Latest / Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo / Jen Nizza: An Ex-Psychic Warns About Deception, Demonic Spirits & Divination
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- 0:58Today, a treat we've had three ladies on the podcast about the new age, new heart, brand
- 1:05new podcast with Dorian Virtue, Jack Marino.
- 1:10I think it's Marino.
- 1:11Yes.
- 1:12And Jen Niesel.
- 1:13Well, we've got Jen with us today for those of you that aren't familiar with our background.
- 1:17She's an author speaker, Christian content creator.
- 1:20And she was born and raised in New York.
- 1:23She is an ex-psychic who found grace through Christ, praise God.
- 1:29And she has a beautiful daughter, Kara, and she has a podcast of her own now.
- 1:34And she's really, really, you know, going through a lot of encouragement to other believers
- 1:39and just opening people's eyes to divination, to what's wrong with being a psychic and
- 1:46being a medium and things like that from a biblical standpoint.
- 1:48We're so blessed for her journey in her ministry.
- 1:51Jen, Niesel, welcome back to World View Matters.
- 1:54Good to see you.
- 1:55Hi, David.
- 1:55Thanks for having me.
- 1:57Thanks for being here.
- 1:58And how's the new podcast going?
- 2:00You guys, it looks like you're having fun.
- 2:03Oh, we're having such a great time.
- 2:05We are, we're crushing it.
- 2:07Awesome.
- 2:08Awesome.
- 2:09Well, say hello to them to the ladies next time you get together, Dorian and Jack.
- 2:14So let's start with the basics.
- 2:17You were a psychic medium.
- 2:20For those of you that, I mean, those of our audience that are going, okay, we understand
- 2:24what a psychic is.
- 2:25They have an idea of astrology and things like that.
- 2:27But what exactly did you do and how did you get into that and just tell us your story?
- 2:33Oh, wow.
- 2:34Yeah.
- 2:35So long story short, David, as all Italians start that way, right?
- 2:38I don't care.
- 2:40Well, I'm starting short.
- 2:41Actually, the door was opened for me at a very young age and I had a tarot card reading
- 2:45myself as a young girl, a twin, rather 13, whatever that is.
- 2:50And anyway, I started seeking it out after that, which led me down such a rabbit hole
- 2:57of divination really.
- 2:58So the more I would get readings, I started giving readings.
- 3:03But at that point, that was all still psychic readings, which like you said, maybe more
- 3:08people are familiar with that are clairvoyance.
- 3:12The psychic mediumship is when you believe, because it's not true, it's a lie from the pits
- 3:18of hell, that you're communicating with deceased people with departed loved ones.
- 3:24And that started for me later on, early 20s.
- 3:29And I was told after this, I had this, I don't want to call it a vision, but through a dream,
- 3:35it was a deceased person that I believed was a deceased person anyway, communicating
- 3:41with me.
- 3:42And it was, the information was validated.
- 3:44It was related to a person that I could get the message out to, but not direct enough
- 3:50that I could have known anything.
- 3:52So after that, I went to my medium, of course, because I got many readings and that's always
- 3:57where I went for everything in my life.
- 4:00I went to divination, always.
- 4:02And of course, she said, you're a medium too, you have a gift from God, and you need
- 4:07to use it to help people.
- 4:09And I always wanted to help people, and the devil will play on that, trust me, the divination
- 4:17into a divination group, which is, I just made a video recently about how the devil recruits
- 4:21his army, psychic readings, psychic medium readings, you, I don't encourage anybody ever
- 4:27goes to them, please don't, because it's demonic, but they, it always comes out that you
- 4:33to have a gift, you need to go to the spiritual center, you should get your own crystals, you
- 4:37should get your own tarot cards, the enemy recruits his army.
- 4:40So I went, I came out, and I was doing psychic medium readings.
- 4:45I thought I was, I really thought I was communicating with dead people.
- 4:51So let's give the website, I didn't do that at the beginning.
- 4:55Instagram's website is xex psychic saved.com x psychic saved.com and her YouTube channel
- 5:04is gen x psychic, and that's where she does a lot of her videos.
- 5:09We'll talk about a recent one in just a minute, but let's go right to something that people
- 5:13are familiar with, horoscopes, horoscopes, astrology, though you seem in the coffee shop.
