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Ep. 17 : The Looming Offseason, Topps Holiday, 2024 Fantasy Landmines · Cards & Categories

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Hello, and welcome to episode seventeen of Cards and Categories. I am Mike
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Coolard here from Rasball, joined as always by my good friend Jeremy Burr,
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also from Rasball. Jeremy, how you doing tonight. I'm doing very very
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well. Thanks for asking. I'm enjoying the nice, cool weather, freezing
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snow on a Halloween. I don't know about you up there in Chicago Land,
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but snow on Halloween is not what the plan was for this year,
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but we made it by So how are you doing this evening? Yeah,
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I'm doing pretty well. I'm trying to stay warm here in Chicago. I'm
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also getting a little like wispy eyed, a little just a little sad because
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today is like technically one of the first days that we could have had no
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baseball for the until spring training. So we're rinding down on the end of
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the season. Currently we're recording on November one, we're watching Game five of
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the World Series, but yesterday was Game four, and it's possible the Rangers
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clinched this tonight. But it does make me kind of sad for the end
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of the season and kind of going into an off season of nothingness, and
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I guess that's not exactly the most exciting take about this World Series. But
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I'm feeling melancholic tonight, Brew, I guess is what I can say.
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I understand it is it's cold, Baseball's ending, you have nothing to look
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forward to until March. I understand the feelings. So yeah, especially this
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morning when I was driving to work and it's super cold, that when you're
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listening to the Baseball podcast when it's cold, it just makes it feel like
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it's January or February, that it's like spring training. Especially everybody's talking about
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First Pitch Arizona, which is going on this weekend, and who knows,
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maybe one day we'll be able to go and enjoy that warm weather down in
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Arizona. I think quite a few of podcasters and people in our industry are
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down there at this game. So if anybody is listening to us from first
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to Arizona, hello, Hello, we wish we were there, not in
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the cold Midwest. Yeah. I can generally say that at many points in
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times throughout the year, So I'm not sure that has anything to do with
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First Pitch in Arizona. Yeah, hopefully they are looking forward to our January
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pods when that's like the actual case. You know, we've kind of started
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pulling our hair out after sixty straight days of below zero weather or whatever.
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But anyways, let's actually focus on that World Series that I glossed right over.
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We like I said, it's currently game five and we're recording this right
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at the beginning of kind of the third inning, the bottom of the third
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so we'll keep you updated as the pod moves on. But it's been I'm
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kind of bored of the World Series at this point, maybe because the Rangers
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are so close and the first two games were super awesome. The past two
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have been a little more black, and part of me too is like I
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don't want the Rangers to blow this, even though I enjoyed them blowing it
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in twenty eleven with our Cardinals, but I don't think that's really nice to
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do to Rangers trans again. So I'm hoping that they can close it out
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and clinch their first World Series in franchise history. Here, Yeah, I
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do have to say, like the first few games were like, we're extremely
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exciting. It was a crazy great start to the World Series, and since
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then it's it's not for lack of noise during the games, it's been kind
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of the sequence of noise getting leads and then that we're linquishing them. I
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don't know. I don't think either of the last two games have had actually
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a lead change at any point during the game. So that Rangers took the
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lead, kept the lead into the game, went home, started again,
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and so yeah, it didn't have as much excitement to it. That said,
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it doesn't early feel a little bit like the NLCS to a degree where
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we were kind of feeling the same way as far as the Phillies to try
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to take out the Diamondback. So I don't want to you know, lock
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anything and that at this point. Now, by the time we're done recording
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the pod, we might be locked something in with Baseball's new speed rules,
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there's actually a chance of that happening. Green is still the World Series,
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So unless we recorded for the next two and a half hours, I think
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it will probably still be finishing things up. We just might have an indication
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where things are going, but it will, you know, I would have
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to say, I'm I want to see a little more baseball, so I'm
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pulling for the d Backs to to make it a little bit more of a
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series, you know, rekindle some of the storylines the underdog and and and
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give it a shot going back to Texas. But you know, UH,
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either either team that comes out here, I feel like Texas is the better
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team. I feel like Texas uh has put a lot in the season and
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was a It's not like this, this would be a cheap World Series win,
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so I would be disappointed to see them win. No. And I
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think maybe part of what I'm is causing me to check out at this point
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in Game five is the Aduli Scarcia injury, as he kind of very clearly
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tore his oblique in half, and I heard that he tried to give it
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a go in the cages before the game yesterday for Game four, And I
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can't even imagine what that would feel like, trying to tough it through of
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recently strained oblique and taking hacks that I can I wonder how many he got
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in like it would be an interesting workout to watch, But I feel like
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a guy swinging back and out of bed in the morning. Yeah, So
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I can't imagine with any oblique injury and I've had I personally from playing baseball,
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I've had an oblique injury before it's it's not fun, it's it's not
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something you can really battle through, Like it's just pain when you swing a
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bat. It's just pure pain. There's nothing good that comes from it.
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So I just can't imagine him, you know, putting anything into the those
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swings. Yeah, and his historic postseason was just really fascinating to watch.
