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Patriots Catch-22 4/2: Latest Draft Takes, NFL League Meetings, Roster Building · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar.
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  Speaker 2: Blazar and Lazarre.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our bar Gas.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. If they were
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  Speaker 1: going to take genty and we were, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: come in here the next day and talk about it
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  Speaker 1: after you're you know, done, just getting in your fields.
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  Speaker 3: I this is It's always tough for me because I
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  Speaker 3: have I have my my genuine hatred towards running backs.
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  Speaker 1: Which han't which you shouldn't, but okay, but.
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  Speaker 3: It's always difficult for me when it comes to the
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  Speaker 3: draft because I do genuinely like some of the running
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  Speaker 3: backs in every draft, as you know, like I, I
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  Speaker 3: do genuinely like them, like I genuinely liked to be
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  Speaker 3: John Robinson coming out. You watch that tape and you're
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  Speaker 3: it's undeniable that he's a talented guy. But then the
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  Speaker 3: nerd in me fights against the film guy and me,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just like an internal conflict of.
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  Speaker 1: Always going to what film do I no offense to Matt.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know that that was the best quote
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  Speaker 1: last week from genty because I think somebody said, like,
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  Speaker 1: how disappointed would you be? And I said, my biggest
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  Speaker 1: disappointment would be I'm probably not gonna get to see
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  Speaker 1: the look on your face when the pick comes in.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny because we've talked a little bit about this
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  Speaker 3: deuce and I off the air, we find out maybe
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  Speaker 3: ten seconds before the TV goes yeah, right, And so
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  Speaker 3: my live reaction is usually a little bit rehearsed, planned,
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  Speaker 3: like I have a minute to kind of collect myself
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  Speaker 3: before we give our take on it. Last two drafts
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  Speaker 3: or do the two drafts that I've worked for the
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  Speaker 3: team I have Christian Zalaz and Drake May were genuine
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  Speaker 3: excitement for both. Oh I got.
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  Speaker 1: Felger Mas Rose did me for how excited I got?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah for the Gonzales one.
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  Speaker 3: But it's funny because yeah, that you.
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  Speaker 1: Know that rightfully, by the way, I was right to
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  Speaker 1: be excited.
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  Speaker 3: But I, like I said, when it comes to running back,
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  Speaker 3: especially in the class, like it's a great running back
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  Speaker 3: class objectively, there's a lot of great running backs in
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  Speaker 3: this class. What do you how do you kind of
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  Speaker 3: deal with the value of the position. And I have
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  Speaker 3: another take about positional value. We'll get to hear in
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  Speaker 3: a second. But hello, everybody, welcome in. It's Evan Lazar
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  Speaker 3: and Alex Bart just getting right to it right off
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  Speaker 3: the jump, as we we typically do, and before we
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  Speaker 3: get really into the weeds here, we're gonna talk a
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  Speaker 3: little bit about the league meetings, all the news that's
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  Speaker 3: coming out of the league meetings, Patriots related news, mostly
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  Speaker 3: some Patriots adjacent stuff that I think is relevant to
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots as well coming out of the league meetings,
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  Speaker 3: and I have to poke a little bit fun. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 3: but we're not going to talk about succession plans. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we're not going to talk about any of that. If
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  Speaker 3: you want that, you're in the wrong place. This is
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  Speaker 3: gonna be draft talk. This is going to be team
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  Speaker 3: building talk about what was said at the owners meetings
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  Speaker 3: and all that good stuff for the next couple of hours.
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  Speaker 3: New England Patriots. All right, everybody, So, in terms of
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  Speaker 3: the news coming out of the owners meetings this week,
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  Speaker 3: Alex I kind of broke it up into a few
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  Speaker 3: different bullet points. You know, Mike Rabel's press conferences the.
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  Speaker 1: Meat of this.
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  Speaker 3: There's some Patriots adjacent news like I talked about as
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  Speaker 3: well with you know, Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins and
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  Speaker 3: things like that that could be related. But I think
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  Speaker 3: the biggest takeaway that I had just from listening to Rabel,
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  Speaker 3: listening to some of the things that he had to say,
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  Speaker 3: and I know he had some nice things to say
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  Speaker 3: about some other prospects, but I kind of came to
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  Speaker 3: the conclusion and when you're picking at four overall, I
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  Speaker 3: don't need to have a list of ten guys, right,
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  Speaker 3: you need to have a list of four, right.
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  Speaker 1: You know he doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: This is not a situation where they're picking You're just
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  Speaker 3: talking about Christian Gonzales where they're picking fifteenth. So you
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  Speaker 3: need to have fifteen names that you would be comfortable
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  Speaker 3: with or you know that were in that range. So
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to the four guys, I think, as
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  Speaker 3: it stands today on April second, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter
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  Speaker 3: or obviously on everybody's list. I think, you know, in
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  Speaker 3: terms of that being in the top four or five picks,
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  Speaker 3: I've come to the conclusion that I really feel like
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  Speaker 3: Will Campbell and armand Membu or the two other guys
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  Speaker 3: on their list, and it's really just gonna kind of
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  Speaker 3: come down to do one of those top two guys
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  Speaker 3: fall in your lap, right and you run the cart
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  Speaker 3: up with Carter or Hunter, and you're really happy about that.
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  Speaker 3: If not. Ra Abile talked a little bit about marrying
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  Speaker 3: need with best player available and making sure that hopefully
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  Speaker 3: that those two things kind of go hand in hand
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  Speaker 3: with a pick that you make, and I feel like
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  Speaker 3: just listening to them talk about tackle, knowing that they
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  Speaker 3: need to address that in the draft, knowing that there
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  Speaker 3: are two tackles that are probably worthy of going roughly
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  Speaker 3: in that range, and we can debate if it's a
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  Speaker 3: little high, a little low, whatever, but roughly in that range.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just kind of having a tough time going outside
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  Speaker 3: the box here and thinking that it could be a
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Walker, or it could be a Tyler Warren, or
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  Speaker 3: it could be a Ted McMillan. Even at that pick
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  Speaker 3: when they have a glaring need. They have two guys
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  Speaker 3: that sounds like they feel pretty good about in the
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  Speaker 3: Membu and Campbell. Now it just kind of comes down
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  Speaker 3: to which one do they like better?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I think even if they get a
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  Speaker 1: trade back offer there, right, it doesn't sound like there's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a ton of desire to trade up in
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  Speaker 1: this draft. So at what point if you're offered what
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  Speaker 1: a fourth round pick to move back two or three spots,
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  Speaker 1: if you know you want to tackle, what are the
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  Speaker 1: odds it's Carter, Membu, four, five, right, six, whatever? Right
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  Speaker 1: at that point, you just take your guy. So it
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  Speaker 1: does feel like that's the group. He was very complimentary
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  Speaker 1: of Tyler Warren. There is still the Ashton Genty best
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  Speaker 1: player available thing. Maybe that comes into play more if
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  Speaker 1: they move back, But I'm with you, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: those two guys who talked about since the start of
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  Speaker 1: this thing, Carter and Hunter. Those two guys are above
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  Speaker 1: all else. And then after them, I think it's well,
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  Speaker 1: and we've talked about this, Campbell, Membo, Genty, McMillan, Warren,
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  Speaker 1: Graham like it's sort of all things equal, they all
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  Speaker 1: have sort of a glaring question. So if it's all
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  Speaker 1: things equal, what's the most obvious tiebreaker? And it is
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  Speaker 1: and it should be need Yeah, and then you get
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  Speaker 1: to the tackle position then and then it just comes
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  Speaker 1: down to what they both played in the SEC, and
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  Speaker 1: Vrabel was praised both of them on Monday. If they
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  Speaker 1: said they played in the SEC, you see what they did.
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  Speaker 1: It comes down to what do you want to take
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  Speaker 1: the gamble on the guy who doesn't have the deal
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  Speaker 1: measurables or the guy who's going to be moving positions?
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  Speaker 1: Right there's limited examples of success for both in the
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  Speaker 1: NFL right now, either one would be an outlier if
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  Speaker 1: he succeeds. Which one do you want to take the
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  Speaker 1: gamble one?
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  Speaker 3: So speaking of outliers, the other point that comes, you know,
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  Speaker 3: into this conversation, and you're right, you know, Rabel gave
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  Speaker 3: that answer about Will Campbell specifically asked about his arm
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  Speaker 3: length and he has specifically said, well, he did it
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  Speaker 3: at a high level for three years in the SEC.
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  Speaker 3: Now got to be objective about it. There are there
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  Speaker 3: are a lot of players that were great in the
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  Speaker 3: SEC that were not great in the NFL, not does
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  Speaker 3: that tackle you know, at all positions, right, So that's
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  Speaker 3: not always a guarantee. But when you look at the
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  Speaker 3: players in college football and you're projecting to the NFL,
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  Speaker 3: you're projecting with everybody. So the best projections are the
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  Speaker 3: guys that have gone up against NFL caliber competition in
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  Speaker 3: a conference as good as the SEC that is close
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  Speaker 3: to a NFL caliber competition you're going to get at
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  Speaker 3: the college level. So that being said, Dame Bugler of
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  Speaker 3: the Athletic Friend of the Program, UH tweeted out last
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  Speaker 3: night something that you were first on.
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  Speaker 1: You were you were first on the store. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there were a lot of draft people talking about it,
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  Speaker 1: like immediately after the combine. I was the first to
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  Speaker 1: put it into graphic. A lot of people were talking to.
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  Speaker 3: Me, Yeah, what's the word humble about this?
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  Speaker 1: You? You were?
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  Speaker 3: You were first on?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: I literally noticed it. I wish I could remember who
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  Speaker 1: I saw tweet it. I noticed it because I saw
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  Speaker 1: somebody tweet hey, some of these measurements don't line up,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, let me look at that.
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  Speaker 1: So I was first with the graphic. I'll take credit
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  Speaker 1: for that. I might have been the loudest. If you
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  Speaker 1: want to say it was the loudest about it. I
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  Speaker 1: will absolutely take credit for that, But I a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people notice this, which makes it even more ridiculous
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  Speaker 1: that it took us this long to get to this
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  Speaker 1: point where we're accepting this as a reality in this draft.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Papa Rillo is not accepting it as a reality.
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  Speaker 1: Paul's were I.
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  Speaker 3: Told him that I was gonna make He told me
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  Speaker 3: that he knows that he's going to catch strays in
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  Speaker 3: this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: So I gotta I gotta own up to that believing
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  Speaker 1: an NFL sanctioned measurement.
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  Speaker 3: So dam Burglar. Last night from the Athletic again, the
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  Speaker 3: author of The Beast said, among the forty six O
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  Speaker 3: line Combine prospects who remeasured at their pro day, forty
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  Speaker 3: three of them had longer arms at their pro day
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  Speaker 3: measured by NFL scouts. So couple things. One common misconception.
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  Speaker 3: This is not some LSU staffer that is measuring Will
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  Speaker 3: Campbell's arms in the effort to inflate the measurement.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You often hear that the time, you know, the forty
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  Speaker 3: time at a pro day is going to be much
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  Speaker 3: better at the Combine because they're they're trying to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: fluff up their guys. They're trying to promote their guys.
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  Speaker 3: You hear that about the Senior Bowl, that they're going
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  Speaker 3: to always be a little bit generous to the players
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  Speaker 3: to make them look better from a Senior Bowl perspective.
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  Speaker 3: An NFL scout measures the arm length at the pro days.
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  Speaker 3: Dan had the exact number. Forty three of forty six
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  Speaker 3: measured in longer at their pro days than at the Combine.
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  Speaker 3: And at this point it sounds like a lot of
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  Speaker 3: teams are operating with Will Campbell as thirty three inch arms. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I know a lot of people hear this and are like,
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about three aces of an inch, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it really doesn't make a difference. I don't think it
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  Speaker 3: necessarily makes a ton of difference to teams, Like I
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  Speaker 3: think NFL teams are always going to have the most
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  Speaker 3: accurate information with this kind of stuff. They're always going
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  Speaker 3: to get to the bottom of it one way or another.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna have their own evaluations. I'm a little pissed
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  Speaker 3: off about this though, as you should, as as texting you,
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  Speaker 3: but should be because on the day that Will Campbell
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  Speaker 3: measured in at thirty two and five. As at the combine,
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  Speaker 3: I wrote that I would not take him at four
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  Speaker 3: overall with that are length measurement, thinking that that essentially
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  Speaker 3: would disqualify him from being a very a let's call
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  Speaker 3: it a Pro Bowl caliber guard, right, a tackle, excuse me,
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  Speaker 3: a really good tackle in the NFL. There isn't a
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  Speaker 3: whole lot of precedent of a tackle measuring in that
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  Speaker 3: far under thirty three. We're not talking about an eighth
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  Speaker 3: of an inch. We're talking about almost half an inch
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  Speaker 3: under the threshold. And thresholds exist for a reason. At
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  Speaker 3: some point you have to have a cutoff, but can't
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  Speaker 3: We can't be having guys playing tackle at thirty one
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  Speaker 3: inch arms, right Like, At some point there's going to
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  Speaker 3: be a cutoff, and you have to stay true to
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  Speaker 3: your your system and stay true to what you believe
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  Speaker 3: in in terms of the cutoff. So I wrote at
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  Speaker 3: the time of the combine, the day of that this
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  Speaker 3: all came out, that I would not take Campbell at
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  Speaker 3: four overall. Now that time has passed and we've learned
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  Speaker 3: new information, I have amended my stance on this because
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  Speaker 3: we have two numbers that are similar, the one from
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  Speaker 3: last spring yeah, which was thirty two and seven a's
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  Speaker 3: and now the one from his pro day, which is
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  Speaker 3: thirty three inches.
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  Speaker 1: And I would just add to that it's not unrealistic.
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  Speaker 1: I know you count those as two different numbers. A
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  Speaker 1: twenty year old grew an eighth of an inch in
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  Speaker 1: a year like, both of those can absolutely be true.
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  Speaker 3: But even still my and again, NFL teams are not
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  Speaker 3: gonna get duped by this. They will have an accurate number.
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  Speaker 3: I see a lot of this is gonna cost Will
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  Speaker 3: Campbell millions. I don't think it's gonna cost him million.
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  Speaker 1: It's not gonna cost to finish your rant and then
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  Speaker 1: I'll do my part.
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  Speaker 3: It's not gonna cost Will Campbell any money. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 3: NFL teams will get it right. It does, though, sting
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  Speaker 3: for people like us who are on the outside looking
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  Speaker 3: into this. And so I gave a take basing it
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  Speaker 3: off a thirty two and five a's where I wrote
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  Speaker 3: it's now in print that I am out on Will
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  Speaker 3: Campbell at four overall for a player that back in
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: January I gushed about on this program and said that
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  Speaker 3: I just loved the tape that he put out last year.
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  Speaker 3: I've been a Will Campbell guy, and then I wavered
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  Speaker 3: because of the stupid combine measurement, and it ended up
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  Speaker 3: that the combine was wrong and had the wrong measurement
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  Speaker 3: on his arms. If he had thirty three inch arms
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  Speaker 3: at the combine, I never would have written that. I
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  Speaker 3: never would have written that. I would have been all
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  Speaker 3: in on the player. Thirty three inch arms are above.
