better. But I'm using them from everything as part of my
31:49
anti aging UH program protocols with the one that work on the finess and the
31:55
immune system like a pedal on and the thymylin and so on. The organ
32:00
specific ones I'm loving more and more, and I've talked to UH just other
32:06
people who using them credit. I love the fact the ones I've really kind
32:09
of duved into are probably three different buckets. The eye ones, I mean,
32:14
they again just take a step back. There's depending which company. All
32:17
have different names. They're all kind of the same, similar to the tow
32:21
cavists peptid. They all have different names depending on the company if you're getting
32:24
the pure ones or not. But the ones that relate to vision or I've
32:28
seen relief for Paige who have never been able to really have anything else that
32:31
worked for them. So I love the hormone ones ones either related to libido
32:38
or the ovary or test or the test for men in terms of just health
32:44
in general, like PC cyscovarian syndrome. I'm amazed and and it's great.
32:50
You can kind of combine them with a subthing like a nascetol or I can
32:52
end up peptout, you could do red light therapy. You can again,
32:57
I can pull from column and Coluin B and now starting to actually trying to
33:00
talk to a couple companies about in terms of fertility and seeing if that works.
33:07
I have a couple of people who've told me that they've seen improvement.
33:09
Again, it's hard to figure out what it's coming from. Is it from,
33:13
it's not, But I think that is really a big bucket. And
33:16
the other piece now with a lot of people doing with biological age tests and
33:22
epigene ICs, really coming to the four two since it does work on the
33:25
gene and it may improve epigenetics. Figure out if I take this bioregulator,
33:30
is my method does my score get better in three and six months? So
33:36
we're trying to delve into that again. The companies of organ health and anti
33:38
aging, that's what makes you so exciting is everything's kind of come full circle
33:44
in the sense of we now can do some organ aging if you really want
33:46
to be most advanced, and we can do the liver bioregulator, we can
33:51
do the stomach bioregulator. And on top of that, again we know affecting
33:55
the immune system and working on fertility and epigene x is going to improve your
33:59
biology and hopefully your health. So everything is kind of interconnecting now, which
34:02
makes it more fun. Was doing this over forty years ago, that wasn't
34:07
he was just again trying to help people. So I think again, I
34:09
think long answer your question. I think it's once people see the results,
34:15
it's going to get really popular really quickly. It's starting to if the bud
34:22
is certain, uh, with what do I want to use certain anti aging
34:28
hallmarks? Are starting to talk about them more. I'm getting more questions.
34:30
That tends to be how it works. Sometimes it's the big small community or
34:35
small big community. Do you want to look at it? So, yeah,
34:39
no, that's that's a very good response because it is new. Although
34:45
there is a lot of scientific data that we you know, that have been
34:49
done in Russia, just a lot of times in the United States. When
34:52
something is new here, we think it's brand new. But look at look
34:57
at acupuncture. You know, it's been done for thousands of years and yet
35:01
in Asia. But yet you know, in the US it's still relatively a
35:07
new practice, right, So people think that it is new, but it
35:10
isn't really new. So doctor Cabins and the understanding I have, uh was
35:16
that Pewton called contacted him because they were having issues with their military and the
35:24
Olympic athletes and they even chernobyl you know, victims. So they were trying
35:31
to find something and he charged him with the the challenge to find solutions.
35:38
And this is what for forty years and they you know, in the Soviet
35:44
in Russia, you can buy these at a regular old retail exactly. Yeah,
35:52
do that now in a lot of different ways. Yes, Well,
35:54
because they are supplements. There are amino acids, they're not they're not a
35:59
pharmaceutical drugs. So that's important for people to know that you are taking amino
36:04
acids. It's just they're much smaller aminos and the like if you're taking the
36:08
you know, the big amino complex or the branch chain or that they're much
36:14
it's a whole different ballgame. But these are smaller aminos that are concentrated.
36:21
And you know, you may know this already, but I just heard from
36:23
doctor Bill Lawrence and a few other people I know in the in the health
36:29
world that Ryan Smith at True Diagnostics, which is the company that doctor Lawrence.