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And he's an entertainer and a showman, and I think he's gonna be great
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for MLB going forward. It'll be interesting to see kind of where the rest
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of his career goes as he is a little more advanced in age. I
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think he's thirty three if I'm correct, I should probably know he's been kind
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of obviously glued all over this series, but he has been really what has
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carried this playoff kind of show, which is I mean, ultimately the I
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guess he's only thirty my bad, So he's still got plenty ahead of him
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as he's you know, just recently started in the league. But I think
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that the World series almost you get to know these players so much because they're
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on and it's the ups and downs of the series, so it's like a
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TV show, and he was certainly the main character and so to pull him
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out. It is I think made things a little more boring. But like
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I said, we'll see where this goes from tonight. And I totally kind
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of already forgot about the NLCS and how the Diamondbacks storm back, So that
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is kind of good to keep in mind as I can already see the Diamondbacks
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possibly squeaking this out, and you know, if they've got the momentum rolling
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into Arlington, no Suerzer, no Garcia, that's when things could maybe get
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a little dicey for the Rangers. Yeah. I mean, he's still got
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Corey here, who's gonna try to throw Texas on his back in the piers
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and do everything he can to uh deliver this championship. And I think that
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actually could do an amazing amount for Corey seears legacy after you know, playing
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with the Dodgers bringing home you know, a series there, but you know,
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he was not the guy, uh putting folks on the back, and
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in Texas. He's not the guy necessarily in Texas either, but he's one
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of the guys, one of the main guys, and he's really he himself
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has made an impact in this in this series. There's there's no question about
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that. Uh he's single handling one on at least one game in this series,
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So uh yeah, I think it's it'll be interesting. I if I
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was betting, I'd say the Diamondbacks, just the way things have gone,
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they're gonna pull one out tonight and we're gonna we're gonna go back to Texas
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and and and finish this thing out. So uh, let's see, Let's
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see how it finishes out, and uh maybe it'll give us a few extra
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days of baseball before the the off season starts. And then then we got
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the off season carousel coming, and there's gonna be a lot well I know
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we're gonna have a lot of fun talking about all the speculation, all the
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rumors, all the possibilities that we're most definitely gonna be wrong on. So
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that's the beauty of the off season. So even though you know I'll miss
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the game, I love the game within the game of the off season.
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I love the economics of trying to figure out what just the heck everybody's trying
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to do. And I think sometimes the teams are trying to figure out what
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the heck everybody's trying to do because they just don't know and there's only so
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many players to go around, and everybody is trying to win next year.
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So I'm actually kind of excited to get to the off season here. Yeah,
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exactly. And I don't know if you're really into like making transactions and
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like theorizing how to run teams. Have you heard of this thing called fantasy
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baseball? I think you might like it. Yeah, fantasy baseball. I'm
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gonna try it out this year. Last few years I just couldn't couldn't stumble
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upon the game such time writing rankings with like for a game I didn't play.
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No, I play plenty, play plenty. Don't. Don't you worry.
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You're not taking poor advice from somebody doesn't play fantasy baseball playing poor advice
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from somebody that does. Yes, And I will say that we are going
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to run all off season, so we If you are looking for suggestions for
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us to talk about in terms of topics for cards or for anything fantasy wise,
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let us know because it will Otherwise you're just going to get really minute
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shape Shotani free agency updates from us, because that's where I'll be focused all
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off season. And Ushi Yamamoto, that's where I'm gonna send my off season.
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Oh that's a good one too, so yeah, lots of it will
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be an intriguing off season. But you can email the thepod here at cards
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Categories at gmail dot com. So reach out to us there, and yeah,
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for the off season, what are you looking forward to the most other
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than signings? I mean, are you thinking there's gonna be big moves in
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terms of front offices or any other like big trade chips or new risers and
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followers, buyers and sellers in the market. What do you see in your
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crystal ball over there, Brew, Yeah, I think my crystal ball is
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telling me that we're gonna have a few teams go through makeovers this offseason,
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and it's gonna be earlier than folks expect. I think the last few off
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seasons we've really waited around to see what kind of money was going to be
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spent, waiting for some big names like Aaron Judge or others to sign.
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And I crystal ball and there's nothing behind this. There is not like a
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report somewhere or something like that. It's just that gut feel that I think
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we're gonna see a few teams really go through a makeover and really redo the
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roster for for better or worse. I think there's gonna be some teams to
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say, yep, my windows closing gonna pars some things out, and I'm
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gonna really reset get young going to the next year as already kind of a
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rebuild. And I think you're gonna have some teams that look around and say,
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there's not the same juggernauts that there there has been over the last few
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years. You're not looking at the Dodgers and going who's gonna beat the Dodgers.
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Don't get me wrong, there's some good teams. Texas is gonna be
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continue to be good. There's not much that they're gonna lose lose there.
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They have a few guys at Garber and stuff. They have to figure out
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what to do. Montgomery, you have, the Braves are gonna look good,
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The Phillies are gonna still look good. The Dodgers are still gonna be
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in the discussion. But I don't see there being a as big of a
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top dog that there has been in past off seasons. And so the question
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is who's gonna try to exert that dominance and make a big play. So,
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like I said, I expect a few big makeovers. A few teams
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that we don't expect are going to make multiple splashes of free agency, and
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I don't I originally into the off season before Otani got hurt, I thought
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the whole market was going to wait for Otani. I think a number of
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teams are just going to be out on Otani and they're going to try to
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blitz the market elsewhere. So I think, really think that dynamic of strategy,
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which we've seen a few teams play in the past where they make some
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early signings, I think there's going to be a strategy that gets employed this
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year more than we've seen in the past. So I don't know what about
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you, what's got you excited for the off season? Yeah, when I
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kind of look into the crystal ball, on my side, I think the
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team that's going to be the most consequential here to the offseason has actually already
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kind of started the off season with the Brewers letting Craig Council be interviewed by
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the Mets, and there's been a report that the Astros have also kind of
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checked in since Dusty Baker has retired. So the Brewers I think control a
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lot of where the off season market's going to go partly because Banel Central is
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a division where honestly, any of those teams, if they just invest in
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their rosters and the offseason, could win that division. So it's kind of
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a stand off to see who's gonna pull the trigger first. And if the
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Brewers lose Council and decide to blow it up, obviously they're sitting on Corbyn
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Burns. They could move the Christian Yelich contract to try to get back some
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you know, maybe pair them together to try to eat or like send some
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of that money out the door and bring back better prospects. And that Devin
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Williams. I can see Devin Williams in a trade shift for sure. So
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like that roster, I think it's just so stars and scrubsy that like it
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lends itself to being torn apart pretty easily. So we could see them or
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we could see them swing the other way. Maybe once Craig Council leaves town,
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they bring in somebody that does push that team closer to you know,
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end game and sign a free agent or two, or maybe try to make
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a splash for Yamamoto, or it's not the team could go both ways,
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And I think it'll be indicative of kind of where the entire temperature of the
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league is. Yeah, I think I think you're right there. That's the
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NL Central is gonna be very very interesting because of all the divisions, I
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feel like that one is the one that is the most unsettled. And it
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is kind of ironic that you can't I think it's fair, maybe a stretch,
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but fair to say every team in there could invest in, could win
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the division. I say, not quite sure. I'm not sure. I'm
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not just not sure the Pirates are there yet, but that might not be
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for the next few decades. Yeah, and that's also partly just because we
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both know the Pirates aren't going to spend money, yes, which is very
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true. If they spell spit money, they probably can win the division.
