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The Way Home S4E8 · Girls Gone Hallmark | Hallmark Movie Reviews

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Girls Gone Hallmark, a Hallmark review podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Megan and I'm a longtime Hallmark fan. I'm Wendy. I'm
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  Speaker 1: a former Hallmark hater. On today's episode, we are discussing
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  Speaker 1: The Way Home, Season four, episode eight, Tainted Love, which
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  Speaker 1: originally aired on the Hallmark Channel on Sunday, June seventh,
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  Speaker 1: and is now streaming on Hallmark Plus. Fingers crossed. It
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  Speaker 1: aired last night with no glitches over on Friendly. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's hope, huh, it's fundy. I've seen many people reference
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  Speaker 1: I was affected by the Friendly blackout. It's so weird.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen that happen before. Have an either. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if it was across all channels or just a
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  Speaker 1: Hallmark glitch. You know that's a yeah, yeah, good question.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to participate in our listener mailbag episode
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  Speaker 1: Sitting in your thoughts about the Way Home, you can
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  Speaker 1: two nine eight zero nine zero. I want to hop
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  Speaker 1: right into it. Yeah you ready for synopsis? I am
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  Speaker 1: as Kat works to piece together what lies ahead, Elliott
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  Speaker 1: tries to learn more about Tessa as he does his
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  Speaker 1: best to reconnect with his mom. Hey, Wendy, what's your
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  Speaker 1: first impression of this episode? Tainted Love? The writers looked
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  Speaker 1: at Elliott this week and said, you know what, let's
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  Speaker 1: make this worse for him. So I have two verse
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  Speaker 1: impressions and I couldn't commit, so I'm reading both. The
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  Speaker 1: first is Elliott gets his own? Did I do that
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  Speaker 1: moment this week? Yes? Or my other verse impression is
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  Speaker 1: drink every time I write? But what does that mean
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  Speaker 1: in my hose? Yeah, lots of non answers. I love
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  Speaker 1: the did he get his own? Did I do that moment?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you? You know, I just want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: Elliott for a second. I know it sounds like we
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  Speaker 1: can clown on him a lot, especially me. I enjoy
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  Speaker 1: his character and in this episode I was like, damn, dude,
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  Speaker 1: can't catch a break. I know, he's just trying so hard.
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  Speaker 1: He's like I thought I thought I was gonna fix it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the whole problem with the time traveling
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  Speaker 1: is that these time travelers they get so hyper fixated
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  Speaker 1: on fixing things and it makes it worse. So maybe
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  Speaker 1: we are not to go fiddle with things. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: isn't that the message behind many many time traveling stories
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  Speaker 1: that are told, yeah, you go back to fix it
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  Speaker 1: and you end up messing something else up, Like we've
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  Speaker 1: all seen Back to the Future where he comes back
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  Speaker 1: in Hill Valley is like a waste land. Right, let's
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  Speaker 1: kick off our discussion and let's talk about our boy Elliott. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Last week when Kat returned, we had some thoughts about
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  Speaker 1: Elliott letting her go oh yeah and sending the message
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  Speaker 1: like cat wait. I think we get a repeat of
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  Speaker 1: that scene. They showed again more from Elliot's perspective, and
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  Speaker 1: it's so obvious that it was intentional. I am still
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  Speaker 1: pissed that he said cat wait because that leaves her
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  Speaker 1: spinning out, thinking like she she left him behind and
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  Speaker 1: it was all intentional, and that is not cool. I
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  Speaker 1: think when they return back to the present spoiler alert,
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  Speaker 1: Kat and Elliott returned back to the present day in
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  Speaker 1: this episode, they're not holding hands. Did you notice? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I did not. I remember someone jumped in this episode
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  Speaker 1: not holding hands, and I remember thinking should maybe holding
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  Speaker 1: hands if they're trying to go to the same place. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. So we see the effects of Elliot
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  Speaker 1: sticking around in nineteen twenty five to connect with Daryl Mom,
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  Speaker 1: who's not really having it. No, I mean they do
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  Speaker 1: get some They have some moments Tessa and Elliott, which
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get to, but I want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the scene where Elliott's playing the piano for Fern and
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  Speaker 1: Cliff as they're dancing, and he goes on and he
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  Speaker 1: plays at Cindy Laupper song Time after Time, which I hate.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm a Cindy Lapper hater. Actually, Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: you hate that song? I do. Yeah, I love that song.