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  Speaker 3: You get into that Rashawn Slater territory, right, and you
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  Speaker 3: get into all those different territories. So let's just continue
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  Speaker 3: to preface this.
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  Speaker 1: This is a me problem. No one cares.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I get that, but for the discourse of the
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  Speaker 3: draft and the conversation around the draft, and then also
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  Speaker 3: I would just say that the environment that it sets
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  Speaker 3: up for Will Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: So that's where I wanted to go. He's gonna be
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: like poor Jalen Brown on Draft night getting food because
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  Speaker 1: all these people think there's this arbitrary number, and you're right,
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  Speaker 1: it's not gonna cost Will Campbell any money because teams
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  Speaker 1: will do their research and realistically, if they really want
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  Speaker 1: to know, they'll have them in for a thirty visit
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  Speaker 1: and they'll get the tape measure out themselves, right right.
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  Speaker 1: Who this does cost is guys like Marcus Mobou. Marcus
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  Speaker 1: Mobou played guard at Perdue for three years, moved to
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  Speaker 1: right tackle last year, was very good at it measured
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  Speaker 1: in at the Senior Bowl and the Senior Bowl and
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  Speaker 1: Pro Day numbers and the Trine Bowl and Prodee numbers
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  Speaker 1: line up, by the way, which is how we know
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  Speaker 1: the combine is wrong because if three individual groups have
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  Speaker 1: one number and one group has another number, did all
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  Speaker 1: three screw up equally right? Or was the one the outlier?
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  Speaker 1: Marcus Mobou. Now, look, he's right on the threshold, but
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  Speaker 1: he measured it in thirty three at the Senior Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: He measured it in thirty two. With the combine, he
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  Speaker 1: lost a whole inch. Yeah, Campbell, we're talking about three eights.
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  Speaker 1: Marcus Macbou lost a whole inch. So he's already like
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  Speaker 1: a fringe top one hundred pick is a right tackle? Well,
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  Speaker 1: all right, if he's a thirty two, now he's a guard.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're on the fence about Marcus Mobou, no
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  Speaker 1: offense to him, But are you gonna burn a thirty
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  Speaker 1: visit on Marcus Mabou to get the royal measurement for him?
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  Speaker 1: Are you just gonna move on to other guards or
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  Speaker 1: other tackles. A guy like that, it's gonna cost him money.
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  Speaker 1: A guy like Brandon Crenshaw Dixon who lost more than
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  Speaker 1: half an inch, it might cost him money. Even some
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  Speaker 1: of these guards that got short change. And it's at
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  Speaker 1: other positions. JT. Tooey Molowout from Ohio State lost over
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  Speaker 1: an inch of arm length as a defensive end. Chris
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  Speaker 1: Paul became a true statistical outlier at the linebacker position
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  Speaker 1: for arm length between his pro day and the combine.
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  Speaker 1: That's another guy that's day three that at the linebacker position.
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  Speaker 1: Are team's really gonna look at it or in a
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  Speaker 1: strong linebacker classic, are they gonna say, we're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: burn a thirty visit to get the right number. There's
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  Speaker 1: other linebackers we can take. Yeah, this can cost these
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  Speaker 1: kids money. Yeah, it absolutely can. Not just the lineman
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  Speaker 1: across the board. I don't know if we'll ever get
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  Speaker 1: an answer on what happened. We should, or at least
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: the players should.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a reporter. I wonder if the next year
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: reach out to the league spokesman.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if next year we're gonna hear if there's
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  Speaker 1: any like hesitance from players without the combine.
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  Speaker 3: But I gotta be honest with you, I don't trust it.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a relationship. I don't trust you anymore like you.
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  Speaker 3: I like obviously if it's if it's even between the
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  Speaker 3: senior ball and the combine and the shrine bowl and
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  Speaker 3: the combine, I.
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  Speaker 1: Will trust it. And let me be clear, because I
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  Speaker 1: saw skeptical. I saw somebody ask this last night, like,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: how do we know the numbers in the past?
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Wrong. In the past, it might be off by an
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: eighth of an inch or two here or there, but
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: it would be like within it, within a quarter of
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: an inch, And it was in both directions. Some guys
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: are a little longer, some guys are a little shorter. Okay, Like,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: that's all within the margin for error. This is outside
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: of the margin for error, and it's all in one direction. Right.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: If some guys are measuring in an inch too short
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: and some guys are measuring an inch too long, it
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: would be a different conversation. But it it looks like
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: the combine got it wrong. And you know forty times
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: have been talking about being inaccurate for years, But this
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: is a definitive measurement, like you're not trying to hit
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: a moving target. You're not measuring the guy's arm while
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: he's doing windmills. So yeah, I'm using the Pro Day
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: or Senior Bowl or Shrine Bowl numbers. I think that's
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: what's more applicable here. I would encourage everybody else to
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: do the same. Obviously, what you want to do, that's
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: your prerogative. Don't let your affinity or dislike if certain
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: prospects dictate that. If you don't like Will Campbell, you
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: can not like Will Campbell with thirty three inch arms
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: just as much as you cannot like him with thirty
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: two and five eighthens arms. That's fine. If you don't
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: like him based on the tape, we disagree, But that's
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: like a that's draft season. We disagree on that. If
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you're gonna say, well, no, I'm using the combine number
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: because I want to be right about Will Campbell, or
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I want to be right about Marcus Bow, or I
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: want to be right about any of these other guys. Now,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: you're just allowing the players you like to dictate your beliefs,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: when it should be the other way around. What you
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: look for, what you like in players, that should dictate
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the players you like. So it's unfortunate this happened. But
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I was trying to tell you, guys, I was trying
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to tell you it was wrong. Campbell comes into thirty
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: three inches. Shouldn't be any question if you if you're
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: worried about the tape and look the wingspan, which by
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: the way, was about the same at both measurements. So
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: if they were trying to hype them up at the
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Pro day, why didn't they also hype up as wingspan.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: If you're worried about the wingspan, if you're worried about
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: what's on tape, like, we can have that conversation. Just
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: don't talk to me about thirty two and five days
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: in charms.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: I again, I just I don't. I'm going to be skeptical.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be skeptical of what the combine puts out.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: And this is a problem.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: People will have to see what happens with the Senior
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Bowl and the Shrine Bowl, like it'll be lining up.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: But this is a problem because I think a lot
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: of teams, not a lot, you know, I've had people
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: reach out to every team. Just trust the combine. Yeah, right,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Every year when the guys measure in because the combine
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: has no biases. It's not LSU's Pro Day, it's not uh,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: you know, Missouri's Pro Day, it's the control Pro Day.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: It's the control group. They have no biases. They they
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: have no skin in the game to inflate numbers or
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: mess with numbers or whatever. So that is the most
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: accurate number. And teams for years and years and years
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: have always just trusted the numbers out of Indianapolis. They
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: haven't even thought twice about it. They just trust the
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: numbers out of Indianapolis.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Well, there was like, there's never any reason not to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: trust it. I guess sure, don't fault them. But this
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: year there's a reason not to trust there's.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: There's a reason not to trust it. And and Dane,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: you know, is his reporting, he mentioned that teams are
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: that he's spoken to, you know, not all thirty two,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: but teams that he's spoken to are using the pro
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Day numbers like they are using Will Campbell has thirty
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: three in charms like that is the number they are.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Using, as they should.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: So it's it's a part of the conversation. It's an
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: interesting part of the conversation, you know. To get back
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: to sort of you know why thirty three is so important.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: You know, that's the threshold. It used to be thirty four.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: It got moved down to thirty three because a couple
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: of different guys, you know, Rashaun Slater probably being the
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: biggest one that was right on the line at thirty three.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: But Penny Sewell's also in the thirty three range. Yeah,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: you know, Taylor Decker is also in the thirty three range.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Ryan Ramchick from the Rams, from the Ramps, from the
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Saints is also in that range as well.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: So there is a lot of guys.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's one hundred percent accurate because
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: you know, he goes back aways. But Joe Thomas was
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: a high thirty three inch arm light that that was
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: something coming out with him that was a little bit
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: of a question mark. So the threshold got moved. It's
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: thirty three inches. There are quite a few left tackles
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: that played Pro Bowl caliber left tackle with thirty three
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: inch inch in you know, a fraction of inch arms.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: So when you get to thirty three, the ceiling for
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: a guy like Will Campbell at tackle now feels a
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: lot higher, or not a lot, but a little bit higher.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Because you'd think that, you know, Okay, now we can
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: coach around some of these arm length deficiencies and maybe
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: we can fix some of the technique that led to
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: some of the things that we see on tape where
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: he's not as good. So yep, that's where we're at.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: If there's one silver lining in it. At press conference,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: he gave it as pro day. Yeah. Oh, he's pissed,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: as he should be pissed at the league. You're right,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and he should be in. Good for him. What do
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: you think Mike Rabel thought when he saw that press conference?
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Well, we've said all along with Will Campbell, that he's
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: a rabele guy. Yeah, that was his character, his makeup,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: and I understand that some people roll their eyes at that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Just give me the talent. This is a talented kid, right.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: And one of the things that I've sort of gravitated
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: towards more in the draft in recent years is young breakouts,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: guys that were truly young breakout players. Because when you
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: talk about ceiling and we talk about potential, this is
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: in any sport really like the NBA, it's the same
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: draft process is the same way the younger the player
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: was when they broke out usually signals the higher the
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: player's ceiling is. So, you know, just recent examples like
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Christian Zalez and Drake May were both young brains, make
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: out players, right they were underclassmen. They were you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: stars as underclassmen. Drake May's big season was his sophomore
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: season at North Carolina. Will Campbell is has been a
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: young breakout player. There's tape of him two years ago
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: against like Jared Verse in Florida State, right, you know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: like we're talking about him playing left tackle for Jayden
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Daniels as well as Ness Meyer and and you know
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: playing last year at LSU. So I'm big on that.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I think it's important. You know, Travis Hunter checks that
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: box two as well. But there are a lot of prospects,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: especially with Nil and COVID, and there's still remnants of
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: that that are older that have been in college football
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: for five six years. For example, Yeah, Tyler Warrens one, uh,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: you know, he's on the older side. So that that's
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: where we're at right now with Will Campbell the other
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: things I just wanted to you got one more thing.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Well, kind of along those lines, and you know Vrabel
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: sort of hyping up Campbell on Monday also hyped up
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: arm On and you mentioned the young breakout thing. This
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: is a guy that was as a recruit viewed as
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a guard wins the starting right tackle jobs. Is true.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Freshman year at Missouri. Never gave it up, I rabeled,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: sounded confident Membo could make the switch. Yeah too, from
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: from right to left. So where are you at with
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: armand Membo at this point?
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a couple of things with Member. You know
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the switch, I did that deep dive I forgot I
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: forgot one, and somebody on Twitter pointed it out, so
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. But my data didn't go back far
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: enough for Tyron Smith called the last ten years, so
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I was looking at the last ten years. Tyron Smith
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: at USC was a right tackle, so he moved to
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: left tackle and Dallas probably gonna go into the Pro
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Football Hall of Fame.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: But he also there was a year in between where
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: he played right tackle. At the NFL, I don't he
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: might have started at right tackle now. I don't think
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: he was at left tackle right away because they had somebody.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I'll look it up. So Tyren Wurfs went right. Well,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Worfs did.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: The same thing. He's right right in Tampa and then
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: moved to left. So Tyron Smith, trist and Wharfs are
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: the top tier, right, Yeah, both all pro caliber players
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: going from right to left from college to the pros.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Jedrick Wills is sort of like a nice floor.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: They had dug free by the way it left free.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: It's sort of a nice floor, right, Like Jederick Wills
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: was a solid player for Cleveland for a couple of
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: years until he got you know, injuries started to catch
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: up to him and things like that. He was a
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: college right tackle, left tackle in the NFL. So there
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: are examples, but it's three examples over the span of
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: fifteen plus years that you can really come up with
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: the guys that have done it and stuck on the
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: left side.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Last year a.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Couple teams tried it. Telis Fugala in Chicago, Jac.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Lath in New Orleans? Is he in New Orleans? Yeah?
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Why did I say Chicago?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know New Orleans? Yeah, Now I lost my
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: train of thought.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Jac Latham, Jac Latham and Tennessee right. And there was
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: one more. I have it writ down. I'll look it up.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: But the point being Latham is already back at right tackle.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: They signed Dan Moore junior.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: They gave Dan More junior a terrible contrey in order
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: to be able to do Yeah, he's already back at
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: right tackle.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the the oh. The other one
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: was Tyler Guyton with the Dallas Cowboys. So Tyler Goyton
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: had an up and down year, was starting for a
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: little bit, was benched, was starting again right like they
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: kind of had him in and out of the lineup
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: a little bit. He was a right tackle at Oklahoma
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: and then got moved to left tackle with Dallas last year.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I remember this with with Geyton, particularly because he was
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, and I was there, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: they had him working out a lot at the left
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: side because teams he has tackle feet, He's got tackle height,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: tackle length, tackle size, so everybody wanted to see if
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: he could play left. And he struggled a little bit,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I thought at the Senior Bowl, trying to make the
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: change from right to left. I think the biggest thing, though,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: beyond just a change that I look at with Membu
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: and this is maybe just a philosophical thing for me
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: that might be different from other people, And I think
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: it kind of comes back to some of the traditional
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Patriots Belichick era stuff. When I think of right and
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: left tackle, at right, I feel like run blocking can
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: be more important, like having a really good run blocking
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: right tackle is health is you know, sort of where
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I look at right tackle, like, if you're a good
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: run blocker and just an average pass blocker, I'm probably
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: playing you on the right side right because it's not
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: the blind side and all that good stuff. Left tackle,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: they've I feel like they've always had a little bit
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: of a better athlete on the left side. I know
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Membu is a great athlete, but I just mean a
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: better pass protector right, I think is a better way
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: of putting that. A better pass protector on the left side,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: more nimble, more athletic guy on the left side. Membo,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: when I look at him, first of all, he's a squatty,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: thick built right he's like six four three and thirty pounds.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: He's he's kind of built like a guard in terms
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: of his body type. And then I also look at
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: the pass blocking tape and it's not a ton And
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I actually went back and watched a little bit of
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three for both him and Burden recently. It's
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: not a ton of true NFL style drop back passing
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: right where he is one on one on an island
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: in pass protection. They have a lot of moving pockets
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: in that offense. They chip and help a lot to
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: their tackles, you know, with their running backs and the
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: tight ends. I would say Will Campbell had a lot
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: more true pass sets in the stats back it up
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: than armand Membu in college by quite a bit of
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: a wide margin. So when I look at Membu I
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: and transitioning to right, from right to left, he has
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the lesson to do it, He's got the length to
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: do it. He's a tackle right like, he's got all
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the tackle measurables checked off. But I do wonder if
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: he's going to be a little bit greener as a
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: pass protector once he has more exposure to actually NFL
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: style pass blocking right.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: We don't.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think I necessarily have a great feel for
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: how he's gonna be on the blind side one on one,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: you know, week one against a stud pass rusher in
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: the NFL, Like, how is he gonna hold up in
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: that matchup? Whereas with Campbell, I feel a little bit
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: more confident that he could go ahead toe to toe
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: with somebody.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Like that, and just because the way they're set up,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and maybe this changes with the draft, but left tackle
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: is not gonna be an easy position to help right
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: right right side Morgan, Moses, Michael and Win who you
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: feel good it's one on one, you're gonna be one
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: on one over there, But left guard might end up
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: being your weak spot. So are you trying to help
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: They're in at left tackle like they're gonna be helping
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: each other. What exactly is that going to look? Like?