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Yeah. The other one that I think is going to be interesting, and
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I just saw a report on this today and I know we can link to
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this in the in the pod notes. The San Diego Padres. You know,
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we've seen Juan Soto has been kind of on the trade block already already
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in rumors for teams that are kind of checking in. But those report came
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out today that the Padres had to take out a loan for fifty million dollars
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in September due to short term cash flow issues and making sure that they hit
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payroll. So very interesting for a team has been kind of loose with the
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checkbook that they are literally having to take a loan out to pay their payroll.
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That tells you that, you know, they're not adding this this offseason.
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Maybe maybe it's pure speculation on my part, but that seems like if
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you're if you're having to go to that that that point, it's it's raises
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some questions. So one Soto on the trade block actually seems legitimate, you
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know, and they have a number of big contracts. You know, Josh
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Haters, a free agent, pretty much tells you he's not coming back.
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So I think the Padres are one of those teams if they really are having
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a financial crunch and they're seeing the need to let Hater go, you know,
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maybe move one so too. They might be looking to part some guys
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out and try to retool for maybe two three years down the road. Here
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will I still still have like Tatise under contract, so that'll be a really
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interesting storyline as well. Yeah, and we'll see how that plays out,
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I know, they were one of the teams along with the Diamondbacks. I
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think actually that their Regional Sports Network folded like it went under and went bankrupt
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as a part of like a collection of the baseball rsns not being able to
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make payments to their teams. And that's really what's caused a lot of these
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teams to have pretty liquid pocketbooks because those payments from the rsns are hundreds of
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millions of dollars, and one that goes out from underneath, you obviously end
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up where like the padres are, So it would be I don't know,
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like the mechanics of the finances too, Like you know, was it a
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loan on like a line of credit or did they have to get a new
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loan or is there some sort of loan being taken out against future RSN earnings
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when they get a new RSEN or something like that. You know, it's
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there's so many unknowns with with that type of report, And to be very
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frank, I read the headlines. I didn't have time to read the report,
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no full report yet, but yeah, it could be it could be
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absolutely nothing, but it's it's it's an indicator at this at this point.
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So but I will say that. I think the reason of story like that
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gets floated into the media too is because the owner is looking for a reason
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to scale back and say, hey, things have gone awry, so I've
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got to scale back. No, no small spending and it could be another
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big market force and you know, allow teams to really load up. Yeah,
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I think so. But hey, it's gonna be it's gonna be a
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fun offseason. I know, you know, we'll have what the call before
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the storm. It's kind of like a for those that don't know the you
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know, the kind of mechanics of the off season. You know, we
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get kind of like a five day waiting period after the World Series before you
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know, cre agents can start signing with other other clubs. They mist make
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decisions on options, things like that, and then things will really kick off
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here and about about a week you got GM meetings uh taking place in Arizona.
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So things will start to pick up speed, but not really until after
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the non tender deadline here about the middle, I think it's the seventeenth of
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November. I guess it sounds better to say the tender deadline than the non
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tender deadline. It's very class half empty. Yeah, but you know,
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once we get past the November seventeenth, I think that's really where things will
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start to pick up. So for me, Winter WE meetings always one of
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the most exciting parts about about the winter. That's December fourth through six this
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year over in Nashville, So I'm sure that'll give us a lot of excitement
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as well to go through. So ready to get ready to get in the
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off season here once once we get to a resolution on the on the World
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Series and see what what it brings, because I'm sure every time we get
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we jump together it'll be it'll be fun because we'll have some new rumor to
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talk about. Yeah, and maybe even somebody getting bounced from team to team
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like Karls Korea. We'll see. It should be an interesting off season.
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And we will recap the whole twenty twenty three season a little bit more next
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week as we kind of get into the conclusion of the World Series and you
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know, make some picks for awards and things like that. So we are
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looking forward to that next week. But for this week, we've got a
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couple of really great topics. We've got an overview of tops holiday twenty twenty
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three that we've been hinting at it just it was supposed to technically come out
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tomorrow on the calendar. I was looking back at our calendar, but it
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just kind of like flopped out last week between Walmart shipping their pre orders and
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it hit Tops dot com. And so we will do an overview of that
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as we've had some fun seeing the cards come out of that set right now,
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and then for the categories discussion the fantasy side, we're gonna look at
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some early NFBC data from twenty twenty four drafts that has happened over the past
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month and go through and see some guys that we consider land mines that they
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just really look like they're overvalued and we are not interested in those prices.
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So we'll go over why and kind of what other options might be around those
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guys in those drafts when we're looking forward to the off season. So stick
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around here. We'll be right back all right, and welcome back here to
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the cards section of cards and categories. We are going to do an overview
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of twenty twenty three Tops Holiday today. So, like I said before the
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break, we've been hinting at this release for a few weeks just because it's
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one of our favorite rips of the year. It's very cheap and affordable and
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also easy to find. It's usually at Walmart's or on walmart dot com,
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So it's usually a very plentiful set, and it's meant more so for holiday
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gifts obviously on the during the holiday season. It's the entire set, and
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the premise behind it is they take the base tops flagship cards of players and
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create a set that has a holiday twist to it. So this year they've
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got candy canes on the outside borders, and they've got snowflakes in the backgrounds
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of the cards, and then they always have metallic parallels and lots of short
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prints that are just goofy beyond like goofiness, And so for all those factors,
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it's a really fun product to open with, you know, people who
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have lots of experience, because it gives a little bit of something new,
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people who are just entering the product or entering baseball card collecting, because it
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is relatively cheap, and I think especially for kids that like it's got a
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lot of really goofy stuff for kids to look at on the cards. So
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all those factors have really made it a popular release every year. And we're
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definitely a part of those fans that make it popular. So brew would have
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been some of your favorite parts about Top Soliday traditionally as a set, and
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going into maybe what some of your favorite parts of this year's set have been.
