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Carissa Broadbent: Crowns of Nyaxia & Romantasy · Two Girls, One TBR

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  Hey book babes, welcome back to 2 girls 1 TBR, your chaotic book
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  besties. Here to wreck your reading list.
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  1 Morley Gray band at a time. I'm Rebecca and you can find me
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  over on Instagram and TikTok at Azarella Reads.
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  And here I am with my lovely new Co host.
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  Hi, my name is Kirsty and you can find me over on Instagram as
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  well at BK dot Breeds under score.
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  So how are you doing today, my lovely, sweet friend?
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  I'm doing pretty well, can't complain.
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  The time difference is big, but that's OK.
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  We're we're killing it. We're killing it.
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  Well, right now it is 11/22 for me.
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  What time is it for you right now?
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  Also 1122 but PM. You're getting ready to go into
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  tomorrow for me. Yes, it's nice, though we're on
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  the same day quite often. We're not.
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  Yeah. Well, soon you'll be in the in
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  the same. You'll be closer to me, but
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  behind. Well, but yes, I'm right.
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  I'm going to be behind you instead of.
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  This is so crazy, though. That's so I find it.
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  I'm excited for you to to get over here and start your
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  adventure that you're going to be doing.
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  Yes, I'm so excited to be in the same country as everyone else.
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  It's going to be fantastic. I'm excited for and when do you
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  think, when do you think you'll be actually here?
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  How long do you think it'll be now?
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  Hopefully in the next week or two.
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  Well, that's exciting. By this the time this comes out
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  I should be there. I'm excited.
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  I'm well, again, I told you, like we said earlier, I am going
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  to live vicariously through you through your adventures.
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  So are you going to on your bookstagram, are you going to
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  post a little bit about your adventures on there as well?
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  Or are you going to? Or is your bookstagram just
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  going to stay your bookstagram? I think I'm going to post
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  aesthetically pleasing things that you may find on my trip and
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  where I might be reading from. Yeah.
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  Oh, that would be neat. I think, yeah, picturesque wise,
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  it will be lovely. But yeah, we have another
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  account where we have all of our travels at.
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  What's going on there? Do you have a link tree on your
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  bookstagram so that you can link your other?
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  One. But maybe I should.
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  Maybe I'll get on to that. Because if you do that, then
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  people could, if they wanted to, they could follow your adventure
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  as well. I know, I know.
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  I'm excited to follow you. Thank you.
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  Yeah, it's going to be a great time.
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  So now what are you currently reading, ma'am?
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  I just started, Everyone's going to have to forgive me.
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  I am a Kindle reader because I can't carry on my books with me
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  and I am reading Fear of the Lightest Terrible Fear of
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  Forever by Kennedy Bryant. It is currently an arc that by
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  the time this comes out, it will be out not in Rebecca's genre.
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  This is a contemporary romance. This one is.
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  It's hockey, ice hockey. Oh, OK.
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  So yeah, but it's good fun. Kennedy writes.
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  This is the fourth book in the series, so it's the last one.
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  And she writes, I really like the way she writes in terms of
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  like mental health Rep and stuff like that.
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  So. Now you said it's the fourth
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  book now is it, are you following the same person all
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  the way through or is it like interconnected standalone kind
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  of vibe? Interconnected standalone.
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  So the male made characters are They all play on the same hockey
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  team. So it's got yeah, it's got that
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  sense of found family in it, which is really nice.
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  But it's also very much you could just read the one by
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  itself. You don't need to read.
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  OK, now are they spicy? Yes, of course they are.
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  Of course they are. Yeah.
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  I would have to ask those questions, you know.
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  Yeah, I will be very upfront with you if they are not.
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  Now myself, now please. Tell me.
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  Again, you know, you know, I'm in my my my villain era, but I
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  am reading Kingdom of Silent Sorrows.
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  That's what I'm reading right now by AJ Harris.
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  She is on the podcast a couple weeks ago, but this is her book.
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  I know my light gets it reflects, but she did all the
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  artwork. Let me see.
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  I mean, she does. Oh, her stuff is just so
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  beautiful. Like, let's see here.
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  Like you can see, I know she has one that's a girl that's in here
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  and it's so beautiful. But look at that.
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  Yeah, she does. Wow, yeah, that's insane in the
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  best. Way.
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  Oh yeah, oh, I mean, if you go over and you follow her on on
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  Instagram, AG Harris, you can actually see her actually
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  creating her art and stuff for her, all of her characters and
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  stuff. And I just, I love it because
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  you're seeing what she sees what, what the characters that
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  she created in her mind and that you're actually seeing the
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  actual visual. And I, I love that aspect of
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  that, but it is good. And, and when you see her and
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  she's like so soft spoken and she's so, and she's like the
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  sweetest lady. And I'm like, where did the
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  spiciness that you were writing? Where did it come from?
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  Because you don't you see her. You don't expect it, you know,
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  because she looks very but her spicy, she, she knows what she's
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  doing. Did yeah, good for her.
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  And I really appreciate that she can write and draw.
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  Oh yeah, Like so much talent. That amazes me.
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  Another author that was on the podcast this past year,
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  Ravennavale, she does the same thing.
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  She writes and does her art and Parker A Garner, she also does
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  art, writes and does art as well, too.
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  And I'm like, like, where do you all come from?
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  I can't do either of those things.
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  Yeah, please stop taking all of the talent.
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  Share the love. But now, now the other thing
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  that you are amazing I have to tell you because today our guest
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  is Carissa Broadbent and you power read several the beginning
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  of her books and that it I have to tell you, I am impressed with
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  you how you got through book one and two in how many hours It was
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  not very long. No, it wasn't.
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  I did listen very like iPad up on high audio.
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  I think it would have been like 1.75.
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  So I powered through them. But we, we only landed.
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  So I'm in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia at the moment and we
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  only landed here today. So we had an overnight flight
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  and I was awake for a lot of that.
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  So I've, I haven't really, we haven't really been doing a lot
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  of sleeping. So I've just been reading, which
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  has been fantastic. And also that first geology
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  especially was so captivating. I didn't want, I didn't want to
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  stop listening anyway, it was fantastic.
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  So what is your thoughts on Mr. Vincent now, mind you, Now mind
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  you, he he isn't the main, he's not the main male character of
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  the book. But I do find Vincent quite
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  alluring, I have to tell you. Yes, I can certainly understand
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  why you did when you initially we were speaking about it before
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  I'd read it and I was like, what is she talking about?
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  Like what do you mean this guy's barely here, Like what is going
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  on? But the more I got into it, I
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  was like, OK, I get it, I get it.
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  And then you see more of him in the second part that I was
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  expecting and it was great. Like seeing his point of view
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  was very cool and it brought a lot of Vincent or Victor to
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  light for me. I mean, Heather and I, I mean,
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  we have called him Victor so many times, even though he is
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  Vincent. But but it's hilarious because
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  but you know, The thing is, her and I will have a full on
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  conversation and neither of us will pick up on it that we're
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  calling him the wrong name. I think we're more aware of it
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  now because we've picked up on it so much that we do this.
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  But Oh yeah, we both, we both like Vincent.
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  And if you remember correctly, he has long white hair, doesn't
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  he? Or silver hair white.
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  Is it white or silver? I think it's white.
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  White and just, you know what's come of that.
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  Normally I'm like a, the dark haired MMC is the one that gets
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  me. But there's something about him.
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  I don't know if it's just the power that he, you know, he
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  demands or just his regalness about him.
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  It's because he's a vampire. I don't know what it is, but
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  there's something about I I love him more even though I love
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  Rain. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely
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  love him, but there's something about Vincent.
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  But I'm deep in my villain era, so maybe that's.
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  Why definitely. I definitely think I'm more of a
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  rain girly, but I also think when you eventually start your
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  Throne of Glass journey, there may be someone that you find
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  alluring in the same aspect that you find.
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  Oh, that's interesting. With Vincent, I wonder if anyone
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  else will understand what I'm talking about.
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  Maybe they will, but I don't want to spoil anything for.
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  You now you do have to get to this though.
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  At some point you have to read the novella Now 6.
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  Questions. Yeah.
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  It now everybody look, if you're watching us on on YouTube or on
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  Spotify or what on it's it's not very big.
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  It's probably what is it? Let me see.
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  It's not that long of a a little novella.
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  It is 164 pages, but it is, it's, I think you can only get
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  it in hardback and I love it because it has the little, you
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  know, has the little ribbon. I don't remember.
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  If I love that. Oh, and look at oh look at the
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  the cover on in the inside. Look at Wow and it's stunning
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  and it's just stunning. Oh, absolutely.
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  It just the artwork on them, everything, it's just it's
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  beautiful. But if when you get to this now
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  you got to meet the couple that is in here.
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  In book in the first one, yes. I'm sorry.
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  Book two, Yeah. Festuology Portrait.
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  And ashes in the star curse gate, you'll meet it's Vale and
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  Lilith, but this is their love story and you get to see how
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  that happened and who Lilith was and who Vale was is whatnot.
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  And it's so I just love it. It is so beautiful.
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  So I please don't ever skip it. You know, anybody that's reading
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  the crown Crowns of Niaxia series, do not miss this one
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  because it is so good. It is.
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  I don't know, I just I, I love that.
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  That is probably my favorite little novella I've ever read
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  out of all the books I've ever done.
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  And when we talked to her, because everyone just a little
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  tidbit, we're filming this part after we've already talked to
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  Carissa. We've already so.
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  But I was telling her how much we how much I love this one.
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  And she said she was she wrote that in 2 1/2 weeks.
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  Yeah, that's wild to me. Yeah, I know it's short, but
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  like they pack a punch. Oh, and then when you read it
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  and it's just again, like I said, it's a beautiful love
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  story. That's the other thing about how
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  she writes. That's why I told her she's one
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  of my auto buy authors. I love how she writes in the
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  scenes that she writes with them, with her characters, the
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  love stories that she's making, she's creating and it's they're
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  beautiful and it's not, you know, and you know, you'll have
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  that enemies to lovers thing and and she writes it perfectly to
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  it. It's not like you'll see it and
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  then they're immediately, you know, together, you know, you
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  know, some books you'll read that this she does the slow
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  burn. I mean, it's perfect.
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  Yeah, does it very well, very well.
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  And I love. I often struggle with romanticy,
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  especially with the first book and the world building and it's
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  just so much information all at once.
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  And it's just kind of info dumped on you, right?
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  But oh, absolutely. I don't know how she does it,
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  but she just writes it. So Florida State and it just
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  kind of all the information that you need just slots in when you
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  need it and you kind of just learn about the world as you go
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  along, which I love because I can actually take the
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  information in and remember it, right?
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  But if you're telling me 27 different names of things in the
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  1st 10 pages, I'm not going to remember them by the end of the
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  book. Do you know what I mean?
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  We'll see like a lot of people have issue with the Plated
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  Prisoner series with the first book Guild.
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  That and because like a lot of people get it and they'll
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  they'll start reading it and then they might quit after book
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  one or not even make it through book 1 because they're like, I
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  don't get it. I don't understand where this is
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  going, that kind of thing. But you have for that particular
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  book on book 1, you have to read that.
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  It is a tremendous amount of world building.
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  But you know, and you don't mean my my book husband until book 2,
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  but you know, it's one of those ones.
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  You have to have that world building in that particular
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  series. You have to have that to get to
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  where the journey goes. I've heard people say that also
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  about Akatar with the, you know, 1/4 thorns and roses with the
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  first book. Like some people they'll, they
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  had a hard time reading that first book.