- 5:19It's harmless, right?
- 5:20Tell us about that and your concerns for believers to avoid these things.
- 5:24Yeah, well, astrology, first of all, is a tool of divination.
- 5:29Astrology is not astronomy.
- 5:31Astronomy is the, is science looking at the planets, so on and so forth, but not trying
- 5:36to get any sort of information from them.
- 5:39Astrology is, like I said, it's divination.
- 5:43So what people are doing is they're going towards the sun, the moon, the stars, the planets
- 5:47and believing that they have some sort of esoteric knowledge, some sort of wisdom, some
- 5:52sort of insight over their light, and people are actually relying on these astrological
- 5:59charts and horoscopes, I think it's interesting that you brought that up because that's something
- 6:04that may be blown off or brushed off as entertainment, even all of these other tools of divination
- 6:11could are seen sometimes as just entertainment or something that's just focus or bogus
- 6:17or whatever, but it's not horoscopes.
- 6:20If people go to the horoscopes, believing that they have a zodiac sign, which is complete
- 6:24nonsense, okay, you do not have a zodiac sign, you are not a zodiac sign, stars know nothing
- 6:30about you.
- 6:31These are created things.
- 6:32Horoscopes seem silly, but then what about the one day that it resonates with you and
- 6:38then you start going back to it, okay, so now you're getting sucked in and where does
- 6:42that lead you?
- 6:43The enemy is very conniving, he's very manipulative, God condemns divination and astrology as a part
- 6:50of that.
- 6:51God is clear throughout his word to steer clear, do not consult or practice the miners.
- 6:58I love what you said, stars know nothing about you, they are created things, isn't it interesting,
- 7:03Jen, and that's a lot of people pursue these things because they want knowledge, you know,
- 7:10we've got the Bible, God's word, the creator of the universe handed us his wisdom, a manual
- 7:17for life, and a lot of people will try to find it other places, and that's just a recipe
- 7:23for disaster, especially when you look into some of these things, because as you said,
- 7:28these things are demonic, I want to clarify something, when you said some people think
- 7:33they're communicating with dead people, relatives or someone else, is that considered
- 7:39like a familiar spirit, I mean, we know these are demonic spirits, but can you explain
- 7:44that, clarify that?
- 7:45Oh, yeah, absolutely.
- 7:46So familiar spirits are spirits that are familiar with your life, with your family.
- 7:53I mean, they know more about you and your ancestors that I hate to even have to say this,
- 7:59but after readings, I mean, people sometimes have to go and call up Jennifer Aniston just
- 8:03did it, I'll be making a video about it.
- 8:05But they have to go call up other family members and say, did you even know this, did you
- 8:10know that?
- 8:11And they'll say, yeah, that happened, you know, grandpa, great grandpa, these are intelligent
- 8:16ancient creatures, entities, okay, they've been around for ages and they know this information
- 8:24and they know things that happen behind closed doors when nobody else is around.
- 8:31And they're able to report that information to the psychic, to the psychic meeting.
- 8:36And they have to, because there has to be some accuracy, right?
- 8:38Otherwise, why would you believe it?
- 8:41Why would you get sucked into it?
- 8:43Is the proverbial carrot dangled in front of your face?
- 8:46Well, people, some get sucked into because they're always told something positive or, hey,
- 8:51you're going to be blessed or you have a gift, you know, they're always told something
- 8:54good and they come back from more of that, don't you think?
- 8:57Yeah, I think so of that.
- 8:59But they still, but the psychic reading still have to give you something, yes, some positive
- 9:04that sounds nice, but there's always going to be some information and this is what people
- 9:08get hung up on though, David, but they told me that thing and that was true.
- 9:11How could they have known that anything a demon has seen already?
- 9:15They can report with a hundred percent accuracy.
- 9:18And then I always go on and then there'll be predictions and demons are not omniscient.
- 9:23So they don't know the future and so this is how saddening it is and how, how it makes
- 9:30me so angry because you're going there, these people are going there deceived, blinded
- 9:35to the truth, going for the outcomes of their life.
- 9:38These are grieving people, these are vulnerable people, and then they rely on these outcomes,
- 9:43these predictions to even make decisions, David, specifically with astrology, with these
- 9:48charts and numerology and things of that nature.