36:37
Bill Lawrence uses along with spector cell or the telomere tests, those are
36:42
his two baseline tests before he'll work with anyone, and all his clinical trials
36:50
are with health professionals like yourself. So he's very busy, and you know
36:54
he doesn't want to have any other but healthcare people. So so anyway,
37:02
the hundred people in that trial all have to take the True Diagnostic test,
37:07
which tests your DNA methylation. And now what I was starting to say to
37:14
you is that I don't know if you're aware of this, but sometime next
37:16
year Ryan is going to have an organ specific result, so you will be
37:22
able to tell with your patients which organs are the ones that you need to
37:29
address. And there's the biopeptide bioregulators that you know do address individual organs,
37:37
so you'll be able to be a lot more precise in your treatment. I
37:42
think as as you're aware. I'm so excited about Yeah, yeah, everybody's
37:51
excited about this. And I think you and I even chatted about this,
37:54
and we had our talk a few weeks ago. But yeah, so this
37:59
is something that I think it's going to change the landscape of the bioregulators because
38:05
now instead of a you know, it'll be very customized. Let's just say
38:09
so. So when I took the telomere test, I was so excited because
38:15
doctor Lawrence said he sent it back because he thought there was some mistake,
38:19
and they when it came back the second time, there's no mistake. But
38:22
my results were I was from a zero an infant to a five year old
38:29
telamir lane and so he said that's the best result he's ever seen. So
38:34
I guess I'm working with a half of a full deck on on that one.
38:37
Right. So that's a foundation I have. I know, when you
38:42
when you have a good result like that, you know like you're you know,
38:45
there's so many different measurements that you know, it's sometimes it can be
38:47
scary. Like I took the DNA company tests with Kashif Khan that uh the
38:57
a POE four the g for Alzheimer's that was it was so scary to look
39:01
and see what your results are. I listened to your podcast on Alzheimer's,
39:07
and I could so relate to what you were saying that some people are just
39:12
scared to know because then what if it's a false positive and now you have
39:17
this in your you know, stress level goes up because now you have this
39:22
other awareness. So I mean, sometimes ignorance can be bliss. I'm not
39:27
so sure true in medicine though, I think it's better to know and then
39:30
be able to in advance to be able to treat things. But anyway,
39:36
I was so relieved that my you know, I had no problem with the
39:38
APO four that that's the gene that's the predictor of Alzheimer's correct. Correct.
39:45
Yeah. So anyway, have you ever used that that the DNA company,
39:53
the Epigenity. I'm very familiar with it. I don't use that specific one
39:58
very often. ID who come in with those two? I use a couple
40:00
of their companies. There's so many great companies out there. Now if I
40:05
just can't use everything, yeah, yeah, but I'm very familiar in docs
40:08
and pagents who love his stuff. Well, you know, it's one hundred
40:13
and sixty four pages. I don't mean to, you know, use this
40:15
time for plugging this one, but I was shocked when I saw how detailed.
40:21
There were still things that they don't do. But it is a functional
40:24
epigenetics test. So like I asked them about the breast cancer gene and why
40:30
the bronco why are you not doing that, and he said, well,
40:32
this is really about a functional epigenetic so that was, you know, a
40:37
different measurement, so you know, but he was telling me how every day
40:44
there's some new development and their test changes all the time and there's all always
40:49
updates. Even with one hundred and sixty four pages to digest this, you
40:54
know, a day later there's another development just being facetied. But actually this
41:00
stuff there's I mean this this empire wrappam ice in. There may be a
41:05
new study every two days to come out, and it's a real stuck.
41:09
It's it's good and also tough to do. But yeah, I literally every
41:14
day I get some email or somebody post something about a news day that that's
41:17
really cool and exciting, but just it's impossible to keep up with everything.
41:22
Now, Yeah, you're right, and I think when I had doctor Shaw
41:25
dark Seaun Shaw, he runs a company called Next Health. They have Clint
41:30
you probably know doctor shah uh, he said, And he and I both
41:35
agreed that in the last five years there's been more changes and developments technology improvements
41:43
in medicine than the last hundred years. So to keep up with it,
41:46
you know, you being a responsible provider of healthcare. Uh that that's a
41:52
full time job, you know. So and and by the way, Ross
41:57
Pelton was on my podcast last week, so we had a session on wrap
42:01
of mice and I'm glad you brought that up because I'm going to ask you
42:05
what you think of wrap of micein I love it. I mean I've been
42:09
saying that a lot. I mean again, that's why things are advanced,
42:13
advancing so fast. Now. Again, it's like a lot of things we
42:15
talked about. It pays need to understand what we know and what we kind
42:20
of are still possiblating a little bit. And we don't know the exact dose
42:22
of rap. My son's great for everybody, We don't know an exact Again,
42:28
you talk to ten docs to prescribe it. Of what when should somebody
42:30
start saying? I had a twenty four year old asked me, should I
42:32
start wrap mice, and I said, maybe a little bit too young to
42:37
do the pills form of it right now, because it's probably not necessary.