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  Speaker 1: I just do. I don't know why. Anyway, I did
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  Speaker 1: think it was nice how like Tessa was watching from
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  Speaker 1: the back, and then we get like this full circle
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  Speaker 1: moment later she's like, I used to sing that song
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  Speaker 1: too when you were a baby, blah blah blah blah whatever,
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  Speaker 1: or she hadn't heard that song a long time. I
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  Speaker 1: just thought that was They haven't done a ton this season,
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  Speaker 1: but I love when they like weave in like musical references. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: my notes say that this scene. I can't help but
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  Speaker 1: feel like this is the show getting back to its
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  Speaker 1: roots in this scene. Yeah, because there's scenes later in
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  Speaker 1: this episode specifically the Bootlegger raid where I feel like
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  Speaker 1: this isn't the show we started watching four years ago,
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  Speaker 1: Like we've come so far from that. But in this scene,
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  Speaker 1: remember season one, we would talk about the music and
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  Speaker 1: how that was such a core element of what this
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  Speaker 1: show is. Yeah, and so I just felt like that
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  Speaker 1: just brought us full circle back to that moment. The
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  Speaker 1: song itself is I think perfect for this moment, whether
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  Speaker 1: you like Cyndya Lapper or not. Obviously, time after time,
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  Speaker 1: maybe a little on the nose, but that I was sweet. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: me too. I have more thoughts on Elliet. Yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what I appreciated about this episode. Yes, we have now
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  Speaker 1: found Tessa, and so now we're transitioning into Elliott trying
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  Speaker 1: to understand Tessa. Mm hmm, what makes her tick? Why
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  Speaker 1: did she leave? Like getting more answers and I'm like
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  Speaker 1: so thankful that that is happening. When Tessa and Elliott
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  Speaker 1: are on the porch and we get maybe one of
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  Speaker 1: the most like revealing not revealing scenes, but we get
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  Speaker 1: some answers, but not a full answers. For example, we
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  Speaker 1: get Tessa's version of events she and Griffin jumped, they
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  Speaker 1: landed in eighteen eighty two, she got very sick. Griffin
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  Speaker 1: then I guess, jumped to the future, so not the future,
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  Speaker 1: back to present day so he could get her medicine,
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  Speaker 1: but then never returned. Right. She's stuck there and the
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  Speaker 1: Landryes took her in. Is that correct? Yes? Yes, because
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  Speaker 1: she said I went the only place I could think
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  Speaker 1: and she stumbles up outside the Landry farmhouse, but we
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  Speaker 1: never see it. We don't know who those Landries are
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  Speaker 1: at that point either, right, No, because Jacob was earlier
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  Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds correct, Uh huh, yes, so she's not overlapping
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  Speaker 1: with Jacob the descendants of Elijah Landry, right, yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure it fully matters. It doesn't. No, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't not to me. But like, okay, at finally we're
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  Speaker 1: getting some like now we have an understanding. We still
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  Speaker 1: don't know why she and Griffin jumped, right, We don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the connection was there, other than maybe Griffin
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  Speaker 1: was in love with her or what she was running
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  Speaker 1: from or those are things we don't still understand. And then,
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  Speaker 1: of course Elliott drops, well, how did you get that
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  Speaker 1: letter to me? Yes, you mailed the ring back. She
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  Speaker 1: has no idea what he's talking about this is my
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  Speaker 1: first but what does that mean? No, it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: now we're gonna this is gonna be hanging out there right.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing that's interesting to me here is Elliott
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  Speaker 1: asks if she was in love with Griffin. She doesn't
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  Speaker 1: answer that question, but she does say that Vic was
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  Speaker 1: always good to her, so apparently his emotionally abusive ways
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  Speaker 1: came later. Yeah, too, about Elliott, it's like, well, he
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  Speaker 1: was tear to me. Thanks for that, Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I just wish we had more, you know. I'm curious
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  Speaker 1: from you. Do you think she's telling the truth here
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  Speaker 1: or is she telling in like a version that she
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  Speaker 1: wants Elliott to hear, like maybe hoping that this will
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  Speaker 1: satisfy Well. I think she's telling the truth, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think she's telling enough of it yet. We still
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  Speaker 1: don't have a reason why she left mm hmm. And
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  Speaker 1: she seems like such a different person, like this hardened
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  Speaker 1: anti criminal is such a different person from this kind
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  Speaker 1: of ethereal Tessa that we knew in the eighties. I
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  Speaker 1: think there's still a lot of questions. I think she's
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  Speaker 1: doling out the information she's willing to give him at
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  Speaker 1: this point, but she doesn't know, Elliott, and I have
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  Speaker 1: to assume, as tough as she's acting, that there is
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  Speaker 1: some shame about what has happened, I would hope. So
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  Speaker 1: perhaps she's not quite comfortable giving him all of the information.
