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Tourism Minister Nicole Manison says efforts are underway to attract more airlines to the NT but airports also need to come to the party · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it, because there is an awful lot
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  Speaker 1: happening around the place. And earlier this week we did
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  Speaker 1: speak about those comments made by the Quantus CEO, Alan Joyce,
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  Speaker 1: who was speaking in Darwin last Friday, and according to
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory News, said that flights in and out
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  Speaker 1: of the Red Center are still languishing well below pre
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  Speaker 1: COVID levels, despite top end roots making a full recovery
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  Speaker 1: blaming Alice Springs crime wave. Now he and the company's
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  Speaker 1: boarded mesh in the territory last week and reportedly said
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  Speaker 1: that high profile coverage of the crime that had obviously
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  Speaker 1: impacted the town earlier this year had landed a direct
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  Speaker 1: hit on visitor numbers. Now joining me on the line
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  Speaker 1: is a Deputy Chief Minister and also Minister for Tourism,
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  Speaker 1: Nicole Madison. Good morning to your minister. Let's try that
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  Speaker 1: once more. Good morning to your minister.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning Katie.
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  Speaker 1: Just a bit of a technical issue there, Operator eraror
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  Speaker 1: from my part now, Minister to this report. Quantus flights
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  Speaker 1: to the territory, well, they're currently at one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: nine percent of pre COVID levels, while passenger flights into
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  Speaker 1: Alas are still just around seventy percent of pre COVID figures. Minister,
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  Speaker 1: when you were asked about the impact of crime and
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  Speaker 1: it's what it's having on tourism during estimate, Jude indicated
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  Speaker 1: that the cost of living pressures were the greater concern.
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  Speaker 1: Do you concede that crime has seen tourism in the
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  Speaker 1: Red Center take a serious hit?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Katie. At the start of the year, we listen
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  Speaker 2: to the tourism operators of the Northern Territory, particularly those
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  Speaker 2: ones in Central Australia, and we did embark on a
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  Speaker 2: package of measures to go out there and to really
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  Speaker 2: market those positive, amazing tourism experiences in the Northern Territory,
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  Speaker 2: in Alice Springs and Central Australia in particular. We put
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  Speaker 2: in extra money in there and those campaigns are running
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  Speaker 2: right now. But crime has obviously had people, yes, without
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  Speaker 2: a doubt. For some people they will read reviews and
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  Speaker 2: that will influence their decisions about where they go to
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  Speaker 2: and for some of those people, reading about crime will
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  Speaker 2: influence their decisions. But when you have a look at
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  Speaker 2: the state of the Australian tourism industry right now and
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  Speaker 2: the trends that we are seeing last year was a
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  Speaker 2: record year and we were still seeing the effects of
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  Speaker 2: COVID come through and very strong domestic visitation right across
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  Speaker 2: the board, and we had record expenditure here in the
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  Speaker 2: Northern Territory of over three billion dollars, which was great. However,
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  Speaker 2: what we are seeing is that and this isn't unique
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  Speaker 2: to the Northern Territory, We're seeing it right across the
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  Speaker 2: country that cost of living factors are biting. And as
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  Speaker 2: well as that, we are seeing that people are now
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  Speaker 2: going outbound again. They have confidence to travel internationally and
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  Speaker 2: those services are opening up to them, so we are
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  Speaker 2: seeing a bit of an impact there too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Look, there is no doubt that cost of living pressures
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  Speaker 1: are having a huge impact for people. But I just
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  Speaker 1: don't understand why the Northern Territory government's not prepared to
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  Speaker 1: go Yeah, do you know what the crime issues that
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  Speaker 1: we had earlier in the year did have a massive
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  Speaker 1: impact on people traveling to the Red Center.
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  Speaker 2: Well, for me, that's why we responded very quickly. We
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  Speaker 2: went in there, we announced the extra measures to go
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  Speaker 2: out there to market Alice Springs and Central Australia. We
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  Speaker 2: put in extra measures around trying to get more of
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  Speaker 2: the school tourism groups into the Alice Springs in the
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  Speaker 2: Red Center as well, because it's a very popular place
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  Speaker 2: for them to go. And we did go in with
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  Speaker 2: a support package there because there was significant national media
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  Speaker 2: coverage and we wanted to make sure that we were
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  Speaker 2: out there supporting our tourism operators. And like I said,
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  Speaker 2: that campaign and that effort is out there in market
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  Speaker 2: right now and we have huge efforts about telling those
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  Speaker 2: amazing stories about our springs happening right now.