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: You're gonna need a guy that can win on an
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: island at left tackle.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and typically you do, like just looking at the
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: statistics of you know, we have data now that says like,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: how often is this guy on an island right? How
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: often does he get hell? How often is he true
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: pass blocking on an island? And typically it's all the
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: left tackles right, Like, the only right tackles that are
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: up there are like Penny Seol right because lines are
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: just like, well, we'll just leave him one on one,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: but everybody else is usually on the left side. So
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I like Membo. I don't want it to come across
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: as like I think Membo is a bad prospect because
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I feel like you when you like one guy more
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: than the other.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It becomes very territorial. It's become combativeated.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: It always likes across that way.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: You can like both. I do like both. But again,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: what am I willing to bet on Will Campbell being
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: outside the norm for arm length or arm On Membu
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: being outside the norm as a position changer? I've seen
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell play left tackle. That's what I'm betting on
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: that I've seen him do it. Yeah, and is he perfect? No,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: there there are no perfect there's no perfect prospects. I
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: really haven't had to use that line that much this
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: year because I think everybody knows that's the case. But like,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: especially in this draft, Like, all right, we're betting on
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: his size versus where else are we going? Again? The
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: position changer? Tet McMillan's speed or can you really build
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the whole thing around a running back with gent or
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Tyler Warren being an older, late breakout player, Like gotta
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: take a shot somewhere. Yeah, and that's where I'm willing
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to all things consider. That's why I'm willing to take
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the shot. Yeah, unless, of course Carter and Hunter are there.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: So that's that I don't you know, we spend a
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: ton of time on this, So.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: We should just get like a little like piece of
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: paper the sign that says like unless Carter and Hunter
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: or if Carter and Hunter off the board. Yeah, instead
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: of having to put that qualifier, just hold it up
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: every time we're giving a take where that applies. Would
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: save a lot of time.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I I just keep coming back to it again.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: I know it's probably uh, it's probably old school, and
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: I probably need to let it go. But when you
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: watch when you look at armand Membu and you look
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: at the way he's built, like just his body type
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: on and you look at you know, he's a wide
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: bodied tackle. And when I think of wide bodied tackles,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I just think of right tackle, Like I just don't
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: think of those types of players playing a ton on
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: the left side. And speaking of wide bodied tackles. Another
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: you know, portion of of Rabel's interview that I found
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: interesting was him talking about Kid Wallace and not ruling
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: out Caden Wallace as a potential tackle. Again, I feel
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: as though looking at Caden Wallace, watching his tape, the
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: way he moves, the way he plays, and the body type,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I think he's a right tackle and not just because
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: he played right tackle in college, but just he looks
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: like a right tackle. I also wouldn't totally roll out
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: with Wallace, and this I actually feel even stronger about.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not rolling out moving him inside to guard because
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: there's a really good track record and we've talked about
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: this in the past with Campbell. There's a really good
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: track record of college tackles moving to guard in the
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: NFL and being very good guards, right Zach Martin, Brandon Sheriff,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Joe Toney, Elijah Vera Tucker, Like, there's a really long
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: list of that. So if you move Caden Wallace inside
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: the guard where now he's going to be an athletic
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: guard and probably a high level pass protecting guard. I
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: like the idea that left guard is wide open. You know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: there's a wide open competition. So the way I look
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: at it right now with it sounds like they're probably
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: gonna hope that Wallace can be the swing tackle this
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: year and then maybe long term he's the right tackle
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: of the future, learning behind Morgan Moses for a year
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: or two and then he takes over there. I'm just
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: not necessarily thinking that left tackles in his future, but
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: very able didn't rule out him playing left well.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: So when Ellie Wolf was on with Feulger, he talked
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: about how he sees Wallace primarily is the right tackle,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and I kind of if the plan really is we're
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: gonna let Kane Wallace compete for the starting left tackle job.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I don't love that. Yeah, but remember they need backups too.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: They only have one true left tackle in the roster
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: right now, and that's Vadarian Lowe. It's not like, all right,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Vaderian Lowe's back and they have some guy who is
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: on the practice squad, they signed to a future contractor
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: they don't even have the bodies. So they are going
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: to need backups in addition to starters at these positions.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: And we saw Vaderian low on the right side in
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. It doesn't work. He is purely a
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: left tackle. That is his position period, full stop. So
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna carry him as your backup left tackle,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: you now also have to have a backup right tackle.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Whereas if you can cross train Cane Wallace enough that
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: he can be a swing tackle, and maybe he's not
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: great at left, but if you have to have him
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: start a game or two, you can get by right. Well,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: now you have the option where you don't need to
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: carry Vederian Low, and that opens up a roster spot
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: somewhere else. So I think ideally they'd like Walls to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: be comfortable enough at both tackle spots that they don't
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: have to keep four tackles on the roster. He's basically
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: competing for with Vaderian Low for the backup left tackle spot,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: is how I read that, and then eventually, like you said,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: he can become the starting right tackle down the road.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not against him at trying to mcguard either. I
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: would try him everywhere everywhere. He's probably a little too
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: big to be a center, but yeah, get him familiar
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: in as many spots as possible. I wonder what like, now,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you're having a lot of bodies there, you're gonna draft
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: a rookie and you need to make sure you have
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: the reps. But I developing him as a swing tackle
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: makes sense because even if they draft Will Campbell and
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: it's Will Campbell at left tackle or arm On Membo
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: either one right, if you draft either of those guys,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: are Arianta Ristrey later on, Okay, this is gonna be
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: our starting left tackle. We're putting him in place, is
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: low still your backup? Like, are you gonna add another
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: left tackle to compete there or whatever? And is that Wallace?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Is it somebody else in the draft, a guy like
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Hauling Pierce right or a guy like Anthony Belton. So
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I it doesn't the idea of just seeing what Walls
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: can do at left tackle isn't a bad idea as
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: long as the idea isn't well, you know, we can
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: maybe have him as a starter like that shouldn't be
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: part of the thought. It's just if he can back
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: up at both tackle spots, we can save a roster spot.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Now he becomes le Adrian Wadham.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I do wonder too if they draft they
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: could double dim at tackle in the draft, like it
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: probably won't be too top one hundred picks, but you
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: mentioned Anthony Belton. You know, I really think Charles Grant
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: from William Marry is a really interesting develop mental prospect
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: outside the top one hundred probably not I think you
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: probably third round pick, but he's probably you know, he's
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: another guy right, just throwing his name out there, uh,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: that that could be in that developmental role and no,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: no offense meant whatsoever. To Vaderian Low, but you kind
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: of know what Vaderian Low is at this point. So
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: if Caden Wallace can prove to be serviceable enough to
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: be the top swing tackle going into next season, that
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: also could open up a fourth tackle spot for like
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: a develop a true developmental player that you take like
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: a Belton or a Grant that's not going to start
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: as a rookie probably but might have a future starter
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: upside that a year or two from now, you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: he could take over at right tackle, or if you know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: you end up not taking you know, Campbell or whatever
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: right like, you just have different options there.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: With that spot.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: So, uh, those are the tackles. That was most of
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: the conversation. There a couple of other tidbits just picking
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: up from some of the press conferences here Mike Rabel
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: came out and said they're drafting a running back like
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: he came out and said it, said it's something that
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: we'd like to do. One of my favorite parts, and
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I know it's the least talked about part of the
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: press conference for mister Kraft, but one of my favorite
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: parts about mister Krafts press conference was him off the cuff,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: just rattling off offensive line, receiver, and running back as
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: like three things he'd like to see the team do.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: I wonder who told him that, right, But even more specifically,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: mister Kraft said speed running back, speed running So I
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: wrote down a few names here that I think fit
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: that mold, right. Both, I think Ohio State guys are
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: speed running backs.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: In my mind, they're just good running backs, but they
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: can do everything.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: But I think they're speed guys like I think they have.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: They both have explosive gears, maybe Henderson more so than Judkins,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: but I think both of those guys are explosive dudes.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Dylan Samson from Tennessee is starting to make a lot
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: of a lot of arrows pointed.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: At Yeah that one.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, just really explosive, really good one cut ability.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: You just really dynamite running back. You know. In terms
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of that mold, he'd be complimentary to what Stevenson gives.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: He did, like it makes a lot of sense.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Twoton from Virginia Tech.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, speedback. I still worry about the fumbles.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he has a lot of fumbles, but uh he
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: has a ton of big plays on his tape, you know,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: a ton of big plays.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Uh r.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: J Harvey from UCF I think is another one.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's in that mold.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I kind of looked at Dylan Samson is like day two,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: and then R. J. Harvey is kind of like the
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: fourth round version of Dylan Samson. Jayden Blue from.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Texas another fumbles guy, but yeap just explosive.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: And Smith they give from s m U.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Smith Richard Smith converted receiver, another fast guy.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: So those are just a couple of names that I
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: came up with with speed running back. But you know,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: how happy are you to hear that they're they're all in.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: On the Yeah they should. I wonder if again, you know,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: is Robert Craft using speedback in that like third down
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: back sense or the Quinn Allen and Woody Mark still
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: in that conversation. But yeah, it makes sense because I've
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: said this for a long time. If you lessen the
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: workload on on I don't said Ashton genty on ramondre Stevens,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: and yeah, you're gonna get more out of him. I
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: think ramondre Stevens in like eighteen to twenty carries a
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: game is going to be overall a better player than
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: if he's hey, he's saving to touch the ball. Like
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty times a game. So one way
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you can do that do that is splitting by down.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: But the other thing is you put ramondre Stevenson him
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: in early. You let him give the body blows. You
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: let him I know you don't believe in this, but
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you let him wear down the defense and test them physically.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: And then when that defense is hoffing and puffing and
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: beat up, you put that track star in there and
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you let him loose. So maybe that's how they're gonna
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: break it up. I don't hate that if that is
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the plan. Dylan Sampson in that lightning right thunder and
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: lightning role, Yeah, I don't know that. Dylan Samson's somebody
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I want as a volume back. I just think the
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: way he runs, he's a sub back, right.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: He's not a receiving back, He's a sub back.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know how we always do that, all right,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Antoine Smith, Kevin Fogg, La Garrett Blunt, James White, and
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: then we always kind of have to put Dion Lewis
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: in that other third thing. Yeah, he's more and I'd
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: put Tooting in this as well, Tuttan in this as well.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: They're deon Lewis. They're in that third category. Uh uh
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: uh to Tennessee, we're just I just said his name,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: oh dy, Dylan Samson, thank you. I was gonna say Edwards.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Samson's much bigger than he's six foot I think, right.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's that tall.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I looked that up, but like he's that all right.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: He's gonna get ten carries a game, ten to twelve
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: carries a game. But we're gonna strategically place them where
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: we think the defense is worn't out, or we think
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: we have them biting on a look, and we're gonna
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: hit them with the setup off of that look where
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: he really is going to have a chance to break
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: something big. It's it's what raheem moster. It's been used
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: in that role in both San Francisco and Miami. That's
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: probably the most high profile I can think of a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: guy recently that's been used like that.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: So I have a I have a different different slight
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: different theory. Okay, same at different example. I should say, no,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: different theory. I'm with you on the theory. It's a
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: little David Montgomery, jimior Gibbs right like that that I think, Yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: in Detroit is right now is the pinnacle. That's the pinnacle.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Rb Damage Sampson's only five eight.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I didn't think he was that tall, but
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: he's uh, you know, two hundred pounds.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: Though.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: He's like, yeah NFL dot Com and I I said,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: this is a little lofty, but NFL dot Com comps
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: him to Brian Westbrook, which is obviously very lofty.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Brian Westbrook is a great, was a great. Does anybody
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: have a better collection of players named Brian than the
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: early two thousands evils?
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Brian Westbrook is lanser lines comp on NFL
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: dot Com for Dylan Samson. So that kind of gives
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: you an idea. Is he gonna be as good as
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Brian Westbrook? I don't know, but he gives you playing
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: style wise, it kind of gives you an idea of
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: what the guy plays like.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing though, is you look at
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: you know, in Detroit they have Montgomery's kind of that
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: you know between the tackles, sledgehammer type of back, and
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: then Jamier Gibbs is the big play guy, you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: with the speed obviously, so Trayvon Henderson I think it's
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: gonna go too early, Like I think you'd have to
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: take him at thirty eight, and I don't know if
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: they're prepared to do that. At running back, he's kind
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: of Jamior Gibbs light to me. Yeah, I don't think
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: he's quite as good as Jamior Gibbs or as explosive
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: as Jamior Gibbs. But he plays a real similar style
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: and moves similarly and is loose and fluid and all
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: that good stuff. But yeah, it's it's a it's coming.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Running backs coming at some point. Uh, mister Kraft's comments
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: with speedback would probably rule out Devin Neil.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Olie Gordon U, Damion Martinez.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like those types of guys, I'm not going to
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: but based off of that comment alone reading it.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: At Prize, they take two running backs in this draft.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: A little I mean maybe in like one of those
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: seventh round, That's what I'm saying.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But if they added like Dylan Sampson and then
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: went back later and got who are like the power
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: backs late, or if they even like Dylan Samson, like
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Donovan Edwards.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Well that's the thing though, is like if you look
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: at the at the backs and you know the late guys,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: like there's not a ton.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Oh what's his name from Clemson film MafA?
