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#86 | Rene, Kai, Anthony | Texas Hemp Ban: SB3’s Impact Exposed · Corpus Christi Originals Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_03: The Corpse Cruiser Originals podcast.
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna dive into issues rocking out uh rocking our community.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_03: Today we're tackling the SB Senate Bill 3 uh set to ban all consumable THC products in Texas by September 2025.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_03: If Governor Abbott signs it.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, this could crush a 10 billion dollar hemp industry, local jobs, and access to wellness products.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the Texas Tribune reports SB3 targets uh products like Delta A with$500 fines for possession, yada yada, all that stuff.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna get into it today.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_03: We got uh Anthony Diaz with the 50 States of Terror podcast, Kai of the Coastal Buds Dispensary out there in Portland, and Renee from Panacea uh to talk about these issues.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: So let's let's go and start off with uh Renee.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: What have you been facing with this?
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I mean it's uh it's a total disaster.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, we're we're now looking to relocate to Nevada for um our growing and manufacturing capability, um, and then also Colorado, but it's just more money that it's gonna cost the Texas consumer.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_04: Oh you know what I mean?
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_04: Just it it it all boils down that the customer is gonna pay the tab um for all this, uh be it being getting it on the black market, um you know, there all the way around this is a bad bill and a bad law.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um we were all for regulation, that just not this type, you know, not a total ban.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_04: Um we were all for like the kid packaging and all that to eliminate all that stuff, but um it's a little overboard for sure.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, that's amazing.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_03: Kai, uh you same same issues or yeah, man.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh pretty, pretty clear there.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um there's a lot of business owners and a lot of a lot of people that are like I'm over Texas and I'm over this and and kind of ready to leave as soon as um things happen, which is terrible.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: And and I agree completely, you know, there was never a time when we were like, no, we don't want regulations.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't agree with the little like Skittles that some some places sell or whatever.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like that stuff's weird, you know.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like keep it, keep it looking menacing, keep it looking clean, 21 and up.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, those are there's some pretty good guidelines, I think, but this is completely overboard.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like this is gonna tear a lot of people down.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, wow.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we'll get into that.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Anthony, he's a veteran, military marine veteran, yeah.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, what's your take on this?
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_03: I know you have some uh opinions about for veterans and stuff like that.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, the the proof is the proof is like you've seen the video of the VFW and American Legion people over at Capitol Hill are saying that like it's you're you're taking away from an avenue for veterans to cope with like chronic pain or anything like that.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: Instead of being dumped with a bunch of opioids or other pills, like it's it's just it's harmful for for vets.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, uh, how are you doing, dude?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, are you doing good?
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm pretty good.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'm pretty good, man.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_03: The thing is, dude, like this this has been popped in popping up on my my Facebook.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's everywhere, right?
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I live in Texas.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_03: I live in Texas, it's popping up, and I don't even smoke.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't smoked in freaking, I don't know how many years.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: But just to see this that this is being like being passed, I'm like, dude, why but it's in the algorithm though.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_03: So like you're it's in the algorithm, yeah.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, even if you don't consume, you should care for others, other people's right.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I told them early the right to choose, right?
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_04: Because nobody's saying that you have to consume these products, nobody's forcing anybody to buy them.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_04: No, absolutely not.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_04: And they try to use kids as a scare tactic, but honestly, it's vet it's veterans and older people.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_04: That's our market.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_04: It's not kids.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_04: I no kids come to my store.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_04: We're we're not a kid-friendly store.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_04: We're twelve.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_04: All our products are set for 21 and up.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because we sold tobacco.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_04: Most shops sell tobacco, so they're all 21 and up.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's uh all his points were were moot for sure.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_04: But he had he had he used no statistics, it was all opinion-based, all scare tactic.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_04: It was horrible.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah, we'll get into that.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_04: And it was a lot of lies.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_03: You're talking about Dan Patrick, right?
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_03: Dan Patrick.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_04: He just flat out was lying in front of the public.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_04: And I mean, this is somebody who you know supported a bill to write the Ten Commandments at school or have him present, and he can't even follow them.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_04: Well it's back to the hypocrisy of organized religious people, you know what I mean?
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_03: So Axios says 60% of Texans support marijuana legalization.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_03: Why are lawmakers pushing this ban despite public support?
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that statistics is full legalization and not like yeah, recreational.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's recreational, not medical.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_04: What color?
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, okay.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_04: Texans want this.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I think Colorado, you you're allowed to grow your own plant, right?
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: In your in your house, as long as it's a few, I believe.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_04: It's a it's a small plant count.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_04: I think Nevada has the same thing, Colorado, California, and then like New Mexico, they have a patient and Oklahoma, they have a patient where say you're not a grower, but you want someone to grow, you can give them your plants.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_04: Really?
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_04: They can say, hey, I'm gonna sign you over my thing now.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_04: You think you curate my six plants, eight plants, whatever it is.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's just making me think how much money, how much revenue that this brings into the top of the well honestly, a lot of revenue wasn't staying already in the state because there's not a big there's not a lot of production here because our laws because of laws.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_04: Because the laws still restrict us from the production part.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so a lot of money was going to Oklahoma, uh, California, Colorado, uh, Oregon.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh but most of these products and see the per products that they were they wanted, they were trying to use to ban this.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_04: I I still had a problem with them as well.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and the problem was with the distributors, not the retailers.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_04: The distributors, um, yeah, they're pretty pretty shady dudes.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I I'll just be honest about it.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like the people that actually run uh were running this market, um, a couple conglomerates out of Houston, uh, one or two out of Dallas, but they all belong to the same family.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, and they're all foreign interest too.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_04: This is all China, India.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I swear to God, they run this whole market.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_04: So I understand his approach, uh and I understand why they were trying to do this because those people already run this.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow, you know what I mean?
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_04: So um, but yeah, he it didn't have to be because we don't, but I don't buy uh my shops don't um we don't sell any of those products.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well all the shops are littered with these products.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_03: These products you're talking about, like the gummies or whatever he was talking about, stuff like that.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's all these uh child package gummies or cartoon gummies, cartoon vapes, and all these things.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, that these things um they're not as bad as alcohol or tobacco, but they were still bad.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_04: There was still like a lot of stuff, really not that I wasn't cool with, you know what I mean?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_04: Because a lot of these things that they were they were um pushing were uh synthetically derived.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_04: They were taking CBD and converting it into something else.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um so what so what slap a tab on there like the like the smoking?
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean if if it if it was legal, yeah.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_04: I would I would say just just label the products accordingly, like this is uh plant derived, and this is hey, uh a uh derivative of a plant that was converted because it's not really synthetic, uh you would call them conversions because you take CBD and then you run it through uh a process and it becomes whatever you want it to become.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_04: You got any thoughts on this, guy?
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I yeah, I understand about that whole word, the synthetic.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: I can't stand that word, man, because they are converted at the end of the day, right?
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what they're they're pushing in Austin right now.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: But it's oh, we're banning the synthetics and the fakes, but it's no, those were banned years and years ago, you know, when they they were a problem.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: I remember being able to drive right here downtown and see people folding over, standing up, man.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was real.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: That shit was real, and it's scared.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Pardon my language.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's all good.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, dude.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: Be prepared, I'm about to drop some f-bottoms.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's absolutely right.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: That that stuff should not be in stores, man.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: You can walk into a store in Corpus right now, and and you're looking at a Cheeto packaging with a sticker slapped on there that sells something like Delta 8, right?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: And there's no there's no in ingredients, there's no like anything about it, and it's most likely a spray product, and it's just not good.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: Whether it's like human consumption, yes, it's safer than a lot of other things, but I agree.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's a very fine line, yeah.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: For real, bro.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: Goodness for your shape.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man, so uh let's so we uh we gotta go off track.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_03: We were talking about the THC band corpus Christi hemp scene.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, since hemp was legalized in 2019, how have the THC products shaped your worlds?
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh what uh what's the scene like at Panacea or at Coastal Buds, Anthony?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_03: What's your view on THC's role in Corpus Christi?