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  Speaker 1: I just there's more to tell. I don't think she's
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  Speaker 1: lying to him, but she's clearly not giving him all
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  Speaker 1: of the information. Yeah. The other key thing here is
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  Speaker 1: that Elliott, he was kind of like, well, I thought
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna stay and connect with my mom. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. So maybe I'll just help her
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  Speaker 1: out by joining in this bootlegging operation because I know
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  Speaker 1: that I get arrested. I'm just shaking my head right now. First,
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  Speaker 1: smart guy, why is what? What are you doing? Dude? Well,
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  Speaker 1: so here's my question. Elliot sees the photo of himself
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  Speaker 1: with the article titled the Big Fish. Yeah, he knows
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  Speaker 1: it's inevitable, right, But we also see that Fern is
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  Speaker 1: the one who gives Elliot the pseudonym Tom Buchanan, which
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  Speaker 1: is from the Great Gatsby, And so Elliott what Elliot
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  Speaker 1: didn't know when he sees in present day the article
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  Speaker 1: about the big Fish getting caught Elliot's on the front
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  Speaker 1: page of the newspaper, but it calls that person Tom
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  Speaker 1: you can and Elliott doesn't know who Tom Buchanan is.
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  Speaker 1: He could only assume based on the photo that it's him.
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  Speaker 1: So Elliott's like, well, I get arrested, so I guess
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  Speaker 1: I do need to participate in this bootlegging operation. So
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  Speaker 1: let me hop in the mix. Eh. It just it's messy,
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  Speaker 1: super messy. And the other thing that's interesting to me
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  Speaker 1: about all this time travel that has has kind of
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  Speaker 1: twisted my head up in knots. And this goes for Elliott,
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  Speaker 1: this goes for Cat, This goes for any time one
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  Speaker 1: of our time travelers knows for a fact that they
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  Speaker 1: return for some event or another for whatever reason. Elliott
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  Speaker 1: sometimes would kind of let Alison on the fact that
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  Speaker 1: know you were there for this. Elliott knows he was
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  Speaker 1: there in New Year's Eve. There's all these other moments.
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  Speaker 1: Kat knows that she goes back because she ends up
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  Speaker 1: on the film reel. All of these moments they know
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  Speaker 1: are going to happen, and they know they have to
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  Speaker 1: go back. For me, that would drive personally me crazy
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  Speaker 1: if I were living as a time traveler, is how
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  Speaker 1: do I know when I'm supposed to jump in the pond.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, does it not matter because the pond's going
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  Speaker 1: to take me where I need to go? Do I
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  Speaker 1: need to jump every single day knowing that I go
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  Speaker 1: back because present day time has nothing to do with
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  Speaker 1: past time. Right, So that's one of those things that
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  Speaker 1: we can't really explain, but gets in my head because
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  Speaker 1: I think, well, how do you know? Because we know
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  Speaker 1: in this episode we'll flash forward, we'll flash back to
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  Speaker 1: the present day, and Cat's like, it's been a month
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  Speaker 1: and I haven't gone back. Yeah. Right, if you were
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  Speaker 1: a time traveler, would you jump in the pond every
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  Speaker 1: single day knowing that I go back at some point?
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  Speaker 1: Probably I have no patience. Yeah, otherwise, like what if
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  Speaker 1: you didn't? You know what I mean? But maybe like
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  Speaker 1: fate would take you to the pond anyway if you
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  Speaker 1: were to go back, like, ah, I don't know, because
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  Speaker 1: then I feel like then you're trying. If you're jumping
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  Speaker 1: every day, then you're trying to insert yourself in the path. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'm overthinking this now. I hear you. I hear you.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's time travel is complicated. They did, It's complicated.
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  Speaker 1: A real question do you think time travel is possible? Oh? No,
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  Speaker 1: do do? Do? Put your tinfoil cap on? I mean
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  Speaker 1: it would be cool as hell? Or would it? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I don't like to think
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  Speaker 1: about that because I've seen too many instances where it's
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  Speaker 1: used for nefarious purposes, and I don't like to think
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  Speaker 1: about bad actors participating in time travel. Yes, yes, if
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  Speaker 1: it's only Kat going back to find her missing brother. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: but we live in twenty twenty six and people are
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  Speaker 1: not all good. Yes? Should we move on? Are we
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  Speaker 1: done with Elliott a little bit? Yes? Okay, well let's
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  Speaker 1: go to the boot leg bust. Let's do it now.
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  Speaker 1: Here's where I'm bad at sopping mysteries. Like, I just
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  Speaker 1: didn't even connect about Cliff being out of town me
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  Speaker 1: either either, until Grayson says, oh, Cliff's lying to y'all,
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  Speaker 1: And then Fern's like, is he lying because he knows?