42:40
And I love the fact that, I mean, again, I've been nerved
42:45
with the studies at this point. I mean they just started doing a study
42:46
in Washington and using paradonal disease or studying in the city here for menopause and
42:52
for infertility, and these are human studies and for people like, human studies
42:57
are the gold standards anybody wants to question something that comes down to where the
43:00
human studies. So there's great that we're going to get human studies and if
43:04
we see and then also they're hopefully doing some aging studies as well soon,
43:08
and I think they're going to show the positive that we see anecdotally sometimes at
43:12
a lot of paces where they know it's an incredible improvement from pain to immune
43:15
boosting to gump to boosting bone and growth. That's we're using paradigmal disease and
43:21
fertility. So I think it's great. Again, it's it's past the point
43:25
of being niche where paces are coming in and asking me for it and I
43:30
don't. It's really exciting. And again I think in two years from now,
43:35
we had the same conversation. It would be incredibly common for patients to
43:38
be using it. I think we're right on the cuffs about that, and
43:42
a lot in terms of where it's going to be really mainstream, because in
43:46
terms of where what it does, and how broad it is, which is
43:50
incredible, all the things that Ross, who wrote the book wrap. He's
43:54
kind of he's called the natural pharmacist, but he is a big champion of
44:00
rappamcin and he said all the same things you say. Well, first thing,
44:05
I asked him, you know, tell me about the human studies,
44:07
because that's what I had read, that there's been a lot of animal studies
44:12
but not a lot of human yet. And so like you said, that's
44:16
the gold standard. So that was one question that we did address. And
44:21
that is happening more and more like you just described. So there will be
44:25
in two years, will be so much more data, scientific data. But
44:30
so he didn't he didn't acknowledge that. And then he also acknowledged that the
44:36
dosing is still up in the air. It really is customized to the individual.
44:43
And he said, you know, in his case, he doesn't he
44:45
takes an injection. I think it's five to six milliground every other and he
44:52
does say that, you know, this is definitely not something that you should
44:55
be doing every single day for most people. There are people who do.
45:00
Some people would do it weekly, some people do it bi weekly, some
45:04
people And it's kind of how I do a lot of times I have patients
45:07
take a break like every three to six months. People think you need to
45:09
do it again. We don't. There's things that we need to still figure
45:13
out. And that's probably a little further down the line. Once we know
45:17
how we're gonna use it for what, then we can figure out which the
45:21
best way is to get in it. But it's pretty good assumption still,
45:23
so we're getting closer and closer. So when you do the uh, the
45:30
paradontal, that's something that he didn't bring up at all. But that's a
45:32
new area and I think that's very exciting for most people who you know,
45:37
there's so many people who have dental issues, So how did how is it
45:42
used for that? What? What is there a prescribed dosage? Is there
45:49
any anecdotal responses anecdotal evidence of that it helped to build bone, especially paradondal
45:54
people use it for wound healing, as well. I'm not sure how I
45:58
didn't they didn't devulot how they're doing the study. I assume it's orally.
46:01
People are postially and what would work if you get our wrap of mice and
46:05
toothpaste. There are people who compound into a toothpaste, but that's I mean,
46:09
I don't know how that's not I don't know how to test that specifically,
46:15
but so it's yeah, right now, it's the oral. There's a
46:16
lot of anecdotal people are anecdotal things out there, and again, hopefully this
46:22
study and I think an animals have shown that as well a lot and the
46:24
dog studies, which for some reason have become very popular. It shows that
46:29
type of background. But we'll see, I mean hopefully again, like I
46:31
said, a year or two will know a lot more. Right, So
46:34
then you have it's you know, the terms that we discussed last week,
46:38
we autrophogy and m chour that I kind of like the try triage of wrap
46:45
of micein right, so you're you know, we went through the understanding of
46:51
how you uh, our diets have changed so dramatically in our uh the frequency
46:57
of our are eating is what has caused autophogy to become much more problematic,
47:04
and so now we if you do intermittent fasting, we talked about the sixteen
47:08
eight. You know, go stop eating and your dinner at about six or
47:13
seven, don't eat again the next until the next day, until eleven,
47:16
and now you've done a fast and it doesn't even you know, cause any
47:22
issues for you. I mean, you know, some people cannot fast during
47:24
the day because they blood sugar goes too low, and they they are too
47:29
and too much of a high stress job. So so the sixteen eight,
47:32
I don't know, do you recommend that for your patients as a way to
47:36
do intermittent fasting and encourage autosogy. Not as much as I used to.