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: Man, well, first I gotta share, make sure to share all the socials and get some people on this on this thing.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh not I mean, okay.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: So my I think my biggest concern and my biggest like side in this whole argument is is the fact that it that this band comes from absolutely nowhere.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Nowhere, yeah.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: It comes from nowhere.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's no there's there's no basis of doing it besides trying to like be the uh authoritative figure in the of Texas.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right, correct.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_04: There's control, it's controlled.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because okay, so like I when when you have uh a billion dollar industry that that is bringing in money to Texas, why not advance that?
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: Why not legalize the entire thing and then treat it like booze or treat it like any other uh like industry like that?
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: Tax the hell out of it, and then use the funds to to do uh other things with with the plant, like make textiles or make uh like shirts or things like that.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: It makes absolutely no sense.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_04: Ultimately, it's the shop, it's our it's our own fault.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_04: We didn't pull together either.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_04: Like shop owners didn't come together and say, hey, let's let's go make our law.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's why we have no voice in it.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_04: Okay what instead of being comp instead of uh being a a group being together, we're all we all think of each other as rivals or competitors, right?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_04: But we're we're not with and we couldn't we had all the time in the world to get it together and pull money together so we could go buy our law because that's basically what you have to do, you have to buy laws.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's what's going on here.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_04: The the the tobacco and and alcohol industry bought this band.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow, you know what I mean?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_04: The pharmaceutical industry bought this band because they have a leg up on us, they already pay these people, you know, they already have budgets in their uh built into their yearly budgets to donate to campaigns, and shop owners we just didn't do it, you know what I mean?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's really on us because we we had there's plenty of people I know that are very that make lucrative money in this industry, but don't don't put don't give back, don't, don't do the right thing, you know what I mean?
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_04: And it's really on us.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_04: I mean this happened because we didn't pull together.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: I agree with you to a standpoint, man.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't even feel like that should be a thing.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like these active donations or funding towards their campaigns should have never even came up to begin with.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: They're supposed to be representing Texas people and they're not, they're they're representing who they're paid by.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, money interest, that's just the world we live in.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, for sure.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_04: And I 100% agree that we should have jumped on that when we have, yeah, we should have all got together when this all happened.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_03: So back then, had y'all thought about it?
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like I was thinking we chose for everybody, but nobody it was trying to survive at some point there.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_04: Like she said, we're all just trying to survive, but uh, there are some lucrative players, and these are that foreign interest that I'm talking about, and they're the ones that let this happen.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_04: They're the biggest, they're the ones that are gonna hurt the most.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_03: So, how how would this how would this ban hit your businesses and the community?
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, the community is gonna have to go back to what it used to be.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_04: I think a lot of the uh our clientele, especially vets and the older folks, um, yeah, they don't want to go to an alley, they don't want to wait at H E V parking lot.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_04: They don't they don't want to do any of that, they just want to go in, get their medicine, and go out like they do everything else.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well that SP3 is make is making it uh the the punishments like harsher.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's for less.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, less for less product, right?
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's like jail time, you mean this bill is making it harder, or not harder, it's harsher to have possession on you now.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_04: And now that the I mean, because the farm bill, it's your constitutional right, your federal right to have to have access to these products.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_04: That's what that bill granted, right?
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_04: So now they're they're taking something that's your constitutional right away.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I mean, huge huge effect to the consumer.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_03: So uh um uh KRS news, you were on there.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_03: It says you were considering relocation to Colorado or Nevada.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, we were we've already taken the steps.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_04: We're definitely, even if he vetoes or uh we get an injunction, we still have to move because I can't worry about all the money that we've invested and time uh into developing um varietals, developing formulations and products.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, I can't do that, manage all that, and still fight the government and hide and and you know what I mean?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not I'm I'm too old for all that.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not I'm not going back.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, just keep going forward.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_03: Just figure out how to keep the business, be keep your business going.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, is the band forcing you to is the band forcing y'all to rethink uh whether it's business plans or broader impacts?
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: I know you just discussed some of that.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: Are you thinking about some of that, Kai?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: Or as far as just like moving.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like like say say it gets signed, like, dude, yeah, what's gonna happen to my business?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: Have you thought like what's gonna be?
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, man.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I can't say that like the concern's not there, you know.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we've we've fought quite a few times.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: Me and Renee have been buddies for a while, and he knows a lot of the stuff that we went through in the beginning, and it's just always been a fight, it's always been a struggle to kind of stay open out there.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: And this all happened back in what 2021, 2022, and we struggled during that time to keep our doors open, but we had just opened a few months.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_03: COVID the COVID time, no sir.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: No, this was after this was this active fight again.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: This is just a repeat of itself, yeah.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_04: Man, and uh when the initial first initial band because they tried it before.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_04: They tried before, yeah.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_04: They tried it with the with the with the band, they got a judge, and then uh one of the big players, he iso, which is uh hometown hero.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: Where's the hey knife?
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Hometown heroes dude, they're a such a badass company.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they are a company for the people, man.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then yeah, they uh they won a federal lawsuit and um it got overturned in 2022.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, uh during that time, man, like I mean, we had to get rid of quite a bit of stuff.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think there was a TRO in order, a temporary restraining order, and um once that kind of died out or whatever, the the federal um lawsuit was still happening, um actively happening.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, there was a point in time where we could not sell those products and did not sell those products.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even think you could have them in your store, like it was that um intense.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not really sure.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: But uh even then, you know, we kind of we kind of tried to pull what we could together, but my shop is more dispensary style regardless.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: We don't sell e-cigarettes, we don't sell tobacco products, we don't sell creatum, we don't sell the 70H or whatever the market.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff out there, man, that we do not sell and I will not sell for a lot of reasons.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's why I'm concerned because that's gonna shut my whole business down.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's I mean, we're we're essentially medicine, is what we do out there, and that's what they're taking away, you know, and they're leaving the rest of these products alone.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, see, I was thinking that I was like, well, because there's some shops that sell like uh like pipes and all this other stuff, and they can lean on that, yeah, yeah.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_04: But smoke, some smoke shops will stay stick around.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um like some of these guys that have multi-shops, a bunch of those will shut down, but their main stores will stay open.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the guys that sell all those other products, you know.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_03: It seems like this is something that y'all are like, this is my thing, you know.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, if we if you're trying to take this away from me, we we were dispensary based too.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_04: Like we I we specialize in flour and and concentrates, so like 99% of my business is flour and concentrate.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_04: I don't sell glass, I don't sell, you know what I mean.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_04: We have some of those products, but they don't move.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_04: People don't come to my place for like a yeah, let me let me see that piece.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I got 20, 30 pieces, I don't got two thousand dollar pieces, yeah.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: Right, you know, yeah, it's it's interesting.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_03: That you mentioned that he mentions like veterans and old and older because I don't think that's yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think yeah, it's ridiculous.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean ridiculous.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_04: I feel bad for the pets too.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_04: What did they do?