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah it could be him. But like when we
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: get late, like I'm thinking, you know, like you.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Know, like Quinn Allen, I want the Quinn Allen or
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: what and.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah what he marks? Like those guys aren't powerbacks though,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: those are receiving back right.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Well that's why I like, I wonder if that counts
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: as speed. No, I'm thinking, like do they if they
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: go with another back late? Let's say they take like
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: a guy like Tutt right or or one of these
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: faster backs, a guy like Raheem Sanders was the other
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: one who I couldn't think of, or or Phil MafA
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: or just one of the absolute bowling balls late in
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: the draft, rocket Sanders. Even a guy like Kyle Manongui
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: if he falls, who I think is quicker than people
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: give him credit, but he's still more. Probably he runs angry.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: That kid runs mean. Man. He learned a lot clearly
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: from watching Isaya Pacheco. I'm not good with names today,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, that one surprised me.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so that that's running backs. You're getting
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: your wish on that one. Well, last thing about the
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: running backs really quickly. I don't get the impression that
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: when Rabel talked about the running backs, who's talking about
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Ashton Genty. I could be wrong. Again, everything's on the table,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I'm sure, But every single time he's been asked about
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: the running back room, he's back to Romandrie Stevens.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: He talks about helping Stevenson, which is more of a
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: complimentary player. Yeah, they're drafting Ashton Genty at four to
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: be a complimentary back. That's not great.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Every time he talks about running backs, has been asked
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: about running backs, going all the way back to the combine,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Rabel has made a point to talk about the fumbling
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: with Stevenson and how they're going to fix that, Yeah,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: and how he feels confident they're going to fix it.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: He's gone even gone as far as as you know,
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: putting of the blame on the blocking and some of
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: you know, what was going on around him last year too,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: and people here like, well, it's not the running backs
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: fault that he fumbled, How is that true? Well, when
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: they got six guys hanging all over you and you're
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: and pulling at the ball all the time because you can't,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: you're always in a cloud of dust. You know, when
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: every single time he touched the ball. That's sort of
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: what Rabel's talking about when he says that, you know,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: it's not always the running backs fault when those types
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: of situations happen. So you're trying to break tackles, you're
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: trying to make plays, you got three guys hanging out,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: and you fumble the ball, right like that. That that's
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: what you know. He's kind of getting at there. So
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: every time he has the opportunity to back Stevenson, he does.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: He also get back to Antonio Gibson in this answer
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: a little bit as well. So if they were truly
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: thinking about adding a volume back, like adding a guy
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: that was going to be the feature back in the backfield,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: like an Ashton Genty, I just don't feel like they
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: would be so complimentary. The guy's already on the team.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I'm with you, Yeah, So going next one here, he
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: was asked about Tyler and I was kind of talking
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: to you about this before.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I I love.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Tight ends, but not as much as Mike Vrabel in
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: the first round. I will fully admit that I've been
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: burned in the past by tight ends early in the draft.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: And I have a list and I'm gonna get to
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: my list in a second. But I have become a
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: little big gun shy when it comes to tight ends.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Like I still believe Kyle Pitts is going to break out.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: I just for me, it wasn't even so much Kyle
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: pits I was a huge TJ.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Hockinson guy.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I thought TJ. Hockinson was going to be a really
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: good player in the league. And when I say really good,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: he's a solid player, but I mean like he was
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: going to be a Brock Powers was. Yeah, like you know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: a legitimate, you know, needle moving tight end.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: He's not that.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Ever since then, I've been wary of drafting tight ends early.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: So here's my list I sent this to this morning.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: So these are the tight ends in the last let's
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: call it ten or so drafts that were drafted in
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: the first round. And a couple of these guys were
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: raft to top ten. I want you to tell me
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: if you think that they were just last ten years
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: last ten years or so, I think I might have
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: gone a little bit further than ten.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Brock Bowers, Yeah so far. Dalton Kinkaid, Bills don't really
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: use him right. I don't know how much. It's his fault,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: but I don't think he's lived up to that. You know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I was never a kN K guy, not as a
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: slot receiver certainly Kyle Pitts. Yeah, how much time to
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: you have on Kyle Pitts.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: So Kyle pit is a fourth overall pick. He should
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: not have been a fourth overall pick, exact same draft slot.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: The Falcons did not use him correctly. That hurt, but
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: he has also shown some shortcomings he shouldn't have been
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: picked for. So the interesting thing about Kyle Pitts is
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: that he had a great rookie year, Yeah, thousand yards
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: pro bowler, a great rookie season, and then never stopped
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: ever since then. It was literally the biggest drop off
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: you could ever.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is one of the biggest nature versu nurture
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: players there is. To me, Tjack TJ. Howkinson, I still
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: think he's first round pick. Like he's worked and he
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: was taken late right later. No eighth overall, eighth overall.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: He's a good player. I not worth the eighth overall
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: in this draft if you end up with the player
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: of that quality he did, Okay, no offense I like
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: no offense. I don't know that again, another guy that
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: is a good player. Was he worth where he went
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: in the draft? Probably not, but like he's a solid
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: starting NFL tight end. No, not worth it, he's worth
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: the first round pick, but like he's a he's a
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: good yeah, fine player. Yeah. I don't want to get
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: myself in trouble like I did last time we did
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: this exercise.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Hayden Hurst he.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Had like that one year, right, was it in Yeah, Baltimore,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Atlanta he was in saying no, he's not first round talent,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: but he had that one year where he was in Carolina,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: So I have to think it was that.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: I have to fact check myself on this.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even remember hayden Hurst was a first
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: round pick.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: If I remember correctly, hayden Hurst was older when he
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: came into the league.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: He was in the twenty eighteen draft. He's thirty one now, so.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: He was twenty five as a rookie. Okay, so much
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: older than Warren's gonna be twenty three. He's not gonna
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: be twenty five, but still an older breakout player. First
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: round pick at tight end O. J.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Howard. No, And I liked Jay Howard, But when you
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: don't have Clemson forgetting to cover him in the National Championship.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: He's not Jay Howard got drafted on one play.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: You got drafted in the first round one that whole
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: game Championship, I know, but it was the one wide
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: open touch.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Because Clem's in that entire game, said what if we
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: just don't cover O. J. Howard? And they made him.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I remember I liked OJ Howard that year and I
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: didn't think he was a first round pick, but I
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: thought he was like relatively slept on. And then he
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: had that game and everybody started putting him the first round,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: like Okay, hang on, now we've gone too far the
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: other way. He was wide open, No, he's not. Also,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: hayden Hurst breakout year, I remember it being a bigger dealer.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I remember people freaking out because like Baltimore moved on
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: for him. After two years, they traded him and then
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: he went to Land and I remember being like, wow,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: what a trade by the Falcons. Fifty six catches for
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: five hundred and eighty yards and six touchdowns. That's fine. No,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst is not worth a first round pick, but
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: they couldn't make Kyle Pitts work, so they just in Atlanta. O. J.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Howard Hard No, No, I'm having fun with this, though.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: We should do this more often.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Evan Ingram.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I mean he figured out in Jacksonville, but the Giants
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: watched that bad up and down career. A lot of
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: these are like teams could not figure out how to.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: This goes back to you're na cut in for a second.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: No, because you're gonna make my points. So just okay,
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: let me finish the list and then we can David.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: And Joku another guy that I see what you're building towards.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I don't want to give your take. He was not
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: initially worth a first round pick. He's been really good
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: the last couple years.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: He's been better the last few years. I agree with that.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: That Stefanski offense has definitely helped him. Yeah, a good
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: year in twenty three, eight hundred and eighty two yards,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: eighty one catches, six touchdowns, made the Pro Bowl, so
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: you know has had years.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Worth the first round pick, I'd say in Joko is
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: probably worth it.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but not not a game change and he went
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: high too, right Yeah, yeah, no, not a game not
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: a top twenty pick. He went twenty ninth overall.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: So not too high.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: That's fine. I'm okay with that. I remember that was
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: like a weaker tight end draft.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: I had to go a little bit further back, I
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: think because I had to include this one, Eric Ebron, No.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Tenth overall. Yeah, that was Eric Ebron.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I can't defend that one at all.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: And then the last one I had on here I
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: think was one I think maybe yeah around thirteen or fourteen,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: fifteen years now, Tyler Iivert.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: He was fine, got hurt. He probably went too high
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: where he went. Yeah, he was hurt a lot.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: So here's my point. When I look at this list.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: The one guy that I look at this list and
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: I say that is a game changer, like that is
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: a absolute stud, blue chip whatever you want to call it,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: is Bowers.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: And that's only one year. That's only off one year.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Not that I think he's gonna regre.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: That's only off one year. Like you said, I think TJ.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Hockinson is a nice player.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: In this draft, specifically, if they came away with the
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: player who like equals the impact t J. Hawkinson makes, fine,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I I yeah, that that's passable. That's a passing grade.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Would I generally a bad what I generally feel about
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: this list. I'm gonna call it. There's eleven names on
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: the list. I think we're at maybe two that truly
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: were worth the pick and panned out. Yeah, And the
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: point I'm getting out with Tyler Warren, it is not
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: a good history for tight ends in the first round.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just not what I want to add to
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: that though. Tight end historically across the board at any round. Yeah,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: like brock Bowers is such an anomaly because that's the
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: outside of maybe quarterback. That's the position that takes the
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: longs to develop. A lot of those guys we talked
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: about Evan Ingram, Hayden Hurst for a flash there. Who
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: are some of the other guys You have to remind me,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: butku like they started to play like first round talents,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't until three, four or five years in
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: and some Dotkinson too. Some of them had to change
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: teams to do it. So that's another thing about that position,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Like if you draft a tight end, you have to
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: be patient because tight ends it's a lost art in
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: the college game. Teams outside of Tyler Warren, teams don't
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: use tight ends. They don't throw to tight ends. When
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: they do it's generally a pretty limited routree, pretty limited
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: sample size. Teams are not creative with the tight end
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: position in college, whereas in the NFL right now, the
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: tight end is as multiple a position as it's ever been.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: That's why part of the reason why me and I
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: think some other people are so high on Tyler Warren.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: He's one of the few guys in recent years, not
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: just this year, that played tight end in college the
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: way he's going to play the position in the NFL.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: That doesn't really happen. So if you draft a tight end,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: you have to be willing to be patient and understand
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: you might not get that impact year one. Brock Bauers
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: is an anomaly. To just bring this back to the
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Patriots and I don't know, this is kind of a
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: side point to your point. This is why they should
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: draft a tight end this year because Hunter Henry and
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Austin Hooper have that position held down right now. Tight
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: end is going to be a need in two or
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: three years. I'd rather get that guy in the building
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: now and start that development process now, because if you
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: try to take that guy and make him an instant starter,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the history is a tight end. Even if he pans
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: out down the road. It's not gonna happen right away. Now,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: you don't need to make that pick at four. You
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: can get that.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Guy Gunner Helm Terrence Fergus right.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: So, well, this is where to go back to Vrabel
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: the way he talked about it. How many tight ends
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: can we play it once and want to be multiple?
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I kind of wrote it off. That's short of blocking.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: There weren't going to be a ton of snaps available
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: for a rookie tight end in New England. And to me,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: unless you're going to take a right tackle to step
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: in for Morgan Moses, your picks at four, thirty eight,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: sixty nine, and seventy seven, those are guys that need
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: to be playing this year. They need to be playing
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: at least a regular rotational role, if not more. Is
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: a If you take Mason Taylor, it's seventy seven, Yeah,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: how much is he really going to play? Well? Hearing
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Vrabel talk, maybe there are gonna be some more thirteen sets.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe there are gonna be some opportunities for that guy
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: to play over you know this all pending injury to
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: play over Austin Hooper. So yeah, I'm more open to
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the idea of taking a tight end higher now because
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I think there's more snaps available than I previously thought
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: for still still very rich, but it's it's a double
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: edged sword. I think they should draft a tight end
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: this year, but I think you're drafting one knowing he's
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: not going to play a ton are there? You know
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: what these higher picks should we be drafting guys that
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: are gonna play more? So my other part of this
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: take yeah, but does that fit in with your list
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: that like it's a later breakout position.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lader breakout position.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: It takes.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: It's a steep learning curve coming into the league. You
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: broke it down pretty well. Basically. On top of that,
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: it's a mental hurdle because you have to be in
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: the run game and in the past game. You have
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: a featured role in both phases of the game. Whereas
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: a receiver, if you're blocking out on the perimeter, you
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: kind of just go about your day. Yeah, tight end,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: you have to know your run blocking assignments. You need
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: to know the playbook on the run side, and you
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: know the playbook in the past. You need to know
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: pass protection right because you might be in the protection sometimes,
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: so you have to know all these different elements to
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: be able to play a high volume role as a rookie.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: The other element of it too, that I would just say,
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: with specifically to Warren that has me a little bit
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: concerned about him individually. I have also been burned by
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: the well rounded tight end, right, the guy that is versatile,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: that does it all well.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: It's more than just well rounded, though.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: But Hockinson was that way. Hockinson was well a well
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: rounded tight end. He came in and you said, he
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: can block, he can catch the ball, he can line
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: up everywhere like this is this is a NFL. You know,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: that's what we want in the NFL. Right, That kind
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: of tight end a lesser version of these two players,
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: but simply like Michael Mayer. I was huge on Michael
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Mayer coming out, same sort of.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Thing Michael Mahy and Michael Mayer was always an in
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: line tight end. I remember talking about this. Nobody was
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: ever trying to play Michael Mayer on the outside, No.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: But my point being is that he was. He could
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: block and he could catch pass. Oh yeah, he was
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: this well rounded guy. What we've seen I think with
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: the tight end position, specifically over the last couple of years.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Is that the guys that are are hitting are truly
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: receivers Sam Laporta, brock Bowers, right, like guys that are explosive,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: dynamite receivers. I would say Warren's a really good receiver.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: He's a really good player. I don't know if I
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: see a gear that brock Bowers brings to the table
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: in terms of his explosiveness.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: And he's not brock Powers. He's not, and people gonna
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: want to be because it's copycat league and you're drafting him.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Four overall, so he should be a guy that comes
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: in and has eleven.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I would think you'd be more worried about him being
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: a late breakout player.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: I'm a little bit concerned about that too.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: That's on the list. He's a very even as late
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: breakout players go, he's late.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's definitely part of the concern. But I
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: just look at his receiving tape and it's a lot
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: of I'm just bigger, stronger than you, and I'm just
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: gonna muscle you off the ball, right, I'm gonna push
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: you out of the way, and I'm gonna get targeted
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: on this context like he had that catch Uh, I
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: think it's against Texas or the guy's like draping all
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: over him and he just you know, caught it through
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: the contact. It's like that's a great catch. But the
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: coverage is he's wearing coverage right, like the guy's on
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: his back, like it's just tight coverage. So I just
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: I look at these tight ends now a little bit
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: differently because I've been burning the past. I'm not trying
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: to crap all over Tyler Warren. I know that's how
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: it's gonna come across. I just I really we're just
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: crapping on tight ends as a whole. But four overall
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: is just too rich for me. It's just too rich
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: for me for that kind of player.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: I think I would be more inclined if it was
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: like Brock Bowers two point zero. Now, Colson Lovelin's probably
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: the closest thing to that, but he had the you know,
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: the injury and the lack of sample size and all
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: that stuff, so he wasn't even quite Bronck powers either.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: But that's Tyler Warren. I just don't see it happening.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: I don't see the alignment. We're talking about need value,
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: you know, all that kind of stuff sort of aligning
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: for them to make a pick at four. Overall, I
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: just don't necessarily see it with Tyler Warrent being the
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: best option there as they're talking about it on your station.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say I looked up. This is all
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I can bertrand for either showing Tyler world.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: He's a great player.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: That's a good block right there.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: I highlighted that block when we did the thing, did our.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Breakdown some breakaway speed.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: He's a very good player. I just I worry about
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: the history of tight ends. I worry about his age.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: I just worry about a lot of those different types
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: of things. I'm not saying he's not gonna be good
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. I'm just saying I don't think he's
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: the right pick for the page.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Worried about his floor. I actually feel pretty good he's
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: gonna be good player in the NFL. I just don't
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: know he's gonna be a great player in the NFL.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: That's where I like, I think, how much better is
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: and he's good, he's good. Is he gonna get much
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: better than he is right now? That's what I wonder.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: When he is right now is a solid starting tight end? Yeah,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: and he's actually a guy that might be immune to
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: that whole late breakout thing for tight ends because he's older.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: But that's where I'm like, just get a guy later,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: red shirt him for a year, not really red shirtum,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: let him play. And then that's why I think like
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: a guy like Mitchell Evans makes so much sense on
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: early on day three because if they removed from the
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: injury right, if they drafted Mitchell Evans, even is he
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: their best blocking tight end? The second he steps on.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: The field, he'd be a good tight end.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he's gonna have a role year one blocking
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: and then he's gonna get to grow and learn from
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: two great receiving tight ends and two great guys to
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: learn from veterans in Henry and Austin Hooper. And then
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: in a year or two when it's time to turn
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: the position over, he's already been playing and he has
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: some experience and now you get him full go. Like
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: that is such a perfect development plan to me, Mitchell Evans,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: like that really is? There's other guys I like to
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I would just say that's the guy I really want
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: for them.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that pick too. On day three, I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: wonder where exactly gunner Helm falls in this draft. I
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: know that he has reasons for why he ran so
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: poorly with the He had like an ankle thing to.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Stop doing that. Kishan did stop running the forty on
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: spring ankle.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: But but I just wonder it's a deep class. There's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of defensive talent in the in the class
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: two running back talent going to push some of these
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: guys down potentially, like if gunner Helm were to fall
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: to the fourth round, like I definitely would entertain.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: That he's another late breakout guy.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Well, he had Jatavian Sanders in front of him at Texas.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: That's the one where I got burned a tight end.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I thought Jatavian Sanders is gonna be sick.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he was a good player.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Where are you at just well, we're on tight ends? Yeah,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: where are you at with Bryson Nesbit? We there has
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: not been nearly as much bryceon seventh round, Like you
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: think he's at low.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't run very well. Uh, he's kind of
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: a finesse player, but he's got a great report with
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Drake may Uh, he's a seam runner, like I think
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: he still can do that sort of thing good red
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: zone feel to him as well. On that Drake may tape.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: So I think that he's potentially an NFL player. I
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: just wouldn't use it a super high draft pick where
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: he was also really light.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you one more, where are you
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: at with Ronde Gadson? I reminder where he went to
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: school Syracuse. I haven't watched him yet. I still have
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: to do some of those deeper tight ends. A couple
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: of the guys that stood out to me though, the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: kid from Alabama and Block, c J. Drip. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: he's not bad. Yeah, but you know who I want.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's a he's a true blocking ping in,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: but he can block.