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  You know, I've heard some people even had quit halfway through it
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  and didn't, you know, didn't finish.
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  And I'm like, it's so beautiful once you get, I mean, I loved it
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  though myself personally, but you know, but that's just me
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  though. I don't, I don't know.
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  Did did you have now? Did you struggle with Akatar?
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  With no but I I think I didn't struggle with Akatar because I
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  read Throne of Glass first. OK, OK, so you're already used
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  to her writing. Style.
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  Yes, and I wouldn't say she info dumps, but the first throne of
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  glass is very much is very different in the sense that you
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  do learn so much and you have to really be in that world straight
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  away. Where I didn't find that as much
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  with ACOTAR because it was kind of like you were between 2
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  worlds right? The humans and the non humans.
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  Like do you know what I mean? Yeah, I know what you're saying.
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  I know what you're saying. Yeah, I.
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  Did struggle with Crescent City though, just to throw that one
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  in there as well. What what for you, what was was
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  it because with Crescent City, is it because it was more like
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  urban type setting since it was so very different than the other
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  two series or or was it the story itself that was difficult?
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  What, what, what was it with Crescent City that did that for
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  you? I.
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  Don't know, I was just overwhelmed in general.
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  Do you know what I mean? Like I found quite quickly I got
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  quite attached. And then obviously, you know,
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  things change. And then, yeah.
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  And then you learn and you meet so many people really quickly.
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  And then I think, I think, yeah, to be honest, maybe my brain did
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  struggle a little bit with the. You've got all of these romantic
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  elements be in this urban world. It took my brain a little while
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  to get around that. Maybe.
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  I'm not sure. But I mean, I was in it.
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  I was in it. I mean, it is a lot of
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  characters and when you read Crescent City, because it is
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  very different than Sarah's, you know, other two series.
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  And I mind you, I haven't read sort of glass, but I I do know
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  from other people saying that it is different.
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  It's very different than than Acatar because it is like more
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  modern, like our more modern world.
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  It's but there's a lot of different types of characters.
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  You have more shifters, you have, you have Faye, you have
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  vampire, you have mermaid. I mean there's human that I mean
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  there's a lot of moving pieces. And then you have the Esteri
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  people, which is something altogether different.
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  And then you're reading the beginning of the book and you're
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  like, oh, you know, you're just happy and you're going along.
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  And then you get, I think it's like maybe 5 chapters and
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  something like that. And then there's something,
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  something catastrophic event happens and it alters the, the
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  timeline, it alters the rest of the books and, and the female
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  main character is Bryce. And the this event that happens,
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  it rocks her entire foundation of what she thought she'd do.
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  And the entire rest of the series, she's trying to figure
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  out how this what this event, how did this happen?
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  Why did this happen? And she thought she knew, but
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  she didn't know. Yeah, I guess.
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  You know, yeah, 100% and you. But I really like in Crescent
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  City that you learn everything with her, right?
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  Like the the narrator isn't keeping anything from you.
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  You're learning it with them. And then you kind of feel how
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  she would feel, which I really like.
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  And you go through those emotions, which I think for me,
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  when I got to the third book, it made me so much more emotional
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  because you're still so invested in what happened in chapter 5 of
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  the first book that you're then, you know, these books are 800
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  pages each. And you're nearly at the end of
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  the third book and you're still thinking about Chapter 5 like
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  crazy. And it's, and it's so
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  interesting. And then of course, the thing
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  that I didn't realize, I mean, I, I'd heard people say this,
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  but I didn't realize. If you have read ACOTAR, it is
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  very important for you to read Crescent City because when you
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  get to book 3, there's questions you have from ACOTAR.
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  They answer things in Book 3 from there and there's crossover
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  kind of thing. So before a Qatar 6 comes out,
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  everybody please read Crescent City.
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  It's very important because I do feel that will play a role in
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  whatever's upcoming. But but it's so, so good.
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  I loved it. I absolutely love Crescent City.
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  I didn't, I didn't have any expectations 100%, you know,
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  going into it as much. I just was like, oh, because it
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  sat on my shelf for probably 6 months, something like that.
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  Because I think I got them for my birthday last year.
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  So and then I didn't start reading it until like around
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  Christmas time. I think it's when I started
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  Crescent City. And then I finished it in like
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  the beginning of February or something like that.
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  The trilogy. But it is so good.
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  It is. It is so good.
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  Again, I'm so excited for book 6 to come out in October.
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  I just. Me too.
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  I just wonder in my mind one, who's going to be the point of
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  view? Is this going to be a
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  continuation of Nesta or do we think Nesta's, do we think her
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  storytelling is done because she was a prominent, you know, she
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  was that very prominent person at the end.
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  I mean, is it going to be Elaine?
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  Is it going to be more? Could it be Ameren?
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  You know, I don't, I don't know. Do you think it would be one of
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  the guy's point of view? I mean, surely we have to get
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  Azrael's point of view at some stage, right?
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  Yeah. He's my favorite.
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  You know, you know he has the the largest wingspan.
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  He does, he does, and he's definitely gives to me.
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  He gives the biggest shadow daddy energy out of the three of
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  them. Well, you know, I have so many
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  questions in regards to him. You know, who is his father?
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  Where does his shadows come from?
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  Because now this, this is again, I do not feel he will end up
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  with Elaine. I do because when his shadow
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  sees her, they want to hideaway. But when he's with Gwen, they
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  sing. So that tells me I I think she
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  is his, his mate. I think when we're going to find
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  out that she is his one. But I think something with
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  Elaine. There's something about Elaine
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  that doesn't ever sit right with me.
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  Yeah. So I don't know.
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  I think she's at. We know she's a seer.
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  We know that. But where will that come into
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  play in Book 6? So I mean, do we think it's
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  going to be her point of view? Don't know I mean I it could go
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  either way right? Like, I don't want it to be her
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  POV if it's going to be boring. But I mean, it never would be
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  because it's serodo mess, obviously.
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  But like, if it's Elaine's POV and then we find out that
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  actually, you know, she's a bit evil, and then maybe her and
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  Tamlin team up or something. Like I could get around that.
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  I could get around Tamlin and Elaine.
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  I really could. Now this is now this is my
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  thought that I have a lot of Tamlin theories because the
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  Internet has done this to me because I have, because we have
• 22:48
  I have my a guitar series, our little mini series that we do.
• 22:52
  And I look up theories that people say people's theories
• 22:55
  have me thinking now one, would it be weird though, if Tamlin
• 23:00
  would be with Elaine after he's been with her sister Pharaoh?
• 23:03
  Would that be weird? I don't think so, Not
• 23:08
  necessarily, because if we were looking at Elaine getting with
• 23:11
  Azrael and Sarah J Mass wrote that scene of Nestor, Cassian
• 23:15
  and Azrael, then surely that would have been fun.
• 23:18
  Yeah. I'm still very bummed that we
• 23:20
  never got that. One can hold out hope, right?
• 23:26
  You never know what might happen.
• 23:28
  Oh well, you never know. But see now this is the other
• 23:31
  weird theory. Because now when Tamlin and
• 23:34
  Farah when she was first at his place, because remember he make
• 23:39
  he mentions to her, did your you know, why didn't your mother
• 23:43
  tell you about us? He was very specific about her
• 23:46
  mother, not her father, not other people, her mother.
• 23:51
  So I wonder, is it possible because again, I do not think
• 23:54
  Mama Archeron was all human. I do not think so.
• 24:02
  And there's a reason why they lived that close to the wall and
• 24:06
  they could have lived anywhere. Why did they live there?
• 24:11
  So I wonder sometimes, like if she, if she was from their
• 24:17
  world, you know, from the fae world, was she possibly again a
• 24:20
  witch, wink, wink. Or which even though I haven't
• 24:24
  read that, I haven't read Thrown a Glass, but I think there's
• 24:27
  something to do with that. And what, what now?
• 24:32
  What if it's a possibility that Tamlin and Phaedra's mother had
• 24:37
  once had a relationship? And what if, no, wait, get ready
• 24:40
  for this. What if Nesta is Tamlin's
• 24:45
  daughter because her and Papa Archeron never got along?
• 24:51
  Think about it. They didn't get along.
• 24:53
  She had her mother's eyes. We know that Elaine has Papa
• 24:57
  Archeron's eyes because because Sarah makes this very specific.
• 25:03
  And then we know Farah has her mother's eyes.
• 25:05
  So what if this is the theory that's out there?
• 25:08
  What if Nesta, she had had Nesta with Tamlin?
• 25:13
  We're going to just put it, we'll just put Tamlin and and
• 25:17
  then Papa Archeron married her and then they just never said
• 25:20
  anything and just he raised her as his own and then they went on
• 25:23
  to have their own two children. I don't know how I feel about
• 25:28
  that because you'll match in. But yet there's a lot of stuff
• 25:34
  we just don't know. Mama Archeron's never, her
• 25:36
  name's never said, but we know that she was raising Nesta to
• 25:41
  marry a Prince or nobility or whatever.
• 25:44
  And then in Silver Flames she makes mention of her grandmother
• 25:48
  and she was very stern and all this.
• 25:51
  And remember she would make her take dance lessons and all these
• 25:55
  kind of things. I'm like, what happened to that
• 25:57
  Lady? Where did she go?
• 25:59
  Again, we haven't seen where any of these people.
• 26:02
  They never mentioned that they go see their graves or anything
• 26:06
  so I'm still not sold that Mama Archeron is dead.
• 26:09
  So again, if they don't die on Paige.
• 26:12
  Yeah, you've. Are they really dead?
• 26:15
  Are they somewhere else? I'm telling you, I have so many
• 26:20
  theories I. We could be here all day.
• 26:23
  Oh my God. So I mean, but I mean, again,
• 26:25
  that's coming out, you know, in October.
• 26:27
  So so yes, I'm excited about it. So I have a lot more theories
• 26:32
  out there because people have been, people have even more
• 26:36
  crazy theories I thought I had. Tapped into.
• 26:41
  Well, I thought I had tapped into the most crazy, but now it
• 26:44
  seems there's even more. So hopefully over between now
• 26:47
  and when the book comes out. Was it the 27th?
• 26:53
  Is that right of October? I think is when Acutar sounds
• 26:56
  about right. It's something like that in
• 26:58
  October. Yeah, I hope to be able to do
• 27:03
  some ACOTAR miniseries so, so we all can discuss these.
• 27:10
  There he is. And see if Tamlin.
• 27:11
  Most definitely. No, I mean, she said she doesn't
• 27:15
  know if Tamlin will have a redemption arc, but what I think
• 27:20
  that Sarah would tell us that and then give him some form of
• 27:24
  redemption. I think absolutely, I think she
• 27:26
  could do it. I mean, I understand what she
• 27:28
  was saying when she was talking on the podcast this March saying
• 27:34
  that, you know, she has to be very careful of what she does
• 27:37
  with Tamlin because she has had friends that have been in those
• 27:41
  kind of situations and relationships.
• 27:44
  But, you know, I have to, I have to credit Chelsea to this
• 27:48
  because she would always say that she could redeem him.
• 27:52
  I mean, he he really, he has been through it himself.
• 27:56
  He's had a tremendous amount of trauma.
• 27:58
  So I mean, is he redeemable? Do you think he is?
• 28:05
  Do you think he could be brought back from where he's at?
• 28:09
  Remember, he's mostly in beast form right now and kind of
• 28:12
  living like a crazy person now and.