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta tell you, man, like I'm I'm really proud of the Texas VFW and the Texas American Legion because they because they were like, I mean, regardless of of your you know, blue side or red side of the house, dude, like they they stood tall in front of the man.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: It was like you can't do that to us.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: You you cannot you cannot take this away from us and expect for us to go back on like pills, you know, like to manage pain and manage chronic pain and PTSD and TBI on the city.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so the the Texas Tribune says some veterans use THC and for PTSD to avoid opioids.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so what so obviously this is your take on this.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: What are your concern for veterans?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean the the fact of just being addicted to to pills, man.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: To manage to manage the effects of being in the military.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I go I told I told you that story before went on went on air.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I got out, I was starting starting to struggle with like depression, anxiety, and then being around people and being around large groups.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: But then like I went to the VA to talk about my issues, and they were like, Yeah, your appointment's gonna be in six months.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I can't six months before I talk to anybody.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then like when I got there, it was a like 30-minute questionnaire, and then okay, your your your actual appointment is next year.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, dude, like I told you before, like I'd rather go get a 24 pack of beer and just and just like pound that it's almost just so like I don't hurt anymore, you know?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: And like not to say like it's just it's just bets, but like the the fact that uh you got people coming back with uh PTSD, TBI, uh uh anxiety, depression, uh, all of these side effects of being in the in the military in general, and then expect for us to just say, okay, you're you're taking away the most safest route for us to take, and you want for us to go back to alcohol and drugs.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: So harder pills, like what the fuck's wrong with you, man?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: The Texas Compassionate Use Program costs$500 a month versus$90 for gummies.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: How does how does this affect access and what are panacea and coastal buds seen for the customers?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_04: Because we get a lot of people that have scripts and they think they need their script and whatnot.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_04: And this is what I tell everybody look, for the last what five, six years, uh, we had no doctor intervention.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_04: And I think for the most part, uh, shops have been really successful with providing for their communities.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_04: Hands down, um there's not even I've I've researched this statistics, there's not even statistics for um the Texas has recorded to show you uh the uh the intoxication rates of cannabis because they're so low.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_04: They don't even report them.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_04: This guy talking about some kid got access to whatever.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's on the parent.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's not on a shop.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_04: That's a no no amount of packaging, whatever it's on there, if a parent leaves it out, a kid's gonna get to it.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_04: You know, there's even if it was in a child uh uh child proof uh package, uh, if if a parent's able to leave it out for a kid to have access to it, more than likely uh they're gonna leave it undone or whatever.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_04: The packaging's not gonna save the kid.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_04: But that that's a parent parental issue, not not a shop or a manufacturer issue, you know what I mean?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to go like like apples to apples, man, like what about the kid who's gonna open up your dad's rum cabinet and like just start pounding?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: They start starting pounding all the time.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so it's basically kind of like you're saying it's basically could be regulated like alcohol or even cigarettes for that matter.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, well, that's for the money, the money side and the business side of the house.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: I would say like that that's just I'm not I'm not the business owner here, but I'm but I'm saying, like, if you if you just went ahead and passed it 100% legal, 100% recreational, none of this like derivatives, it's it it's straight natural.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_04: They created that market with this law.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_04: That 0.03 bullshit is what created delta eight.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_04: So all these things that they're trying to say are bad for you.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_04: The our legislature or when we created this bill, because they didn't know what they were talking about, it created all these things.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_04: It created Delta Eight.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_04: These things w existed already, but they weren't nobody they weren't they weren't practical for commercialization at the time because the um The SOP to make them wasn't available.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_04: Well, no one really was thinking about it because it was just bud.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: So they're just using it using those terms right.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like you're saying, what synthetic were they saying?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: Synthetic or phase.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_04: So when they did that point, point zero three law, um, that dry weight law, that created all these other other compounds because people still wanted to have access to relief.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_04: So we could give them Delta 8, Delta 10, HHC, you name it.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_04: There's like 60 of them now.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's so like you so you have to figure out how to uh concentrate that into a product.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_03: Is that what you yeah?
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_04: Well, what they're what it was basically chemists.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_04: Chemist took over and they figured out we could take CBD, put it in a reactor, add a couple of catalysts, and we can convert it to see we can convert CBD into Delta 9, HHC, uh THC, J D.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_04: They got them all.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_04: Some so they created the lawmakers created this industry because if it was just Bud from the get-go, it would have just been Bud.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_04: It would have been Bud.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_04: We wouldn't even know about any of these products.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_03: One last thing on the veteran perspective.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh uh, so the ban will fuel a black market.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: What are the risks you see for locals and veterans if legal THC vanishes?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_04: Oh god, I mean arrests arrests.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_04: So lawyers, this is the win for lawyers.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_04: Because I mean, you gotta hire a lawyer to get out of it, you know what I mean?
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, dude.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: They do have they do have that veteran, uh veteran first offense, whatever here in Corpus, but I don't think it I don't think it would even matter.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_04: But nobody should be arrested for a plant.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_04: That's like arresting someone for tomatoes, it's ridiculous.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I have I have actually perspective I have notes.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: So like there is there is a lot of talk about like the religious aspect about it, and like if if they're even if they present the argument of because this came right before the uh the implementation of putting the Ten Commandments in in schools, so they're they're they're pushing this like like uh uh holistic religious ideology on on Texans.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: Gotcha.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like if they really paid attention to what they were actually talking about, they would just go back to Genesis 112.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: I give you all seed-bearing plants are used again.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's and it's just so frustrating that we we still live in a time that a plant that grows naturally that we know for a fact that is safer than than alcohol, and that we can use the hell out of it for textiles and shirts and ropes and and other and other things that are extremely beneficial.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: And we're still arguing this this topic.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: And on my side of the house, as as a vet, it's and I go, I go, I go back to the point where like I have I have friends who have not seen the BA because they dick them over and they just pump them full of pills.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, I I feel chronic pain because I have a back injury.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, here is your month's supply of of uh good pills.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Instead of just like instead of just taking a natural approach to it, yeah, it just it would make everything so much better.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_03: Real quick, real quick, uh Kaylee Diaz on Facebook.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for the uh the comments.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_03: She says Colorado is an example of how we can legalize and benefit the community.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_03: Also on YouTube, uh, what's going on, Kaylee?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, that makes were we're gonna say something?
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry about that.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I was just gonna add to this point.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I think old people share that same sentiment, yeah, and that's why they come to us because they have to take all these pills a week, they got them in daily doses, and uh cannabis helps them get away from all that.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: You see, when I think about like when I when you say pills, it makes me think like addicted to pills, like because some people addicted to pills.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_04: All these vitamins, like oh, people.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_04: I don't if you go look at your grandma's cabinet, bro.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_04: She's got a divider for every day of what she's gotta take, and it's like 10 pills.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_04: So this stuff, all that stuff's bad for your liver.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_04: Oh anything man-made, our body does not metabolize it like it does a natural.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: Every pill that you take, you need another pill for the side effect.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's literally a never-ending side of the city.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, dude.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's a catch.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: So the stuff that you guys, I guess the stuff that you intake or whatever through your mouth, it's uh we'll say pharmaceutical.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: We'll call it what it is.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Pharmaceutical industry industry.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: All right, all right, okay, okay.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: So like that.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's just yeah, blink them all.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_03: Because it makes me think about, sorry about that.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: It makes me think about like smoke, because when you smoke, it goes to your lungs.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: Would you say it affects your lungs, right?
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: And this it's I guess it's like you say medicinal or whatever.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I mean, there's sugars in your gummies, there's stuff like that too, regardless.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: But like there's some regardless, none of them are harmful, is what I'm gonna say.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day, yes, there is options that are probably more medicinal or or beneficial, like tinctures is a number one thing that I recommend to a lot of our older uh people that are just looking for quick relief that aren't smokers.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: Why would I ever recommend somebody who's never picked up a cigarette or a joint in their life to smoke it?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like I'm I'm paying attention to to detail like that.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of other shop owners are uh as well as him.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: And um, that's kind of where we need to keep staying together and keep you know these people on the right track.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because I mean, we got people that are like, I'm I'm just looking to smoke.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, cool, heck, yeah.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's all day.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: You're in the right spot.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: But the people that we're worried about are the veterans, though the older people, the people with pain, arthritis, PTSD, scars that you can and can't see.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, so like it goes into like even to make a differentiation of like you're doing edibles or you're doing uh uh straight to the lungs, doing smoke or whatever.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: So like if if I came to you as a doctor and I was like, look, I can't eat.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm having so much anxiety that I can't eat, right?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you're gonna prescribe to me so so many different pills, and I I'm supposed to try each one to see if it helps me with my anxiety to help me eat.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: But if I take if I take a gummy and I know it takes about two hours for you to kick in, and I take a small dose, so I'm not flying high, but I'm I'm I'm I'm chilling, and I start to get that that appetite back, I know I know that within that those hours, I know that my anxiety is going low, my appetite is coming back, and I can be a normal person again.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and and that's and the the most jacked up thing about it is the fact that like they, as in the Texas government, is saying, Oh, just just because you have this this this great thing called it called a gummy and it's packaged in this weird thing.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Nope, sorry.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, like we can't we can't have that.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so we're talking about the human cost.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_03: Now we're gonna get to explore the politics and economics diving into this ban, which is probably what you guys wanted to start with.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_03: Uh let's be what's the what's behind this push uh Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick called THC poison for CBS Texans.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, we called it poison and then medicine for um HB46.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_04: So, like, which is it?