- 9:51Well, I understand that if they don't have God, their creator, and the Holy Spirit to
- 9:56guide them, and then they don't, if they don't believe scripture to give them guidance
- 10:00and wisdom, they're going for something that they think, oh, okay, I can get some guidance
- 10:06this way.
- 10:07Let's talk about, well, first of all, you did a video recently because let me go back,
- 10:14let me go back in a year, I just see a video on your YouTube channel, I love it.
- 10:19It says, psychic, medium ship, isn't a gift, it's a choice, so that's an important point
- 10:27for people to understand because a lot of people have said, oh, they have this spiritual
- 10:31gift or this psychic gift, no, no, it's something that people's telling you, it's a choice.
- 10:37But I want to talk about the recent event, the eclipse, and you saw something on Fox
- 10:44news, Fox and friends that upset you, evidently they brought a psychic or a medium on, there's
- 10:48the video, thank you for rolling that.
- 10:50Look at, look at Jen, you must be Italian because your hands are flying.
- 10:55So what, so Susan Miller, most of us don't know who Susan Miller is, but she was, I
- 11:02guess, Fox and friends brought her on as the expert.
- 11:05Tell us about that and why you made a video because you were so upset.
- 11:09I was so righteously angry and I say it because it's against God, so that's where our
- 11:14righteous anger is, right?
- 11:16I'm not just angry because, you know, for no reason, I was so upset because, first of
- 11:21all, this is a news channel, okay?
- 11:24Why are you promoting divination on your news channel?
- 11:28And they're doubling down, David.
- 11:30Jesse Waters had a tarot card reader on his, okay, so now they're doubling down, they're
- 11:35going back here.
- 11:36So now, first of all, you're hyping up the eclipse, which is not a supernatural event.
- 11:42It's a natural event.
- 11:44And now you're getting hyper focused on, you know, you know, the supernatural connotation,
- 11:51which doesn't exist, bringing on astrologers, and then this astrologer was doing these
- 11:57very broad sort of readings on the host there that was just like, are you kidding me?
- 12:04I just couldn't take it.
- 12:05But I think about the people in that age range that, I mean, I know my parents used to
- 12:10love to watch Fox, whoever may be retired, you know, maybe they were watching it for politics
- 12:16or for news.
- 12:17And now they're getting a dose of divination, like, it's just bothers me so, so so much.
- 12:23So I of course wanted to make the video and get it out there.
- 12:27I'm very sad about what Fox News is doing.
- 12:30And I think that people need to be aware and educated about the dangers of divination,
- 12:35especially David, see, I get revved up every time, especially because Susan Miller
- 12:40said that she is a devout Catholic.
- 12:43So Ainsley says to her, what about how do you, yeah, thank you.
- 12:47How do you, how does this coincide with your faith?
- 12:49And this woman says, God speaks to me.
- 12:53No, he's not Susan Miller.
- 12:54So if you see my TikTok video, you'll see that I, because I, you know, my thoughts are
- 12:58the same.
- 12:59No, he's not talking to you and not practice divination and be a Christian.
- 13:06It's an oxymoron.
- 13:08There is no Christian psychic, no Christian, which, and as you said before, Christian
- 13:11astrologer, you are not born with it and it is not a gift.
- 13:15It is a choice.
- 13:17And that's fascinating because there, either there's a lack of understanding of the
- 13:21old testament.
- 13:22If someone thinks that that they can do that and be a believer, somehow, there's a disconnect.
- 13:28Anyway, we've got to take a very brief pause.
- 13:30We're with Jen Niza and her website X psychic saved dot com.
- 13:35We'll be right back.
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- 14:45conversation.
- 14:46And you were interviewed Jen by the Christian post about this.
- 14:50Tell us a little bit about that.
- 14:51How'd that go?
- 14:52I'm a little bit of a whistleblower, I think, David.
- 14:56I know.
- 14:57No, make her.
- 14:58Yeah, maybe that's I stir the pot.
- 15:00I know it was great.
- 15:02It was the interview was great.
- 15:04And I think John did a great job with the with the post, his writing was excellent.
- 15:09And I just want to go back again and just mention the danger of believing that you can be
- 15:16a Christian.