• 28:15
  Yeah, maybe if he did some soul searching, maybe if they had
• 28:21
  like fae therapy that he could go to he.
• 28:24
  Eats it for. Sure, he really does.
• 28:27
  Maybe. Maybe he just needs to find.
• 28:31
  I know we love Lucian, but maybe he just needs to find a new
• 28:36
  friend that can help him on the right path and maybe he will on
• 28:42
  his adventures. Maybe then he finds someone who
• 28:45
  helps him on his path, and then if that's who he falls in love
• 28:48
  with it. Could be he needs a strong woman
• 28:53
  is who he needs to tell him to knock.
• 28:56
  It off. We have seen this.
• 28:58
  We have seen it from Sarah J Maas before, where we've seen
• 29:01
  people that we don't like, who we've liked and then we don't
• 29:05
  like and then they get their redemption mark.
• 29:07
  We have seen it before. Well, yeah, I mean you.
• 29:10
  So will we see it again? Will you take Nesta, for
• 29:13
  example? You know, people either love her
• 29:17
  or they hate her. A lot of people did not like
• 29:20
  her. But I mean, I understand why
• 29:22
  people don't like her. You know, they're struggling and
• 29:25
  all that. But you have to always remember
• 29:28
  everything that we have learned and everything we knew from the
• 29:31
  first three books. That is all Pharah's
• 29:34
  perspective. Point of view, yeah.
• 29:36
  So. So of course she's going to see
• 29:39
  Nesta in that light, because in her mind Nesta wasn't helping.
• 29:44
  But then we found out, like in Silver Flames, that she was
• 29:48
  doing things to try to help the family that Pharah didn't know.
• 29:54
  Didn't know, yeah. She didn't know what happening.
• 29:57
  I think a lot of people would be in the same boat as me.
• 29:59
  The first three books I was like, I don't really like Nesta,
• 30:03
  but then in Silver Flames she was so relatable to me.
• 30:09
  Like with her struggles and stuff like that.
• 30:12
  Obviously probably not to the same extent, but like I think a
• 30:16
  lot of people can relate to her. And I think you see a big divide
• 30:20
  now where people have changed their point of view because they
• 30:23
  go, Oh, well, actually you shouldn't judge someone based on
• 30:27
  what someone else has told you, right?
• 30:29
  Do I think that Nest is the most pleasant person?
• 30:33
  Absolutely not. She's married.
• 30:35
  She's very bristly. You know, it's but that's who
• 30:39
  she is and that's how she was raised.
• 30:42
  You know, she was raised by Mama Archron and Grandma whatever,
• 30:47
  because we don't have a name. We just have Grandma, you know,
• 30:51
  I mean, she was raised in that particular way.
• 30:54
  But you know, I mean, she had a lot of bad shit happened to her,
• 30:58
  you know, I mean, the family fell to the hard times and what
• 31:02
  she was doing to try to help the family.
• 31:04
  And then, you know, you know, Farrah, you know, leaves.
• 31:09
  She did. Elaine didn't try to go and find
• 31:12
  her. Nesta went to find her and she
• 31:14
  was going to go over the wall to find her.
• 31:17
  You know, I mean, she loves Farrah.
• 31:21
  I mean, I don't think if she wouldn't have cared about her,
• 31:24
  she would have never got that mercenary to help her and try to
• 31:28
  save Payra. But you know, people forget
• 31:32
  that. And then she got stolen out of
• 31:34
  her bed in the middle of the night, her and her sister, and
• 31:37
  then they got thrown in the Cauldron.
• 31:39
  She didn't know what was going to happen to her when that when
• 31:42
  that happened. But I do like.
• 31:44
  One of my favorite things though, is when she went in and
• 31:46
  she pointed at him. Yeah.
• 31:50
  I was like, ha ha, but I don't, I don't know.
• 31:53
  And then you get into Silver Flames and you see a lot more.
• 31:57
  I understand why she's like losing her mind and why she's
• 32:00
  drinking and why she's sleeping with every guy she can.
• 32:02
  She just, she had a lot of trauma to deal with, you know, I
• 32:07
  mean, and I guess like you're looking at, you know, like how
• 32:11
  recent and favorite were like, well, this is it.
• 32:14
  You're going to live at the House of Wind and you're going
• 32:16
  to have to do whatever. I don't think they understood
• 32:19
  her trauma very well. No, no, not at all.
• 32:22
  And they were so wrapped up in themselves.
• 32:26
  Don't get me wrong, I love Race and Farrah, but they were so and
• 32:31
  that's, it's understandable. Like they were wrapped up in who
• 32:35
  they were and what was happening in their lives that obviously it
• 32:39
  would have been even harder to see her perspective.
• 32:42
  Well, and then they were dealing with their own traumas itself,
• 32:45
  you know, I mean, Farrah went through a lot under the
• 32:47
  mountain. I mean, that was a lot, you
• 32:50
  know, and, and all those things. And then, you know, we always
• 32:53
  say like, well, Reese, you know, he did.
• 32:55
  I mean, he had a rough 50 years under the mountain with
• 32:58
  Amarantha. He was doing what he had to do
• 33:02
  to survive because she did kill off multiple high Lords Because
• 33:09
  what is it? What's the one Tarquin?
• 33:13
  The one that begins with AK? The one that's up in the Winter
• 33:16
  Court? Celius aside, his name?
• 33:18
  That could be wrong, I don't know.
• 33:20
  Begins with AK and then Thiessen.
• 33:23
  Those one they became High Lords under the mountain because their
• 33:27
  fathers were killed. Because they got.
• 33:31
  So he did what he had to do to survive.
• 33:35
  And also, of course, he was protecting his city that was
• 33:38
  hidden, that nobody knew existed, and they were all
• 33:41
  having the best time up there. Well, a lot of other people are
• 33:45
  under the mountain, so I don't know.
• 33:46
  I, I'm excited. I, I want to know.
• 33:49
  When do you think she's going to release the title?
• 33:51
  We're not that many months out. No, we're not really, are we?
• 33:57
  Surely, surely soon. I wonder how long you leave it.
• 34:01
  But even before then, we've got the novella, the 4th Wing
• 34:05
  novella coming out, and that doesn't have a title either.
• 34:08
  That comes out in September, is that right?
• 34:11
  Yeah. Yeah, I haven't read middle of
• 34:13
  September. You've read all.
• 34:16
  Yeah, I take it you've read All for me.
• 34:18
  So. Well I'm assuming the this
• 34:22
  novella is going to. It's not a prequel or anything
• 34:25
  novella so I'm assuming it's going to be a transition maybe?
• 34:30
  I'm assuming it's a different POV of the city.
• 34:34
  We may be getting the because it's all, I don't know.
• 34:41
  It's so hard whether or not she's going to give us because
• 34:45
  there's a, there's a section at the end of the third book that
• 34:48
  kind of goes missing and whether or not she's going to give us
• 34:53
  that from someone else's POV because Violet, the female main
• 34:58
  character, loses her memories. So whether or not we see that
• 35:03
  from someone else's point of view, and that's what the
• 35:04
  novella is, or it could, it could be anything.
• 35:09
  Well, yeah, it could be anything.
• 35:11
  That's interesting. See, I, I haven't read it
• 35:13
  because everybody tells me all the books and in a cliffhanger
• 35:17
  and then there's always big gaps and chunks between the books.
• 35:21
  So I'm waiting until they're all out and then I'm going to read
• 35:26
  them. Like with Lost memory kind of
• 35:29
  thing. If you watch or not watch, if
• 35:31
  you read Bewitched by Laura Falasa, that is, it's a memory
• 35:36
  thing happening in that book because you follow I for some
• 35:41
  reason I'm thinking her name's Celine.
• 35:43
  I could be wrong. The main female man character.
• 35:45
  It's been a little bit since I've read it, but she's a witch
• 35:49
  and it and she's joins this account.
• 35:52
  It's like a a witch's school kind of thing.
• 35:55
  That's just subplot in the thing.
• 35:57
  That's not the main thing. And but every time she uses her
• 36:01
  magic or she does stuff, she loses more of her memories.
• 36:05
  And so she has like, so she has like notebooks and notebooks and
• 36:09
  she writes everything down and all kinds of stuff.
• 36:13
  And that also plays a part in things.
• 36:15
  But there's a reason why she's losing her memories.
• 36:18
  And you will find out. You will find out.
• 36:22
  But it is so good. And then you will meet my second
• 36:25
  book husband. If you have not read these, his
• 36:28
  name is Memnum and he's 2000 years old and he's so and he and
• 36:37
  the way he talks to her and how, oh, he's so dirty it you know
• 36:41
  how Kingfisher and and Quicksilver is just so dirty.
• 36:45
  He's he's he's he's very dirty like that.
• 36:48
  Also, my book has been in the the plated prisoner.
• 36:52
  He's he's very, he's very dirty as well.
• 36:56
  All narrated by the same person as well, if you were wondering
• 37:00
  on audio. Oh God, oh I love I love
• 37:04
  Kingfisher. Now I I'm not an audio book girl
• 37:09
  but I have heard the clips and stuff and when he talks about
• 37:13
  with Kingfisher with them with one person being on their knees
• 37:17
  and that is one of the best clips.
• 37:21
  The same narrator does in the graphic, you know how they're
• 37:25
  doing graphic audio now of some books.
• 37:27
  Yeah. So in Acatar he does recent in
• 37:31
  the graphic versions of those as well.
• 37:33
  So all of those main mail that that vibe.
• 37:38
  Does he do He does the play to prisoner too?
• 37:41
  Does he do the? He does, yeah.
• 37:46
  And he just did. Have you read Metal Slinger?
• 37:49
  I have it sitting on my shelf. I have not read it like Light
• 37:53
  wielder comes out or just came out here like a week or so ago.
• 37:57
  Yes I just read it. Well I listened to it on
• 37:59
  audiobook and he did the guy in that too.
• 38:04
  Good for you though to have not have read Metal Slinger because
• 38:08
  then you don't have to wait ages because of that's probably the
• 38:11
  worst cliffhanger I've ever read in my entire life.
• 38:14
  Heather said the same thing. Heather, Heather read the whole
• 38:18
  thing and she was like, oh, this is so good.
• 38:20
  And there's like on the in the back of it, there's like a like
• 38:23
  a couple extra chapters or something at the back.
• 38:26
  And she was like, oh, maybe it'll, you know, give me an idea
• 38:28
  what's coming on the next one. And she's like, it's like, she's
• 38:31
  like, she was so bad. She was like, it's 10 years or
• 38:33
  five years in the future and didn't give me any answers to
• 38:36
  what was happening. And she's she was very upset
• 38:39
  about that. But now is that it that was a
• 38:42
  duology or is this so lights or light wielder, that was the end,
• 38:48
  right? Yeah, well.
• 38:52
  Maybe OK. It's a duology.
• 38:54
  I think it's going to be kind of like Carissa, like a duology.
• 38:58
  And then I would imagine maybe it would go again, like
• 39:01
  different people, but same. OK, same word.
• 39:04
  Well, I reckon it would be quite similar.
• 39:06
  Actually to be. Honest.
• 39:08
  Yeah, interesting. But no, I do have it.
• 39:11
  I do have it sitting on my, my shelf waiting for me.
• 39:15
  I, I have AI think I have 100 books.
• 39:18
  I'm a collector. I am a curator of books.
• 39:21
  I just don't read as fast as some people do.