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Yeah, I think for me, probably probably one of the biggest things
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for the set is, uh, you know, there's one one box,
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one style of box. There's not hobbies, not jumbos. It's get one
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megabox, ten packs, ten cards, so it's but there's always a guarantee
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of an Autowa relic and so like the for a price point about thirty bucks,
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uh, you definitely feel like you're always going to get something. And
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you know that's even though the relics, let's let's own them. They're kind
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of goofy. They're not the most exciting, there's very small patches, but
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they're still fun. And the fun of the set, I think to me
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is that pretty much every pack you're getting some type of short prints, some
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type of uh, you know, parallel and there they are, to your
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point, a little goofy. You know, whether it's a candy cane bat
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to the Santa hat or you got a necklace of of Christmas lights, and
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I'm sure I didn't look too closely if we had. I know, last
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year they had holiday sleeves, and I think they've got a fews this year,
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just the arm sleeves. So it's kind of kind of fun. Actually
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a few like snowmen hiding in the background. But I always get a kick
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out of the searching for the short prints, uh anymore and your your base
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products, because it used to be so hard to find the short prints that
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actually turn those around, and your your flagship products. So you're going through
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your pack and all of a sudden you had a backwards card. It's usually
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a short print or an auto or some type of special insert top holiday.
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They don't do that. They're still generally in the middle of the packs.
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But you have to like look closely and like study these cards. And I
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know what we can talk through here, but you know, you can identify
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them a little bit if you if you dig on the back of the cards,
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look at the the serial numbers to a degree, but you know you
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have to you're doing a little hunting, be like, hey, I just
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pulled this this rookie card, and is it special? And you don't don't
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know, especially if you're opening on the first day, you don't know what's
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what's so special about it. So I just get a kick out of that.
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And it's just a it's the fun little thing. If you want to
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chase the call it the rainbow of your favorite player. You know, at
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most there's four cards, four or five cards maybe that you'd be chasing as
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far as like the variations are concerned. And so again, something's fun,
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easy to do. Uh, at the end of the day. Top so
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holiday doesn't really hold a whole lot of value beyond the first year or so
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after they're polled. Maybe you know, the biggest names, uh, their
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rookies might have something down the line for the super short prints. So so
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I love the love the set. I think part for me so far,
26:37
probably my favorite thing with this year's set has just been the I feel like
26:45
the quality of the I'm gonna call it the candy Cane bat short prints has
26:53
been very high quality. And what I mean by it is they don't look
26:56
nearly as hokey as of the past. And I don't think this year we
27:02
have the Santa Belt parallels where they actually replaced the belt of the player.
27:07
Yeah, I didn't see a whole lot of those. Maybe I just didn't
27:11
pull any maybe you did, And so, like actually going back to what
27:15
you were talking about in terms of sometimes not being able to spot it,
27:18
I pulled the ultra short print parallel of Gunner Henderson, which is the Santa
27:25
Belt parallel, and I didn't know it was at the at first. I
27:27
had set it off in my pile of rookies. And I opened two boxes
27:32
last week of Top Holiday, and when I started sorting through my pile of
27:37
rookie cards, I had two Gunner Henderson rookies. Noticed that one of them
27:41
looked a little funny, and it's because it was the Santa Belt parallel,
27:45
so I would say it might Yeah, it might be the hardest one to
27:51
see because there's an Otani Santa Belt as well, and I'm just looking.
27:56
We'll also link to the list of short prints because it is really fun and
28:00
I think it's hard to do justice on a audio medium like this to what
28:04
these cards look like. And it's certainly a fun list of short prints to
28:11
check out because they are really entertaining. So the Santa Belt cards are in
28:17
there. I can see you on our zoom call looking through your stack of
28:19
cards right now trying to see if you've got one, because they don't pop
28:23
out very well. They're definitely the hardest ones to find. Along with you'll
28:27
also see there's some parallels that have like elves or snowmen or Santa Clauses that
28:34
are blurred into the background with the crowd and they don't stand out. So
28:41
those are other ones where I look for them when I'm at card shows,
28:44
because sometimes those cards end up in very cheap boxes because people gloss over how
28:52
short printed some of them are. Yeah, to that point. I think
28:56
it was earlier this year, and being a big card fan, I collected
29:02
a lot of Dylan Carlson when he was rookie, and that was one of
29:03
the guys that I was trying to complete the I'll It Holiday Rainbow set for
29:11
And I remember right after that came out, I actually bought the super short
29:14
print it was him, his holiday sleeve version, you know, for like
29:19
five bucks because somebody thought it was a different parallel on eBay. So I
29:25
bought that one, and then I held it for like a day that I'm
29:26
like, this is like seventy dollars cards. So I sold it for seventy
29:30
dollars, and then like it took like two years. I was going through
29:33
a dollar box at the show, and sure enough I came across the card
29:36
for a dollar, and you know, got at the point is probably want
29:40
worth like ten because his cards come down. But again it's a super short
29:45
print. So and I found myself kind of looking. I saw a lot
29:48
of Holiday cards and it was just so hard to remember which which one is
29:52
the super short which one is the short But and for those that don't know,
29:57
every card has a code on the very back of the card, and
30:03
based on those codes, you can determine if it's a base card, sp
30:06
A rare super rare card. I think this year's I was looking. I
30:11
think there's actually two numbers for base I can't remember off the top of my
30:15
head with what they were. I should look, as I have some sitting
30:18
right here. I think it was into a six or ten. We're the
30:23
base the base cards, and then if in like a fourteen fifteen sixteen,
30:26
we're all the sps. So if you're not quite sure and you're opening the
30:32
tops Holiday, look at the pictures and turn your at the end of the
30:36
ripping that thing open, go through the back all your cards, because I
30:38
did miss some as I was going through, and I went through on the
30:41
back and count the numbers that that called it out. So definitely definitely a
30:48
fun product that I love the fact that you have to still search for the
30:51
sps a little bit, where you don't nearly need to as much in the
30:53
other products these days. Yeah, And I think it's also an easy product
30:57
to get into because the lack of parallels that obviously are stick here is going
31:03
through the list of all the parallels on some of our favorite sets, and
31:06
how absurd the list is because especially when we were getting into this in the
31:11
eighties and nineties, those cards didn't have the same list of thirty five parallels.