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_04: Is it medicine or is it poison?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: What was the deal with that with them holding HB 46 hostage in place of the SB3 or whatever?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, it was they were not holding um SB3 hostage, they're holding no vice versa.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they were holding um teacher pay, a teacher bill, and a student bill hostage for 46.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so basically 46 was um it all came back, but what they did was they held that hostage um and they made the house wipe off the vapes and all about five six or six qualifying conditions.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_04: So they made they made them take them off, but they ended up coming back and they got chronic pain, yeah, chronic pain.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_04: So like PTSD and it doesn't have to be diagnosed.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: But correct me if I'm wrong though, you still have to go see a doctor, you still have to pr be on a prescription for 90 days or three years.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, no, a year.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_04: I have a script I have a script.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_04: I've already I've done the process because I wanted to make sure if I was gonna advocate for it or against it.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I wanted to know.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_04: So I I went and got it.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_04: It's um it's funny because it's just about money.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_04: So you sign up for one of these places, they're online, you pay 150 bucks, the guy calls you, answer three questions, and then you get a script.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_04: Easy as that.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_03: So you're saying you're saying that it could it be.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: I guess I guess the way for it to remain legal is through Right, right.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna right now if if uh he does sign the bill, um, that's one of the things that we've hedged over.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um we're buying a company called Innovative Health Solutions.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_04: Uh right now it's ran by Dr.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um Shoemaker, Stanton Shoemaker, and um uh yeah, that's what uh exactly what we're gonna do because I've already I already processed hash, and hash was one of the products listed or uh one of the vape products that can be one of the products that can be turned into a vape, a medicinal vape, uh per law.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_04: Because the law 46 states that if it's a vape product, it has to be full plant, no additives, no terpenes, no nothing.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_04: And we already make a dope ass rosin.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_04: Plug, plug, look, go to the camera, bro.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: I got my comment on that.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like we're talking earlier.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: Gene, do you know why weed is is illegal?
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like how it got illegal?
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: From the 1930s, dude.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was from racism.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_04: Racism, yep.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_04: Seriously, yeah, for real.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was from this dude from the 1930s.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_04: Think about it historically, where was cannabis coming from?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't like to call it weed or marijuana because it's from cannabis.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so do I.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no, Mexico, dude.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_04: Mexico.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_04: So historically, um, people that look like me controlled this market.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so um now that when I go to BizCon, there's I'm like one percent of the population there.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_04: Most people don't look like me that are big in the cannabis industry.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's all you already know, you know it's all driven by the it was a control tactic because they knew there was no way they could uh they could outproduce um the west coast of Mexico.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: So this is from the 1930s from the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and the dude named Henry J.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Assiner, yep, and he was the one that came up with this whole thing, and then I also did the the thing um reefer madness.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was uh saying to uh white communities that Hispanics and blacks were uh smoking it.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_04: They used women, white women actually.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they used white men, white women smoke it and they want to go sleep with a brown guy.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_04: What the hell?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm this is all accurate fact.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_04: This all happened.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_04: But that's one way we have to control the market, I guess.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: So look, I wrote I wrote the I wrote the quote.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: The quote is smoking reefer makes darkies think they they're as good as white men.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: And this is from 1930s, okay.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: So when you talk about because I uh I don't know if well, I I I do I have two podcasts, and I'm I'm a uh amateur historian and I do shows on uh paranormal conspiracies, cryptids and all that jazz.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: So his history is kind of my jam, right?
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: So, like if you think about it historically and generational speaking, when this what became illegal, you have them and the older generation of that that were only one generation out of the people who were taught that marijuana cannabis is bad.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's bad, it's just referred madness.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_04: It was medicine until eight nineteen thirty.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it was it was prevalent, it was used widely in this country.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it was it was used in sacraments, it was used in rituals, it was used uh why would they demonize it to begin with?
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_04: Because of it's not just racism, but it was also uh part of the oil and gas establishment pushing uh pharmaceuticals.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_04: This all still stems from the pharmaceutical using the medicinal like fossil fuel for for for pharmaceuticals, and then it was also the paper, the uh paper industry and the lumber industry after 1930s.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: So it was a threat to their industries?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, it was it well, it was a threat to industries, but it was all about money, it was about like who came out on top.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_04: Oh so look at uh who's that oil and gas giant uh from the early 1900s?
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Rockefeller.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_04: Look up that guy because he needed to push um byproducts of making oil uh fuels, and the byproducts were these compounds that they could use for pharmacology.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_04: So uh if cannabis was the number one uh I guess uh home remedy, that's how he eliminated it.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_04: And and they the racism was the on the muscle of it.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_03: But if they had if they had those extra compounds that they could make medicinal, right?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_03: And then they and they would let a hemp thrive, or whatever you call it, then they would have to figure out how to uh put all that to waste, you know what I mean?
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right, right.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_03: Wouldn't be put to use and stuff like that.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_04: That's just where mine's going to be angry because it's a disruptor.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_04: Because uh most people cannot grow their medicine.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_04: Think about how you eliminate so many industries.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: What do you mean most people can't grow their medicine?
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like this here's hilarious.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_04: They're not capable or like you're not growing aspirin, you're not growing any of that, but you can grow wheat, right?
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_03: That's it's but isn't there like natural normal stuff like that can work as an aspirin?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, absolutely.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, all the weeds, all our native weeds are are super medicinal.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, why do you think they developed round them?
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_04: Think about them.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_03: Nah, dude, they're in the bushy man.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: You made me think that.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the milk, that milk weed that that weed that has that real distinctive smell, like it's almost smells like weed.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_04: And it has like it looks like weed, right?
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of looks like weed, but it's somebody's house in Flower Bluff got rated for that a couple years ago.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: I swear to God, it hurts.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_04: It looks like weed and it's prickly.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_04: But when you break that open, it it uh delivers a white milk and it's uh as good as opium.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, yeah.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: And then you got lemongrass or lemongrass tea, you got all of these.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean, if you want to if you want to go super super hiss historical on it, man, like I got I got like five or six textbooks on Native American medicinal like remedies you can do at at the house.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_04: Dude, I can definitely see how the pharmaceutical industry could benefit off of man-made uh medicines, especially if all the compounds are uh oil and gas derived, oil and fuel derived.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: And like she's saying, it's a never-ending cycle.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like, well, this one has side effects, so you gotta take this one.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_04: No, so man-made medicine should be for acute illness.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_04: Like if you're about to die, take the pill.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_04: Right, you know what I mean?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_04: But for chronic illness, you should be on uh you should take a more naturopathic approach.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_04: You should be on herbs and spices, not on chronic.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: Chronic illness.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_03: Chronic illness, something you're gonna have for the rest of your life.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, something you shouldn't be taking a pill.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because most people that take diagnosed, I'm diagnosing that too.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_04: People that get diagnosed with chronic illness, they don't die from the chronic illness, they die from kidney and liver failure.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's a true that's golly, bro.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about epilepsy, IBS, multiple sclerosis, Tourette's sclerosis, Huntington's disease, Parkinson's disease, uh, dementia, glaucoma, TBI, uh, normal addiction, anxiety, depression, sleep disorders, PTSD, and schizophrenia.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: These are all things that can be limited on your sad.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_03: Man, this is making me sad, bro.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_03: Like, humanity just freaking it's all about money.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: God, look at that.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_04: It is all about money.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's all about money.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_04: Money's man-made too.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: I want to ask, I want to ask like y'all, y'all a question.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Were y'all deep into this like the mer uh cannabis scene before becoming shop owners?
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_04: For sure.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_04: I've I've been selling weed since high school.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_04: I've never I've always grown since my son was born in 2001.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_04: And I started growing Reggie because 9-11, they shut down the border, and they had all these seeds.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, whoa, can't get any bud, might as well start growing it.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_04: And from that first time, I ain't gonna be an opportunity, gotta get right, gotta jump on it.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: Was it was it holistic or was it nah?