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  Speaker 1: He knows we got we gotta get to the still
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  Speaker 1: and stop them. Didn't see any of that coming. Nope,
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  Speaker 1: neither did I all. I was thinking though that, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, really, he's going out of town to get
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  Speaker 1: a copp a word? Are we doing this for being
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  Speaker 1: what kind of cough like he's not very good. Apparently
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  Speaker 1: he's made the most arrests. Blah blah. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but agreed. But then of course we have Cat, who's
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  Speaker 1: like at a no finesse runs up on the scene.
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  Speaker 1: I know, every single damn time, every single time. And
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  Speaker 1: then of course there's an undercover cop in the mix
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  Speaker 1: whips out his batch and then comes Cliff, and I
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  Speaker 1: love the like Tess is the boss, not Grayson. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is okay. You mentioned it earlier. You're like, this
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  Speaker 1: is the show. We were not sold on this kind
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  Speaker 1: of show ye season one, So did you hate all
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  Speaker 1: of this or what doesn't work for you? I didn't
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  Speaker 1: hate it, but I was taken a little bit out
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  Speaker 1: of the moment by myself. When they're running away, really
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  Speaker 1: we have a lot of chaos, and part of that
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  Speaker 1: chaos is Cliff coming upon them, and he realizes that
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  Speaker 1: Fern and Cat are mixed up in this, and he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want to believe even though I think he had
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  Speaker 1: his suspicions because Fern was involved with Grayson, and he
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  Speaker 1: suspected that Grayson was the big fish of it all,
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  Speaker 1: which may still be because as a smart listener points
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  Speaker 1: it out, Grayson controls the newspaper, so who knows, but
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  Speaker 1: we do know that Elliott was involved. Anyway, It's confusing
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  Speaker 1: in that moment as they're running, as the cops are
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  Speaker 1: getting them as cliffs like get away, I thought, wow, this,
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  Speaker 1: this bootleg operation has come so far, because at first,
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  Speaker 1: arriving at the speakeasy in nineteen twenty five was a
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  Speaker 1: nice way to set up the place of it all,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like Jasper's Van is a nice way to
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  Speaker 1: firmly place us in the seventies. But now it's not
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  Speaker 1: just so we have a speakeasy. We have this entire
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  Speaker 1: bootleg operation. We have Percy and Little Mow and Grayson
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  Speaker 1: and Tessa who were all involved well capone capone Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it just feels like an entirely different story. Now
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: again back to our listener mailbag. Another writer in her
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  Speaker 1: pointed out, look, they have to give all of these
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  Speaker 1: characters that they're introducing their own storylines. Tessa can't exist
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  Speaker 1: in the past in a vacuum. She needs to have
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  Speaker 1: been doing something. There has to have been a reason,
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  Speaker 1: and there kind of needs to be conflict that leads
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  Speaker 1: to her potentially not wanting to return, or it wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: really be satisfying if Elliott shows up in nineteen twenty
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  Speaker 1: five and she's like my baby and they hug and
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  Speaker 1: that's it fair. So I do understand the reason for
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  Speaker 1: it all. But I also do feel like when I
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  Speaker 1: think about the Way Home, I can't go back help
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  Speaker 1: but go back to season one and all those iconic
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  Speaker 1: nineties moments and the developing of those friendships, and I
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: just think we've we've come a long way. The show
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  Speaker 1: has become something different than what it was when we
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  Speaker 1: first started, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. It
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  Speaker 1: just has grown into something different. Right now, My next
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  Speaker 1: question is when Fern jumps in front of Cliff, right,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody's trying to get away on foot, Like
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I'm just rolling my eyes. I'm like, are they running
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: to the pod? Where are they going? Where are they
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: going to hide in Port Haven? Surest of all, like
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  Speaker 1: where are they going to get away to? But Fern
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  Speaker 1: jumps in and she like makes her plea or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and Cliff lets them go. Now Cliff's doing this for Fern, right, Yes, yes,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: you know I kind of liked it. Sure, And this
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: is again like not you know, we talked about relationships
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: were interested in. We had a writer in her who
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm only invested in Max and Alice, and
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's the relationship we're interested in. But
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: are we not interested in Fern and Cliff too, because
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of where does that lead? I'm very intrigued
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  Speaker 1: by them absolutely too. There was a comment on YouTube
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  Speaker 1: that was like, why do these women all keep their
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: last name? Fern should take her husband's last name, and
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I replied back, that assumes that Burn gets married. We
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: don't have any proof of that Ern has a child,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: but we have no proof that Ern gets married to anybody. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The other interesting thing that happens in this moment another
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  Speaker 1: but what does that mean? Moment for me is as
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: they're running away, Elliott doesn't want to leave Tessa behind,
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  Speaker 1: and Kat is like, yo, she left you behind, and
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  Speaker 1: Tessa comes in and says, no, no, she didn't. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I picked that up too. I was like, why is
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  Speaker 1: Tessa referring? Is Tessa referring to herself as she or
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  Speaker 1: is she referring to somebody else? Oh that's interesting. I
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: didn't well, that's interesting. I didn't take it as her
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  Speaker 1: referring it to someone else. I just thought Kat was
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  Speaker 1: talking about her and the third person, so Tessa runs up.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, But what does that mean that Tessa
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  Speaker 1: didn't leave him behind? What does that mean? I don't know?