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  Speaker 3: Is it a bit embarrassing?
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  Speaker 1: I mean to have the CEO of Quantas come into
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory and after you guys have sort of
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  Speaker 1: dug your heels in and said that everything else is
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  Speaker 1: having an impact on tourism. But again, I mean, even
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  Speaker 1: this morning, it sounds like you're not prepared to sort
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  Speaker 1: of say, yeah, crime has had a big hit on tourism.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a bit embarrassing? Then to have Alan Joyce
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  Speaker 1: come in and say it is.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Katie, I have said that we've gone through at
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  Speaker 2: the start of the year acknowledged that there was significant
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  Speaker 2: coverage around crime in Alice Springs and that's why we've
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  Speaker 2: gone out with the response package. To go out there
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  Speaker 2: to support our hard working tourism operators and again to
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  Speaker 2: make sure we're telling those amazing stories. But without a
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  Speaker 2: doubt the start of the year we did see significant
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  Speaker 2: national media coverage and I have no doubt that that
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  Speaker 2: would have impacted some people's decisions about where they travel
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  Speaker 2: to in Central Australia and reviews as well. So that's
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  Speaker 2: why we've responded, and that's why we're trying to back
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  Speaker 2: in the tourism industry there.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously we are now seeing those crime levels reduced.
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  Speaker 1: That's according to the police. You've touched on the fact
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  Speaker 1: that there are going to be some additional measures to
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  Speaker 1: really try to get things moving again. But are we
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  Speaker 1: doing enough? I mean, from all accounts, when you listen
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  Speaker 1: to the likes of Daniel Rochford, when you listen to
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  Speaker 1: you to the council, here's a struggle for them at
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  Speaker 1: the moment. Daniel Rochford was on the show earlier in
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  Speaker 1: the week and he said, Katie, I'm standing in the
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  Speaker 1: mall right now I can see two tourists yep.
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  Speaker 2: So I caught up with Tourism Central Australia last week.
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  Speaker 2: We catch up regularly and we have some very frank discussions.
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  Speaker 2: It is a story of mixed fortunes at the moment
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  Speaker 2: out there. There are some businesses that are doing very
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  Speaker 2: strongly and doing very well and reporting to us that
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  Speaker 2: they are fully booked and going very very well. There
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  Speaker 2: are other businesses that are seeing softer numbers out there
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  Speaker 2: and would like to be doing a bit better. But
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  Speaker 2: that's why at the start of the year we did
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  Speaker 2: announce those measures. They are in market they are going
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  Speaker 2: out there right now. But I think it goes beyond
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  Speaker 2: just the marketing. It's about accessibility as well Alice Springs,
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  Speaker 2: and that's why we're doing more work around getting more
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  Speaker 2: airlines into Alice Springs.
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  Speaker 1: Tom yeah, well, and I reckon not just Alice Springs
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  Speaker 1: but the territory more generally. When you talk about the
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  Speaker 1: accessibility of flights, it's a bit of a.
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  Speaker 3: Disaster at the moment. Trying to get a flight anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: You have to plan ahead, as we know, because it
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  Speaker 2: is tight and you know, I certainly flew over to
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  Speaker 2: Brisbane the other day for some meetings with the mining
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  Speaker 2: ministers and it wasn't a spare seat on the plane.