• 39:24
  But I, as I thought, well, as I, as I, I, I pay attention, I look
• 39:29
  at how people are reviewing things and if people are saying
• 39:33
  it's a banger and I know it's going to be 5 stars all day, you
• 39:37
  know, kind of thing. I buy it goes on the shelf.
• 39:40
  You should see what I have pre-order.
• 39:42
  You should see I have all kinds of things in pre-order.
• 39:44
  I mean, I, I know everything that Carissa, everything that
• 39:48
  she has done I know is amazing because I've read how she
• 39:52
  writes. I love it.
• 39:53
  I know her her daughter of no worlds.
• 39:56
  What I always call that because that's the first book.
• 39:58
  I always forget what the actual series is called.
• 40:01
  It's the war of lost hearts. I I never call it that.
• 40:05
  I always say daughter. Neither do I.
• 40:06
  So do I. You know, I know, I mean, I've
• 40:11
  seen so many people. I mean, this is the third one,
• 40:14
  but I have so many people have said that this is an absolute
• 40:18
  amazing series. So I'm very thank my husband got
• 40:20
  that for me for Christmas. So I know she's an auto buy, but
• 40:24
  I have her. I have Laura Thalassus because
• 40:26
  like I said, Bewitches the fourth.
• 40:29
  Well, it's the third book in the series, but there's four books
• 40:32
  because there's a prequel in there.
• 40:34
  Again, if you read that, read Bewitched, read be Spelled, then
• 40:37
  read The Curse of Binds, because if you read The Curse of Binds,
• 40:42
  then you know, you know more it it takes the mystery out of the
• 40:46
  other two books, if that makes sense.
• 40:48
  Yeah, Yeah. And again, I've read it and I
• 40:52
  knew what was coming in The Curse of Binds, and I still
• 40:54
  cried. It got me.
• 40:56
  When a book makes you cry, you know, it's a good book.
• 40:59
  So I'm excited for a Bedeviled that comes out in August.
• 41:03
  I believe in quarter three. I have here, I have 16, there's
• 41:07
  16 books that are coming out that I'm super excited about and
• 41:10
  I have. Wow, I have a lot of different
• 41:12
  ones. Pre pre-ordered now are you?
• 41:14
  Oh yeah, because you're going to be all over the place, so you
• 41:16
  won't be getting physical copy, you'll be getting.
• 41:19
  No one Kindle though I will be. Yes.
• 41:22
  My husband has limited me to 5 physical books in the car so
• 41:30
  we'll see how that goes. It might not last very long, but
• 41:34
  yes, I have a lot on my Kindle. How many do you do Kindle
• 41:39
  Unlimited? Or do you just pick and choose
• 41:41
  as you go? I do both.
• 41:44
  I also do a lot through my library because my library has
• 41:51
  three different apps that I can use to do audio and ebooks, so
• 41:55
  they're really good and they've got a decent range.
• 42:01
  Nick, does your library, do they do the graphic audios too or do
• 42:03
  you have to do that separate? I don't know because I don't
• 42:06
  know does the library do they do graphic audio?
• 42:09
  Yeah, my library did Graphic Audio.
• 42:11
  That's how I did this, the Crescent City.
• 42:14
  I did the third Crescent City on Graphic Audio.
• 42:18
  Interesting experience. Very fancy, but now.
• 42:24
  But now me. I like I love having a a book in
• 42:27
  my hand. I have to say.
• 42:29
  Now I but now I do mix though. Now this is paperback I have.
• 42:34
  I love a good paperback and I love it because this has that
• 42:36
  flop to it. You know what I mean?
• 42:39
  Oh, I love a good flop too, but yet I have some of her books.
• 42:43
  This only comes in hardback, but I have Fallen and The Kiss of
• 42:46
  Dusk. I have that one.
• 42:47
  It's hardback. All the other ones are
• 42:49
  paperback. I mix a match.
• 42:52
  Does that bother you when you do that?
• 42:54
  Look a little bit, yeah, but in Australia most of our books come
• 42:59
  out first in paperback and then come out in hardback, not the
• 43:03
  other way. I.
• 43:04
  Wonder why it does that? I don't know.
• 43:08
  I don't know because everyone, I remember they made a big deal
• 43:10
  about ACUTAR and everyone was. Like, Oh my God, it's.
• 43:13
  Going to come out in hardback and it's going to be different
• 43:16
  from my paperbacks. And I was like, OK, so how many
• 43:18
  copies of ACUTAR 6:00 AM I ordering and deliver it to the
• 43:22
  US because they're in paperback and not in hardback?
• 43:25
  You see, I now I have a guitar, but I have the paperback, so I
• 43:29
  have the colorful set. But.
• 43:32
  I have, I have book 6 pre Ord and it's going to be hardback.
• 43:36
  So it's not and it's not going to match.
• 43:40
  So I have now I am not a person. Now some people like you know,
• 43:43
  they like to buy multiple copies of the same book.
• 43:47
  I don't I don't do that, but I I am contemplating possibly doing
• 43:51
  that with a guitar if I want my set to match.
• 43:56
  Yes, because, yeah, otherwise you've got to wait.
• 43:58
  Like how long have you got to wait for that paperback to come
• 44:00
  out? You just don't know it right?
• 44:01
  Well, if it's October, I'm going to say at least six months.
• 44:06
  It could be before paperback. I'm not waiting that long to
• 44:09
  find out what's happened. You'll be lucky to last a week
• 44:12
  without spoilers on social media.
• 44:15
  I know and also people, when you do get to that, hold off, calm
• 44:20
  your tits. You know, don't post spoilers,
• 44:24
  people, you know, people want to know things or or market like do
• 44:29
  a carousel, multiple slides and say spoiler, don't go forward
• 44:33
  spoiler 'cause it's it's awful when you're, you know, you're
• 44:36
  reading a book or you're going to read a book that's just come
• 44:39
  out. Maybe you didn't get to read it
• 44:41
  right at the exact moment everyone else did.
• 44:44
  And then you start seeing spoilers and stuff like that.
• 44:48
  That's Boo. Don't do that.
• 44:50
  That's that's not nice. No.
• 44:54
  So now, so now we will be right back, even though this is
• 44:58
  technically after the fact, but for you, we will be right back
• 45:03
  with Chris Abrobend I. Hope you enjoy it, we had a
• 45:06
  fabulous time. Oh.
• 45:07
  Absolutely. And Elsa, She is the sweetest
• 45:10
  lady in the entire world. The nicest lady, honestly.
• 45:14
  Absolutely. And hopefully and hopefully
• 45:17
  she'll come back later on this year or maybe the beginning of
• 45:20
  next year and come visit us again because she was very, she
• 45:24
  was very enjoyable. So we'll see you in a few
• 45:26
  moments. Yeah, bye.
• 45:31
  Hello and welcome Carissa Broadbent, now a #1 New York
• 45:36
  Times and US today. Best selling author and also the
• 45:41
  vampire romantic Sea Queen. Welcome.
• 45:44
  How are you? I am wonderful.
• 45:47
  Thank you so much for having me. I am so happy.
• 45:51
  I have to tell you now, my friend Heather, she's another
• 45:55
  one of my Co hosts on the podcast. her and I have we
• 45:59
  always rave all the time about about your books.
• 46:03
  And I have to tell you, Mr. Vincent, that is in the first
• 46:07
  duet, for some reason, her and I call him Victor all the time.
• 46:14
  We have done full episodes where we've been talking and have a
• 46:18
  full conversation and not realize it.
• 46:20
  And for some reason, Vincent is Victor to us.
• 46:24
  You are not the only one. He gets called Victor a lot, so
• 46:27
  I'm not not offended by that. Neither is he, I'm sure.
• 46:30
  Well I as you can tell I loved. I love the serpent in the wings
• 46:34
  tonight and I absolutely I loved 6 scorch roses.
• 46:38
  This is my absolute favorite novella I've ever read.
• 46:43
  I just, I love it and I love well, as you can tell, I love it
• 46:47
  and I annotate. I am so excited for your
• 46:51
  upcoming book that's coming out on what is it, August 4th
• 46:55
  August. 4th. And that is book, and that's
• 46:59
  book one in the last duet of the of the series.
• 47:05
  Yep. So it's the penultimate book of
• 47:07
  the whole series. We're getting towards the end.
• 47:10
  Very surreal. I am so excited.
• 47:12
  I I have read the first three. I also have you're slaying the
• 47:16
  vampire conquer. I have it.
• 47:19
  They're all staring at me from my bookcase, but I have I
• 47:23
  haven't had a chance to and I also have my husband bought me
• 47:26
  for Christmas. I have all of this series as
• 47:30
  well of yours. Oh well, I'm sorry to keep you
• 47:33
  so busy. I, I love it.
• 47:37
  I absolutely love it. Now question for you, So what
• 47:40
  are you currently reading or what is keeping you up at night?
• 47:46
  My 3 year old mostly. I am actually not reading
• 47:51
  anything right now because I just.
• 47:54
  I don't have the the time that the brain space.
• 47:57
  I have like very bad pregnancy brain because as I was telling
• 48:00
  you guys before we started rolling, I am at time of
• 48:04
  recording 8-8 months and change pregnant and also trying very
• 48:09
  hard to finish the draft of the final nyaxia book before this
• 48:13
  baby is born between us. I don't don't know if it's going
• 48:16
  to happen but I'm doing my best. So there's not a lot of brain
• 48:21
  space leftover lately for for reading.
• 48:24
  Unfortunately, the last book I finished was yesteryear, which a
• 48:29
  lot of times when I'm. Yeah, a lot of times when I'm
• 48:32
  drafting, I read very far outside of my genre.
• 48:34
  Like I read things that are just totally unrelated to
• 48:37
  romanticity, and it was riveting.
• 48:40
  Like I read it in 24 hours. Oh wow.
• 48:43
  Oh, what genre is that book in? Would we call it, I want to call
• 48:51
  it like women's lit kind of Yeah, right.
• 48:56
  It's like. It's about like a woman who ends
• 48:59
  up going back in time, like she wants to live like her tried
• 49:04
  wife life, but she ends up getting transported back in
• 49:07
  time. It has to live it.
• 49:08
  And about like how that goes for her.
• 49:11
  It's actually quite interesting. Rebecca doesn't fade a lot of
• 49:16
  contemporary. Or anything.
• 49:18
  In that sort of direction, definitely more my wheelhouse
• 49:21
  than Rebecca's, but that's OK. I, I am very deep in my villain
• 49:26
  era. That is where I'm at.
• 49:28
  I'm in spicy romanticy, dark fantasy, dark romance.
• 49:34
  That is my my wheelhouse. That's why I had no idea what
• 49:37
  that book was. That's totally fine.
• 49:40
  I mean, my assistant who like, does books for a living, you
• 49:45
  know, like her job is working in the book world and everything.
• 49:48
  And even she was like, I've never heard of.
• 49:50
  That was just shocking to me because in my circles, like,
• 49:53
  everyone is talking about this book.
• 49:54
  But yeah, everyone's, yeah, everyone's got their wheelhouse.
• 49:58
  Well, like that's the thing that's neat about like all the
• 50:01
  different girls that that I do the podcast with.
• 50:04
  Everybody brings a little bit of something different.
• 50:06
  We're not all, you know, they're not all the same as me.
• 50:10
  And a lot of them do read contemporary romance.
• 50:13
  They read thrillers, they read, you know, everything.
• 50:17
  So a lot of times when it's something like that, I'm like
• 50:20
  that. I don't know.
• 50:21
  So that's why I have Kirstie and I have all the other girls and
• 50:24
  they're like, well, yes, we've read this now.