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  Speaker 1: But is that fair for Kat to be like, Yo,
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  Speaker 1: she left you, so you can leave her too. It's
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  Speaker 1: a little unfair. But Kat has proven that her allegiance
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  Speaker 1: is to Elliott, and I appreciate that. I do too.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no love lost between Kat and Tessa, no,
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  Speaker 1: And I can appreciate that Cat is riding hard for
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  Speaker 1: her man and it is like, you broke his so
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to come a long way in order
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: for me to forgive that. Yeah. So do you think
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: it's interesting that Tessa's like, I'm not interested in coming
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: to present day? Okay, so that kind of brings us
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: to our next like the goodbye that isn't Yes, Elliott
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: kind of assumes like you're gonna come back with me,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: like we're going to be a family. I how does
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: that explain to everybody? How does that a great question?
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Here's my mom, she's been missing for the last forty
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: plus years and now she's back in poor haven great question.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: The other thing is I can kind of understand Tessa's
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: point of view. She's lived here for forty years, and
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: while it's certainly not perfect, it is her life. It
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: is her life. Yeah, yeah, you know, I don't know,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Like what what would Elliott truly hope for? Like Tessa
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: comes back to present day twenty twenty six, right, or
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: we'll just call it present day. She's not gonna just
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: like assimilate back into this like mother role. She's not
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: gonna become Dell. Right, what is he expecting here? Well?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Do you think time with her? Yeah? Do you think
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Elliott kind of has the equivalent of children hoping their
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: parents will get back together, their divorced parents will get
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: back together. This idyllic If I want it badly enough,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: it will be true and not thinking through the reality
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: of it. Just this would make my life better and happier.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: And this is the dream for what I want from
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: my life. And therefore, why wouldn't she want that? Forget
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: all the other obstacles? Yeah, I mean that we can
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: maybe his take we could be a family. Why wouldn't
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: she want that? Yeah? Yeah, I'm trying to take it
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: from like Tessa's side, too, like, yeah, there's no way
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: like this, this is where my life is, this is
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: what I'm doing. Why would I go back even Well,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and from Tessa's point of view too, there are going
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to be people. First of all, Vic still exists in
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Yes, Dell exists in twenty twenty six,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and these people aren't going to look kindly on Tessa's actions,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: So I can understand her being a little bit hesitant
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to go back to that. I mean, I think Tessa's
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: only motivation to go back is if she's trying to
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: evade the law. In twenty twenty great back, yay, you know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: not in twenty twenty five. In nineteen twenty five, yea absolutely,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and a little bit of Elliott, But again, I mean
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: not enough. Though she has known that Elliott has existed
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: many many years, it has not ever been enough to
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: try to go back correct And while there is some softening,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: largely in the time after time moment where she talks
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: about how she used to sing that, there doesn't seem
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to be a lot of yearning for a relationship with
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: her son on her part, right, And I think there's
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: more to the story there, But she and Elliott are
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: not in the same place. But this ends with Elliott
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: saying maybe here December twenty. First, we go to the
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Lingermore Park together, which is weird. He's grasping to what
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: he has, right, he knows he's there for that, so
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: let's make a plan. Yes, But this is what I
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: don't understand, Like he knows he gets arrested at that party,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: but he's telling his mom like, oh, meet me here
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: at this party, just so like we can see each
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: other again. Well, perhaps that and perhaps if he's not there,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: what has happened will always happen. But perhaps he feels
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: like he's going to take the fall for her because
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Elliot's not the big fish Tessa is. Yeah, so he
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: wants to be the savior and take the fall for her.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: My brain's just working right now. I have a couple
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: other thoughts on Elliott and Tessa. He does bring up
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the clock in the wall, much like he brings up
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the letter in the ring, and Tessa has no idea
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: what he's talking about. Yes, again, what does that mean?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: The other thing is what's interesting is Tessa was gonna
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: leave Port Haven with the circus. Yeah, and so how
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: is she going to be running this bootlegging operation. Oh yeah,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, she does leap, doesn't she leave
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: and comes Yeah, she does leave with the circus and
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: then comes back and she says, oh, the Augie boys
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: have told me that you've been working for them and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you've done a good job, right, You've earned their trust. Yeah? Yeah,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: but there Yeah, how is I guess she's running it
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: from Afar with telephones. Maybe she's communicating with Capone on
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the circus circle point. Oh my god. Okay, let's take
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: a break and we're going to come right back to
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: continue this discussion of episode eight. All right, it's time
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: for the key? Is the key? Did you laugh when
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: like Kat's like, oh I did, I did? Okay, this