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  Speaker 2: So it's school holidays. People are moving about and if
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  Speaker 2: you're not organized, then you need to have to pay
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  Speaker 2: a huge amount of money to get on a flight
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  Speaker 2: or you're just going to miss out. We're working really
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  Speaker 2: hard to attract more airlines to the Northern Territory. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: to Darwin and to Alice Springs. We're having some very
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  Speaker 2: positive conversations. We'll have more to say about that. But
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  Speaker 2: the Northern Territory government alone can't do this. The airport
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  Speaker 2: plays a fundamental role here too in their charges and
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  Speaker 2: what they do to help attract airlines too. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: we also welcome local council support. Often the aviation packages
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  Speaker 2: that you see and the work that it's done, it's
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  Speaker 2: a joint effort by airports, governments and local government organizations.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I know that certainly Mey and Matt
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  Speaker 2: Patterson works very hard in this space. I've had some
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  Speaker 2: great conversations with him over time about the work that
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  Speaker 2: we're all doing. But I want your listeners to be
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  Speaker 2: assured that we are absolutely making every effort to get
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  Speaker 2: more airlines in. It makes a huge impact on our
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  Speaker 2: lives every day, on livability, but also to tourism and
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  Speaker 2: also of course to business, and we want to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that we have more services here to the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 2: It is highly competitive out there, but as from a
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  Speaker 2: government's perspective, we are pushing as hard as we can Katie,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to continue pushing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to try and well we're going to
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  Speaker 1: catch up with Matt Patterson in just a couple of
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  Speaker 1: moments before I get to that though. And you know
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  Speaker 1: what's happening or what they're calling for in allis in
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  Speaker 1: terms of that additional or potential additional funding when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to tourism. Can I just touch on you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: in terms of those negotiations with other airlines and bringing
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  Speaker 1: them to the Northern Territory and the charges which the
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  Speaker 1: airports obviously charge those airlines. Is the airport coming to
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  Speaker 1: the party here? Are they prepared to move the goalpost
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  Speaker 1: slightly so that we are able to get some other
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  Speaker 1: airlines operating out of the territory.
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  Speaker 2: We're working very closely with the airport. Basically, you can't
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  Speaker 2: do a deal in isolation without the airport at the table.
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  Speaker 2: They play an incredibly important role there and it comes
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  Speaker 2: down to those landing fees and the charges that they have.
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  Speaker 2: So we are working very closely with them. We're having
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  Speaker 2: some really positive discussions, hoping to have some more positive
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  Speaker 2: announcements coming forward. But please be assured that we are
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  Speaker 2: working very hard. But the airport plays a very important
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  Speaker 2: role here, so we do work very closely with them
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  Speaker 2: and with their team there.
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  Speaker 1: How do those fees compared to other locations.
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  Speaker 2: So that's not for me to say, But what I
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  Speaker 2: will say is it's about talking to the airlines about
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  Speaker 2: what's going to work for them in terms of securing
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  Speaker 2: their services. We want to see more competition here. We
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  Speaker 2: want to see more availability of new routes into the
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  Speaker 2: Northern Territory's not those markets. I constantly as a Northern
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  Speaker 2: Suburb member. I have conversations with my international community with
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  Speaker 2: only one option to go into Singapore at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: and that makes it so difficult for them to go
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  Speaker 2: see family, to have family come in, you know. So
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  Speaker 2: it's not just looking south, it's looking north too for
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  Speaker 2: those options, and also to get more international tourists here
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  Speaker 2: because you know, people are beseas too. They're going, right,
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready to leave my country. I'm kind of sick
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  Speaker 2: of doing everything domestically now. I want to go out
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  Speaker 2: and see the world. Again, so we need more availability
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  Speaker 2: to come directly into Darwin and into Alice Springs from
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  Speaker 2: north from south east west. We are pushing really hard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree. I don't think anybody
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  Speaker 1: would disagree with that. The more with you know, the
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  Speaker 1: more airline capacity we've got, obviously, the better that would be.
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  Speaker 1: And really, you know, some fairer prices because it is
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  Speaker 1: it's ridiculous right now.
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  Speaker 2: And let's say so in this country, we do have
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  Speaker 2: a very dominant airline and they are our nation's airline
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  Speaker 2: and they do have a lot of market control there
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  Speaker 2: and you know they cannect exercise that power and we're
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  Speaker 2: doing everything we can to make sure we continue you know,
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  Speaker 2: constructive conversations with them. It was great to have the
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  Speaker 2: board here last week to be able to show them
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  Speaker 2: the opportunities they were speaking so positively about the opportunities
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  Speaker 2: in the Northern territory. We also got to meet with
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  Speaker 2: a new chief executive and start building those relationships there.
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  Speaker 2: So so you know, we'll continue working with quantas. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, my goal as the Tourism Minister is to
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  Speaker 2: see new entrants into the market, to drive more competition
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  Speaker 2: and to see more availability and better prices for territorians.
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  Speaker 2: But the other challenge we've got right now, Kati is
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  Speaker 2: the airport is about to undergo runway works and this
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  Speaker 2: is going to possibly have an impact over the next
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  Speaker 2: few years. This is an airport that is owned by
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  Speaker 2: Defense and works with the Airport Development Group. They are
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  Speaker 2: finalizing the details of how those runway works will go.