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_04: I was a kid, man.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't care about any of the medicine side.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't get into the medicine side till 2013, 14, when my mom got diagnosed.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_04: And then I just became a scientist after that.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: And wait, what do you start getting into?
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I've been legally selling bud now in a shop for four and a half years.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and prior to that, of course, other things.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: But um, I mean, we've we've grown our own plants, you know, it's been a long time, but um essentially it was uh a little bit more of a medicinal approach.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: I have chronic migraine.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: I've I've got diagnosed almost 11, 12 years ago now.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: So um ish like sometimes it's weekly, sometimes it's uh one of the cluster migraines that get those constantly.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I've got a four and a half year old and a six-month-old baby, man.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like I can't, I mean, I get to the point where like sun, sun or uh any kind of light, just I can't do it, any kind of sound, um, even temperature.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: If there's a fan blowing on me and I have a migraine, I am in so much pain.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's insane.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but ultimately this is something that I uh looked into because of that and realized really, really, really quickly about five years ago that um nobody really had any idea of what they were selling to people or what it really did, you know.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, dumpster eight had just hit the market.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: I remember uh one gram little cake pen being 50 bucks, and I was like, man, we're back to to old time prices.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: But um, you know, it even then like nobody really could tell me what it did.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, yeah, we just know that it works, you know.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: And and because of that, I was like, man, I want to get I want to get behind the counter, I want to get knowledge, I want to, I want that education, and um really, really started pushing myself to do it, and then educated some some employees, some actually my best friends that that came and started working with me.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: And um now it's just that that community of things.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, essentially, uh I used to actually be against cannabis, man.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be 100% honest with you guys.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: The first time I'd ever smoked um weed in my life, it was uh some Reggie, you know, a little dirt grown, whatever, and I was fine.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: And uh second time I was with an ex at the time, and he had placed it with synthetic, and I didn't know that.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I fell, hit my head so hard on the ground, I actually had a seizure.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, man, it was it was absolutely insane.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: He actually left me there, it was fucking ridiculous.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but mind you, for years I've been preaching that this shit is not good for you.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: Do not smoke weed, do not smoke weed, do not smoke weed.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I was just uneducated on what really happened um and what synthetic was.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I heard that term synthetic cannabis for years, and I synthetic marijuana, blah blah blah.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know what that is.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: It has nothing to do with weed, man.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's just great up to American.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: You can buy an herb off of uh back in the day it was eBay, right?
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: You can buy an herb off eBay.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: I used to roll my own tobacco cigarettes that way, and you can spray that stuff with whatever chemical you want, and now you're selling it as K2, as spice, as well.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_04: The problem that K when that when that stuff came around, what was it like 10 years ago?
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, at least at least it was so when that stuff came around, these the people that were pushing it are the same people that run the cannabis industry in Texas, the same distributor base out of Houston and Dallas, and the convenience stores.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: I remember being a lot of people.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: They run everything together, you know what I mean?
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_04: And they run all these silly cheesy products.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: The store I bought it from was called K2.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: It was the store was literally called K2, which is a type of synthetic.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that was the names for it.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's I don't they've been around longer than that, mind you, so I don't believe it was off of that, but that was what everybody knew.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go get K2 from K2, and it was like real quick, real quick.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_03: I thought you were a guy.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_03: This whole time.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_03: How does it feel to be like in this industry as a woman as a woman?
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: Man, um, as a female in this industry, there's not a lot of us, and there is, mind you, but they're not here in Corpus.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: So um it's just been it's been really hard to connect, but honestly, I connect so well with people like Renee that are just more medicinally minded and actually for their customers than I do with anybody else.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not gonna sit here and and you know say whatever, whatever, but I just there's people that I take to, and there's people that I avoid at all costs because I don't want to be associated.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, I guess that's good business.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_03: Good business, by the way.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_04: All those uh all those distributors, man, that they would sell you poison for a dollar.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's the that's the money's the money's like the name of the game.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: Unfortunately, yeah.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_03: So the builds on Governor Abbott's desk.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh what would each of you tell him to sway his decisions for businesses and
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_04: locals definitely veto it man i mean even if he doesn't sign it comes it goes into law so i mean he he definitely has to bust out the pen and sign to veto it and that's it i mean that's our only chance veto is basically throw it out throw it out yeah throw it out and and i i think um dan patrick really put themselves uh the whole texas republican party in a in a bad predicament because even if they get this law passed they won't be there next time um i can assure you because even republicans want this you know what i mean right and even republicans are mad about what these people are doing i i have a bunch of republican customers and they're they're came in saying we didn't vote for this shit who's got that most of them don't even know this joker hey to pay taxes november 3rd 2026 and that's why i tell me that's why it's important for you not to vote uh down party because a lot of republicans will just hit that red button and it's all of them yeah down party what it was yeah yeah all are all the way down all vote for people not for parties you gotta sit there and make sure you know who they are for because then we have shit like this they can strip all that red and blue away until after you vote and then you know who you voted for because at this point people are just choosing color side and I'm like yeah it it's but it's gotten so kindergartenish politically yeah you know it's like one side or the other he man she man shit you know what I mean yeah see what sucks for like I I can't I can't even partake in this awesome stuff because I technically still have a job that requires like I can't do that right by man when that last day hits well I mean that's that's another thing like legislatively Texas should uh uh strive for like uh I'm hoping if we do get the veto in the next two years that we could uh start shops can ban together and we can start promoting laws like taking off the employment role.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_04: So California California regulates THC could Texas follow and how would that help?