- 15:17As I said, Susan Miller says that she's a devout Catholic and saying God speaking to me is
- 15:21because imagine now people are watching this and they're not going to the Bible.
- 15:25And of course, that's all of our responsibility to go ourselves.
- 15:28But hey, maybe they're Catholic, maybe they called themselves Christian.
- 15:33And after all, she's a Christian, she's a Catholic, so she's saying it's okay.
- 15:36So hey, I'll just believe it.
- 15:38That is so super dangerous.
- 15:41That's how sneaky the devil is.
- 15:43Yeah, when we celebrated Resurrection Sunday a few weeks ago and the White House issued
- 15:50their the day of transgender visibility Easter Sunday, the White House press secretary
- 15:56said, well, Joe Biden's a devout Catholic.
- 15:58Oh, no, that actually said he's a Christian and he's going to be celebrating Easter at home
- 16:02with his family.
- 16:03And I'm thinking, okay, there's so much confusion.
- 16:05If people actually think he's a Christian, then we've got more problems than I thought.
- 16:09Go ahead and let you comment.
- 16:10We'll move on.
- 16:11Yeah, no, no, I'm just that's my Italian thing again.
- 16:14I'm very expressive.
- 16:15So yeah, I agree with you 100%.
- 16:18And it's what you see, but that's the hook, though, David.
- 16:21If the enemy will use anything, he'll use words like holy, he'll use the word Christian,
- 16:27he'll even spit out some scripture.
- 16:30The devil knows the Bible.
- 16:31The devil knows Jesus Christ, right?
- 16:33So he'll stop at nothing to accomplish his evil agenda.
- 16:38And that's just the way he does it.
- 16:40How he will use these things to deceive people.
- 16:43And that's why we have to be so aware.
- 16:45We have to first John 4.1 and test the spirits.
- 16:48If there weren't evil spirits, we wouldn't have to test the spirits, but we have to.
- 16:52Amen.
- 16:53Amen.
- 16:54Be discerning, friends.
- 16:55There's so much that we could be distracted and deceived by, but I wrote an article
- 16:59by the way on that.
- 17:00If you haven't seen that over at Harbanger's Daily Friends, the agenda to eradicate biblical
- 17:04Christianity from American culture, because what the White House did, it's very significant.
- 17:12Don't pretend that they didn't see this coming, that the Easter is on the calendar and transgender
- 17:16day of visibility was heading for Resurrection Sunday right on.
- 17:20They didn't see that coming.
- 17:21No, they, everything is planned and by design.
- 17:24So don't think that was a mistake.
- 17:26But let's move on, Jen.
- 17:27Very interesting.
- 17:28I wanted to ask you, it seems that a lot of people who go into this business, whether that
- 17:34be a psychic or a medium or in tarot cards or new age, like Doreen and others, it seems
- 17:43like there's a lot of women doing that.
- 17:46Is that an, you laugh, but is that an accurate observation?
- 17:50And if so, why do you think that is?
- 17:52That's interesting.
- 17:53I mean, because I know, I know men that do it too, but maybe that could be the sensitivity,
- 18:00the compassion women have, we're built in.
- 18:03We have a nurturing, you know, I don't know, but, you know, we have something that's a
- 18:09little bit more nurturing.
- 18:10And that's where the compassion, the vulnerability, even insecurities, because remember, there's
- 18:17an aspect of pride here when you're going into divination.
- 18:21There's an aspect of pride because remember, you become a baby God, you become powerful.
- 18:28People are coming to you, right, and you're not thinking of it that way, at all, you're
- 18:33the most humble person going, of course, but you're not.
- 18:36So I don't know, I mean, because I really hadn't thought about that, but I would think,
- 18:39because I know for myself, I was very sensitive.
- 18:43I had issues with death.
- 18:45I would get very upset, even if somebody who wasn't close to me, I would be crying to the
- 18:50point of an asthma attack.
- 18:52So sad, so compassionate, always wanted to help people.
- 18:56And of course, men do also, they're a very compassionate and kind men.
- 19:01And like I said, I have seen them in the new age here on Long Island, maybe it's out
- 19:05there in the other places, I don't know.
- 19:08So well, talk to us a little bit more about that.
- 19:10So you were giving readings to people you didn't know, obviously, for the most part.
- 19:18And you were really caring about them and feeling their pain, can you explain that?