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: is what in this Like I did? Like how like
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: rapid it was happening like rapid revelations. Yeah. Though it
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: just reminded me that this entire season there's been these big,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: like Scooby Doo reveal moments that I don't love. Huh.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: But I think it's because like they need to progress
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the story along. But it just makes me roll my
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: eyes a little bit. You feel like it was too quick.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I just hate when it's like and then and this
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and that's what it all means, you know what I mean?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Right anyway, especially Kat saying Fern said she was just
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the messenger. Yeah, it's like, do people really have like those,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you know, realizations? Yes, yes, SIG's under clap like yes, yeah,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know, not often, not as often
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: as they do in the show. But I'm not also
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: solving mysteries constantly, but just every week when we have
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: a mystery to all on, which I never do. So I
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: thought it was interesting. I knew it was some sort
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: of key, like the words and the letters were, but
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I kind of assumed that it was maybe in Cliff's letter,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: but it's in Fern's columns and these ts Eliot quotes
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that she was using, which was, what's such a clever
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: tie in? I think? Yeah, the code that they decode
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: New Year's Eve job botched. You know, I'm such a dummy,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Like I kept like pausing it, like I was going
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to figure it out before like the big and when
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it got to like n y E, I was like,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: New Years such a dummy. The tunnels destroyed five souls
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: in four out. Tessa gone, okay, but this drove me
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: nuts here because Kasin had to explain to Elliott the song.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe was just singing. I would pick two
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: episodes like he was just seeing it. Yes, I really
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: writed a Bravo editor to cut in with the scene
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: of Nick and Elliot I who went in and then
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: four came out. Now, Tessa gone obviously has a double
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: meaning here because it could mean she's the fifth soul, yes,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: or it could mean she bounced. Yeah. I think they
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: want us to believe that she was the one that
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: was killed in the Lingolmore explosion. I think it's she's
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: just gone. Yeah, I took care of me looking out
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: for number one. Yeah, exactly. I think Elliott believes that
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: she's she's the fifth soul and this is his Did
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I do that moment where he realizes, oh no, I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: told her to come there and perhaps this is going
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: to be a big problem. Yes, But now it's going
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: to be a bigger problem because now I was going
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to try to go back and like fix it so
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: she doesn't get killed. Do you see what I mean?
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Like to keep tinkering, But what I did, what will
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: happen is always going to happen, right, So indeed, well,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: let's talk about Jacob and Abbey. Look, I don't hate
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: this storyline as much as you do. It was better
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: for me. Here is a thing. I think Jacob and
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Abby are so beautiful. To look at Abby, that actress
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: is stunning. I agree. Every time she speaks, I just
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: find myself going, huh, say more, you're so funny, You're like,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I think she's very pretty. I do wish we had
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a whole another season for this relationship to develop. And
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: it's not like a wham bam situation. You know, these
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: two now believe that they're in love with each other. Great,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: they've had this like torrid affair happening, you know, up
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: in the hayloft. Yeah, you know where is Lewis? Don't
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: know off the payroll? Is he not at lingermore Is
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: because he's about to launch a sparkling wine. I just
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: think we have I think he's just existing off screen.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I thought it was really funny how Abby goes to
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: dinner and she's just stepping into like saying the wrong
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: things every single time. I was like, she's trying. You know,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you just have those moments right, absolutely, And I don't think.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think Dell is I mean, Dell's not a
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: terrible person, like she realizes what's happening. She's not like, oh,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Abby's awful, you know, because she's saying these things. I
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: just thought it was so funny. I was like, oh
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Abby just you know, she's she tries to compliment Dell.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: She's trying to smooth the path, and every single thing
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: she says is it is a dig at Dell's quiet,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: simple cut. I don't know how you have the time
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to pot don't that is like, yeah, don't yeah, And
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: then Delle kind of was like, well, I wouldn't expect
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: a city like mouse like you to understand. And Sam
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: tries to kind of like, yeah, but I don't. I don't.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I don't uh, I don't sense like real beef between
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: these you. Dell doesn't operate like that. No, And I
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: think Dell just wants Jacob to be happy, but she
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: kind of does need to get it back a little
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: bit of course. Of course. Now, what are your thoughts
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: on Jacob realizing that, like you know, Abby's from Toronto,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: she may not want to stay in Port Haven. I
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: thought it was a little shortsighted for Jacob to be
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: shocked by that announcement. I thought so to visiting Port
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Haven to help your dad out. So Jacob made the
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: leap that now you've moved here full time. Why have
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: we not had this discussion? How long are you in town?