47:44
The data is still a little more become a little more equivocal since it kind
47:46
of got its vogue a couple of years ago. I like it for I'll
47:51
have my patients do it for if it works for them for weight loss and
47:54
dieting. Some people will notice when they get the key tone production and the
47:59
top of built notice that their cognition is better. So I'll use it.
48:04
I use it much more now. I don't use it in like in terms
48:07
of just autoplogy, because I mean, there's things like spermidine if they're not
48:10
doing wrap, mice in or curricumen, a lot of other rest, some
48:15
resertual, some of those stumms that will induce autology. And I combine with
48:19
your listen a which films with the mytopogy and some autology, so I can
48:22
get other summons to do it. And I find now that with the sixteen
48:28
eight or any of the fasting, it's a life it's a personal lifestyle choice.
48:31
I think there are people who thrive on it and do really well with
48:35
it, and that's great, especially now they're delving into like oh man and
48:37
time restricted eating and all the benefits of the circadian rhythm and the back to
48:42
clocks again, the circadian clocks and the organ again, everything kind of just
48:45
kind of coalesces now. So yeah, I like it. I just don't
48:52
do it specifically for autology and as much anymore as I used to, And
48:55
it did have kind of be a blanket thing, and I tend to pick
48:59
it choose. And the thing is I try to target my patients away from
49:05
doing it, well, I'm away from doing it, but monitoring how their
49:07
workouts are, especially their weight workouts. Some people I find don't put on
49:10
as much muscle mass as they want when they're doing it fast. But it's
49:14
all individual. I mean right now, we just don't know what's my call
49:20
it. We just everybody's different. I mean, it comes down to your
49:22
protein intake and what you're again, everything is so individual. Again, it
49:25
goes back to if you do your if you do sixteen eight and your data,
49:30
if your biomarkers are great, if you're a biological age person, your
49:32
biological age numbers are great like yours were, then keep doing it. I
49:37
can't do sixteen all the time because I get I I crash and I start
49:42
seeing things that's no matter what I do. So I just try to fast
49:46
as long as I can when I and especially my non workout days, and
49:51
I go from there. So it's very individual. At the short question there
49:55
bringing up to the individual, what do you think is the answer to the
50:00
semi glue tides, which you know are obviously becoming the darling of the weight
50:06
loss world. Uh? Do you endure them? How do you use them?
50:10
If you do? Which one ozembic or Manjaro or lagovi. Uh?
50:17
You know this has become a really hot topic, and I think there's so
50:21
many, you know, risks and rewards. So what what's your belief system
50:25
on semi glue tide. I have a more extreme pain the most. I
50:30
love them if you used in the right patient. And going back to what
50:34
I kind of said throughout, I give my patient education before I start on
50:37
them of where we're going and what their goals are. I mean, if
50:42
you're one hundred a light female or male and trying to get that extra one
50:45
or two pounds, it's probably not in your wheelhouse automatically. But in terms
50:51
of you're trying, if you're one hundred and ninety pounds and your diet is
50:53
healthy and your sleep is good, you're not losing weight. They're great.
50:57
And now that's the first part is to understand in terms of way specifically,
51:01
is understanding how to use them, how to come off of them, and
51:05
then how you can kind of go back and forth if you need to.
51:07
And in terms of which ones I use, I mean I in terms of
51:10
specifically for weight loss, Mandro is to be definitely the best, which is
51:15
trans Eppetide less more weight loss. The new ones are coming out next year
51:22
almost to be this year soon. Those even give you more weight loss,
51:25
so that that'll be the bigger, bigger brother in terms of weight loss.