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  Speaker 1: I think if they're gonna go true blocking tight end.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: So Drip's like a sixth, seventh round pick. Yeah, you
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: have all those sevens, you know, can you move up
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit or maybe you move down you end
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: up with a pick in the fifth I like Jackson
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Hawes in Georgia Tech. That kid's mean. That kid's a bully.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: He uh from Clemson. Dwayne Allen. Yeah, Like, I don't
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: know how they might throw them the ball. He might
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: be here four years. They might throw the ball five times. Yeah,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: but he's going to contribute in a run game. I'll
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: tell you that much right now. You should watch Gadson.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: He's an he converted wide receiver, very fascinating player. He
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: can do some more things than Nesbit, but he also
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: does some of the things Nesbit does well well. So
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: if the Patriots want to get Drake may a player
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: like Nesbit who he succeeded with, but maybe they're not
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: sold on Nesbit, I wonder for er Andy Gatzon could
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: be that guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have to get to some of the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: deeper tight ends. I've been doing some defense positions that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: I haven't done, which we can talk about here in
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: the second hour some recent zy biased guys with that.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Just really quickly. I know that I want to get
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: to the emails and the calls, so a couple of
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: other things real fast. Christian Barmore sounds like trending in
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: the right direction at this point, and nothing against Christian
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: barmoer whatsoever. This is a hope for the best, expect
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: the worst kind of thing to me. If he's there,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: fantastic for the worst, Yeah what I say, expect, Oh
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: prepare sorry if he's there, fantastic, But I do think
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: they need to add a player, not the first round necessarily,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: but a player like him that can fill that role
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: in case he's not.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a go or at least a full go.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thats a with bar More. I think that was
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: my list. You know, Travis Hunters, they talked obviously about
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: him a little.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Bit, but I have a thought on Vrabel and Wolf
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: both talked about Hunter Wolf did with k Adams. Yeah,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: and I love the development plan that they laid out,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: and it's what I've kind of talked about. And Vrabel
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: went a little bit further than Wolf didn't talking about it,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: but mentioned him majoring in one position minory in another,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: and also said that there's certain details at either position
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: that he is really going to have to hone to
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: hit his ceiling at the NFL level. It doesn't mean
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: it's a bad player, but it's just he's never fully
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: focused on one of these positions before. If you allow
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: him to do that and let him get where he
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: needs to be at one position, which in New England
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: should be wide receiver, and then once you feel comfortable
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: where he's at there, whether it's in six months, a year,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: or two years, then you start to add in the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: defensive stuff or the other whatever, River is the other
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: side of the ball, Like that's how they should do it.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: I and Wolf talked about that as well. I love
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: the development plan and they laid out for Travis Hunter.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Hypothetical obviously, but I mean, if they're gonna take him,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: it seems like, Okay, here we go, this is the blueprint.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: And I think that's have I not been talking about
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: that since like October? Yeah, that that's exactly how they
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: chandled it. So loved, loved what they said about Travis Hunter. Yeah,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: I agree with all that.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: Some quarterback rumors, Aaron Rodgers to Pittsburgh sounds like a
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: done deal. There's kind of timing and contract negotiation and
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: all that time.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Apparently he's like set to be on McAfee next week
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I think, or not that McAfee's doing a show in
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh or something like it's gonna get announced uff.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's so waiting for Yeah, it feels like
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: that is coming. It also feels like unless Cleveland does
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: draft Shador Sanders, that Kirk Cousins to Cleveland sounds like
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: you think it's in that order. I think that he
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: wants to not get Michael Pennix again and is trying
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: to avoid that situation repeating itself. So my guess is
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: that Kirk Cousins waits till after the draft to pick
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: his destination, and whoever is left without a chair in
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: the quarterback musical chairs, we'll get Kirk Cousins, would be
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: my guess.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: But we'll see about that.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: And then your boy Joe Milton in the rumors a
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: little bit so some more Joe Milton still, I think
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: is mass live their duo there Mart Daniels and Karen
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: reporting that there have been calls or have been offers
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: for Joe Milton, and I think the biggest thing to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: me with Joe Milton, I've been consistent on this. I
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: wouldn't trade himunless it's for a Day two pick. If
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: you get blown away with an offer second third round pick,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: I would take it. The only reason why I would
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: trade him. And I didn't read the full story, so
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: if this is misquoting, I apologize, But what I the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: excerpt that I saw mentioned that Joe Milton might want
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: to be someplace where he has more.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Of a path to the start. I don't think that
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: was like so much immediately demanding a trade as it was.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Not immediately demanding a trade.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Eventually he won, Like he knows he's not gonna be
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: the starting back here.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: I do wonder how much for Vrabel, who's big on culture,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: big on the energy of the room, all that kind
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: of stuff, Josh Dobbs has no expectations whatsoever of being
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: a starter. He's a veteran backup quarterback, exactly what you want,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: you know, for a young QB. I wonder if maybe
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: they get to the point where they feel like there's
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: a little bit too much tension there. Well, I also want,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: like know Max Zones Bailey's and we talked.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: About this during the draft, and you would talk to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: people in Tennessee about this, how great Joe Milton is
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: in these situations. And he had the one game against Buffalo,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: but he went through this in Tennessee where he was
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: supposed to be the starter, got beat out by Hendon Hooker,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: and he was incredibly supportive of Hendon Hooker throughout all that. So,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: like he seems character wized like a guy Mike Rabe
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: would want around. Yeah, has that changed in a year? Maybe?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: But is it? Hey just give us like we're gonna
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: give you a chance but just give us time to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: find the right you know, the right deal. Somebody has
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: a quarterback at hurting camp. Maybe somebody doesn't get the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: quarterback they want the draft, they don't get cousins. They
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be in a rush. You're not trading Joe Milton
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: just to trade Joe Milton. Should be trading Joe Milton
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: because somebody makes it worth your while, or because he
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: puts too much pressure on you that you have to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: do it all right.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Very last thing, and this one's kind of tongue in cheek.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, my guy, the head coach of the Chicago Bears,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: a head coach in the NFL mentioning EPA, Alex, how
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: did that make you feel watching Ben Johnson give an
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: honest answer about how the most important stat in football
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: is expected points added? What do you have a care
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: to comment on this? Because you always told me that
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: nobody in the league actually uses EPA.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't say that, and I said they'd be wrong
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: to I now a head coaches, I never said nobody
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: use it.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: Now a head coach in the NFL at the league
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: meetings is saying that the most important stat in football
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: is expected points added on pass attempts. Passing EPA is
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: the most important. You win eighty percent of the games.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: The team with the higher passing EPA wins eighty percent
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: of the time. So everybody's goal should be passing efficiency.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: That doesn't Let's make sure everybody understands. That doesn't mean
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: passing volume. There's a difference. It doesn't mean throw it
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: fifty times, right, it means so how many of those
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: teams efficient passing team?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: What was the Patriots EPA when they threw the ball?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Passing EPA when they threw the ball three times and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: beat the Bills in Buffalo? Wasn't good? It wasn't no.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: So that was a they had who had what one completion?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: How it had been good?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know how this made up stat works. You
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: tell me when it's on the scoreboard, and I'll tell
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: you that it matters, okay, And I hope Bears fans
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: are ready some of the time. I hope Bears fans
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: are ready for the inevitable. They lose a big game
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: and heartbreaking fashion, and Ben Johnson gets asked, what you
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: know we would have changed, and he says, well, you know,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: our EPA was good, so we just need to keep
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: doing it that way. Well, if it's a playoff game,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: you don't get to keep it that way because your
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: season's over. The only coach who can get away with
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: that technique, there's one coach that answers questions that way. Pee,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: there's one question, love it. There's one coach that you're
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: gonna like this. There's one coach that answers questions that
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: way can get away with it, and that's Joe Mizzula.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: When he goes up there when the Celtics looms and says, well,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: you know, we we liked our looks, so we'll just
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: keep Well, he also has like the Bears aren't exactly
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: the Celtics roster wise.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know if it's going to be successful.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: I don't like, I don't know if Ben John's going
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: to have the talent. I don't know if they're going
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: to you're to your point, like, I don't know if
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: he's going to be successful in Chicago. But the exact
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: name I was going to bring up, I was going
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: to cross sports and I was going to bring up
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Joe Mizzula, who is a big believer and expected outcomes
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: right like in terms of you know, shots.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Joe Mizzoola is also a big believer in having two
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: of the top what ten players in the league on
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: his roster.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing. All I'm telling you is is that
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: these people believe you can.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Make any philosophy work with Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, christops Porz,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Drew Holiday. I'm leaving get there at big Al Chris
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I said, I thought, I said them. All I am
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: telling you is that we live in We live in
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: an expected kid get the starting center. We live in
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: an expected world right now?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: We expected?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: We don't. We live in reality. We live in the world.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: That was loud. We live in the reality world. That's
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: the whole point. There, you go. We don't live in
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: the expected world. We live in the reality world. Did
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: you win the game or not? Did the shot go
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: in or not? Did you complete the paths or not?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: You can't sit there under the game that you lose
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: and say, well, no, that pass a corner of the math.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: That pass should have been completed, so we're fine it wasn't.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Why figure it out. Fixes. Don't just say the numbers
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: will fix themselves, because it's so ridiculous. It's not ridiculous.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Everything in the closet.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: If you expect stick to your process right, and you
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: do what you know, you do it over and over again,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: and you stick to it and you're consistent with it.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: The whole point of it is is that eventually, if
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: you are shooting a bunch of threes, but a bunch
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: of them are open, they will eventually go in. And
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: if you have good shooters, Yeah, one night one.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: Of half night shooters is a big if.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: But one off night in March might happen. Well, actually
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: one every game in March, but one off night in
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: January or might happen right, But over the course of
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: a season and over a course of a playoff run,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: you will win the vast majority of your game.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: What happens when and we've seen the thunder do this
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: to the Celtics. What happens when somebody figures out a
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: way to counter that x's and o's I agree, you can't.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I agree. A lot of these guys don't pivot. And
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: that's what my problem is. If if if they figure
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: out a way to counter what he's doing, because now
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have Pinay soul, and he doesn't have that's
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: different Brown, that's personnel, But he doesn't. This is you
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: can't go up there after a loss and say, well,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: our EPA was good, so we feel good about what
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: we did. What happens when the vikings right, No, Brian
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: bran Flores get hired. Why can't I remember he's the
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: defensive cod What happens when Brian Floores, who's like an
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: actual good football coach, goes up there and comes up
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: with the scheme that counters the strategy? Yeah, I know
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: you are the strategy that Ben Johnson thinks is a
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: good EPA. Okay, But what happens when you're really going
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: to just go up there and be like, well, no,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: the EPA still works. We're not going to change anything.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: So the difference is in this scenario with football specifically,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: I think makes it different than basketball. Basketball there are
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: situations high leverage situations too at the end of games,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: but truly over the course of four quarters, it's really
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: not until the very end of the game that it's
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: a high leverage situation when it's close.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: In the regular season, on the playoff playoffs.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: I would say in football it's different because you have
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: third and fourth downout the game or high leverage situations.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: I think what happened with the Lions is that they
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: were so aggressive on for down to a fault, especially
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: two years ago in the NFC Championship game. So that's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: that's your argument, right, It's can those guys when situation
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: comes down to it and Kyle Shanahan has a ten
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: point lead in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: can they close it out?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: Can they call the game to close it out? But
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: the point that that Ben Johnson was making is really
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: nothing different than what Mike Rabel said in his introductory
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: press conference, and that's why I wanted to make sure
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: it was clear. We're not talking about volume of passers.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: We're talking about having an efficient passing game.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Efficient like you shouldn't eed math.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: If you want to measure that by e PA, you
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: want to measure that by passer rating, like passer rating differential,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: like what you give up and what you you know,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: score in terms of passer rating on offense is also
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: a very indicative stat of winning. But what I like
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: so much about what he said the most, and it's
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: gonna go right up. I'm so excited to tell you this.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: The most exciting part about it was that he said
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: that pass EPA has overcome or surpassed, I should say
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: an importance turnover differential, which I am just in love
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: with that line. That is a fantastic, fantastic thing to
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: hear an NFL head coach actually know the numbers and
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: know that this is the facts of the matter right
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: now in the league. So all turnovers are bad. No
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: one wants to turn the ball over. No one's advocating
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: for turn the ball over. But if you're holding back
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: to you know, protect the football and you know, run
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: clock and control the game and YadA ya, if you're
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: doing all that stuff to a detriment of your passing game,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: then you were also not going to be successful doing that.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: So I just I loved it.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: I loved every second of that answer from Ben Johnson.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: I also knew it was gonna get you riled up,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: so I had to bring it up.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: But that was cool.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: It was cool to hear a head coach in the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: NFL talk like that. Whether you like it or not,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: is a total side.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens when they're negative in the turnover
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: margin halfway through the season out of a playoff spot.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: If you're still talking about that, we'll leave the ep
• 1:15:00
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  Speaker 3: but I had to get that Ben Johnson thing in
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: there just to rile Alex up. Patty is an ago on.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: What's up? Patty? Patty?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: Patty? Are you still thereat?