31:18
I think it was in top scrome. You have like a gold foil
31:22
and nothing else is like gold foil base. Yeah, there's the two foils.
31:26
So there's the metallic foil, the base silver metallic foil, which is
31:32
much more common than you have a red and then a gold. So that's
31:34
your entire rainbow here and then those short prints. So it's a much easier
31:41
set to put together. And as you alluded to, it is a set
31:45
that doesn't hold a ton of value, so like it's a good one too.
31:48
Where to sit on it for a little bit, you know, maybe
31:52
try to find some of the rarer stuff now while it's out there and has
31:59
tailed off a little bit price. But it's also a good one to come
32:01
back to a couple of months later to try to finish off if you're trying
32:06
to do this short rainbow, because the prices do fall off, especially because
32:10
it's one of the last sets of twenty twenty three and people will really be
32:14
into twenty twenty four Maynia soon. Yeah, and I it was fun to
32:19
see it was a little earlier this year, ar if. I called,
32:22
and I was I think it all had to do with advertisements for the holidays,
32:27
Christmas advertisements coming out a little earlier than they have in the years past.
32:31
I've heard Christmas music on the radio just this morning, and that's I'm
32:37
thinking it was correlation with tops holiday coming out. So you're right, they
32:40
didn't come out a little earlier. But very again, very fun product.
32:46
You know. I actually I ripped two boxes. How many? How many
32:50
did you rip? Just too? And yeah, you know what, I'm
32:53
going back through the checklist. We didn't even talk about the ridiculous fake relics
32:58
that are in this product, which are what have make it kind of like
33:02
even more fun is that you will. I don't know if they're signed this
33:06
year, but traditionally they've had these fake relics from Santa and Elves and well,
33:12
I guess they're real. Sorry if they're children listening, they're real relics
33:17
of Christmas characters that have pieces of jerseys or worn clothes from Santa and the
33:27
Elves and signatures too. So the this year, I don't know if they're
33:32
signed. I haven't seen any pictures of them. I know if they're short
33:36
printed. Yeah. They actually do have the Holiday FO Relics Autograph Checklist,
33:39
which you know the cards. There's the Elf, Frosty, Mister and Missus
33:45
clause. Actually there's two Santa clauses in there, and they are one and
33:51
roughly twenty four thousand packs say, printed to twenty five apiece, and so
33:57
they you would think it'd be hokey and people would hate these things, but
34:00
people love them. I'm telling you, the old ones from they're the one
34:04
thing that I think do keep their value. Whenever they come up and go
34:07
on eBay, they go for hundreds of dollars apiece because people have huge collections
34:13
of these things because they just enjoy the nature of the card collecting and how
34:19
just hilarious these cards look to have this Santa signed relics. So if you
34:23
do pull one of those, I think those are one of the major hits
34:27
of the product is getting one of the signed relics. Yeah. So I'm
34:30
just looking on some eBay sales here just for fun and a little hard to
34:37
find because there is just kind of like a was there such thing as a
34:39
base short print non relic shortprint of Santa that seems to be going for a
34:45
few of them that are going for in the twenty to forty dollars range.
34:50
I saw one of the relics out of twenty five Santa relics out of twenty
34:54
five that went for four hundred dollars. Yeah. And I have not seen
35:00
any of the autos that at this point that had come through, and I
35:06
don't I don't know if there's and I was just looking at the Santa one,
35:13
so I'm not sure if there's any Frosty out there, or Missus Clause
35:19
or Elf was up there. There is actually one Frosty on auction right now.
35:25
It is left, I'm gonna I'm gonna wait, I'm gonna probably try
35:29
to snipe it that later when we get when we get off the out of
35:35
the pod beer. But yeah, definitely, definitely that gives a little extra
35:39
I know a lot of breakers like to random those off because you know,
35:44
if you're breaking by team or something like that, nobody's you know, it's
35:46
not you're not generally selling the spot for the five really rare relics or relic
35:52
autos, So that's always a fun, fun hit if you do get them.
35:55
I forgot about those this year. Yeah, and so if you are
35:59
ripping some, we wish you great luck in trying to pull one of those,
36:02
because they are really fun. And I've never seen one in person.
36:06
I've just seen them on eBay, but I think they would be a really
36:09
cool card to just hold for a little bit. I will say my biggest
36:14
luck this year was I got two top loader ornaments in one box instead of
36:17
one. WHOA, So you know, I was living really high because I
36:23
got Paul Goldman and Nolan Arenado. So I got my Cardinals ornaments that I
36:30
now have no idea what to do with because you can't find a top loader
36:32
Save your Life. It'll fit one of those ornament cards. I mean,
36:35
you're supposed to put it on the tree. Oh yeah, I'm sure that
36:38
would go for well in my house, That's where I'm putting Mike Brian buckson
36:45
that I've got left. So but anyways, that I think puts a pretty
36:51
good bow on everything. For what you did there, what you did there,
36:54
Yep, we can package it up. And so the schedule for our
37:00
upcoming releases actually is holden pretty steady. The only thing we have coming that
37:05
was added to the upcoming release schedule is on twelve six, Pennini National Treasures
37:08
is coming out, and otherwise looks like November is going to happen as planned.