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: What are your plans? Are you going to continue working
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: for Goodwin's good Want? When are you going back? What
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: are we talking about? You are an adult? Why have
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you not had this conversation? I know because I imagine these
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: two just canoodling up in the hayloft with nothing but
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: time to talk about themselves and their lives and whatever, like,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: how did we miss this big piece of the puzzle.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: My favorite line of the episode when Jacob comes to
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Abby with an apology about how we can make it work. Essentially,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: you know, he says, you know, we can make long distance.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Where he goes there are telephones now. Did you hear
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: him saying, yeah, I know, it's funny, like they have
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: to always give Jacob like these like fish out of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: water lines. Yeah, so it's funny there are telephones now,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: which is kind of like a you could see somebody saying,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: like telephones exist. It's you know, yeah, it sounds like sarcasms. Yes,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: it just made me laugh. Yeah, and then this kind
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: of ends with Abby saying, well, it looks like I'm
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: going to need to tell my dad about you. Now
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I have a question. Does Jacob ever need to tell
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Abby about the pond, especially if Casey is in fact
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: their child and he has to if he's going to
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: keep the secret of the pond, does he have to
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: not let on the fact that he met their child
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: in the past. Or will Jacob's memories of Casey be
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: similar to Cat's memories about Oh? Good question, Hey, nay,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: good questions. I do say it is necessary for Jacob
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: to keep the secret of the pond from an Abbey
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: because Jacob has no business going back in the pond.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: He doesn't need to write, correct, he doesn't need to
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: time travel. Can you imagine that conversation? Let me tell
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: you I've met our child, Yeah, twenty years growing up
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: in the past, not just off the grid. Yeah, it
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: sounds crazy, of course, it sounds nuts. You know. I'm like,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: this could be a total season five, like, come on now,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: of how they would navigate this, I don't know, And
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I love the idea that, like Jacob's memories of Casey
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: would be similar to Cats of Alice. I don't know though,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: because you know, Jacob's a full adult, not that that's true.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Young Cat wasn't an almost adult as well. Well, I
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: don't know. Jacob is a full little who also knows
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: that Casey is a time traveler, whereas a young cat
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: or knew that of Alice. So wasn't operating with I
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: need to remember this for my future daughter. No seriously.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: And I just had like a thought about like a
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: friend that I was friends with in sixth grade. I'm like,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: what if that was a time traveler? You know, I
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have I wouldn't have known any difference, and if
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: that person came back into my life, I would be like,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I don't remember you the DT murky. Sure, yeah, well
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: shall we talk about our girl Alice? Yes? Well, first
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: there's a party at the point for the forty fifth anniversary,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and they play the real and cat husband and Alice
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: have both been cut out of it. It's a Scooby
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Doo moment. Exactly, yeah, exact Evelyn must have cut it out.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting because sometimes they make they jump to
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: conclusions that are not the first conclusion I jumped to,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: h huh, or I don't have a conclusion, but they
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: immediately have cracked the case. What do you think What
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: was your conclusion to why they went I didn't really
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: have one. I mean, somebody must have cut it out.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: But I thought maybe one of them went back to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the past and did it. Got it? Yeah, I don't.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I don't really know. So Alice is like, my God,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I gotta go figure out how this happens. Gotta jump
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: back in the pond again. Gotta observed from afar spy
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: on My Friends, Dell's pregnant, Tessa's pregnant, and Evie's sad. Yeah,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I mean it was obvious. It was nicely played by
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the actress who plays ev in this moment hair she
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: looks like disassociating sitting at that table. Yeah, you know,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: she's just lonely, it seems. Yeah. And they're like toasting
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: to their kids being best friends growing up, and EV's like, yeah,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I'm all toasted out. I got a bounce. Yeah. What
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: is she upset about though? Here? Because like, well, I
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: think it's like Dell and Colton and Vic and Tessa
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: are kind of living parallel lives and Evie is she's
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: not in baby face anymore. How old is lewis? At
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: this point? We don't see Louis obviously five or six. Okay,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: so seven far, it's not that far removed. No, but
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: you're not in the baby stage. You're not raising babies
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: together like Lewis isn't going to come over and hang
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: out with the babies on their blankets together outside. Yeah,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: you know, So while I think, and I'm sure she
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: feels a little bit left out because they're both in
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: relationships and she's not, and Cole Cole Coleton is as
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: you would expect, investing his time in his family, unless
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: in his friendships, and so I think she just feels
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: left out. Yeah, And I think it paints the picture
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: of her being lonely and dying alone. We think that
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: is so sad. I'm going to need I'm going to
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: need an adult Alice visiting an adult and that, Yeah,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: something something like that. I can't just have ev out