• 50:28
  Now I have a question for you now, because you were an indie
• 50:33
  author and now you are traditional.
• 50:35
  Are you liking being a traditionally published author
• 50:39
  now versus being just an indie or as an indie I.
• 50:44
  Actually am still hybrid, meaning that there are aspects
• 50:48
  of my career that are indie and aspects that are traditional.
• 50:51
  So I still retain all of my like all of my ebooks are still
• 50:55
  published by me at this point. Yeah.
• 50:58
  And that's been very important to me.
• 51:01
  I always say, you know, I never, never say never about anything
• 51:05
  that I try not to speak in extremes, but I very, very, very
• 51:11
  strongly believe there will always be some indie aspect to
• 51:14
  my career like it would take I, I don't even know what it would
• 51:19
  take to have me give up all of my, my independent rights and
• 51:25
  control over my career. So I, I'm really grateful to be
• 51:29
  in the position I'm in right now where I kind of get the best of
• 51:32
  both worlds, where I get, you know, the support of my
• 51:35
  publisher and the distribution that is impossible, you know,
• 51:40
  when you're independent and also get to collaborate with all of
• 51:43
  these immensely talented people that I get to work with that my
• 51:46
  publisher while still also maintaining the control of my
• 51:50
  career that I can have by having those in the aspects of my
• 51:55
  career too. That's pretty awesome.
• 51:58
  I, I think that's, I think it's nice that you get to have that
• 52:02
  option to do that. And it's still, you still, like
• 52:06
  you said, you still have your rights.
• 52:08
  You still, you're, you have control.
• 52:10
  Because I have seen different authors that were indie and that
• 52:14
  have gone completely traditional and they have lost their voice a
• 52:21
  lot in it. They don't have the choice
• 52:24
  necessarily like what is happening with their books or
• 52:27
  their covers. And and you can see that some of
• 52:31
  them, it's not happy. Like they said now this is
• 52:35
  supposedly something going on because they said with the Sarah
• 52:38
  J Mass or Moss, they're they, they said they think she's
• 52:43
  having some issues there with, with her publisher and stuff.
• 52:47
  And there's possibility that she could go back to being indie and
• 52:52
  not have a publisher, I think. I mean, I think she could do it
• 52:58
  because she has such a following.
• 53:01
  Oh yeah, I mean she like you think of like so she has, to my
• 53:08
  knowledge, always been traditionally published.
• 53:10
  Like, she from the get go had a traditional deal, but she is so
• 53:14
  huge. You know, you think of like
• 53:18
  Brandon Sanderson, for example, who kind of stepped his foot
• 53:22
  into Indian hybrid publishing when he did, you know, a few
• 53:25
  years ago that Kickstarter campaign that earned like $20
• 53:27
  million or something. Good for him, you know, amazing.
• 53:31
  Like Brandon Sanderson, Sarah J. Moss, those are two of the big,
• 53:36
  big names in the fantasy world that I think could make
• 53:39
  boatloads of money, you know, doing this kind of stuff and
• 53:44
  probably have the access to also, you know, they can kind of
• 53:51
  get past a lot of the roadblocks that like your average indie
• 53:54
  author or even, you know, someone at my level like can't
• 53:59
  get past, you know, distribution wise, like because Target is
• 54:03
  always going to want to talk Sarah J Moss's new book and they
• 54:05
  will figure out what they got to do to be able to stock it.
• 54:08
  So that thought has actually crossed my mind as well.
• 54:11
  You know, and once you get to a level where your name carries
• 54:16
  just such astronomical weight, I have to imagine that a lot of
• 54:20
  authors at that level start to become aware of that, you know,
• 54:26
  and the options that that opens up for them.
• 54:29
  Well, you know, cuz I was thinking, you know, if she did
• 54:32
  do that, I mean that would cut out a lot of the the middle men
• 54:35
  kind of thing. But like you said, I think
• 54:38
  every, you know, bookstore, you know, you know, big box
• 54:43
  bookstore versus even like the, you know, your indie bookstores
• 54:47
  would carry anything she did. Because when I was listening to
• 54:51
  her interview that she did back in March when she announced, you
• 54:54
  know, Book 6 and all that kind of stuff, you could tell her
• 54:58
  that there, there's some, there's some turbulence
• 55:00
  underneath the surface of the water there.
• 55:02
  So maybe we will see what happens after Book 8, you know,
• 55:06
  once that one comes out, what she does.
• 55:10
  I think that the relationship between authors and publishers
• 55:12
  is always, you know, it's a partnership, but it's always
• 55:17
  like, OK, so I used to work in marketing business to business
• 55:21
  marketing and cybersecurity, like in the tech industry.
• 55:24
  And yeah, totally applicable to what I do now.
• 55:31
  And we always used to say, like back then that there was always
• 55:34
  like a healthy tension between sales and marketing, right?
• 55:39
  So like, because in a way, like the sales team was kind of like
• 55:42
  my clients, like I produced content so that they could go
• 55:46
  take it and go like sell our software to people, right?
• 55:50
  And that's actually kind of how I think about authors and
• 55:52
  publishers sometimes. We're like in the best author
• 55:56
  publisher relationships, everyone is feeling respected.
• 56:00
  You know, everyone is, is getting what they want out of
• 56:06
  each other. But also there always should be
• 56:08
  kind of some degree of like, like you're kind of pushing and
• 56:12
  pulling each other to some degree because you're like
• 56:14
  you're operating different arms of the machine, right?
• 56:17
  And in a good relationship, everyone is like aware of that
• 56:21
  and doing that in like a very respectful way.
• 56:25
  But as you said, sometimes, you know, sometimes it breaks down,
• 56:28
  sometimes like the tension just does not working out the way
• 56:31
  that it should. Well, I think like when she
• 56:34
  talked about there and she was saying like how she was in a
• 56:38
  very similar situation as you are right now.
• 56:40
  You know, she was ready to have her baby and then they wanted
• 56:44
  her to cut all kinds of pages or you know, from her, from one of
• 56:49
  her ACOTAR books. I believe it was actor.
• 56:52
  It might have been Crescent City.
• 56:54
  And then she went and she did all that and then they said, oh,
• 56:57
  never mind, wait, it's fine. After she did all of that and
• 57:00
  you could tell there's. Some.
• 57:03
  There's some problems, yeah. So you know.
• 57:06
  Kill me. Yeah.
• 57:08
  I'm, I'm very grateful that I've never had, like my publisher and
• 57:12
  my editor, the, the team that I work with at Bramble has been
• 57:15
  really excellent with, you know, they, I get a lot of control,
• 57:21
  you know, over things. Like they, they've never, of
• 57:24
  course they have opinions about things as they should.
• 57:27
  This is a big part of their business, you know, but there's
• 57:29
  never been like, you know, like the, my trilogy, the World Lost
• 57:33
  Hearts trilogy, like those cover redesigns.
• 57:37
  I did those myself. Like I didn't do the artwork.
• 57:40
  I mean, I like, did the art direction.
• 57:42
  I had them commissioned. Yeah, I, yeah, I produced, you
• 57:46
  know, yeah, I started with my favorite illustrator of all
• 57:49
  time. It was like a passion project
• 57:51
  for me. We worked on it for over a year
• 57:53
  together after Wink. He's he's amazing.
• 57:58
  And I was originally going to do all that indie and then, you
• 58:01
  know, I was having a good, good relationship with my publisher
• 58:06
  and was kind of like, you know, I'd love to work with them on
• 58:09
  this if they're interested in it.
• 58:10
  And I kind of like brought them all the stuff and was like, here
• 58:14
  it is. It's all done.
• 58:15
  And there are some publishers who would have been like, you
• 58:18
  don't know, or they would have like pushed back, uncover things
• 58:22
  or whatever. But they have always been like
• 58:24
  very accommodating, which is really has been excellent.
• 58:28
  But I have. Seen that too.
• 58:31
  Yeah, right. And it's, it's also kind of a,
• 58:34
  it's also kind of a, a game of roulette sometimes where it's
• 58:37
  like, I mean, the publishing industry has so much turnover.
• 58:40
  So even when, you know, authors criticize publishers, they're
• 58:44
  never criticizing the people that they work with because for
• 58:46
  the most part, everyone that they're talking to, the editors,
• 58:50
  the editorial assistants, you know, the publicity people like
• 58:53
  everyone is just trying to do their job to the best of their
• 58:55
  ability. And everyone loves books and
• 58:58
  wants to see books succeed. It's, it's like the capitalism
• 59:01
  of it all. You know that, that people are
• 59:05
  complaining about and you know, sometimes you have like a great
• 59:09
  vibe with a certain editor or certain publicity person or
• 59:12
  whatever. And then they, they leave and
• 59:14
  take, take a better job because that's what they should do.
• 59:18
  But you get lucky sometimes. Now.
• 59:22
  Now, since you write such incredibly dark and spicy
• 59:25
  romanticy, what what originally drew you to that genre?
• 59:31
  As again, I have to tell you in The Serpent of Wings of Night
• 59:35
  and the the whole story there and then in Six Scorch Roses,
• 59:39
  Vale and Lola's story, I loved them so much.
• 59:45
  I was because now, Now let me ask you, since you are besides
• 59:48
  that question there when you were reading.
• 59:50
  Now, do you recommend reading The Serpent in the Wings of
• 59:53
  Night, then Six Scorch Roses and then the ashes of the Star
• 59:57
  Cursed King, or do you have a particular order that you should
• 1:00:02
  read them? And I read it in between and
• 1:00:04
  then I, for me, it gave that, you know, background and it was
• 1:00:08
  just so beautiful. I have to tell you well.
• 1:00:10
  Thank you. I thank you for the six scorched
• 1:00:12
  roses, love. I was very surprised when I I
• 1:00:14
  was at book con recently and I was shocked that Six Scorched
• 1:00:19
  Roses, which is, I mean, I think comfortably my lowest selling
• 1:00:23
  book right out of all of my books.
• 1:00:28
  It was the book that was mentioned the most to me, like
• 1:00:31
  by people coming up to me. Yeah, which was like shocking to
• 1:00:34
  me. I very much wrote it for myself.
• 1:00:36
  Like I was just like, I had a, like a, a contractual obligation
• 1:00:41
  to an anthology and I wrote it in like 2 1/2 weeks.
• 1:00:44
  Like I wrote it really, really fast because I was like, oh
• 1:00:46
  shit, like I have to write this book.
• 1:00:49
  Nobody's going to like it. So I should just write like
• 1:00:52
  whatever that I, I want to write.
• 1:00:54
  And so many people have connected with it and it's very
• 1:00:56
  close to my heart. So thank you.
• 1:01:00
  I designed it to be a standalone in the sense that you can read
• 1:01:04
  it. If you haven't read any of my
• 1:01:05
  books, you can read it at any point, just whenever.
• 1:01:09
  But I do think if I was going to give someone like an ideal
• 1:01:13
  reading order, reading it between Serpent and Ashes does
• 1:01:16
  give you a little bit more context when these characters
• 1:01:20
  turn up, you know, in that second book.
• 1:01:22
  And kind of similar with Slaying the Vampire Conqueror.
• 1:01:25
  Like I get asked about reading order a lot because all the time
• 1:01:30
  I created such. I don't know what I was thinking
• 1:01:32
  guys. I mean, I just I have to follow
• 1:01:34
  through now, you know, because it was like always the plan from
• 1:01:37
  the beginning how this whole series was structured.