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: 100% I hope we don't regulate it like can uh like California probably uh yeah we need better regulations I would say I would say I I'm hoping that we could be unique and take from all the legal states take all the good from that from from each of them because California Colorado Oregon they all have good stuff and they all have bad stuff in their laws they all have like California banned the products that we're out here fighting for right they banned them a couple in in California you have access to weed everywhere yeah you got you know what I mean real yeah real and their black markets thriving but that's okay yes because taxes are fucking insane over there but also man like with that all being said I feel like the whole like the cannabis market right like I've I've heard quite a bit of people talk about the lack of lab testing in the cannabis market and how there's a lot of pesticides that are with it in black market too of course full panel for sure right yeah because I see COAs but I don't see full panels that's yeah that's that's prevalent in our industry right what are you talking about so like uh testing wise um a lot of companies will provide the uh one the analysis just one page analysis of the the product yeah it tells you what which forms of THC cannabinoids removal like a C of A like a C of A C O A it shows you the profile but then we have full panels that'll tell you uh what uh what terpenoids what flavonoids are in the flower there's bacteria microbials heavy metals pesticides i mean you want that you want that in your products for the panel so regulation and growth yeah I don't actually whether you shop at our store or not scan the COA on that fucking product that you're buying I don't care where you're getting it from I don't care if you're getting it from me I don't care where you're buying it that lab report look there's a little where's the camera again sorry is that it's no it's all like right there it's not noticeable okay there's a little QR code okay that is so important and I've actually heard there's been two people now that have come to my shop in Portland and said I wanted to scan the QR code on a product and the shop told me no that's weird.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't understand why that would even be an issue that's some strange behavior I've also had people say that they've had uh straight up just going to like an Instagram page or something that's weird too.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: I really really think that if there's not lab reports directly on the product and you're having to jump through hoops to find them yeah get away from that product run the farthest direction and if they have it in their store get out of there immediately you see and I'm and I'm about like logic business sense.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: So you got you got a lotto ticket a lotto ticket that's supposed to support veterans right you buy the lotto ticket and then all that some well some of that money goes to supporting veterans and veterans organizations and technicals right okay okay so what you're essentially doing is you're promoting gambling to help pay for better stuff right so if you treat this just like cigarettes or alcohol and you use a percentage to go to veterans why not or go get teachers higher pay why not go fund hospitals for kids why not who cares where the money comes from like I would I would gladly put pay premium pipe prices for a product like pot if I know it's going to organizations that I deeply care about.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely what did you say the number was earlier 11.3 billion 11.3 billion that that is the uh market share for all of of uh cannabis golly that's amazing yeah that's that's the market share and that's for that's for states cannabis or hemp uh no of uh I believe I it was all of the US oh and that's the market share of like the business uh industry and that's only for states who are are illegal it may have been Texas though may be wrong uh 10 10 10 billion hemp uh industry local local jobs and access and wellness products yeah we we but that was in the 10 billion is from uh 20 it was like three years combined that's where they got the 10 billion I don't think we're doing 10 billion annually supporting the 50 that that makes more sense that you're the market share for all US yeah yeah is that makes it more accurate yeah and and that's the and that's just who's who's like actually getting a product and actually doing it right right you know yeah no I I would say that you know all the markets combined cannabis is probably about a 50 60 million dollar industry right annually the nationally yeah there there's a bunch of different terms there what cannabis is the name of the plant or it's the uh is the the name of the species oh of the plant cannabis what the plant's called hemp or uh marijuana cannabis sativa L.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah cannabis the L is for some long ass patent name what can listeners do to support uh panacea uh coastal butts and the community advocacy and advocacy or action in corpus Christi call abbot email abbot that's all that's left to do is call abbot email abbot keep putting the pressure it's it's work um yeah there was like five was it five thousand letters to abbot yeah well no no no I think yeah it's a lot of people I think we did a hundred thousand signatures and it's it's like a hundred it's almost a hundred and thirty five I think thousand now by the way there's an active uh petition going around to to help veto obviously it wouldn't veto it but um showing great abb that people stand behind us in numbers is the best best best way that you can help right um so really and truly that's that's really what we and vote yeah and vote oh my god remember these people vote pro cannabis candidates I know we're gonna be making sure that people remember ask them before you vote are you pro cannabis so CBD is different is C B D what is C B D C B D okay so can can Panacea and Costa Bud survive on C B D no way why are we I don't think the market share for CBD is the so CBD is very beneficial right but what happened was when CBD was first rolled out the people that control this market um they basically robbed everybody they made all these products from CBD and knowing that the amount of product in that in that was not gonna be bad was not going to be medicinal or beneficial to anybody so they kind of ruined the market and the price insane yeah you people were paying$90 for 500 milligrams you can get 930 milligram one gram part for like nine dollars now of C BD$8 where it was half of that half of that milligram was you know 90 bucks so they kind of ruined the market and I don't see a lot of people going back to CBD to try it.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um I do sell pure C BD isolated capsules that's 900 milligrams per per cap and I've had a couple people buy them and take them and they're like bro if you take three three if I take three of these I definitely get what I'm looking for.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_04: And that's the problem that it takes a lot of MGs of CBD for it to be effective especially in adults.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: Are they month um bottles?
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: No just weeks or whatever.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh okay uh we do I think we do 30 and 60.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah well that's what I'm saying is because because I agree with you there too many especially the capsules for some reason they're a lot more expensive and it seems like a lot of people are having to take more of those especially when it's not a full spectrum product when it's just yeah it's and that's an isolator of yeah that's a big problem too is that it's not really about one uh cannabinoid it's about having the right combination yeah for what what what you L from you need the entourage effect you need all of them to work together so it's just uh C BD is just a component of right yeah okay and don't get me wrong it works by itself but to truly benefit for someone that's been in pain for 20 years someone that had high dose yeah yeah absolutely a really high dose we're we're say 900 milligrams of CBD is probably gonna you're barely gonna feel that whereas 10 milligrams of THC is slow.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_04: You're good yeah did you know that you got too high you can just take a little C B D to calm down yeah C B D is an antagonist and well THCV I've been working on this varietal for a while that one's um THCV is also an antagonist so like um it's probably gonna be a little bit better than CBD because of how it coats the the receptor site and it's non-intoxicating right well that's why it's non-intoxicating because it doesn't it it's not a lock and key it's a coder so kind of like the way that spray for opio opioid overdose yeah how that works that's kind of how T C V works wow dude that's amazing if you if you ever like come across a dude who's like way too high on pie like hey Google C BD man just like I have some on my person every now and then there you go there's apparently a term for that now it's called greened out when you take too much edible I don't know I heard it on a podcast one time.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_03: By the way thank you so much again for this this is really cool man first podcast every yeah do not want to see on every podcast here in Texas dude if it's about this I absolutely will be well you want to talk about aliens I can you go on mine yeah yeah we got we got like three we're we're scheduled for like 30 more minutes but I haven't already gone through everything on here man uh if y'all want to talk about other stuff it's cool uh so just real quick before we start talking about other stuff so what's next uh what is what's next what are some takeaways for listeners of uh what's what's to come uh yeah uh uh let me see let me see what do I got here another quick yeah what's next for so many notes what's the next what's next for businesses and the community uh what's the plan for each of you guys I just pray for all the business owners man there's a lot of people that put a lot of blood sweat and tears and to just get it ripped away over black and white paper you know it's sad being sad yeah a lot of good people a lot of good people in this industry really it's uh I think we're mentioning earlier that uh that that guy is uh Dan Patrick or whoever yeah he's paid by the alcohol industry yeah well he got a lot of money well not a lot of money I have notes on that just something like some guy could get paid for that and just sign the bill or whatever you know I think he also runs the casinos right something or oh I don't know about him owning a bunch all these guys are really shady and so he got 250 000 from the silk silver eagle beverages uh for 2024 uh donor for his campaign uh there are some other things that may have bumped that up to 350 but not not on those are that's alcohol distributor yeah alcohol distributor and this is all from the Texas ethics committee and then he also got 50 grand from the beer alliance of Texas pack whoa so like and alcohol sales have dropped and and like they're talking about like since covet what like three point three point five percent in beer negative three percent in in spirits and negative four percent of wine people are not like partying out like going to like well people are now knowing the alcohol is horrible for you dude absolutely now let me also say I do enjoy a nice cold beer after I work right right right right I like my wine I get it but like the but like the fact that you you can just track all this trend like alcohol sales are going down people are knowing that alcohol is horrible for you people people die like more of of liver failure that died of liver liver uh disease well even more so than that think about all the accidents from alcohol abuse oh yeah think about all the weekends every weekend the wrong way and kill somebody or long term you know we're looking at we're looking at years of wear and tear on the inside of the body and then we're looking at short term like the car accident here's a here's a personal story like in in the marines like I used alcohol a lot for to cope with everything I I would go off duty like around like 4 30 on a Tuesday and it would it would be nothing to me to to kill off a 24 pack of beer uh just to cope with hearing about my friend's death and then going back to work the next morning and that was like my enlistment was for eight years and then getting out dealing with depression anxiety and and and finding answers in the bottom of the bottom of the bottle and I now my body's all fucked up like not just like physically fucked up but like just my liver's jacked thankfully it's thankfully it's to the point to where it's it can be it can like it can heal it can come back but it's it's not like an overnight thing.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_01: But like the the the the fact that it's it was so it was it was so okay for everybody else around me to say like like this is what we do as Marines.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to just get fucked up on here you know we're gonna we're gonna party you know but like no one's talking about the after effects about it no one's talking about the the dependency after you get out because when you get out nobody gives a fuck about us and that's true from the VA nobody gives a fuck about us like the amount of bullshit that comes from from like higher up veteran organizations and not not organizations but like from the higher ups of a VA agency the Department of Veteran Affairs shit that comes out of their mouth is just jacked.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: You're firing you're firing employees you're closing down shops you're uh you're supposedly opening up new clinics but it takes like years or possibly months now to get something and it might have changed but but but the fact that like vets are still uh dealing with the shit that that when they got out and now you're and now you're you're you're saying that okay we found something that helps and you're going to just take it away.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's just it's just it doesn't make any sense.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah it doesn't make any sense.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_01: If especially for the people who who say like oh we're always pro that and oh thank you for your service well yeah but that only happens like two times a year.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_03: So like okay so the other 363 days of the year I I'm I'm I'm just I'm nothing to you right and it's a huge majority of people like like teachers or truck drivers you know what I mean that that helps sustain the the country you know this is this is what it makes me think about.