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: here dying a lonely life. You know. Let me ask you,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: what do you think? Do you think evil he was
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the one that edited the film real and then does
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: know about Alice's time travels? So I think probably because
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Alice and Kat dated it as fact in that moment.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Uh uh huh. I think probably, But I think Alice
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: is gonna have to do another jump. We're gonna have
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: to see it happen, or at least the suggestion that
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: it happens, or at least because at this point in time,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Evie doesn't have that. Alice asked or and Evie doesn't
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: have it. She wanted it and it had been disappeared.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: We don't know who finds it. You're right, And of
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: course Evie is continuing to ask questions, why haven't you aged,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Why don't you have a phone number? This is weird?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: And then she's drunk and passes out. Who are you
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Alice in Wonderland? Yeah? Yes, so I love Evie. I
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: love the character ev Right. Is there somebody else who
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: would have had access to that? Look, Jasper's still a
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: little bit of a wild card. Is it possible he
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: could have seen the way Alice reacted to that footage
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: and edited it. It was Max, No, I don't know.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know either. I don't know when. Uh maybe,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: like kind of passes out and Alice tells her that
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: she'll she'll be there when she needs her. I was like,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: this is a setup, right, this is a setup for
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: the future. Seems like it when Evelyne is it seems
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: like it for sure. I don't know, God, I just hope, so,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I hope. So this kind of unlocks something in Alice,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and now she's all of a sudden able to write
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: a song, which she sends to Max. She and Max
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: not to the fred Or King. She didn't send it
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to him. She and Max don't seem to have communicated
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: since their blow up. The other thing is Alice tells Dell,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I saw you and you're pregnant with Cat. And I
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: feel like this scene with Alice and Dell answers some
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: of the questions that people had. Dell is the biological
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: mother of both Kat and Jacob. She talks about Cat
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: being their miracle and Jacob being their surprise, and that
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: feels like a small little loop we're closing there, like
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Alice is finally able. Oh, I finally unlocked the thing
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that's going to help me write songs. I figured out
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: who I am. Like this has been an issue all
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: season long, A little bit a necessary one, though, well.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: The only reason I think it's necessary is I think
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: it may point to Alice's future plants, Okay, whatever those
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: may be. Finally, Sam knows about the pond. I mean, duh, duh.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: You know this this episode is a bunch of tiny reveals,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: but just not quite enough. I think it's nice Dell
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: saying all I want my children are both happy. That's
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  Speaker 1: all I want in life. I wish Colton knew, and
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  Speaker 1: Sam says, what if you're tell him? Okay, she can't,
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  Speaker 1: he is dead, but she could go back back into
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the past, and that's his point. Okay, okay, all right,
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  Speaker 1: that makes sense, sort of like, did you sit up
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  Speaker 1: and get much closer to the mic in that moment?
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  Speaker 1: I did. I'm sorry, you know, it's okay. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: envisioning you getting real activated I always you know, how
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: do you think Dale's gonna take this? I don't know. Hopefully, well,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: hopefully this is not another wedge in their relationship. But
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: of course this is a cliffhanger at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the episode. How does Sam know what's his connection? Does
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: he simply know as he participated in time travel? What
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: is going on? Part of me hopes that deal goes good.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to keep that secret from you, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, so that's great, it's a
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you know, a relief. But then on the other hand,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: he could easily go the other way and be like,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: you've known all along, and you've kept these secrets, and
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: how can this relationship be built on trust? Blah blah
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah whatever. But in all fairness, she's kept
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the same secrets but totally totally. So I hope, I
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: hope there's like a okay, and now let's figure out
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: how Sam is connected to this. Yeah, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. But if Sam is is, okay, let me
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  Speaker 1: hold on, work it out, work it out. Is Sam
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  Speaker 1: a time traveler not associated with the Landryes potentially because
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: another magical geological location, geographical locations something, because like we
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: don't want Sam to technically be a Landry, do we? No? No, no, no, no,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of course I don't think Sam's Landry, I really hope.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: And how is he time traveling be at the pond?
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  Speaker 1: Or is he time traveling be at the pond if
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: he is with somebody else? Okay, Okay, Casey, Perhaps then
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Casey told Sam all this stuff well, or perhaps the
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: comparison has been made is that Sam is Casey's Elliott,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: and so Elliott knew about time travel. Elliott was deeply
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: involved with time travel but until very recently didn't time
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: travel himself. I just need to know how Sam is
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: a associated with the coins and the circus poster. Perhaps, yes,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: me too. This is the hill I'm going to die on, guys,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: You and the poster, Me and the horse. Yep, although
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I think I think we're done with the horse. Guys.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: All Right, that's a wrap on this discussion of The
• 40:21
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