• 1:01:41
  But now like looking back also maybe because I'm tired and I'm
• 1:01:45
  working on the last book, I'm like, what the hell was I
• 1:01:47
  thinking? Like this is like, you know,
• 1:01:50
  people get confused about reading order and I as a reader,
• 1:01:55
  I am someone who is very lackadaisical about reading
• 1:01:58
  order. Like, you know, like
• 1:01:59
  contemporary romance series or romance series where it's like
• 1:02:02
  all each book is a standalone about a couple, Right, yes, and
• 1:02:06
  a lot of times those series will kind of have like a big picture
• 1:02:09
  plot of some kind across or like other couples will show up.
• 1:02:13
  So there will kind of be like minor spoilers for other books.
• 1:02:16
  I don't care. I will start with book 5.
• 1:02:18
  Like I don't I am like a very. So when people like sometimes I
• 1:02:22
  talk about my own reading orders and readers are like, this is
• 1:02:26
  wrong. Like I disagree, like, oh, I did
• 1:02:28
  this in the wrong order and now I have to go back and I'm like,
• 1:02:31
  just relax. It's OK, It's fine.
• 1:02:33
  You can read it whichever way you want like it's fine so.
• 1:02:40
  I went to Instagram to see if I could find the rating order
• 1:02:44
  because I'd only read the first geology and my goodness, it did
• 1:02:48
  not help and I think it made it worse.
• 1:02:49
  In fact, saying everyone's differing opinions of what I
• 1:02:52
  needed to read next was quite funny.
• 1:02:55
  Everyone has to, they have very strong opinions about it.
• 1:02:58
  And I kind of feel like, especially when it comes to like
• 1:03:02
  the, the main six books, you know, they're kind of divided up
• 1:03:05
  into three sections, but they're designed to be roughly, you
• 1:03:08
  know, books one through 6. So like if you want your ideal
• 1:03:11
  reading order there, just read books one through 6.
• 1:03:15
  The other two, you can read them, you can skip them, you can
• 1:03:19
  read them whenever you want. You can read them first.
• 1:03:22
  I have some suggestions. Like I said, if you wanted like
• 1:03:24
  an ideal reading order, you might want to do roses between
• 1:03:28
  1:00 and 2:00 slaying maybe after two I guess.
• 1:03:32
  But like whenever I say that people are like, no, this is
• 1:03:36
  wrong. I you can skip them.
• 1:03:39
  You don't have to read them at all.
• 1:03:40
  If you can, read them whatever you want.
• 1:03:43
  Now I haven't read. I haven't read Slaying yet
• 1:03:45
  because again, I have them all sitting here waiting for me, but
• 1:03:50
  nobody, please do not skip this one because this one is it's,
• 1:03:55
  it's just little and it's so wonderful and again, I love that
• 1:03:59
  one so much. I love Lilith, I love Vale that
• 1:04:02
  just there. It's just so beautiful.
• 1:04:05
  Again, I will say it again, I just love it.
• 1:04:08
  I can't. Kirstie hasn't read that one
• 1:04:10
  yet. I haven't.
• 1:04:12
  I went straight from 1:00 to 2:00 and then literally today I
• 1:04:16
  finished the song but and the Heart of Stone, which was
• 1:04:21
  problematic because it finished on a cliffhanger and now I have
• 1:04:23
  to do this and then I can start the next one.
• 1:04:27
  Yeah, so it's a pretty brutal one too, so.
• 1:04:30
  It is. It is.
• 1:04:31
  I was like, no, this isn't. This isn't happening.
• 1:04:36
  Help. Me.
• 1:04:37
  It's OK, it's all going to be fine.
• 1:04:42
  Wasn't it? Oh, don't say.
• 1:04:45
  That don't say that in my head it's going to be fine.
• 1:04:48
  In my head it's. So now how did you get into
• 1:04:52
  writing, you know, dark fantasy and romanticy.
• 1:04:55
  What sparked you? What got you into into writing?
• 1:05:00
  So I used to write a lot as a kid, like as a young teenager,
• 1:05:05
  and I am a millennial. I'm 3033.
• 1:05:09
  I have to like stop and think about it now, which is probably
• 1:05:11
  telling you something, right? I am 33 at time of recording as
• 1:05:15
  far as I recall. And that means that I came of
• 1:05:20
  age and like the golden age of the Internet.
• 1:05:23
  Like I always want to take people who are like 25 aside and
• 1:05:26
  be like, no, the Internet used to be like, great.
• 1:05:28
  Now it's like 5 websites and they're all evil, you know, and
• 1:05:32
  they're all like trying to take over the world and it's still
• 1:05:35
  fascism or whatever. But it used to be like there
• 1:05:38
  were lots of websites for any like weird shit that you ever
• 1:05:40
  wanted to do you could find. Like there was lots of like, you
• 1:05:45
  know, people like writing online, like chapter by chapter,
• 1:05:49
  which is what I did. Yes.
• 1:05:52
  So I used to write. Oh, see.
• 1:05:55
  OK. So you understand.
• 1:05:56
  Yeah. Back in the day I used to do.
• 1:06:00
  I don't know if you were nerdy enough for this.
• 1:06:02
  I used to do. Like do you remember forum
• 1:06:03
  role-playing do? You remember those?
• 1:06:06
  Sorry, I do not. OK, so there was like, do you,
• 1:06:10
  do you guys remember forums, like forums?
• 1:06:13
  Yes, Oh yes. Right.
• 1:06:15
  So for the young ones, listening forums were like it's like
• 1:06:19
  Reddit but like smaller, right? Like message boards and there
• 1:06:25
  used to be like role play, like they would call them RPS, like
• 1:06:30
  games. And it was basically like you
• 1:06:31
  wrote a character, right? And then like somebody else
• 1:06:34
  would like come and write their character and like come into
• 1:06:36
  your like threat. So it would be like, oh, if you
• 1:06:38
  were doing like a magical Academy, what or whatever.
• 1:06:41
  And I wrote my character like studying in the library.
• 1:06:43
  And then you could write your character like coming in and
• 1:06:45
  being attacked by goblins or whatever.
• 1:06:47
  I don't know whatever it is, but you were basically like writing
• 1:06:50
  stories collaboratively with, like, other people anyway.
• 1:06:55
  So I did all that nerdy stuff when I was a kid, and it was
• 1:06:57
  always fantasy because I don't like playing by the rules, so I
• 1:07:02
  like to make up my own rules. And there was always some degree
• 1:07:05
  of romance in it. And actually, Daughter of No
• 1:07:09
  Worlds borrows heavily from a book that I was writing chapter
• 1:07:13
  by chapter online when I was like 13 years old, including
• 1:07:17
  some of the really dark stuff. So yeah.
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  That's very cool. That is very cool now because
• 1:07:24
  I'm older than you, both of you. I graduated from high school in
• 1:07:28
  98. So I was the Internet was just
• 1:07:33
  got starting there the late 90s. You know, I remember we got our
• 1:07:37
  first computer in 96 and you know, there were chat rooms and
• 1:07:41
  chat rooms aren't like like how things are today.
• 1:07:44
  And I actually met my first husband in a chat room back
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  then. Oh, I know.
• 1:07:53
  So that's How I Met him. And then but oh, yeah.
• 1:07:56
  But they were like, they were those message boards and stuff.
• 1:07:59
  Like they have no idea. Like, like people like my even
• 1:08:02
  my own kids, they don't understand.
• 1:08:04
  There was a thing called ICQI. Think is what it was.
• 1:08:07
  It was a little app and everybody could talk on it.
• 1:08:11
  You know, it was just a very, the Internet was a very
• 1:08:14
  different time then. And of course, then later on, of
• 1:08:18
  course the vines and all that stuff started and then now I
• 1:08:22
  don't even know what the Internet is.
• 1:08:24
  The Internet's a very interesting place right now.
• 1:08:28
  And right now also, you can't tell is, you know, what you're
• 1:08:32
  seeing real and some things can you are not real.
• 1:08:35
  You know what I mean? It's it is an interesting time
• 1:08:38
  to be alive right now. Yeah, interesting is one word
• 1:08:42
  for it. So now your career has been very
• 1:08:45
  amazing to watch by navigating between all this, you know,
• 1:08:52
  between you know, you know, your indie world now and your
• 1:08:55
  traditionally put, you know, world.
• 1:08:58
  What, what do you see for the future?
• 1:09:01
  What, where are you going after this series is done?
• 1:09:04
  What is your next project? Oh, I, well, like, I know I
• 1:09:12
  can't tell you tell him yet. I do have another project in the
• 1:09:18
  works that's exciting. Yeah, it's it's I actually, I
• 1:09:23
  think an announcement will come at some point.
• 1:09:25
  I, I don't know, I at this point it's like you're like along for
• 1:09:28
  the ride and you're like, what? Whatever.
• 1:09:33
  And it's going to be quite a it will be it's different, you
• 1:09:41
  know, I never, I never want to write the same thing over and
• 1:09:44
  over again. And that's why, you know, I have
• 1:09:48
  my 2 series and they're quite different from each other.
• 1:09:51
  And then even within the Crowns of Niaxia series, I had no that
• 1:09:55
  there are some people who have not liked later books in the
• 1:09:59
  series, but as is completely their right, you know, because
• 1:10:02
  the series changes and evolves and it looks at different
• 1:10:05
  characters in different settings and stuff like that.
• 1:10:07
  Because as an artist, it's not interesting to me to write the
• 1:10:10
  same story over and over again. I always want to be exploring
• 1:10:13
  something new and different so my next series is different.
• 1:10:18
  I'm a little bit tired of like swords and Crowns and Thrones
• 1:10:24
  romanticity. So, so yeah, that's all.
• 1:10:28
  I'm very excited about it. I'm very, very excited about it.
• 1:10:31
  So that's all I can say about that.
• 1:10:33
  But it is a series, not a standalone.
• 1:10:36
  It is not a standalone, but I'll tell you what it is not.
• 1:10:39
  It is also not a eight book fucking series because I'm never
• 1:10:42
  doing that again. Well, this is exciting.
• 1:10:48
  I mean, I love how you write. I just have to tell you I enjoy
• 1:10:52
  reading. How I just, you're a very easy
• 1:10:55
  read for me and I, it's just I very get very immersed into the
• 1:11:00
  world's and I love it. So that's exciting.
• 1:11:03
  I'm super excited. For it.
• 1:11:05
  Well, I hope you like it once it's out.
• 1:11:08
  I'm sure I will. You are one of my obviously
• 1:11:11
  you're one of my auto buy authors.
• 1:11:13
  You know, as soon as you have something, it is pre-ordered.
• 1:11:16
  Now I do have the Lion and the Deathless dark.
• 1:11:19
  It is pre-ordered. So I am super excited to add
• 1:11:21
  that to my collection that's here now.
• 1:11:25
  Are you excited for it to come out?
• 1:11:27
  And to be out, I am, I am very excited.
• 1:11:31
  I'm excited. I, I had a lot of fun writing
• 1:11:33
  that one. It was probably one of my more,
• 1:11:37
  you know, every book is fun in its own way and every book is
• 1:11:41
  like miserable in its own way. But I would say like, this book
• 1:11:46
  was particularly fun, you know, to write.
• 1:11:48
  I really, really love the female main character and her
• 1:11:52
  relationship with the lead. It was just it was a lot of fun
• 1:11:57
  to write. And I think it's one of my
• 1:12:01
  better books, you know, like I've written what, like 10 or 12
• 1:12:04
  or something, something in that vicinity at this point.