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_01: Nah this is jack man like you if you just follow the numbers and follow everything you'll you'll put two and two together.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_04: So is there any like statistics on be like accidents with people that do like CBD uh not C BD uh uh weed and stuff like that falling off the cherry to get chips I don't know exactly or even if you're driving it's like driver on so I think Colorado put out a a study about their uh and it found that it doesn't impair drivers and it's uh definitely I'd rather be driving with a bunch of high people than a bunch of drunks I mean um I think a lot a lot of times when uh cannabis is highlighted negatively with with uh vehicles is usually they're on both and and being drunk and high is not a good combination crossfaded yeah don't want to be crossfaded right uh thanks for coming out you guys horrible I never experienced that until I got older and I was like damn is this 30s is this what 30s feels like wait till you get in your 40s yeah we did the art walk the other night and I was tired the next day I didn't want to do nothing the next day bro I'm 43 and I'm just like damn am I this tired from just doing that hey we're at the age now you gotta you gotta get up and start walking around dude yeah dude exactly yeah I got you man I'm I'm starting doing karates hey you're not no advocating again hey you gotta be right as part of your business your marketing this is what we do man it's it's gonna be a big part of medicine coming up like medicine's gonna be changing rapidly in the next and that's one thing I can attribute to COVID that COVID uncovered a lot of bullshit in the medical industry doctors are shoot are throwing fucking darts man they don't know either you know what I mean and that's the truth they put you on so much bullshit they don't know and a big part of the reason why they don't know how to treat people is because they a big part of your anatomy is left out of the medical books it's now making its way back in there it's the ECS yeah it it controls every system of your body the endocannabinoid system so our biology we make the same compounds the plant does oh wow and most most of the human elements derive from uh cannabis endocannabinoid deficiency whoa whoa been thinking like uh and that's a term that I I'll point in my book hey nice is we got a book coming out yeah I've been right I've been working I think it's ayahuasca for like four years oh naturally no uh DMT DMT it's hard to finish because everything the dream fast changing right now especially with more money going into the science of cannabis so it's hard to it's hard to finish my book because every month I get a new white paper and I'm like fuck damn I'm gonna go back and read this part are you talking about like the constant changing new new information yeah new science and then new cannabinoids always being discovered now absolutely new variety what do y'all go for that information uh I do a lot on LinkedIn I'm in a couple of uh medical group cannabis medical groups I got a a bunch of doctor buddies that write white papers um basically like medical I got like five medical journals I pay for wow well I gotta watch out because now freaking RFK Jr is about to make sure all that shit's wiped away oh what go through the administration in order to get published for medical journals no way wow yeah oh man I don't know that's that's exactly I think he's pro heroin he was he was uh he was a staunch user of it that's you know his words not mine I hope my video doesn't get taken down demonization to the demon world yeah no I had one flag for they were talking I can't I can't even say it now they were talking about something that and they flagged me and they took the video down oh wow because of something they said uh we deal with that a lot in the Facebook I can't even get into my old account they fucking broke me down bro what are you saying I had like 4,000 followers or some shit and I'm that they have to shared I shared just an educational article about two years ago um it was right after kind of like COVID was sort of dying its way down and um it was basically about this mixture cannabinoid tincture that could help people rebuild like their immune systems and um really help them.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_00: I shared the article I didn't even write the motherfucker and I got banned for 60 days for sharing it.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_00: I was like wow Man, they really just don't want that.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_04: Like censorship is bad.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's crazy.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: News reviews turning, dude.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_01: The fourth turning?
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_01: The first, the fourth.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_03: We were talking about DMT last time, also.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_03: This uh Andy was Andy was talking about it.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_03: That uh DMT, I don't know what it is.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_03: Do y'all know more about that?
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, how do you say it?
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like trips and reds and two.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_04: You did better than it.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_04: That's an experience.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_04: I've tried, man.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_04: It's uh it's intense.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_04: It's beautiful.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_04: I think uh God tried it.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_04: You said you tried it?
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_04: For sure.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_04: Oh many times.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_00: I like the whole Rogan way, the old three big puffs.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there you go.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's uh it's not a recreational drug for sure.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_04: No way, no way, it's not something you're gonna do daily three times a day.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's like something you do once or twice your lifetime.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you want to ask God a question?
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_01: You take that and you ask me, but maybe right there in front of you.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_04: You gotta you can reach uh an endo uh DMT trip, so your your mind produces that as well.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_04: It's called the spirit model.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you can do it through breathing, but if you like if you ever notice all the people that overconsume cannabis, they all kind of have the same trip, right?
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_04: Like the scary one they talk about, like oh my god.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_04: Right, but that's what happened.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_04: They just went through some DMT.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_04: Their brain activated the DMT, and that's the trip they went on.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_04: That's crazy.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_03: I'm spreading these stickers out.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_03: Go ahead and pick a couple stickers.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_03: I thought you were doing it.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_01: What are all these?
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_03: Your stickers.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_03: I have a uh a brand also where I sell t-shirts and stickers and stuff.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's still called Cobra Schristi Originals.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_03: This is just like the podcast.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, right on, right on.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, what's your favorite thing to do while while stand?
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, do you listen to your favorite band, favorite movie?
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, eating a minute, man.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what's your go?
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_04: What's your go-to spot?
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_04: We've been doing really well, as you can tell.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_03: What's your go-to?
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have a go-to spot or you make food at home?
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um, my go-to rest for the boggles.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't doing great things in the community.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_03: He's got a podcast coming up.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh uh if you are after after this one, he'll be in here.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, oh for real?
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um wow.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_04: A couple of awesome uh I live kind of in the restaurant district, so we're like my shop's there.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and uh yeah, bro, it's too easy to go eat good food everywhere.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_03: We're like right in the heart of core food.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I went to your shop yesterday the other day.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_03: Remember, I talked and uh I went came back to the car.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_03: My wife's like, man, babe, you can't go to Chuck E.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_03: Cheese metal like that.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they're fixing our road, and we get construction workers coming in like I can smell you all the way down by the like by the first uh first cat phone.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_03: So yours yours is on Everhart by the old Selena store, I guess.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_03: That's how I remember it.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and where where's your spot at?
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh uh, we're in Portland, man.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_00: So um right off that little first sort of the Moore Avenue exit, um, we're kind of in a it it's called um the the hold on hold on.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's called Old Town Portland.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_00: There we go.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a new LED district that they're doing there, which is this entertainment district that's going up.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um we didn't know about all these plans, mind you.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_00: We got put where we got put because it was an opportunity for us.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_00: And one of my um ex-business partners, he uh kind of jumped into his own thing later on.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: But um, he his dad owned the building.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_00: So essentially we got a really good um deal and a really good placement, but it was such a struggle because of where we're located forever.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_00: So what do you mean struggle?
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, because we're we're in neighborhoods, man.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a little like it's just a little off and a little strange.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta know where it's at.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, no, I mean uh now that we've been there for four and a half years, you know, word of mouth is so huge in Portland that um as long as you, you know, really like I don't, you know, just know your customers and um kind of build that relationship with them, you know, that personal relationship that eventually comes over time, regardless of how long you've known somebody.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, um, then they start telling their friends and their people, and yeah, they're like, yo, that person remembered my name and they only see me one time.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_03: So when y'all got into business, did did y'all know that that was important?
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like having the same customer, like returning customer, or did you just think, oh, customers, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, you I mean that that's the heart of our business, is our uh core customers, right?
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_00: It was never about making the purchase and then never seeing them again.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I I want to make sure you're doing okay.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_04: We've had people walk in that area like strategically part of our I mean, it's I've been doing it since we're I still got buddies from high school.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_04: They're like, bro, I can't believe I've been doing this with you this whole time.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_03: You're like 20-year-old customer, you got your own price, right?
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_03: You got prices from the 90s, bro.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_03: That's awesome.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's cool.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm always wondering about like that because I have a business and stuff like that.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_03: But, anyways, you guys want to keep going?