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: Go ahead?
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: Patty?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: All right? What's up?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: Good?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: So I want to cover a few things. I'll go
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: quick so you can see the out of collars. First thing,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if Mike Brabel when they're
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: having this voluntary workout, what is it the seventh I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: think yes, he is a very close eye on who's
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: paying attention, who's working hard. And it's subsequently like if
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: we see them take two receivers in the draft, I
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: think that's probably a good indication that like one or
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: two of the receivers wasn't taken the voluntary program too. Seriously,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's just something that that popped inside
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: my feeble head, you know. The second thing I want
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: to do, and then I'll end with the question for
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: you guys. I'm going to give you guys a list
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: of four names, and I want you to tell me
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: not likely, likely, or extremely likely that the Patriots would
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: draft these guys. The first one, Jack Sawyer.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Likely, Yeah, I'd agree with that. On the list.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Second one, Cody Simon.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: He's gonna get drafted. I don't know. I can see
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: his Patriots at lineback from Ohio State.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't heard much buzz about him getting drafted.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: He I could see them being interested either late or
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: is he UDFA I could see them being interested in him,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: right the lineback from Ohio State, that's what you're talking about.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, he kind of fits their mold smaller.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: I think he six but one five Yeah, yeah, was
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: the MVC defensive MVP of the National Championship Game and
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: plus the Ohio State ties. I think it makes sense.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe at that tick two thirty eight, or like you said,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: maybe he goes undrafted and they they bring him in.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Last two guys, yep, Drew Kendall likely, very likely.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of u of Drew Kendall hype
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, becoming a popular name. Thanks for the colle had
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: more fourth guy come off last week too. I'm sorry,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, all right, Yeah, don't hang up on me
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: because I do have a question after Okay, the last one.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, same thing, likely.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: All right? Yeah, I would love Drew Kendall to be
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: our future center. I would love to see him get
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: taken this year. So the question is, will Campbell is
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: the pick at number four? They're gonna pick a wide
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: receiver with the second pick, whether it be trade up,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: both of you guys, give me your ideal guy, and
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: I'll take it.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Off the air to trade up from the second round.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: So I'll give you two yeah, or just to I
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: think he meane like if they take Campbell as the
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: next pick, either trade up or staying at thirty eight. Yeah,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: if they trade up, it's Matthew Golden. I don't even
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: know is Golden going to go where they can realistically
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: get up to I.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: Have a take on gold It doesn't sound like it.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, So then, honestly, you know, I'm kind of starting
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: to like a little bit more. I think I think
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: stay at thirty eight and get him. You might have
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: to move up like within the second round. Can they
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: do the inverse of the trade they made with the
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Chargers last year to get up from like thirty eight
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: to thirty three or thirty four? Is Elik a Omanner
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: from Stanford? Yeah, I kind of come around on him
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Is like there's something there. I don't
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I don't put him in the same tier as like
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Golden or Ibuka or Burden. But if they're gonna stay
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: at thirty eight, and those are those guys all go
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: in the first round and they're gonna trade up a
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: little bit in the second, you know, Trey Harris is
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: in there too, but I think a manner of a
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: little more juice in his game, Like I think his
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: upside it's a little higher. I wouldn't hate them taking
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: that shot.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was it.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't want to cut you off.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: Thank thanks, Patty thinks I got call as always really
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: quickly on on your manner since you brought him up. Yeah,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: I actually really liked his tape when I watched it. Yeah,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: and then you kind of dig into some of you know,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: the separation metrics and some of the contested catch starts
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: with all that, it's his His separation is not great,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: it's not high end. But what I really liked about
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: him was his release and you know, his uh, his
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: acceleration after the release, like he's got a little bit
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: of that down gear to him where he can get vertical.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: Had tap against Travis Hunter a couple of years ago,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: probably the best tape that anybody's had against cornerback Travis Hunter.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: Him ortet, you know, really good, and so I I
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: really liked him. It doesn't sound like it sounds like
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: we're kind of in the minority on him a little bit,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: like I feel like he's kind of cooled. Yeah, to
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: maybe like a third round guy, fourth round guys. So yeah,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: I think a little bit.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I mean they can get him there, great, awesome.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: But I think the main reason for that is just
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: some of the separation stuff. Doesn't love him. But we'll see, uh,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: you know what, what the case may be there. He's
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: also not like totally like he's kind of new to football.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: I remember talking to him at the Combine about this.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: I think he's Canadian, I want to say. And I
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: think like hockey was a potential path for him for
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: a while and then he decided to focus on football.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: I believe that I have that story right, So I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: think that there that was a piece of it.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: I don't taking a shot on a guy like that.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: No, I think he's got really good film. They a
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: player that I compared him to a little bit. Just
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: when I say this name, everybody thinks of the Patriots version,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: think of the Pittsburgh version of Juju Smith Schuster. Yeah,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: old Juju Smith Schuster. All right, I just say young
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: Juju Smith.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: He went a man, went high school in mass Jesses.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: He was a deep deerfield academy. How totally missed that.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's a that's like, you know, one of
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: the three good football programs in Massa.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Chusets high school football.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: All right, Tim is in Seattle. It's up, Tim, Hey.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 7: I was gone, guys. Hey, So I was hoping that
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: one or both of you could kind of touch on
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 7: Ariante Erstrie and sort of his performance against you know,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 7: elite defensive ends at the left tackle position, if you know,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: obviously I do Carter being the most recent or relevant
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 7: I guess in this draft, and then kind of compare
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 7: that to some of the top end talents that Campbell's
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: facing the SCC and you know what the gap is
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: between those two players based on the tape of the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 7: last couple of years.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, thanks for the college. Thanks thanks for the
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: call to him. You're bigger story guy. Yes, he's your
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: type of player. Yep, big dude, yep, big guy block people.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Well, but he's he's really athletic too. He's not like
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: he's not Holling Pears, who's just big.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So like he's also really athletic. He's really athletic.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: He was on who does the Freaks List? Is it
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: Brugler does the Freaks List?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: No, it's uh Bruce Felman.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't know, Bruce Flman every year does
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: like the College Football Freaks List, and it's exactly what
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: it sounds like, the guys that are like insane athletes.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: I think he was on it twice, so, uh, he's
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: a I see a lot of really good movement in
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: the run game with him. I think there's a little
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: bit of ways to go there. In pass protection, I
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: have some concerns about you know, pad level, hand places,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: man strike timing thing, you know, just like technical stuff.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: He balks high like he's kind of like one of
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: these guys that comes over like this and like blocks up.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know Trent Brown, Yeah, like Trent Brown Orlando Brown,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: like those bigger tackles that aren't exactly nimble but are
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: really hard to go right through and you know, have
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: enough of a kick out of their stands. I think
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: that's probably where his athleticism and pass protection shows up
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: the most, is he's, uh, he kicks out of his
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: stands really nicely.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: If you if you watch him against Carter, Carter keeps
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: just trying to get deep on him. He's just trying
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: to go straight up field and the end and he's
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: able to stay with Carter a lot in that game
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: going back with them until eventually Carter realized it wasn't
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: gonna work. But like, that's not for guy that size
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: to move backwards like that. Yeah, No, he's not easy.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: He's got a good kick kick out of his stands,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: like he gets some real uh covers a lot of
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: ground there, which makes the guy go around, you know,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: further away from the quarterback and keeps that leverage. I
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: would just say, you know, there's a couple of times
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: on film where he lets guys into his chest. He
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: should not be getting bull rushed. Yeah, at that size,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: he does get bull rushed on occasion. And his redirect
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: like his ability to change directions and slide his feet
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: isn't great, isn't high end. I wouldn't say, but he's
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: a great run blocker. He's a punishing run blocker, A
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: kind of a weapon, honestly in that area, like Minnesota
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: would move him around like they'd play him in some
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: unbalanced lines and move him to the right side, like
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: goal line and things like that and just run right
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: behind nurserie just to get you know, punch the ball in.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: I like his tap a lot. I just don't know
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: if he's going to be a great pass protector in
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: the league. He's probably gonna be one of those guys
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: that's a really good run blocker and just an adequate
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: pass protector.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: He is probably like in an ideal world, I think
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: he'd be a right tackle. Yeah, but he's a guy
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: that I would give a shot at left tackle. And
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: if that doesn't work, he moved him over for Morgan Moses.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he's got some tremendous tools. You
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: give him to Doug Marone. I do think that there's
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: a like he could be. He's not going to be
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, but he can be starting left tackle in
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: the NFL.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I I you know, kind of kicked
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: around a couple of comms with him. You know, Brandon
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: Thorne has Bobby Massey. I'm not super familiar with Bobby Massey.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: It goes back a little bit too far from me.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: But you know, like I think all those big tackles.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: You know, he's not quite as big as Trent Brown
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: or Orlando Brown, but I think he's kind of plays
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: this a way, right. I think both those guys are
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: in a similar category. All Right, Don is in Philly.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: What's up.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Don Hey, guys, can you hear me?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: Yes? Go for it.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 8: Okay, got two hypothetical draft questions for you. If first
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 8: one should just be a quick.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: Yes and no.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 8: Second one may be a little more detailed. But let's
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 8: say the Browns do end up getting Kirk Cousins, and
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 8: that may be it might make the more entice to
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 8: take Travis Hunter too. That leaves Abdull Carter still there
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 8: at three. If the Giants don't feel humforable taking Abdull
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 8: Carter doesn't fit the system and they feel it's a
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 8: little too rich for shudor there. Do you think it's
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 8: crazy for the pass to call the Giants and say, hey,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 8: we'll give you two or two third round picks to
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 8: move up one, yes and secure Carter?
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: Because if the Giants you're gonna aren't gonna take them,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: what are you doing. Nobody's gonna pay the quarterback tax
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: to trade up unless they want the quarterback Like, and
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: this is I know it's gonna be us No. But
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: the same thing I've heard people say, like, well, if
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: the Giants aren't, you know, why not trade up to
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: three to get with the Giants to get Travis Hunter?
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Like why why aren't we talking more about the Patriots
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: trading up? Because one or two things is gonna happen.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Either the Giants want Travis Hunter Abdul Carter wherever's on
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: the board and they're not going to trade the pick,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: or two they want the quarterback, in which case there's
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: no need to trade up because then you get the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: guy at four. So yeah, the Patriots would not need
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: to do that. Call the Giants bluff, let him take Carter,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Let somebody else pay an exorbitant price to trade up.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think either player is quite worth that.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: Where do you stand?
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: Agreed? Thanks again? Question?
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're better at that to me?
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, don what do you got?
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 8: Sorry about that?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Guys?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 8: So last one, more realistic option is obviously Carter and
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 8: Hunter being off the board, which leaves us either saying
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 8: we're going still position or we're going to tackle. And
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 8: for this, let's just say they go Campbell. What's a
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 8: better floor for the Patriots if you know your top
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 8: five pick who's supposed to be a tackle is actually
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 8: a great guard for your top five pick that's supposed
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 8: to be a number one wide receiver. Let's say Ted
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 8: ends up being a high end number two.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: That's a good question thanks to the call on So
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: what happens if what's better off guard Will Campbell or
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: wide receiver to Ted?
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: That's the question.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: I would say wide receiver to Ted is a little
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: bit better off, but that's just because wide receivers are
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: inherently more valuable than I think.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: Wide receiver two is probably better usage of the pick.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: But for like you can get wide receivers, I'm not
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: worried about them finding a wide receiver.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: But yeah, guard, besides running back, you know, Garden running
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: back at the two least most valuable in.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: That So Campbell's still a better player in that scenario.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just in terms of value. You know what,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: what would you prefer? I would prefer the wide receiver too.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: I've said it before, and I I there was a
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: question about Tet that I want to get to. So
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: it's a good segue. But I've said it before. You know,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's the worst case scenario that if
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: they were to draft Ted McMillan, even if he doesn't
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: end up being your Jamar Chase, but if he's your
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: T Higgins, you know, you can still get Jamar Chase
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: next offse So talking.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: About him as like a T. Higgins wide receiver too great, Like, yeah,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: that's obviously, that's obviously Like I think more like if
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: he's like a even Jordan Addison's probably a little rich
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: for what I'm trying to say, like a true George Pickens,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: George Pickens even kind of yeah, George Pickens and George
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Pickens versus if Will Campbell is like Quentin Nelson, right,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: who would you rather have George Pickens or Quentin Nelson?