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  Speaker 2: That tour is also something airlines are very live to
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  Speaker 2: you right now about what the consequences and the impacts
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  Speaker 2: could be there. So we are strongly advocating from the
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  Speaker 2: Northern Territory Government's perspective to have minimal disruption to services.
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  Speaker 2: It is important runways do need to be upgraded every
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  Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty years. It is time for this runway
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  Speaker 2: to be upgraded. This is for safety reasons. However, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we must make sure the impact on commercial airlines is
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  Speaker 2: minimal and we continue to advocate that to Defense, who
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  Speaker 2: ultimately have control of the contractors here through the federal government,
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  Speaker 2: and also the airport who are working with them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I agree, I think it's going to you know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't want it to have massive impact on what
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  Speaker 1: is already by the sounds of it, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: can be difficult, and we do want more airlines flying
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  Speaker 1: in to the territory. We want more options for territorians. Minister,
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  Speaker 1: I do want to ask mister Joyce apparently took a
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  Speaker 1: swipe at local tourism operators on his way through the territory,
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  Speaker 1: saying we'd be strong advocates of them doing more than
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  Speaker 1: they're doing today. We've tweaked capacity slightly, but we've kept
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  Speaker 1: the capacity in place, so there's plenty of seats. We
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  Speaker 1: just need to have a concerted effort to start filling
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  Speaker 1: them again. The local tourist organizations really need to get
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  Speaker 1: behind this and do some really hard yards to get
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  Speaker 1: tourists back to Alice Springs. Do you think they're doing enough?
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  Speaker 2: I just applaud Tourism Central Australia and our operators there
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  Speaker 2: on the ground, to the amazing people out at Ularu
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  Speaker 2: and Tenant Creek and all of our remote areas in
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  Speaker 2: Central Australia. They work so hard to tell a good story,
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  Speaker 2: and at the last Tourism Central Australia meeting, I know
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  Speaker 2: that they passed emotion that really emphasized their commitment to
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  Speaker 2: telling the positive stories about Central Australia and the amazing
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  Speaker 2: opportunities and trips that people can have the stick up for.
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  Speaker 3: Did you stick up for them? To Alan Joyce?
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  Speaker 2: So I always stand up for the territory tourism industry.
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  Speaker 2: And what I will say is that I think we've
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  Speaker 2: got the most amazing organization there and operators in Central Australia,
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  Speaker 2: and they do a wonderful job and I get the
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  Speaker 2: great privilege to work with them and keep backing them
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  Speaker 2: in every day.
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  Speaker 1: Just with those airlines that you're in discussions with, which
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  Speaker 1: other airlines are we talking here?
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  Speaker 3: Bonds are Rex?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go into the discussions here, Katie,
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  Speaker 2: but to say that there are some very exciting prospects here.
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  Speaker 2: These are delicate negotiations and we're working really hard.
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  Speaker 1: How far away do you reckon from knowing whether they
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  Speaker 1: are going to enter the market in the territory.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as I've got good news, I'll be the
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  Speaker 2: first one screaming it.
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  Speaker 3: Excellent, Kati, excellent. Now I do want to ask.
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  Speaker 1: I know that it's being reported today that in Central
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  Speaker 1: Australia that basically from what I can gather, some members
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  Speaker 1: of the town council are wondering if there'd be any
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to use a portion of the two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty million dollar lifeline from the federal government to encourage
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  Speaker 1: tourism in the area. Minister, is that one thing that
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  Speaker 1: could be a possibility here to try to give them
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  Speaker 1: a bit more of a boost to Central Australia.