- 19:23Absolutely.
- 19:24100%.
- 19:25And I believe that these readings, David, I believe that these were their deceased moms
- 19:29and dads and spouses, and I'm crying with these people and we're hugging at these, I remember
- 19:34my dad being a skeptic.
- 19:36And then when he would see I was doing readings from home, I was a single mom when I started.
- 19:41And he would see us outside and the hugging and the crying and the phone ringing off the
- 19:45hook and the whole thing.
- 19:47And I just really loved these people and I believed I was helping them.
- 19:51And I believed in that hour reading that they were connecting with somebody they lost
- 19:56and that they loved so much.
- 19:58And that's how sinister this really is.
- 20:01That's how disgusting these demons are because you're not, that's the lie, but the lot right
- 20:06there that it's just not even happening.
- 20:09That's not your loved one.
- 20:11That's a demon mask rating.
- 20:12Think about how evil that is as children, people who lost children.
- 20:18It's deceptive and I understand that because playing on people's emotions, wow, it's
- 20:24just fascinating.
- 20:26I don't want to gloss over this.
- 20:27I don't remember if you just briefly mentioned at the very beginning of the podcast.
- 20:32So what was the catalyst that brought you to Christ and really finally opened your eyes
- 20:36and turned you around?
- 20:38Yeah, no, I'm glad that you came back to that because I actually forgot to mention that
- 20:42part because you'll get to know me anyway.
- 20:46No, what happened was at the end of my 36th year, I had this, I don't want to call it this,
- 20:51I call it this near moment of destruction or near second of destruction.
- 20:57What I mean by that is I was so heavily oppressed.
- 21:00These entities never left me, David.
- 21:02They never left me.
- 21:04And in this moment, in the second, I cried out to Jesus Christ and I had no idea why
- 21:10I did that.
- 21:11I had no idea.
- 21:12I never served him.
- 21:14I had this, you know, out there, he was kind of like out there, yeah, maybe he's the son
- 21:19of God.
- 21:20I don't know.
- 21:21No real faith.
- 21:22Why didn't I call upon a deceased person or my spirit guide or anything like that?
- 21:26No, I called on the name of Jesus Christ and I felt this peace and you know what I say
- 21:30to people though, David, but let's not go by that, right, because that's my experience.
- 21:35The movement in my heart started that night, okay, because the next, I didn't want to be
- 21:41a psychic anymore and I didn't know why.
- 21:42So the whole now I know hindsight, right, that's the Holy Spirit, yeah, move my heart,
- 21:48but I didn't know what it all meant.
- 21:50And the devil didn't want to lose his grip on me at all.
- 21:53I ended up further deceived reading books by people like Betty Edie embracing the light
- 21:59who, you know, a near death experience and, but of course, she believes and subscribes
- 22:04to reincarnation and was so you could see I was very, it was everything was very muddled
- 22:09for me.
- 22:10And that went on for almost 10 months until the Lord in his sovereignty and grace arranged
- 22:18I, but divine appointment, I had a dinner with a friend I hadn't seen a long time.
- 22:22I met her in divination groups.
- 22:24I read her family.
- 22:26We were in the New Age community together and she was coming over for dinner in the period
- 22:32of time that I hadn't seen her.
- 22:34She had been saved by Jesus Christ.
- 22:36So she comes for the dinner and she starts talking to me about Jesus and invites me to
- 22:40go to the church that she started going to.
- 22:43I said no, because I was stupid, but then I said no.
- 22:50But four weeks later, I woke up on a Sunday and the Holy Spirit gave me that push.
- 22:56No, you're going to that church today, Jen.
- 22:58And honestly, because there's no other way to describe it, there's no reason I can give
- 23:02you for me wanting to go that particular day.
- 23:05And when I went there, we were singing.
- 23:08I mean, I had never been in a church like this.
- 23:10I was raised culturally Catholic.
- 23:12So I only knew masses and people have that, you know, their worshiping and their arms
- 23:15are up and this thing.
- 23:17And the Jesus saved me was still lyric that it was like I was in a room by myself.
- 23:23I flashed back to that night I cried out to him and I knew that was him.
- 23:28I knew it.
- 23:29It was confirmation.
- 23:30I heard the gospel that day.