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: Probably Quentin Nelson. But but you're talking about maybe, so
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: maybe that's too rich. But I hear what you're saying, Yeah,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: Joe Toney.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if he's like a wide receiver two, that's
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: a wide receiver two because the team is a really
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: good wide receiver obviously, Yeah, I'm taking him. But if
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: he's yeah, I can't I get like the put this
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: way the kind of wide receiver two that doesn't come
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: to your head right away, because he is a very
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: true wide receiver too. If he's that kind of player,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: If he's Alan Lazard, Yeah, if he's Alan Lazard or
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: you're getting you know, a top five Guarden football, who
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: would you rather have top five guard. Yeah, that's more
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: how I looked at that.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: So the other question that came up about Ted, we
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: had a few emails about this, this video that's gone
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: viral of his of him saying that he doesn't like
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: watching film.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we say it doesn't like watching football.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't like watching football, doesn't like watching film.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: I try not to overreact too much that kind of stuff.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: Each each guy's wired differently, Each guy has a different approach.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: I think I would think that Rabel would prefer the junkie, yes, right,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: the guy that is going to be you know, you
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: call it a Jim Ratt and basketball, you know, the
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: guy that's gonna be here constantly and working and grinding
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: and watching film and studying and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if Ted McMillan is talented enough
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: to not have that element. But at the same time,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not like completely throwing him off the board because.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: Of it either. Yeah, he still said he watches the film,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: needs to watch, right, he just doesn't do it on
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: his own afterwards. Yeah, there's other you know, we see
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: a ton of workout videos for him. Maybe he's more
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: an on field workout guy. Yeah, that probably doesn't play
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: well for Mike Rabel. Yeah, as a whole, it doesn't
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: necessarily change my outside of the quarterback position, like quarterback, center, linebacker,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: maybe corner. It's not as much of a red flag
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: as it maybe initially sounds like if a quarterback said that,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: that's a whole other conversation. That's a massive red flag.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: So like with Ted McMillan too, he has you know,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: Kyler Murray, right, you got it right in the contract
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: that can.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: That's that's or Jameis Winston they gave the blank DVD.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: My my favorite.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: Well, what I like, you know is that it's next
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: level now because of the technology, So players get iPads
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: now and it actually tells screen time, like how long
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: the iPad has been open, you know, so like teams
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: can actually monitor, uh, if the players are doing their homework.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: I'd also say, I get that. You give JaMarcus Russell
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: the DVD, you tell them to come back the next
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: day and tell you what's on it. Yeah, yeah, there's
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: nothing on it because you can open up the iPad
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: and just leave the screen open, right, you could do
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: that and count that's right. He didn't even put that
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: thing in to see what was on there. I would
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: also Marcus Russell.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: Nowadays, they've streamlined the film watching process so much for
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: these players, where especially at those positions where you're one
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: on one with somebody specifically most likely like they could
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: say that, you know, I'm just I'm not saying he
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: doesn't watch film. I'm just using him as an example.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: They could say to Christian Gonzales, you got Jamar Chase
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: this week, So here are all of the cups of
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: Jamar Chase, you know, And it could be they can
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: whittle down four games to thirty minutes so he doesn't
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: have to sit there and watch for five hours. It's
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: a you know, a one hour project instead. So I
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: think there's a lot of ways around that, especially for
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: non quarterbacks. Yeah, Curtis emails in here. I actually think,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: you know, he makes a decent point here. He says that, well,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: I don't disagree with this, but he said that he
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: doesn't want to leave left tackle to just one draft pick,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: like you know, it's Will Campbell and you sit and
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: forget it and you're you're all good. So he's wondering,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: you know, about double dipping at tackle and who are
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: some of the guys that we like later on in
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: the draft double dip. We talked a little bit about that,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: you're Holland Peters guy because he's big.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this, so they're gonna double dip a
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: left tackle specifically. Yeah, I like Hallan Pierce. He's he
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: is a right tackle. He is and if they want
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: to draft him to develop him behind Morgan Moses, I
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: would be all for that. If they want to get
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: another left tackle later. So, like I guess Jacoby was undrafted, right,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: but they Nikhil Harry and they Jacoby Myers, and Jacoby
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: was the one who worked out. Yeah, Carson Vincent Alabama
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: and M four years of starting experience, had a really
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: good Senior Bowl. I think his game translates well. He's
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: very technically skilled, he has the athleticism, he has the size,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: all that he just it's a jumping level and he
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: maybe his ceiling is a little lower because he's an
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: older prospect coming from the FCS. FCS, But if they're
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, all right, we're gonna take well Campbell
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: at the top, we want to add another left tackle
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: in the mix. Carson Vincent Alabama, A and M. That's
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: my guy. Yeah, I like him. He might be able
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: to play some guard too, so he gives you some flexibility. Yeah.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: I liked him as maybe as a left guard, which
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: I thought would would help tackle. I think you could
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: play tackle, but I think you know, he could play either,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: and maybe bring him in and let him compete at.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Both spot and oh yeah, no, I get him in
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: the building, have him do whatever. I think he'd be
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: a good guy to get building.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: I'm still not one hundred percent sold at Anthony Belton
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: is going to go as as high as everybody thinks
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: he is. Yeah, I think he's still a little bit
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: more of a project to me. Another guy that I
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: think there's really the Trent Brown copy. Another guy that
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: I think is probably right tackle. Yeah, but he's uh,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: I just I think he's got some things he's gotta
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: he's gotta work on technique wise, I don't think he's
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: you know, you're gonna draft a guy in the top
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: one hundred, you're probably thinking that he's going to be
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: at least a starter by his second year in the league.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: I I don't know if Anthony Belton will be, you know,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: a starter period. Like I still think there's some boomer
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: bus there, so maybe it's not as deep as you know.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: Vincent's probably more fifth, sixth round, like Belton's probably third,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: fourth round somewhere around there. I mentioned Charles Grant from
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: William Mary. He's probably gonna be a fringe top one
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: hundred guy. Yeah, that will just be about you know,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: level of competition if teams.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: He's kind of day to Carson Vincent. Yeah.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: So you know, just looking at it, like Nick sel
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: Deveri from a couple of years ago, he was an
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: early fourth round pick. I think he might have been
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: the first pick of the fourth round. You know, smaller
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: school guy similar ding, you know, stands out on tape.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Amongst the rest of those guys. There was one other guy, oh,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: Jalen Rivers from Miami. I think that he's probably a guard,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: but he's big, he's got long arms, like, he's got
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: you know, decent feet like I think he's probably a
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: tackle slash guard, you know, like kind of like a
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: Mike on winhu Ish type player. But he might have
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: some potential there as well, you know, mid mid rounds,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: you know, fourth, fifth round, something like that.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: There's nothing we got from Elliot Wolf by the way,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: with Felger that if there was any wonder Michael Won,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: who's the right guard? Oh good, So that's well you
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: never know with him, Like you say that kind of sarcastically.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: But how many times have we thought good Mike on Win,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: who finally has his position and then he changed? Yeah?
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: All right, So this is a question from Curtis, I
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: think is a good way to kind of whittle this
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: down of our takes on these on this class. Okay, so, uh,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: every player is on the board, we're making the pick.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: You're in the GM, you're in the GM chair. Ye,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: give me your top four right now?
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: So like if quarterbacks go one, two, three, basically sure, yep,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: look at that one for the Patriots, just Alex Bark
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: general manager. Oh as a whole, if I'm just setting
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: aboard as a whole, Yeah, Carter Hunter, Genty, Campbell, Okay,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: what if you're the Patriots specifically Campbell Memboo instead of
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Gent Yeah, I feel like I kind of feel the
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: same way I have. And then I probably Tet I
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: think would probably be the fifth guy.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: I thought about that, you know, if it would be
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: Warren or it would it be Tet. You know, I
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: feel like both those guys kind of for different reasons.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: I'm between the two of them.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, I go Tet because he's a little bit younger,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: he has more upside, and just that the value of
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: that wide receiver position honestly might have Jalen Walker up
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: there too.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have Jalen Walker high too. So you know,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: I'm starting to have the spreadsheet every year. Yeah, I
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: should have it out soon ish. I'm starting to come
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: to an end here, thankfully spent like all weekend grinding
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: defensive linemen just to get through it all. And I
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: have right now, I have you know, way I do it,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: you know, different like tiers, like a grade scale. Right,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: And I have three guys that I would consider blue
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: chip prospects in this draft. I looked, you know, made
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: sure I had the accurate number. I had eight last
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: year in that draft. So you know, our two drafts ago,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: I guess you want to call it that. You know,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake may Neighbors, Harrison the Dunees,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: ay All brock Bowers. Eight guys. Yeah, in this draft
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: I have three Hunter Carter Genty, Yeah, Hunter Carter genty
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: And that's it. So I think the fourth spot i'd
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: probably give the Campbell. I think he's probably the fourth best.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: But they're just from a grade in the board, like
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: real grade, there is a drop off.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: They drop off from three to four significantly. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: And I heard Ryan Poles the Bears GM talking about
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: this yesterday at the league meetings and he just said,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: you know, echoed what everybody else is echoing. This is
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: one of those drafts where there's like three premium blue
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: chip players at the top and then from like four
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: to he said, almost all the way to one hundred.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: Like it's it's like all just really solid NFL starting
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: caliber talent, but not not special. Yeah, And it's just
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: one of those types of drafts. And I think, you know,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: just in my process just going through it, it's it's
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: quite a remark, Like I have so many guys that
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: I feel like are like second third round grades, right, Like,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: just like so many and usually you project those guys
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: to be eventual starters in the league, solid NFL starters
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: probably you know, more like complimentary to solid starting type
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: of caliber players. But there's there's a lot of them
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: in this There's probably you know, upwards of seventy five
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: of those guys in this draft, so you know, having
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: those that extra third round pick is nice for the Patriots.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: But I also just mentioned, you know, this is why
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: when we talk about trade downs, like it's just it's
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: not the year where you're gonna get the value right
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: to be trading down because everybody feels the same way
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: about the board. Like everybody feels the same way. So
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: it's tough, all right, But yeah, I think we're together
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: on that. I think, you know, genty Cars and Hunter
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: on their own, and then Campbell is the next best prospect.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: All right, let's go back to the phones here. Mark
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: is in Connecticut. What's up, Mark?
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: Hey, what's going on?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: Guys? How you've been good? Good?
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: We're doing I don't not bad any word on. A
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: buddy of mine was just talking about this that the
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: Browns and the Dallas Cowboys might be talking about a
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: trade of quarterbacks and the number two pick. Didn't know
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: if you guys had heard about that.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that that was shot down.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: Okay, very good.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: The other thing was, what is the realistic possibility if
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: again Abdua Carter and Travis Hunter are off the board,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: that they can move down to eight or nine and
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: pick Penn State tight end. What is the realistic possibility
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: that they can make that happen again a second round pick?
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: If you guys got any intel on that, or is
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: the kind of they're gonna probably have to stick and pick?
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Mark, What do you think? I mean?
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if trying to think of there, I
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: don't know if if Tyler Warren gets to eight or nine, Yeah,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: to begin with, does is a second round pick? Would
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: it costs to move back that far? Maybe I'd like
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: to get a little more than that in that scenario.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: I think the trades more realistic. I don't know that
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: Warren gets to nine.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: Well, we keep talking about the class in the same way,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: and with Warren getting to nine, it's just who's going
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: in between? Right and we know this class doesn't have
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: the blue chip talent like I just so.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: He's ten on the consensus board right now. But that's
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: with both quarterbacks going high. Is he gonna go ahead
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: of Mason Graham? I think that's a coin flip, is he?
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: Or is Mason Graham gonna go ahead of him? I
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: think that's a coin flip. Is Teed McMillan gonna go
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: ahead of him. I think that's a coin flip. They're
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: genty in there too, Like, so that's what four players
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: including Shitter a lot a lot would have to go
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: their way. And it's also so I was thinking about
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: this the other day and I kind of brought up
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: earlier on the show, and let me ask you this, Right, So, okay,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: Hunter and Carter gone, they like Membo and Campbell and
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: they figure, okay, like we can move back and maybe
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: they like you know, Jalen Walker two or genty two
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, it's like, all right, you know, there's
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: three or four players we take here. We will move
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: back a couple of spots and we'll be good, but
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: the offers maybe aren't there. So let's say it's moving
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: back like with the Raiders at six even just two spots, Like,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: at what point if the Raiders off for you a
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: fourth are you doing that for just a fourth round pick?
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: Or at that point are you gonna keep the choice
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: you have and take the guy you really want? You know,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: they'll get an offer, but are you gonna I don't
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: know what the offer is gonna be there that's gonna
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: be worth giving up that choice?
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the only way that you get an
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: offer that is really worth considering in terms of a
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: value for the pick. Yeah, is if Hunter or Abdul
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: Carter falls in your lap and some team offers you
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: a Will Anderson esque package. I'm still in the camp
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: that we might say no to it. But I'm just saying, like,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think the pick is gonna have any value
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: unless that's the scenario that we're talking a right, and
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: so when I hear you know, the two things that
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: I think have frustrated me the most about this because
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: I like to sometimes you know, yeah, have access to
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: crime in this situation. The two things I've heard the
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: most in this draft season that have frustrated me to
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: no end, trade down. Everybody wants to trade down. The
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: whole world wants to trade down. Nobody wants to pick
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: where they're at right now, including maybe the Tennessee Titans.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: Like, literally nobody wants to make the Did you see.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: This one was going around yesterday on Twitter? We should
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: trade back. There's no good value left where my team
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: is drafting. But I'm sure another team would like to
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: give up assets to move up to the same spot.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, we're all at right now.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just there's if we all agree that there's
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: nobody worth taking at four overall. Yeah, if Abdul Carter
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: and Travis Hunter are off the board, the whole league agrees.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: So why would anybody get up adding a set? Now
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: you moved out of nine or ten, you're missing on
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of players that you're probably missing on both tackles,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: you're you're missing. I think you're gonna miss on gent D,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: you might miss on Warren. Like, is a second round
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: pick enough for you to do that? Yeah? No, it's
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: not for me. Just a second round pick. I I
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: don't think for me either. Yeah.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: The other thing that's been annoying drive this entired process, Well,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: you're gonna take a tackle that high? You know, I
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: like him to be you know, Anthony Munos or Orlando
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: Pace or Joe Thomas, and it's like same, Like obviously
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: everybody would like it to be a Hall of Fame
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: caliber tackle. They don't exist in this draft, Like, those
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: guys don't exist. So if you're taking Will Campbell out
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: and you're saying I'm not taking him or I'm not
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: taking Armand Membu because he's not Jonathan Ogden, Right, So
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: I'm taking him out. I mean, I'm gonna draft Teed McMillan. Well,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: Teed McMillan's not Julio Jones, So it's the same thing, right, Like,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: there's no blue chip player outside of those two guys
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: in this draft and genty at four overall to take
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: at tackle, So like, you can't you can't just say, oh, well,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't take a tackle that high unless he's gonna
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: be Jonathan Ogden.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: Well, in this draft, there is no Jonathan. I've said
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: this to you. If and very different players stylistically, Yeah,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: but if Will Campbell or armand Membu becomes Nate Solder, right,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: he's a solid starting left tackle here for ten years,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: Matt Like, fine, excuse me, fine, Matt Light he's here
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: for ten years. Maybe he's not making Pro Bowls, but
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: he's not a guy we're talking about needing to replace. Right,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: If you feel good that he's your left tackle and
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: a great locker room guy, yeah, both are. If you
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: get that guy at four in this draft. This might
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: not apply next year. A not picking up four next year, yeah,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: but in this draft, if you get a guy who
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: plays left tackle here for eight or ten years, set
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: it and forget it, and that's it. I'm good with that.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: I am perfectly fine with that. That is a win
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, And is the is that setting the
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: bar too low? I don't know. Maybe look at this draft,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what you're hoping for. And
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: I'd rather get that at tackle then get that at receiver.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: Whereas you look at next year, there's gonna be guys
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: so ceilings much higher than that. So I just that's
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: where I'm Matt, we're taking. Hey, the Red Sox is
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: sent a Christian Campbell like.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, Joe Thomas, you know, Anthony Munos,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: like he's the names. I Well, if that's the guy
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: that you could draft at four, then you take the tackle.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: It's like, no kidding, Yeah, great, like no kidding, you
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: would take a top five tackle of all time? Is
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: the only way that you're going to take the tackle
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: that high? Well, then this draft you're screwed, Like you
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: there's nobody for you to draft. You're me, You're right,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: you're letting the clock run out on the pick you
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: know a couple of months ago? Right, like great, great plan?