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  Speaker 2: We'll continue to We didn't have government representation at that meeting,
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  Speaker 2: but I understand it was a really constructive meeting and
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  Speaker 2: I applaud Marion Scrimshaw as their local member for sitting
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  Speaker 2: down with them Quantas and the Council to have a
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  Speaker 2: look at what they can do to drive further tourism
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  Speaker 2: and further services into the center. So you know, really,
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  Speaker 2: you know clearly that is just a new idea that
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  Speaker 2: has been put on the table there. It would have
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  Speaker 2: to be worked through with the Commonwealth because it is
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  Speaker 2: their funding. But any extra efforts that can be put
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  Speaker 2: in place to drive further aviation services I welcome. And
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  Speaker 2: what I will say, Katie is that there are so
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  Speaker 2: many benefits to more airlines coming in. It is for
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  Speaker 2: people's liveability, for people's affordability to be able to tackle
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  Speaker 2: their own personal cost of living of living in our
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  Speaker 2: springs and knowing that they can get around see family
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  Speaker 2: or have family coming in. It is the business to
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  Speaker 2: help drive down the cost of business and drive further
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  Speaker 2: economic activity and of course tourism as well, so everybody
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  Speaker 2: wins if we get more airlines and more services into
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  Speaker 2: Alice Springs.
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  Speaker 1: Minister a couple of quick ones, because I know your
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  Speaker 1: press for time, as are we our listener question though
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  Speaker 1: somebody's been in contact and said, hi, Katie, we tried
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: to book Jetstar flights from Darwin to Bali for October,
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: but there are no flights scheduled between the seventh of
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  Speaker 1: October and the tenth of November. They apparently rang Jetstar
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  Speaker 1: and there was no explanation. Minister, are you aware of
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  Speaker 1: you know, are we in a situation here where there's
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  Speaker 1: no flights to Bali for a month.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to take that on notice, Katie,
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  Speaker 2: and we will look into that and get some information
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  Speaker 2: back to your show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be great if we could, because we had
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a look on web jets ourselves and
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  Speaker 1: couldn't see any available for that period of time.
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  Speaker 3: But to be good to find out was that.
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  Speaker 2: Seventh of October the tenth of November yes, that's.
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  Speaker 1: What this listener is saying. So if we're able to
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  Speaker 1: get some detail, that'd be wonderful. Hey, just a quick one.
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  Speaker 1: We've been talking about this throughout the week and no
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  Speaker 1: doubt we'll talk about the gain on the week that
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  Speaker 1: was tomorrow. We know that the ABC had reported two
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  Speaker 1: Northern Territory government MLAs charge taxpayers more than three grand
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  Speaker 1: in private interstate travel this year thanks to the fuel
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  Speaker 1: card entitlement. We have got a statement which we read
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  Speaker 1: out in full yesterday from the Speaker of the Northern
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  Speaker 1: Territories Legislative Assembly about this situation.
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  Speaker 3: But Minister, do you.
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  Speaker 1: Think it's appropriate for fuel cards to be used interstate
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  Speaker 1: by politicians when they're on private trips?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it comes down to what the Remuneration Tribunal say
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  Speaker 2: is allowable under their independent determinations about what members can
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: and can't do with their vehicles and with their fuel cards.
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  Speaker 2: This is within the rules, Katie, and that is something
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  Speaker 2: that the RTD makes allowance for.
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  Speaker 3: Would you do it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I work under different circumstances there where I don't
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  Speaker 2: have those vehicles and those fuel cards, but you know
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  Speaker 2: we can live within the rules. The most important thing
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  Speaker 2: is to be working within the rules, Katie, do you.
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  Speaker 1: Reckon that rule needs to change because it's not passing
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: the pub test for a lot of our listeners.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a determination for the RTD. Like I said,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: they are independent and they independently assess what members of
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Parliament are allowed to get in terms of allowances, salaries,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: entitlements and those things. So that is something for them
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: to look at.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: But not prepared to really give us your personal view
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: here as to whether you think it's all right.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, members need to be working within the
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: rules and this is what our hard working members are
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: doing here and so they are actually that is part
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: of their entitlements.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: There, Minister, a few more messages coming through about that
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Balley situation, so keen to find out a little bit
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: more if we can, well, no doubt be in contact soon.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we will go have a look into it.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Ask the department if they can get any more information
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: about it too, and if we get any response by
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: the end of the show today, we'll get it through
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: other Katie like, we'll get it there as soon as
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: we can.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Wonderful, Thank you very much, minister. We appreciate your time today.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Thanks Katie. Thank you, thank you.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Thanks mate.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: That is Nicole Madison there, the Minister for Tourism, also
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: the Deputy Chief Minister, and yeah, a few questions coming
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: through actually about flights and things. It's obvious that it
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: is something that's of concern to a lot of you.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: We'll take a really quick break. When we come back,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: you're going to be hearing from the Mayor of Alice Springs,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Matt Patterson.