37:14
So we will post those in the show notes so you can check them
37:19
out, and we will wrap up the card section here. We'll be back
37:22
with the category section after the break. Welcome back everybody to the category section
37:46
of cards and categories here. And for the fantasy topic this week, we
37:51
are going to get into what we're going to call land mines from some recent
37:54
NFBC draft data. And we're not just working with a small sample size like
38:02
in Baseball Heroic and with like a super small sample size. But NFBC is
38:08
the National Fantasy Baseball Championship if you don't know, it's really like the most
38:13
premier fantasy baseball site or just place where people play. And they've already started
38:20
twenty twenty four drafts. The buy ins are really high, so you know,
38:23
people are really intense and trying to win these leagues, and lots of
38:28
high rollers and sharp dudes in these leagues from all across the industry. So
38:34
they've opened their twenty twenty four drafts. There's been five in total so far
38:37
from October first through November first. So, like I said, we're working
38:44
with a very limited sample size here on draft data, but we went through
38:47
and found some guys that really popped out to us as if that's the price
38:52
that we're gonna have to be paying at the draft table in twenty twenty four
38:55
for these guys, we are unsure we're in on them and probably have too
39:00
many shares or are trying to warn people that, you know, if you're
39:05
seeing the prices like this in your home league, maybe stay awake. So
39:09
there's going to be better options. So we'll give an overview of who these
39:13
players are, what maybe some of your other options are and why we would
39:17
rather go with the alternative. So, Brew, what do you think about
39:22
working with five drafts here? You feel uncomfortable, You feel like we're going
39:24
to be made to look like idiots here in a couple of weeks. Yes,
39:34
little bit of both. And I think the other thing to say about
39:36
the NFBC to your point that there's a little bit of high rollerness to them,
39:40
and I have no idea these five they are high roll or not.
39:43
But you do tend to see just kind of a warning on using an FBC.
39:46
You do tend to see more aggressive picks because of the high roller nature.
39:52
Because a lot of those leagues you're trying to it's a winner or go
39:55
home. It's not like, you know, maybe like a dynasty type thought
40:00
process where you're building it's generally not paying top three places things like that.
40:05
So you will see more aggressive picks at times, trying to hit big and
40:09
win the league. So just a food for thought as we go through.
40:15
But yes, five drafts one can vastly throw off the actual you know,
40:22
Delta's and I let's take an example, just for fun of our good friend
40:28
the Shoheo Atani. He's had a range of ninth to twenty ninth in these
40:34
drafts, and so you know, his rank rank of seventeenth overall is very
40:39
much all over the place because of some of those picks, and so it's
40:45
it's interesting how much that can drive, Like, I don't know what the
40:50
guy was doing that took Kevin Gossman seventeenth overall, but hey, more power
40:54
to you. So it's it's early, it's a small sample, but it's
41:00
still fun. So let's jump in to those planlines. Yeah, and the
41:05
first one is going to be pretty close to that Shoho Tani at the average
41:09
position of seventeen. But this guy has got an average position right right now
41:15
of nineteenth, and that is Elie de la Cruz from the Cincinnati Reds.
41:20
He is going to qualify I think it pretty much all leagues at short and
41:24
third next year, so that might be a little bit of the factor here.
41:29
But he's going between one Soto, Corey Seeger, Austin Riley. Those
41:38
are the names that are going around him currently on this list. And I
41:44
don't like, I don't even know if I need to do any more analysis
41:46
than saying, like, did these guys watch Elie de la Cruz in the
41:52
last halfs of the like season from after his hot June where he three oh
42:00
seven. Here is this average by month for July, August, and September
42:05
slash October two thirty eight one ninety eight two oh two. And let me
42:10
find the strikeout rates that correspond there. And we are looking at strikeout rates
42:20
of it's not going to be pretty, so it's going to be real gross.
42:25
We've got it started at thirty percent thirty point five in June and that
42:31
was I think workable. Goes from thirty four point eight percent thirty seven point
42:37
nine percent in August, so he's really struggling. And he brought it back
42:40
down to thirty point eight percent in September. In October, but again he
42:46
still wasn't getting on base. He had a WRC plus that went from one
42:53
thirty one to seventy two to sixty nine to seventy one that even with the
42:59
eye test could tell you to struggling at the plate and just having trouble adjusting
43:04
to the majors that adjusted to him that it's a real, real risky spot
43:10
to take your nineteenth pick. Ellie de la Cruz when the floor is back
43:16
in triple A for what three four eighty percent of the year. Yeah,
43:21
I'm I'm right there with you. I actually have Eli Dela Cruz in a
43:25
league that you and I are both in from a dynasty perspective, and I
43:30
am really struggling with him because you know, he's gonna get some some some
43:34
dollars allocated, and he's his price is gonna be going up. And I
43:37
don't know if his if this is the price, if his ceiling from a
43:43
price perspective's ever higher. Don't get me wrong in incredibly talented, incredibly talented
43:47
guy, but he is living on the edge with his approach. And when
43:53
the risk is that you're not playing because you're getting sent down to work on
43:59
your plate approach, which is really the risk you have here with Ellie.
44:02
Like, if you actually look at his stat cast, is his atrocious,
44:07
Like it is just downright disgusting with he He has strong exit velocity and speed,
44:15
that's it. Nothing else. He is in the bottom quarter of the
44:20
league in literally almost every other metric as far as his ex batting average,
44:27
his sweet spot, his k his chase rate X slugging like everything like that.
44:31
So he is he's like Adam Dunn that can run, And I don't
44:37
know if that's a fair comparison, but it feels right. And so there's
44:42
a lot of risk here, don't get me wrong, tons of talent.
44:44
You can easily dream on this guy going like pulling a Ronald Kunya and going
44:49
forty seventy. Now I mean not realistic to a degree, but like,
44:53
if there's another guy that can do something like this, you can look at
44:55
Ellie and be like, yeah, I could see it. But there's a
45:00
ton of risk here, and there's a lot of guys early in the draft
45:07
that I will avoid sol And then I'm talking five by five here, right,
45:09
talking five by five, not talking obp leagues. Batting average that will
45:16
that will tank you. If you don't pick up batting average early in drafts,
45:21
especially next year, you are tanking yourself for one of your categories the
45:25
entire year. And so I think that alone will just trake down guys like
45:30
Elie de la Cruz, Pete Alonzo, Kyle Schwarber, things like that,
45:34
where exciting players valuable in the ball field can do all kinds of things.