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: Paul here emails in about wingspan. I have a I
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: have a tiny axa grib about this. So he asked,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: you know, talking about Will Campbell the armley discrepancies thirty
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: three versus thirty two and five days from the combine,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: and he asked, why we're not talking about wingspan, and uh,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: you know that his wingspan is a bigger outliar, and
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: why we're not talking about both measurements. So I've actually,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: you know, talked, asked around about the wingspan thing and
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: how much the wingspan thing is is really mattering. And
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: I got to be honest with you, outside of like
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: mock draftable charts where it just looks bad, that is,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: wingspan is like all the way over here in the
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: you know, one percentile or whatever. I don't think a
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: ton of NFL teams of any idea or care about wingspans.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a metric that anybody's really focusing
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: too much on length. And arm length is tangible, right,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: Like you have to have extension, you have to have
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: arm length. You have to be able to you know,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: get out to rushers, you have to like that's a
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: tangible thing of how this could impact the player. We
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: talk about wingspan we're talking about how much room he
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: takes up, like how wide of a body he has.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: How often are you in this position arms out wide
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: as a tackle, Like if you're here, something's gone wrong.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe wingspan would be a little bit more important
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: for a guard. I was gonna say, just because of
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: the bigger bodies that you're taking up right exactly, but
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: at tackle. I just don't think that that. I think
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff and I don't mean to this.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: I'm right with all of you, with all of you,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: with a lot of this stuff though, is like we
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: talk a lot more about this stuff than people that
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: actually make decisions do.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: Was it wingspan or arm length we did with Drake
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: last year where it was like, you don't want the
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks wingspan to be too long because then it's the
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: ball has to travel further in the release, so it's
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: a longer release. We did that with the court. I
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: think it was that with the quarterback last year.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: I remember his wingspan or armlane. He also Drake has
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: smallish hands.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, that honestly, that I thought was
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: going to get more fight than it did. I think
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: at that point everybody just kind of knew he was
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: the pick. Yeah, there's no Kenny Pickett. He was within
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: the range. I bigger hands with Kenny Pickett.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: So Nick in Boston also brings up another point about
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: the tackles and said, you know, if Campbell fails at
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: left tackle, then he has to move inside the guard,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: whereas if Membo fails at left tackle, you can flip
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: him back to right. So at least you're still getting
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: a tackle. I think there's some truth to that. Like,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: that's probably the best Membo argument there is, is that
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: Membu's a tackle.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: I'm also a good player.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, but like besides, you know, bear to Campbell, Okay, yeah,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: he Membu's a tackle. I don't know which side he's
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: a tackle on, but he's a tackle, whereas Campbell, we're
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: not one hundred percent sure that he's a full time tackle.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: He's not a right I'm not moving Campbell to right tackle. No, no, no,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: it's not not No, I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying, like.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: That's he's either he's either a left tackle or a
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: left guard. Yeah, he's one of those two things, whereas
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: Membu is either a right tackle or a left tackle right,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: and so at least he's a tackle. I think that's
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: the best Membo argument.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: Yep, I would agree.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: Now that being said, you did just sign Morgan Moses
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: for three years. He's probably not going to play here
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: for three years at thirty four years old. It's probably
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: gonna be one or two. But is it the worst
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: case in the world. If Membu is the right tackle
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: next year, maybe more move on from Morgan Mogus Moses
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: a little bit quicker, I guess not. But you're still
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: not filling the left tackle hole right, so you're still.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: It's also if Campbell doesn't work out. If you find
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: out early that Campbell's not gonna work out at left tackle,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: he's going to be your starting left guard this year. Yeah,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: if you find out Membu's not gonna work out at
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: left tackle, so jac lath is your fourth round pick,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: not gonna play, or you're just gonna have a bad
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: left tackle all year, fourth round pick, fourth overall pick,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: not gonna play.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean that's it's jac Latham, right. Jacon
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: Latham played left tackle last year. Didn't look great.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope they don't force it. I would hope that,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: you know, protecting Drake, they cut their losses and don't
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: put an incapable player out there.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but so member, it would ride the bench like
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: Morgan most is.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: Gonna start, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so you either
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: have to play a bad left tackle or your fourth
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: overall pick doesn't play right. I don't know that I
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: think those are a great outcome.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: It's not a great outcome. I would say that most
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: teams have to play the bad left.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: Tackle and hope it gets better for seventeen games. You
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: just well you you can't have the fourth overall picks
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: and on the bench all year. Maybe not the franchise
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: quarterback running for his life.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, but he's gonna he's gonna run for his life
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: if it's Venderian Lowe is just as much as he's
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: gonna somebody else.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, is there gonna be fair?
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: All right, let's take this last call and there's a
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: couple more emails we can get to. What's up, sal
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: How are we doing?
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: Guys, how are you good?
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: I'll be quick. I mean, this team uh needs offensive tackles.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: I mean I cannot. I'm a season ticket holder. I
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: do not want to see Drake end up on his
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: back any more. Than he needs to be. But I
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 5: think with McDaniel's step, ball get out of his hands
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: a lot quicker. I thought my hope would be that
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: they can move from the fourth position, assuming that Campbell's
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 5: are is their only option there. I'm not crazy about
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 5: picking him. I would prefer that they move with a candidate.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 5: If they cannot move, I would take Membo. I would
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 5: do whatever I could to get Josh Simmons and send
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: him for a year, for what over time it takes
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: to get him health healthy, and then eventually Memblee can
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: be the right tackle and Simmons could be her left tackle.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: You know the rush about getting receivers, I'm not. I'm
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 5: not keen on receivers in the first round. Some of
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: the best receivers we have all later picked, you know,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: Metcalf and AJ Brown and et cetera. I'll take care
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: of you.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: I'll listen to you guys off the years.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: So thanks for the call. Yeah, I think that sounds
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: not in the minority when it comes to just throw
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: as many things that tackled A Yeah.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: Problem, they can't have a first round pick that doesn't play.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: I'm due on that. I've honestly come around more on
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: Simmons than I was before. I haven't seen the medical
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: That's the big worry for me. It's the medicals. Yeah,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: talented player, but a lot of people I trust don't
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: seem bothered by it. But if the plan is all right,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: we're in draft men but play at left tackle, and
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: then we're also gonna draft Josh Simmons and playment left
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: tackle next year, well and draft somebody else who helps
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: the football team instead of Simmons, and then just draft
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: another tackle next year. If you're drafting Josh Simmons, if
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: you're drafting Josh Simmons with the belief he's gonna play
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: this year, I'm on board. I don't love it. You
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: still need to add another left tackle because you don't
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: know when he's gonna be ready and how he'll look.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: It's a significant injury. But like if if Josh, if
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: the doctors tell you, yeah, he'll be back this year, fine,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: If Josh Simmons isn't going to be back until twenty
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: twenty six, but your logic is just, well, we need tackles,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: so we'll take him now, we'll have him later, get
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: another player that helps you now, and then just take
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: a tackle next year. Yeah. Yeah, so that's that's what
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: They're just not in a great position to be red shirting, right.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: I just I don't want them to red shirt a
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: first round pick.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just not in that spot. And look, just
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: based off of the film, and it was five games,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: and I watched a little bit of twenty twenty three,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: but he's worse than twenty twenty three, you know, based
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: off the five games he played in twenty four, I'd
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: have Josh Simmons is the third best tackle in the draft, right, Yeah, Campbell, Membo,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: Josh Simmons. But there's a very small sample size. Yeah,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: he's coming off a major injury. That is not an
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: easy injury to bounce back fro him with the torn
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: pateelo attendant. And not only is the sample size small,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: it's against bad competition. So he dominated bad competition for
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: five games and then got hurt twenty snaps into the
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: game against Oregon. So A, I don't feel great about
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: red shirting and tackle, But B I also don't feel
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: great about betting a first round pick on five games
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: against Michigan State and Iowa.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: We're talking about the risk that comes with Campbell and
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: his builds in Membu in switching sides, Simmons is bigger
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: risk than either of them, and I don't necessarily think
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: he's not a first round pick. I just think for
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: the position the Patriots are in, if you're if you're
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: worried about Campbell in Membo because you want to mitigate risk,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: well then pivoting that Josh Simmons is the answer. There's
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: still risk there too. Now you got to go to
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: Connolly Nursery. Let another team take the risk with Simmons.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: I don't like the Niners at eleven make all the
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: sense of Niners. Chiefs like teams Niners specifically because he
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: can sit behind Trent Williams with each well Chiefs the.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: Kid from the Niners, Jen Jalen Moore. Right, Oh yeah,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: so they have him on a two year cond, Like
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: it makes a lot of sense for contenders like teams
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: like that that I can afford. You know, I don't know,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: for example, you know, I think Simmons is probably left tackle,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: but he could probably play either side, like in Philly.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: You know, how much longer is Lane Johnson going to
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: play for?
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: Right, Like and if Philly takes you know, kind of
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: like what the Patriots did with Matt Lytton Nate Solder,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: like they take Josh Simmons and they let him recuperate
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: and whatever, they have one more great year out Elane Johnson.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: Lane Johnson's been talking about retirement on and off, like
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: maybe that's the route that they go. So I'm with
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: you with Josh Simmons. If he had put together, if
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: he was healthy and he put together an entire season
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: and he was Ohio State's left tackle through the National
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: Championship game and played at the level that he played at,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: I think we would be talking about him at four
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: overall but.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: He but he didn't, So you can't. He didn't. We
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: don't live in the expected world, live in reality.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: One last thing here. I know you only have a
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: couple more minutes, but.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: Well we have another thing we have to get to
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: too after the emails real quick.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, this can wait till next show, So let's let's
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: get to your last thing.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: So I kind of gave everybody a little teaser after
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: the show last week because we were talking about running
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: back about this.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: We hyped this up a lot and it's not. It's
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: not gonna live love.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: We got off the air and we were still talking
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: about because we ended the show last week talking about
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: the running backs, and we Evan kind of sarcastically gave
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: a comp for Cam Scattabo that I actually think is
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: an unbelievable comp and it's truly Ever meant it kind
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: of as a slight and I think it's not just
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: it's complimentary. So and I gave you the option either
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: tweeted out or explained it on the show.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I wanted to explain it on the show
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: because obviously this player played a different position, so it
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: doesn't like make total sense, right, But I was trying
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: to think of a awesome college player that just is
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: an awesome college player but not a great pro right like,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: and like just one of those guys that just dominated
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: college football. And there's plenty of them, right, There's plenty
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: of other examples besides this guy, but the guy that
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: I came Wait, so you were talking about the running
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: backs as a whole. You said, what are the odds
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: one of these running backs is this player? And again
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: you meant it in terms of career arc but Scott
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: was Scatterbo.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: Or somebody else? You said, what are the odds scatter
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: Bow or was it just Scatterbo. I thought, there's somebody else,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: there is this player who is Tim Tebow, right, So
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: I took that to mean, well, if Tim Tebow had
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: actually moved her running back like he should have, that
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: is kind of how runs the football. I know it's not,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: but it's kind of perfect between bigger Tbo's bigger, but
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: the running style, the mentality, right, the whole Tim Tebow
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes for the rest of our lives. Camp Scatabo
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: throwing up on the sideline and the Peach Bowl and
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: the Cotton Bowl or whatever it was like the it
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: kind of works. If Tim Tebow had actually played running back, Yeah,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: I think he'd kind of be like a taller Cam
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: Scatabo stylistically, I do think. And Cam Scattabo, by the way,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: did play some quarterback at Sacramento State, so he is
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: a wildcat threat. So I actually think in the Peach Bowl,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's a really you it in a very
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: different way the way I chose to take it. It's
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: actually kind of spot on.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: So I meant it in terms of career arc right, Yeah,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: Tim Tebow one of the best college football players of
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: all time, but was not NFL caliber as a quarterback,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: especially right just wasn't a good NFL player. And my
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: fear with a guy like Scatabow is that the Peach
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: Bowl against Texas, which is maybe the single best tape
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: of any player in this draft. By the way, I
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: mean that he threw, he had like three hundred yards
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: of offense, like he literally like they were down multiple
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: touchdowns in the second half, and this guy put the team.
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  Speaker 1: On at Travis Hunter, I would say, there but.
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  Speaker 3: A rushing, receiving, and passing touchdown all in the same game.
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  Speaker 3: Like he was unbelievable. But is there a very good
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  Speaker 3: chance that the Peach Bowl against Texas is Cam Scattaboy's
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: best football game he ever plays, and it's all downhill
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  Speaker 3: from here. Yeah, Like that's definitely a possibility. And I
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: look at him, I look at his playing style. I
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: look at you know, I don't think he's a great athlete.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think he's a kind of an effort player.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's a great athlete, not fast, because he
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: great contact balance, low center of gravity bowling ball to
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  Speaker 3: catch the ball.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he's not athletic. He's just there's a difference.
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  Speaker 1: So he's not fast he's also like his ability to cut,
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  Speaker 1: like he just got a good spin move, and also
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  Speaker 1: who drafted Tim Tebow? Josh McDaniel's right, but that's all
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  Speaker 1: I was. I thought it was how he meant it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care how you like obviously for example like that,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: you know, like Johnny Manzil flamed out for other reasons,
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  Speaker 3: probably along with the football, but like he also wasn't
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  Speaker 3: that good at football.
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  Speaker 1: I mean last year it kind of like Sam Donald
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  Speaker 1: was gonna be that guy. Sam Donald got drafted off
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: for that Rose Bowl game, Yeah, and would not have
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  Speaker 1: gone that high without that Rose Bull Warwick.
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  Speaker 3: There was the receiver war Yeah something.
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  Speaker 1: We're we're going way back back, like yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's like always like we're young okay, ye spoiler. Honestly,
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  Speaker 3: that's always like the Olds like that they that's.
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  Speaker 1: Their guy, like that other one. And he had a
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: decent NFL career, but I always felt had like one
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: play that he made that elevated him. David Clowney, Yeah,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: like he had everybody. Peter work is the guy. He
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: had an unbelievable play. Yeah, and it's a great play.
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  Speaker 1: If people put a little too much on that one
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: play when they talked about Ja David Clowney as like
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  Speaker 1: he was a fine pro. Yeah. It was his second
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: overall pick, first, second overall pick, first overall pick. First
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: he was. That was the Reggie Bush. Yeah, yeah, Reggie Bush.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: Or was that Mario Williams.
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  Speaker 3: That was Mario Williams. But Jadavin Clowney went number one overall.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like he was fine. It was a
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: first overall pick. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, Peter Work is like the the one I
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: think from like the nineties, like if you want to
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: go that direction.
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  Speaker 1: State right, Yeah, Yeah, that is who I was.
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  Speaker 3: That was kind of what I was getting at, right,
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  Speaker 3: like just a really awesome college player that just doesn't
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: live up to it in the NFL.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: And I worry about that a little bit. With Scataboo,
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: I do all right. Fournette, sure, leon for Nett was
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: a good pro. It took him a while, yeah, to
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: get at Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 3: It might have been more jackson Yeah, Leonard Fournette was
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  Speaker 1: We got three more for yeah, just a couple more.
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  Speaker 1: Well we went. We're talking to the offensive and defensive
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  Speaker 1: do the pre draft presser I think the fifteenth, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: something like that that Wednesday. So we got a lot
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  Speaker 3: We got a lot to do. So we'll be back
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