• 1:12:08
  So you can never pick a favorite child.
• 1:12:09
  Like it changes a lot, but I really feel like this is one of
• 1:12:13
  my my better books and I'm very excited for people to read it.
• 1:12:18
  And if I'm going to just like throw a grenade into the whole
• 1:12:20
  reading order thing again, I do think there is a significant gap
• 1:12:28
  right between books. This this book in the previous
• 1:12:32
  book in the series and because we're have a whole new main
• 1:12:36
  character, like a whole new POV character, I did write, I do try
• 1:12:40
  to write every first book in the duology to be comprehendible if
• 1:12:45
  somebody were to pick it up, you know, without having read all of
• 1:12:49
  the books in the series. So I do get questions sometimes
• 1:12:53
  about like, oh, do I have to have read like every single my
• 1:12:56
  Axia book, you know, to read this book.
• 1:12:59
  And of course, if you do, there is contacts that will make more
• 1:13:02
  sense to you. But if you don't, it is also
• 1:13:06
  designed to be read you know, whenever you pick it up.
• 1:13:12
  Interesting. Well, I will, will you?
• 1:13:14
  Well, me, I will be definitely reading it through the order.
• 1:13:17
  That's me. I like, I like to do that, but
• 1:13:21
  but I have to tell you the other thing is your covers on this
• 1:13:24
  series, they are so beautiful. I mean, look at that.
• 1:13:28
  I mean, I know and the one that's coming up there in the
• 1:13:31
  purples and stuff, they're just so beautiful.
• 1:13:35
  Now is the the artist that did these books, is it the same that
• 1:13:38
  did your new covers on your other series?
• 1:13:42
  Or is this a different artist? Different artists, I do try to
• 1:13:45
  do different artists. You know, there are certain
• 1:13:47
  artists I I really like collaborating with, so I'll work
• 1:13:50
  with them a lot. But I do try to, for different
• 1:13:52
  series, get different artists just to like, you know, my
• 1:13:54
  favorite part of this job actually is getting to
• 1:13:56
  collaborate with so many talented people.
• 1:13:59
  I have a huge admiration for the work that artists do.
• 1:14:02
  And I know it's like particularly important to value
• 1:14:06
  those skills right now because they are getting like, their
• 1:14:11
  industry is getting its ass kicked, you know, by AI, which
• 1:14:15
  is just stealing their own stuff and regurgitating it back for
• 1:14:18
  three other people. That's a whole rant for another
• 1:14:21
  day. But I think it's very important
• 1:14:22
  to support actual artists doing this work.
• 1:14:27
  So anyway, the crowns of an Axia series, those covers were all
• 1:14:31
  done by Katie Ritchie. And they're like, so wonderful
• 1:14:34
  to work with. And I actually commissioned all
• 1:14:38
  of those covers, as indie authors often do.
• 1:14:40
  Before. I had written any of the books,
• 1:14:43
  so I had all of them. Yeah.
• 1:14:45
  And I brought them to my publisher when they, you know,
• 1:14:48
  picked up the series in print. It was like, here once again.
• 1:14:50
  Here you go. It's all done.
• 1:14:52
  Have fun. I've.
• 1:14:53
  Done your job twice. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:14:57
  I make it. They are.
• 1:14:59
  They are absolutely, they're beautiful that I am a look, I am
• 1:15:04
  a little bit of a cover snob. I, I judge a book by the cover
• 1:15:07
  and but I have to tell you that I mean, I love a beautiful book
• 1:15:12
  and yours I think are some of the most beautiful covers that I
• 1:15:15
  own. And that's my opinion.
• 1:15:18
  That's very flattering on Behalf.
• 1:15:20
  I mean, I did none of the work, but it's still very flattering.
• 1:15:25
  Like I said, it's one of my favorite price of the process so
• 1:15:27
  I do my best. No, my, my niece, she does
• 1:15:31
  graphic art and she is just dipping her toe and doing
• 1:15:37
  illustration app for books and things like that.
• 1:15:39
  And right now she is currently doing the illustrations of a
• 1:15:44
  children's book and the cover. And I keep telling her because
• 1:15:48
  she's, she's a wonderful artist in that.
• 1:15:49
  And I'm like, you need to come join me in my book world because
• 1:15:53
  I told her, I said so many people would love what you do.
• 1:15:57
  And she's like, oh, I don't know, I try.
• 1:16:01
  She's just she's she's just a little bit older than you. 2 My
• 1:16:06
  niece and I, we're real close in age.
• 1:16:07
  We're only nine years apart. So, but she's still, she's still
• 1:16:11
  my baby, even though she's 35 years old, but she's still,
• 1:16:16
  she's still my little peanut. But but yeah, I keep encouraging
• 1:16:19
  her to to do that because I do think artists think people need
• 1:16:24
  to see that. It's sad that AI has done a lot
• 1:16:28
  of the things. I think there's probably going
• 1:16:30
  to be a place for AI, you know, because we're in, you know, the
• 1:16:34
  infancy of it, but not in that respect.
• 1:16:39
  You know, when it's replacing people, you know, artists or,
• 1:16:42
  you know, writers or any of that kind of stuff.
• 1:16:45
  I, you know, it's, I think it'll be detrimental to our society as
• 1:16:50
  a whole. You know what I mean?
• 1:16:52
  Oh, I do. I agree.
• 1:16:54
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:16:56
  And I think that your niece should should dip her toes into
• 1:16:58
  the book world. I mean, there's such an appetite
• 1:17:01
  among among book readers for, you know, beautiful, human made
• 1:17:07
  art. So she should come over here.
• 1:17:09
  We love it. I.
• 1:17:12
  She she has a little page where on Instagram where she does like
• 1:17:17
  time lapse with her art and stuff when she is drawing.
• 1:17:20
  And I told her I want her to do one for me.
• 1:17:23
  I want her to make a dragon for me and, and paint and so
• 1:17:27
  everybody can watch her do her stuff.
• 1:17:29
  But she hasn't, she hasn't done it yet for me.
• 1:17:32
  So I have to keep encouraging her.
• 1:17:35
  I'm hoping like, you know, the more and more that people see
• 1:17:37
  it, that maybe it'll give her the confidence to show her stuff
• 1:17:40
  more to, you know, to authors and things like that.
• 1:17:44
  And maybe she will dip her toe into it.
• 1:17:47
  But you know, you know how that is.
• 1:17:50
  But now now with the new book coming out, question for you.
• 1:17:54
  Is it going to be an enemies to lovers kind of vibe or is it
• 1:17:58
  going to be a slow burn? What is our tropes that we're
• 1:18:02
  going into? Gotcha.
• 1:18:04
  It's. Both of those things I would
• 1:18:06
  say, yeah, almost all of actually, I think all of my
• 1:18:10
  romances have been slow burns because I think it's because
• 1:18:14
  it's how my brain, you know, processes romances and like how
• 1:18:20
  I like to build them. Like I, I always want kind of
• 1:18:25
  like the the physical aspects of the romance to be like the
• 1:18:28
  culmination of a lot of like emotional build up.
• 1:18:32
  So I think, I think it's always tricky because also like
• 1:18:36
  people's definitions of slow burns change.
• 1:18:39
  Like there are some people who like don't consider it a slow
• 1:18:41
  burn. If there is any kind of romantic
• 1:18:44
  anything in the first book of the series, you know what I
• 1:18:46
  mean? There is there is, but it's like
• 1:18:51
  it's like at the end, I think in terms of like word like count,
• 1:18:55
  but it's also it's also one of my spicier books, despite it
• 1:19:01
  being a slow burn because the characters they are very
• 1:19:05
  aggressive, like like she in particular Kyrene, the main
• 1:19:10
  character. She is.
• 1:19:12
  I have never written a character like her before.
• 1:19:14
  She is definitely like someone who lets the intrusive thoughts
• 1:19:17
  win like basically every time. And that is so fun as a writer,
• 1:19:21
  especially because I've written a lot of characters who are like
• 1:19:24
  kind of mired and self doubt or like characters who aren't like
• 1:19:27
  thinking a lot about, not that she is thinking a lot about
• 1:19:30
  things, but she's kind of thinking after she acts.
• 1:19:33
  So as a result, she's just like always making shit happen.
• 1:19:38
  So there is a pretty, there's a pretty antagonistic relationship
• 1:19:43
  between her and Septimus. You know, they're pushing each
• 1:19:45
  other's buttons a lot. Nice.
• 1:19:49
  Is now as an author now for you now is it, is it hard for you to
• 1:19:53
  write the spicy kind of scenes and stuff?
• 1:19:56
  Because, you know, I was talking to author Stephanie Storm and
• 1:20:01
  she's hilarious. And she was doing a scene in her
• 1:20:05
  book and it was and it was 2 ladies, you know, and that
• 1:20:09
  relationship and she was trying to talk to her editor.
• 1:20:12
  And her publisher, she was talking to them and she's like,
• 1:20:15
  before we get going, she's like, can I have a glass of wine or
• 1:20:18
  something? And they're like, calm down,
• 1:20:19
  Stephanie. You know, we're professionals
• 1:20:22
  and that kind of stuff. But does it?
• 1:20:24
  Is it hard for you or does it flow just just perfect from you?
• 1:20:31
  I it's, I'm pretty used to it at this point.
• 1:20:36
  I would say the first time, like Daughter of No Worlds, that was
• 1:20:39
  the first time I had written like an open door, like an open
• 1:20:43
  door love scene, we'll say. And I remember at the time
• 1:20:47
  feeling like that scene was like so spicy.
• 1:20:51
  And now, like I read it again, you know, 'cause about the new
• 1:20:54
  additions and everything you have to go through and copy edit
• 1:20:56
  it and everything. And I'm like, oh, it's so cute,
• 1:20:59
  you know, like it's so sweet. Like it's so, and then I
• 1:21:03
  remember writing, so I wrote that trilogy.
• 1:21:07
  That trilogy is on page, you know, but it's also like epic
• 1:21:11
  fantasy. There's not that.
• 1:21:13
  There's also like logistically, right?
• 1:21:14
  It's like we're trying to save the world.
• 1:21:16
  There's not that much time to like stop and get it on, you
• 1:21:18
  know, like this is like a real issue.
• 1:21:21
  Like, you know, like the the fallen and the deathless dark in
• 1:21:27
  particular. There's also like a dog.
• 1:21:30
  And I used to have to like, be like, OK, how do I get the dog
• 1:21:32
  out of the room, you know, so that they're not like, doing
• 1:21:35
  his? Part of the dog you.
• 1:21:37
  Have to like deal with these logistics, but when I wrote the
• 1:21:41
  serpent in the wings at night, I was like, OK, this is going this
• 1:21:45
  series is maybe going to be kind of a step up, you know, in spice
• 1:21:48
  level. And serpent is also a slow burn.
• 1:21:51
  There was 11 like proper sex scene, but it was like 6000
• 1:21:58
  words long. Like I remember the draft for
• 1:22:00
  that was just like super, super long.
• 1:22:02
  And I was like, Oh my God, is this too much?
• 1:22:05
  Like I don't know, this like feels like this feels excessive.
• 1:22:08
  And then I put it out there for Arcs and people were like, wow,
• 1:22:11
  I really like this book. Shame that it's not spicy
• 1:22:14
  though. And I'm like, Jesus Christ, like
• 1:22:15
  what do you mean? What?
• 1:22:19
  Anyway, I I do find them difficult in the same way I find
• 1:22:24
  fight scenes difficult, actually, which is a comparison
• 1:22:27
  I make all the time that people, like, laugh at.