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_03: But thanks for coming on the show, man.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, how'd y'all feel when I invited y'all on the show?
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_04: No, thank you.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_04: Like I said, thank you for giving us an opportunity to use your platform to um you know lay out our case for for what we do.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um, and definitely tell your grandma and grandpa to come over.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, sir.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_04: You gotta you gotta tell the HEB question.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, uh, which H E B do y'all shop at?
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Or do you avoid Alameda?
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_04: I shop at one.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what's y'all's beef with HEBs?
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, there was a it's ever since I started the podcast.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_03: I would ask ask my dad.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_03: That's my that's my question.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_03: Alameda and uh which one do you go to?
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_03: Which one do you robber?
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_03: Alameda rubber?
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I go on the other alameda, the one on uh Texan.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_03: Texan, you guys only got one up there.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm up in the Audible.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even live in Portland, brother.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_00: I live in Cal Alley.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's my HB.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_03: They forgot a Hobby Lobby out there, didn't you?
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we do.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_00: We should.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_04: They're getting the new one.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_04: H E B is gonna be closer to you on 1889.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't live there anymore.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not about to say where I live on podcasts, and I hope it gets millions of views.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um but no, I don't live right there anymore, man.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I live.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_03: Is it an Annabelle?
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is that the HB Annabelle?
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the way HB.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'll say this though, I avoid certain times.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Is that fair?
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like I will not fucking go when it's like nine o'clock in the morning because everybody is there, and then I won't go late at night.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's the opposite for my HB.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'll go early, early, early or super, super late.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_00: You get to shop on your own and then they're putting out all the 50 like percent off or 25% off on the fruits and veggies.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_00: All about that, dude.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_04: H E B needs more clerks and less machines to pay you for yourself.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_04: H E B needs to sponsor the show.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I we drink, I drink the sparkling water HEB, the 18 uh have y'all tried their new coconut water?
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Never mind, probably not.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, are you a coconut water drinker?
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, miss with a vodka.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_00: Straight up.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, I'm not no, really.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really glad that you said something about alcohol.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm a big fan of alcohol.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I don't drink it because um I know myself and I know my limits, and I don't I don't like the person that I am, right?
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_00: So uh on alcohol, I'll say that.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_00: I love whatever.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so um I'm really glad that you brought that up because this whole SV3 thing that's happening, the the thing that they meant, he mentioned this earlier too, is that they're using children as a shield for this entire thing, which is absolutely insane.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_03: But that's messed up.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it is messed up.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_00: So about two weeks ago, I'm out, you know, drinking with some friends, whatever.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_00: I've got my hometown hero beverage, and they're drinking their, you know, their whatevers, and I'm not the person judge.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, I I you know I'm a drinker here and there, I like my wine.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_00: But looking at these twisted teas, looking at these um drinks, and they're they're bomb-pop flavored and they're like pop rock flavored.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_00: They're kid flavored stuff, man.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_00: They're candies and they're popsicles, and I'm like, this is exactly the argument that they are over here.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Why is this not a battle right now?
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_01: The Arizona and Sunny D Vot uh uh alcohol drinks, those are the worst.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_01: They look like they look like no shit Arizona sweet teas.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh sure, you guys heard about the whole hard hard Mountain Dew situation that just happened in San Antonio.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_03: What's that?
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_03: What happened?
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh teacher gave her um special education student um a drink, drinks for a little thing, and it ended up being hard Mountain Dew, which is um alcohol-infused Mountain Dew.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_00: It looks like Mountain Dew.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's a black can, yeah.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_04: Remember when Twisted Teas came out?
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_04: I bought one for my son.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_04: Oh what a 24.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_04: If it was a twisted tea, I thought it was they look like the Arizona, yeah.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_04: Not really colored, but I don't think this is that tea.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_04: It was a strawberry twisted tea.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_04: I thought I was getting them a strawberry Arizona, like the one you always do.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean my first alcohol party.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_04: I come from a country town was like seventh grade.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my my first party was like a bunch of 14.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't drink until I was older, but um my mom let me have one sip of her, a little Smyrnoff screwdriver, and I hated it and never really drank again.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Dave's mom for the news.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_02: The plug.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, just insane because that that's the whole active fight or whatever, and it's like you guys are attacking the the wrong side of things.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, or if if you're gonna attack one side, why not both?
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Or just leave them both alone.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you you really can't regulate human behavior.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_04: Humans are gonna act like they're gonna act honestly.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_04: So it's a dog, all those laws that try to fix people, you can't fix people.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's why I was like, why why even uh suggest this bill?
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like just let them I like I said, I don't do it.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_03: But those that are like just let them do it, you know, let them do it regulate, you know, regulated to the uh to the right, I guess the right way, I guess you could say.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_04: And I hope I hope if we do get a chance that we uh that we uh become the biggest voice for for regulation and we push the regulation that that is needed for our industry.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_04: It should come from within.
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_04: It shouldn't be somebody who's not in this industry, knows nothing about it, saying, Hey, maybe you shouldn't do that.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_04: It should never be.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, when he was talking about it, it seemed like he didn't know what he was like.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_03: He didn't know what the guy didn't know.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, all all laws are are sponsored by industry.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_04: All the laws they they fashion every year, somebody's paying for that law because somebody wrote it.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_04: Legislators write zero laws, their staff write zero laws.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_04: Industry comes in and says, Hey, we need this law passed.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_04: I'll give you five thousand dollars of campaign contribution right now if you sponsor my bill.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's all lobbyists, man.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_04: It's all lobbyists, bro.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Sad to say, and the way it presented, I I really hate it.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's always the same thing.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_01: You got you know, if at this point it was Dan Patrick, and you had like sheriff, whatever, and then cop over here, and then some industry person like right behind them and all cuddled in.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it just screams, it just which HEB do you shop at, Anthony?
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_01: The the one I the bluff, go bluff, bluff rats.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_01: But let's ask the let's ask the pedacy.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's dope, yeah.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_03: Big H E B.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_04: Doesn't it?
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's dope.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_03: Let's ask the producer, Maya.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_03: Which HEB do you shop at?
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_03: Nice, all right, guys.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if nothing else y'all want to share anything before we go, um again, really just just thank you so much for for having us and letting us be a voice for so many people that either don't get the opportunity or just really can't.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I will say a few things real quick.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Greg Abbott, sir, please, please be tow.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, also, guys, please call, please sign that petition that's going around online.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_00: You can find it on our page, you can find it on uh Panacea's page, I'm sure, too.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it is actively everywhere.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, please just make your voice heard.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_00: The the really cool thing is that neither of you guys currently use um and still see a problem with banning this plant, and you are with so many others that feel the same way.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so regardless if you use this product or not, please uh just consider reaching out.
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're afraid to talk on the phone, call after hours, leave a voicemail, um, write a letter, email a letter.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's so many different options.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_00: There's no excuses, guys.
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_00: Please, please make your voices heard.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_03: Nice, nice, nice.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_03: Anyone else?
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_03: She covered it.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_01: Man, if you're if you're a vet, just get in contact with the VFW American Legion, all those organizations.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_01: They'll they'll point you the right direction to help veto all this nonsense.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_03: All right, all right, here we go.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks a lot, you guys, for on being on the show.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, stay tuned for the next uh episode, Cope Screw Sherrows on the podcast.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_03: And uh I'm gonna share these clips for you guys so that you guys can share them or whatever.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, talk to who is it?
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_03: Email Greg Abbott, tell him to veto the bill.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I I want to say I'm still trying to figure out which side I'm on, so I'm just like just let them do it.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_03: Like just veto the bill because it because taxes, I mean, you could you could tax it, you could do there's so much you keep the revenue in in Texas, you know what I mean?
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_03: You can keep it in Texas, and I think that's huge.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_03: Being a person that talks about uh like uh like money and stuff like that.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's huge.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's just one of the reasons why we can veto the bill.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, that's just my take on it.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_03: You guys stay tuned for the next episode.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_03: We'll see y'all later.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_03: Later.