45:39
But for your five by five game, where one categories is average, you
45:45
will have to be almost perfect across the board everywhere else. Yeah, I
45:49
totally agree, and I think it it's nothing against Eli de la Cruz and
45:53
his overall talent. It's just that I need to see that swinging strike rate
46:00
be able to be reasonable because it's just like or just bad bad, Yeah
46:07
exactly that, Like, I just it's so outlandish. It was thirty point
46:12
two percent last year on in total, and that includes all of the good
46:15
work that he did when he first came up and all that bad work that
46:20
I've rattled off too. So it's real tough to make a living with a
46:24
swinging strike rate of thirty percent in the league. And so the I mean,
46:30
I know that you hinted at like Ronald Lacunya and like getting to upper
46:34
level, but Acunya's was never over twenty eight point two percent, and that
46:37
was in twenty twenty, so it's a little bit of an anomaly other than
46:40
that was twenty six point six percent. So like, he's got to be
46:45
impacting the ball more to be able to get the most out of it.
46:51
Plus he's honestly not hitting enough fly balls. He's only hitting twenty one point
46:55
eight percent fly balls last year, and that is scary as well that obviously
47:00
he's got the speed to put on the ground, but you need to be
47:02
getting that ball up to get it over the fence, and so just a
47:07
lot of risk that I'm not really willing to take that early in the draft.
47:13
I will let's run through real quick of like the next infielders behind him,
47:16
to see how far we have to go before we find one that one
47:22
of us would take over Ellie or like not take over Ellie. I think
47:25
it might go for a little bit. So the next infielder after him is
47:31
Corey Seger. You going Seeger Ellie? Yep, give me Sieger. Same,
47:37
Austin Riley, gimme Riley, same Ozzie Alvi's give me Alby's over Riley
47:44
or Seeger? Okay, Yeah, next guy, I'm actually gonna skip because
47:47
he's our next discussion point and I think this is actually maybe where the line
47:53
would be. But the next guy is Francisco Lindor. Yeah, I'm probably
47:59
taking door here, so but it's starting to get close. Gunner Henderson,
48:07
oh Ill, I'm still taking Gunner. I'm taking Gunner, And honestly,
48:13
like, if you want a guy with that's young and has big upside.
48:16
Why not take Gunner over Ellie? Yeah, I think, and I we
48:22
can keep going down the list, but you've got guys like Marcus Simeon,
48:25
Boba Schett, jose L Tuve all in that infield, and I think where
48:30
I start to really start to question is going to be in like the j
48:36
Abrams, Jan Chism, Nico Horner, Matt McClain type of area. That's
48:42
exactly where I would want to put Ellie. That's the tier I have him
48:45
and c. J Abrams is fortieth. Yes, so you were you were
48:49
paying double the cost here that that you really should be for Ellie de la
48:55
Cruz. And then I understand that he's exciting, but if he's going to
48:59
that point, I will have zero sheriffs next year. And if there's anybody
49:02
that proaches me in my Dynasty League paying that price, you better believe I'm
49:07
capitalizing on it. Yeah, I totally agree. So I think that rounds
49:12
out Ellie pretty well. Let's get back to that number twenty three guy,
49:15
and that is Royce Lewis from the Twins should also qualify at third base and
49:21
shortstop for next year. I think I have Royce down in that same tier
49:25
that we just mentioned in terms of like the Jazz Chisholm cj Abrams mac McClain
49:31
area, and so again like he's going about twice as expensive as he should
49:38
be, that he's going twenty third and I think he should be going maybe
49:42
more like forty to fifty. And I love the bad ball data from Royce
49:47
Lewis that unlike Ellie, he doesn't have the strikeout issues. He doesn't have
49:52
the issues barreling the ball and getting it off the ground. It's just pure
49:58
injury. Like he's got a knee that has had a torn ACL twice and
50:04
he only has posted. Wow, he's only posted two hundred eighty played appearances
50:09
on his career seventy games, and it's amazing. It's a three oh seven,
50:14
three sixty four five forty nine line in those seventy games, good for
50:19
a one to fifty three WRC, plus that came with seventeen homers six stolen
50:22
bases. You pretty much double that for a full season. It's thirty four
50:27
homers and twelve stolen bases, and it would be amazing. But I don't
50:32
know how you could ever pencil him in for I don't even know how many
50:37
at bets to give him. I'm not gonna lie. It's gonna be really
50:39
hard penciling that in to the projections for next year. Yeah, And I'm
50:45
I'm typically a little bit more willing to take the injury risk than you are,
50:49
and so I'm I'm willing to look at this point the other way a
50:52
little bit on the injury risk for him. What really disappoints me with Lewis
50:55
is that he performed really well at the end of the season, which is
51:00
causing this helium that you could see it coming, like I think I wrote
51:02
about it. I think I'm sure you did. Of I think it was
51:07
probably early or probably late August, where like you could see that he was
51:13
the things were clicking, that he had made some adjustments and like he was
51:15
finally healthy and doing some things and it was really exciting. It's like,
51:20
man, this is the guy who can flying to the radar the last month
51:22
the season and he is going to be a steal at pick like eighty seventy
51:29
somewhere in there next year. And he just went off hit grand slams left
51:34
and right, and he was making news everywhere and even during the time when
51:38
people are looking the other way, for fantasy football. So unfortunately, like
51:43
I do actually like him, I actually do like him better than Ellie.
51:46
And I'm slightly higher than that jazz typeism type position within the draft, but
51:54
not by much. So maybe to like the Bo Baschett JOSEL two b t
52:00
yep, right right there, Like if I'm taken there, I'm probably taking
52:02
al two ve Lewis and them to set is probably where where I would be
52:07
going. And that's just because I'm high on all two ve low on the
52:10
shed, But I think that's the right type of area for me for Royce
52:15
Lewis. But he's going He's going a decent amount higher than that right now.