• 1:22:29
  But they can very easily be boring, right?
• 1:22:32
  Kind of like fight scenes, you know, because it's like you have
• 1:22:34
  to have like a like, like an arc to the action.
• 1:22:38
  So it's not just like describing a bunch of movements, you know?
• 1:22:42
  Yes, yes, yeah, right. You have to make it like
• 1:22:46
  interesting. Oh, yeah.
• 1:22:49
  So I try to focus on kind of like what the the reason for
• 1:22:52
  that scene existing is other than being like, OK, I need a
• 1:22:56
  sex scene here. Like what's the character reason
• 1:22:58
  for this to be here? Because otherwise you might as
• 1:23:01
  well just just say, you know, you might as well just kind of
• 1:23:05
  close the door on it, you know, as a reader, like I find it
• 1:23:09
  boring when there are like a bunch of meaningless sex scenes.
• 1:23:12
  So that's the most challenging part for me.
• 1:23:15
  Do you think when you are writing it, is it difficult in
• 1:23:19
  the descriptions because like sometimes you know authors that
• 1:23:23
  they have certain words like, you know, folds or the seam or
• 1:23:28
  you know, do you find it harder to write words for the female
• 1:23:33
  anatomy or you know those kind of descriptions or the male or
• 1:23:38
  do you not have issue with either?
• 1:23:41
  There are certain ones that kind of like squeak me out a little
• 1:23:43
  bit, you know, like, like for me, this is a big topic of
• 1:23:48
  debate amongst romance readers. For me, Dick is not a sexy word.
• 1:23:53
  Like that's like a, it's like an insult word or it's like a funny
• 1:23:56
  word or like a, but it's not like a, like a sexy word, you
• 1:24:00
  know, So I don't. And then I will say over time,
• 1:24:04
  my tolerance for like, kind of like in the beginning, I used to
• 1:24:09
  be very euphemistic about like anatomy words.
• 1:24:13
  And then over time you're just like, OK, I'll just throw them
• 1:24:16
  all up. And then also it also depends on
• 1:24:19
  the character because my books are first person narrate
• 1:24:22
  narrated. So I also feel like the way that
• 1:24:25
  the character talks also influences kind of like how like
• 1:24:29
  I have certain characters who would not use certain words, you
• 1:24:32
  know, when talking about their own experience.
• 1:24:36
  Yes. Yes.
• 1:24:37
  And then I have some characters who would like, throw down, like
• 1:24:40
  dirty talk. And that's when I have to, you
• 1:24:42
  know, I have to push my own limits.
• 1:24:46
  Always the, the thing, because you know this, I've seen through
• 1:24:49
  many, many different books and that the one that always makes
• 1:24:52
  me giggle is always with the men and always with, it's always
• 1:24:57
  within their trousers and, and when they unleash it and it
• 1:25:00
  springs free. Now, every time that I, I read
• 1:25:04
  that what I imagine in my mind is, you know, like the door
• 1:25:08
  stops at the back of the spring and it goes like this.
• 1:25:11
  And every time that is where my mind goes.
• 1:25:15
  But I, I love it. No, it's a very accurate.
• 1:25:19
  It's a very accurate, I mean it's.
• 1:25:23
  Kind of what they do. It's kind of what they do that
• 1:25:26
  is a true statement. Yeah.
• 1:25:27
  I just, I don't, I, I only read spicy books.
• 1:25:30
  I don't read any of the the closed door or the fade to black
• 1:25:35
  kind of thing. I like my descriptions.
• 1:25:37
  I like but but there's there's certain ways that it's written
• 1:25:43
  when it's written beautifully, even if it has like, you know,
• 1:25:46
  those kind of terms and it's like, you know, dirty, like
• 1:25:50
  really dirty. I love it.
• 1:25:53
  You know, it's just then the way you write it is.
• 1:25:55
  I have to tell you, you do very well.
• 1:25:57
  Oh. Thank you.
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  Thank you too. Acquired skill like I said, I've
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  been learning over the years. So thank you.
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  Well and. Then.
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  Even more sorry, I love the the one at the end of the first
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  duality where like just before the big fight at the end.
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  I think you know which one I'm talking about.
• 1:26:18
  That is my favorite one that I've read so far from very side.
• 1:26:21
  It's so good. But like you said, it's written
• 1:26:22
  so beautifully that yes, and it's so like Chris was saying,
• 1:26:26
  it's so in like it's got so much meaning behind it as well.
• 1:26:30
  And it's just makes you warm and fuzzy, you know, even though
• 1:26:33
  it's terrifying, what's about to happen, makes you all giddy
• 1:26:37
  inside which I. Thank you.
• 1:26:40
  I always try to have every couple, they have their
• 1:26:44
  emotional arc that they're working through like as a couple
• 1:26:48
  with each other, right? And then when I work on like
• 1:26:52
  love scenes, they should be an extension of that.
• 1:26:54
  So like Araya, for example, like her whole arc with her, her
• 1:27:01
  romance with Reign is learning how to be vulnerable because
• 1:27:04
  that was like her big hurdle. That was the thing that was
• 1:27:06
  keeping her. And that was actually a great,
• 1:27:09
  like that was great for our for physical like love scenes,
• 1:27:12
  right? Because that's like a physical
• 1:27:14
  vulnerability, like you are physically very, very
• 1:27:17
  vulnerable. And so that gave me like
• 1:27:19
  something to kind of, you know, hook onto for her arc for like
• 1:27:24
  all of those scenes. So I'm glad to hear that it it
• 1:27:27
  like landed for you because that was like pretty satisfying to
• 1:27:31
  write. And then like in the second
• 1:27:33
  geology, Misha dealing with like, you know, her faith and
• 1:27:36
  like loss of faith and dealing with this feeling of being like
• 1:27:39
  tainted or like dirty and this kind of like religious guilt
• 1:27:43
  aspect. Yeah, it's always, those are
• 1:27:47
  always the most interesting ones to write for me.
• 1:27:50
  I. Love it now because I know you
• 1:27:51
  have to get going because you have a another interview to do
• 1:27:56
  so could you? You are very popular today.
• 1:27:59
  She's a busy lady. Very popular, but will you let
• 1:28:04
  everybody know where they can can find you on Instagram,
• 1:28:09
  TikTok, your website and where is your preferred place for
• 1:28:14
  people to order your book? Oh, wonderful.
• 1:28:18
  So you can find me at all the places under Carissa Broadbent.
• 1:28:24
  I have an amazing assistant named Naomi who runs all of my
• 1:28:28
  social media. So when you look at like, open
• 1:28:30
  it up and you're like, wow, this all looks great.
• 1:28:32
  I can take no credit for that. I can.
• 1:28:34
  Full. Shout out to Naomi, which is
• 1:28:36
  good because otherwise like nothing would happen, you know,
• 1:28:39
  on there. So you can find me on all the
• 1:28:41
  places, Instagram, you know, Facebook, all that stuff.
• 1:28:45
  I have a newsletter as well that you can sign up for on my
• 1:28:49
  website, carissabroadbentbooks.com.
• 1:28:52
  And then in terms of ordering my books.
• 1:28:55
  Honestly. Order them wherever you want.
• 1:28:57
  I mean, that's, that's that makes me happy.
• 1:29:00
  I will say my local indie bookstore Charter Books here in
• 1:29:05
  Rhode Island, they're based in Newport.
• 1:29:08
  You can always get any of my books signed and personalized if
• 1:29:11
  you order through them like at any time, not just like now.
• 1:29:14
  Any of my books whenever so and they do ship, they ship wherever
• 1:29:19
  so. Oh, that's a nice thing to know
• 1:29:22
  because that's nice to be able to have a signed copies and
• 1:29:25
  stuff. So and that's from that
• 1:29:29
  bookstore. OK, yes.
• 1:29:31
  Charter charter books I think I think it is charterbooks.com but
• 1:29:35
  if Google that like charter books Newport RI you'll you'll
• 1:29:39
  find them. OK, I'm writing that down
• 1:29:41
  because I will put a link to them on our our link tree.
• 1:29:47
  So when your episode comes out, people can go there and they can
• 1:29:50
  click it and they can order your books right directly from the
• 1:29:52
  mail. And oh I'll plug this as well
• 1:29:56
  and if you pre-order the Lion in the Deathless Dark.
• 1:30:00
  I was very sad that I was not able to tour for this one
• 1:30:05
  because I will have a like 2-2 week old baby at the time.
• 1:30:09
  So no touring for me this year. But in lieu of a tour, I do have
• 1:30:15
  a preorder incentive. So if you preorder the hardcover
• 1:30:18
  of that book, we have this beautiful alternate dust jacket
• 1:30:22
  that one of my favorite artists Letters by Lila did.
• 1:30:26
  So it's like typographical and it's got like lions and it's
• 1:30:29
  it's really beautiful. And you get that for free if you
• 1:30:32
  preorder it, including from charter or anywhere else.
• 1:30:35
  So that is I. Think I did that because I think
• 1:30:39
  I did that when you did. My mind is everywhere.
• 1:30:42
  It's all over the. I get it.
• 1:30:43
  I get it. But I believe I did that because
• 1:30:46
  you have to show copy that you your receipt that you purchased,
• 1:30:50
  you pre-ordered the book and then you.
• 1:30:53
  So I believe I did do that So. Yes, my publisher has I think
• 1:30:57
  it's it should be on my see, this is where I'm like, oh, I
• 1:31:00
  let I let my assistant do too much because I'm like, oh,
• 1:31:03
  where's the where's the form? Yes, my publisher is running the
• 1:31:08
  pre-order campaign. You just like submit your
• 1:31:09
  receipt and they will send you the desk jacket that can your
• 1:31:12
  little alternate cover. So it's like your own little
• 1:31:14
  launch SE kind of. It's really a neat thing, you
• 1:31:19
  know, that they're doing. I like that.
• 1:31:21
  I don't think I've ever, I don't think I've ever had that
• 1:31:25
  something like that with a, with a pre-order that I have done.
• 1:31:29
  But also pre-orders are also very important.
• 1:31:31
  So everybody do go out and pre-order The Lion and the
• 1:31:34
  Deathless dark because that helps All authors. pre-orders
• 1:31:38
  are always very, very, very important.
• 1:31:40
  Even though I love pre ordering but for authors it is very
• 1:31:43
  important for their for everything.
• 1:31:47
  Definitely. So please, please do it.
• 1:31:49
  That would be great. Thank you.
• 1:31:52
  But hey, but thank you so very much for joining us.
• 1:31:55
  I enjoyed this. I hope you come back and and
• 1:31:57
  visit because I have a whole bunch of new besties that are
• 1:32:03
  going to be joining me on the podcast.
• 1:32:06
  Kirsty is one of my main Co host now and there's Katie and then
• 1:32:11
  there's Jess and then we have a bunch of other girls too.
• 1:32:14
  And again, we all absolutely we adore you and we do out and good
• 1:32:19
  luck with your baby, having your sweet little baby soon.
• 1:32:22
  So I hope you have a very quick delivery.
• 1:32:27
  Me too, cross your fingers for me.
• 1:32:31
  Thank you so much, this was so much fun.
• 1:32:33
  I would love to come back and chat with you all again
• 1:32:35
  sometime. Thank you so much.
• 1:32:37
  Thank you so much. Have a good day.
• 1:32:40
  Goodnight, babes. Bye.
• 1:32:43
  Bye.