51:30
But what we're finding now is that the benefit of that class, especially the
51:35
study is gonna be done with the semi glue tie which is o empic in
51:37
terms of the addictive behaviors things like smoking, from smoking and drinking to even
51:44
some psychiatric addictions. And then how beneficial semic glue tide is. There's now
51:50
Alzheimer's studies going on with semic glue tide that we have shown some good benefits
51:54
lower dosing that we use for weight loss, which is kind of the big
51:58
cabinat where if you get the brand you really can't microdose. If you get
52:00
a compounded you can. And so if you take a tenth of the normal
52:05
dose, that may be your addiction dose, that may be your Alzheimer's dose,
52:08
that could be your anti aging dosing. Because we know again it works
52:12
on any it works on all these different factors, works on microbiome, it
52:15
works on the brain, it's anti inflammatory. So there's I love them for
52:19
a lot of different things that really we're just dipping our toe in weight loss
52:23
is understanding the plus of the minds just too. You need to get a
52:28
dexa skin, you need to make it work on your protein intake. I
52:30
tell every patient that patients are losing too much muscle, I stop them immediately.
52:37
It's not something that oh my god, I need to lose at one
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pound. That's not always the best and unfortunate people see stuff on social media.
52:45
I don't like, this is too many. It's there, but there's
52:47
too many side effects for most patients. So unless it's an insurance issue over
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anything else, I don't use willglov as much. And the other thing,
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of course, is that a lot of these people who need you use these
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are are diabetic type two diabetes, so they originally those drugs were for the
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blood sugar right for insulin resistance. So so in a way, you're getting
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a double whammy. You're going to help you your condition, your medical condition
53:21
of diabetes, and you're going to lose weight at the same time. I
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think the big question that you raise, the big question mark, is what
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happens when you want to go off of it. Now you've lost your you
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know, the weight that you want to lose, and now you want to
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keep it off. So your your point of you know, lifestyle. I
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always tell people. You know, you should never diet. You should just
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look at your lifestyle. You had to do that with your with your headaches.
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You know, you have to look at what am I eating and how
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is that affecting me. Well, you know a lot of people just are
53:57
so habit bound that they can't they don't recognize that they have to change their
54:02
They have to get knowledgeable about what nutrients are doing what, and then you
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know, become real practitioners of their own health. So yeah, well,
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I'm glad you've given us a tutorial on that because there's just so much confusion
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and many doctors are saying, no way, unless you have diabetes, you're
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not going to you know, if you only have to lose five pounds,
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you do it on your own, don't depend on a drug. So you
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know, there are some people that are still struggling that can't get a prescription
54:37
for the semi glutide. But I think when used in the right conditions,
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with the right doctors supervising that you're right that these are very I mean very
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very safe, They can be very safe. You said next year there's going
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to be ones just targeted for weight loss and not diabetes. What's the name
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of the one to come out next year's True Time. I think I'm patching
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the name, but I think it's read a true tie that's coming out next
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year, and another one which is another long name is coming out. Those
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are going to be I'm not sure what they're I don't know if they've totally
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I think one is coming up for weight loss. One will be coming out
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for both. Sometimes it depends on what the studies show. If their studies
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only show for weight loss and not for diabetes, obviously they can't go through
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the FDA with that, so a lot of it's still to be determined depending
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on their last study show. But the initial study has been really impressive,
55:28
okay for weight loss, I mean specifically, and that goes leads to a
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lot of other things. Like you said, well, good news on that
55:35
one. Well we've run at the time, doctor Pauvin, and I've been
55:39
really so impressed with all the knowledge that you have and that you are truly
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redefining the term generalist in the functional integrative category. So I think that people
55:52
who are listening and viewing you today will have the similar impression that I have
55:58
that you've really put your passion into your practice and you really care about your
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your patients, and you really want to make a difference. So I want
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to thank you again for joining us today and I wish you a happy holidays.
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I'll probably get to meet you next week if you're going to still put
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planning to go to Las Vegas. There, I'll find you, I'll text
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you, I'll be around for you. I guess I'm going to be there
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for four days, so looking forward to learning a lot at that conference.
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And it's always it's always it's really the Catillac of the industry, don't you
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think then definitely, yes, it's one of the bigger comments out there,
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right. Okay, well, thank you very much and have a wonderful weekend. Take care