52:21
And that's a combination of youth and recency bias, that's all. That's
52:25
all it is. When you got a guy likes l twov, you can
52:30
pick up who's gonna hit almost three hundred. He's he's gonna play almost every
52:35
game. Like, yeah, you're you're missing out on something there. Take
52:38
this take the safe bet. Uh, don't be playing with house money on
52:43
this one. Yeah, And so I I think that that price will probably
52:50
settle down a little bit as the kind of fantasy baseball world gets further and
52:57
further along here towards the twenty twenty four season. But I don't think it's
53:00
gonna drop much below like pick forty and yeah, I don't even know actually
53:07
that maybe thirty five, like Royce Lewis, is going to be a very
53:10
very hot name once you line up. Like I said, it's pretty easy
53:14
to double those career statistics and see what a full season at peak could look
53:19
like. Yeah, especially when you see a guy that's stroke cut rking on
53:22
the low twenties. You know, his stack cast numbers all look pretty solid,
53:27
and you know he's you know, he was a number one pick.
53:29
Like all these things add up that he's just got growth and so yeah,
53:34
it's it's easy. It's really easy to be excited and look at what he
53:37
can do for you. And in almost all aspects of he did even run
53:40
a little bit, which is not something I really entirely expected from Lewis after
53:45
all the injury issues he's had. So, like I said, I really
53:49
like Royce Lewis, I just don't like him at the price that he's he's
53:52
currently being charged. Just I'm not as far off as I was on Elle
53:59
here. Yeah, I think that makes sense and so the next one that
54:02
we have is I think it's a little bit more of a hidden land mine
54:07
because the surface stats actually from this past year put this guy twenty fifth.
54:13
Let me check again, twenty fifth on our rasball player Raider for total value
54:17
for twenty twenty three, and so he's being drafted thirtieth overall right now.
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And that's Luis Castillo picture from the Mariners, which if that is, you
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know, what we could expect from him going forward in terms of this year
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that you know, he put up a three thirty four ra over one hundred
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and ninety seven innings, which I think that's really a lot of where the
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value came from was pumping out all those innings this past year compared to everybody
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else, and he did it at a rate of ten k's per nine to
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give him a total strikeout number of two nineteen this year. So it was
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a really nice year with those fourteen wins for Luis Castillo, But I think
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you and I are a little bit worried about those underlying numbers in terms of
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what's going behind the ray and behind that wonderful strikeout rate. And maybe not
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the strikeout rays much, but just like the overall, Era grew. What
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do you see in those numbers that really could portend some problems here if you're
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taking Louis Castillo around the thirtieth pick, yeah, I think that what there's
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a number of concerning things at that at that point. First of all,
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I think your point's right, Like it's a volume play. He had fourteen
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wins and he pitched only nearly two hundred innings, and so strikeouts and the
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wins are really caring here. Don't be wrong, good Era. But if
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you start to look and I'm not even looking like deep under the covers here
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with loss to you, like his fastball velocity is the lowest it's been in
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five years. It's his his x CRA, his his x FIP, all
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those the worst they've been in five or six years. He had BEBA two
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sixty seven, which is lowest that's been in five years. And the one
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that really jumps out is he's traditionally been a ground ball pitcher, and his
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career ground ball rates over fifty percent, including this year. This year he
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was at thirty nine percent out in Seattle, which is really opening him up.
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He had an actually relatively low home run for a fly ball rate for
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his career this year, and so he's but he had a lot more home
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runs per nine because he was giving so many more fly balls, and so
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he is teetering on the edge of things that if all the pieces don't come
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together, not returning that value, and he's going off of what the fifth
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pitcher on the board, number five, And I think a lot of that
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goes to as you mentioned, it goes to the rating this year and not
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as many pitchers pitching deep into the season. But it's like you're you're talking
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about Louis Castillo in the same breadth of Corbyn Burns and Zach Wheeler and Zach
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Gallon and guys like that, and I'm just it just doesn't feel right to
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me. Yeah, I mean, it's not like he's that far off,
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but he's a he's a guy that really should be going maybe two three rounds
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later at this point in time. So I'm I'm a little nervous and I'd
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much rather wait around another like you know, twenty thirty picks for an Aaron
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Nola or Freddie Peralta or a Codea singajzos Lozardo, those kind of guys.
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There's a lot more in the mid rounds. That excites me just as much
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as Louis Castillo. Yeah, and I I agree with you obviously, that's
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why he's on our Land Minds list. But this was very scientific, by
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the way. Yeah, but I think the barrel rate this year also really
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shot up. It went up to a career high night point four percent,
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when traditionally it had been in the mid fs during twenty nineteen to twenty twenty
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one, and shot up to a little bit to six point eight percent in
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twenty twenty two nine point four percent, and twenty twenty three also put up
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a career worse forty one point eight percent hard hit rate. So there was
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a lot of luck that Luis Castillo ran into. And maybe it is Julia
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Rodriguez out there shagging balls for him at center field, But I don't like
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that trending of where the hard contacts going. And this is a little bit
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more of a softer thing. But as I've played immaculate grid bore and more
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like, this really stands out when you see somebody back in the day that
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put up some amazing sy young season, like I think of Mike Scott or
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Steve Stone, where these huge, monstrous, large volume Cy Young seasons come
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out of nowhere and they were throwing two hundred and fifty, two hundred and
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seventy innings and then like you look at the rest of their career and they
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totally flame out because they just pushed it so hard in that one year that,
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I mean, one hundred and ninety seven innings. I know it sounds
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weak that, like I'm worried about that compared to what I just rouled off
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for like Scott and Steve Stone back in the day. But there's a reason
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lots of dudes aren't throwing that many innings nowadays, and that's not I don't
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think something I like to see is a career high in innings like that,
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because I think it really does come pretty downhill from there. Especially you know,
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Luis Castillo is getting past thirty. He just turned thirty this year,
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and so it kind of things are going to start fading, and he's showing
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a lot of those signs of that fade starting now. Yeah, So let's
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hit the similar