- 23:31I hadn't known I was a sinner that needed to be saved.
- 23:34I didn't hear the gospel.
- 23:36I heard the gospel and I placed my full faith in trust in Lord Jesus.
- 23:40And immediately the Holy Spirit, the first thing he did was leave me to the Word of God
- 23:45right when I got home.
- 23:47What is the Bible?
- 23:48That psychic mediums boom.
- 23:49It was right in my face.
- 23:50Wow.
- 23:51Praise God for that.
- 23:53And obviously it was God moving in your heart.
- 23:57You know, you didn't have the Holy Spirit yet, but yet God was moving.
- 24:00He had his hand on your life and he was saying, Jen, this way, come on, praise God for
- 24:05that.
- 24:06I know it's probably more in depth than what you were able to share, but how encouraging
- 24:10it was even as that is.
- 24:12What else in the last couple of minutes here?
- 24:16Should we be concerned about?
- 24:17We just had a lot of people speculate about this big eclipse, right?
- 24:21And we're still here.
- 24:22It wasn't this big world changing thing.
- 24:25It wasn't God saying, when I'm going to shake up the world, it's happened before in
- 24:29world history, even in our history.
- 24:32And so what else should we be concerned about?
- 24:35What are your other thoughts?
- 24:36Well, I think we're seeing a rise, unfortunately, of divination in our culture.
- 24:41We're seeing it in the music industry.
- 24:44We're seeing it every, basically everywhere you turn.
- 24:47I mean, it's front and center in the stores, Target.
- 24:50You can even go to CVS these days without seeing some sort of a Ouija board on Altoids
- 24:54or whatever.
- 24:56I mean, it's all over the place.
- 24:57So it's really important to be educated about what divination is that it is demonic and
- 25:02to stay away from it and be very discerning at what you're listening to and watching.
- 25:08And that goes along too with false, obviously, their false prophets, but any sort of false
- 25:12prophet trying to cash in on these so events.
- 25:16Yep.
- 25:17So when you say divination, are you putting witchcraft and divination as different things
- 25:21or are you kind of mixing them together a little bit?
- 25:23Oh, I would, I mean, if you even look at sorcery, Revelation 218 says even sorcerers,
- 25:28they're not going to go to heaven.
- 25:30They're going to have the second death in the lake of fire.
- 25:33So God is clear, stay away from witchcraft, which is the occult, of course, the new all
- 25:39tools and forms of divination and witchcraft.
- 25:43And they're the new age, man, that is just so deceptive.
- 25:47And it's so subtle too, you know, even believers, well, meaning people, at least here
- 25:52about these crystals or something else and you're, okay, we've got a lot to be discerning
- 25:57about.
- 25:58But Jen, we thank you for your time.
- 25:59What else do you have coming up, any events?
- 26:00And I know you're, oh, you're writing a book, tell us a little bit about that.
- 26:03Yeah.
- 26:04I'm working on my third book.
- 26:06It's going to be a memoir.
- 26:08I really want to walk people through how does a woman become oppressed?
- 26:12So what did that look like growing up here on Long Island?
- 26:15How did it all start?
- 26:17Where brought me?
- 26:18What life looks like when you're serving the devil?
- 26:20Now that I have that, that view on everything that had transpired, what is life like when
- 26:26you are psychic medium?
- 26:29And of course, what led to my salvation, salvation and baptism.
- 26:34So I want to give it like soup to nuts and I just really pray that it would bless people
- 26:38and help them to understand because people are very deceived when children start reporting
- 26:44any sort of psychic information going back to your not born with it.
- 26:49Those children are not exempt from demonic oppression.
- 26:52That's right.
- 26:53So Jen, thank you.
- 26:54We will have you on Lord willing when that book comes out or right before it does.
- 26:58We can get to her website again, expsychicsaved.com.
- 27:02And remember to check out their new podcast with Dorine and Jack over at new age to new heart
- 27:09on YouTube.
- 27:10Yeah.
- 27:11Jen, Neza, thank you so much.
- 27:12God bless you, sister.
- 27:13God bless you, David.
- 27:15Thank you.
- 27:16Guys, to be continued, great guests, we appreciate it.
- 27:19We appreciate them.
- 27:20We appreciate you for supporting the show and sharing the podcast.
- 27:24God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.